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Re: Transfers and Rumours - 2013 (part I)
« Reply #10 on: January 01, 2013, 04:33:23 PM »

Another step of bashing Tare here.

Right - our management is not the best, but I'm not believing every comment of someone outside of the club who says that he wanted to transfer players to us in the past.

Salvio 2mill. costs. Sold for 13,5 mill.

Well....I remember Kolarov and Lichtsteiner.... :beer:

About Verratti.....no other club than Juve could have signed him instead of PSG.

And now blaming Lotito or Tare because of not bringing Verratti...when was Verratti offered to Lazio?....And for how much money?
Maybe as a 15 year old one for about 6 mill.....??!!

The whole Verratti saga in the summer is completely out of reality for a normal club without money...
and for sure - this player was out of reality for us some years ago too, because too many big clubs had already seen this guy playing.

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Re: Transfers and Rumours - 2013 (part I)
« Reply #11 on: January 01, 2013, 04:52:37 PM »

He means when Verratti was young and playing at Pescara, not this summer when everyone had noticed him. By then, it's too late.

Kolarov?? Tare was still playing when Kolarov was signed.

The only 'gem' Tare has found is Lulic. I will pay him that because when we sell Lulic it will be at a tidy profit.

No opinions on Tare rejecting players because their game isn't built around hard work and hard running? That was the most interesting thing of the interview for me.
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Re: Transfers and Rumours - 2013 (part I)
« Reply #12 on: January 01, 2013, 04:55:42 PM »

What everyone keeps forgetting is that all top division clubs are " offered " players on pretty much a daily basis by agents, lower ranked football clubs, families of the football player and even fans who send in youtube clips of youngsters they believe in.

Based on statistics, it's no wonder some of the players Tare will have said no to in his time here will have turned out to be players he should have accepted.

And what agenda does that agent have, that he comes out in the public and trashtalks Lazio/Tare?

To avoid any confusion, I am not a Tare fanboy, I have critized him for a lot of his " work " over the years, but sometimes you also need to not jump on the bandwagon right away


There is no agenda. Llsn did a story on Lazio's relationship with the Argentine market and why we have moved away. The agent specialises in that area and was involved in bringing players like Zarate and Muslera (if I'm not mistaken) to Lazio.

It wasn't an anti Lazio or anti Tare interview.
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Re: Transfers and Rumours - 2013 (part I)
« Reply #13 on: January 01, 2013, 04:58:42 PM »

Its not choosing between one or the other that is at stake. Its not realising the potential of a guy like Verratti, not realising what kind of money can be made on Salvio or Hulk, that shows the impotence and incompetence.

Verratti I would choose ahead of all of thos players, if we would be comparing...


Well then from this point of view, one could argue then by signing Hernanes, Marchetti, Klose, Lulic, Petkovic et al  and also a solid Ciani he has shown potence and competence.


We can`t go sing any player people suggest us. No club in the world operates that way.
Sometimes one makes a mistake, a miss judgement.

So far though, I am more than satisfied with our team.

About Veratti, he is yet to develop into what is exected of him so I don`t know what`s all the fuss about him.
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Re: Transfers and Rumours - 2013 (part I)
« Reply #14 on: January 01, 2013, 05:35:31 PM »

Verratti is a million miles away from being a great player. I prefer Onazi - he has the maturity that Verratti does not at present and therefore is a safer bet for the future. That said, Verratti should eclipse him but it's not always about talent.

In my opinion, Tare recognises this. Scouts look for pure talent, Tare is looking for professionals. Combining the two, you unearth great players. I am only a casual fan, but I look for composure in young players. That's what Nesta had that no other youth product we've produced has had since. That's why I wrote Macheda, LDS and Ceccarelli off. I think Tare has a similar mindset being a poor footballer who made it with hard work and a brain.
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Re: Transfers and Rumours - 2013 (part I)
« Reply #15 on: January 01, 2013, 05:51:01 PM »

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Tempo fa segnalai ad esempio l’argentino Salvio a Lotito, poi quando giocò con l’Atletico Madrid contro la Lazio fece partite straordinarie. E Lotito mi disse: “Ma questo era quello che mi avevi segnalato due anni fa?!”. Giocava nel Lanus, l’aveva venduto per 2 milioni, poi Lotito mi fece: “Perché non me l’avevi detto che era così forte?”. Tare in quell’occasione disse che Salvio non valeva niente. Inviai anche fax per Hulk e Verratti tempo fa, venendo ignorato. Oggi c’è anche Leandro Diaz, attaccante di 20 anni del Lanus, un buon giocatore”.

The words of Jose' Alberti, FIFA agent and talent scout who has worked with numerous Italian clubs including Lazio.

He says he has, in the past, recommended various young talents to Lazio and been ignored: Hulk and Verratti for instance.

He says in 2009 he told Lotito to sign Eduardo Salvio from Lanus. Our genius Tare told Lotito that Salvio was worth nothing. Then after he put in fantastic performances against us in the EL, Lotito asked Alberti: "is this that kid you told me to sign two years ago??"

For the uninitiated, Atletico signed the "worthless" Salvio from Lanus for 2m euro in 2010. They have just sold him to Benfica for 13.5 million euro.

We love you Tare, we do. Oh Tare, we love you.

Zingaro.

Laziale, you can say whatever you want about Tare as a sport director, absolutly no problems.
But calling him a zingaro when he is not a zingaro is wrong and I tell you as a "friend" beacuse we cheer for the same team, do not call him a zingaro. Beacuse he is Albanian and I'am albanian also so that's just....stop!

Avanti!
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Re: Transfers and Rumours - 2013 (part I)
« Reply #16 on: January 01, 2013, 07:43:10 PM »

Latest rumors.

-We are being linked with couple of midfielders/wingers: Romain Alessandrini(born 89) of Rennes and Jiloan Hamad(born 90) of Malmo FF.
-Lampard is 'offered' to Inter.
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Re: Transfers and Rumours - 2013 (part I)
« Reply #17 on: January 01, 2013, 08:55:15 PM »

He means when Verratti was young and playing at Pescara, not this summer when everyone had noticed him. By then, it's too late.

Kolarov?? Tare was still playing when Kolarov was signed.

The only 'gem' Tare has found is Lulic. I will pay him that because when we sell Lulic it will be at a tidy profit.

No opinions on Tare rejecting players because their game isn't built around hard work and hard running? That was the most interesting thing of the interview for me.

Bullshit. It is easy to say now that some agent saw in veratti a talent and tare no....tare is offered 20-30 players a day and we need to select one-two to buy each 6 months...make a list with how many future talents were offered and refused by tare and failed later to compare...yes we mis one two great players...is normal...ronaldo was rejected by barca and real at 17 and nobody blames them now...
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Re: Transfers and Rumours - 2013 (part I)
« Reply #18 on: January 01, 2013, 10:56:58 PM »

@Caput Mundi
Who employed Tare? As far as I'm concerned, Lotito is as responsible as Tare in every deal and every move as Lotito hired him and Lotito hangs on to him.

Furthermore, the fact Tare doesn't like players with flair is just confirming what I think many of us have been thinking for a while. And what is it people keep asking for? A player with some magig. A player with feet. Creativity. Creativity. Creativity. Well, you don't get that kind of creativity from Candrevas, Tatas and Brocchis. There is only one way to get about this and that is by spotting the talent and making the most out of it. When did we have a player with quality AND flair last?

@Amir
I have never been of the kind that bashes Tare for everything and anything he does and there is no doubt he has made a few good moves when with us. However, I think Jose Alberti interview stated and shows exactly what many fear: Tare has little feeling for football in the sense that he can be a good DS. If you cannot differ between Verratti and any random guy that is being proposed, well then you are incompetent. That's at least how I see it. If Salvio was offered for 2 mil, declined as nothing to have, and then he comes around and shows his value against US, you have to agree that its a mistake and a sign of weakness in a DS. Had it been one example it hadn't been an issue, but there are many examples of this...

I don't care what is being argued when it comes to Verratti. I bloody knew about this guy and his quality before the price tag was set at 10+. People spotted him when he was still very very young. IF it is true we had the chance to sign him before he made the head lines and we chose not to, I would call that the mistake of the decade. Verratti is a brilliant player and if he can handle the PSG pressure at this young age he will become world class.
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Re: Transfers and Rumours - 2013 (part I)
« Reply #19 on: January 01, 2013, 11:36:01 PM »

I don't care what is being argued when it comes to Verratti. I bloody knew about this guy and his quality before the price tag was set at 10+. People spotted him when he was still very very young. IF it is true we had the chance to sign him before he made the head lines and we chose not to, I would call that the mistake of the decade. Verratti is a brilliant player and if he can handle the PSG pressure at this young age he will become world class.

Verratti was noted by most DS in Italy at 15. Every single DS in Italy knew about him at 15. Tare wasn't in the job when Verratti first went mainstream. And no club in the Italian football system took the punt.

Obviously, they have their reasons. Firstly, he is diminutive beyond diminutive and you have to look at him and ask if he will ever cut it at the top level. He is so small. Funnily enough, that'll also explain why many clubs have avoided Cirigliano and probably why we have as well.

Secondly, is he even that good? In the Champions League, he has impressed but in Ligue 1, many experts don't think he's cutting it. He is a week younger than El Sharaawy who, albeit a different player, would be regarded as a better player by almost anyone.

Tare is looking at hard workers for a good reason. If, at 18, a player is a hard worker, then he can only improve immensely. If, however, a player is top scorer in Argentina when he is 18, there is no guarantee that he is going to turn into a world class individual. We know this better than any other club since we own that player and cannot get rid of him. Tare has his reasons - good reasons - but that's not to say that gambles shouldn't be taken every once in a blue moon.
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