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Title: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on August 04, 2010, 06:57:00 PM
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Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: hamid on August 10, 2010, 10:21:50 AM
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I think those three dots are saying too much about this man!  :vcool:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Jofo on August 10, 2010, 10:26:15 AM
Vattene  :bravo:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Mr.Andersson on August 10, 2010, 10:37:02 AM
Vattene  :bravo:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: mihajlovic010 on August 10, 2010, 03:46:22 PM
He did solid job this summer so I'm not so pissed at him at the moment. :) But anyway, he's not the best solution for us...
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: drake1900 on August 10, 2010, 05:33:36 PM
Does he really needs a topic? :um_face:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Giolazio on August 10, 2010, 06:58:23 PM
Does he really needs a topic? :um_face:

He was the most discussed person in the old forum, so I'm guessing he does!  :razz:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: William on August 10, 2010, 09:52:56 PM
New house... same old sh1t!  :roll_eyes:

Lotito being the sh1t of course.  :mad:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: SSL.Galles on August 11, 2010, 12:08:43 AM
I hope there will be a day when we can move him to the history section of Lazioland


If there`s one thing I can say for him,he`s got thick skin or pure arrogance not sure which
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Eka_Baron on August 11, 2010, 12:18:16 AM
He did solid job this summer so I'm not so pissed at him at the moment. :) 

im sorry sir,but i think we are lucky because we sell kolarov and get enough money this summer.
we are getting bresciano who are free,and garrido who are just swap deal because city has 3 DL if garrido doesn' leave.
 :vcool:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Nesta_Jr on August 11, 2010, 12:25:46 AM
New house... same old sh1t!  :roll_eyes:

Lotito being the sh1t of course.  :mad:

+1
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Nickx13 on August 11, 2010, 06:23:20 PM
Vattene.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Skenderbeu on August 12, 2010, 02:03:04 AM
Vattene.

Per sempre! :D
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: drake1900 on August 12, 2010, 08:42:24 PM
Again does this man really deserves a topic?the only things that will be writen here will be bad things.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: SSL.Galles on August 12, 2010, 11:10:20 PM
Well his Mum thinks he`s a very nice man
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Biancocelesti on August 13, 2010, 12:22:45 AM
Again does this man really deserves a topic?the only things that will be writen here will be bad things.

Sometimes we need to express our anger, this topic is perfect for those occasions. :)
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: hamid on August 13, 2010, 04:03:51 AM
Again does this man really deserves a topic?the only things that will be writen here will be bad things.

we can write even worse things if there's a topic dedicated to Tare!   :razz:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Addicted2lazio on August 13, 2010, 04:33:17 AM
Again does this man really deserves a topic?the only things that will be writen here will be bad things.

Sometimes we need to express our anger, this topic is perfect for those occasions. :)

Not my favorite man, but agree.. be need to express a lot of anger
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: conceicao14 on August 13, 2010, 12:20:32 PM
I think lotito is a moron. We all know this. I think he has learnt a small lesson last season on how to get the paying public back into the stadiums so that they can generate better sales than before. He came in around 2004 and slashed all their spending. Lotito thought that it was simple money management changes that will bring the club back to profit as when he took over, lazio had turnovers in excess of 90m-120m per annum. Little did he realise that without good players, the public have nothing to watch but a team of mediocre players.

Well last season he bought Zarate for 20m+ and the season before this we had won copa italia with zarate who was season loaned. He put two and two things together and realised that things work this way in football. When we won the copa italia, the fans started to buy season tickets. We were probably placed 3rd best season ticket sales. I cannot remember exactly.

Well, so Lotito has decided to sell Kolarov and with some of the money, buy Hernanes. Plus I am sure we had made a good turnover last season with tight wage bill, there is some extra money left in the coffers.

Well the future is looking blue but there is a small red stain. That is Lotito. He needs to go public and say that he has made some mistakes and has learnt and hopes to move lazio forward. We will never see this for sure.

Well I started to go off one. But the main point I actually came in here was to say that Lotito must be pissing himself scared as when he unvieled the lazio squad to the fans, only 5000 fans came to see this. Kinda scary dont you think for lotito? He has alienated the fans for sure.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Eka_Baron on August 13, 2010, 01:06:02 PM
I think lotito is a moron.

yep,  :beer:
thats rally describe what lotito is. . . .
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cash on August 15, 2010, 03:19:17 AM
...Pezzo Di Merda!
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Nesta_Jr on August 15, 2010, 04:41:29 AM
...Pezzo Di Merda!

..uomo di MERDA!
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Eka_Baron on August 15, 2010, 08:21:42 PM
...Pezzo Di Merda!

yep  :bravo:

Lotito Vattene!


..uomo di MERDA!

 :beer:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Nando87 on August 17, 2010, 01:03:36 AM
lets give him credit for once...we've had a great offseason and the signing of hernanes gives him some slack for the year.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: SSL.Galles on August 17, 2010, 07:34:12 AM
lets give him credit for once..


:what: 

You`ve more chance of growing a third armpit

Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Danish-Laziofan on August 17, 2010, 11:53:19 AM
lets give him credit for once...we've had a great offseason and the signing of hernanes gives him some slack for the year.

He hasn't renewed Ledesma's contract yet, and if he doesn't then I don't beleive he's had such a great market...
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Amir on August 17, 2010, 12:00:00 PM
@ Danish, it is now up to Ledesma to accept the offer or not!

With the new contract, Ledesma will be the third earner with the club with only Zarate and Hernanes earning more!
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Biancocelesti on August 17, 2010, 12:07:00 PM
@ Danish, it is now up to Ledesma to accept the offer or not!

With the new contract, Ledesma will be the third earner with the club with only Zarate and Hernanes earning more!

But it's the same offer that was made last summer. There's still a difference of 300k that is keeping him from renewing. Players like Cruz came out of nowhere and barely played any games and he was earning €1.6M, that is 100k more than what is offered to Ledesma.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Danish-Laziofan on August 17, 2010, 12:09:23 PM
@ Danish, it is now up to Ledesma to accept the offer or not!

With the new contract, Ledesma will be the third earner with the club with only Zarate and Hernanes earning more!

Yes, that's right. That's the situation now. But lotito made a grave mistake by not extending it 1-2 years ago. It's not like he suddenly became one of the most valuable players these last months, he's always been it (although he has been criticized more before).
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: hamid on August 17, 2010, 02:04:14 PM
@ Danish, it is now up to Ledesma to accept the offer or not!

With the new contract, Ledesma will be the third earner with the club with only Zarate and Hernanes earning more!

But it's the same offer that was made last summer. There's still a difference of 300k that is keeping him from renewing. Players like Cruz came out of nowhere and barely played any games and he was earning €1.6M, that is 100k more than what is offered to Ledesma.

I agree that he was sh*t, but he didnt come from nowhere... he was a respectful player of Inter!
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Kris on August 17, 2010, 02:52:51 PM
@ Danish, it is now up to Ledesma to accept the offer or not!

With the new contract, Ledesma will be the third earner with the club with only Zarate and Hernanes earning more!

But it's the same offer that was made last summer. There's still a difference of 300k that is keeping him from renewing. Players like Cruz came out of nowhere and barely played any games and he was earning €1.6M, that is 100k more than what is offered to Ledesma.

I agree that he was sh*t, but he didnt come from nowhere... he was a respectful player of Inter!

I think what Biancocelesti meant when he wrote "came out of nowhere" was that the signing was out of the blue & he was well past his best when he came to us, which made that mega salary all the more stranger. At least, thats how i took it. & i agree.

I dont think he was questioning Cruz' ability as a footballer during his halcyon days.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: EL MATADOR on August 24, 2010, 03:59:37 AM
Thankyou Lotito for a great transfer campaign so far. If we swap Cribari for Barzagli and get Santa Cruz on loan with an option, I will be over the moon. Well actually I already am after Ledesma has re-signed with us =D
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: lazionale on August 24, 2010, 07:44:16 AM
Thankyou Lotito for a great transfer campaign so far. If we swap Cribari for Barzagli and get Santa Cruz on loan with an option, I will be over the moon. Well actually I already am after Ledesma has re-signed with us =D

Please !!!!!!!!!! I think that  we need to thank Lotito only when Lazio will be fighting for the first place of Serie A as he promised when he first took Lazio.... until then Good job is more than enouph
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: jannilazio on August 24, 2010, 08:12:03 AM
i agree with you lazionale he deserves credit for this transfer market i'm not a lotito fan but thanks for hernanes and keeping ledesma here   :stendvl: forza lazio
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Bobbi on August 24, 2010, 12:07:25 PM
Lotito and Tare have done a top job by signing Hernanes, and resigning Ledesma as well. They deserve credit for those two deals IMO.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Amir on August 24, 2010, 12:49:44 PM
Lotito and Tare have done a top job by signing Hernanes, and resigning Ledesma as well. They deserve credit for those two deals IMO.

...and also for signing some useful players like Mark Bresciano and Alvaro Gonzales for little money!
...and also for managing to release 12 players so far who were a dead weight on the club.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Kris on August 24, 2010, 01:56:50 PM
1 hot day dosnt make a summer. I still hate him.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cash on August 24, 2010, 08:40:30 PM
1 hot day dosnt make a summer. I still hate him.

 :bravo:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Nesta_Jr on August 24, 2010, 09:09:48 PM
I'd like to think a lot of this good mercato is because of Reja and the pressure he put on Lotito etc.

Still LOTITO VATTENE!
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Mr.Andersson on August 24, 2010, 09:19:24 PM
1 hot day dosnt make a summer. I still hate him.

 :bravo:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Eka_Baron on August 28, 2010, 09:02:05 PM

Still LOTITO VATTENE!

:beer:    :bravo:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Petter on August 28, 2010, 10:43:38 PM
1 hot day dosnt make a summer. I still hate him.

 :bravo:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: SSL.Galles on August 28, 2010, 11:01:59 PM
   we need to thank Lotito only when Lazio will be fighting for the first place of Serie A as he promised when he first took Lazio

I don`t remember him saying that. I dislike Lotty just as much as everyone else but he said he`d been flogged a dead horse.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: LazioSS on August 29, 2010, 07:56:34 AM
I think the pandev issue was a good lesson for Lotito!!!!
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: LazioS70 on September 03, 2010, 10:43:26 PM
Lotito Vattene!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: lazionale on September 05, 2010, 12:20:16 AM
Lotito Dance (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YostE4hoqPY#)
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Sile on February 20, 2011, 06:42:23 PM
Resurrection of our favorite topic!!!

Actually, I've been following Lotito's statements and behavior lately, and to me he seems changed.
Today he accused Sky of mistreating Lazio and portraying a bad image of the club ever since the Kozak the Barbarian show at San Siro, and he want's fair treatment for la Lazio.
Second, after being provoked by a question about Hernanes' price tag this summer he got pissed and said Hernanes will not be for sale and "we'll see who's gonna be laughing when the financial fair play comes to life in SerieA", adding how we are financially well doing and how we spend much much less than all others.

But he isn't acting like the "moralizzatore" anymore, he's kinda... different. Maybe I misinterpreted the articles but that's what I'm getting lately.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Ermetico on February 21, 2011, 12:31:16 AM
Resurrection of our favorite topic!!!

Actually, I've been following Lotito's statements and behavior lately, and to me he seems changed.
Today he accused Sky of mistreating Lazio and portraying a bad image of the club ever since the Kozak the Barbarian show at San Siro, and he want's fair treatment for la Lazio.
Second, after being provoked by a question about Hernanes' price tag this summer he got pissed and said Hernanes will not be for sale and "we'll see who's gonna be laughing when the financial fair play comes to life in SerieA", adding how we are financially well doing and how we spend much much less than all others.

But he isn't acting like the "moralizzatore" anymore, he's kinda... different. Maybe I misinterpreted the articles but that's what I'm getting lately.
Yes he did. I have no idea on what he changed or what seems to be.
I can only confirm what you said: Today he did the Presidente against those shitty media.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: danuel on February 21, 2011, 02:54:46 AM
Resurrection of our favorite topic!!!

Actually, I've been following Lotito's statements and behavior lately, and to me he seems changed.
Today he accused Sky of mistreating Lazio and portraying a bad image of the club ever since the Kozak the Barbarian show at San Siro, and he want's fair treatment for la Lazio.
Second, after being provoked by a question about Hernanes' price tag this summer he got pissed and said Hernanes will not be for sale and "we'll see who's gonna be laughing when the financial fair play comes to life in SerieA", adding how we are financially well doing and how we spend much much less than all others.

But he isn't acting like the "moralizzatore" anymore, he's kinda... different. Maybe I misinterpreted the articles but that's what I'm getting lately.

Things seem to be going well at the moment, I'm just waiting for Lotito to come out and brag how he single handedly returned us to glory if we manage to finish in the top four. I'm really looking forward to this financial fair play model coming in, it will be perfect for someone as fiscally tight/resposible as Lotito. Its also set up for big clubs like us to concerntrate on developing our youth players which seems to be a Lotito area of focus this past year, especially with the success of Kozak.

If we do manage to make Europe next season, we will see how much Lotito has really changed. Will he claim the sqaud is fine as it is and let us struggle in three competitions due to lack of depth like the last two times we have been in europe? Or will he finally invest wisely and reinforce. Time will tell but for now we need to keep on picking up points.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Roman_Eagle on February 21, 2011, 08:32:34 AM
probably he just caught  a very known illness known as lazialita  :supsmile:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Ermetico on February 21, 2011, 09:12:37 AM
Is'nt a ilness....
Is a FEVER! :vcool:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Sile on February 21, 2011, 11:40:25 AM
Things seem to be going well at the moment, I'm just waiting for Lotito to come out and brag how he single handedly returned us to glory if we manage to finish in the top four. I'm really looking forward to this financial fair play model coming in, it will be perfect for someone as fiscally tight/resposible as Lotito. Its also set up for big clubs like us to concerntrate on developing our youth players which seems to be a Lotito area of focus this past year, especially with the success of Kozak.

If we do manage to make Europe next season, we will see how much Lotito has really changed. Will he claim the sqaud is fine as it is and let us struggle in three competitions due to lack of depth like the last two times we have been in europe? Or will he finally invest wisely and reinforce. Time will tell but for now we need to keep on picking up points.

I agree of course and we should wait and see, I'm not making any definite judgments yet, but the "old" Lotito wouldn't pass the opportunity to rejoice after hearing that the Pandev case will be re-investigated because of irregularities in Inter's approach, for instance.

At the moment, he's using his position and the media time he gets to promote and speak on behalf of Lazio, not himself and his mastermind planning etc. Long may it last!
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Roman_Eagle on February 21, 2011, 12:33:21 PM
Is'nt a ilness....
Is a FEVER! :vcool:

Dr. Ermetico, the illness' symptom is a fever  :supsmile:

P.S. so happy for the pandev case
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on February 21, 2011, 01:00:16 PM
I'll probably get killed for this but I think what has changed most is that he is on the brink of declaring victory in his war against pretty much everyone. Not that I agree with how he waged it, but this club is very much now in the image of what he wanted.

I wish our players all the best, when I sit down with friends, I like to see Pandev do well but I also take absolute pleasure in waching us sit ahead of his club playing the likes of Kozak while Goran rots on the bench in Milan. Why would Lotito say anything regarding this, I am sure he is enjoying the moment (shortlived though it may be) too? Goran is old news. I said it at the time, it was an injustice that Pandev won that court case after all his lies (and the fact there are "irregularities" alone proves that). I think Lotito would rather that plays out.

The true test will be in the wake of any reaction from the fans...
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Sile on February 21, 2011, 09:05:18 PM
http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/lazio/?action=read&idnet=bGFsYXppb3NpYW1vbm9pLml0LTE3NDg3 (http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/lazio/?action=read&idnet=bGFsYXppb3NpYW1vbm9pLml0LTE3NDg3)

Extensive interview with Lotito here. Some of the points he's making are valid, some are dubious and some will ignite the spark of war with the fans once again.
I want to believe that the only thing separating us from the new stadium is a clearance from the administration and 3 years of construction.
I want to believe that the debt is going to be paid off in the near future.
I want to believe that what was started with arrivals of Zarate and Hernanes will be continued this summer and the summer after that etc.
Unfortunately I'm not that naive anymore, but I am hoping.

What I found most interesting, is that he mentions us having "Prima squadra della Capitale" inscribed on our shirts next season as part of the marketing strategy!! That would be sweet!!
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Conn on February 21, 2011, 10:33:25 PM
I'll probably get killed for this but I think what has changed most is that he is on the brink of declaring victory in his war against pretty much everyone. Not that I agree with how he waged it, but this club is very much now in the image of what he wanted.


Which victory?

The team - Lazio is doing a great season, it's true, and let's hope we manage to get a CL spot. But this season we are not winning anything, nor the scudetto, nor the coppa italia, nor a european cup. Actually, we are not even fighting for any of that.

The fans - The Olimpico looks like the desert, even with the team being so high in the table. The fans are divided, against each other, not as one anymore. Olimpia is not what the fans primarily need.

The Irriducibili - Complete victory against them, true. But the end of the story, about what really happened and was the role of lotito is yet to come.

The stadium - This could soon turn into a victory (if Berlusconi holds), but just for lotito, not for the fans. For the fans, it could be instead a defeat.

The youth teams - Are we winning something with our youth teams?

The financial "fair play" - I remember lotito most recurrent statement in his first years was "it's not always the one who spends more the one who wins". Pity that facts proved him wrong. So lately he changed his thesis to "let's wait for the rules to change: then we will win". So, let's wait.

Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ForzaLazio on February 22, 2011, 09:50:18 AM



The Irriducibili - Complete victory against them, true. But the end of the story, about what really happened and was the role of lotito is yet to come.

[/quote]

Does it mean Irr is no more/will not come back again???
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Conn on February 22, 2011, 10:10:54 PM

Does it mean Irr is no more/will not come back again???

Exactly, IRRIDUCIBILI belongs to the past now.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: William on February 23, 2011, 09:51:01 PM
Last time I was in Rome, May last year, I happily chanted with the rest of the fans "lotito lotito... VAFFANCULO VAFFANCULO".

My views haven't changed!!!
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on February 23, 2011, 10:05:16 PM
I'll probably get killed for this but I think what has changed most is that he is on the brink of declaring victory in his war against pretty much everyone. Not that I agree with how he waged it, but this club is very much now in the image of what he wanted.


Which victory?

The team - Lazio is doing a great season, it's true, and let's hope we manage to get a CL spot. But this season we are not winning anything, nor the scudetto, nor the coppa italia, nor a european cup. Actually, we are not even fighting for any of that.

The fans - The Olimpico looks like the desert, even with the team being so high in the table. The fans are divided, against each other, not as one anymore. Olimpia is not what the fans primarily need.

The Irriducibili - Complete victory against them, true. But the end of the story, about what really happened and was the role of lotito is yet to come.

The stadium - This could soon turn into a victory (if Berlusconi holds), but just for lotito, not for the fans. For the fans, it could be instead a defeat.

The youth teams - Are we winning something with our youth teams?

The financial "fair play" - I remember lotito most recurrent statement in his first years was "it's not always the one who spends more the one who wins". Pity that facts proved him wrong. So lately he changed his thesis to "let's wait for the rules to change: then we will win". So, let's wait.

I don't disagree with your analysis on the victories but I still disagree with a few points. You talk about us not fighting for any competitions; well, as much as I think we are not Scudetto material, you can easily argue that we are fighting for it. You could also say I'd rather sit in 4th and fight for nothing than fight against relegation. As for the youth teams, sure, not winning much but very decent showing in the Coppa Carnevale. Kozak in the main squad. It is looking more rosy...

...on the pitch. Not at the nucleus of the club and as much as you may think otherwise, I've never thought otherwise. However, results can paper over the cracks so I cannot be surprised.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Conn on February 25, 2011, 06:38:27 PM
I think we actually had a chance to compete for the scudetto this season, but we didn't take it as we completely failed at the january market.

I agree with you that fighting for a CL spot is better than fighting for relegation, but then again it counts for nothing if we get knocked out/humiliated at the group stage, fielding Vignaroli, Artipoli and other Carneades.


Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Lazioscot on February 25, 2011, 08:54:37 PM
I agree with Conn....

The team has done much, much better than expected and got themselves into a position where they could make a scudetto challenge. Lack of ambition in the transfer market has put paid to that. Will that lack of ambition be a signal to players like Hernanes and Dias to look elsewhere for their future employment?

That is the danger.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on February 25, 2011, 09:12:55 PM
If you have to spend in winter, doesn't it mean you left the summer underprepared? Shouldn't the ideal be to spend every last penny on a stronger side and not a penny more in the winter?

2004. That's all I have to say. It is that attitude of spending money we don't have/shouldn't have that has brought us Lotito.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Conn on February 25, 2011, 10:02:52 PM
ciao William! It's very nice to hear from you (http://www.forumlazioultras.it/ubb/graemlins/icon_brindisi.gif)

If you have to spend in winter, doesn't it mean you left the summer underprepared? Shouldn't the ideal be to spend every last penny on a stronger side and not a penny more in the winter?

2004. That's all I have to say. It is that attitude of spending money we don't have/shouldn't have that has brought us Lotito.


Come on, Caxi. Do you mean that Inter, Milan, Naples left the summer under-prepared? It's a few years that the january mercato is a crucial stage of the season. Last season we were in danger: lotito spent money. This year we are doing well: lotito spent 1500 euro (50 tickets in Distinti). Lack of ambition, as Lazioscot said.

About the famous 2004. Cragnotti's management of Lazio was certainly not prudent, but many accuse him unfairly.

Next May there will be the sentence on the Cirio bankruptcy process. Cirio, which was Cragnotti's top company, went bankrupt in 2003. Cesare Geronzi, back then head of the Banca di Roma bank, is accused of having illegally transfered funds from the cracking Cirio to his bank, in order to recover money from Cirio before it was too late. Partial success.
Cragnotti left Lazio in 2003, and back then the club was not on the brink of financial disaster. Lazio ended up in the hands of Geronzi. [...]



 
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: frederick on February 25, 2011, 11:54:21 PM
I think we actually had a chance to compete for the scudetto this season, but we didn't take it as we completely failed at the january market.

I agree with you that fighting for a CL spot is better than fighting for relegation, but then again it counts for nothing if we get knocked out/humiliated at the group stage, fielding Vignaroli, Artipoli and other Carneades.

Not trying to be a sheep followers here, but I'm pretty much agree with Conn on this one, after 6-7 beautiful years under Lotito, it seems to me that we're very happy with top 4, I understand the situation we're in, but no excuse after all these years, takes Napoli for an example, they just got promoted in season 2007, and now they're playing for scudetto.

Lack of ambition, lack of recognition (esp for player's contract, i.e Radu, Muslera) will haunt us in the future.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Sile on February 26, 2011, 01:47:49 AM
Napoli went bankrupt in 2004. This is not the same Napoli, this is a fabrication by De Laurentiis.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Conn on February 26, 2011, 07:44:31 AM
Napoli went bankrupt in 2004. This is not the same Napoli, this is a fabrication by De Laurentiis.

True, we had the "fiscal burden". But how long can we blame it? How long can accept to wait?

Our financial situation is now ok (can look at the investor relator info):
1) the toughest installments of the Fiscal agency deal were paid
2) the burden coming from Capitalia's ridiculous contracts is finally over

The only consequence of that 140 millions debt is that we now pay 5 millions euro each year (it was more than that up to 2009). Now, I don't think that 5 millions euro installments to be paid each year can prevent us from building a top squad, so no excuses.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: phantomm1976 on February 26, 2011, 08:50:57 AM
 last year in january we took two players(flocc-dias)and we save the relagation,
 this year maybe with one player(good midlefielder)we could even fight for scudeto(this is my point of bad team policy,do always we need to be danger than to invest?),
 other side of modern footbal is that after investing you expect(we expected trophies,full stadium etc..,nobody can blame lotito if than he expect money for example :bravo:)
 playing in CL brings profit(every point-money)
 I think that these january was crucial moment for doing something big these season(we didnt use,with better philosophy of team ...),
 cragnoti maybe left the team in debt but do he had the chance to fix that(or he was disabled?)
 but cragnoti also left to our team :scudeto,a lot of coppa,super coppa,european coppa,europian super coppa ...)
 i think that is unfair comparasion(cragnoti-lotito),without any excuse.
 only thing that i didn like at cragnoti was his motto:no irreplaceable player(also selling of beppe-these was two things :vcool:)
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on February 26, 2011, 10:03:42 AM
We have spent over 60 million in two seasons, at least 20 million of which we don't have, we have debt and we are supposed to spend more in January?

You compare us to Napoli? Napoli bought one player in January, Victor Ruiz for an unknown fee and the transfer of Jesus Datolo. We spent 3 million on Sculli. So it is very comparable.

We are not Inter. We are not Milan.

Everybody who said we were destined for Serie B last season believed we were capable of challenging for the Scudetto 2-3 months ago. Then reality kicks in.

Our squad is great but we have spent as much as anyone to assemble it and we finally got it 90-95% right in a summer mercato, so need to break the bank in January.

De Laurentiis agreed. And we are not Napoli either.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: phantomm1976 on February 26, 2011, 11:05:22 AM
 you forget mascara caxi(dont wanna ment that he is very good and experienced player).
 i think that we was near(we are stil not so far away)this season,we could use that.
 i m also not for spending a lot for so many reasons
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: frederick on February 26, 2011, 01:17:34 PM
Napoli went bankrupt in 2004. This is not the same Napoli, this is a fabrication by De Laurentiis.

Point taken, but would you rather have 110 years of history with 2 scudetto and be happy with top 6 finishes or would you want a team who will fight for scudetto every seasons?

I'm giving Napoli as an example, because they've just got promoted from serie B, 4 seasons ago, and now, they're fighting for a scudetto. How old are they? If we counted bankruptcy, they would be 6 years old this year.. 

I know we are in debt, but for how long do we need to wait? Is Europe League qualification the best thing we could aim for? We couldn't even have a proper Official website!!
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: hamid on March 15, 2011, 04:29:57 PM
Just saw this on Twitter:

On #Gazzetta : the rude quarrel between #Lazio 's president #Lotito and former #Lazio and #WestHam idol #DiCanio .Today they called lawyers

Any news?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Juzko on March 15, 2011, 04:37:24 PM
I saw this shortly in tv, sunday evening. But havent got any news yet what was it about?
Update us whoever have the info!
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on March 15, 2011, 04:53:44 PM
Furiosa lite tra Di Canio e Lotito dopo il quinto derby perso!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DATgMiyQpU#ws)

Someone feel like translating? :)
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Jofo on March 15, 2011, 05:58:57 PM
I had huge respect towards that guy. Had....
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Eka_Baron on March 15, 2011, 06:37:14 PM
Furiosa lite tra Di Canio e Lotito dopo il quinto derby perso!! ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DATgMiyQpU#ws[/url])

Someone feel like translating? :)
Just saw this on Twitter:

On #Gazzetta : the rude quarrel between #Lazio 's president #Lotito and former #Lazio and #WestHam idol #DiCanio .Today they called lawyers

Any news?



DiCanio says Lotito payed 37 million for an "overvalued" Zarate, Lotito denies it and threatens to sue him, in essence for defamation.

 
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Done on July 19, 2011, 03:40:55 PM
Today, Lotito is in charge at SS Lazio for 7 years. So far, what is your impression for him as our president?
Interesting link for all his transfers in Lazio..

http://www (http://www).​lazionews.eu​/2011/07/10/​speciale-da-​di-canio-a-m​iroslav-klos​e-tutti-gli-​acquisti-del​lera-lotito/
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Ed on July 19, 2011, 05:08:23 PM
2004-2005

Fabio Bazzani - Never took his chance, strange to think he was in the Italy frame at one time
Paolo Di Canio - There when we needed him, leadership, controversy, a few goals
Antonio Filippini - Worked hard but limited as a player
Emanuele Filippini - Not as useful as his twin
Esteban Gonzalez - Who?
Matias Lequi - Oh yes, he was a cracker
Oscar Lopez - We should have learnt with Mendieta that Spanish players don't work
Miguel Mea Vitali - Did I see him once somewhere?
Braian Robert - Definitely never saw him
Tommaso Rocchi - Legend
Anthony Seric - Walking disaster in any of his supposed utility man positions
Sebastiano Siviglia - Decent service, should have left before he became a liability
Leonardo Talamonti - Never got much of a go

2005-2006

Marco Ballotta - Grandpa broke all the records for oldies
Valon Behrami - Good player, never sure where his best position was though
Manuel Belleri - Nope
Massimo Bonanni - Definitely not
Emilson Sanchez Cribari - Same as Siviglia
Fabio Firmani - Great guy but pretty poor player
Andrea Giallombardo - Better best forgotten
Samir Handanovic - Strange to think he was ever here, good keeper at Udinese
Christian Thielsen Keller - Oh yes!
Stefano Mauri - Fluctuating form but very important for us
Gabi Mudingayi - Let go too easily
Felice Piccolo - Where is he now?
Guilherme Siqueira - Brazilian?
Guglielmo Stendardo - Came as a nobody, always backup now but fights well
Igli Tare - Albino Albanian has been more significant as Lotito's best mate

2006-2007

Libis Arenas - No really, who?
Tommaso Berni - Served us well when needed
Riccardo Bonetto - Yes he's still here, parasite
Modibo Diakité - Needs his big break soon
Pasquale Foggia - Why couldn't he be fitted in to the line up and actually perform
Luis Antonio Jiménez - Money grabbing
Cristian Ledesma - Why did we ever let it get so bad with one of our best current players
Stephen Ayodele Makinwa - The Ace of Diamonds, need I say more
Massimo Mutarelli - So-so, grafter but limited ability

2007-2008

Rolando Bianchi - He came, he saw, he left
Ousmane Dabo - Great
Simone Del Nero - Never the required standard but OK as LB cover occasionally
Aleksandar Kolarov - Great business
Mourad Meghni - Poor glass man
Fernando Muslera - Why did it have to end like it did, Merda agent
Ştefan Radu - Great buy, solid
David Rozehnal - Newcastle form should have told us no
Lionel Scaloni - Was it worth it
Fabio Vignaroli - Absolute garbage, Serie C player was never going to cut it

2008-2009

Cristian Brocchi - How could we ever have doubted him, warrior
Juan Pablo Carrizo - We waited and waited
Libor Kozák - Hope he can become a regular
Stephan Lichtsteiner - Great buy, sad he wanted out
Francelino Matuzalem - Expensive and often injured reserve
Mauro Matías Zárate - The icon, the enigma

2009-2010

Gonzalo Barreto - Will we ever see him
Giuseppe Biava - Got better
Albano Bizzarri - Too good to be number 3 maybe
Julio Ricardo Cruz - Never going to work
André Dias - Bargain
Sergio Floccari - Crucial loan
Thomas Hitzlsperger - He just wasn't going to like Serie A
Eliseu Pereira dos Santos - Eli packed his bags and said goodbye to the circus

2010-2011

Mark Bresciano - Oh please
Javier Garrido - We had to have him for some reason
Alvaro Gonzalez - Like what we saw, didn't see enough
Hernanes - Who else
Giuseppe Sculli - Hmmmm, will he, won't he

2011-2012

The jury is out...

I make that 19 very good to good signings, 18 average, and 29 poor to disasterous. Wonder what the total outlay on that list would look like :what:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: LofL on July 19, 2011, 05:18:57 PM
Alot of terrible players there. Many I forgot about.

Shame Eliseu never got the chance. Only reason was because we didn't play with wide players then, last season he could maybe have been usefull since the team didn't really have any classical wingers. Hope the same doesn't happen with Lulic now, but atleast he can play LB too.

Best transfer is surely Makinwa, he already payed back those €7m the first season.  :whistle:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cornholio on July 19, 2011, 05:54:54 PM
definitely, he made some bad transfers, promises he never realised, whole Pandev-Ledesma-LDS saga was awful etc., but it's clear that last year Lotito ate something, or he is on drugs since then. Last year's mercato was great - we bought a player that changed our fortunes, extended Ledesma's contract and took massive amount of money from Man City from Kolarov. This year we are also doing quite well. The main problem in his first years was that Lotito opted for quanity rather than quality - we bought many crappy, useless players which we can't rid of now.

P.S. FORZA MAKI, TRANSFER OF THE CENTURY!!!!!!!  :razz:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Weninho on July 20, 2011, 01:39:29 AM
Today, Lotito is in charge at SS Lazio for 7 years. So far, what is your impression for him as our president?

There are so many aspects of this discussion. I could write endless of words. But if I were only to look at the transfer market I find it interesting to include his sells as well. So I spent half an hour looking at the price of his buys and his sells, free transfers and loan deals excluded. I can't guarentee that the prizes are correct in every case (as they are based of different media) but at least they give us a hint.

Esteban Gonzalez (250 000)
Tommaso Rocchi (4,2)
Valon Behrami (5,5)
Manuel Belleri (1,1)
Emilson Sanchez Cribari (3)
Stefano Mauri (4)
Modibo Diakité (400 000)
Cristian Ledesma (5,2)
Tommaso Berni (2)
Stephen Ayodele Makinwa (6,8)
Aleksandar Kolarov (2)
Mourad Meghni (4,2)
Fernando Muslera (3)
Ştefan Radu (4,2)
David Rozehnal (3,5)
Cristian Brocchi (2)
Juan Pablo Carrizo (7,5)
Libor Kozák (2)
Stephan Lichtsteiner (1,8)
Francelino Matuzalem (6,5)
Mauro Matías Zárate (20)
Gonzalo Barreto (3)
André Dias (2,5)
Sergio Floccari (9)
Eliseu Pereira dos Santos (2?)
Alvaro Gonzalez (?)
Hernanes (11)
Giuseppe Sculli (3,5)
Senad Lulic (3)
Abdoulay Konko (5)
Federico Marchetti (5,2)
Marius Stankevicius (800 000)
Djibril Cissé (6)

Total: 151,85 millions


Sells:

Oddo (8 millions plus Foggia)
Behrami (5,8)
Mudingayi (6)
De Silvestri (6)
Muslera (3 million plus Cana)
Rozehnal (4,9)
Lichtsteiner (10)
Kolarov (around 20)

Total: 63,7 millions

151,85 - 63,7 = 88,15

88,15 divided in 7 years = 12,59

12,59 millions. That's the sum we invest in transfers every season, salerys and contract extensions excluded. Next step is to compare that with the money we earn/loose from tv-rights, attendences, salerys and prize money but I don't have time :smile:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: hamid on July 20, 2011, 06:09:21 AM
Quote
Javier Garrido - We had to have him for some reason

I liked this description! :twinkle:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Roman_Eagle on July 20, 2011, 07:48:18 AM
I think that in his first couple if years lotito tried to get more cheap players hoping they turn into diamonds, but it didn't work well. probably ti financial situation pushed him to do that. but in every mercato he has some very good buys.

The last mercatos are very good.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Bizzy on July 20, 2011, 08:29:23 AM
Maki  :-[
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: emhad on July 20, 2011, 09:01:08 AM
Good Research Weninho
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: StingRay on July 20, 2011, 03:09:30 PM
Still, he wow-ed me with the mercato this season. To think about it, he buys less and less players but better quality overall.

This is going to the right direction.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Done on July 20, 2011, 03:47:02 PM
Indeed, good research Weninho.
What I could've notice is that Lotito every season makes better and better signings, but after all more than 60% of the signings every season are failures. Most probably that trend will occur this season also...This season he improved the squad significantly, but still he didn't spent the money that he got with the sale of Kolarov, Lichsteiner, Muslera..

Don't know what to say, many times I've changed my opinion on Lotito, but maybe he really had some project for what we are hearing 7 years now. But one thing is for sure he is good businesman, unlike Cragnotti.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Giolazio on July 20, 2011, 03:57:13 PM
Indeed, good research Weninho.
What I could've notice is that Lotito every season makes better and better signings, but after all more than 60% of the signings every season are failures. Most probably that trend will occur this season also...This season he improved the squad significantly, but still he didn't spent the money that he got with the sale of Kolarov, Lichsteiner, Muslera..

Don't know what to say, many times I've changed my opinion on Lotito, but maybe he really had some project for what we are hearing 7 years now. But one thing is for sure he is good businesman, unlike Cragnotti.

Thing is with this season, we will only receive 3 million from Juve for Lichti as they are paying in installments, we should get the 7 million from Man City soon for Kolarov and we only get 2 million from Gala for Muslera as we exchanged Cana. So that's only 12 m. We bought Konko and Cisse for almost that amount already. Plus Marchetti's first installment, Lulic and Stankevicius.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Ed on July 20, 2011, 05:18:42 PM
:what: Maki goes down as the 4th, yes the 4th, most expensive purchase of the Lotito era :bravo:

Oh and on a related matter, it seems that our old friend Manfreass actually blames Lotito for making him rich and letting him chauffeur Maki around, the cheek of it :twinkle: :

As reported by Gazzetta dello Sport, Christian Manfredini is a player of Sambonifacese (Second Division) and at 36 years old still wants to continue in football. But he had some harsh words directed at Lazio president Lotito: "I wasn't out of Lazio, simply Lotito had decided that I had to stop playing, I was allowed to train with the team. It is a system that he makes for many: get out without give you a penny. To me this is bullying. With me, though I disagreed, I sued and won: I was paid salaries in arrears plus a fine. The year after the story repeated itself: I won again. At 34 I preferred to stay firm and not be heard until I won. If the same thing happens to guys from 24-25 years it will affect their future. With me, Lotito behaved badly and has spoiled the name of the club. The fault also lies with the League: as long as it allows, Lotito will do whatever he wants."

Words, words of war. Manfredini is now free, his contract with Lazio expired on 30 June. Now, the former wing of Chievo, Lazio and many others including Osasuna, starts from the second Division and in Verona, the city where he played with Chievo: "I want to play, no matter what level. I have many fond memories in Verona. I'm happy to be able to breathe again in the atmosphere of the dressing room".
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Eka_Baron on November 29, 2012, 06:12:29 PM
anyone know what He is talking about?

Cittaceleste.it - Lotito all'Ordine dei Commercialisti - 29 Nov 2012 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUK7326vZX0&feature=g-all#ws)
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on December 05, 2012, 01:33:54 AM
Just as Weninho was keen for some to address his concerns about financials, I'm now calling all those of a similar mindset to discuss this comment from Delio Rossi;

"I have a good relationship with Lotito now and I thank him for giving me the opportunity to work with peace of mind without getting intervening with my decisions, unlike some other Presidents . It's a person who is leading Lazio to significant levels."

Doesn't quite match up to some opinions expressed here over the years.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Caput Mundi on December 05, 2012, 02:21:01 AM
Just as Weninho was keen for some to address his concerns about financials, I'm now calling all those of a similar mindset to discuss this comment from Delio Rossi;

"I have a good relationship with Lotito now and I thank him for giving me the opportunity to work with peace of mind without getting intervening with my decisions, unlike some other Presidents . It's a person who is leading Lazio to significant levels."

Doesn't quite match up to some opinions expressed here over the years.

It's a snide dig at Maurizio Zamparini. I daresay his position would be different if a player was frozen out during his time ala Pandev/Ledesma.

Delio is a much stronger character than, say, Ballardini. Balla only admitted months after being sacked that he should've stood up to Lotito. Whereas in that interview, Delio basically told Lotito he quit after the club reinforced for the CL with Vignaroli and Artipoli.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cash on December 05, 2012, 07:02:07 AM
When Delio left, this wasn't what he was saying...construction created in retro...
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Weninho on December 05, 2012, 06:15:42 PM
Just as Weninho was keen for some to address his concerns about financials, I'm now calling all those of a similar mindset to discuss this comment from Delio Rossi;

"I have a good relationship with Lotito now and I thank him for giving me the opportunity to work with peace of mind without getting intervening with my decisions, unlike some other Presidents . It's a person who is leading Lazio to significant levels."

Doesn't quite match up to some opinions expressed here over the years.

And here is the qoute you left out:

"When we entered Champions League the problem of reinforcing the squad arose. The DS suggested Battaglia, Arnautovic and other players that would match the club's line. I waited all summer for posetive news but then arrives 19:00 the 31th of August. They didn't bought anyone, so I grabbed the telephone and said that I would not be the the manager of Lazio anymore. I expressed all my anger and I did it with a harsch tone because we'd made some enourmous sacrifices to get that qualification and this would have ruined everything. There was a crack in the club and that point. I argued with the president and I was also asked to act as a mediator beetween him and Sabatini that had handed in his resegnation. The relationship was falling apart beyond repairable. I knew I would leave at the end of the season but I wanted to leave Lazio with something concrete (Coppa Italia)."

What Rossi think of Lotito right now is irrelevant reeding this.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on December 06, 2012, 03:39:20 PM
And here is the qoute you left out:

"When we entered Champions League the problem of reinforcing the squad arose. The DS suggested Battaglia, Arnautovic and other players that would match the club's line. I waited all summer for posetive news but then arrives 19:00 the 31th of August. They didn't bought anyone, so I grabbed the telephone and said that I would not be the the manager of Lazio anymore. I expressed all my anger and I did it with a harsch tone because we'd made some enourmous sacrifices to get that qualification and this would have ruined everything. There was a crack in the club and that point. I argued with the president and I was also asked to act as a mediator beetween him and Sabatini that had handed in his resegnation. The relationship was falling apart beyond repairable. I knew I would leave at the end of the season but I wanted to leave Lazio with something concrete (Coppa Italia)."

What Rossi think of Lotito right now is irrelevant reeding this.


That quote doesn't make any sense. We finished 12th that season, the season before we won the Coppa and the season when Lazio were looking at the likes of Battaglia.

Anyway, for anyone who cares, here's Lotito's latest interview: http://lazioland.com/NewsProfile.htm?NewsId=1484 (http://lazioland.com/NewsProfile.htm?NewsId=1484)

Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Bizzy on December 06, 2012, 04:06:52 PM
Anyway, for anyone who cares,

Nope.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Weninho on December 09, 2012, 09:10:05 PM
That quote doesn't make any sense. We finished 12th that season, the season before we won the Coppa and the season when Lazio were looking at the likes of Battaglia.

The sense is that Lotito failed to provide Rossi the players he apparently had promised and that's what caused him to leave in the end.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Rizmo on December 19, 2012, 09:45:09 AM
I just read the headlines on Corriere.

Quotes Lotito that he's heading for politics. Have I missed something? Anyone knows more?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: drazvan on December 19, 2012, 10:26:01 AM
Only think I liked is that he finally says that Scudetto is reachable. Before he was saying that the Scudetto is not financially possible, now he says that he wants to build a squad to win it. This is a positive change in mentality and I think it comes from Petko.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on December 19, 2012, 10:37:43 AM
I like it too, but it's about time that he puts his money where his mouth is and follows his words up with action. Jan 1 to Jan 31 is his time to shine..again
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Caput Mundi on December 19, 2012, 10:47:36 AM
I just read the headlines on Corriere.

Quotes Lotito that he's heading for politics. Have I missed something? Anyone knows more?

I read he's considering running for the Presidency of the Provincia di Roma. Not sure what the latest is.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: rich on December 19, 2012, 11:14:07 AM
I like it too, but it's about time that he puts his money where his mouth is and follows his words up with action. Jan 1 to Jan 31 is his time to shine..again

+1

he needs to do well in the winter mercato to prove that la lazio can compete in serie A
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: blue-white on December 19, 2012, 11:21:06 AM
I already posted so often it:........there is no money to spend!! So there will also be no big signings in this winter. I also guess that in the next summer....there will also be no real big signings.
Hope to get some cheap options - like Kolarov or Lichti were.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: LofL on December 19, 2012, 02:01:44 PM
"Stadium? I have a project that will make Juve's look like a pond of ducks"

Less talk, more action old man.  :vcool:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on December 19, 2012, 02:34:42 PM
"Stadium? I have a project that will make Juve's look like a pond of ducks"

Less talk, more action old man.  :vcool:

Lol wait, did he actually say that?...really?

The guy seems like he has lost track of reality haha.

But hey lets hope he isn't talking shit like he usually does, would be great with a modern coloseum for this club to play in!
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Nando87 on December 19, 2012, 08:35:40 PM
"Stadium? I have a project that will make Juve's look like a pond of ducks"

Less talk, more action old man.  :vcool:

Agreed.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Eka_Baron on December 19, 2012, 09:13:38 PM
"Stadium? I have a project that will make Juve's look like a pond of ducks"

Less talk, more action old man.  :vcool:


Lol wait, did he actually say that?...really?

The guy seems like he has lost track of reality haha.

But hey lets hope he isn't talking shit like he usually does, would be great with a modern coloseum for this club to play in!



that was so typycal Lotito!


(http://i48.tinypic.com/5txdsy.jpg)
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: The Undertaker on December 19, 2012, 11:22:20 PM
More words than actions,as always.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on December 21, 2012, 11:14:46 PM
Saw a rage post on facebook today, which was quoting Lotito for a comment he made to italian media within the last few days.

Basically he said he is happy if Lazio achieve the following:

Qualify for Qfinal in EL
Win the coppa
Qualify for EL again via standings in the league.

Under normal circumstances I would want a link to an article at least, but knowing what sort of person Lotito is and the fact the main thing he lacks is ambition, I already realise it is the truth.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Eka_Baron on December 21, 2012, 11:19:32 PM


Basically he said he is happy if Lazio achieve the following:

Qualify for Qfinal in EL
Win the coppa
Qualify for EL again via standings in the league.

Under normal circumstances I would want a link to an article at least, but knowing what sort of person Lotito is and the fact the main thing he lacks is ambition, I already realise it is the truth.

and this may led into a passive action in this winter mercato. prepare ourself my friend!
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: usampa on December 21, 2012, 11:22:38 PM
Eka what is to prepare when we are well accustomed already  :sevil:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Eka_Baron on December 21, 2012, 11:34:31 PM
we  are lack of creativity in midfield,remember?

when Hernanes,candreva,mauri is not in form,Klose is injured;we are in serious trouble.

too much dependency on Klose. also we need a replace for matuzalem and zarate who will likely leaving in january.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on December 22, 2012, 12:30:27 PM
Lotito's Scudetto comment that is bandied about in here was taken completely out of context. It was a reaction to the fact that Riomma were fighting for the Scudetto while Lazio were eyeing up the Coppa. It was a cheapshot, him saying that its better to win silverware than fight for something you have no hope of winning. It had absolutely nothing to do with Lazio not wanting to fight for the Scudetto.

Scudetto is a taboo term in this forum and even in Italy. Lotito's comment was realistic and if that quote is true, is it unrealistic? Qualifying for EL again or going somewhere in the competition is a realistic expectation and something I'd be satisfied with. Not happy... satisfied.

Petkovic talks about challenging for the Scudetto every week. If you ask me, I'd be more concerned about that.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Weninho on December 22, 2012, 11:30:36 PM
Is it also realistic to say that "the scudetto is only doing harm" like he did in 2009?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on December 23, 2012, 01:21:15 AM
Is it also realistic to say that "the scudetto is only doing harm" like he did in 2009?

In 2009, he was entitled to say that. We were not in a position to even dream, so financially, a Coppa, and an entry route into Europe was what we needed, and winning a Scudetto would have done us harm.

That Coppa win is the reason we are sitting 2nd in Serie A. Everything changed that day, but sometimes you've got to brave out a rocky period to reap the fruits.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Bobbi on December 23, 2012, 01:34:49 AM

That Coppa win is the reason we are sitting 2nd in Serie A. Everything changed that day, but sometimes you've got to brave out a rocky period to reap the fruits.

100% agree Caxi. That day in 2009 really did change Lazio.

The club has done very well in the last 2-3 seasons and that victory really was so vital for us. I also don't think Delio Rossi has been praised or credited enough for the work he put in at this club.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Weninho on December 23, 2012, 01:59:11 AM
In what way would a scudetto have done harm?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on December 23, 2012, 02:09:05 AM
In what way would a scudetto have done harm?

To win a Scudetto back then, we would have had to invest enough money to go bankrupt in the process. And you know this Johan. Normally I don't have a problem with your arguments, but that comment is being taken well out of context, so the whole argument falls down there and then. I feel the need to respond because I find your stance a little contradictory.

if Lotito had boasted about being able to win the Scudetto back then, you would also have had a problem with that. What's he supposed to do or say?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: hamid on December 23, 2012, 05:10:30 AM

Petkovic talks about challenging for the Scudetto every week. If you ask me, I'd be more concerned about that.

Concerned?! That is what I call ambition.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Caput Mundi on December 23, 2012, 06:51:14 AM

Petkovic talks about challenging for the Scudetto every week. If you ask me, I'd be more concerned about that.

Concerned?! That is what I call ambition.

Yeah, I agree with hamid.

In any case, Petkovic isn't a stupid man. He has proved that regardless of what he says into the microphones, he knows the score.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on December 23, 2012, 10:04:45 AM
I agree that it's ambition but when Scudetto has been mentioned in the past, people criticise whoever mentions it. Somehow Petkovic gets away with it.

These contradictions honestly peeve me. Lotito is not going to win any person of the year awards but when it comes to two people saying related sentences, you cannot say it's ok for one and not the other.

You cannot say Petkovic has done a great job and then say Tare and Lotito is useless. This debate is getting seriously old. If Petkovic 'knows the score' then logically, so does Tare and Lotito.

I want people to criticise Tare, Lotito and Petkovic. It generates good banter. But only if the opinions are actually well-reasoned and argued, and this Lotito-Scudetto comment is one of the most badly argued opinions I have seen in the forum.

To be fair to Weni, he's explained his anti-Lotito stance a million times. I'm just remembering a certain prediction that is currently incredibly wide off the mark and I'm questioning his logic because I'm an asshole.

But jumping on the contradiction bandwagon without explaining why annoys me a little.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Caput Mundi on December 23, 2012, 12:55:33 PM
I don't mind if Lotito talks positively about a scudetto either. I'd prefer him not to make outlandish claims like his fellow presidents (and that's the difference between a coach and president, the latter should speak less about on pitch matters) but if he says "we want to build a scudetto winning side", that's fine.

I think Lotito has done well these past few months to give something back to the Curva which helped give him control of the club.

That's not to say he will ever be forgiven for the past or there is no improvement to be made because there is plenty. Our weaknesses in June are still our weaknesses now.

The Scudetto thing is interesting though. People have different reactions to it. Italians are hugely superstitious and making any kind of prediction is asking for disaster. I've noticed heaps on this forum are too so maybe it's a European thing. I personally reckon superstition is a load of crap which is why I made an asado comment at HT yesterday in the chat (we still won :beer:) so I don't care if people make claims as long as it's done in a rational manner.

And the reason I say Petkovic "knows the score" is because he evidently isn't filling the players' heads with hot air, regardless of what he says to the public. If he were, the team wouldn't be sitting in second place with such a strong sense of spirit.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Nando87 on December 23, 2012, 03:23:12 PM
Right now we're second place and logically we can say yes we will challenge but 8 points behind juve and we do not have a roster or consistency to keep up with them during away games. Our scudetto is CL qualification, barring a miracle.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Weninho on December 24, 2012, 12:24:49 AM
@Cathal:

I'm probobly biased when it comes to Lotito so you may have a point when saying "nothing he says will be good enough for you". What I'm asking for in the president of SS Lazio is simply a different way of saying it. Be humble. Be respectful. Even if the quote sometimes is taken out of context, I agree, he had just said to the reporter that he was about to build a stadium that would cost 8 times as much as Juve Stadium, 800 millions. If you say something like that out of pure egocentric reasons you can't expect a supporter, a hopeless dreamer, to accept it as "realistic" when you say that a scudetto is only producing damage. It doesn't. The joy of the supporters isn't damage. The way leading up to it might be a potential damage, but then explain that and make it clear what you mean. "I understand the supporter's dreams, but..."

If we continue to argue over three days or so you can probobly get me to admit it was a realistic statement but you can never convince me that it was the right thing to say as the president of SS Lazio in a time when the supporters were more divided than ever.

Petkovic said the other day that Lazio is not yet in state to challange Juve so I don't think he's been that unrealistic in his comments. But in general, I would agree with you that a scudetto-statement from him would be bad as well. I don't like his populistic side. But it's also his job to keep the enthusiasm among his players, so what he says in public is always a modified truth.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Weninho on December 24, 2012, 01:07:25 PM
Anyway, merry christmas Cathal! And Claudio. ;D
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on January 04, 2013, 03:35:14 PM
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What does this mean?

edit: nevermind, didn't realise it was a 3 month old article.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: phantomm1976 on January 07, 2013, 12:36:45 AM
 If we buy Lampard you will heard that from me,not from the media,C.L.- :winner:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Hadi Van Der Vaart on January 14, 2013, 10:03:29 AM
Just read Lotito is one of serie a president candidate or something like that. Can someone confirm bout this?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: laziocaribbean on January 18, 2013, 12:24:59 PM
Just read Lotito is one of serie a president candidate or something like that. Can someone confirm bout this?

Just read that as well. Apparently there is a vote today to decide the next President of Lega Serie A. He didnt seem too optimistic in the article I read which isnt surprising! What would this mean for Lazio, what does the Lega actually do?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: phantomm1976 on January 18, 2013, 09:00:27 PM
 Or is this good for Lazio? :ops:,Lottito president,Tare?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Caput Mundi on January 19, 2013, 12:24:43 PM
The Salernitana forum also has a thread just like this one listing Lotito's gaffes and silly comments. Like this one, they are at 13 pages. Who will he piss off more? :razz:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: laziocaribbean on January 22, 2013, 07:46:29 PM
This is probably going to be a slightly controversial comment among certain members so I will state that I am not saying Lotito does everything right, just that I think he's good in the following sense.

I think that Lotito's hard stance on negotiating has actually really worked in our benefit in certain situations. For example, when man city came looking for kolarov they know given his reputation they will have to pay top money to get him - the result is we get £20 for him. Even if he holds out for too much in other situations this one deal easily makes up for that financially.

And with regards to Diakite, player's agents know they can't bully Lotito into getting money (as Muslera saw). If you f*** with him then you will leave, simple as that. You look at the Walcott or Sterling situations in England and realise how much money they are overpaying some of the players (although admittedly that seems to be the case in England).
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: phantomm1976 on January 23, 2013, 01:01:08 AM
 I know that we don't have money,we cant get rid of a lot of players but only two(or even one)good signs and Lotito have chance to be president of scudeto team,
 Two matches vs juve in their stadium unbeaten.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Eka_Baron on February 05, 2013, 01:14:30 AM
(http://i50.tinypic.com/v7azwx.jpg)
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: birulangit on February 05, 2013, 03:25:43 AM
([url]http://i50.tinypic.com/v7azwx.jpg[/url])


this is a nice pic..
and it looks like delio rossi too :D
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: phantomm1976 on February 07, 2013, 01:28:06 AM
 :supsmile: :offlag:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Eka_Baron on February 27, 2013, 03:52:07 AM
(http://i52.tinypic.com/2ih41a1.jpg)

our Lazio back to get the media attention in my country after back to winning ways and also back to 3rd place in the classifica.

well,Lotito you should realise this.... as some of us are quoting ur words to the media in the past that winning scudetto is not important....then u can thinking that fans from outside Italy (also me) once was knowing a team called Lazio because of the media! and its because the reputation we got in the past!

can u imagine,dear Lotito,If we had fighting for a CL place every season we will reach many new fans and also regain our reputation back!!

hope u understand that!
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: emhad on February 27, 2013, 06:53:17 AM
([url]http://i52.tinypic.com/2ih41a1.jpg[/url])

our Lazio back to get the media attention in my country after back to winning ways and also back to 3rd place in the classifica.

well,Lotito you should realise this.... as some of us are quoting ur words to the media in the past that winning scudetto is not important....then u can thinking that fans from outside Italy (also me) once was knowing a team called Lazio because of the media! and its because the reputation we got in the past!

can u imagine,dear Lotito,If we had fighting for a CL place every season we will reach many new fans and also regain our reputation back!!

hope u understand that!


Yes, 16 years ago i knew LAZIO from newspaper... Me, In Javanese Island, Indonesia, far away from the east....
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on March 02, 2013, 11:09:50 PM
I know some people see red whenever someone uses this as an " excuse ", but I gotta bring it up now as it's been on my mind now.

Am I the only one who thinks we would still have been a CL or even a scudetto contender with a good winter mercato?

someone else compared Lazio to Milan tonight and mentioned what the two clubs did, when they needed a striker. Milan signed a world star forward in Balotelli despite being very poor and we..well we signed Saha.

Then of course there is the farce that is Felipe Andersson..everyone knows the details around that.

It's not the fact we do not get CL that pisses me off the most. It is the fact that AGAIN..for 3rd year running we are loosing out on it due to Lotito being too passive in the mercato. wise people learn from their mistakes, stupid headless people repeat the same mistakes over and over without learning.

Lotito owes us one thing, yes he really owes us this, go out like a man and say you don't give a flying fu ck about qualifying for the CL, all you care about is your name in the papers. Because no one is so stupid to gamble like this 3 times in a row and loose everytime.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Eka_Baron on March 02, 2013, 11:24:17 PM
If u are followed Lazio like me,wel not his 3rd year in a row that he ruined this club and messed up so many things. he did it since 2007!  :sevil:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on March 02, 2013, 11:26:50 PM
No but 3rd year in a row with acting like a big man in the media saying Lazio can do this...Lazio can do that. but in the end, all there is..is words.

The difference between milan and lazio is that whilst they are broke and we are not..they find a way. Their management find a way. Our management only knows how to find excuses and how to try and exploit said excuses to not look stupid in public.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: lazCro on March 02, 2013, 11:55:59 PM

someone else compared Lazio to Milan tonight and mentioned what the two clubs did, when they needed a striker. Milan signed a world star forward in Balotelli despite being very poor and we..well we signed Saha.


how you can even compare our's and milan's financial strenght? They paid 22 milions(!?) for balotelli (and they overpaid him). Lotito would spend it much much better if he had that money...
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Eka_Baron on March 02, 2013, 11:59:05 PM

someone else compared Lazio to Milan tonight and mentioned what the two clubs did, when they needed a striker. Milan signed a world star forward in Balotelli despite being very poor and we..well we signed Saha.


how you can even compare our's and milan's financial strenght? They paid 22 milions(!?) for balotelli (and they overpaid him). Lotito would spend it much much better if he had that money...

well,Lotito spend 20 mill on zarate few years ago....in th end,its obvious that Lotito doesnt spend it much better than theirs.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: lazCro on March 03, 2013, 12:19:57 AM

someone else compared Lazio to Milan tonight and mentioned what the two clubs did, when they needed a striker. Milan signed a world star forward in Balotelli despite being very poor and we..well we signed Saha.


how you can even compare our's and milan's financial strenght? They paid 22 milions(!?) for balotelli (and they overpaid him). Lotito would spend it much much better if he had that money...

well,Lotito spend 20 mill on zarate few years ago....in th end,its obvious that Lotito doesnt spend it much better than theirs.

well, now it's easy to discuss it... if then Lotito didn't bought Zarate after his magnificent first year, I think that the fans would hang him in a public place. he had no other choice, but I think he was far from being happy to pay that amount for 1 player.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on March 03, 2013, 12:29:14 AM
Lotito spent 20 million on Zarate due to pure fan pressure.

I honestly think Lotito should 'do a Benitez' and tell Laziali to start 'supporting' this team for a change.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: lazCro on March 03, 2013, 01:23:18 AM
I honestly think Lotito should 'do a Benitez' and tell Laziali to start 'supporting' this team for a change.

We are 4th in the league, fighting for the first places, in the last 16 in Europa league with a good chance to proceed to the quarters, and in the final of Coppa Italia, but all I see is people crying and talking about the january mercato.
we have a bad run right now, but we can come out of it and finish this season in a brilliant way. but fans must support this team, not cry after every bad result. a little bit off topic, but...

FORZA LAZIO, NON MOLLARE!

 :band04:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Super Ram on March 03, 2013, 06:59:43 AM
I honestly think Lotito should 'do a Benitez' and tell Laziali to start 'supporting' this team for a change.

We are 4th in the league, fighting for the first places, in the last 16 in Europa league with a good chance to proceed to the quarters, and in the final of Coppa Italia, but all I see is people crying and talking about the january mercato.
we have a bad run right now, but we can come out of it and finish this season in a brilliant way. but fans must support this team, not cry after every bad result. a little bit off topic, but...

FORZA LAZIO, NON MOLLARE!

 :band04:
Are you guys for real?! How many points have we earned in the last.. i don't know.. 10 games.. and you still get annoyed when fans criticize Lotito? We are in a crisis and we should admit it and react to it! We are in the 4th place now.. WOW! a month ago we were dreaming of the scudetto..
This guy's project is obviously building a top 6 (between 4-6) team, and that's it.. else he would have managed the club in a smarter way. I'm not only talking about spending money to get new players, but spending some time to look after the team and the players we have..
Klose is out injured, so is Mauri, Brocchi and Konko. In a time of crisis the ppl in charge should be humble enough to sit down and discuss the real issue.. and in our case it's obviously the lack of reinforcements and freezing our each player that dares to request a raise to his salary..
Lotito thinks he's doing lazio a favor by not letting players like Zarate, Diakite or Cavanda twist his arms.. well, guess what? he's not.. these players are getting paid, they have a contract for a certain period of time, they should be used for this entire period.
Cavanda should have not been frozen out.. he wants a raise? ok, either accept it or refuse it.. but let him play.. especially when you lack alternatives!
No one can deny that Zarate could have been useful in the absence of Klose.. We're paying this kid a fortune and still we go look for an old horse like Saha to sit on the bench.
To me.. It's purely bad lousy management and only Lazio is paying for it.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Torsty on March 03, 2013, 09:27:20 AM
Maybe lotito wants to run Lazio like a german club? :supsmile: Get all business done in the summer and then only use the winter mercato if the team is in a "real" crisis.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: MCRLaziale on March 03, 2013, 12:16:52 PM
Maybe lotito wants to run Lazio like a german club? :supsmile: Get all business done in the summer and then only use the winter mercato if the team is in a "real" crisis.

Our business in the summer was pathetic as well.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on March 03, 2013, 12:36:29 PM
We have the 6th biggest fan base in Italy and are the 6th strongest team financially, yet for the last 2-3 seasons we have performed above that. Lotito, Tare, Reja/Petkovic, the squad, the fans are all doing an above average job when combined.

Yet somehow, Lotito is a joke, Tare is filth, Petkovic is inexperienced, the squad aren't trying hard enough, and the fans feel justified in saying this.

If I was a player, and this forum was representative of Laziali, I'd rather play somewhere else.

We're having a very bad run in Serie A. That's it.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Eka_Baron on March 03, 2013, 01:10:15 PM

We're having a very bad run in Serie A. That's it.


in another word is called Crisis. thats why some of us should reacted when the crisis hampering our beloved club.

believe me,every clubs in this world,their fans would do the same thing. even they are doing the worse thing (spitting the player's car,broke their house,etc).
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Torsty on March 03, 2013, 02:25:01 PM
Maybe lotito wants to run Lazio like a german club? :supsmile: Get all business done in the summer and then only use the winter mercato if the team is in a "real" crisis.

Our business in the summer was pathetic as well.

If it wasn't for the fact that lotito won't let players who don't agree with his contract policy play while they are still on our pay-roll, then I think we'd be on a better run now, IMO.Then the summer business wouldn't seem so pathetic. Zarate, Cavanda and Diakite were all apart of the squad back in the summer from what I remember.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on March 03, 2013, 07:23:42 PM
in another word is called Crisis. thats why some of us should reacted when the crisis hampering our beloved club.

Crisis usually refers to trouble, danger, something bad. Before the start of the season, 90% of people here would have celebrated wildly had they been told Lazio would be 1 point off CL, in the last 16 of EL and in the CI final come the 3rd March.

We're going through a bad run of form in the league. We still have the same home form in the league as Juventus, so it is clear what is causing us difficulty.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: drazvan on March 03, 2013, 09:02:19 PM
in another word is called Crisis. thats why some of us should reacted when the crisis hampering our beloved club.

Crisis usually refers to trouble, danger, something bad. Before the start of the season, 90% of people here would have celebrated wildly had they been told Lazio would be 1 point off CL, in the last 16 of EL and in the CI final come the 3rd March.

We're going through a bad run of form in the league. We still have the same home form in the league as Juventus, so it is clear what is causing us difficulty.

Bla bla bla. What is causing us difficulty is our management. I've told u many times that they never learn and that we will repeat last season and the season before. EL and coppa? Stuttgart is in top shape, we will be out from EL. And to be honest if we play Inter or Rioma like we played last 10 games I can see us finishing with nothing. nothing. A big 0. Null. For the 3rd time in a row. And we still stay and bla bla how this season is different.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: blue-white on March 04, 2013, 10:39:36 AM
When i read some topics, i still think that we are some months after Cragnotti time...
People are angry that the team doesn't stand in the position to fight for the scudetto.

I personally....I'm realistic. Before the season - I didn't expect us to be where we are. So why should i be frustrated now?
We have now some difficult time (a crisis) - now let's see how we can get out of this.

drazvan - i like to read some posts of you, but some .... i ask myself "what's up with this guy now?"
1. Stuttgart is not in top shape. They are good (not bad), but nothing real special.
2. You say that we are bad, play bad and we will finish with nothing, but you want to see players in th squad again like.....Zarate... :ohnoo:....and.....Foggia.... :what:

What are you talking about?....Do you really think that these players can help Lazio?
Do you really think that they are better players that the ones we have in the moment?

It's time to end dreams....

I personally hope that Mauri will be back soon, and also hope that Lazio will not loose too much points as long as Kose is not 100% fit.
Dreaming about Foggia and Zarate being a helping hand for our club is like believing that Santa Claus and Spiderman are real.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Torsty on March 04, 2013, 12:24:46 PM
What Foggia could bring to the squad now we'll probably never know, considering he hasn't played any real matches all season, probably not.

But to think that Zarate can't help us football-wise seems bogus to me, as long as he doesn't act like a brat, he'd definitly do well coming off the bench to begin with.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: drazvan on March 04, 2013, 04:17:47 PM
What Foggia could bring to the squad now we'll probably never know, considering he hasn't played any real matches all season, probably not.

But to think that Zarate can't help us football-wise seems bogus to me, as long as he doesn't act like a brat, he'd definitly do well coming off the bench to begin with.

I agree. I dont understand the concept of Frozen and how can it ever work in your favor.

-As a coach you want to have a good selection and to be able to chose from more players. Cavanda, Foggia, Zarate, if they train good why would they not play instead of Candreva or Pereirinha or others. If they dont train good then keep them on the bench.

-As a president you want to protect your assets and get the most out of them. You pay zarate 2 mil and you paid 20 mil for zarate and now let him play football in 8 at formello. wtf? he should be on the bench and we should bring him slowly in so other clubs know that he exists and you get the chance to sell him. today's value of zarate is 0. 0 euro. nobody will give money for him. give him few games, maybe he scores some goals and suddenly you will increase his value a bit. cavanda, diakite? they want to leave but we still pay their salaries. never heard something bad and not professional from them. why not let them play until they leave. let them be subs or whatever as long as they help us reach CL. freezing players money wasting from the president perspective.

-As a fan, you want also players that have creativity even if you dont really agree with their behavior. Zarate certainly has that. sure he comes in a kid package but imagine having Maradona or Gascoigne in ur team, players who behaved like retards sometimes. it is football, it's not brain surgery, players are like kids. I prefer some creativity even if packed in a stupidity mindset to a boring player. Hell even Foggia had more creativity than Pereirinha.

I cant see how freezing player is a solution. For anybody. Waste waste waste. And then we complain that we do not have money for buying new players. Ha!
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: LofL on March 04, 2013, 04:29:59 PM
Petkovic and Reja care more then anything about keeping the squad united and happy. There's a reason they agree with Lotito on this.

Does anyone remember how it went when we had Delio who couldn't keep the group happy? I do, 12th place.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: drazvan on March 04, 2013, 04:38:24 PM
Petkovic and Reja care more then anything about keeping the squad united and happy. There's a reason they agree with Lotito on this.

Does anyone remember how it went when we had Delio who couldn't keep the group happy? I do, 12th place.

Not sure if they agree or not. Petko said that Cavanda was a management decision and he has to live with it. Not that he agreed on it.

And Delio finished 10th with a reasonably happy group that won the Coppa...not sure what you mean there...i think you mistake him with Balla...Rossi had problems with Lotito not with the players...Pandev and Ledesma were frozen by Lotito as soon as Rossi left...
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on March 04, 2013, 06:26:15 PM
The only thing I can conclude from the lack of transfers in January and usual passive transfer activity in the summer is that Lotito is perfectly fine with being a team that almost gets there every year, but doesn't make it in the end.

And to be fair, I don't mind that at all as long as it's obvious that we are going for that and anything beyond that would be a miracle.

Or to say it in a different way: Lotito needs to shut his damn mouth about scudetto and champions league and bla bla bla.

Said it many times, will say it again. Hire a bunch of people to handle the media, damage control. Most of the controversies regarding the fans hating the management, he is the cause of that. Not because of lack of activity in the market, but because of his words.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: phantomm1976 on March 06, 2013, 05:03:49 PM
  Its clear that Lotito like coaches who are agree with every his decision(Reja-Ledesma cases was the only one move from our coaches in last decade).
 After Delio he had coaches which didn't have his results and wasn't proven in serie-a like him (I dont mean that they can be better than Delio but all of them Balla-Reja(I respect him)-coaches of serie-b or serie-a(fight for relegation)teams,Petkovic-We believe that he will be one of the best coaches in the league(but before us he didn't have any serious adventure)/
 Why-Lotito is the boss,director,coach.....
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: valdanito on March 27, 2013, 10:30:32 PM
So he has been told by Lega Pro that if Salerno reach Serie B, Lolito has to sell one of Lazio or them.

Hoping its us...
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Super Ram on March 28, 2013, 11:06:15 AM
So he has been told by Lega Pro that if Salerno reach Serie B, Lolito has to sell one of Lazio or them.

Hoping its us...
+1000
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Zrc on March 28, 2013, 02:31:57 PM
Salerno wont reach Serie B, easy as that  :whistle:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: monteverde on March 28, 2013, 04:43:58 PM
they're 1st and just 6 games to go.. fingers crossed
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: flurffmeister on March 28, 2013, 05:04:18 PM
they're 1st and just 6 games to go.. fingers crossed
10, they will reach Serie C not Serie b.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: monteverde on March 28, 2013, 05:26:58 PM
damn
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: phantomm1976 on March 29, 2013, 02:39:53 PM
 One more season  :whistle:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on April 26, 2013, 09:20:53 AM
http://www.football-italia.net/33498/lazio-team-building-dinner? (http://www.football-italia.net/33498/lazio-team-building-dinner?)

Why would he not invite the whole squad for something like that?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ArmLaziale on April 26, 2013, 09:35:49 AM
[url]http://www.football-italia.net/33498/lazio-team-building-dinner?[/url] ([url]http://www.football-italia.net/33498/lazio-team-building-dinner?[/url])

Why would he not invite the whole squad for something like that?

Because that would mean more pizza to pay for.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Weninho on April 26, 2013, 07:27:01 PM
If this is true, I respect the gesture. It shows at least that he cares and that perhaps bringing Gazza back to Olimpico wasn't just a populistic gesture for the time being. That's posetive.

On the other hand, having to motivate players with bonuses is heavily contraddicting Lotito's and Tare's project which is quite clear: sign players with the three famous qualities and keep mercaneries out of the club. Motivating with bonuses, would almost be like pointing the finger at yourself and say you've failed.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Amir on May 29, 2013, 11:42:24 AM
Lotito apparently promised 30,000 Euros to each player if Coppa Italia was won.


Now he decided to double the amount and is reportedly giving 60,000 Euros per person.

Good gesture must admit.

Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on May 29, 2013, 12:07:54 PM
Yes a very good gesture indeed, shows the players that their good performances are rewarded.

And now he should begin on the mercato, sign some damn players and get rid of the deadwood!
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Forza Lazio on May 29, 2013, 12:13:18 PM
Lotito apparently promised 30,000 Euros to each player if Coppa Italia was won.


Now he decided to double the amount and is reportedly giving 60,000 Euros per person.

Good gesture must admit.
I am seeing some light signs of Lotito finally realising that he cannot continue letting the fans down and that building upon this season's success is a necessity, rather than just good work. The Coppa success means Petkovic has much more bargaining power when negotiating with Lotito new contract. As Coppa Italia holders and the leading team of Rome we cannot afford to let Roma catch up with us, let alone surpass us.
Lotito is an extremely clever motherf***er. He know that from now on Roma will try to strengthen, and he knows Curva Nord will rip him apart if Lotito lets that happen.
Therefore, I have certain belief that this summer preparation will be special. Lotito, do not let us down.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Ed on May 29, 2013, 12:30:11 PM
And now he should begin on the mercato, sign some damn players and get rid of the deadwood!

:what: Why has the forum gone back in time? Didn't I read this last year, and the year before, and the year before, and...
:razz: :supsmile: :twinkle:

Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: LoveLazio on May 29, 2013, 04:09:48 PM
If it took such a monumental victory to wake Lotito up then better late than never. His willingness, so he says, to now spend money on quality shouldn't have come to the result of this one game. Lotito has to take this victory as a lesson and of course he knows we were sooooooh close to being in a very low point of our history. When the match was over Lotito reminded me of Scrooge when he wakes up from his nightmares feeling so thankful for all the good things in life, jumping around and giving money to everybody.

Money talks!!
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on May 29, 2013, 04:12:35 PM
Lotito pezzo di merda (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASruAhNzPyo#)
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ArmLaziale on May 29, 2013, 05:51:46 PM
Lotito pezzo di merda ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASruAhNzPyo#[/url])

Words of wisdom from La Curva.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: phantomm1976 on May 30, 2013, 04:29:08 PM
 If he made that gesture than I hope that he start to learn(or change his selfish policy  :ohnoo:).
 Maybe that's the reason why Hernanes for example want to stay with us  :vcool:.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Aquile12 on May 30, 2013, 04:32:20 PM
I think he's finally understanding how to run this club. It's about time :stendvl:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Amir on May 31, 2013, 09:24:44 AM
This is Lotito`s version of events with respect to the cases if Diakite and Cavanda.
Rather interesting must admit:


"Diakite was taken from me from Pescara, went to Primavera, was not considered very well. He had an iron will, an exceptional physique. Then he broke his leg but I renewed the contract.
Someone told me that his feet were shot. He trained by himself, he grew up. Fine.

I told him we renew? He would say tomorrow, tomorrow. The agent arrives and begins to play ... At the end of the contract he does not sign.
I call him and he tells me. "You must not talk to me but with my agent."
He asks me 1.3 million salary. Biava takes less than half. What do I do? Breakdown the locker room?
No, I say goodbye and good wishes.

Cavanda? He took the same prosecutor Diakite, ask Manzini, in Formello he would smash  plasma televisions with billiard balls, and tells me I will not sign.
I suggested:
"Sign and then we meet again in July to re-examine everything." He said no.

...
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on May 31, 2013, 09:28:14 AM
Lotito has done some stupid things in the past and basically acted like an idiot, but he won't get any heat from me when it comes to not being able to extend those two contracts.

Those two players are a perfect example of why I am always a bit worried about african players joining us. They are much more money focused than the rest of the world and I completely understand why, it just means zero loyalty and mercenary like attitude to things.

And lets be real for a second, none of those two players are capable of bringing us to a CL spot, in fact I think they both belong in a bottom side in Serie A. I don't think Diakite will be a starter in Sunderland.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: drazvan on May 31, 2013, 09:29:14 AM
This is Lotito`s version of events with respect to the cases if Diakite and Cavanda.
Rather interesting must admit:


"Diakite was taken from me from Pescara, went to Primavera, was not considered very well. He had an iron will, an exceptional physique. Then he broke his leg but I renewed the contract.
Someone told me that his feet were shot. He trained by himself, he grew up. Fine.

I told him we renew? He would say tomorrow, tomorrow. The agent arrives and begins to play ... At the end of the contract he does not sign.
I call him and he tells me. "You must not talk to me but with my agent."
He asks me 1.3 million salary. Biava takes less than half. What do I do? Breakdown the locker room?
No, I say goodbye and good wishes.

Cavanda? He took the same prosecutor Diakite, ask Manzini, in Formello he would smash  plasma televisions with billiard balls, and tells me I will not sign.
I suggested:
"Sign and then we meet again in July to re-examine everything." He said no.

...

Indeed. It's always a 2 sides story. For me I dont really care about Diakite and Cavanda, I just care that Lazio does not lose players and therefore money uselessly.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: LofL on May 31, 2013, 09:33:24 AM
Looking at how united our team is, and how we won the coppa, i'm starting to agree more and more with Lotito handle these situations.  :what:

Even the stuff about the cars is a good example.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: phantomm1976 on May 31, 2013, 10:19:43 AM
 It's always a 2 sides story,we cant change the past ....but now(again)he have a good chance to fix some old mistakes.
 Lets work fast and prepare a team from pre season(not waiting the last hours of mercato).
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: The Undertaker on May 31, 2013, 02:48:44 PM
I think Lotito learned from his mistakes with Ledesma and Pandev and he did OK with Diakite's case.

I remember when we actually renewned Diakite until 2013 when he broke his leg because we had faith in him. Being an egoist and asking a lot of money where they made you famous is very bad. When Lotito actually gave him a pay rise.But oh well,Diakite never ever will deserve to get 1.3 million per year. It's just insane. Who does he think he is? Jaap Stam or something? Gimme a break..
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: paklazio on May 31, 2013, 04:41:30 PM
Looking at how united our team is, and how we won the coppa, i'm starting to agree more and more with Lotito handle these situations.  :what:

Even the stuff about the cars is a good example.

Couldn't agree more, Lotito is really starting to prove himself, the players have a great connection, not just amongst themselves but with other fans.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on June 04, 2013, 11:23:01 PM
About freezing players:

Just to give everyone an example that shows you that Lotito isn't the only president who does this. Ola Toivonen, the Swedish striker in PSV, has been demoted to the B team because he is refusing to extend his contract.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Giolazio on June 04, 2013, 11:24:58 PM
Happens everywhere. Without thinking I can Iaquinta at Juve and Malouda at Chelsea.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: birulangit on June 05, 2013, 04:02:30 AM
i can think of a great goalie that did not play for one year bcoz of contract dispute with the president..
he is going to be italy's no 1 goalie..
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: blue-white on June 07, 2013, 09:31:57 AM
Thanks Amir for that update - and it seems to be how i often said it. These 2 players are only listen to their manager who force them to squeeze out more money from the club. They are fighting more for the money than for a starting place - and exactly this kind of players i don't like!

It's clear that every player should get his money, and yes some players earn too much and that can frustrate others.
BUT....also Radu didn't earn much, but he was waiting and "dealing" in a mature way.

And take a look at Onazi! If I'm right - he got his pay rise (not real big money, but he also needs to grow), and he was playing in the Cup final! Take a look at Cavanda - because of his behaviour he can fill the water bottles in Formello.

That's it, and every other club would also act in that way!

About Marchetti. We don't know the whole background about his Cagliari days, but i guess that he also did something which was a stupid move towards the club - and i guess that he has learnt about that!
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Hadi Van Der Vaart on June 25, 2013, 02:45:49 PM
After buying salerno, lotito will try to buy Sambenedettese, a serie D club. If you see their jersey, you will know why lotito being a good friend for preziosi. Another "good" investment by lotito.  :razz:

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/q71/s720x720/946517_4907294849422_808761510_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: LofL on June 25, 2013, 04:42:53 PM
Didn't he already deny it?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Aquile12 on June 25, 2013, 11:41:33 PM
If Salernitana get into Serie B, does Lotito have to sell one of the clubs?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Eka_Baron on June 26, 2013, 01:55:01 AM
If Salernitana get into Serie B, does Lotito have to sell one of the clubs?

Yes,He must choose one. Maybe thats why He linked with sambenedettese?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: phantomm1976 on July 03, 2013, 02:03:58 PM
 Lotito - the mistery man.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Harmi1985 on August 06, 2013, 12:59:27 AM
Get this pathetic excuse of a presidant out of my club end off.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on September 22, 2013, 07:52:16 PM
They say a picture says more than 1000 words..true?

(http://www.lolwithme.org/wp-content/uploads/TopGuysBottomGuys.jpg)
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Eka_Baron on September 22, 2013, 07:59:07 PM
sorry to say this,but the "mickey mouse" president are had more better project than Him. in 3 years,the mickey mouse will have their own stadium so they will start having a bigger income from there and then the TV Rights. not to mention how the branding of their club is started to get the result (its better than sit down,doing nothing on lotito office)
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: The Undertaker on September 22, 2013, 08:01:18 PM
Why do you say that? We did get some reinforcements...


In Primavera...

Oikonomidis,Elez,Strakosha...
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Eka_Baron on September 22, 2013, 08:07:58 PM
Why do you say that? We did get some reinforcements...


In Primavera...

Oikonomidis,Elez,Strakosha...

and yesterday palermo rape the primavera 3-0  :supsmile:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Hadi Van Der Vaart on September 24, 2013, 11:38:20 AM
Lotito now:  :razz:

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/q71/1240077_3446553619467_767415347_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: The Undertaker on September 24, 2013, 05:07:44 PM
All of Lazio's money went to his stomach... and I ain't rasist about kilos beacause I was 115 kg once in my life.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: phantomm1976 on September 24, 2013, 05:24:58 PM
 Claudio Lotito ......initials of Champions League.
 Be patience,everything is under C.L.control  :supsmile:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: drazvan on September 24, 2013, 05:50:01 PM
Klose sarà indisponibile contro il Catania. Rimpianti per non aver portato Yilmaz a Roma?
Lotito: No. Sono più che mai convinto che sia stato meglio cosi. Non è un giocatore che può stare alla Lazio, non vogliamo un secondo Zarate.

Ma la Lazio si muoverà sul mercato durante la finestra di mercato invernale?
Lotito: Abbiamo Perea, Felipe Anderson, Keita. Vedremo cosa produrranno.

Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: phantomm1976 on September 24, 2013, 05:58:39 PM
 Some people never change.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Jeri Darmawan on September 25, 2013, 03:23:53 AM
Klose sarà indisponibile contro il Catania. Rimpianti per non aver portato Yilmaz a Roma?
Lotito: No. Sono più che mai convinto che sia stato meglio cosi. Non è un giocatore che può stare alla Lazio, non vogliamo un secondo Zarate.

Ma la Lazio si muoverà sul mercato durante la finestra di mercato invernale?
Lotito: Abbiamo Perea, Felipe Anderson, Keita. Vedremo cosa produrranno.

I don't understand italian, translate it with google, is it true Klose is unavailable? injured?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on September 26, 2013, 12:34:58 PM
Lotito has complained to the italian media about Klose travelling to Germany a lot, to have specialists look at his injury and try to help him. Lotito feels it is stupid as the Lazio medical staff is just as good and questions why Miro still travels to Germany, when it hasn't helped him so far.

This is just beyond stupidity.

First of all, that medic/doctor in Germany is perhaps the most well respected person in the football world and many top players use him as their specialist for injuries.

And it IS Lazios fault that Miro now has these injury problems, because we used a player who was well into his 30s week in week out and never gave him enough time to get well again, before using him again.

Rejas fault..Lotitos fault..Tares fault.
 
Definetly not Miros fault..

Yet another reason why I can't stand Lotito.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Zouma on September 26, 2013, 10:34:46 PM
It's exactly the same with the Brazilian players, they all say the specialists over there are some of the best in the business and they trust them 100%. Besides, Italy isn't exactly known for it's medical staff, the only one worth mentioning was the Milan Lab but they crippled it with cost-cutting and it's a shambles these days. Funny how Pato only got well once he went back to Brazil.

As for Klose, I don't see what the fuss is, a top player is a multi-million euro asset so naturally you want the best treatment for him. For all we know Klose's been seeing the same folk in Germany for years so it makes sense for him to see people who know his history, recovery abilities etc and he's totally confident in.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Aquile12 on September 26, 2013, 11:48:35 PM
I also don't understand why Lotito is making a big deal out of this. Klose is a top player who requires top treatment, especially when he's 35 years old and plays almost every game.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Giolazio on September 27, 2013, 08:13:56 AM
If a player returns home to see a private specialist, any idea who pays for it?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Super Ram on October 02, 2013, 01:47:44 PM
Insurance should cover medical but flight and stuff by the player, unless the club sends him out..
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Zouma on October 06, 2013, 11:00:42 AM
Quote
“The people must realise that this is my club, it does not belong to everybody, so I will control it the way I see fit. There is no such thing as a professional fan.

I really hope Lotito's either been misquoted or the line's been taken out of context, but sadly this is probably how he views our fans.

Now, to a certain extent he's right, fans who've never attended a game, never given a cent to the club don't really have any right to b*tch and moan about what Lotito's done to 'their' club. On the other hand he couldn't be more wrong about the fans that shell out their hard earned money for season tickets, follow the team to away games, or spend a fortune on flights/trains and hotels for the chance to see their side play. Those are the fans that make the club and it's as much their club as it is his.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Super Ram on October 06, 2013, 11:20:52 AM
@Zouma, I disagree with your classification of Laziale.. there are some ppl who breathe lazio for years and years, but they cannot afford coming to matches or buy seasons tickets.. that does not make them less laziale than those who attend every game and harm the club by their racist chanting.

I've been a laziale for so many years, but i only managed to attend one game. Does that mean i have no right at all to comment on lotito's mismanagement of the club i love? I don't think so..

Lotitio is the president fine.. he owns 70% of the shares.. fine.. that makes him the owner of the company not Lazio. Lazio does not belong to Lotito, and will not stay his property forever. He saved the club from bankruptcy, we all appreciate that.. but that does not entitle him to damage the club with his lack of project. he looks at the club as an investment but not as a heritage, and that's why the fans have the right to attack him due to his lack of respect to the history of lazio (and its future).
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Zouma on October 06, 2013, 11:53:07 AM
Read my post again, you're one of those that has "spent a fortune on flights/trains and hotels for the chance to see their side play." so you have every right to complain about what he's doing. You've made the effort, spent your money to support the team.

Now, what I'm actually saying wasn't about people being more Laziale or less but earning the right to see the club as being theirs and having valid grounds to criticise Lotito. You put money into the club your making a tangible contribution and at some level it's your money that's paying Sculli or Zarate before him or that was wasted on Alfaro.
I should have added that these days it doesn't have to be a financial contribution, those that set up and run places like this, organise fan clubs where they live etc are helping to spread Lazio, again, making a contribution.

But if you sit home and shout at your tv every week what are you contributing? You put nothing in so why should you get a say?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Caput Mundi on October 06, 2013, 11:59:32 AM
Quote
“The people must realise that this is my club, it does not belong to everybody, so I will control it the way I see fit. There is no such thing as a professional fan.

I really hope Lotito's either been misquoted or the line's been taken out of context, but sadly this is probably how he views our fans.

Now, to a certain extent he's right, fans who've never attended a game, never given a cent to the club don't really have any right to b*tch and moan about what Lotito's done to 'their' club. On the other hand he couldn't be more wrong about the fans that shell out their hard earned money for season tickets, follow the team to away games, or spend a fortune on flights/trains and hotels for the chance to see their side play. Those are the fans that make the club and it's as much their club as it is his.

Agree with you but I doubt that sentiment is confined to Lotito. I'd say almost all professional sports clubs would view their fans as mere consumers.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Zouma on October 06, 2013, 12:39:46 PM
It's certainly not just Lazio and Lotito but most clubs manage to keep the corporate side where they are growing a brand and fans are seen as customers totally separate from the important stuff on the pitch.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on October 06, 2013, 01:28:51 PM
I was going to put this post in the merda topic, but this one is probably better suited

So all this debate about Lazio not having a " Plan " etc..that makes me wonder. Do we all keep forgetting how much time and money Lotito has spent in the last 2-3 seasons, trying to find youngsters for the primavera team?

I think we all need to pray for us to have a little luck with these talents...there are so many of them in our club at the moment and if by some freak luck they all turn out to be good enough, then we could end up having a good team in the future.

Keita, Tounkara, Cataldi, Crescenzi ( We still own 50% ), Felipe anderson, Perea, Elez, Moustapha Seck, Oikonomidis, Crecco, Rozzi ( unless Real Madrid decide to pay up which they won't, 100% ) < ---- THAT is a plan..lets hope these youngsters have a bright future

But that is going to take a few years, if you are looking for immediate impact..i just don't see us as being able to buy players who can take us to the CL places. Look how much money Napoli had to spend to get up there, after they sold Cavani.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Aquile12 on October 06, 2013, 04:41:17 PM
Take a look at this. We should start calling him "Admiral General President Prime Minister Lotito."

http://www.goal.com/en/news/10/italy/2013/10/06/4314806/lotito-vows-never-to-sell-lazio?ICID=HP_BN_2 (http://www.goal.com/en/news/10/italy/2013/10/06/4314806/lotito-vows-never-to-sell-lazio?ICID=HP_BN_2)
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on October 06, 2013, 05:16:08 PM
Man, I don't know whether to be sad by the club being led by such a megalomaniac prick or pissed off :/
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: The Undertaker on October 06, 2013, 11:14:04 PM
As long as Lotito owns Lazio,Lazio will not be a team like in their glory days of the past. One cup every 4 years and that's that.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: phantomm1976 on October 07, 2013, 11:12:41 PM
 Be more optimistic...even a WC comes every 4 year  :what:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Caput Mundi on October 08, 2013, 02:19:31 AM
As long as Lotito owns Lazio,Lazio will not be a team like in their glory days of the past. One cup every 4 years and that's that.

Better than almost our entire history then...

Go ask the laziali of the 80s how they'd like a cup final every 4 years.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: The Undertaker on October 08, 2013, 04:00:52 PM
The problem for Lazio is,that we once had a president who did the best runs in our history when he was around and we almost won everything. Since Cragnotti,I don't think we will see Lazio like this again. I am generally happy with our display in the past 3 years. We are trying to regain our top 5 spot in Italy. But that's not good enough since the 'modern day' laziale learned  his team to be in the Champions League.

I'm watching Lazio from 1998 and I barely remember them,because I was 8 years old but since 2000,I saw Lazio in the Champions League for the first time and I tried to follow them.

What I want to say is that if we try and play for the Champions League more regular,we will boost our reputation and take our pride back. I can't see Lotito and Tare making it to the Champions League though if Lotito doesn't put the hands into his pocket.With these kind of players,we won't be nothing more than a Europa League team standard.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Secret_Samadhi on October 09, 2013, 01:20:01 PM
The problem for Lazio is,that we once had a president who did the best runs in our history when he was around and we almost won everything. Since Cragnotti,I don't think we will see Lazio like this again. I am generally happy with our display in the past 3 years. We are trying to regain our top 5 spot in Italy. But that's not good enough since the 'modern day' laziale learned  his team to be in the Champions League.

I'm watching Lazio from 1998 and I barely remember them,because I was 8 years old but since 2000,I saw Lazio in the Champions League for the first time and I tried to follow them.

What I want to say is that if we try and play for the Champions League more regular,we will boost our reputation and take our pride back. I can't see Lotito and Tare making it to the Champions League though if Lotito doesn't put the hands into his pocket.With these kind of players,we won't be nothing more than a Europa League team standard.

I agree. In a ideal Lotito world we would make it to the CL every year without spending. That's a no go for obvious reasons. Every average economist would tell you that if you don't take a risk sometimes you won't win. It's simple. I also belive as so long Lotare is here we won't grow as a club since I can't really see that they have a project. Last seasons mercato (specially Januari ones) is a proof of that.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: phantomm1976 on October 09, 2013, 03:29:29 PM
  This January will be big test for him
 1.Hernanes :new contract , sold him or froze him  :vcool:
 2.WC during the summer.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cash on October 09, 2013, 09:08:53 PM
Give me my old Lazio back and I couldn't care less about trophies and european success. Give me one more scudetto and the filled stands and Ill tell you Ive seen enough to put everything else aside. Give me just a bit of the old atmosphere back and Ill...remove my signature.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: The Undertaker on October 09, 2013, 10:31:56 PM
Give me my old Lazio back and I couldn't care less about trophies and european success. Give me one more scudetto and the filled stands and Ill tell you Ive seen enough to put everything else aside. Give me just a bit of the old atmosphere back and Ill...remove my signature.

Scudetto is a trophy... What would you want actually from the past? We all now know how Lotito works but how do you think Lotito would impprove. Please be realistic on your aswer because we all know that Lotito doesn't spend much... So what would be the solution for us now?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cash on October 10, 2013, 08:20:50 AM
There is no solution "now". Lotito must go but he won't.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Super Ram on October 10, 2013, 08:34:01 AM
It's simple.. If Lotito is not willing to invest to enhance the team then he should step aside and let someone else do the job. His problem is that he looks at Lazio as an investment, which was clear from his latest interview. The mid-level team that he's building apparently satisfies his economical targets at the moment.
Sadly football favors the rich these days.. Riomma, Juve, Real Madrid, Barcelona, PSG.. All these teams that can afford spending tens of millions each summer will be favored to win more than those who spend much less. Lotito knows this for sure but he simply doesn't care because he's satisfied.

We have a saying in Lebanon: He doesn't want to fcuk, get fcuked, or let others fcuk! so what the heck does he want?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Caput Mundi on October 11, 2013, 01:25:05 PM
Apparently Azerbaijan offered us 13 million euro over 3 years as a shirt sponsor last year and Lotito rejected it.

They're still one of the names mentioned as a possible sponsor along with some car company, a Chinese multinational and Wind.

Would sure be odd seeing Wind on our shirts but 6 years as a top club with no sponsor is insane.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on October 11, 2013, 01:28:44 PM
Apparently Azerbaijan offered us 13 million euro over 3 years as a shirt sponsor last year and Lotito rejected it.

They're still one of the names mentioned as a possible sponsor along with some car company, a Chinese multinational and Wind.

Would sure be odd seeing Wind on our shirts but 6 years as a top club with no sponsor is insane.

Speaking of Wind, I am sure all this sponsor talk is merely a load of hot air.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Caput Mundi on October 11, 2013, 01:36:04 PM
Apparently Azerbaijan offered us 13 million euro over 3 years as a shirt sponsor last year and Lotito rejected it.

They're still one of the names mentioned as a possible sponsor along with some car company, a Chinese multinational and Wind.

Would sure be odd seeing Wind on our shirts but 6 years as a top club with no sponsor is insane.

Speaking of Wind, I am sure all this sponsor talk is merely a load of hot air.

Possibly but eventually... at some stage...one day, we're going to get a sponsor. Six years!

Lotito, the guy who cares for absolutely no aspect of sentiment in football isn't keeping the shirt blank for aesthetic reasons.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on October 11, 2013, 01:50:38 PM
Possibly but eventually... at some stage...one day, we're going to get a sponsor. Six years!

Lotito, the guy who cares for absolutely no aspect of sentiment in football isn't keeping the shirt blank for aesthetic reasons.

No, you are right, and our finances are very precarious at the moment. A 5 million euro loss during 2012/13 despite an increase in revenue of 25 million, attributed mainly to our performance in Europa League and the Coppa Italia. Take away that 25 million in euro with a bad season, add on the increases in our salary bill and Lotito might find that 4 million a season could come in handy when you lose 30-40 million euro in the year.

I guess that is a very negative way to look at things, but missing our opportunity to qualify for the Champions League and not performing to the best of our ability at present could deal us with a pretty crap hand.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Aquile12 on October 11, 2013, 03:27:37 PM
As long as the sponsor isn't Wind, I'm OK with it.

Why is Azerbaijan trying to be a shirt sponsor now? I know that Atletico Madrid already have them on their kit, but I find it kind of strange that a country would want to be a shirt sponsor. Plus, Azerbaijan isn't exactly the tourist hotspot.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ArmLaziale on October 11, 2013, 08:49:08 PM
As long as the sponsor isn't Wind, I'm OK with it.

Why is Azerbaijan trying to be a shirt sponsor now? I know that Atletico Madrid already have them on their kit, but I find it kind of strange that a country would want to be a shirt sponsor. Plus, Azerbaijan isn't exactly the tourist hotspot.
Cause Azerbaijan has a shitload of oil money and is trying to reach the global market and pretend to be a normal country, while inside there is some serious pornogrpahy, you want examples? Ok - when Aliev became president, he changed the law, so a president can have as much mandates as possible, opposition? There is none.
Anyway, you won't see me wearing a Lazio shirt with Azerbaiwhatever.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Secret_Samadhi on October 12, 2013, 03:43:48 AM
Did I read it right or it is 13 milion per year?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Eka_Baron on October 12, 2013, 08:42:30 AM
I think Wind is not that bad :p

Anyway, I'm confuse why Lotito reject the great offer from azerbajian. We need that money tbh,and like caput mundi said. Being sponsorless for many years was insane. We lost many potential income from that. Bad management and decision maker Imo.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: phantomm1976 on October 12, 2013, 04:04:04 PM
 Strange, 13 m is a lot of money.why would someone refuse that money?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on October 12, 2013, 04:57:10 PM
Would be kinda funny, sky blue shirts...wind on the shirts... :supsmile:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Eka_Baron on October 12, 2013, 05:09:00 PM
Would be kinda funny, sky blue shirts...wind on the shirts... :supsmile:

dont forget in the past we also have Ina Assitalia  :supsmile:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Aquile12 on October 12, 2013, 05:43:37 PM
Don't get me wrong, the Wind logo doesn't look bad on our shirt, but they did sponsor Riomma at one point...
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Eka_Baron on October 12, 2013, 07:30:36 PM
Don't get me wrong, the Wind logo doesn't look bad on our shirt, but they did sponsor Riomma at one point...

Ina Assitalia was also sponsoring rioma for many years before sponsoring Lazio in the medio 2006-2008. And that's not a problem.

Homever,If azerbajian really offering a lot of money like they said,then I will go for it. We are clearly need the money to cover the loss of our budget.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ArmLaziale on October 12, 2013, 09:21:44 PM
Don't get me wrong, the Wind logo doesn't look bad on our shirt, but they did sponsor Riomma at one point...
It's not going to be the first time in history.
Btw, if it was about money, I wouldn't be here supporting Lazio.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Ed on October 13, 2013, 08:48:00 PM
Cirio and Del Monte were the best sponsors, mainly because they remind me of great times! I never liked the Parmacotto logo much.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cnon on October 22, 2013, 08:37:06 PM
There are good posts about Lazio's future and plan in Lazio under Petkovic thread but imo the discussion fits better this one as it's more what Lotito wants in future. We all know that "our plan" was to hire cheap and proven players that could take us a step forward. And it kind of worked, we almost got to UCL twice but now some of those proven players are gone or just got too old.

But at the same time we have spend loads of money for primavera kids and have been scouting young talents from all around the world (Barreto, Ikonomidis, Keita, Elaz, Onazi, Tounkara, ...). Why are we doing so? Why would Lotito care about how good our young eagles are doing? Also there is Salernitana which can give some decent football experience for young talents.

There are people who constantly bring up how we should take a loot at Borussia Dortmund and that we should copy what they are doing. And I agree, we should but it's easier to say that than actually do it. As far as I know, they have one of the better training methods and training facilities out there and that has been one of the keys why they have become so successful. Also if I remember correctly, didn't Lotito just spend like 10-20 millions for Formello?

So what I've been thinking for a while now, could our so called plan be, now that our earlier "plan" didn't work, to make sure our training facilities are better and that our young eagles have some great talents what would move to senior squad?

I mean imagine if Rozzi, Onazi, Keita etc (and those are just the peak) would all become great players in Serie A standand, we could easily have amazing future in hand...
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on October 30, 2013, 03:27:28 PM
(http://www.ilgiornaledellarchitettura.com/immagini/IMG2011092816084685_900_700.jpeg)

Lotito seriouly, get this done already. This is what we need if we want to compete with the northern clubs in Italy.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: phantomm1976 on October 30, 2013, 03:59:15 PM
 Looks great at the picture,
 Details ? , In the city ,near the city , capacity...?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Jeri Darmawan on October 31, 2013, 04:35:58 AM
If Lotito seriously and really get this done, i don't mind that we hire cheap and unproven players
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on November 03, 2013, 05:30:45 PM
Lotito..where are you?

Get rid of this joke of a coach and hire someone who is capable of doing a job of coaching players..both young and world class players.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: phantomm1976 on November 05, 2013, 04:20:08 PM
 First stadium than new coach & players  :supsmile:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Aquile12 on November 06, 2013, 01:15:29 AM
The proposed stadium looks really nice.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: emhad on November 06, 2013, 01:35:41 AM
Apparently that picture was taken from this http://www.amagroup.it/projectdetail.php?id=73 (http://www.amagroup.it/projectdetail.php?id=73)

That site said that this project was by year 2004!! So what's the project goin now??

Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Eka_Baron on November 06, 2013, 01:53:53 AM
Apparently that picture was taken from this [url]http://www.amagroup.it/projectdetail.php?id=73[/url] ([url]http://www.amagroup.it/projectdetail.php?id=73[/url])

That site said that this project was by year 2004!! So what's the project goin now??


under lotito,it will be finished after the appocalypse happen.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: phantomm1976 on November 06, 2013, 08:56:14 PM
 Its a big project , needs time  :bravo:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Eka_Baron on November 22, 2013, 08:12:22 AM
"Nesta? A noi servono giocatori, non vecchie glorie per il futuro non si può puntare su di lui!"
Claudio Lotito, 11 Novembre 2012

(http://s23.postimg.org/8aceiw6zf/lotito_shit.jpg) (http://postimage.org/)
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on November 22, 2013, 07:13:16 PM
Lotito has his eye on Pierlugi Tami as a replacement for Petkovic.

Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: The Undertaker on November 22, 2013, 08:35:53 PM
Lotito has his eye on Pierlugi Tami as a replacement for Petkovic.

Where did you read this John?  :what:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on November 22, 2013, 09:13:10 PM
http://cittaceleste.it/notizie/notizia/13629-tami-spegne-ogni-voce-io-alla-lazio-rispetto-troppo-petkovic (http://cittaceleste.it/notizie/notizia/13629-tami-spegne-ogni-voce-io-alla-lazio-rispetto-troppo-petkovic)

http://www.lalaziosiamonoi.it/news/tami-lazio-l-allenatore-della-svizzera-under-21-rispetto-troppo-petkovic-per-parlare-di-questa-storia-39225 (http://www.lalaziosiamonoi.it/news/tami-lazio-l-allenatore-della-svizzera-under-21-rispetto-troppo-petkovic-per-parlare-di-questa-storia-39225)

There are some different websites reporting it today.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ArmLaziale on November 22, 2013, 09:29:00 PM
Searching for players - Albania.
Searching for coaches - Switzerland.
Searching for talents - South America.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: The Undertaker on November 22, 2013, 09:35:13 PM
Lotito must be out of his mind...

We are going nowhere...
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: phantomm1976 on November 23, 2013, 01:36:07 AM
 If he signed Wenger his ideas will maybe have sense  :supsmile:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Aquile12 on November 23, 2013, 03:29:45 AM
I actually had to google Tami; I'd never heard of him before.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Secret_Samadhi on November 23, 2013, 10:54:01 AM
I actually had to google Tami; I'd never heard of him before.

Me too.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: LazioS70 on November 23, 2013, 03:52:41 PM
Being an assistant to Hitzfeld gives me faith in the guy. If Lotito still has the money and strenght to continue this Coach Poker Tournament then give it a go!
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on November 25, 2013, 01:03:39 AM
I just realised, under Lotito we have never hired a coach that had a history of working in a club with a history in a big club with pressure. We never had a coach who was used to working with a club with a lot of fans who wanted results and a history of working with huge talents/stars in italian/world football.

Domenico Caso   Italy   July 2004–Dec 04
Giuseppe Papadopulo   Italy   Dec 2004–June 05
Delio Rossi   Italy   July 2005–June 09
Davide Ballardini   Italy   July 2009–Feb 10
Edoardo Reja   Italy   Feb 2010–June 12
Vladimir Petković   Switzerland Bosnia and Herzegovina   June 2012–presen

What the fu ck will it take for Lotito to realise that getting a good coach would be the first step towards brighter times. Look at those names above..why the hell do we have to take such a huge gamble everytime we hire some coach to come and take over.

Now we're linked with either the ASSISTANT to the swiss under 21, the Lazio primavera coach or Inzaghi who coaches the team below the primavera.

Lotito must be the most stingy president of any club in european football who openly confirms that the goal is CL

ps: please don't come with Reja and Napoli, completely different club than it is now.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: LazioS70 on November 26, 2013, 08:14:35 AM
Davide Ballardini-1999-2006 Manchester United
                       2012 Jan-2012 Feb Fc MakiMenu (Lega Pro)
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Giolazio on November 26, 2013, 03:25:37 PM
Soemtimes it works though. Milan did it with Allegri and Juventus did it with Conte. Inter tried with Stramaccioni and got similar results to us with Petkovic (quick success followed by a slow death).

It all boils down to money. There are plenty of fine young managers out there and I think with the emergence of the likes of Di Matteo (although I don't really rate him) and Montella there are plenty of presidents who are willing to take a cheap chance.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Giolazio on November 26, 2013, 03:31:19 PM
And I would like to add. Why just Lotito? We have never been a big club and we have never had big managers. Our most successful manager was Eriksson. Even when we hired him he had limited experience with a big club. We were certainly the biggest club he managed in his career. He only really got world recognition when he took the England post and even then it was his off-field antics which caught the press.

After Eriksson it was Zoff (you could argue he had decent experience), Zaccheroni (big manager? Nope) and then we took a punt on an upcoming manager in Mancini. These were before Lotito. Before Eriksson, again under Cragnotti, it was Zeman and Zoff again. Not big managers.

In summary I don't really see why this, like so many other things, is a problem all of a sudden??
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on November 26, 2013, 03:33:05 PM
Also have to consider that Lotito has, for the most part, being trying to attract a manager to a mid-table club.

Also worth noting that Cragnotti put his faith in a manager who had only won 2 Coppa Italia in 10 years of Serie A management. Sure, Eriksson worked wonders with Göteborg and Benfica, but in the context of Serie A, he was about as well-regarded as Petkovic or Rossi or Reja are now...

Quote from: Giolazio
And I would like to add. Why just Lotito? We have never been a big club and we have never had big managers. Our most successful manager was Eriksson. Even when we hired him he had limited experience with a big club. We were certainly the biggest club he managed in his career. He only really got world recognition when he took the England post and even then it was his off-field antics which caught the press.

After Eriksson it was Zoff (you could argue he had decent experience), Zaccheroni (big manager? Nope) and then we took a punt on an upcoming manager in Mancini. These were before Lotito. Before Eriksson, again under Cragnotti, it was Zeman and Zoff again. Not big managers.

In summary I don't really see why this, like so many other things, is a problem all of a sudden??

Seems you beat me to it. Even back then, the coaches who had coached a traditional big club had no interest in Lazio.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: The Undertaker on December 12, 2013, 11:39:28 PM
It was up to him to keep the success of the last 3 years,he should have done better moes.

After Reja -> Petkovic

Rocchi is gone,Mauri is gone,Ledesma warms the bench under Petkovic,,we are still waiting the 3 champions,Ergys Kace is the future,Candreva and Lulic gets more playing time while they can't do nothing,we will not sign any player in January,we will finish 3rd this season,we are fighting for the Champions League.

This is Lazio of 2013.This could be our year but...sadly,it won't.

With a president who filled us with lies and fake promises...A mediocre club because of him.

#Hat's off#

We are heading to Serie B IF you don't change a lot.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Conn on January 31, 2014, 11:48:10 PM
I've been waiting for the end of the January market to write something... in the (fool's) hope that things would eventually change... they didn't... but today id much worse than every last-mercato day.

Today everyone has realized which is the aim of lotito: keeping Lazio an everlasting-mediocre team...

And the words of Hernanes are the saddest thing I could hear... "I leave because I want to fight for the top, scudetto, champions league...  while I've realized that the best I can fight for at Lazio is a Coppa Italia".

Rumors from Formello say that Klose is very upset too about this mercato... since the concept of mediocrity is being conveyed to the players as well.

Grazie superclaudio, grazie...
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Rizmo on January 31, 2014, 11:53:07 PM
Hey, Claudio!


(http://static.someecards.com/someecards/usercards/1332408027500_8345347.png)
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Roman_Eagle on February 01, 2014, 09:33:16 AM
and how do you guys see us fight with the financial power juventus, napoli, merda, inter and milan have?

that is my question. or he should sell Lazio? hmm, now many investors came up to buy us, cause I've never heard of any
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: phantomm1976 on February 01, 2014, 09:48:04 AM
 Cancer of the Lazio.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Rizmo on February 01, 2014, 10:01:42 AM
and how do you guys see us fight with the financial power juventus, napoli, merda, inter and milan have?

that is my question. or he should sell Lazio? hmm, now many investors came up to buy us, cause I've never heard of any

Ofcourse we can't compete financially. But we deserve some honesty and some clear plans for the future. He needs to communicate better with us fans and just tell us where he thinks we are going. Now we move in blindness and all he gives us is his usual sh!t in every interview.

Don't tell me you're happy with how Lotito handle his sh!t?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Roman_Eagle on February 01, 2014, 10:29:55 AM
from a business point of view he is doing great.

but you are right - his communication skills need some work, although I believe his talks about hernanes not leaving were just to make inter pay more
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Roman_Eagle on February 01, 2014, 10:31:09 AM
from a business point of view he is doing great.

but you are right - his communication skills need some work, although I believe his talks about hernanes not leaving were just to make inter pay more
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Rizmo on February 01, 2014, 10:36:58 AM
from a business point of view he is doing great.

but you are right - his communication skills need some work, although I believe his talks about hernanes not leaving were just to make inter pay more

Well, great is an exaggerated word. What about all these paychecks to useless players who we never see on the pitch? That's bad business.

And this is not just business, it's football as well. But I kinda agree, he seems to know something about business and he made a few great deals so far but I can't be happy when I don't see the money reinvested in the team. He settles for medicricy and that is sad when this club could be so much more.

People talk about him getting respect for owning a football club, that it makes him someone. What about owning the football club in the country? With the fanbase and location of theclub he must realize that we could be one of the greatest if he pushed for it.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on February 01, 2014, 10:47:56 AM
People talk about him getting respect for owning a football club, that it makes him someone. What about owning the football club in the country? With the fanbase and location of theclub he must realize that we could be one of the greatest if he pushed for it.

It's a double-edged sword and there's absolutely no chance of us being the football club. We've been finishing in the Top 5, winning cups and playing in Europe for the last 3-5 years and the vast majority of our fanbase in Rome want to celebrate that by sitting in front of their TV sets shouting 'Lotito Vattene' because it's too much effort to go to the Olimpico.

We have absolutely no chance of becoming the football club with any owner.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Roman_Eagle on February 01, 2014, 11:39:13 AM
from a business point of view he is doing great.

but you are right - his communication skills need some work, although I believe his talks about hernanes not leaving were just to make inter pay more

Well, great is an exaggerated word. What about all these paychecks to useless players who we never see on the pitch? That's bad business.



if he had the ability to make only good transfer we would be the richest and best club in the world :))
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Conn on February 01, 2014, 11:51:28 AM
from a business point of view he is doing great.


I wonder for how long will people keep repeating this mantra.

The only good business he has been doing involves himself, his own companies (that earn profits by exploiting Lazio) and some mysterious people who've been enjoying huge "commission fees" in front of ridiculous transfers.

He has one more good business left, the best one: a massive speculation over his lands near Tevere at the north of Rome... clearly in the name of S.S. Lazio too.



Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Conn on February 01, 2014, 11:58:17 AM
People talk about him getting respect for owning a football club, that it makes him someone. What about owning the football club in the country? With the fanbase and location of theclub he must realize that we could be one of the greatest if he pushed for it.

It's a double-edged sword and there's absolutely no chance of us being the football club. We've been finishing in the Top 5, winning cups and playing in Europe for the last 3-5 years and the vast majority of our fanbase in Rome want to celebrate that by sitting in front of their TV sets shouting 'Lotito Vattene' because it's too much effort to go to the Olimpico.

We have absolutely no chance of becoming the football club with any owner.

I completely disagree. You know very well that today's club earnings have little to do with the stadium presence and much with television rights. And actually if you look at the figures, Lazio's turnover is not much different from merde, fiorentina, napoli... and we've been missing money from sponsors for several years.

If you run a company and you want it to grow, you do need to invest on it. Lotito is not investing a damn on Lazio, as he's happy to keep it mediocre. Lotito himself said that "winning a scudetto" is not a target, but rather "winning a Coppa Italia" is, as it would cost less.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Rizmo on February 01, 2014, 12:08:57 PM
People talk about him getting respect for owning a football club, that it makes him someone. What about owning the football club in the country? With the fanbase and location of theclub he must realize that we could be one of the greatest if he pushed for it.

It's a double-edged sword and there's absolutely no chance of us being the football club. We've been finishing in the Top 5, winning cups and playing in Europe for the last 3-5 years and the vast majority of our fanbase in Rome want to celebrate that by sitting in front of their TV sets shouting 'Lotito Vattene' because it's too much effort to go to the Olimpico.

We have absolutely no chance of becoming the football club with any owner.

I really think if Lotito played his cards very differently throughout the years we would have more people in the stadium. But Lotito stripped Lazio of it's identity and people are tired and upset and don't want to go to the stadium because they don't see a point. Of course you should always be there to support your team but when you maybe feel you can't identify with 'Lotitos Lazio' then what's the point in going?

I also believe that with a new stadium and a better plan for the future we can become a consistent Top 3 club. Maybe not the club but still amongst the three best ones.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on February 01, 2014, 12:22:47 PM
I completely disagree. You know very well that today's club earnings have little to do with the stadium presence and much with television rights. And actually if you look at the figures, Lazio's turnover is not much different from merde, fiorentina, napoli... and we've been missing money from sponsors for several years.

I'd imagine ticket receipts generate a significant amount of turnover, otherwise there would not be such a furore over the blocking of new stadiums.

If you run a company and you want it to grow, you do need to invest on it. Lotito is not investing a damn on Lazio, as he's happy to keep it mediocre. Lotito himself said that "winning a scudetto" is not a target, but rather "winning a Coppa Italia" is, as it would cost less.

You know my thoughts on the Coppa Italia comment  :razz: For me, that one has been taken out of context and is just one in a long list of gaffes that man has produced that have come back to bite him in the arse. Not least yesterday.

Regarding investment, do you mean his own money or the club's money? In this day and age, Lazio should be a solid Top 6, Top 7. But taking that extra step beyond mediocrity (in a Serie A context) and consolidating our position - that's something we have not done in our 114 year history, so I can't fault Lotito for that. It's his shadiness and basic lack of communication skills that tarnishes him for me, not the results.

I really think if Lotito played his cards very differently throughout the years we would have more people in the stadium. But Lotito stripped Lazio of it's identity and people are tired and upset and don't want to go to the stadium because they don't see a point. Of course you should always be there to support your team but when you maybe feel you can't identify with 'Lotitos Lazio' then what's the point in going?

I also believe that with a new stadium and a better plan for the future we can become a consistent Top 3 club. Maybe not the club but still amongst the three best ones.

I think Lazio are a Top 6 club. Juventus are in a league of their own with a new stadium, and Inter and AC's poor business and footballing models have seen them slip back. Napoli took advantage and for this year at least, the scum are where they probably feel they should be. With a project we should be there or thereabouts and for 2-3 years, we were there or thereabouts but the difficulty is consolidated it and if this mediocre season was not enough of an indication, Hernanes' sale shows that we did not plan for consolidation.

I actually agree with you about Lotito forcing people out of the stadium, but I still believe it is a double-edged sword. There's people staying at home pointing the finger at Lotito, but I'd love to grab those folk and point the finger at our colours and remind them of what's important. Is that enough to get them to go to the stadium? Probably not. It's not just Lotito.

I think that's human nature though. Consider this forum to be a stadium of sorts and look at how many passionate Laziali 'stay at home'.

PS. Something nobody has mentioned yet - the Hernanes sale has allowed Lotito to make a key ally in Thohir in his battle to build his own stadium. Hernanes may have wanted to go, but I do think the sale was an opportunity Lotito couldn't refuse anyway.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: martinese on February 01, 2014, 12:35:38 PM
When a club is performing well and is fighting for cups more people come to watch games live in the stands. When a club plays ugly defensive football, wants to win every game with one magic/lucky moment in attack the stadium won't be full. Lazio needs it's fans and needs a new and smaller stadium which can actually be filled by the fans so that the atmosphere changes and makes the players give more and more game after game. When you go out and see a half full stadium it's kind of depressing even if you are a professional player. You want to hear the roar of the fans, you want to hear them cheer, you want to see banners supporting the club or a player, you want to see everyone working for a better future of the club, you want to see people who believe in the project that Lazio can someday become a top 3 team, not for 1 or 2 seasons. I see this in Bulgaria, I see this in Italy and not only in Lazio. I've never been to Italy/Rome and I am sure that people who live there know much more about the current situation in the club/league.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Caput Mundi on February 01, 2014, 12:44:14 PM
I completely disagree. You know very well that today's club earnings have little to do with the stadium presence and much with television rights. And actually if you look at the figures, Lazio's turnover is not much different from merde, fiorentina, napoli... and we've been missing money from sponsors for several years.

I'd imagine ticket receipts generate a significant amount of turnover, otherwise there would not be such a furore over the blocking of new stadiums.

No, the furore comes from the municipal and local authorities, and in our case CONI, who are the ones that stand to lose if clubs get their own stadia. They get huge sums of money from clubs in the form of rent because there's no alternative. Where else can clubs play if they can't build their own ground?

Nonetheless, I've posted ad nauseam on here about how we could already have our own ground if Lotito put the club ahead of his own enterprises. Conn will be able to explain the situation a hell of a lot better than me though.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: LofL on February 01, 2014, 12:57:38 PM
When a club is performing well and is fighting for cups more people come to watch games live in the stands. When a club plays ugly defensive football, wants to win every game with one magic/lucky moment in attack the stadium won't be full. Lazio needs it's fans and needs a new and smaller stadium which can actually be filled by the fans so that the atmosphere changes and makes the players give more and more game after game. When you go out and see a half full stadium it's kind of depressing even if you are a professional player. You want to hear the roar of the fans, you want to hear them cheer, you want to see banners supporting the club or a player, you want to see everyone working for a better future of the club, you want to see people who believe in the project that Lazio can someday become a top 3 team, not for 1 or 2 seasons. I see this in Bulgaria, I see this in Italy and not only in Lazio. I've never been to Italy/Rome and I am sure that people who live there know much more about the current situation in the club/league.

Then why did no one show up against Cagliari and Atalanta last year when we were second in the league?

It's too easy to blame the lack of people on Lotito, that one goes out to the fans. I think this goes for every team in Serie A. People prefer to watch football at their own home.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on February 01, 2014, 01:03:07 PM
I completely disagree. You know very well that today's club earnings have little to do with the stadium presence and much with television rights. And actually if you look at the figures, Lazio's turnover is not much different from merde, fiorentina, napoli... and we've been missing money from sponsors for several years.

I'd imagine ticket receipts generate a significant amount of turnover, otherwise there would not be such a furore over the blocking of new stadiums.

No, the furore comes from the municipal and local authorities, and in our case CONI, who are the ones that stand to lose if clubs get their own stadia. They get huge sums of money from clubs in the form of rent because there's no alternative. Where else can clubs play if they can't build their own ground?

Nonetheless, I've posted ad nauseam on here about how we could already have our own ground if Lotito put the club ahead of his own enterprises. Conn will be able to explain the situation a hell of a lot better than me though.

My point was, clubs wouldn't want to spend 100 million on building stadiums if it didn't generate significant income. Saying fans staying at home generates the income instead of those going to the stadium is plain wrong in my opinion and that's what I'm taking exception to. Double-edged sword.

Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Caput Mundi on February 01, 2014, 01:08:40 PM
When a club is performing well and is fighting for cups more people come to watch games live in the stands. When a club plays ugly defensive football, wants to win every game with one magic/lucky moment in attack the stadium won't be full. Lazio needs it's fans and needs a new and smaller stadium which can actually be filled by the fans so that the atmosphere changes and makes the players give more and more game after game. When you go out and see a half full stadium it's kind of depressing even if you are a professional player. You want to hear the roar of the fans, you want to hear them cheer, you want to see banners supporting the club or a player, you want to see everyone working for a better future of the club, you want to see people who believe in the project that Lazio can someday become a top 3 team, not for 1 or 2 seasons. I see this in Bulgaria, I see this in Italy and not only in Lazio. I've never been to Italy/Rome and I am sure that people who live there know much more about the current situation in the club/league.

Then why did no one show up against Cagliari and Atalanta last year when we were second in the league?

It's too easy to blame the lack of people on Lotito, that one goes out to the fans. I think this goes for every team in Serie A. People prefer to watch football at their own home.

Yeah, I think LofL is correct here.

We average less crowds than we did in 04/05 when we were worse than we are this season. Our lowest crowd that year was 31,000 vs Brescia which is almost the same as what we are averaging this season.

In 10/11 when we had Hernanes and finished 5th we only averaged 29k.

In part, its the ridiculous regulations in Italian football which are choking attendances everywhere across the country since you basically need a signed letter from the President just to buy a ticket. The other thing is the cultural change where going to the stadium isn't what it used to be. Years ago, and this goes for all over the world in different sports IMO, people went to the stadium on the weekends and that's just what they did. Nowadays people have pay-TV and they can watch the game at home, they spend big money on iPhones and whatever else and live on social media. Going to see live sport doesn't have the same appeal unless you've grown up with it and it's part of your life already.

People might say they don't go to the stadium because of Lotito. I think they're just being soft, to be honest. Lazio isn't a priority for anyone who thinks that way.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Secret_Samadhi on February 01, 2014, 01:17:49 PM
In their last phone conversation Lazio president Lotito told Hernanes he had to say publically he wanted to leave club (GdS)



Lotito lost 20 milion on Zarate and Pandev only, you call it good bussiness? God bussinessman invest his money to grow, not just watching them floating in mediocracy.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Caput Mundi on February 01, 2014, 01:19:12 PM
I completely disagree. You know very well that today's club earnings have little to do with the stadium presence and much with television rights. And actually if you look at the figures, Lazio's turnover is not much different from merde, fiorentina, napoli... and we've been missing money from sponsors for several years.

I'd imagine ticket receipts generate a significant amount of turnover, otherwise there would not be such a furore over the blocking of new stadiums.

No, the furore comes from the municipal and local authorities, and in our case CONI, who are the ones that stand to lose if clubs get their own stadia. They get huge sums of money from clubs in the form of rent because there's no alternative. Where else can clubs play if they can't build their own ground?

Nonetheless, I've posted ad nauseam on here about how we could already have our own ground if Lotito put the club ahead of his own enterprises. Conn will be able to explain the situation a hell of a lot better than me though.

My point was, clubs wouldn't want to spend 100 million on building stadiums if it didn't generate significant income. Saying fans staying at home generates the income instead of those going to the stadium is plain wrong in my opinion and that's what I'm taking exception to. Double-edged sword.

It's not wrong because TV rights bring in the largest lump sum of cash and will do until there is some kind of media revolution, which is inevitable but is still likely years away.

Clubs will spend big money on their own stadia because it will stem the flowing tide of money they are currently losing on renting grounds from the council. Once you've paid off the building costs which can be sped up via selling naming rights etc and leasing out retail/office space in your stadium buildings, you turn an additional profit. Not sure how much Juventus stand to make per year from gate takings but I assume TV rights are still the big fish they're frying. Regardless of what the figure is though, it's worth all the gold in the world to them since its an advantage no one else has yet.

In addition to this, it seems clubs in Italy just aren't innovating and if Lotito was the smart businessman everyone proclaims, you'd think he'd be more proactive than handing his private companies beefy contracts. In Australia, sports clubs tend to own pubs with pokies (slot machines to the rest of the world). It's obviously immoral 'cause every year thousands of members will lose their savings and their families but that aside, they rake in huge sums of cash. There are some fairly small clubs that are filthy rich just because of these venues they own. Yet, instead of finding an arrangement to the betterment of Lazio, Lotito uses the club to the betterment of his cleaning business.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: LofL on February 01, 2014, 01:23:39 PM
In their last phone conversation Lazio president Lotito told Hernanes he had to say publically he wanted to leave club (GdS)



Lotito lost 20 milion on Zarate and Pandev only, you call it good bussiness? God bussinessman invest his money to grow, not just watching them floating in mediocracy.

And why is that a problem?

If Hernanes hadn't published that letter there would still be protests outside of Formello and the normal whining here.

You guys say selling Hernanes is affecting the balance in the group, and even if that might be correct the biggest problem is stupidity from fans, mostly the idiots in Rome.

Can't wait for some kind of protests in the derby. Great idea to protest in a derby instead of focusing on supporting the team so they can beat those pigs... (or is that term offensive here now, since everyone admire that brilliant team so much?)
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Caput Mundi on February 01, 2014, 01:29:54 PM
Found the data Caxi. Fortunately, Juve is publicly listed and so it's readily available.

In 2012/13, they made 38 million euro from tickets (compared with 11.6 million in 10/11 before their move to their own ground). They made 163.5 million euro from television rights and media.

While having your stadium is a definite advantage, it still dwarfs in comparison to TV rights.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Secret_Samadhi on February 01, 2014, 01:53:25 PM
In their last phone conversation Lazio president Lotito told Hernanes he had to say publically he wanted to leave club (GdS)



Lotito lost 20 milion on Zarate and Pandev only, you call it good bussiness? God bussinessman invest his money to grow, not just watching them floating in mediocracy.

And why is that a problem?

If Hernanes hadn't published that letter there would still be protests outside of Formello and the normal whining here.


Can it be that Lotito is afraid of fans?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: LofL on February 01, 2014, 01:57:18 PM
In their last phone conversation Lazio president Lotito told Hernanes he had to say publically he wanted to leave club (GdS)



Lotito lost 20 milion on Zarate and Pandev only, you call it good bussiness? God bussinessman invest his money to grow, not just watching them floating in mediocracy.

And why is that a problem?

If Hernanes hadn't published that letter there would still be protests outside of Formello and the normal whining here.


Can it be that Lotito is afraid of fans?

Can it be that he doesn't want unhappy players so that we can finish the season in a good manner?

Sounds like i'm defending the scumbag, but honestly he have acted way better then the fans lately.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on February 01, 2014, 01:58:31 PM
Found the data Caxi. Fortunately, Juve is publicly listed and so it's readily available.

In 2012/13, they made 38 million euro from tickets (compared with 11.6 million in 10/11 before their move to their own ground). They made 163.5 million euro from television rights and media.

While having your stadium is a definite advantage, it still dwarfs in comparison to TV rights.

But that's Juventus. As far as I'm aware, our TV rights package is worth around 50 million euro a season to us. Had we our own stadium last year, I'd imagine we could make 20-25 million euro from tickets with us winning the Coppa Italia and going on a run in Europa League. And that's just gate receipts - other ways of generating revenue with a new stadium.

It's a double-edged sword to us. Not to Juventus, but to us.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Roman_Eagle on February 01, 2014, 02:45:48 PM
ok I give up, give me a name that can buy Lazio and not send it crashing in the next 4-5 years....
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on February 01, 2014, 02:48:25 PM
ok I give up, give me a name that can buy Lazio and not send it crashing in the next 4-5 years....

Well there is this rich oil dude who is a Laziale...

But I am not entirely convinced about how much money he actually has.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Crni Đorđe on February 01, 2014, 03:11:08 PM
ok I give up, give me a name that can buy Lazio and not send it crashing in the next 4-5 years....

Well there is this rich oil dude who is a Laziale...

But I am not entirely convinced about how much money he actually has.
Actually, I am not convinced that he even wants to buy Lazio.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on February 01, 2014, 03:13:18 PM
There was talk yesterday of Lotito being aware of a number of interested buyers. But guess what? Lotito has no intention of selling this club.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: phantomm1976 on February 01, 2014, 04:04:26 PM
 Misery or mystery ?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Jofo on February 01, 2014, 06:23:24 PM
In their last phone conversation Lazio president Lotito told Hernanes he had to say publically he wanted to leave club (GdS)

I've already mentioned this scenario. Lotito's game is revealed.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on February 01, 2014, 06:32:52 PM
In their last phone conversation Lazio president Lotito told Hernanes he had to say publically he wanted to leave club (GdS)

I've already mentioned this scenario. Lotito's game is revealed.

That doesn't mean that Hernanes did not want to leave and to be quite honest, if I ran a company and an employee quit for another company and all my staff turned up at my house because they got the impression that the employee in question was forced out, I would be ringing up that employee as well and asking them to set the record straight.

It's only a problem because it's Lotito, but it's what anyone who cares about what people think of them would do. Hernanes happily obliged didn't he? He could have refused.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Jofo on February 01, 2014, 06:44:50 PM
In their last phone conversation Lazio president Lotito told Hernanes he had to say publically he wanted to leave club (GdS)

I've already mentioned this scenario. Lotito's game is revealed.

That doesn't mean that Hernanes did not want to leave and to be quite honest, if I ran a company and an employee quit for another company and all my staff turned up at my house because they got the impression that the employee in question was forced out, I would be ringing up that employee as well and asking them to set the record straight.

If you are known for disrespecting your employees, threatening them badly and suing them when they don't play by your rules and then one of them leaves in tears only and only then your stuff will be under impression that you mistreat your employee. Not the way you describe it.

That is why I have my doubts.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Weninho on February 01, 2014, 06:52:19 PM
from a business point of view he is doing great.

Is he?

He did great for the first years here, turning around the ship and got it in the right direction. That was great business. Hard to deny that. And as a Laziale I'm grateful for that, it's something I honestly will always remember and thank him for. I've been changing my mind a bit on that part lately.

But as already pointed out by Conn, he isn't doing good business for Lazio anymore. Maybe for himself and his own interests, but not for Lazio and certainly not for the fans. Him being praised from outside because of his green numbers and salery cap is partly ignorence. What people miss is that he isn't re-investing the money, so what's the point in making profit? The salery cup is a solid idea from an idelogical point of view but what people miss is that there would be no need for a salery cap if players like Zauri, Stendardo, Manfredini, Del Nero, Sculli etc would not have been given those horrible long contracts. There would have been much more space for signing greater players.

Conn is certainly able to explain this better but Lazio is partly a tool for Lotito. I think that's a well known fact in Italy. I do agree that he sometimes get to much s*hit, and that evetything isn't his fault, but many of his companies have collaborations with Lazio - cleaning and security service on Formello for example - and while it's nothing really wrong and unusual with that, it's laghuable when Lotito himself says that "he doesn't earn a penny from Lazio". The club is also, as pointed out by Caput Mundi, a powerful tool in his lobbying. It's no surprise that he wants to get into politics and let's face it, he would not be able to do it without Lazio. Owning a football club - especially in Rome - gives you an enormous advantage if you're aiming for a career like that.

Lastly, it's hard to explain the "good business" in buying a building for 7,5 millions and a media-archive for 14 millions in a time were Lazio headed for Champions League but weren't properly enforced. What Lotito did was starting a Lazio Style Channel, magazine, tv and radio, who is runned and controlled by the club, and as far as I'v read attracts very few costumers. This, while the official homepage still has no English website and people like Paolo and the LF Team - dedicating part of his/their life to make Lazio avaliable for foreign Laziali - is still to be recognized and awarded for their work. Why not offer them a trip to Rome as guest of the club?

I just don't understand how this can be "good business". I don't know how much more evidence you need before you realise that Lotito is happy with the mediocrity just the way it is.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on February 01, 2014, 06:54:20 PM
If you are known for disrespecting your employees, threatening them badly and suing them when they don't play by your rules and then one of them leaves in tears only and only then your stuff will be under impression that you mistreat your employee. Not the way you describe it.

And that changes what I said, how? Lotito was not wrong in this particular case. In the past, yes. In this case, no. The past might affect the present and the future, but it doesn't change the fact that Lotito acted appropriately in this instance.

You (and others) suggested everything Hernanes said was propaganda generated by Lotito. So the stuff about him putting his mobile in his trophy cabinet - Lotito's controlling that, yeah? Rang him uo and told him to post it?

Stealing Erme's quote in the Hernanes topic from yesterday. I presume when he says something like this, that from inside Formello, it's clear what way things went down

Oooooooo Noooo ! Really? I am so surprised.,..........

Btw ...the message is for many: Use your brain before taking action.

Doesn't change what Lotito is, but I don't see what the big deal is about asking Hernanes to clear his name.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on February 01, 2014, 07:01:44 PM
Is he?

He did great for the first years here, turning around the ship and got it in the right direction. That was great business. Hard to deny that. And as a Laziale I'm grateful for that, it's something I honestly will always remember and thank him for. I've been changing my mind a bit on that part lately.

But as already pointed out by Conn, he isn't doing good business for Lazio anymore. Maybe for himself and his own interests, but not for Lazio and certainly not for the fans. Him being praised from outside because of his green numbers and salery cap is partly ignorence. What people miss is that he isn't re-investing the money, so what's the point in making profit? The salery cup is a solid idea from an idelogical point of view but what people miss is that there would be no need for a salery cap if players like Zauri, Stendardo, Manfredini, Del Nero, Sculli etc would not have been given those horrible long contracts. There would have been much more space for signing greater players.

Conn is certainly able to explain this better but Lazio is partly a tool for Lotito. I think that's a well known fact in Italy. I do agree that he sometimes get to much s*hit, and that evetything isn't his fault, but many of his companies have collaborations with Lazio - cleaning and security service on Formello for example - and while it's nothing really wrong and unusual with that, it's laghuable when Lotito himself says that "he doesn't earn a penny from Lazio". The club is also, as pointed out by Caput Mundi, a powerful tool in his lobbying. It's no surprise that he wants to get into politics and let's face it, he would not be able to do it without Lazio. Owning a football club - especially in Rome - gives you an enormous advantage if you're aiming for a career like that.

Lastly, it's hard to explain the "good business" in buying a building for 7,5 millions and a media-archive for 14 millions in a time were Lazio headed for Champions League but weren't properly enforced. What Lotito did was starting a Lazio Style Channel, magazine, tv and radio, who is runned and controlled by the club, and as far as I'v read attracts very few costumers. This, while the official homepage still has no English website and people like Paolo and the LF Team - dedicating part of his/their life to make Lazio avaliable for foreign Laziali - is still to be recognized and awarded for their work. Why not offer them a trip to Rome as guest of the club?

I just don't understand how this can be "good business". I don't know how much more evidence you need before you realise that Lotito is happy with the mediocrity just the way it is.

Well said, although the vast majority of owners own football teams for personal gain and any new owner coming in will be the same, frankly. Also, the business end of things is suffering because the football end is suffering. Football is the business here so good footballing decisions equates to good business. It's in Lotito's best business interests to take this club to the next level as a football team, but Lotito has other interests which are getting in the way of us moving forward. One is his religion - players have to have certain characteristics, agents are evil etc. And then there's politics.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Jofo on February 01, 2014, 07:05:19 PM
@Caxi Why he asked Hernanes to clear his name in first place if he hasn't felt any guilt. Anyway, its done deal so despite feeling like shit I would much rather move on (if possible).
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on February 01, 2014, 07:13:31 PM
@Caxi Why he asked Hernanes to clear his name in first place if he hasn't felt any guilt.

We can move on, but let me put it like this - it's a bit like telling Stefano Mauri he's guilty because he tried to clear his name by fighting the system. There's such a thing as being wrongly accused and it's only human to want justice to be done.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Weninho on February 01, 2014, 07:28:33 PM
Then why did no one show up against Cagliari and Atalanta last year when we were second in the league?

It's too easy to blame the lack of people on Lotito, that one goes out to the fans. I think this goes for every team in Serie A. People prefer to watch football at their own home.

Look I don't applaud the gufi sitting infront of their computers insulting the players either, far from, but that doesn't only goes for Rome, it goes for this forum as well. Almost every one of us is following the team in our heart throught the TV and the majority does, I would imagine, because their respective local league didn't offer what they wanted in terms in entertainment, quality of the game and atmosphere.

Just like it's too easy to blame Lotito for those who prefer to sit and home and follow the games on Facebook, it's also too easy to sit several thousand miles away from the team and point finger at the Roman supporters and tell them how they should support their team.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: MMV on February 01, 2014, 07:29:00 PM
This mercato has been a clear indication of what the managements ambitions are yet no plans or excuses of lack there of are being communicated out, and it is upsetting the most of us.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on February 01, 2014, 07:30:33 PM
The main reason why people stay away is because of how Lotito treat the fans. How many times have we seen him make statements about the club being his and no one elses and that he will run it the way he sees fit etc.

He's an egomaniac and that is the worst kind of person to run a football club.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Weninho on February 01, 2014, 07:38:22 PM
Is he?

He did great for the first years here, turning around the ship and got it in the right direction. That was great business. Hard to deny that. And as a Laziale I'm grateful for that, it's something I honestly will always remember and thank him for. I've been changing my mind a bit on that part lately.

But as already pointed out by Conn, he isn't doing good business for Lazio anymore. Maybe for himself and his own interests, but not for Lazio and certainly not for the fans. Him being praised from outside because of his green numbers and salery cap is partly ignorence. What people miss is that he isn't re-investing the money, so what's the point in making profit? The salery cup is a solid idea from an idelogical point of view but what people miss is that there would be no need for a salery cap if players like Zauri, Stendardo, Manfredini, Del Nero, Sculli etc would not have been given those horrible long contracts. There would have been much more space for signing greater players.

Conn is certainly able to explain this better but Lazio is partly a tool for Lotito. I think that's a well known fact in Italy. I do agree that he sometimes get to much s*hit, and that evetything isn't his fault, but many of his companies have collaborations with Lazio - cleaning and security service on Formello for example - and while it's nothing really wrong and unusual with that, it's laghuable when Lotito himself says that "he doesn't earn a penny from Lazio". The club is also, as pointed out by Caput Mundi, a powerful tool in his lobbying. It's no surprise that he wants to get into politics and let's face it, he would not be able to do it without Lazio. Owning a football club - especially in Rome - gives you an enormous advantage if you're aiming for a career like that.

Lastly, it's hard to explain the "good business" in buying a building for 7,5 millions and a media-archive for 14 millions in a time were Lazio headed for Champions League but weren't properly enforced. What Lotito did was starting a Lazio Style Channel, magazine, tv and radio, who is runned and controlled by the club, and as far as I'v read attracts very few costumers. This, while the official homepage still has no English website and people like Paolo and the LF Team - dedicating part of his/their life to make Lazio avaliable for foreign Laziali - is still to be recognized and awarded for their work. Why not offer them a trip to Rome as guest of the club?

I just don't understand how this can be "good business". I don't know how much more evidence you need before you realise that Lotito is happy with the mediocrity just the way it is.

Well said, although the vast majority of owners own football teams for personal gain and any new owner coming in will be the same, frankly. Also, the business end of things is suffering because the football end is suffering. Football is the business here so good footballing decisions equates to good business. It's in Lotito's best business interests to take this club to the next level as a football team, but Lotito has other interests which are getting in the way of us moving forward. One is his religion - players have to have certain characteristics, agents are evil etc. And then there's politics.

Agree. And that's why he has created a catch 22-situation since a couple of years. But my point is that it's getting tiresome to reed and here that he's doing great business while it could have been so much better.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Roman_Eagle on February 01, 2014, 10:04:05 PM
from a business point of view he is doing great.

Is he?

He did great for the first years here, turning around the ship and got it in the right direction. That was great business. Hard to deny that. And as a Laziale I'm grateful for that, it's something I honestly will always remember and thank him for. I've been changing my mind a bit on that part lately.

But as already pointed out by Conn, he isn't doing good business for Lazio anymore. Maybe for himself and his own interests, but not for Lazio and certainly not for the fans. Him being praised from outside because of his green numbers and salery cap is partly ignorence. What people miss is that he isn't re-investing the money, so what's the point in making profit? The salery cup is a solid idea from an idelogical point of view but what people miss is that there would be no need for a salery cap if players like Zauri, Stendardo, Manfredini, Del Nero, Sculli etc would not have been given those horrible long contracts. There would have been much more space for signing greater players.

Conn is certainly able to explain this better but Lazio is partly a tool for Lotito. I think that's a well known fact in Italy. I do agree that he sometimes get to much s*hit, and that evetything isn't his fault, but many of his companies have collaborations with Lazio - cleaning and security service on Formello for example - and while it's nothing really wrong and unusual with that, it's laghuable when Lotito himself says that "he doesn't earn a penny from Lazio". The club is also, as pointed out by Caput Mundi, a powerful tool in his lobbying. It's no surprise that he wants to get into politics and let's face it, he would not be able to do it without Lazio. Owning a football club - especially in Rome - gives you an enormous advantage if you're aiming for a career like that.

Lastly, it's hard to explain the "good business" in buying a building for 7,5 millions and a media-archive for 14 millions in a time were Lazio headed for Champions League but weren't properly enforced. What Lotito did was starting a Lazio Style Channel, magazine, tv and radio, who is runned and controlled by the club, and as far as I'v read attracts very few costumers. This, while the official homepage still has no English website and people like Paolo and the LF Team - dedicating part of his/their life to make Lazio avaliable for foreign Laziali - is still to be recognized and awarded for their work. Why not offer them a trip to Rome as guest of the club?

I just don't understand how this can be "good business". I don't know how much more evidence you need before you realise that Lotito is happy with the mediocrity just the way it is.

I agree he had some awful signings! nobody can deny that and thru them we lost huge amount of money, but which club doesn't make bad transfers !? show me one? thing is we are a club that has/had no financial power and we needed to gamble in order to raise funds and the level of the players. we have succeeded with kolarov and lichtsteiner, but we had bad transfers as you mentioned.

but do you guys forget we have huge debts to pay and probably that is where all our money go ?

Lazio is not just a club, it is a social factor and trust me, if he is making something fishy, he will get punished for it.

of course he is making money for him from Lazio, as Caxi said, which football owner doesn't !?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: sniperpon on February 01, 2014, 10:41:50 PM
I don't think lack of finances has anything to do with the fact that we have a painfully unbalanced squad with gaping holes every year, to the point where the only manager that can get any sort of results is miracle worker Reja.

The "richest clubs" list just came out, and we were 28th. I look across far less wealthy clubs in other European countries like France and Portugal, and they have more balanced and competitive squads than we do, where they depend on team work and cohesion for goals rather than pray for individual brilliance like we do. And they do it with a lot less money.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Arabic Laziale on February 02, 2014, 12:55:01 AM
Lazio is being humiliated by a story called "oh Lotito saved us ages ago, and he still saving us" that dictatorship knows nothing about football and what a team like Lazio needs. every dictatorship has this mentality which is everybody needs him (Lazio in this case) and im always right you guys always blind and wrong. he has no project, no plan, not even a short term plan. Hernanes didn't bring anything new to our ears when he said the big guys in the club have no bright future for Lazio. I don't know why Lotito insists to turn Lazio into a market for other clubs. Lazio under this man awful management (Pinky and Brain) will still a mediocre team that only fights for the Coppa and maybe, maybe the champions league.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Rizmo on February 02, 2014, 01:06:41 AM
The CL is so far away it's depressing. I'm starting to believe I will never see Lazio in CL again.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Weninho on February 02, 2014, 01:27:33 AM
I agree he had some awful signings! nobody can deny that and thru them we lost huge amount of money, but which club doesn't make bad transfers !? show me one? thing is we are a club that has/had no financial power and we needed to gamble in order to raise funds and the level of the players. we have succeeded with kolarov and lichtsteiner, but we had bad transfers as you mentioned.

Yeah, bad transfers isn't the point. Never said that. Contract policy is.

Lazio is not just a club, it is a social factor and trust me, if he is making something fishy, he will get punished for it.

of course he is making money for him from Lazio, as Caxi said, which football owner doesn't !?

I'm not saying anything is fishy. I believe everything is handled correctly. Lotito is entitled to do what he does, just like other presidents. But the difference is that he doesn't invest in Lazio to take the next step.

but do you guys forget we have huge debts to pay and probably that is where all our money go ?

No it's not. The dept is payed in installments and the size is according to Lotito himself around 5,5 millions a year. "Good business" would have been to pay at least half of that amount by the money from a sponsor.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Taib on February 02, 2014, 02:27:29 AM
There was talk yesterday of Lotito being aware of a number of interested buyers. But guess what? Lotito has no intention of selling this club.

Did it say where the buyers are from and what is their profile?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Caput Mundi on February 02, 2014, 03:03:33 AM
Then why did no one show up against Cagliari and Atalanta last year when we were second in the league?

It's too easy to blame the lack of people on Lotito, that one goes out to the fans. I think this goes for every team in Serie A. People prefer to watch football at their own home.

Look I don't applaud the gufi sitting infront of their computers insulting the players either, far from, but that doesn't only goes for Rome, it goes for this forum as well. Almost every one of us is following the team in our heart throught the TV and the majority does, I would imagine, because their respective local league didn't offer what they wanted in terms in entertainment, quality of the game and atmosphere.

Just like it's too easy to blame Lotito for those who prefer to sit and home and follow the games on Facebook, it's also too easy to sit several thousand miles away from the team and point finger at the Roman supporters and tell them how they should support their team.

I respectfully disagree. It's a massive problem that almost deserves its own topic.

I go to watch my local side play in the stadium because I like watching football live. The reason I'm not passionate about them is they were founded in 2003 and the Lazio ship had sailed for me by then. But for the guys in Rome starting online petitions and writing #liberalalazio on Facebook, what are they hoping to achieve? How about people with a 'profile' like Vincenzo Morabito telling people not to go to the stadium? I could almost take it personally since I'd be at the stadium every week regardless of Lotito, if Rome weren't $2500 away.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on February 02, 2014, 03:24:42 AM
There was talk yesterday of Lotito being aware of a number of interested buyers. But guess what? Lotito has no intention of selling this club.

Did it say where the buyers are from and what is their profile?

No. It was Guido Paglia, head of communications under Cragnotti. He said it's time Lotito sold up in an interview yesterday and when asked if that was possible, he said yes, because there are offers out there and Lotito knows there are, but whenever one comes up, nothing comes of it.

Then why did no one show up against Cagliari and Atalanta last year when we were second in the league?

It's too easy to blame the lack of people on Lotito, that one goes out to the fans. I think this goes for every team in Serie A. People prefer to watch football at their own home.

Look I don't applaud the gufi sitting infront of their computers insulting the players either, far from, but that doesn't only goes for Rome, it goes for this forum as well. Almost every one of us is following the team in our heart throught the TV and the majority does, I would imagine, because their respective local league didn't offer what they wanted in terms in entertainment, quality of the game and atmosphere.

Just like it's too easy to blame Lotito for those who prefer to sit and home and follow the games on Facebook, it's also too easy to sit several thousand miles away from the team and point finger at the Roman supporters and tell them how they should support their team.

I respectfully disagree. It's a massive problem that almost deserves its own topic.

I go to watch my local side play in the stadium because I like watching football live. The reason I'm not passionate about them is they were founded in 2003 and the Lazio ship had sailed for me by then. But for the guys in Rome starting online petitions and writing #liberalalazio on Facebook, what are they hoping to achieve? How about people with a 'profile' like Vincenzo Morabito telling people not to go to the stadium? I could almost take it personally since I'd be at the stadium every week regardless of Lotito, if Rome weren't $2500 away.

I've used this example before, but it might be relevant again. About 18 months ago in Gaelic Football (amateur sport), my county with a population of about 100,000 and another county of a similar population went on a run and eventually met in the Irish final. Both counties were managing to sell their allocated tickets (about 40,000 each) within a day despite the fact that (a) the stadium was 4-6 hours away by car and (b) Gaelic football is not the main sport in the region. The game was on TV of course.

The main reason has to be cultural. For what it's worth, you wouldn't see an online petition or #liberalalazio in Ireland or anything similar, nor would you see people protesting by not going to the stadium or going to the stadium with anti-anything banners.

I'm not kidding, if Dublin had two football clubs of Lazio and Roma's stature, I'd imagine a derby would get in excess of about 500,000 ticket requests. So when I see this 'people don't go the stadium because of Lotito', I just don't buy it. It just cannot be the reason.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Caput Mundi on February 02, 2014, 03:38:17 AM
I agree. Like your example, Melbourne has a slightly greater population than Rome but there are nine Aussie rules teams to choose from instead of two and the big matches will easily draw upward of 70,000 people.

I know pay-TV, iPhones and other consumer demands are a big rival for people's time and money now but it's not like these things don't exist elsewhere. I don't imagine the Irish would be going through a much better period economically than the people of Rome would. I've followed this sort of discussion on a Roman forum and even there a lot of people are at a loss as to why people choose to stay home, apart from the comfort factor.

That's why I think people should be called out on these 'campaigns.' Spreading messages on social media telling people the best thing to do is stay away from the stadium is dangerous. It does absolutely nothing to help Lazio or stop Lotito.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Roman_Eagle on February 02, 2014, 07:32:34 AM
I agree he had some awful signings! nobody can deny that and thru them we lost huge amount of money, but which club doesn't make bad transfers !? show me one? thing is we are a club that has/had no financial power and we needed to gamble in order to raise funds and the level of the players. we have succeeded with kolarov and lichtsteiner, but we had bad transfers as you mentioned.

Yeah, bad transfers isn't the point. Never said that. Contract policy is.

Lazio is not just a club, it is a social factor and trust me, if he is making something fishy, he will get punished for it.

of course he is making money for him from Lazio, as Caxi said, which football owner doesn't !?

I'm not saying anything is fishy. I believe everything is handled correctly. Lotito is entitled to do what he does, just like other presidents. But the difference is that he doesn't invest in Lazio to take the next step.

but do you guys forget we have huge debts to pay and probably that is where all our money go ?

No it's not. The dept is payed in installments and the size is according to Lotito himself around 5,5 millions a year. "Good business" would have been to pay at least half of that amount by the money from a sponsor.

bad contracts too! but as I said we need to gamble on players. I remember sculli's first seasons in seria A - the guy was on fire. that's what we hoped for. obviously it didn't pay off.

ok, so he doesn't reinvest, he's not stealing it, so where is the money ? they must be going somewhere?

the debt was huge, i doubt 5.5 mil per year will clear it in the next 40 years ... the installment has to be bigger than that
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Conn on February 02, 2014, 11:02:12 AM
I completely disagree. You know very well that today's club earnings have little to do with the stadium presence and much with television rights. And actually if you look at the figures, Lazio's turnover is not much different from merde, fiorentina, napoli... and we've been missing money from sponsors for several years.

I'd imagine ticket receipts generate a significant amount of turnover, otherwise there would not be such a furore over the blocking of new stadiums.

No, the furore comes from the municipal and local authorities, and in our case CONI, who are the ones that stand to lose if clubs get their own stadia. They get huge sums of money from clubs in the form of rent because there's no alternative. Where else can clubs play if they can't build their own ground?

Nonetheless, I've posted ad nauseam on here about how we could already have our own ground if Lotito put the club ahead of his own enterprises. Conn will be able to explain the situation a hell of a lot better than me though.

Thanks Caput Mundi, too kind. I'll try. Concerning the stadium issue, the situation is the following. Lotito wants to build the stadium over his lands in the road Tiberina area, north of Rome. Current Rome laws do not allow any building on such lands, since they are subject to flooding by river Tevere. Nevertheless, lotito has been lobbying in the Parliament for several years to have their destination of use changed. That change would result into a huge increase (about 10 times) of the value of those lands. And on those lands, together with the stadium and exploiting the name of ss Lazio to be able to built there, he plans to build a real city, with commercial and residential buildings, for a volume reaching that of Amalfi, yielding a huge profit.

In the past years this plan was confirmed from phone calls taped by the police, and in the old forums you could still read them.

Now, since the Rome city council and recent Italian laws said "no" to lotito, the stadium project is stuck. Lazio would indeed need a new stadium, as it would yield an increase in turnover and would result into a more sound economic situation (more assets, to be used eventually as collateral). However, just a stadium means nothing to lotito.




Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Super Ram on February 02, 2014, 11:16:23 AM
So, in the end he did not really look at the stadium as an eagles' nest, as much as he looked at it as a part of a personal investment..
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Secret_Samadhi on February 02, 2014, 01:13:07 PM
So, to put it straight, Lazio is beeing hold as hostage by Lotito, for his dreams that will never happend.

Latest from Lotito:
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“I don’t buy players just to make the fans and media happy, but only to continue a serious, healthy and competitive football project.”


Eh, what project you fat fuk? 30+ player on loan, is that a project?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Rizmo on February 02, 2014, 01:17:47 PM
So, to put it straight, Lazio is beeing hold as hostage by Lotito, for his dreams that will never happend.

Latest from Lotito:
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“I don’t buy players just to make the fans and media happy, but only to continue a serious, healthy and competitive football project.”


Eh, what project you fat fuk? 30+ player on loan, is that a project?

Haha. Serious, healthy and competitive? "Serious" is not the first word crossing my mind when I think about our mercato strategies etc. Healthy? Lotito don't treat his players in a healthy way, more in an infectious way. To compete for Coppa Italia is not enough. We want to be truly competitive!

Lotito talking his usual piss in the media. Fu cking clown!
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Weninho on February 02, 2014, 02:20:21 PM
ok, so he doesn't reinvest, he's not stealing it, so where is the money ? they must be going somewhere?

the debt was huge, i doubt 5.5 mil per year will clear it in the next 40 years ... the installment has to be bigger than that

To purchase buildings in central Rome and a media archive at RAI perhaps?

It's Lotito's own words that he pays 5,5 millions a year for the dept.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Weninho on February 02, 2014, 02:57:15 PM
Then why did no one show up against Cagliari and Atalanta last year when we were second in the league?

It's too easy to blame the lack of people on Lotito, that one goes out to the fans. I think this goes for every team in Serie A. People prefer to watch football at their own home.

Look I don't applaud the gufi sitting infront of their computers insulting the players either, far from, but that doesn't only goes for Rome, it goes for this forum as well. Almost every one of us is following the team in our heart throught the TV and the majority does, I would imagine, because their respective local league didn't offer what they wanted in terms in entertainment, quality of the game and atmosphere.

Just like it's too easy to blame Lotito for those who prefer to sit and home and follow the games on Facebook, it's also too easy to sit several thousand miles away from the team and point finger at the Roman supporters and tell them how they should support their team.

I respectfully disagree. It's a massive problem that almost deserves its own topic.

I go to watch my local side play in the stadium because I like watching football live. The reason I'm not passionate about them is they were founded in 2003 and the Lazio ship had sailed for me by then. But for the guys in Rome starting online petitions and writing #liberalalazio on Facebook, what are they hoping to achieve? How about people with a 'profile' like Vincenzo Morabito telling people not to go to the stadium? I could almost take it personally since I'd be at the stadium every week regardless of Lotito, if Rome weren't $2500 away.

Trust me, I share your allergy toward people sitting in front of Facebook with a beer on game days only to shout Lotito Vattene and sign petitions. I don't think we even need to debate that.

But I will rarely point my finger toward a Roman Laziale that doesn't go to the stadium because he's fed up. I've met several people who has been around in the 80s, in Serie B, who describes the current situation as unbearable. I think the biggest problem to solve is why those men went to the stadium when we were s*it, while they don't go now. Why did so many loose their passion? Maybe I'm strange in that aspect but I don't see any point in supporting a team if you can't identify yourself with it. So to be the advocates diabolic here - what's the point in going to the stadium if you're treated like an idiot who's only job is to pay the ticket? I can understand - although don't agree - that they feel they are only contributing to make the situation even worse.

It's also difficult for a family to go to the stadium on a high risk game. No parking spaces, terrible communications, old stands, smelly toilets, drugs, empty stadium and violence. Would you bring your family? I would probably not, honestly. So I think that has to be taken into consideration before comparing to Australia and Ireland.

Don't misunderstand. I would also go to the stadium every week if I lived in Rome but that's because I fully share your view. The difference is that if someone disagrees and stays home because he lost his passion, I could not condemn that. I just don't feel I'm in a position to do that from here, even if I've been to a lot of games.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: laziocaribbean on February 02, 2014, 04:55:34 PM
Just cannot see how selling our best player to a direct rival with a year and a half left to run on his contract is anything other than terrible business.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Zouma on February 02, 2014, 05:08:59 PM
Would you rather we lost him for €4m/€5m in the summer? Despite the rubbish in the media there wasn't exactly a queue of clubs after him, he'd have probably gone to Inter in the summer too.

I'm not overjoyed we've strengthened a rival but we did well to get €17m to €20m for a guy who, the odd wonder goal aside, hasn't done all that much this season.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Roman_Eagle on February 02, 2014, 05:12:18 PM
ok, so he doesn't reinvest, he's not stealing it, so where is the money ? they must be going somewhere?

the debt was huge, i doubt 5.5 mil per year will clear it in the next 40 years ... the installment has to be bigger than that

To purchase buildings in central Rome and a media archive at RAI perhaps?

It's Lotito's own words that he pays 5,5 millions a year for the dept.

well structures will only increase Lazio's overall price, it's not a bad thing in a long term. i too don't like not buying proven players, but....i'm not the president
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on February 02, 2014, 05:16:07 PM
ok, so he doesn't reinvest, he's not stealing it, so where is the money ? they must be going somewhere?

the debt was huge, i doubt 5.5 mil per year will clear it in the next 40 years ... the installment has to be bigger than that

To purchase buildings in central Rome and a media archive at RAI perhaps?

It's Lotito's own words that he pays 5,5 millions a year for the dept.

well structures will only increase Lazio's overall price

Being a football team, the one thing that will increase Lazio's price more than anything else is improving the team. If I had shares in Lazio, I would be wanting to know why Lotito was dishing out eight figures on unused buildings and archive footage. I think I defended that move at the time, but with the benefit of hindsight, how exactly has it been of any use to Lazio?

Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Caput Mundi on February 02, 2014, 05:19:46 PM
Trust me, I share your allergy toward people sitting in front of Facebook with a beer on game days only to shout Lotito Vattene and sign petitions. I don't think we even need to debate that.

But I will rarely point my finger toward a Roman Laziale that doesn't go to the stadium because he's fed up. I've met several people who has been around in the 80s, in Serie B, who describes the current situation as unbearable. I think the biggest problem to solve is why those men went to the stadium when we were s*it, while they don't go now. Why did so many loose their passion? Maybe I'm strange in that aspect but I don't see any point in supporting a team if you can't identify yourself with it. So to be the advocates diabolic here - what's the point in going to the stadium if you're treated like an idiot who's only job is to pay the ticket? I can understand - although don't agree - that they feel they are only contributing to make the situation even worse.

It's also difficult for a family to go to the stadium on a high risk game. No parking spaces, terrible communications, old stands, smelly toilets, drugs, empty stadium and violence. Would you bring your family? I would probably not, honestly. So I think that has to be taken into consideration before comparing to Australia and Ireland.

Don't misunderstand. I would also go to the stadium every week if I lived in Rome but that's because I fully share your view. The difference is that if someone disagrees and stays home because he lost his passion, I could not condemn that. I just don't feel I'm in a position to do that from here, even if I've been to a lot of games.

Ah, well I didn't expect you to give that kind of example. That's fair enough. I would've thought guys who went in the 80s and don't go now would be a minority though and they sure won't be the demographic to use social media to encourage other Laziali to do the same.

That's the kind of attitude I hate. That there actually exist campaigns for people to turn their back on the club and its only four years ago since everyone rallied around the club to help it survive.

I read there's some sort of protest planned for the Sassuolo game where they want to attract 40-50k to the stadium, insult Lotito the whole time, audibly and visibly so the papers and TV can't ignore it and then continue it long after the final whistle blows instead of leaving. This is exactly what needs to happen and be encouraged. If everyone who has this "e' la colpa di quelli che vanno allo stadio" idea were to rock up and participate in such a thing week after week, it could have a big effect. Otherwise Lotito will sit back in his Vip chair and laugh at the 'sparuta minoranza.'

But no, I don't blame anyone who has lost some of the passion. I think most of us don't feel represented by this Lazio the way we'd like to be.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Roman_Eagle on February 02, 2014, 05:31:17 PM
ok, so he doesn't reinvest, he's not stealing it, so where is the money ? they must be going somewhere?

the debt was huge, i doubt 5.5 mil per year will clear it in the next 40 years ... the installment has to be bigger than that

To purchase buildings in central Rome and a media archive at RAI perhaps?

It's Lotito's own words that he pays 5,5 millions a year for the dept.

well structures will only increase Lazio's overall price

Being a football team, the one thing that will increase Lazio's price more than anything else is improving the team. If I had shares in Lazio, I would be wanting to know why Lotito was dishing out eight figures on unused buildings and archive footage. I think I defended that move at the time, but with the benefit of hindsight, how exactly has it been of any use to Lazio?

cause buildings are  long term assets. they increase the price of the market shares.
improving the team? ok, let's say we buy two 20mil players. the price of the team increases. one of them gets a horrible injury (God forbid that to any player, even merda's) that will take him out for one year or totally disables him. we are instantly down with 20 mil.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on February 02, 2014, 05:37:13 PM
cause buildings are  long term assets. they increase the price of the market shares.

How exactly? Shareholders are investing in a football club, not a property development.
 
improving the team? ok, let's say we buy two 20mil players. the price of the team increases. one of them gets a horrible injury (God forbid that to any player, even merda's) that will take him out for one year or totally disables him. we are instantly down with 20 mil.

No we're not, because shareholders have invested in a football team, not a football player. That player is worth 20 million on a football team while the building is worth zero to the football team.

Not only that, but say we spent 20 million on a building, well, if there was ever a property collapse in Italy, that building would be worth 5-6 million within a matter of weeks. A player who was once worth 20 million could never be worth 5-6 million in a matter of weeks.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Roman_Eagle on February 02, 2014, 05:40:28 PM
cause buildings are  long term assets. they increase the price of the market shares.

How exactly? Shareholders are investing in a football club, not a property development.
 
improving the team? ok, let's say we buy two 20mil players. the price of the team increases. one of them gets a horrible injury (God forbid that to any player, even merda's) that will take him out for one year or totally disables him. we are instantly down with 20 mil.

No we're not, because shareholders have invested in a football team, not a football player. That player is worth 20 million on a football team while the building is worth zero to the football team.

Not only that, but say we spent 20 million on a building, well, if there was ever a property collapse in Italy, that building would be worth 5-6 million within a matter of weeks. A player who was once worth 20 million could never be worth 5-6 million in a matter of weeks.

so what is a football team? according to this post it is not properties and it is not football players..
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Zouma on February 02, 2014, 05:45:13 PM
cause buildings are  long term assets. they increase the price of the market shares.

How exactly? Shareholders are investing in a football club, not a property development.
 
improving the team? ok, let's say we buy two 20mil players. the price of the team increases. one of them gets a horrible injury (God forbid that to any player, even merda's) that will take him out for one year or totally disables him. we are instantly down with 20 mil.

No we're not, because shareholders have invested in a football team, not a football player. That player is worth 20 million on a football team while the building is worth zero to the football team.

Not only that, but say we spent 20 million on a building, well, if there was ever a property collapse in Italy, that building would be worth 5-6 million within a matter of weeks. A player who was once worth 20 million could never be worth 5-6 million in a matter of weeks.

If that happens you don't sell the building, simple, the market will recover in time. Things like property are long term assets anyway, it's not as if it's going to retire in 10 years or demand a transfer to England.

Share in Lazio are shares in a company, not just a football club, buying up buildings is a way of adding assets to the company/club. As we saw with Leeds if your only assets are the players you're f*cked when things go wrong.

For what it's worth I'm not exactly overjoyed with Lotito buying up buildings and video libraries, yes their business assets but I'd rather he put 100% of his focus into getting a site for a new stadium than some project for a Lazio tv station or whatever the library was for.

Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Roman_Eagle on February 02, 2014, 05:48:37 PM
spot on, key words: long term
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on February 02, 2014, 05:54:42 PM
What are you guys on about? This seems like a daft discussion, but meh.

The building that we are presumably talking about is the old Cirio Headquarters which Lazio owned 49% of. We went out and bought the remaining 51% for 7.5 million, so we value the building at about 15 million euro and we now own it 100%.

We haven't touched the building in 18 months (to my knowledge). It's on course to become derelict. yet you guys are telling me that if we just leave it for 100 years, that it is a 'long-term investment' and that we could sell it off for what, 20 million?

People enter the property market to develop properties and sell at a profit. Lotito's job is to develop the football team, not develop properties and more to the point, he is buying properties and not developing them.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Roman_Eagle on February 02, 2014, 06:02:23 PM
someone said it is in the center of Rome. if correct only the positioning makes it expensive building.

we need to build the team - correct, but it doesn't happen without money. i see no bad trying to get it from the real estate market.

just to point out - i do think lotito can do better as a president, just don't know if he doesn't want to or he just doesn't have the brains
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Weninho on February 02, 2014, 06:08:42 PM
You forget a key aspect. The building and the media library were aquired in a time where Reja nearly got us to Champions League. You want your "long term" investment? Invest in the squad, qualify for CL, take your participation money and spend 2/5 of it your building and 3/5 of it on better players.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Weninho on February 02, 2014, 06:20:00 PM
Trust me, I share your allergy toward people sitting in front of Facebook with a beer on game days only to shout Lotito Vattene and sign petitions. I don't think we even need to debate that.

But I will rarely point my finger toward a Roman Laziale that doesn't go to the stadium because he's fed up. I've met several people who has been around in the 80s, in Serie B, who describes the current situation as unbearable. I think the biggest problem to solve is why those men went to the stadium when we were s*it, while they don't go now. Why did so many loose their passion? Maybe I'm strange in that aspect but I don't see any point in supporting a team if you can't identify yourself with it. So to be the advocates diabolic here - what's the point in going to the stadium if you're treated like an idiot who's only job is to pay the ticket? I can understand - although don't agree - that they feel they are only contributing to make the situation even worse.

It's also difficult for a family to go to the stadium on a high risk game. No parking spaces, terrible communications, old stands, smelly toilets, drugs, empty stadium and violence. Would you bring your family? I would probably not, honestly. So I think that has to be taken into consideration before comparing to Australia and Ireland.

Don't misunderstand. I would also go to the stadium every week if I lived in Rome but that's because I fully share your view. The difference is that if someone disagrees and stays home because he lost his passion, I could not condemn that. I just don't feel I'm in a position to do that from here, even if I've been to a lot of games.

Ah, well I didn't expect you to give that kind of example. That's fair enough. I would've thought guys who went in the 80s and don't go now would be a minority though and they sure won't be the demographic to use social media to encourage other Laziali to do the same.

That's the kind of attitude I hate. That there actually exist campaigns for people to turn their back on the club and its only four years ago since everyone rallied around the club to help it survive.

I read there's some sort of protest planned for the Sassuolo game where they want to attract 40-50k to the stadium, insult Lotito the whole time, audibly and visibly so the papers and TV can't ignore it and then continue it long after the final whistle blows instead of leaving. This is exactly what needs to happen and be encouraged. If everyone who has this "e' la colpa di quelli che vanno allo stadio" idea were to rock up and participate in such a thing week after week, it could have a big effect. Otherwise Lotito will sit back in his Vip chair and laugh at the 'sparuta minoranza.'

But no, I don't blame anyone who has lost some of the passion. I think most of us don't feel represented by this Lazio the way we'd like to be.

Might have been an unfair example, and I agree that they would certainly not be the proper measure stock, but it's a circle. Lazialita is about passing things on from one generation to the next. If "old" supporters walks around with a feeling that the passion is gone - that feeling ant sentiment is going to spread. I would imagine many of the callers to the radio stations going on and on about Lotito is men in that age that are fed up. And if it's ok for them to boycott, the new generation will follow. Generally speaking.

Again, I think we agree on the core. I share your view that we have a big problem with to few people going to the stadium and I would, like you, be there every week. But I don't think the problem is a simple as either you go, or you don't go. Lazio has been attracting less people every year since Lotito took over and I think the club has to take huge blame for creating that crack between the supporters. Maybe it's a selfish and antique view but I do really feel that the club has to be the first part to reach out.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on February 02, 2014, 06:20:55 PM
someone said it is in the center of Rome. if correct only the positioning makes it expensive building.

But can you explain to me how we are going to make money on it?

My guess is that, because we had a 49% stake in the building, Lotito saw it as an opportunity to make money. So he paid 7.5 million for a building that's probably worth about 15 million and even if he has to sell it for 12 million, he makes a profit.

But as it is, we have this building we've paid 7.5 million for that we don't use. At this moment in time, we've made a 7.5 million loss on it and it is being devalued as time goes by. As Johan has just said, had we taken that 7.5 million and invested it in a player, maybe we would have made Champions League and gained 40 or 50 million euro?

But my point was more straight-forward than that. I wouldn't invest in a taxi firm that used a large chunk of the previous year's profit to buy a pub. Sure, the pub could get people drunk and then they call more taxis, but what use is it if you buy a pub and keep it closed? Probably a stupid analogy for a rather pointless conversation. Had Lotito sold the building on for more than 7.5 million, I would applaud him, but instead, he has spent 7.5 million on something that's just going to waste.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Zouma on February 02, 2014, 06:26:28 PM
We may make money on the land down the line but right now I think Lotito bought it because it's a business asset that can be borrowed against. If we were to build a stadium we'll have to raise the money somehow, the more assets Lotito has the more he can borrow against.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Roman_Eagle on February 02, 2014, 06:35:31 PM
You forget a key aspect. The building and the media library were aquired in a time where Reja nearly got us to Champions League. You want your "long term" investment? Invest in the squad, qualify for CL, take your participation money and spend 2/5 of it your building and 3/5 of it on better players.

as i said he is not the best out there :) your point is valid and i agree

We may make money on the land down the line but right now I think Lotito bought it because it's a business asset that can be borrowed against. If we were to build a stadium we'll have to raise the money somehow, the more assets Lotito has the more he can borrow against.

also correct - to build a stadium you need a ton of money, how do you get it? with a loan. what the banks need to give a loan - a mortgage. i presume Lazio doesn't own any land, except Formello, and that I'm not sure either
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Eka_Baron on February 02, 2014, 07:37:28 PM
(http://i61.tinypic.com/2qmkn5x.jpg)
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Conn on February 02, 2014, 07:41:15 PM
Public statement by Curva Nord

[when i get some time i'll translate it]
Il mercato di gennaio si è chiuso con l’ennesima nostra delusione.
Mentre ci eravamo ormai abituati a campagne di non rafforzamento della squadra, questa volta la sessione invernale ha prodotto un notevole indebolimento della già mediocre rosa a disposizione di mister Reja.
La losca e dilettantistica gestione della società ad opera del dispotico duo Lotito – Tare, non finisce mai di sorprenderci in senso negativo e di rendere insanabile la frattura tra chi gestisce la S.S. Lazio 1900 e chi ne rappresenta la sua vera essenza, il suo Popolo.
La problematica reale non è costituita dalla cessione di Hernanes di per se, ma dal modo in cui tale trattativa, come del resto tante altre disastrose operazioni di mercato, è stata condotta.
Avremmo anche potuto accettare il sacrificio del giocatore più talentuoso della nostra rosa (è da anni che abbiamo smesso di credere nelle bandiere, siamo consapevoli di essere noi stessi l’unica inammainabile bandiera) a patto che i soldi del ricavato fossero stati in modo trasparente reinvestiti in un rafforzamento della squadra.
Ma così non è stato ! E ancora una volta, se mai ce ne fosse stato bisogno, è emersa la chiara definitiva volontà del presidente Claudio Lotito di lasciare la Lazio nel limbo del calcio Italiano.
Tale reiterato atteggiamento, fa sorgere a noi semplici Tifosi, il neanche tanto illecito dubbio di una gestione finalizzata a interessi economici personali. Una gestione affaristica e personalista non potrà mai collimare con l’interesse non economico generale dei Laziali, a cui sta a cuore esclusivamente il bene della Lazio.
Per noi Laziali la S.S. Lazio è uno stile di vita che ci distingue e ci unisce , è ciò che noi percepiamo come un’appartenenza tradizionalista , trasmessa da padre in figlio, che ci fa Popolo.
Lotito in questa scala di valori ha sempre dimostrato di essere un intruso mal celato.
Il bene primario della la S.S. Lazio 1900, lo dimostrano i fatti, non rientra nella sua gerarchia di valori.
Ciò risulta essere quasi un dato oggettivo se analizzato alla luce della totale chiusura verso partner finanziari e commerciali che verosimilmente avrebbero potuto immettere risorse monetarie con cui intraprendere un duraturo piano di rafforzamento tecnico della squadra.
Il ridimensionamento è ormai oggettivo, figlio di questa nebulosa gestione (sarebbe semplicistico definirla disastrosa !). Siamo arrivati al punto in cui risulta addirittura difficile trovare giocatori disposti a vestire la nostra gloriosa maglia.
La vicenda Hernanes ne è stata l’ultima dolorosa testimonianza: “Vado via, al massimo qui si può vincere la Coppa Italia”. Al giocatore, serio professionista e uomo di valore, va tutto il nostro affetto e ringraziamento. L’umanità e la disponibilità mostrata da quest’ uomo, prima che giocatore di calcio, rimarrà sempre nel cuore dei Laziali. Il “vecchio Cuore Biancazzurro” della curva Nord non ti dimenticherà, PROFETA.
Hernanes è un professionista, la maggior parte di noi al suo posto avrebbe fatto la stessa scelta. Perché rimanere a condizioni economiche meno vantaggiose ? Per giunta in una società gestita da un tiranno “de noantri”, senza un progetto definito, senza minime ambizioni di successo in ambito nazionale ed internazionale.
E’ giunta l’ora in cui il Sig. Claudio Lotito ci dia le motivazioni sul perché sono anni che la Lazio si trova senza sponsor commerciale, sul perché l’idea di costruire uno stadio di proprietà è stata abbandonata non appena la speculazione edilizia abitativa, al progetto correlata, è stata osteggiata dagli organi comunali preposti e incompatibile alle norme disciplinanti la materia stessa. E' forse la speculazione stessa il reale obiettivo ?
E’ giunta l’ora in cui il Sig. Claudio Lotito ci dia spiegazioni sul perché non ha mai preso in considerazione la possibilità di mettere in vendita la S.S. Lazio 1900 o quantomeno la possibilità d’ingresso in società di potenziali partner finanziari, di verificarne la loro esistenza sul mercato.
E’ giunta l’ora in cui il sig. Claudio Lotito ci dica chiaramente quali sono le sue reali intenzioni.
Noi non possiamo più accettare la mancanza totale di un piano di rafforzamento, non possiamo più accettare che la S.S. Lazio sia relegata a ruolo di compagine nel campionato italiano.
Non lo può accettare la nostra Storia, non lo può accettare il nostro blasone di PRIMA SQUADRA DLLA CAPITALE. Non lo possiamo accettare in quanto Popolo e Fedeli Guardiani di una tradizione che vive dal 9 Gennaio 1900.
La S.S. Lazio 1900 è patrimonio storico del suo Popolo e in esso vive, si rigenera e si fa grande.
Inoltre, teniamo a precisare, per chi ancora non l’avesse capito e scrive di fantomatiche iniziative su Fb, per il derby saremo TUTTI presenti, per stringerci con il veleno intorno alla squadra e condurla alla vittoria.
In Lazio - Sassuolo, come già stabilito, uniti e compatti esprimeremo tutto il nostro dissenso verso questa sottospecie di dirigenza. AVANTI LAZIO !


Curva Nord
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on February 02, 2014, 07:50:21 PM
A couple of things in it that I would take exception to, but otherwise, perfectly acceptable.

([url]http://i61.tinypic.com/2qmkn5x.jpg[/url])


I've seen this everywhere but can someone explain WTF this is?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Arabic Laziale on February 02, 2014, 07:51:47 PM
A couple of things in it that I would take exception to, but otherwise, perfectly acceptable.

([url]http://i61.tinypic.com/2qmkn5x.jpg[/url])


I've seen this everywhere but can someone explain WTF this is?


Revolution. The Lazio Spring.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Eka_Baron on February 02, 2014, 07:52:22 PM
Public statement by Curva Nord

[when i get some time i'll translate it]
Il mercato di gennaio si è chiuso con l’ennesima nostra delusione.
Mentre ci eravamo ormai abituati a campagne di non rafforzamento della squadra, questa volta la sessione invernale ha prodotto un notevole indebolimento della già mediocre rosa a disposizione di mister Reja.
La losca e dilettantistica gestione della società ad opera del dispotico duo Lotito – Tare, non finisce mai di sorprenderci in senso negativo e di rendere insanabile la frattura tra chi gestisce la S.S. Lazio 1900 e chi ne rappresenta la sua vera essenza, il suo Popolo.
La problematica reale non è costituita dalla cessione di Hernanes di per se, ma dal modo in cui tale trattativa, come del resto tante altre disastrose operazioni di mercato, è stata condotta.
Avremmo anche potuto accettare il sacrificio del giocatore più talentuoso della nostra rosa (è da anni che abbiamo smesso di credere nelle bandiere, siamo consapevoli di essere noi stessi l’unica inammainabile bandiera) a patto che i soldi del ricavato fossero stati in modo trasparente reinvestiti in un rafforzamento della squadra.
Ma così non è stato ! E ancora una volta, se mai ce ne fosse stato bisogno, è emersa la chiara definitiva volontà del presidente Claudio Lotito di lasciare la Lazio nel limbo del calcio Italiano.
Tale reiterato atteggiamento, fa sorgere a noi semplici Tifosi, il neanche tanto illecito dubbio di una gestione finalizzata a interessi economici personali. Una gestione affaristica e personalista non potrà mai collimare con l’interesse non economico generale dei Laziali, a cui sta a cuore esclusivamente il bene della Lazio.
Per noi Laziali la S.S. Lazio è uno stile di vita che ci distingue e ci unisce , è ciò che noi percepiamo come un’appartenenza tradizionalista , trasmessa da padre in figlio, che ci fa Popolo.
Lotito in questa scala di valori ha sempre dimostrato di essere un intruso mal celato.
Il bene primario della la S.S. Lazio 1900, lo dimostrano i fatti, non rientra nella sua gerarchia di valori.
Ciò risulta essere quasi un dato oggettivo se analizzato alla luce della totale chiusura verso partner finanziari e commerciali che verosimilmente avrebbero potuto immettere risorse monetarie con cui intraprendere un duraturo piano di rafforzamento tecnico della squadra.
Il ridimensionamento è ormai oggettivo, figlio di questa nebulosa gestione (sarebbe semplicistico definirla disastrosa !). Siamo arrivati al punto in cui risulta addirittura difficile trovare giocatori disposti a vestire la nostra gloriosa maglia.
La vicenda Hernanes ne è stata l’ultima dolorosa testimonianza: “Vado via, al massimo qui si può vincere la Coppa Italia”. Al giocatore, serio professionista e uomo di valore, va tutto il nostro affetto e ringraziamento. L’umanità e la disponibilità mostrata da quest’ uomo, prima che giocatore di calcio, rimarrà sempre nel cuore dei Laziali. Il “vecchio Cuore Biancazzurro” della curva Nord non ti dimenticherà, PROFETA.
Hernanes è un professionista, la maggior parte di noi al suo posto avrebbe fatto la stessa scelta. Perché rimanere a condizioni economiche meno vantaggiose ? Per giunta in una società gestita da un tiranno “de noantri”, senza un progetto definito, senza minime ambizioni di successo in ambito nazionale ed internazionale.
E’ giunta l’ora in cui il Sig. Claudio Lotito ci dia le motivazioni sul perché sono anni che la Lazio si trova senza sponsor commerciale, sul perché l’idea di costruire uno stadio di proprietà è stata abbandonata non appena la speculazione edilizia abitativa, al progetto correlata, è stata osteggiata dagli organi comunali preposti e incompatibile alle norme disciplinanti la materia stessa. E' forse la speculazione stessa il reale obiettivo ?
E’ giunta l’ora in cui il Sig. Claudio Lotito ci dia spiegazioni sul perché non ha mai preso in considerazione la possibilità di mettere in vendita la S.S. Lazio 1900 o quantomeno la possibilità d’ingresso in società di potenziali partner finanziari, di verificarne la loro esistenza sul mercato.
E’ giunta l’ora in cui il sig. Claudio Lotito ci dica chiaramente quali sono le sue reali intenzioni.
Noi non possiamo più accettare la mancanza totale di un piano di rafforzamento, non possiamo più accettare che la S.S. Lazio sia relegata a ruolo di compagine nel campionato italiano.
Non lo può accettare la nostra Storia, non lo può accettare il nostro blasone di PRIMA SQUADRA DLLA CAPITALE. Non lo possiamo accettare in quanto Popolo e Fedeli Guardiani di una tradizione che vive dal 9 Gennaio 1900.
La S.S. Lazio 1900 è patrimonio storico del suo Popolo e in esso vive, si rigenera e si fa grande.
Inoltre, teniamo a precisare, per chi ancora non l’avesse capito e scrive di fantomatiche iniziative su Fb, per il derby saremo TUTTI presenti, per stringerci con il veleno intorno alla squadra e condurla alla vittoria.
In Lazio - Sassuolo, come già stabilito, uniti e compatti esprimeremo tutto il nostro dissenso verso questa sottospecie di dirigenza. AVANTI LAZIO !


Curva Nord


Bravo Curva Nord! 

that statement is really like what Im feeling deep down in my heart.

#LiberaLaLazio
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on February 02, 2014, 07:53:22 PM
Strong words, but in a time like this they are relevant.

Stand together against Lotito  :Esflag:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Arabic Laziale on February 02, 2014, 07:56:48 PM
great statement indeed. hope this leads to a massive pressure on Lotito.

The People Have Responded
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on February 02, 2014, 08:06:27 PM
No, please, can someone explain to me how posting #liberalalazio on Facebook, Twitter etc. is going to achieve something? I'm intrigued. What is this campaign about? How is an online petition going to bring about change? What is with 23/02/2014 as a date? What happens then?

Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Eka_Baron on February 02, 2014, 08:11:29 PM
No, please, can someone explain to me how posting #liberalalazio on Facebook, Twitter etc. is going to achieve something? I'm intrigued. What is this campaign about? How is an online petition going to bring about change? What is with 23/02/2014 as a date? What happens then?



maybe its not making an instant change in this club.. but atleast as some are saying,we are trying to express our deepest feeling as a Laziale. its better rather than just passive and feel like everything is okay in our beloved club. something must be changed.

Strong words, but in a time like this they are relevant.

Stand together against Lotito :Esflag:

great statement indeed. hope this leads to a massive pressure on Lotito.

The People Have Responded

 :offlag:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Arabic Laziale on February 02, 2014, 08:30:48 PM
No, please, can someone explain to me how posting #liberalalazio on Facebook, Twitter etc. is going to achieve something? I'm intrigued. What is this campaign about? How is an online petition going to bring about change? What is with 23/02/2014 as a date? What happens then?

on 23/02/2014 Lazio is going to play against Sassuolo at the Olimpico. and I believe from what
i understood (pardon my weak Italian) that the fans will leave the Curva Nord empty, plus to protest against this tyrant aka Lotito.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Arabic Laziale on February 02, 2014, 08:38:01 PM
I just love how some Laziale's post things like "please buy the club, and save our history"
to some random Arabic person on twitter lol.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on February 02, 2014, 08:42:44 PM
I just love how some Laziale's post things like "please buy the club, and save our history"
to some random Arabic person on twitter lol.

To be honest, if you just spam it to everyone you're bound to find some rich oil dude  :supsmile:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Roman_Eagle on February 02, 2014, 08:48:11 PM
I just love how some Laziale's post things like "please buy the club, and save our history"
to some random Arabic person on twitter lol.

To be honest, if you just spam it to everyone you're bound to find some rich oil dude  :supsmile:

they are like 90% of the population :D
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Evesto on February 02, 2014, 09:09:08 PM
Just days before he joined Inter Reja said to the press several times Hernanes is going nowhere?
Coming from Reja i believed him as should everybody? 
Today he verified his answer by saying that Hernanes was not truthfull to him.
He already agreed terms with Inter without warning Reja or Lotito, he held his decision back untill it could not longer remain a secret in the final mercato days putting Lazio with it's back against the wall with no replacement.  Reja als stated he was given a new and very profitable contract from Lotito but did not care about the salary, he had his mind set on leaving and that was it.
If this statement had come from Lotare i wouldn't give it a second thought but again, coming from Reja i will take his word for it.  When Reja makes a statement it's based on facts, the man does not quote rumours or halftruths.

I admit that Hernanes' tears drove me towards resenting Lotito even more, now having to conclude it was only the emotion of saying goodbye to the fans and his teammates.  Lotito and Tare can be held accountable for a lot of things managing this club, but in this hernanes saga we have to conclude nothing more could be done.  He wanted to leave no matter what and luckely Lotito was able to squize out as much money as possible! 

Reja also mentioned that even with Hernanes still at the club they tried to sign Quagliarella and Giovinco this pas mercato, so we cannot complain to much about the ambition, altough there should have been signed a new and improved CB.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: usampa on February 02, 2014, 09:24:05 PM
Guys I am asking again, what is our project  :razz:



(http://s27.postimg.org/em6lbtxdv/lazio_project.png)
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: rich on February 02, 2014, 10:25:06 PM
Great picture usampa lol
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: The Undertaker on February 02, 2014, 10:40:02 PM
I guess we are too harsh on Lotito. Many complained about our old squad. Now we have youngsters how are already stepping into the team and playing first team football,we are still unhappy.

I don't like Lotito personally and I hate Tare too,but with Hernanes leaving,he didn't have any other choice.

We sold Hernanes for 20 million with 1.5 year contract,we are unhappy.

We kept Hernanes until his contract expires,we would be unhappy.

Keita proved today that we have a real gem of a player in our squad.

Lazio have a future in my eyes at least.

Lotito isn't near a great president,but I believe in this squad.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Aquile12 on February 03, 2014, 12:54:43 AM
I wish there was a way to impeach Lotito...
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Caput Mundi on February 03, 2014, 01:28:20 AM
No, please, can someone explain to me how posting #liberalalazio on Facebook, Twitter etc. is going to achieve something? I'm intrigued. What is this campaign about? How is an online petition going to bring about change? What is with 23/02/2014 as a date? What happens then?



It's what I posted about on the other page. The Sassuolo game. The aim is to get every laziale in Rome to rock up and protest loudly and visibly against Lotito so no-one from the TV networks, to the papers to the man himself can ignore it. They want to stay well beyond the 90 minutes for extra impact. The right kind of protest.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Zouma on February 03, 2014, 01:48:02 AM
No, please, can someone explain to me how posting #liberalalazio on Facebook, Twitter etc. is going to achieve something? I'm intrigued. What is this campaign about? How is an online petition going to bring about change? What is with 23/02/2014 as a date? What happens then?



It's what I posted about on the other page. The Sassuolo game. The aim is to get every laziale in Rome to rock up and protest loudly and visibly against Lotito so no-one from the TV networks, to the papers to the man himself can ignore it. They want to stay well beyond the 90 minutes for extra impact. The right kind of protest.

Good, much better for these guys to fill the stadium and shout abuse at Lotito than abandon both the Curva and the team.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Eka_Baron on February 03, 2014, 07:30:19 AM
No, please, can someone explain to me how posting #liberalalazio on Facebook, Twitter etc. is going to achieve something? I'm intrigued. What is this campaign about? How is an online petition going to bring about change? What is with 23/02/2014 as a date? What happens then?



It's what I posted about on the other page. The Sassuolo game. The aim is to get every laziale in Rome to rock up and protest loudly and visibly against Lotito so no-one from the TV networks, to the papers to the man himself can ignore it. They want to stay well beyond the 90 minutes for extra impact. The right kind of protest.


I really like the idea. Grande CN

I wish they also organized and shouting for all day long also infront of villa san sebastiano.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Nass on February 03, 2014, 09:56:03 AM
So if I understand things correctly, Lotito is waiting to prove politicians the Tevere won't overflow. That is his Lazio-project, right?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Caput Mundi on February 03, 2014, 11:26:10 AM
So if I understand things correctly, Lotito is waiting to prove politicians the Tevere won't overflow. That is his Lazio-project, right?

You can't prove that because it happens, lol.

If you want an idea of the rough area where Lotito's lands are and the proximity to the river, check this out. https://maps.google.com.au/maps?q=Via+Tiberina,+Roma,+Italia&hl=en&ll=42.05433,12.522247&spn=0.036772,0.084543&sll=42.010402,12.503986&sspn=0.073595,0.169086&hnear=Via+Tiberina,+Roma,+Italy&t=m&z=14&layer=c&cbll=42.05433,12.522247&panoid=4LvKTzVCOgerhNYHoPkAXg&cbp=12,211.11,,0,5.57

To be precise, it's at the 9.4km of that strada provinciale, the Via Tiberina.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on February 03, 2014, 02:01:35 PM
The issue I have with these protests is that the catalyst for them was the sale of Hernanes. In my opinion, his sale is potentially wonderful for the club and nobody can yet prove otherwise. We've sold him for 20 million and in his pace, a kid 10 years younger than him steps up and puts in a match-winning performance that puts many of Hernanes' recent displays to shame. Not only that, but Lotito, Tare, Reja, Hernanes - they've all came out with the same story - Hernanes requested to leave.

What is it we're protesting about anyway? Because when I see the Curva Nord praising Hernanes and making him almost the focal point of the statement, I question the logic and exactly whose side they're on. It's coming across as Lotito v Hernanes. Where's Lazio in this?

If we're talking about botched transfers, for me, the two deals that made my blood boil was 20 million for Zarate and 8 million for Felipe Anderson - two deals I sense the fans in Rome would have protested against had they fallen through.

There's certain things that we should make our voices heard about - the lack of decent communication,  the contradictions in the 'project', the investments in buildings and media footage and the stadium plan... but the sale of Hernanes?

Our formative years are between the ages of 15 and 19 and the things we identify with then are the things we carry with us in life. My guess is that these protestors are largely between the ages of 25-35 as the era their brains would have identified with was the Cragnotti era. Perhaps I'm just unfortunate that I'm 24...
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: martinese on February 03, 2014, 02:06:23 PM
Here are Lotito's latest thoughts about 'the project':
http://lazioland.com/NewsProfile.htm?NewsId=2100 (http://lazioland.com/NewsProfile.htm?NewsId=2100)
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Caput Mundi on February 03, 2014, 02:10:19 PM
The issue I have with these protests is that the catalyst for them was the sale of Hernanes. In my opinion, his sale is potentially wonderful for the club and nobody can yet prove otherwise. We've sold him for 20 million and in his pace, a kid 10 years younger than him steps up and puts in a match-winning performance that puts many of Hernanes' recent displays to shame. Not only that, but Lotito, Tare, Reja, Hernanes - they've all came out with the same story - Hernanes requested to leave.

What is it we're protesting about anyway? Because when I see the Curva Nord praising Hernanes and making him almost the focal point of the statement, I question the logic and exactly whose side they're on. It's coming across as Lotito v Hernanes. Where's Lazio in this?

If we're talking about botched transfers, for me, the two deals that made my blood boil was 20 million for Zarate and 8 million for Felipe Anderson - two deals I sense the fans in Rome would have protested against had they fallen through.

There's certain things that we should make our voices heard about - the lack of decent communication,  the contradictions in the 'project', the investments in buildings and media footage and the stadium plan... but the sale of Hernanes?

Our formative years are between the ages of 15 and 19 and the things we identify with then are the things we carry with us in life. My guess is that these protestors are largely between the ages of 25-35 as the era their brains would have identified with was the Cragnotti era. Perhaps I'm just unfortunate that I'm 24...

The Sassuolo protest was announced before Hernanes was sold.

And those things you've mentioned are listed in the Curva's statement as the key reasons behind the protest.

The last point may be true for many but as Johan rightly pointed out, a fair chunk of the Curva was around in the 80s as well. Some of their days as laziali began there.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on February 03, 2014, 02:14:09 PM
The Sassuolo protest was announced before Hernanes was sold.

Before there was even any mention of Hernanes getting sold? I very much doubt it. So what's the protest about then?

Like I said, the Curva Nord statement was very acceptable, but Hernanes' name should not have been in the statement whatsoever.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Caput Mundi on February 03, 2014, 02:17:17 PM
The Sassuolo protest was announced before Hernanes was sold.


Before there was even any mention of Hernanes getting sold? I very much doubt it. So what's the protest about then?

Like I said, the Curva Nord statement was very acceptable, but Hernanes' name should not have been in the statement whatsoever.


There's a 14 page thread on it here, started on January 23rd: http://www.forumlazioultras.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=18993 (http://www.forumlazioultras.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=18993)

And yeah, the mention of Hernanes has drawn a bit of contention. I don't think the reference to "already weak squad" should've been included because it detracts from the main point but they do like to write their statements with very colourful language.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: drazvan on February 03, 2014, 02:19:52 PM
I dont really have an issue with selling Hernanes, though of course I was in favor of him and would have been great if he would have decided to stay. For me, he said it pretty clear: he thinks we cannot achieve much, he needs to go - I can understand that. However his choice of moving to Inter I dont really get as I dont think Inter will be a club for him. But that is another story. Point is: I believe in Felipe Anderson and I do think that with the right coaching he will become better than Hernanes. I hope Reja helps him and I hope he confirms. So I agree with this part: Hernanes left for good money, his sale allows Felipe and keita to get more free time.

Where I have a problem is the way Hernanes left. So basically we knew 6 months upfront that he wants to move to a bigger club. In my opinion we should have sold him on the first mercato day and get the money and time to focus on more important things. The whole soap opera left us in principle without any defensive reinforcement. This was the main problem of this team: the defense. We had enough backup for Hernanes. We should have focus on the defense instead of making desperate bids for Biabiany, I would have go for Palletta for example or somebody like Zaccardo or other names (Cannavaro, Gamberini, etc). We've already done good with Postiga in my opinion, he is more than enough cover for Floccari.
Tare said it: we wanted to buy somebody because Ederson got injured. Well that contradicts a bit Lotito's words, no? Ederson is injured but you still have Mauri back and Keita and Felipe Anderson. You say you want to focus on youth. Then why hunt an oldie in the last mercato days?

Anyhow, all in all I dont think that Hernanes's departure will affect us so much from the technical perspective. It will probably enable more playtime from some players and we might get some pleasant surprises. Even Biglia might take advantage of it as I've always said that Hernanes was a bit in his way all the time. What Hernanes's departure triggered was a series of contradictions that made us all think about where this club is going. Thats why people are angry. Not because Hernanes left. but because one day Lotito says that we are fighting for CL, next day Tare says that we are not good enough, then he changes his mind, then Lotito changes his mind, then we dont help the team where it needs most help (defense) and concentrate on getting the most money out of 2 deals which should have been long arranged.


Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: drazvan on February 03, 2014, 02:25:28 PM
The Sassuolo protest was announced before Hernanes was sold.

Before there was even any mention of Hernanes getting sold? I very much doubt it. So what's the protest about then?

Like I said, the Curva Nord statement was very acceptable, but Hernanes' name should not have been in the statement whatsoever.

I think the protest is against our management's lack of strategy. Lotito says now "we will focus on youngsters" and it is easy to say this when Keita just scored etc. But until we were forced lets not forget that Keita was not getting playtime and same for Cavanda, Felipe, Perea, Onazi, etc. All were getting in only when there was no other option. So of course, now that Hernanes was sold and Ederson is injured and we could only bring Kakuta, it is easy for Lotito to say that "our strategy is to focus on youngsters". Why didnt he say this at the begining of the season? That's why people want to protest. Because our president is a politicioan fox and will say whatever to make himslef look good.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on February 03, 2014, 02:30:10 PM
There's a 14 page thread on it here, started on January 23rd: [url]http://www.forumlazioultras.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=18993[/url] ([url]http://www.forumlazioultras.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=18993[/url])

And yeah, the mention of Hernanes has drawn a bit of contention. I don't think the reference to "already weak squad" should've been included because it detracts from the main point but they do like to write their statements with very colourful language.


So basically, the keyboard warriors have latched onto this protest and in all likelihood, it's going to fall a little flatter than anticipated, because while the protest is underway, most fans are going to be sitting in front of their TV tweeting #liberalalazio on their phones.

I don't mind the protest at all - it's a correct way to go about things (I still think best approach is to kindly corner Lotito and ask for a face-to-face discussion). It's just the fact that the protest has taken off because of Hernanes. Now it seems a bit... well, chaotic and meaningless, and I guess that's bad luck more than anything else.

I think the protest is against our management's lack of strategy. Lotito says now "we will focus on youngsters" and it is easy to say this when Keita just scored etc. But until we were forced lets not forget that Keita was not getting playtime and same for Cavanda, Felipe, Perea, Onazi, etc. All were getting in only when there was no other option. So of course, now that Hernanes was sold and Ederson is injured and we could only bring Kakuta, it is easy for Lotito to say that "our strategy is to focus on youngsters". Why didnt he say this at the begining of the season? That's why people want to protest. Because our president is a politicioan fox and will say whatever to make himslef look good.


In the budget released in early September, there is talk of significant investment in the youth sector. But most fans don't take the time to download the budget and read our objectives. It's right there on the website.

Also, Reja has made it clear that developing the youth is one of his objectives and he made it clear before Hernanes was sold.

The questions people should be asking in my opinion is - if youth is the policy - why did we chase Quagliarella and Matri and why have we signed Postiga? But I really feel these questions are beyond a lot of people because they don't have the patience to just stop and think.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on February 03, 2014, 02:33:12 PM
I'm on a mobile now..can you mention the specifics of the youth investments caxi?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Caput Mundi on February 03, 2014, 02:36:25 PM
There's a 14 page thread on it here, started on January 23rd: [url]http://www.forumlazioultras.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=18993[/url] ([url]http://www.forumlazioultras.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=18993[/url])

And yeah, the mention of Hernanes has drawn a bit of contention. I don't think the reference to "already weak squad" should've been included because it detracts from the main point but they do like to write their statements with very colourful language.


So basically, the keyboard warriors have latched onto this protest and in all likelihood, it's going to fall a little flatter than anticipated, because while the protest is underway, most fans are going to be sitting in front of their TV tweeting #liberalalazio on their phones.

I don't mind the protest at all - it's a correct way to go about things (I still think best approach is to kindly corner Lotito and ask for a face-to-face discussion). It's just the fact that the protest has taken off because of Hernanes. Now it seems a bit... well, chaotic and meaningless, and I guess that's bad luck more than anything else.


I get what you're saying but I think, in a twisted way, it will only help the protest. If Hernanes hadn't been sold and we'd signed some useless but shiny new toy on the last day like Biabiany or whoever, the protest would've just been Curva Nord and nobody else, rendering it pointless.

Now that its gaining momentum, it will actually gather the numbers it needs.

Lotito would never meet with the fans because he couldn't care less about them. I think the protest is more designed at forcing the media to heap pressure on the guy because he brushes off whatever criticism the people hand him.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on February 03, 2014, 02:47:51 PM
I get what you're saying but I think, in a twisted way, it will only help the protest. If Hernanes hadn't been sold and we'd signed some useless but shiny new toy on the last day like Biabiany or whoever, the protest would've just been Curva Nord and nobody else, rendering it pointless.

Now that its gaining momentum, it will actually gather the numbers it needs.

Lotito would never meet with the fans because he couldn't care less about them. I think the protest is more designed at forcing the media to heap pressure on the guy because he brushes off whatever criticism the people hand him.

It shouldn't help the protest because when the media report it, it will about the sale of Hernanes, which does nothing to highlight our issues.

Also, I don't think there's any point in saying 'Lotito would never...'. You would also say 'Lotito would never sell Lazio', but we're still trying right? If we're trying to do the impossible, it's better to confront the guy until he gives in - like you say, he doesn't care about the fans, and he doesn't care about the media, so how exactly does this work?

I am at least glad that the protest involves going to the stadium. I know my comments were not popular 4-5 years ago, but those stadium no shows really has a massive impact on the atmosphere within Formello.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Caput Mundi on February 03, 2014, 02:52:22 PM
I get what you're saying but I think, in a twisted way, it will only help the protest. If Hernanes hadn't been sold and we'd signed some useless but shiny new toy on the last day like Biabiany or whoever, the protest would've just been Curva Nord and nobody else, rendering it pointless.

Now that its gaining momentum, it will actually gather the numbers it needs.

Lotito would never meet with the fans because he couldn't care less about them. I think the protest is more designed at forcing the media to heap pressure on the guy because he brushes off whatever criticism the people hand him.

It shouldn't help the protest because when the media report it, it will about the sale of Hernanes, which does nothing to highlight our issues.

Also, I don't think there's any point in saying 'Lotito would never...'. You would also say 'Lotito would never sell Lazio', but we're still trying right? If we're trying to do the impossible, it's better to confront the guy until he gives in - like you say, he doesn't care about the fans, and he doesn't care about the media, so how exactly does this work?

I am at least glad that the protest involves going to the stadium. I know my comments were not popular 4-5 years ago, but those stadium no shows really has a massive impact on the atmosphere within Formello.

He doesn't care about the media itself but he cares about his power and status and the more he is portrayed as an old fool whom nobody wants around, the less chance he has of having laws changed and doing property deals etc.

Rome works differently to most of the western world. Remember we partly owe our continued existence to the fact the authorities considered it a threat to public order if we went bust in 2004 or were relegated in 2006.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: drazvan on February 03, 2014, 02:54:18 PM
I agree with you, Cathal. an empty stadium affects the players the most. a protest inside the stadium can be correctly directed to the management. However at this point the team is doing ok and a win in the derby could work magic and could make all the protests go away. I mean there is little point in protesting when the team is second behind Juve in the 2014 standings. Or maybe a protest at this point would prove that the actual anger is not directly at the players, but at our management.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Jofo on February 03, 2014, 05:38:45 PM
Caxi if you don't support the fans and their protest please don't belittle them.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on February 03, 2014, 05:50:51 PM
Caxi if you don't support the fans and their protest please don't belittle them.

Come again?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Evesto on February 03, 2014, 05:55:32 PM
Lotito clearly stated today there is a project for the future and they are always looking at young players from now on.  I think that's very clear, it could be a little more transparent if offcourse, but we all know Lotito, this is already a lot of info for him.

Protesting and making treats now would not be smart, the team is in a good place and especially mentaly.  They need to see and feel support and a lot of jeering fans in the stadium.
We need every 3 points for the rest of the season!

If Lotito fails in the summer mercato to bring the needed reinforcements and complete the signing of Djordjevic then it's time to protest big time  :sevil:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Arabic Laziale on February 03, 2014, 06:31:56 PM
Lotito and the word project or plan can't be together in the same sentence. his statements are basically copy/paste from previous years. 
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Evesto on February 03, 2014, 10:36:39 PM
Lotito and the word project or plan can't be together in the same sentence. his statements are basically copy/paste from previous years.

Easy to say that, but without considering every detail?
The problem with Lotito is his management and negotiating style, also not being transparent with plans towards the fans.
This aside and like it or not there is a project (as i said) but it's not executed according to the necessary standards.  The plan now (and it's the only one possible, no genius needed for that) is to mix promissing youth with experienced players until the entire squad gets rejuvenated. 
With Lotito this offcourse will take longer then normal but somehow we will get there.

It's not like he's not serieus about it, i mean 9mill was payed for 19y old Anderson at the time (20 now).  Keita (19) is in the first squad, Perea (20), Onazi (21), Crecco (18) is about to get some chances and Elez is probably on the verge.  You cannot ignore things are changing. 
Dias (34) & Biava (36) & Klose (35) or (normally) on their last season with squad, after that the age average will start dropping.  Then there's just the older Mauri (34) left.
The rest of the first team will then be in there late twenties or 30-31, wich is ideal to play with the younger ones and pass on the experience.  Both are always needed, you can't put on a squad of 22y olds and expect everything that's needed, look at PSV, all young talents but far from stabil.

I know with Lotito the negativity is always easely triggered with the fans and that's mostly his fault, he get's my blood boiling also, but certain changes will force themselves.

 :offlag:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Secret_Samadhi on February 04, 2014, 12:15:28 AM
Lotito, minacce al telefono (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwayjRi48nc#)
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: inhocsignovinces on February 04, 2014, 04:41:51 AM
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/02/03/uk-soccer-italy-lazio-idUKBREA121JD20140203?feedType=RSS&feedName=sportsNews (http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/02/03/uk-soccer-italy-lazio-idUKBREA121JD20140203?feedType=RSS&feedName=sportsNews)


Reuters) - Lazio president Claudio Lotito has received more than 50 death threats since the club sold midfielder Hernanes to Inter Milan at the end of the January transfer window, he said on Monday.

"Yesterday, I received between 50 to 70 to 80 telephone calls from pseudo-fans, in which they asked me to leave Lazio and made death threats against me," he told reporters.

"I live under escort," he added. "The supporters are part of the club but now they have overstepped the mark."
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Super Ram on February 04, 2014, 07:23:06 AM
Someone should do this to him...

(https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/8021101824/h0B1596B8/)
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Evesto on February 04, 2014, 09:55:20 AM
[url]http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/02/03/uk-soccer-italy-lazio-idUKBREA121JD20140203?feedType=RSS&feedName=sportsNews[/url] ([url]http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/02/03/uk-soccer-italy-lazio-idUKBREA121JD20140203?feedType=RSS&feedName=sportsNews[/url])


Reuters) - Lazio president Claudio Lotito has received more than 50 death threats since the club sold midfielder Hernanes to Inter Milan at the end of the January transfer window, he said on Monday.

"Yesterday, I received between 50 to 70 to 80 telephone calls from pseudo-fans, in which they asked me to leave Lazio and made death threats against me," he told reporters.

"I live under escort," he added. "The supporters are part of the club but now they have overstepped the mark."


Making death-threats on his phone is completely ignorant, that will get us nowhere and it's over the top.
I have no problem with civilized protests and fanclubletters, we do not honour our beloved club by behaving like street-hoodlums.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Caput Mundi on February 04, 2014, 12:10:07 PM
How do you know he actually received death threats? He'd say that regardless, hence why it's just completely unrealistic to expect him to sit down with fans.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Evesto on February 06, 2014, 03:02:48 PM
I'm clearly not a Lotito fan also, as many on this forum but i am someone who will admit to have made a missjudgement in the past.
Just recently we've discussed the lack of ambiton and Lotito wanting to be a mediocre club in the Serie A.
Also it was stated that he did not look happy after winning the Coppa final last year but did look very amused with Salernitana promoting.

Today one (SSL1900, lazio fans belgio) you can see the footage of some players and Lotito with Tare after the final wistle that day (i was to busy going nuts that moment).  I never saw those first reactions before, but seeing them now i have to be honest and admit Lotito & Tare were both extatic with joy!

Blob 27/5/2013 Ultimo Minuto Derby Coppa Italia Lazio (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CL9AcpEOxsU#)
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Evesto on February 22, 2014, 01:45:10 PM
There was an interview wit Pulice former GK of Lazio.  He says he knows Lotito very well personally and that he has restored financial security to the club, Lazio now has nothing to worry about concerning moneys.  On the other hand he says Lotito never takes advice from anybody and is the sole decisionmaker at the club.  He has an obligation to bring the squad back on track but he tolarates no interference from anybody.  Pulice said he still adores the colours but he will never set a foot back in Formella as long as Lotito is running the show!

I think this says it all     :ohnoo:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: phantomm1976 on February 22, 2014, 06:05:57 PM
 Nothing new,we are not surprised.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Jofo on February 22, 2014, 09:46:05 PM
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Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on February 23, 2014, 11:43:53 PM
Lotito speaks:

http://cittaceleste.it/notizie/notizia/18877-sky-sport-parla-lotito (http://cittaceleste.it/notizie/notizia/18877-sky-sport-parla-lotito)

He will not sell and the club will go to his son when he " retires "...

Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Hadi Van Der Vaart on February 23, 2014, 11:54:32 PM
Never hear about his son and actually, never know about his family.
Does his son involve in the club so far?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Eka_Baron on February 24, 2014, 12:16:10 AM
([url]https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/t1/1966856_538385772944227_200560821_n.jpg[/url])


(http://i57.tinypic.com/t9il46.jpg)
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Mark on February 24, 2014, 09:06:27 AM
Clear signal of the fans yesterday.
At least Lotito can not hide anymore behind the phrase that the majority of Lazio fans support him.
Don't know the ins and out of everything thing that Lotito does but this is clearly a clear statement of disapproval. I would not be surprised in the least if Lotito uses Lazio as a cover and means to an end for his shady deals, that is unfortunately the world in which we live nowadays politicians and business people getting advantage over our backs. I am not sure though if at this moment in time there is a real alternative to Lotito, previous take over options never materialized. Ideally we would be fan owned I quess.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ArmLaziale on February 24, 2014, 09:25:58 AM
We always try to keep the politics out of football in this forum and I think it's naive to deny the affection on football in general. It's been like that since the early days of the game, we don't need to go too far to confirm this theory - Mussolini. Not much has changed, Azerbaijan's president plays millions to Atletico as sponsors and their recent gaffe of adding a black stripe to the victims of Khojaly, which is not absurd, but ridiculous and the hypocricy of certain people is beyond believe, but the naive mass buys it...anyway this is off topic.

The point is, the fans can protest as the casual mob in streets against government but it has to be really, really serious in order to change something significant, lotito doesn't give a F about  protests like this, because he knows the next match it's all going to be quiet. Not underestimating what the fans do in Rome, we all have families and life which are more important than football, but it has to be more serious and more importantly with consistency.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Secret_Samadhi on February 24, 2014, 12:05:13 PM
I aldo hope it's not a one time thing, that protest will go on for the rest of the season. So the question is, what is the next move? Is there a next move?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: The Undertaker on February 24, 2014, 12:29:46 PM
I believe Lotito didn't give a damn about the protests yesterday although he had bodyguards around him... Fear has got into him.

LIBERA LA LAZIO!  :stendvl:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: inhocsignovinces on February 24, 2014, 05:00:54 PM
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Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: drazvan on February 24, 2014, 05:31:41 PM
In my opinion Lotito is not a bad president for an average mid-table club. Some teams would be happy to have him: he invests reasonably, he assures financial security, he interfears only when really needed. Sure, there is a price for it: you have to give up the team spirit and ambition. Lotito's perfect player is the quiet and hard working one, who does not dream of winning the title, but is happy with an average performance for an average salary. Add more and more of this type of players and slowly the lack of ambition propagates in the whole team. Sure, from time to time a certain element will fail to stay in the pattern and it needs to be corrected usualy by a sale. But again, a reasonable quality remains so that mid-table status will easily be achieved.

The problem is that we are not just a mid-table club. At least I refuse to think that and the supporters in Rome refuse it too. The whole point of suffering the past 10 years was to come out stronger, not weaker. Cause what is the point of financial stability when you give up ur hopes as a price? How can you be proud to support a team that does just "good enough" and does not aim for more? How can you be happy to see stagnation year after year?

In my opinion, we find ourselves at a decisive moment, a moment when we can say: We want more! I hope Lotito will understand it and do something about it. If not, he should leave and we should either find somebody who can support our dreams or go down with pride.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Evesto on February 24, 2014, 07:52:40 PM
I was also half and half in my opinion of Lotito the last couple of years.  Yes he's good for financial stability, investments and does not interfear much with the team like Drazvan said.  He said yesterday he personally took the club out of debt and therefor the club belongs to him now.  But clearly he's not a Laziale, there's no ambition and drive to make the most out of the club, for him it's only a matter of status.  He ownes a Serie A club and this opens many doors, he will never give up that luxuary unless a massive bid would come in for takeover.  He says to be proud of the improved training facilities and the highly talented primavera, the 2 coppa's and the supercoppa.  He stated no ambition whatsoever to ad more silverware ???

Last night he surprised me even more by increasing ticket prices so the protesting laziali would thin out a little bit.  I think as president you can get any lower then that, trying to deprive the fan of their match, thesame fan who's the backbone of the club and the only reason it exists.  I think that's the final straw.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: inhocsignovinces on February 24, 2014, 08:31:33 PM
This is absolute stupid thinking (not on you gentleman's part, but on Lotito's part), if not playing to win...what are you playing for? An investment? To keep making money? Why do you think Against Modern Football is gaining so much traction? Because of owners like Lotito who treat our God given game like a ****ing business. I understand there is room for business concerns, but there is also great importance on playing to ****ing win, it's the spirit of the players and the spirit of the supporters, we have something in common in that we want to ****ing win. But Lotito does not have that desire, and for that, he is the perfect modern football owner. I could see if we were a Sassuolo or a Livorno, yeah, you have to work with what you have, and sometimes playing a business perspective is key in moving up to a more respectable status...but WE ARE LAZIO. THE FIRST CLUB OF ROME. Have some ****ing pride and humble yourself you fat pig, you are only temporary, the supporters and the club are forever.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Conn on February 24, 2014, 09:09:20 PM

The point is, the fans can protest as the casual mob in streets against government but it has to be really, really serious in order to change something significant, lotito doesn't give a F about  protests like this, because he knows the next match it's all going to be quiet. Not underestimating what the fans do in Rome, we all have families and life which are more important than football, but it has to be more serious and more importantly with consistency.

I don't think that lotito doesn't give a damn about a protest like yesterday. He appeared at the TV and he was visibly hit by it. It was a huge, impressive demonstration, something like that never happened before in Italy and it's ways too early to say it has been like fresh water  :vcool:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on February 24, 2014, 11:26:53 PM
Even if this has no impact or end result, the protest was still a success in my opinion. Sometimes a man must speak up, even when facing an enemy that he cannot overpower. Better to do that, than bend over and take it up the arse.

Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Evesto on February 24, 2014, 11:35:31 PM
Even if this has no impact or end result, the protest was still a success in my opinion. Sometimes a man must speak up, even when facing an enemy that he cannot overpower. Better to do that, than bend over and take it up the arse.

That's right, he can act and show that it doesn't effect him and say the club belongs to him but this kind of powerfull protest does effect him because i doesn't look good and hurts his image.  We can only hope that this would motivate him a little bit more to make some more quality transfers in the future, you never know .....
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Rizmo on February 25, 2014, 01:11:31 AM

The point is, the fans can protest as the casual mob in streets against government but it has to be really, really serious in order to change something significant, lotito doesn't give a F about  protests like this, because he knows the next match it's all going to be quiet. Not underestimating what the fans do in Rome, we all have families and life which are more important than football, but it has to be more serious and more importantly with consistency.

I don't think that lotito doesn't give a damn about a protest like yesterday. He appeared at the TV and he was visibly hit by it. It was a huge, impressive demonstration, something like that never happened before in Italy and it's ways too early to say it has been like fresh water  :vcool:

Why can't this protest be done every home game for the rest of the season? Just save the signs and bring them to every home game! It was massive, even my TV commentator were blown away. If it's done everytime it will send even stronger signals.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: phantomm1976 on February 25, 2014, 12:58:22 PM
 I hope that this pressure will helped us but hard, because he is simply SH.(without personality).
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: usampa on February 25, 2014, 01:12:50 PM
He brought his son to the table, I am not sure he will continue to play tough when people start menacing him as well...
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Giolazio on February 25, 2014, 03:28:33 PM
It should be done every home game. It's a win-win in the sense that Lotito cannot hide from it plus the players all said that they enjoyed so many fans in the stadium. It is the perfect 'protest' to show the club they care and want it back rather than the no-show protests.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: The Undertaker on February 25, 2014, 04:08:43 PM
VAFFANCULO,VAFFANCULO LOTITOOOOO LOTITOOOO !
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Evesto on February 25, 2014, 09:01:09 PM
It's rumoured further protest would be boycotting the home game against Atalanta?
I hope that is not true, empty stands would not motivate our players.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ArmLaziale on February 26, 2014, 06:21:27 AM
It should be done every home game. It's a win-win in the sense that Lotito cannot hide from it plus the players all said that they enjoyed so many fans in the stadium. It is the perfect 'protest' to show the club they care and want it back rather than the no-show protests.
The players, Reja, all of them commented about the atmosphere at the game against Sassuolo, yes, they were cheering against lotito but they show how much they care about the club and that's something players need to see for more determination.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Super Ram on February 26, 2014, 06:52:18 AM
Protests alone will not be enough.. sure it puts great pressure on him, but the guy owns the majority of shares in the club and nothing and no one can force him to sell such shares..
Is it possible to take legal action against him for mismanaging the club? I know he will present the accounts since he took over, and how he managed to save Lazio economically, but that doesn't give him the right to turn the team to a mid-table club at best..
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Rizmo on February 26, 2014, 09:17:42 AM
Protests alone will not be enough.. sure it puts great pressure on him, but the guy owns the majority of shares in the club and nothing and no one can force him to sell such shares..
Is it possible to take legal action against him for mismanaging the club? I know he will present the accounts since he took over, and how he managed to save Lazio economically, but that doesn't give him the right to turn the team to a mid-table club at best..

Don't think legal actions will lead anywhere. As you say, he's got everything on his side with economics etc. A judge wouldn't care about the fans being upset for being a mid table club. In the legal world he can do what he wants because he's the majority shareholder.

 :wuzz:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Giolazio on February 26, 2014, 11:14:57 AM
Protests alone will not be enough.. sure it puts great pressure on him, but the guy owns the majority of shares in the club and nothing and no one can force him to sell such shares..
Is it possible to take legal action against him for mismanaging the club? I know he will present the accounts since he took over, and how he managed to save Lazio economically, but that doesn't give him the right to turn the team to a mid-table club at best..

There is absolutely no way anyone could sue Lotito for mismanagement. Mismanagement would be Lotito not paying the debts, keeping the income and forcing the club to go bankrupt. Football is now a business and unfortunately for us, numbers show, he is running a good business. Business and friends don't mix they say - seems to be Lotito's favourite quote.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: RhaegarTargaryen1900 on February 26, 2014, 06:04:04 PM
chorus from the CN

LOTITO... LA SENTI QUESTA VOCE??? (23/02/14, Lazio-Sassuolo, canta tutto lo stadio) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hp516Pd_nQ#)

vision of choreography from the southside (distinti est)

Lazio-Sassuolo LIBERA LA LAZIO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iUlHVkKXmo#)


some picts of the stadium

(https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1/577382_235049863345853_827085830_n.jpg)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t1/q71/s720x720/1912322_10152057410609667_1581874537_n.jpg)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/t1/q71/s720x720/1010994_601639553251958_264943477_n.jpg)

(https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t31/q71/s720x720/1965490_10151979782420949_178717909_o.jpg)

demonstration out of the stadium (4000 persons)

(https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t1/q71/s720x720/15115_787032807993582_510678757_n.jpg)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1/p180x540/1798697_601314846617762_1015157928_n.jpg)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/t1/1000277_719824218047847_833526194_n.jpg)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/t1/q71/s720x720/1012080_620290214686183_976680410_n.jpg)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/t1/p180x540/1901276_620299328018605_884214705_n.jpg)

(https://scontent-b-cdg.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/t1/p720x720/1618649_620309361350935_708126609_n.jpg)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1/q71/s720x720/1507127_620322348016303_942513582_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Aquile12 on February 27, 2014, 01:35:47 AM
We've made our point, but now it's a waiting game to see whether Lotito listens to us or not.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: emhad on February 27, 2014, 05:46:51 AM
We've made our point, but now it's a waiting game to see whether Lotito listens to us or not.

he wont...no doubt.. :fingerup:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: phantomm1976 on February 27, 2014, 10:35:14 AM
 Great pict ,choreography-perfect  :offlag:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Evesto on March 02, 2014, 02:13:54 PM
We payed 10mill for Biglia instead of the reported 6-7mill at first.

This also raises questions on how much Hernanes went?  It could be much lower then we can imagine, at Lazio it's suggested in total around 20mill, but several transfersites keep insisting it was around 13-14mill at most.  We also got ripped on this. 

We payed to much for Biglia and got to less for Hernanes, great management again Lotito !!!  :bravo:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on March 11, 2014, 04:02:08 PM
Spaletti sacked from Zenit despite having a somewhat decent season.

Someone we should look at for replacing Reja in the summer?

His merda past may be hard for people to accept.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Secret_Samadhi on March 12, 2014, 03:22:31 PM
Latest from Lotito:

Quote
“With regards to that, we’ll try and add to multiple positions. We’ll bring in high-level players – ones that the fans will know.

“I won’t just buy to buy though. We have a project here.”


Yeah right.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: The Undertaker on March 12, 2014, 04:04:16 PM
Latest from Lotito:

Quote
“With regards to that, we’ll try and add to multiple positions. We’ll bring in high-level players – ones that the fans will know.

“I won’t just buy to buy though. We have a project here.”


Yeah right.

We are still waiting for the 3 champions.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: valdanito on March 26, 2014, 11:53:41 PM
http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/roma/?action=read&idnet=dm9jZWdpYWxsb3Jvc3NhLml0LTY4MzEw (http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/roma/?action=read&idnet=dm9jZWdpYWxsb3Jvc3NhLml0LTY4MzEw)


thank you lolito
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: hamid on March 29, 2014, 02:28:41 PM
Since Lotito's son is going to be the next president of S.S.Lazio, has anyone ever seen a picture of him? Just curious how he looks like, you know! :whistle:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Ed on March 29, 2014, 02:45:33 PM
Is this him?

(http://gazetadita.al/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Igli-Tare.jpg)

Or was the comedy "Mr Zamma" actually the son? I can see a resemblance!

(http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/1972/dsc5108a.jpg)

Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Manuel Silva on March 29, 2014, 03:15:43 PM
Since Lotito's son is going to be the next president of S.S.Lazio, has anyone ever seen a picture of him? Just curious how he looks like, you know! :whistle:
There was a boy sitting next to Lotito one Lazio game I watched some time ago. I don't remember when or which game it was. I had that "like father, like son"-feeling when i saw him, such an uncanny resemblance between them. He can't be older than a teenager I pressume.
Just an observation I made and it could have been anybody else.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on April 19, 2014, 05:29:34 PM
Great team you built Lotito..well done..Bravissimo  :supsmile:

Fuc kin asstard shithead president...
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Eka_Baron on May 15, 2014, 07:54:18 AM
C'E' SOLO UN PRESIDENTE - SERGIO CRAGNOTTI - DI PADRE IN FIGLIO (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1ubeu7)


(http://i57.tinypic.com/14sjpzk.jpg)
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on May 17, 2014, 01:47:47 AM
Lotito.. What a ****ing prick...
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Amir on May 20, 2014, 09:07:12 AM
Today could be a very important day:

Lotito (and Tare) are expected to meet with Edy Reja and agree how to move forward.

If we believe to today`s edition of Gazzetta Delo Sport, Lotito decided than every player in the roster is available for sale and that every incoming bid for them will be carefully evaluated.

On the other hand, Reja is expected to ask concrete and quality signining, in particular in defense before committing to the next season or promising certain results.

The meeting was supposed to have taken place yesterday, but it was postponed for today in the afternoon/evening hours.

So, we will know more come tomorrow morning.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: phantomm1976 on May 20, 2014, 03:20:28 PM
 So not only Marcheti-Lulic but we can lose also every quality player of the team(Candreva-Radu-Biglia-Keita)....
 
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: SSL.Galles on May 20, 2014, 04:23:52 PM
I think he means every player has his price - that no one is safe from being sold.
My guess is there`ll be promises of more bizarre part owned players and loan with option to buy on performance deals.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Evesto on May 20, 2014, 04:38:58 PM
I must say i'm not suprised.  Last year certain players tought they were unreplaceble and these players had a lot of unmotivated and lazy performances this season.
I'm especially thinking of Konko, Cana & Radu.
In their cases Lotito is right in my opinon to not refuse a bid, if a decent one would come in?
I would rather have 3 replacements with a little less talent but with motivation, spirit & attitude then seeing these 3 perform next season like they have in the recent months.

For sale in my opinion : Konko - Radu - Ciani - Novaretti - Cana - Ederson - Marchetti - Cavanda

We really don't need these to have a better season after the summer!
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: MilanChe on May 20, 2014, 10:47:39 PM
I don't know... I think Cana was one of the (few) players that gave their best when playing, at least I saw it that way
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on May 27, 2014, 07:39:47 PM
(https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/t1.0-9/10303871_704310976295184_2569097850022762086_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: rich on June 16, 2014, 02:39:41 PM
http://app.football-italia.net/?referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.football-italia.net%2F50612%2F%25E2%2580%2598lazio-fight-champions-league%25E2%2580%2599#article/footballitalia-50612 (http://app.football-italia.net/?referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.football-italia.net%2F50612%2F%25E2%2580%2598lazio-fight-champions-league%25E2%2580%2599#article/footballitalia-50612)


he knows best
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: The Undertaker on June 16, 2014, 07:26:20 PM
[url]http://app.football-italia.net/?referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.football-italia.net%2F50612%2F%25E2%2580%2598lazio-fight-champions-league%25E2%2580%2599#article/footballitalia-50612[/url] ([url]http://app.football-italia.net/?referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.football-italia.net%2F50612%2F%25E2%2580%2598lazio-fight-champions-league%25E2%2580%2599#article/footballitalia-50612[/url])


he knows best


“I can assure the fans that what will come will be a year of change.”

Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: drazvan on June 16, 2014, 09:03:40 PM
[url]http://app.football-italia.net/?referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.football-italia.net%2F50612%2F%25E2%2580%2598lazio-fight-champions-league%25E2%2580%2599#article/footballitalia-50612[/url] ([url]http://app.football-italia.net/?referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.football-italia.net%2F50612%2F%25E2%2580%2598lazio-fight-champions-league%25E2%2580%2599#article/footballitalia-50612[/url])


he knows best


“I can assure the fans that what will come will be a year of change.”



Yeah, we will change few coaches and go down. Fat pig.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: The Undertaker on June 16, 2014, 09:41:40 PM
[url]http://app.football-italia.net/?referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.football-italia.net%2F50612%2F%25E2%2580%2598lazio-fight-champions-league%25E2%2580%2599#article/footballitalia-50612[/url] ([url]http://app.football-italia.net/?referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.football-italia.net%2F50612%2F%25E2%2580%2598lazio-fight-champions-league%25E2%2580%2599#article/footballitalia-50612[/url])


he knows best


“I can assure the fans that what will come will be a year of change.”



Yeah, we will change few coaches and go down. Fat pig.


What pigs have done to you and compare them to Lotito???
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on June 16, 2014, 09:44:00 PM
Yeah why insult pigs..they give us bacon? ain't that good enough for you guys anymore?

Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: drazvan on June 16, 2014, 09:50:49 PM
Hehe...sorry pigs.

I am wondering how there can be people that believe the fat arse? Imagine that there are some who prepae already for CL and for welcoming Astori, Paletta and Parolo!
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: SSL.Galles on June 17, 2014, 12:24:56 AM
yeh pigs are intelligent 

is there anyone pro Lotty on the forum these days? I myself am not however he`s not going anywhere
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on June 17, 2014, 05:54:29 PM
Galles, your signature is perhaps a great argument for giving Pioli some time. Just saying since I saw it.

What I wanted to post is Lotito saying to GdS that teams that focus on youth should pay lower taxes. Quite funny given we probably had the highest average age of any starting eleven for much of last season.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: SSL.Galles on June 17, 2014, 10:51:46 PM
Galles, your signature is perhaps a great argument for giving Pioli some time. Just saying since I saw it.

Yep it`s there to remind me not to make sweeping judgement on managers in future - I know the game of football but when it comes to the potential of coaches I`ve a long history of being incorrect.

I agree with what he says about tax but he usually only makes a stance on things that benefit his own agendas so yes quite the hypocrite
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Skenderbeu on June 18, 2014, 03:46:18 PM
Caxi

The "Libera la Lazio" protest does not effect Lotito in different views?

http://www.lalaziosiamonoi.it/primo-piano/lotito-basta-incomprensioni-lo-stadio-vuoto-e-una-protesta-sterile-rammarico-il-rapporto-con-i-tifosi-44978 (http://www.lalaziosiamonoi.it/primo-piano/lotito-basta-incomprensioni-lo-stadio-vuoto-e-una-protesta-sterile-rammarico-il-rapporto-con-i-tifosi-44978)
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on June 18, 2014, 04:35:14 PM
Caxi

The "Libera la Lazio" protest does not effect Lotito in different views?

[url]http://www.lalaziosiamonoi.it/primo-piano/lotito-basta-incomprensioni-lo-stadio-vuoto-e-una-protesta-sterile-rammarico-il-rapporto-con-i-tifosi-44978[/url] ([url]http://www.lalaziosiamonoi.it/primo-piano/lotito-basta-incomprensioni-lo-stadio-vuoto-e-una-protesta-sterile-rammarico-il-rapporto-con-i-tifosi-44978[/url])


I needed to put this through a translator, but isn't he arguing that the protest is useless and that he has a poor relationship with only 'a portion of radical and tight-knit fans'. He keeps underlining his desire to put things right, but there's plenty in his recent statements to suggest that he doesn't really care.

I just think the protesters have gone in the wrong direction. A full stadium of 60,000 people would send out a positive message to investors, even if they are abusing Lotito for 90 minutes every week. With the Curva Nord declaring that they have no intention in putting any of their money into the club, there's nothing for an investor here. As long as they keep doing that, Lotito will remain, even if he wanted to go. And isn't it quite clear he is intent on staying?

Lazio - as a football club - can survive without 90% of the fans. Wouldn't be the same Lazio anymore, but it can survive. And there will be enough against the form of protest to keep us afloat. Lotito is just playing the long game; when he sees how they react to Pioli, he knows some favourable results will get some back.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: SSL.Galles on June 18, 2014, 04:55:13 PM
You`re right in that that report contains very little sign of a change in direction or attitude towards his `opponents` He`s mearly saying that he wants to rectify the poor situation but what president wouldn`t?
In fact I`d argue that he`s quite arrogant in what he says and justifying his despotic tenure at Lazio.

The one thing I cannot state enough is that staying away from the games isn`t going to change anything only depreciate our value as a club - there`s far too much apprehension when it comes to be seen to disagree with the Ultras on this forum- if you don`t like it say you don`t like it- Half of them say they`d leave if Lazio became a predominantly Left supported club
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: rich on June 18, 2014, 06:02:41 PM
http://www.football-italia.net/50724/lotito-enough-enough (http://www.football-italia.net/50724/lotito-enough-enough)

Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Lazio_ade on June 20, 2014, 04:22:27 PM
Lotito says that he has a poor relationship with a small section of the support. The attendance figures for the second half of last season tell a different story.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Eka_Baron on June 21, 2014, 12:06:57 AM
there are some articles I read that mention Alitalia,Etihad and Lotito; also that Lotito meet someone in Testaccio. But didnt fully understand what is all about.. anyone know what is it?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Evesto on June 24, 2014, 11:19:39 AM
This may be the right topic or not, who knows?

New sponsordeal/partnership with fashionhouse Domenico Vacca starting upcoming season.
Good financial news i presume?

http://www.calciomercato.com/news/lazio-nuovi-sponsor-ed-accordi-471418 (http://www.calciomercato.com/news/lazio-nuovi-sponsor-ed-accordi-471418)
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Eka_Baron on June 30, 2014, 06:39:38 AM
there are rumours that after 6 years, 11 months and 29 days Lotito is considering a new sponsor for Lazio.
seems after the refusal of "Land of fire" of Azerbaijan and possible CN boycotting of next season Season ticket and official merch he needs some cash.



++ Questione sponsor: per la Lazio, a breve, potrebbero esserci novità. Secondo quanto riportato da "Il Tempo", Lotito starebbe trattando con due società straniere e la prossima potrebbe essere la settimana decisiva per il club capitolino. La Lazio, attende una risposta per i prossimi giorni a cui seguiranno quelli della presentazione della seconda e terza maglia per la prossima stagione ++


ROMA - Sette anni anni senza sporsor. Adesso Lotito ha bisogno di pubblicità. Magari alla fine ne beneficerà la Lazio. Qualcosa si smuove nel commerciale, ci sono nuove trattative in corso con società straniere. Nessuna conferma da Formello, ma indizi e rumors portano alla Platinum, colosso italo-spagnolo nel settore dei rifiuti e dell'energia, che già da qualche anno sta provando a sbarcare nel calcio: aveva tentato di rilevare Taranto e Foggia nel 2012. Ancora non c'è nulla di chiuso, i colloqui procedono. Ma anche in quest'ambito Lotito vuole dare un segnale e deve farlo in fretta. Lo sponsor è un argomento caro al fronte della contestazione: fra le domande della Curva, “censurate” all'Olimpico contro il Milan, ce n'era una specifica. Con tanto d'esplicito riferimento a un “vociferato” rifiuto del presidente a “Land of fire” dell'Azerbaijan. Che in realtà aveva già trovato da tempo l'accordo con l'Atletico Madrid, poi campione d'Europa.

 

 

UNA SETTIMANA DECISIVA - La maglia “pulita” sporca il bilancio biancoceleste da 6 anni, undici mesi e 29 giorni. Un buco economico inaccettabile per chi non ha denaro illimitato e poi si lamenta di dover far tornare i conti. Lotito ha sempre detto di non voler “svalorizzare il marchio Lazio”, eppure almeno 10 milioni - a volersi tenere - sono andati in fumo in questi anni. Solo qualche sponsorizzazione saltuaria (Edil Europa, Paideia, Lazio Style Channel o il videogioco Pes) o messaggi (come lo slogan contro il razzismo esposto quest’anno), adesso non si può più lasciare il portafoglio “bucato”. Questa può già essere la settimana decisiva, bisogna dare una risposta nei prossimi giorni. Solo dopo verranno presentate le altre due maglie biancocelesti. Magari stavolta con un brand stampato sopra, che non appaia e scompaia insieme al denaro già perso.

AURONZO PER “RISERVE” E “PRIMAVERA - ”Alle casacche mancano ancora diversi numeri. Ad Auronzo si vedranno solo quelli delle "riserve". Sarà tosta per Pioli impostare la squadra a sua immagine e somiglianza. Perché non solo rischia di non avere in mano i “grandi acquisti” (tranne Basta, Djordjevic e forse Parolo) promessi da Lotito. Non avrà senz'altro nemmeno i 6 nazionali (senza considerare Postiga), impegnati in Brasile: Lulic, Biglia, Candreva, Gonzalez, Onazi e Klose. Raddoppiato quindi il numero dei giovani in ritiro: sulle Dolomiti, anche se estate, Pioli si sentirà in Primavera.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on July 01, 2014, 01:59:04 AM
Where is the evidence that Lotito refused the Azerbaijani sponsorship? I've heard the story, but where is the evidence? Lazio are the most undesirable club for any sponsor in Europe, and about 1% of that has to do with Lotito. 99% of it is down to the image the media and a minority of fans portray.

This rumour is based on the idea that Lotito needs sponsorship money as fans boycott the stadium, but what f**king company is stupid enough to put their name on the shirt of a club whose fans don't turn up?

It wouldn't surprise me if we get a sponsor, although I don't expect it. Lotito is definitely changing things up, but as I've said before, I don't think it has anything to do with #liberalalazio and everything to do with the club spending beyond its means without seeing a return as yet. And if we get a sponsor, it will be for far less money than we could typically demand given the unpredictability of our shambolic protests.

For the last 12 months, the club has been talking up a Champions League challenge, and I've even heard Lotito mention a future Scudetto challenge in recent weeks - something none of those who doubted the clubs' ambition based on comments Lotito made about the Scudetto years ago have bothered mentioned on this forum  :twinkle:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: drazvan on July 01, 2014, 09:04:41 AM
I would not go that far to say that we are the most undesireable club, Cathal. I can imagine way worse. To be honest 4 years ago we were one of the most attractive. We were putting a CL challenge, we had some rising stars to sell for ads (Zarate for example - he might not have been the best footballer, but he was for sure at that point one of the most advertisable in Italy), plus we were cheap. Maybe too cheap. Maybe that was the problem. All sponsors thought that they can get in cheap and Lotare refused it. No idea.

Anyhow, I like the change in Lotito's atitude. If he would have done the exact same transfers last summer, we would have been in much better shape now. He didnt, we cannot change the past. Djordjevic, Basta, Parolo so far. Not bad. If he adds 2 defenders and 1 of them is Astori or Paletta, I am pretty ok. It will depend a lot also on who is leaving us, but I would say that if the departing ones are from the list Ciani, Cana, Novaretti, Cavanda, Onazi or Tata, Konko, Pere, Ederson - then I am not so worried and we can do a great season. If we talk about players like Marchetti, Radu, Lulic and Candreva things become a bit tougher.

Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on July 05, 2014, 12:36:24 PM
Lotito now claiming he was in the stands on 5 July 1987, talking about how he remembers -9. I don't know if this is getting tragic or funny or what.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Eka_Baron on July 05, 2014, 01:12:58 PM
Seems like he desperately need ppl for going back filling the stadium  :supsmile:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: phantomm1976 on July 05, 2014, 04:36:33 PM
 We are talking about same Claudio Lotito  :winner: ?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Eka_Baron on July 07, 2014, 03:53:52 PM
the banner against lotito from the Salerno fans.

(http://i58.tinypic.com/2dtako8.jpg)
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on July 18, 2014, 03:33:19 PM
Guerin Sportivo - an Italian sports magazine - have conducted an interview with Lotito to mark the 10th year of his presidency.

The interview focused largely on his shortcomings, his relationship with various powerful people and so on. If some one of our Italian-speaking members wishes to delve into this an discuss it, I'm sure we would all appreciate it. For the website, I thought it best to mention the more football-related points as they will be of interest to those who want football-related answers. It was quite a long interview.

You can read it here (http://lazioland.com/NewsProfile.htm?NewsId=2296)

There's really loads to discuss, in this topic and elsewhere.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Caput Mundi on July 18, 2014, 04:04:50 PM
Guerin Sportivo is an excellent publication. I'm not sure anything there is really a game-changer. He again shows his view of Lazio and football is incompatible with that of any purist football fan. I cannot disagree anymore with his idea of a Disneyland stadium in the outer suburbs or in the countryside. It'd be terrible for the club; excellent for him, maybe.

(Even the idea that parking should be at the forefront of building a public space shows that Rome is living in the 1970s when it comes to urban planning - but that is beyond even Lotito and football.)

I am interested to know how and why we came to invest in a Brazilian company which produces house goods but that's probably just a side issue to everything else.

OT: just a side note to the translation, he isn't accused of being "delazializzato" himself - he's accused of deLazioising (if that's a word) the club.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on July 18, 2014, 04:15:16 PM
Guerin Sportivo is an excellent publication. I'm not sure anything there is really a game-changer. He again shows his view of Lazio and football is incompatible with that of any purist football fan. I cannot disagree anymore with his idea of a Disneyland stadium in the outer suburbs or in the countryside. It'd be terrible for the club; excellent for him, maybe.

(Even the idea that parking should be at the forefront of building a public space shows that Rome is living in the 1970s when it comes to urban planning - but that is beyond even Lotito and football.)

I am interested to know how and why we came to invest in a Brazilian company which produces house goods but that's probably just a side issue to everything else.

OT: just a side note to the translation, he isn't accused of being "delazializzato" himself - he's accused of deLazioising (if that's a word) the club.

Thanks for the sidenote on the translation Chris. Was trying to be vague with the term "delazializzato" (Google Translate not a great help there), but still said too much.

I'd love to know how they conducted this interview as the knowledge he appears to demonstrate is pretty impressive. And although nothing is groundbreakingly new, there's clarity to this interview that we haven't seen for a while, if ever.

That Bombril thing was curious alright. I'm really keen to hear the Roman take on these sort of curiosities.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Caput Mundi on July 18, 2014, 04:36:30 PM
I think he does have to be credited with genuinely being that knowledgable; I am confident he could come up with it all in person or via the phone. He's a smart guy and does love to show how much he knows.

I've often maintained this Lazio-Roma thing is a bit of nonsense. I just doubt he was ever passionate about either team. His interest is business and football is a side dish to it all. He'll eat at whichever table has the bigger banquet.

And I think this interview does a good job of showing why the main differences will never be reconciled - his values and the traditional fans' values are too different. I think in a way he has ideas that would absolutely be a huge hit in, say, American or Australian sport. But then at the same time some aspects of his management are so unprofessional that it really sticks out to someone like me (for example) who also is exposed to the ultra-professional Aussie football clubs day in-day out.

One example is something I read on a Roman forum yesterday. A guy went with his mate to Formello so his mate's son could sign the papers to play in the Lazio juniors this upcoming season. The secretary of the junior system, apparently known to these guys already and a big Roma fan, was coughing and saying that working for Lazio makes him sick. He referred to Lazio as 'lazie' and told the kid about to sign for the club he could still be 'cured' of being Laziale.

Absolutely incredible that a guy like this could work for the club at all, let alone be answerable to just one or two people. And that would be incredible in any profession. You can't work for a phone company, for instance, and openly slag them off at work regardless of your private opinion.

And for a club which runs a TV channel and a radio station, the fan engagement and social media work can be poor. The website is also a decade behind the times.

That's where I don't get Lotito. He puts forth an argument that he is trying to bring in a new age of professionalism. Something which wouldn't go astray in Italian football but, in practice and especially at the lower levels, there are just some ridiculous things going on.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Hadi Van Der Vaart on July 19, 2014, 09:37:58 AM
Haha...
So we mocked roma and their disneyland, but lotito said by himself that he wants lazio has their own disneyland. :razz: But, lotito really looked like a businessman when he said "it is a romantic vision when football combined with revenue".

I agree with him anyway about the development of the city now is better only be made in downtown since the city center is too crowded, but when his plan A doesnt work for years, I think he should find another plan B.

I've heard people accuse him as romanista, but I never know there is a statement that everybody in Rome knows that.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 19, 2014, 04:14:17 PM
https://www.facebook.com/enrico.lotito?fref=ts (https://www.facebook.com/enrico.lotito?fref=ts)

is that who I think it is?

Why does he have pictures of the merda pig on his wall ( just to clarify, I am talking about totti and not lotito senior )

He has pictures of Lazio players, Totti..likes as roma etc...the boy has an identity crisis...surely?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: valdanito on July 19, 2014, 05:10:40 PM
because just like his father he is probably a Rioma fan. In all honesty I hope its a lost bet or something.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ArmLaziale on July 19, 2014, 06:41:19 PM
I couldn't stop lol ing at lotito's underestimation over Atletico, while you brag about your club saving and other, the club that you discredited just won La Liga and was a finalist in the CL, they can have depths as long as they perform, who cares that you do not have depths or they are really low, when your team is fighting for EL place in the weakest of strongest European league? We have no loans? Yea right.... All of his interview just enhances the fact this guy is too much business oriented.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on July 20, 2014, 02:08:51 AM
because just like his father he is probably a Rioma fan. In all honesty I hope its a lost bet or something.

I remember years ago, you had a pop at me for saying Zarate might turn out like his brothers, and I think you were right to do so. Just because Enrico is Claudio's son does not mean he is another Claudio. Nature versus nurture.

The kid was in Auronzo Di Cadore the other day helping out with training, acting as a ballboy when a ball went astray. Considering he is the son of a millionaire and is on his summer holidays, I'd think he'd only do that if he had some affinity to this team.

It could be a lost bet, someone could've got into his account. Could be anything. It is one photo that we can't say with any certainty was uploaded by him. We've more evidence to accuse others of such crimes, but we don't. Not going to take my unhappiness with our president out on his kid.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Super Ram on July 20, 2014, 08:07:12 AM
I agree with Caxi.. he cannot be that stupid to post a pic of titti on his wall.. he must have forgotten his FB open and someone decided to pull his leg..
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Hadi Van Der Vaart on July 20, 2014, 08:20:17 AM
But he posted totti's pic twice anyway. Okay, it might be he lost bet or his fb was hacked.

The way I see it, he is more caring with women rather than football. :supsmile:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Caput Mundi on July 20, 2014, 11:23:26 AM
You guys should remember he's a child. There probably isn't any more to it than that.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: valdanito on July 20, 2014, 03:49:35 PM
I admit it was unfair to compare him to his dad, I just like to find any excuse to have  dig at lolito :D The kid is not to blame for his fathers shortcomings.

Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: valdanito on July 24, 2014, 10:35:46 PM
I honestly don't listen much to what Di Canio has to say, but if he really said that then he is spot on.


https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10203180434783244&set=p.10203180434783244&type=1&theater (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10203180434783244&set=p.10203180434783244&type=1&theater)
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Eka_Baron on July 24, 2014, 10:49:07 PM
I honestly don't listen much to what Di Canio has to say, but if he really said that then he is spot on.


[url]https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10203180434783244&set=p.10203180434783244&type=1&theater[/url] ([url]https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10203180434783244&set=p.10203180434783244&type=1&theater[/url])


Ultras Lazio contestano Lotito "Libera la Lazio" + Tifo Curva Nord 23/2/14 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ThaSAA2F68#)

LOTITO... LA SENTI QUESTA VOCE??? (23/02/14, Lazio-Sassuolo, canta tutto lo stadio) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hp516Pd_nQ#)
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Ed on July 26, 2014, 05:45:55 PM
Quotes from Libero:

"I, President of Lazio, never said we would have signed Astori. I didn’t name names, it was all media speculation. I do want to tell the fans we will reinforce the squad. Besides, with all due respect to Astori, he’s not Diego Maradona..."
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Secret_Samadhi on July 26, 2014, 06:17:29 PM
Again. Lies, lies, lies. Fuk you Lotito!
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Eka_Baron on July 26, 2014, 08:40:05 PM
Tbh,comparing Astori and Maradona was just showing his football intelegence is.

Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 26, 2014, 09:17:53 PM
Astori is a far better CB than any of the ones that LOTITO BROUGHT TO THE CLUB..therefore Lotito is an arrogant prick for making a statement like that...But hey we shouldn't be surprised.

Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on July 26, 2014, 09:45:39 PM
Tbh,comparing Astori and Maradona was just showing his football intelegence is.

Lotito is pretty intelligent when it comes to football and business, the problem is and always will be that neither is his priority with Lazio. It was a throwaway comment that will resonate with many a fan.

Astori is a far better CB than any of the ones that LOTITO BROUGHT TO THE CLUB..therefore Lotito is an arrogant prick for making a statement like that...But hey we shouldn't be surprised.

We'll never know. What I do know is that you'll struggle to find a better centre-back in Serie A nowadays than Biava has been for us.

Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Ed on July 27, 2014, 03:59:48 PM
Quote from interview about Tavecchio:

"In Rome there is the problem of radio stations. In the rest of Italy, the Lazio fans adore me."
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Giolazio on July 27, 2014, 04:13:16 PM
Astori is a far better CB than any of the ones that LOTITO BROUGHT TO THE CLUB..therefore Lotito is an arrogant prick for making a statement like that...But hey we shouldn't be surprised.

If you had said 'could be' then maybe, but 'is'? No chance he is better right now than either Biava or Dias at their peak with Lazio.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on July 27, 2014, 04:20:37 PM
"In Rome there is the problem of radio stations. In the rest of Italy, the Lazio fans adore me."

Adored is too strong, but he definitely has a degree of respect within Italy. Neutrals see him as a tough negotiator, but not everyone is convinced that is a negative quality.

I saw a number of comments from neutrals on the Astori deal, and many of them suggested Lotito did well to avoid paying 7 million.

And he's right about the radio stations in Rome being a problem. Just look at Vidalgate to know how much of a problem the media can be.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 27, 2014, 04:27:47 PM
Astori is a far better CB than any of the ones that LOTITO BROUGHT TO THE CLUB..therefore Lotito is an arrogant prick for making a statement like that...But hey we shouldn't be surprised.

If you had said 'could be' then maybe, but 'is'? No chance he is better right now than either Biava or Dias at their peak with Lazio.

Bad wording..I meant of the ones we have now
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Eka_Baron on July 27, 2014, 10:25:01 PM
"In Rome there is the problem of radio stations. In the rest of Italy, the Lazio fans adore me."

Adored is too strong, but he definitely has a degree of respect within Italy. Neutrals see him as a tough negotiator, but not everyone is convinced that is a negative quality.



okey,but it was neutrals. but not LAZIO FANS . moreover, the lazio fans in the rest of Italy? I want to smack his head really.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Taib on July 28, 2014, 12:17:44 AM
"In Rome there is the problem of radio stations. In the rest of Italy, the Lazio fans adore me."

Adored is too strong, but he definitely has a degree of respect within Italy. Neutrals see him as a tough negotiator, but not everyone is convinced that is a negative quality.



okey,but it was neutrals. but not LAZIO FANS . moreover, the lazio fans in the rest of Italy? I want to smack his head really.

Lotito is talking rubbish once again. When I go to Italy the impression I get is overwhelmingly against Lotito from Lazio fans. It is not just Italy either. During the World Cup I was reading an Argentine sports newspaper web-site and on it, there was a Lazio fan who lives in Rio de Janeiro who sweared at Lotito and had a "Libera La Lazio" shirt.

As for neutrals they have cottonned on to the fact that Lotito is a moron as well especially after the protests against him and his string of transfer failures. My brother in law is a Napoli fan from Caserta and he always takes the mick out of Lotito.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on July 28, 2014, 12:54:45 AM
I misread the quote, perhaps because I think there are so few Lazio fans outside Rome but in aitaly for Lotito to draw that kind of conclusion.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Caput Mundi on July 28, 2014, 04:35:55 AM
Well make of it what you will but my romanista relatives are enjoying telling me via FB they hope Lotito remains our president forever.

The same kind of bant I dish off when I say I hope they give De Rossi a massive payrise and a 10-year contract extension.

Like all egomaniacs, Lotito has a very inflated sense of his own importance. I'm sure most people don't even care who he is.

He gets praise from some circles for his quest to kick violence out of the stadium but those same people are probably unaware he was happy to use that violence for his own ends on certain occasions like getting the deal with the banks through and avoiding relegation during Calciopoli.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Caput Mundi on July 28, 2014, 04:53:58 AM
And let's be frank - when Lotito talks about the moral aspect, he never has any credibility. This is just from yesterday.

Quote
Lazio President Claudio Lotito stands by Carlo Tavecchio in the racism row. “He used a colourful term.”

Lotito was the main backer for LND (amateur league) President Tavecchio to become President of the FIGC (Italian football federation) rather than Demetrio Albertini.

“We say that any old Opti Pobà can come here, before he was eating bananas, now he’s playing in the Lazio first XI,” said Tavecchio on Friday.

Despite the racism row that has enveloped Tavecchio, the Lazio patron is still bullish in his support for the 71-year-old.

“You are creating confusion around the real issue,” Lotito told Il Fatto Quotidiano newspaper.

“He was discussing the use of these lads and that they take away space from homegrown young players. We need to evaluate the ratio of his words.

“He comes from the Lega Dilettanti, which is contrary to discrimination. The LND is the basis of Italian football.

“His language was improper. He was speaking emphatically for an hour and a half, off the cuff. You are the ones who are exasperating the situation by blowing it up in the media.

“Tavecchio misspoke, but he should not be treated as a criminal. He used a colourful term. But he realised that and then apologised. Even the priest on the altar can make a mistake. People are creating a scandal because of political reasons.”

Tavecchio’s racist comments are not the only problem with his candidacy as President of the FIGC, as he also lost five trials for fraud, abuse of office and failure to disclose information in an inquiry from 1970 to 1998.

“If we look at it that way, we’d need to pick the fleas out of everyone’s coat. We are interested in substantial aspects,” insisted Lotito.

“I judge those who are in front of me by how they act and what they say. This pseudo-morality is no good to anyone. I don’t go digging into the past of people.


“Tavecchio became the first choice candidate because we looked past individual interests to what was best for the collective. Working to the advantage of one club when damaging another would be myopic.

“Are we Robin Hoods? Yes. It is an issue of equality and dignity, that is the inspirational focus.”

Lazio fans have been protesting against Lotito for years and there were more angry scenes when they failed to sign Davide Astori this week.

“In Rome there is the problem of radio stations. In the rest of Italy, the Lazio fans adore me.”
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on July 28, 2014, 10:49:57 AM
First and foremost a politican.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Prati on July 28, 2014, 01:18:08 PM
And let's be frank - when Lotito talks about the moral aspect, he never has any credibility. This is just from yesterday.

Quote
Lazio President Claudio Lotito stands by Carlo Tavecchio in the racism row. “He used a colourful term.”

Lotito was the main backer for LND (amateur league) President Tavecchio to become President of the FIGC (Italian football federation) rather than Demetrio Albertini.

“We say that any old Opti Pobà can come here, before he was eating bananas, now he’s playing in the Lazio first XI,” said Tavecchio on Friday.

Despite the racism row that has enveloped Tavecchio, the Lazio patron is still bullish in his support for the 71-year-old.

“You are creating confusion around the real issue,” Lotito told Il Fatto Quotidiano newspaper.

“He was discussing the use of these lads and that they take away space from homegrown young players. We need to evaluate the ratio of his words.

“He comes from the Lega Dilettanti, which is contrary to discrimination. The LND is the basis of Italian football.

“His language was improper. He was speaking emphatically for an hour and a half, off the cuff. You are the ones who are exasperating the situation by blowing it up in the media.

“Tavecchio misspoke, but he should not be treated as a criminal. He used a colourful term. But he realised that and then apologised. Even the priest on the altar can make a mistake. People are creating a scandal because of political reasons.”

Tavecchio’s racist comments are not the only problem with his candidacy as President of the FIGC, as he also lost five trials for fraud, abuse of office and failure to disclose information in an inquiry from 1970 to 1998.

“If we look at it that way, we’d need to pick the fleas out of everyone’s coat. We are interested in substantial aspects,” insisted Lotito.

“I judge those who are in front of me by how they act and what they say. This pseudo-morality is no good to anyone. I don’t go digging into the past of people.


“Tavecchio became the first choice candidate because we looked past individual interests to what was best for the collective. Working to the advantage of one club when damaging another would be myopic.

“Are we Robin Hoods? Yes. It is an issue of equality and dignity, that is the inspirational focus.”

Lazio fans have been protesting against Lotito for years and there were more angry scenes when they failed to sign Davide Astori this week.

“In Rome there is the problem of radio stations. In the rest of Italy, the Lazio fans adore me.”

I was just about to post the same thing. Lotito has always been last man to talk about ethics and moral and this whole thing with Tavecchio just underlines this. Pitiful man.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ArmLaziale on July 28, 2014, 02:14:20 PM
Pff, with lotito it's always about saving face and taking care of his interests from his position, a man with multiple faces.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Caput Mundi on July 28, 2014, 02:17:02 PM
Pff, with lotito it's always about saving face and taking care of his interests from his position, a man with multiple faces.

Perhaps, but it appears he will be on the wrong side of history with this one.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on July 28, 2014, 04:21:14 PM
Minala has come out and said he couldn't care less about Tavecchio's comments because he was the man that saved his career when so many others did nothing for him.

Maybe, just maybe, Lotito has his reasons.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: dimascio on July 28, 2014, 04:40:54 PM
Haven't had the chance to reply to this topic yet but I will confirm a few things.

Cathal is on to the right track when he says it's really only the Lazio fans in Rome that hate Lotito. 

My cousin who is an Interista living in Abruzzo admires Lotito's tactics and his stance against agents.  He always finds it strange that we're revolting against him.

Here in Canada we definitely have our fair share of haters but really it's down to frustration with the team under-performing.  Once the wheels start turning again and we're winning important matches I think the tension will always go away.   

I really think outside of Rome their is an over-whelming amount of support from Lotito.  Just look at last years inception of the Libera movement.  Politicians and directors hardly spoke out against him and some came to the stadium to show solidarity for him. 

I want what's best for Lazio and a fan from the SSL fan page on FB posted something worth noting last night:  "Ma i contestatori sono di nuovo spariti èè?? Certo quando il presidente fallisce una trattativa spuntano fori, mentre quando fa un grande acquisto se nascondono come i riomanisti!! Quanto ridere mi fate, ahahah......e mentre noi il prossimo anno andiamo allo stadio a sostenere la squadra, loro stanno sul divano a gufare la lazio...da veri riommanisti insomma ahahaha......ormai v'abbiamo sgamato, dovete sparire perche i veri laziali non vogliono gente come voi!!!
Questa è la vostra fine contestatori che lo vogliate o no!!
E COME SEMPRE FORZA LAZIOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
P.s. Daje che quest'anno faremo una grande stagione, me lo sento

To paraphrase:  "People only come out to criticize when purchases don't go well.  When we make a great buy where are all the protesters then?" 

Sometimes I'd rather take this standpoint and avoid all the anti-Lotito stuff.  At the end of the day for all his stupidity in the media, his gaffes, the way he comes across I can handle that if 1)  :stendrm: never win another scudetto as long as i'm alive.  2) We have more moments like 05-26-13
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: valdanito on August 19, 2014, 01:41:18 AM
Word on the street claim Lotito now owns 30% of Bari. That would explain a lot.

How legal would that even be?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Aquile12 on August 19, 2014, 03:13:47 AM
There are a lot of articles talking about Paparesta (the owner of Bari) and Lotito having dinner together in Rome.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: rivo on August 19, 2014, 05:56:51 AM
Yeah, that's a good thing for Lazio, right? Some days ago I smelled the movement and honestly I hoped it'd be true so that there will be like Lazio B. Btw, how good has Lazio and Bari relationship been going? Is that this good that the rumours about 30% pops up?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: phantomm1976 on August 19, 2014, 09:35:20 AM
 Salernitana-Bari.....who's next  :vcool: ?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: rivo on August 19, 2014, 09:43:02 AM
Salernitana-Bari-Parma hopefully lol
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: drazvan on August 19, 2014, 10:04:20 AM
I like the idea to have a brother club in Serie B where we can send players on loan. Much better than Salernitana. So I hope it is true and I hope our players get actual playtime.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on August 19, 2014, 10:22:06 AM
Bari and Salernitana pull in enough fans to be Serie A clubs. I don't see them as B teams, but as the two most investable clubs in Italy at the moment.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Evesto on August 19, 2014, 11:26:59 AM
What's the real use of owning 30% of Bari?
It's not like Lotito is pulling the strings over there having this. 
Purely financial i suppose and maybe to fluently make loandeals for our youth's to evolve over there.
First question that pops to mine, where did the funds come from to buy these shares .... ?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Caput Mundi on August 19, 2014, 11:32:04 AM
What's the real use of owning 30% of Bari?
It's not like Lotito is pulling the strings over there having this. 
Purely financial i suppose and maybe to fluently make loandeals for our youth's to evolve over there.
First question that pops to mine, where did the funds come from to buy these shares .... ?

Do you really think Lotito's interest in owning a couple of clubs in big cities is about loaning players?

IMO he sees the value in getting in while these clubs are down and cashing in when they are back where they belong... just like he has done with Lazio.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Evesto on August 19, 2014, 11:42:09 AM
What's the real use of owning 30% of Bari?
It's not like Lotito is pulling the strings over there having this. 
Purely financial i suppose and maybe to fluently make loandeals for our youth's to evolve over there.
First question that pops to mine, where did the funds come from to buy these shares .... ?

Do you really think Lotito's interest in owning a couple of clubs in big cities is about loaning players?

IMO he sees the value in getting in while these clubs are down and cashing in when they are back where they belong... just like he has done with Lazio.

Like i said in my post (i you read i closely) 'purely financial'.  The loandeals are a small part of it, just out of convenience having this situation.  I noted thesame reason but just formulated it a bit differently.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: danuel on August 19, 2014, 06:05:41 PM
I was about to ask the forum if Lotito owning 30% of Bari is actually true? Can anyone confirm it or is it just speculation?

I kind of like these affiliations (yes I play FM), its at great way to loan youth players to other clubs while still keeping them together, thereby building cohesion. I.E all the boys at Salerno have continued playing together from the Primavera and could potentially continue playing together (at least some of them) at Bari. This will help the future first team if they ever make it.

We could also potentially get first chance at the next Cassano!
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Hadi Van Der Vaart on August 20, 2014, 06:56:51 AM
http://www.figc.it/en/80/2524363/Struttura.shtml (http://www.figc.it/en/80/2524363/Struttura.shtml)

Open the site n you will see lotito has two roles in FIGC now. What is the Presidential Committee and Federal Council job?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on August 20, 2014, 09:27:57 AM
I was about to ask the forum if Lotito owning 30% of Bari is actually true? Can anyone confirm it or is it just speculation?

Denied by Bari.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Crni Đorđe on August 21, 2014, 07:50:27 PM
Setti nominated Lotito in Ice Bucket Challenge.  :razz:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on September 13, 2014, 12:12:08 AM
What is going on with Lotito being present everywhere suddenly and it seems like he is getting more and more influence in Italian football?

What is he planning?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Crni Đorđe on September 13, 2014, 01:00:49 AM
What is going on with Lotito being present everywhere suddenly and it seems like he is getting more and more influence in Italian football?

What is he planning?
Lotito backed Tavecchio heavily. Tavecchio elected as a President of FIGC. Lotito is, de facto, numero uno of Italian football now.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Rizmo on September 13, 2014, 09:02:32 AM
What is going on with Lotito being present everywhere suddenly and it seems like he is getting more and more influence in Italian football?

What is he planning?

Lotito backed Tavecchio heavily. Tavecchio elected as a President of FIGC. Lotito is, de facto, numero uno of Italian football now.


Tavecchio said yesterday that some of his reforms will be reducing Serie A to 18 teams again and also reduce squad sizes. Guess Lotito missed that one!

(http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/tumblr_lp2epd7QrL1qbhtrto1_500.gif)
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Evesto on September 13, 2014, 09:22:01 AM
Reduce squad sizes, ha good one, a lot of work ahead for Lotito?

However less Serie A teams will certainly be in our favour of results.  Years and years now our squad has been loosing unnecessary points against the lower ranked teams and usually getting decent results against the bigger ones.

But would this effect the places for Europe?  Now 6th place can get a team in the EL, but with 2 teams less in the league, wouldn't this change?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Hadi Van Der Vaart on September 13, 2014, 09:29:54 AM
But would this effect the places for Europe?  Now 6th place can get a team in the EL, but with 2 teams less in the league, wouldn't this change?

No effect, I think it's about coefficient. Bundesliga has 18 teams now n they still have more teams in Europe than Serie A.

What I dont like is less teams mean less games and the number of Lazio games will also decrease.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Caput Mundi on September 13, 2014, 11:30:22 AM
But would this effect the places for Europe?  Now 6th place can get a team in the EL, but with 2 teams less in the league, wouldn't this change?

No effect, I think it's about coefficient. Bundesliga has 18 teams now n they still have more teams in Europe than Serie A.

What I dont like is less teams mean less games and the number of Lazio games will also decrease.

Yeah cause we all need that extra game against Sassuolo or Chievo.

Let's be real, these aren't even "reforms". They're just going back to the way things should always have been.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Aquile12 on September 13, 2014, 05:37:21 PM
Reducing the squad size is a good thing, now Lotito is forced to get rid of our deadwood.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: birulangit on September 14, 2014, 06:08:09 AM
Reducing the squad size is a good thing, now Lotito is forced to get rid of our deadwood.


why does lotito need to be afraid??
we have deadwood but not that much..

parma have 50 loan and co owned if im not mistaken..
the reason they forgot to pay (or something to do with their contract) which lead to them not playing in europa.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Giolazio on September 14, 2014, 11:17:03 AM
What is going on with Lotito being present everywhere suddenly and it seems like he is getting more and more influence in Italian football?

What is he planning?
Lotito backed Tavecchio heavily. Tavecchio elected as a President of FIGC. Lotito is, de facto, numero uno of Italian football now.

Tavecchio said yesterday that some of his reforms will be reducing Serie A to 18 teams again and also reduce squad sizes. Guess Lotito missed that one!


Also to have more Italians in the line-up...we are screwed!  :supsmile:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Ed on September 14, 2014, 11:25:34 AM
Candreva, Parolo, Ledesma, possibly Marchetti. The youngsters like Keita wouldn't count either. We will be OK, a lot better than Inter for one!
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Giolazio on September 14, 2014, 12:25:54 PM
Candreva, Parolo, Ledesma, possibly Marchetti. The youngsters like Keita wouldn't count either. We will be OK, a lot better than Inter for one!

Actually, Keita could be Italian soon...
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Hadi Van Der Vaart on September 14, 2014, 01:33:59 PM
:what:
Keita can have Italian nationality? He can play for 3 countries then.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Caput Mundi on September 14, 2014, 01:48:58 PM
Candreva, Parolo, Ledesma, possibly Marchetti. The youngsters like Keita wouldn't count either. We will be OK, a lot better than Inter for one!

Actually, Keita could be Italian soon...

What, in about eight years?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ArmLaziale on September 14, 2014, 02:29:29 PM
Doesn't it take something like 10 years?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: valdanito on September 14, 2014, 04:05:00 PM
I thought it was 5.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Giolazio on September 14, 2014, 05:19:37 PM
Candreva, Parolo, Ledesma, possibly Marchetti. The youngsters like Keita wouldn't count either. We will be OK, a lot better than Inter for one!

Actually, Keita could be Italian soon...

What, in about eight years?

2018. There was already an interview with his agent about it.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Caput Mundi on September 15, 2014, 02:39:00 AM
Candreva, Parolo, Ledesma, possibly Marchetti. The youngsters like Keita wouldn't count either. We will be OK, a lot better than Inter for one!

Actually, Keita could be Italian soon...

What, in about eight years?

2018. There was already an interview with his agent about it.

I thought it took 10 years to become naturalised, ala Ledesma.

Maybe it's shorter for someone who's already an EU citizen. Still, I wouldn't say 2018 is soon. F he's as good as he's meant to be, he'll be capped for Spain by then.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Hadi Van Der Vaart on September 15, 2014, 06:27:09 AM
In an interview, Giuseppe Marotta said that Lotito, with his new power in FIGC, will give bad impact to Italian football in general.

Even the champion of Italy is afraid with Lotito's new role.  :whistle:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Giolazio on September 15, 2014, 10:27:58 AM
Candreva, Parolo, Ledesma, possibly Marchetti. The youngsters like Keita wouldn't count either. We will be OK, a lot better than Inter for one!

Actually, Keita could be Italian soon...

What, in about eight years?

2018. There was already an interview with his agent about it.

I thought it took 10 years to become naturalised, ala Ledesma.

Maybe it's shorter for someone who's already an EU citizen. Still, I wouldn't say 2018 is soon. F he's as good as he's meant to be, he'll be capped for Spain by then.

I thought it was always 5 years. The thing is Keita isn't an EU citizen yet, he hasn't received his Spanish passport and is believed to not be very attached to Spain (if you believe his agent). Anyway I'm not a fan of the 'naturalised' NT players. Different if there is Italian heritage...
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Giolazio on September 15, 2014, 10:32:45 AM
In an interview, Giuseppe Marotta said that Lotito, with his new power in FIGC, will give bad impact to Italian football in general.

Even the champion of Italy is afraid with Lotito's new role.  :whistle:

It's always good to have friends in high places but I worry, with Lotito's ego, this will leave us even more isolated in Serie A.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Caput Mundi on September 16, 2014, 04:42:55 AM
Candreva, Parolo, Ledesma, possibly Marchetti. The youngsters like Keita wouldn't count either. We will be OK, a lot better than Inter for one!

Actually, Keita could be Italian soon...

What, in about eight years?

2018. There was already an interview with his agent about it.

I thought it took 10 years to become naturalised, ala Ledesma.

Maybe it's shorter for someone who's already an EU citizen. Still, I wouldn't say 2018 is soon. F he's as good as he's meant to be, he'll be capped for Spain by then.

I thought it was always 5 years. The thing is Keita isn't an EU citizen yet, he hasn't received his Spanish passport and is believed to not be very attached to Spain (if you believe his agent). Anyway I'm not a fan of the 'naturalised' NT players. Different if there is Italian heritage...

Not sure what his agent said.

He's already rejected a callup to the Senegal senior NT so I don't think his allegiance to Spain is in any doubt. And it's definitely 10 years. Amauri took 10 years to become Italian too.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: phantomm1976 on September 19, 2014, 09:35:50 AM
 How many non EU players we have ?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: hamid on October 20, 2014, 04:19:33 PM
Sometimes I like the remarks Lotito makes on rioma!  ;D

“They’re building [their stadium] at Tor di Valle, where the horses grazed.”

http://football-italia.net/57428/lotito-politics-tavecchio-and-roma (http://football-italia.net/57428/lotito-politics-tavecchio-and-roma)
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on October 20, 2014, 04:27:23 PM
What does that sentence even mean?   :supsmile:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Crni Đorđe on October 20, 2014, 04:32:05 PM
Something like 'where the horses lived, ate', etc.

Tor di Valle was the place of the old racecourse.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on October 21, 2014, 10:59:54 AM
Yeah, I love Lotito's comments too, like how he has said he will be cheering for 1927 against Bayern tonight  :whistle:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Eka_Baron on October 21, 2014, 12:02:33 PM
http://football-italia.net/57512/lotito-i%E2%80%99ll-cheer-roma (http://football-italia.net/57512/lotito-i%E2%80%99ll-cheer-roma)

(http://i62.tinypic.com/20g1lhz.jpg)

(http://i59.tinypic.com/ncniaq.jpg)
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: The Undertaker on November 05, 2014, 08:52:31 PM
Lotito under the microscope again... He raised the ticket price against Juventus.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: valdanito on November 05, 2014, 09:12:55 PM
Fans threatening to desert the stadium...?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on November 05, 2014, 10:01:32 PM
Okay I am going to put a controversial post in here, mainly because I think it is a valid point.

If people stay away from the Juventus game because of this then the only words I can write is Vaffanculo..

Let me explain...

The most loyal Laziali who support the team in Rome will already have bought a season ticket..and if you have a season ticket then this does not apply to you as you do not have to buy a ticket for this match

Secondly, all big clubs do this. They raise the price for the big matches in order to gather more revenue...

It is no secret that we are lacking funds for purchases in January...an extra couple of million of euros could make a huge difference in this scenario.

How the hell can anyone even think of boycotting this match because of Lotito raising the price..it's the most stupid thing I've ever heard...We spent a lot of money on players already and Lotito did not sell...so he did what Curva Nord wanted him to do..now it's time they pay up themselves...

I supported Curva Nord and the protest for a long time, but this season they have to stop and pay up...
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: The Undertaker on November 05, 2014, 10:51:26 PM
I attended Lazio-Juventus in April 2013 and the ticket in Curva costed me 18 euros while this time it has 35. It's a very big difference if you ask me,especially in Italy where the financial  crisis grows bigger.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: MilanChe on November 05, 2014, 11:10:18 PM
We are coming from Slovenia for this game, so see no reason why locals wouldn't come  :offlag:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Crni Đorđe on November 05, 2014, 11:14:49 PM
It will be 25 euros for Curva, club confirmed tonight.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on November 05, 2014, 11:40:10 PM
Tickets for home games against mid-table teams this season have been 16 euro at their cheapest. For Cagliari, the tickets were selling for as little as 8 euro with an initiative going whereby you got a greater discount the more people who turned up.

What happened? The attendance was 32,000 but the club had anticipated more. Therefore the club learned a lesson - you can virtually give tickets away, and people won't turn up.

So how do you make money when fans up? Charge the fans more. As ilsemprelaziale pointed out, this wouldn't affect the 18,000 who bought tickets, but rather the members of CN who held out on not buying a season ticket and those who only turn up on occasion - people who have yet to put their money where their mouth. Think many would say the occasional turnouts are not worth bothering about.

Seems the club have backed down slightly to avoid a boycott. So now this literally only affects those who only turn up once in a blue moon.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: RhaegarTargaryen1900 on November 06, 2014, 09:31:30 AM
@ilsemprelaziale

the guys of CN hadn't made the season-ticket. they go to buy tickets match by match.

however, SSLAZIO has set the new price for northside and southside at 25 euros. this problem has been solved.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ArmLaziale on November 06, 2014, 05:59:59 PM
I think it's a worldwide practice to raise the ticket price depending on the occasion.
In Sofia the tickets for a Ludogorets match climbed unbelieveable heights for Real and Liverpool and it was all sold out, so if the difference is not huge, it shouldn't be an excuse not to be there.
I think the reason for the low cost Caglarti tickets was - Monday.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: RhaegarTargaryen1900 on November 07, 2014, 11:25:11 AM
@Eka Baron, Hadi Van der Vaart, Birulangit and other indonesian Laziali in this forum

you know these guys?

(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/10/25/2968043cca9954f24a1d09685e5772e7.jpg)

 :what:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on November 07, 2014, 11:36:15 AM
That has to be a joke  :supsmile:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: RhaegarTargaryen1900 on November 07, 2014, 11:52:41 AM
That has to be a joke  :supsmile:

i don't think so.

in indonesia there are real futsal championships between Lazio-fans teams. this is, i assume, one of these teams.

is possible that those lads still don't know what type of person is lotito?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: chandraicang on November 07, 2014, 03:48:02 PM
I see it's just a kind of joke. Indonesia is one of the most happiest nation in the world  :razz:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: The Undertaker on November 07, 2014, 04:08:03 PM
By saying Lotito FC it's obviously a joke.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Hadi Van Der Vaart on November 07, 2014, 04:32:40 PM
Hahaha....
Never thought that team will get attention from abroad. As a community, we usually have events to make people get in touch in real world, not only in social media n one of them is by holding futsal tournament. There are so many Laziali from different regions in Indonesia n each regions has their own group n futsal team. But for those who dont have futsal team usually join with the other Laziali who also dont have futsal team n I think they just pick that name for fun because I know one of the guys there always make fun to Lotito. :supsmile:

However, there are still real Lotito fans in here. :razz:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Evesto on November 07, 2014, 04:40:06 PM
@Eka Baron, Hadi Van der Vaart, Birulangit and other indonesian Laziali in this forum

you know these guys?

([url]http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/10/25/2968043cca9954f24a1d09685e5772e7.jpg[/url])

 :what:


Any chance one of these guys is almost end of contract or a free agent ???   :twinkle:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: birulangit on November 07, 2014, 04:50:20 PM
these guys are groomed and funded by lotito.. using lazio's money :D


i dont know any of them though..
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Eka_Baron on November 07, 2014, 05:31:34 PM
@rhaegar: sadly it was some ppl @ Laziale Malang (current generation). since I was working I wasnt active anymore,But I still following Lazio. I feel embarassed really and trust me rhaegar THIS PPL DOESNT REPRESENT LAZIALE MALANG AT ALL. they are either just wanted to make some attention.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Eka_Baron on November 07, 2014, 05:38:04 PM
That has to be a joke  :supsmile:

i don't think so.

in indonesia there are real futsal championships between Lazio-fans teams. this is, i assume, one of these teams.

is possible that those lads still don't know what type of person is lotito?

yes. but sadly,many on this pic are even not Laziale. they just fill the quota so they can enter and play in the tournament. I know some ppl on that pic,but I really ashamed for them and my respect down to zero.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on December 08, 2014, 01:46:22 PM
Poor Lotito.

Seems some folk at Salernitana were not best pleased with Lotito spending time with Lazio, so Lotito and family went to watch Salernitana - and now the media are having a pop at Lotito for the decision.

Lotito has said he has two children - Lazio and Salernitana - and that sometimes the smaller child requires more attention. His wife explained that the decision was made long ago and even his son spoke out and said he enjoys having a second team after Lazio.

Juggling two clubs can be difficult  :razz: Need to get those stories straight.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Crni Đorđe on January 10, 2015, 12:15:55 AM
While Lotito was giving the speech on tonight's celebration of club, talking about how Lazio represent unity, humble and integrity, Felice Pulici stood up in odeon and said: 'You don't represent that'. Amid applause from the part of public, Pulici left the place.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on January 10, 2015, 01:00:53 AM
While Lotito was giving the speech on tonight's celebration of club, talking about how Lazio represent unity, humble and integrity. Felice Pulici stood up in odeon and said: 'You don't represent that'. Amid applause from the part of public, Pulici left the place.

https://31.media.tumblr.com/8cf97c2baa2e1df087cf78baa5b41fb1/tumblr_inline_ng1k3bjWjT1qdnsvh.gif
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Jofo on January 10, 2015, 01:49:59 AM
Io sono Felice Pulici !
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ArmLaziale on January 10, 2015, 07:34:35 AM
Lotito would be like - eh, small minoity.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on January 10, 2015, 10:09:26 AM
Sad that these things happen on celebratory days.

Can't criticise Felice Pulici for lending his voice to what he believes in, but now the 115th Lazio anniversary is suddenly about Lotito. Brilliant.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Eka_Baron on January 10, 2015, 10:41:34 AM
Thanks Mr. Felice Pulici. I love u

(http://i57.tinypic.com/2ito4g3.jpg)

Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: phantomm1976 on January 10, 2015, 10:58:17 AM
 R.De Niro could make a great movie about Lotito and his sons  :supsmile:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Crni Đorđe on January 10, 2015, 03:20:33 PM
Simply wrong moment. I bet Lotito enjoyed that excess.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on January 12, 2015, 04:25:24 PM
“Roma won’t win the League title, I’ll bet the Lazio Presidency on it.”

(http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/58001165.jpg)
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on January 12, 2015, 04:26:25 PM
“Roma won’t win the League title, I’ll bet the Lazio Presidency on it.”

([url]http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/58001165.jpg[/url])


I was going to make this joke about 20 mins ago and thought better of it. I'd probably have got killed for it; I think you'll get away with it  :razz:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Evesto on January 12, 2015, 05:15:09 PM
Read the interview just now.

http://www.football-italia.net/61097/%E2%80%98totti-selfie-inappropriate%E2%80%99 (http://www.football-italia.net/61097/%E2%80%98totti-selfie-inappropriate%E2%80%99)

Quit a pickle isn't it ???  What would we prefer ......

Did like the comment on the selfie tough, i know it's from Lotito but still i liked the statement that Mauri would never do such a thing.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Crni Đorđe on January 13, 2015, 06:48:30 PM
Well, Lotito against 1927 went rampage today. As soon as someone speaks about their balance, they are jumping like a mad.  :supsmile:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Evesto on January 13, 2015, 09:41:28 PM
Well, Lotito against 1927 went rampage today. As soon as someone speaks about their balance, they are jumping like a mad.  :supsmile:

True, they did get very anxious right away.   Feeling the need to immediatly clear themselves, that's typical when things aren't solid.

However i regret the fact Lotito going in interaction like that.  He should ignore any provocations from Merda or otherwise respond firmly and correct.  But surely not initiate arguments back and forth like this.  That's not Lazio-style, a Lazio president should not sink to that level (and certianly not start things himself) and focus on the club instead.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Eka_Baron on January 13, 2015, 09:57:30 PM


However i regret the fact Lotito going in interaction like that. 

yep because Lotito bet his presidency for it, then its easy when they were saying we were an expert for betting (Mauri).
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Evesto on January 13, 2015, 10:26:50 PM


However i regret the fact Lotito going in interaction like that. 

yep because Lotito bet his presidency for it, then its easy when they were saying we were an expert for betting (Mauri).

Correct.  That's what you get, then you are giving them a stick to hit you with.  And this kind of thing can go on and on, never good ..... Not professional, and surely unbecoming of a Lazio president.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: martinese on January 22, 2015, 04:20:17 PM
Lotito answered some questions after Mauricio's presentation:
http://lazioland.com/NewsProfile.htm?NewsId=2481 (http://lazioland.com/NewsProfile.htm?NewsId=2481)
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Evesto on January 22, 2015, 07:53:33 PM
Lotito answered some questions after Mauricio's presentation:
[url]http://lazioland.com/NewsProfile.htm?NewsId=2481[/url] ([url]http://lazioland.com/NewsProfile.htm?NewsId=2481[/url])


Some typical Lotito statements, especially the one were he tries to put the spotlight on himself in saying now lot's of players want to join since he is president.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Amir on January 27, 2015, 10:04:29 AM
Lotito was interviewed by Italia 1 and among other things he said the following:


Perea is not sufficient for a Champions League spot: "With all due respect for you, I have shown that I signed players that you never even heard about. Then Perea scored 7 goals in Europea League for example..."


HAHAHAH
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Crni Đorđe on January 27, 2015, 10:10:12 AM
Lotito was interviewed by Italia 1 and among other things he said the following:


Perea is not sufficient for a Champions League spot: "With all due respect for you, I have shown that I signed players that you never even heard about. Then Perea scored 7 goals in Europea League for example..."


HAHAHAH

He surely takes some booze early in a morning.  :razz:

Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: RhaegarTargaryen1900 on January 27, 2015, 12:41:58 PM
lotito.. when u will "go away", it will be always too late. pig bastard.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Eka_Baron on January 27, 2015, 05:34:11 PM
lotito.. when u will "go away", it will be always too late. pig bastard.

Is this a chant that always sing by CN? I'll always love it.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: RhaegarTargaryen1900 on January 27, 2015, 07:03:43 PM
Is this a chant that always sing by CN? I'll always love it.

there are many chants. my favourite is this:

"mi diverto solo se, solo se muore lotito. come muore non importa, lo vogliamo a Prima Porta"

(I enjoy myself only if, only if lotito dies. how he dies it's not important, we want him in Prima Porta)


"Prima Porta" is a roman cemetery  :supsmile:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Rizmo on January 27, 2015, 07:22:30 PM
Is this a chant that always sing by CN? I'll always love it.

there are many chants. my favourite is this:

"mi diverto solo se, solo se muore lotito. come muore non importa, lo vogliamo a Prima Porta"

(I enjoy myself only if, only if lotito dies. how he dies it's not important, we want him in Prima Porta)


"Prima Porta" is a roman cemetery  :supsmile:

Does the whole Curva sing this one and are they singing it every game? Just wondering if everyone in the Curva is still against Lotito?  :rolley:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: RhaegarTargaryen1900 on January 27, 2015, 07:29:20 PM
Does the whole Curva sing this one and are they singing it every game? Just wondering if everyone in the Curva is still against Lotito?  :rolley:

almost the entire stadium, sings this chant. not only the CN.

and this chant is sung every match.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Rizmo on January 27, 2015, 07:35:10 PM
Does the whole Curva sing this one and are they singing it every game? Just wondering if everyone in the Curva is still against Lotito?  :rolley:

almost the entire stadium, sings this chant. not only the CN.

and this chant is sung every match.

Must be made out of stone if that doesn't get to you  :razz:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: RhaegarTargaryen1900 on January 27, 2015, 07:48:39 PM
Must be made out of stone if that doesn't get to you  :razz:

he says that it doesn't hurt him. i think he lies. this piece of shit.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Stefano6 on January 27, 2015, 08:23:29 PM
Nothing like that was sung against Milan
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: RhaegarTargaryen1900 on January 27, 2015, 08:39:56 PM
Nothing like that was sung against Milan
mhhhh I think there's been between the 2-1 and 3-1  :rolley: i'm not sure because by now this chant has become a habit. some matches is sung more than once.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Stefano6 on January 27, 2015, 09:32:28 PM
I certainly didnt hear it, and no one around where I was sat sang it.

And if it is around that time of the game it was sung, it was just after Parolo and Klose - 2 players Lotito brought to the club - put us in the lead against Milan, wearing the iconic shirt the fans wanted to see, that Lotito helped to bring. Which I think shows you the sense (ie, lack of) behind the Lotito haters.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Rizmo on January 27, 2015, 09:40:53 PM
Who of our players didn't Lotito bring to the club?  :whistle:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Eka_Baron on January 27, 2015, 09:41:50 PM
Does the whole Curva sing this one and are they singing it every game? Just wondering if everyone in the Curva is still against Lotito?  :rolley:

almost the entire stadium, sings this chant. not only the CN.

and this chant is sung every match.

 :beer:   :cnstend: 
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: RhaegarTargaryen1900 on January 28, 2015, 01:06:29 AM
I certainly didnt hear it, and no one around where I was sat sang it.

And if it is around that time of the game it was sung, it was just after Parolo and Klose - 2 players Lotito brought to the club - put us in the lead against Milan, wearing the iconic shirt the fans wanted to see, that Lotito helped to bring. Which I think shows you the sense (ie, lack of) behind the Lotito haters.

Stefano6, this chants are sung because lotito is a sleazy and petty person. So, they are sung regardless of the results or the good players that he bring to the club.

the reasons why we hate lotito are many and we had already explained these.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Jofo on February 14, 2015, 12:06:12 PM
Whats going on with Lotito, suddenly he is on the front page of every Italian newspaper.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: hamid on February 14, 2015, 12:20:50 PM
He started to criticize the referee system in Italy, and now everyone wants to show what a corrupted person he is!
Really funny why that guy whose name I forgot published this phone call just a few days after Lotito’s comments on referees!
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Alsalman on February 14, 2015, 01:27:21 PM
The way he is being attacked... "Lotito Gate" and the recorded phone calls and the accusations shows you how Italian football is a dirty game controlled by Big clubs.

When ever an authority figure not part of the group is involved they work so hard to discredit that person.

Simply put Lotito pushed for higher income for Serie A teams (other than Juve, Milan, Inter and Roma who used to get all the cash) which is why he is the enemy.

Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Crni Đorđe on February 14, 2015, 01:32:55 PM
'Lotito Gate' is hilarious title in Gazzetta.

It's funny how scandal is made from some words which, basically, means nothing. Real scandal is how somebody came out with recorded private call in public and want support. That isn't scandal, right?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Gianni Calcio on February 14, 2015, 02:01:14 PM
'Lotito Gate' is hilarious title in Gazzetta.

It's funny how scandal is made from some words which, basically, means nothing. Real scandal is how somebody came out with recorded private call in public and want support. That isn't scandal, right?

I've been saying for years Serie A is the WWE of football
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on February 14, 2015, 04:16:51 PM
Lotito's being lambasted for saying that certain teams being promoted to Serie A would devalue the TV rights package.

Let's contextualise this. It came out that Lotito has negotiated Lazio's TV rights money to the point where Lazio earn more money from the TV rights package than Bayern Munich.

Juventus, Inter, Milan, 1927 and Napoli earn more on account of their larger fanbase, but Serie A get a lot more than the Bundesliga (although a lot less than the Premier League).

So Lotito is a bad guy for making Serie A clubs a lot of money when they are struggling to make ends meet.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: moody on February 14, 2015, 07:16:14 PM
Lotito seems manipulative and arrogant. I believe rather than helping the whole league, he is serving his own interests, at the same time damaging Lazio's name.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Evesto on February 14, 2015, 07:31:18 PM
Lotito's being lambasted for saying that certain teams being promoted to Serie A would devalue the TV rights package.

Let's contextualise this. It came out that Lotito has negotiated Lazio's TV rights money to the point where Lazio earn more money from the TV rights package than Bayern Munich.

Juventus, Inter, Milan, 1927 and Napoli earn more on account of their larger fanbase, but Serie A get a lot more than the Bundesliga (although a lot less than the Premier League).

So Lotito is a bad guy for making Serie A clubs a lot of money when they are struggling to make ends meet.

Tend to agree with this.  I also think certain people or individuals felt a bit cornered and felt the urgent need to put Lotito in the spotlight negativly.  How desperate do you have to be by taping private phonecalls and leaking them to the media.  This person is making himself look weak. 

Also, taping private phonecalls without concent of both parties is a serious breach in the privacy-laws.  If were Lotito, i would act on this.

That recording(s) is the only thing wrong that has been done in this whole media-circus imo!
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on February 14, 2015, 07:40:09 PM
You would think that wiring someones phone like that is against the law?

And you would think Lotito is intelligent enough to not have such conversations over the phone.

Lotito is a nobody in football and he is creating enemies left and right by making these statements. It would serve him well to be a little more humble.

Who is he to say that a few teams don't belong in the Serie A. It's not like his team is a Serie A giant and he should focus more on his club than everyone else.

That being said, the infrastructure is awful in Italian football and the league needs help.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Giolazio on February 14, 2015, 07:59:22 PM
You would think that wiring someones phone like that is against the law?

And you would think Lotito is intelligent enough to not have such conversations over the phone.

Lotito is a nobody in football and he is creating enemies left and right by making these statements. It would serve him well to be a little more humble.

Who is he to say that a few teams don't belong in the Serie A. It's not like his team is a Serie A giant and he should focus more on his club than everyone else.

That being said, the infrastructure is awful in Italian football and the league needs help.

The point he was making is if the three clubs he mentioned were to be promoted at the same time it would be a problem, and he is right. Especially since we look like we are losing Parma. The point is Serie A should be 18 teams, same with B with only 1 direct promotion and relegation spot leaving a second for a playoff. Keeps the league stronger.

Also he revealed he is suing for the phone tape.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Crni Đorđe on February 14, 2015, 07:59:33 PM
Lotito's being lambasted for saying that certain teams being promoted to Serie A would devalue the TV rights package.

Let's contextualise this. It came out that Lotito has negotiated Lazio's TV rights money to the point where Lazio earn more money from the TV rights package than Bayern Munich.

Juventus, Inter, Milan, 1927 and Napoli earn more on account of their larger fanbase, but Serie A get a lot more than the Bundesliga (although a lot less than the Premier League).

So Lotito is a bad guy for making Serie A clubs a lot of money when they are struggling to make ends meet.

Tend to agree with this.  I also think certain people or individuals felt a bit cornered and felt the urgent need to put Lotito in the spotlight negativly.  How desperate do you have to be by taping private phonecalls and leaking them to the media.  This person is making himself look weak. 

Also, taping private phonecalls without concent of both parties is a serious breach in the privacy-laws.  If were Lotito, i would act on this.

That recording(s) is the only thing wrong that has been done in this whole media-circus imo!

Lotito is extremely influential in Lega and FIGC, so I doubt this will be much harmful for him. Already he confirmed that he said all that (which isn't illegal or something, just mouthwatering material for tabloids) and a lot of presidents and influential people in Italian football came out and just said that back Lotito in all this charade. Charade pop out immediately after Lotito's critic for AIA and that isn't coincidence. Where money flow, coincidences are forbidden.

Lotito is no saint nor he can make him looks like that. But wiretapping somebody in private conversation and publishing that is much bigger issue than expressing opinion, which Lotito (looking like that) did in that conversation.

Yeah, Lotito is crucified because he expressed opinion in private conversation. Ridiculous.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Nass on February 14, 2015, 11:08:50 PM
I hope this time he WILL eat his own words up and they'll get him real bad! A close friend of Tavecchio given too much air and what is next, they want to stop Carpi from coming up? A team who has excelled and shown everyone what the game is all about! If you want to stop teams with most spirit and best performances from rightfully gaining promotions then you've killed last thrill/reason to watch this sport and sold last soul off
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on February 15, 2015, 12:08:25 AM
I hope this time he WILL eat his own words up and they'll get him real bad! A close friend of Tavecchio given too much air and what is next, they want to stop Carpi from coming up? A team who has excelled and shown everyone what the game is all about! If you want to stop teams with most spirit and best performances from rightfully gaining promotions then you've killed last thrill/reason to watch this sport and sold last soul off

But this already happens in other league systems. A team was denied promotion in France last year because of their stature. UEFA don't let you play in Europe if your stadium isn't up to scratch.

No point pretending this doesn't already happen.

Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Nass on February 15, 2015, 12:31:02 AM
If you want to stop teams with most spirit and best performances from rightfully gaining promotions then you've killed last thrill/reason to watch this sport and sold last soul off

But this already happens in other league systems. A team was denied promotion in France last year because of their stature. UEFA don't let you play in Europe if your stadium isn't up to scratch.

No point pretending this doesn't already happen.


Aha, so because it happens elsewhere it's justifiable? yeah let's kill someone because it's already done wherever the sheiks have landed

really though, the types of Lotito are exactly what is wrong with the system, let's not pretend THAT is not happening
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Crni Đorđe on February 15, 2015, 12:40:32 AM
If you want to stop teams with most spirit and best performances from rightfully gaining promotions then you've killed last thrill/reason to watch this sport and sold last soul off

But this already happens in other league systems. A team was denied promotion in France last year because of their stature. UEFA don't let you play in Europe if your stadium isn't up to scratch.

No point pretending this doesn't already happen.


Aha, so because it happens elsewhere it's justifiable? yeah let's kill someone because it's already done wherever the sheiks have landed

really though, the types of Lotito are exactly what is wrong with the system, let's not pretend THAT is not happening

Okay, but can somebody actually explain what Lotito did wrong here? Beside his traditional 'tactful' approach.

I'm listening that audio over and over and still amazed by titles like 'Lotito gate' and similar shits which already convicted the guy.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on February 15, 2015, 12:45:41 AM
Aha, so because it happens elsewhere it's justifiable? yeah let's kill someone because it's already done wherever the sheiks have landed

really though, the types of Lotito are exactly what is wrong with the system, let's not pretend THAT is not happening

All Lotito has done is confirm the notion that football is a business. If you've ever bought a ticket for a football game then you've indirectly endorsed his methods.

It doesn't matter whether it is right or wrong. It is what it is.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: moody on February 15, 2015, 06:39:17 AM
He is wrong in the way he degrades sportsmanship, and only cares about the economic side of the sport. If not for sportsmanship, one day paralympics would be ended too...
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Hadi Van Der Vaart on February 15, 2015, 07:04:09 AM
Eventhough it was not public conversation, Lotito was spot on in my opinion. Maybe it's good for sportmanship n neutral people, but a team like Carpi with the population of a full Olimpico stadium will struggle in Serie A.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Nass on February 15, 2015, 11:13:52 AM
If something in a mechanism is defect then you'll seek to fix it or replace it if totally broke, you guys just gave it all up what is righteous standing in line behind those bowing down to the crown

well good for you accepting blindly but in reality it's all about the 11 (+3) and 11 (+3) against eachother for 90-100 minutes. if the Carpi performs better than our mercenaries ang goes home with a 3 pointer what does it matter if there are 30000 or just three fans there to watch? but money is more important so hire a guy like Lotito, entrepreneur, banker and capitalist with 0 knowledge of football to be the representative for la lega, nice

Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on February 15, 2015, 12:00:23 PM
but money is more important so hire a guy like Lotito, entrepreneur, banker and capitalist with 0 knowledge of football to be the representative for la lega, nice

That also applies to the presidents of Carpi, Frosinone and Latina, who are only outraged because it affects their economy. It also applies to 19 other Serie A presidents. It also applies to Cragnotti.

Let's not get on our high horse here. Most fans in this forum are only here because Cragnotti cared about the economy more than sport, and bought us trophies. Now is not the time to get on the high horse.

If not for sportsmanship, one day paralympics would be ended too...

Paralympics has little to do with sport and everything to do with the economy. Adidas don't sponsor the event so that we can have sporting competition - they do it so people watching the paralympics go and buy their clothes and make them loads of money.

Pino Iodice didn't tape Lotito's conversation because he cares about calcio.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Giolazio on February 15, 2015, 12:38:29 PM
I hope this time he WILL eat his own words up and they'll get him real bad! A close friend of Tavecchio given too much air and what is next, they want to stop Carpi from coming up? A team who has excelled and shown everyone what the game is all about! If you want to stop teams with most spirit and best performances from rightfully gaining promotions then you've killed last thrill/reason to watch this sport and sold last soul off

Like i said yesterday, Lotito isn't saying he doesn't want Carpi or Frosinone or Latina in Serie A. He was pointing out the flaws in the league which could allow ALL THREE to be promoted at the same time. This would be a problem, I agree with him, which is why he wants the league reduced to 18 teams with only 1 direct relegation/promotion between divisions and another via a playoff.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: drazvan on February 17, 2015, 01:30:26 PM
As much as I dont like Lotito as a person or Lazio president, I really dont understand the big deal here. He just stated the obvious. Like Cathal said, this is nothing new and cannot come as a surprise to football people. Business is business. In Eredivisie, Vitesse was not allowed to reach CL 2 years ago because Abramovici did not want it. That's a known fact all over Europe and UEFA took 0 measures to prevent it. In various other leagues I've seen teams fighting for promotion the whole season only to start suddenly losing in the last games and blow their chances. Hell, in CL nobody wants Ludogorets or Steaua Bucharest or Malmo FC in the semifinals!  And they wont reach it ever in the next years.
We can take the innocent view and say that thats all sport. Some teams are better, some teams get tired, etc. But the truth is that football is business and you need to be at the rich table to play it.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: The Undertaker on February 17, 2015, 04:55:58 PM
Lotito even made it to the greek sites and news.  :supsmile:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Secret_Samadhi on February 17, 2015, 05:35:32 PM
I'll rather see Vicenza, Bologna, Bari, Perugia, Avellino that freaking Frosinone, Carpi or some other 2.000 per game club.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Eka_Baron on February 17, 2015, 11:27:18 PM
http://football-italia.net/62775/lotito-figc-reform-talks (http://football-italia.net/62775/lotito-figc-reform-talks)

Lotito influenced at FIGC has been reduced?

and also Zamparini comment on Lotito like a Mussolini  :razz:

http://football-italia.net/62757/%E2%80%98lotito-mussolini%E2%80%99 (http://football-italia.net/62757/%E2%80%98lotito-mussolini%E2%80%99)
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Aquile12 on February 18, 2015, 03:17:16 AM
Apparently Lotito is vying with Juventus for "supremacy" of Serie A.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Secret_Samadhi on February 18, 2015, 07:23:01 AM
Lotito is right, it's damaging for italian football if you see bunch of little provincial clubs in Serie A, who would play on different avenues, cuz their 2.000 seat stadium dosen't fit the rules. Who wants those clubs?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on February 18, 2015, 10:42:33 AM
Apparently Lotito is vying with Juventus for "supremacy" of Serie A.

Lotito is not vying for supremacy with anyone.

Iodice is a director at a Lega Pro side which could end up going amateur again by the end of the season. He's a nobody who was lucky enough for his team to play in the same division as Lotito's second team, Salernitana. That enabled Iodice to get Lotito on the phone and Iodice, who probably gets paid peanuts, saw a golden opportunity to earn himself several years' salary by taping Lotito and selling the conversation to La Repubblica. Class act.

Lotito has the backing of virtually every club in Italy, because he works in their best interests.

Lotito might not want Carpi in Serie A, but let's remember, Demetrio Albertini doesn't want clubs like Carpi to exist and many of the big players supported that. Lotito did not. So these clubs, although they see the need to protect themselves from Lotito, they know he's the lesser of two evils.

This is politics. Lotito is powerful because he's Tavecchio's right-hand man. The fact Lotito is having to give up some duties for Tavecchio to oversee matters means absolutely nothing as Lotito still pulls the strings.

Juventus hate Lotito because the 18 clubs in Serie A, and probably even 1927 although they can't admit it publicly, prefer a TV rights arrangement that sees them get more money and Juventus get less.

If the TV right money was distributed the way Juventus want it to be, there will be no competition. Juventus will win the Scudetto year in, year out.

So the irony here is, opposing Lotito will mean Italian football will turn into Juventus being an unstoppable force and clubs like Carpi and Frosinone turning into S.S. Lazio B.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: phantomm1976 on February 18, 2015, 10:48:02 AM
 I hope that he will work for our "the best"  :vcool:.
 Jokes aside , nice and interesting post.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Aquile12 on February 19, 2015, 02:24:44 AM
Apparently Lotito is vying with Juventus for "supremacy" of Serie A.
Lotito is not vying for supremacy with anyone.

Actually this was just a quotation from one of the articles.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: phantomm1976 on February 19, 2015, 01:54:10 PM
 The sentence : Lazio will fight for scudeto in the next three years could also means:
 Lazio will sell : Biglia-Candreva-Lulic-FA-dE Vrij....
 And we sign Morrison-Hoedt,
 We will bring Guideti and those players will lead us to the new scudeto.
 I hope that this is my fear and we will keep our best players + new signing.
  :offlag:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on February 20, 2015, 10:43:54 AM
Actually this was just a quotation from one of the articles.

I know, I was just stating that I don't think there's an actual battle between Lotito and Juventus.

Juventus have few friends in Italy, and although Lotito is hardly the most amiable character, he has plenty of friends when it comes to business.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Crni Đorđe on February 20, 2015, 09:58:42 PM
http://www.lalaziosiamonoi.it/sondaggi/sondaggio-147 (http://www.lalaziosiamonoi.it/sondaggi/sondaggio-147)

Expected result, must say.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on March 22, 2015, 03:45:33 PM
Lotito will have a Serie B club next season, unless things change. I know a lot of you are worried about this..I am not..I think it's good.

Knowing Lotito it's not hard to predict what he is going to do.

Imagine being able to send youngsters to a Serie B club that " we " control..we have influence on them being played every week and we know they won't rot on the bench unless they are actually not good enough.

A few years ago I was worried about whether Lotito would be switching focus to the other club, but now when I think about it..that is insane. There's no way Salernitana can compete with a big Serie A club like ours..and Lotito knows the infrastructure required to be a top club in Italy.

Salernitana may end up being a satellite club for Lazio and that is fine. Better than us sending youngsters to some clubs where we have no influence. In fact this together with the academy could be a blessing in disguise.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on March 22, 2015, 03:50:29 PM
Seems clear Lotito bought Salernitana to become the most powerful man in Italian football. Being the man in charge of both Lazio and Salernitana enables him to have conversations with every president in calcio, which translates into votes in elections and more importantly for Lotito, power.

Don't assume Lotito is going to send our talents to Serie B. That would make him unpopular, and that's the last thing he wants to be.

Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on March 22, 2015, 03:56:27 PM
Don't assume Lotito is going to send our talents to Serie B. That would make him unpopular, and that's the last thing he wants to be.

Unpopular how?

I'd rather have Minala, Perea and Crecco playing for Salernitana than sitting on the bench in a club that didn't know what sort of player they were renting.

He wouldn't be so stupid to send away players who are good enough for the 1st team. Surely Pioli would be asked before.

I dunno though, for me this just seems like an act of genius. Sure, power is another incentive that shouldn't be underestimated.

But having a satellite club to loan youngsters to...doesn't sound like a bad idea. 
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on March 22, 2015, 04:04:26 PM
Unpopular how?

I'd rather have Minala, Perea and Crecco playing for Salernitana than sitting on the bench in a club that didn't know what sort of player they were renting.

He wouldn't be so stupid to send away players who are good enough for the 1st team. Surely Pioli would be asked before.

I dunno though, for me this just seems like an act of genius. Sure, power is another incentive that shouldn't be underestimated.

But having a satellite club to loan youngsters to...doesn't sound like a bad idea.

Lotito has got all Lega Pro clubs on side by buying Salernitana. If next season Salernitana are in Serie B, there are 60 club presidents in the Italian football system that Lotito cannot start phoning up, as he did with Pino Iodice, for example.

The one thing every Lega Pro club is concerned about is the idea that they will be turned into feeder clubs or replaced by B teams. So if Lotito starts sending a load of Lazio players to Salernitana, those 60 club presidents are going to think 'wait a minute, this guy is not on side at all - he's going to prevent teams like us from getting to the top'.

Which is exactly what Lotito is being accused of at the moment with regard to Iodice. The last thing Lotito wants to do is rock that boat, especially when he's not even supposed to be in charge of Salernitana.

If Salernitana was bought to be a feeder club, you wouldn't have 5-10 players lacking playing time in Serie B. They'd simply be starting in Lega Pro.

Lotito doesn't care about using Salernitana as a feeder club, he cares about using Lazio as a parent club to create a team (Salernitana) that enables him to win over people in the Italian game.

I'd be surprised if a single player goes on loan from Lazio to Salernitana next season.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Crni Đorđe on March 22, 2015, 04:07:13 PM
There was already bunch of players from Lazio in Salernitana on various loans, in past seasons. Only Mendicino made his way. Other were scarce.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on March 22, 2015, 04:19:13 PM
There was already bunch of players from Lazio in Salernitana on various loans, in past seasons. Only Mendicino made his way. Other were scarce.

They were sent there to keep Salernitana in the league system though, presumably so Lotito could be popular. Now he has stopped doing it - they have Tuia and Mendicino, but not a single player than is on Lazio's books.

Anyway, I think this discussion is meaningless. It's disadvantageous for Lotito for Salernitana to be in Serie B.

I expect to see Benevento securing automatic promotion (only 2 points behind) and a below-par Salernitana in the play-offs.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: hamid on March 25, 2015, 06:20:26 AM
Lazio President Claudio Lotito said selling Hernanes to Inter was “a masterstroke” and slammed the old transfer costs.

The Brazilian midfielder made the transfer for a reported €18m plus bonuses in January 2014.

“After realising the situation, I called his agent and talked to him after the game with Napoli,” Lotito told students at the European University in Rome.

“Not much time had gone by when the agent called back and said he wanted to leave. I got €20m out of it and would’ve lost him for free at the end of the season. It was a real masterstroke.

“We are signing up young players who over the years can increase the value of our club. The examples clear for all to see are Keita Balde Diao and Felipe Anderson.

“There were people here before me who would spend €90m on Gaizka Mendieta without ascertaining the real quality of the player. These things never happened with me.

“When it came to players, I always made choices. They must provide morality and economic compatibility.

“Miroslav Klose? When someone arrives like the German who earns €4m per season, you need to create something different. That’s why we thought up so many initiatives to increase the sense of belonging to our club colours.”


http://football-italia.net/64304/lotito-hernanes-sale-masterstroke (http://football-italia.net/64304/lotito-hernanes-sale-masterstroke)

So now Lotito is a university professor or what?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: flurffmeister on March 25, 2015, 07:38:48 AM
what a prick , no respect for a player who formerly gave his all to the jersey cried when left and supported us week in week us while at Inter.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: LazioKosovo on March 25, 2015, 09:11:25 AM
flurffmeister, Lotito explained how he made good decision on catching the last train and as far I remembered everybody on this forum agreed that selling Hernanes for that fee was excellent decision. There is nothing to hide there. Also, Lotito didn't mentioned dedication of Hernanes to Lazio since that was not part of the lecture I think.
Furthermore, Lotito many times explained how will manage the club. He will manage club in a financially healthy manner. No Parma scenario for Lazio. Maybe results will not be as Cragnotti's but team will never be in danger. Buying players for insane amounts of money and selling them for a fistful of dimes is suicidal.
 
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: blue-white on March 25, 2015, 09:13:22 AM
why no respect?
i don't read anything disrespectful.

Fact is that Hernanes wanted to leave, and Lotito got around 20mill. out of this sale. A business masterpiece is that in my opinion. Hernanes would have left for free at the end of the season. What would people called Lotito then?

Sorry...I'm for sure not a fan of Lotito, but some business of him is perfect, and the Hernanes sale is clearly one of them.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Stefano6 on March 25, 2015, 09:23:07 AM

So now Lotito is a university professor or what?

Sometimes coaches and owners do a what in Italy they call "professor for a day" which really just means they go and give some talks at University to students studying something relevant, in this case probably business students.


I dont see anything disrespectful there, its not like hes celebrating the fact that he went, hes happy with himself that due to speaking with his agent he was able to bring in €20m for a player that wanted to leave, but obviously hadnt made that clear to Lotito.
Without that money I doubt we would be where we are now.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Rizmo on March 25, 2015, 09:25:15 AM
I have a brainfreeze... Was Hernanes contract expiring that season? I was sure he had at least a year left. Great business yes and no disrespect from lotito towards the player.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on March 25, 2015, 09:47:28 AM
I have a brainfreeze... Was Hernanes contract expiring that season? I was sure he had at least a year left. Great business yes and no disrespect from lotito towards the player.

He signed a 5 year deal when he came here, so he had 18 months to run, but he could've bought out the final year of his contract and left for free under Article 17.

Lotito is either insinuating that the deal was amazing because he knows Article 17 was an option, or he is insinuating that Hernanes or his agent had threatened to use it.

The real interesting aspect is the badly-phrased final paragraph that insinuates Klose earns 4 million per year. Is Lotito actually admitting that Klose is on a 4 million euro salary? Or has something been lost in translation?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: blue-white on March 25, 2015, 09:49:59 AM
one part will be translation, other part that Klose will get with bonuses more than only 2,2 mill.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on March 25, 2015, 09:52:58 AM
one part will be translation, other part that Klose will get with bonuses more than only 2,2 mill.

Well in that case, I hope he retires  :razz:

If he's getting almost 2 million in bonuses, no wonder he's still at Lazio.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: birulangit on March 25, 2015, 10:31:36 AM

“There were people here before me who would spend €90m on Gaizka Mendieta without ascertaining the real quality of the player. These things never happened with me"

He forgot about alfaro and ederson.
spending money on players with no (little) contribution.

Although they are not expensive.

Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: LazioKosovo on March 25, 2015, 10:32:43 AM
"Miroslav Klose? When someone arrives like the German who earns €4m per season, you need to create something different. That’s why we thought up so many initiatives to increase the sense of belonging to our club colours.”
About earning €4m per season, was he referring to Mario Gomez or to Klose? The sentence itself leaves some space for dual explanation. Also, I know that (without bonuses) Klose earns 2.2 million while Gomez earns 4 million per season.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Amir on March 25, 2015, 11:05:23 AM
"Miroslav Klose? When someone arrives like the German who earns €4m per season, you need to create something different. That’s why we thought up so many initiatives to increase the sense of belonging to our club colours.”
About earning €4m per season, was he referring to Mario Gomez or to Klose? The sentence itself leaves some space for dual explanation. Also, I know that (without bonuses) Klose earns 2.2 million while Gomez earns 4 million per season.

Klose used to earn 4 per season...before joining us, he refers to making conditions and persuading players to take a pay cut to joining us.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on March 25, 2015, 11:07:19 AM
Yeah, I'm sure something has gone amiss in the way that has been translated. Klose might be on 4 million here, but Lotito would never admit that.

Amir's explanation makes sense, though it's still really vague.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Giolazio on March 25, 2015, 11:55:58 AM
I'm sure Klose is on 4m gross wages. Leaving him pretty much the 2.2m net we all know.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: drazvan on March 25, 2015, 12:04:41 PM
he meant just that it is difficult to attract a player who earns 4 mil per year when all you can offer is half. this is why he had to show him a plan and some real values. nothing wrong here.

and about hernanes: say what we want but the truth is that hernanes's performances were nowhere near what was expected. his level dropped massively after his first 2 years and he wanted a new challenge. we got 20 mil euro for a player that was not worth half that. nobody sane would pay more than 10 for hernanes now. i liked hernanes as a person, but i hated the player he was becoming. maybe he lacked motivation, maybe he wanted more etc. thing is that we got the best out of it and felipe anderson is way better. even candreva did an ok job replacing hernanes. he is not really missed. not at all.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Giolazio on March 25, 2015, 12:10:32 PM
he meant just that it is difficult to attract a player who earns 4 mil per year when all you can offer is half. this is why he had to show him a plan and some real values. nothing wrong here.

and about hernanes: say what we want but the truth is that hernanes's performances were nowhere near what was expected. his level dropped massively after his first 2 years and he wanted a new challenge. we got 20 mil euro for a player that was not worth half that. nobody sane would pay more than 10 for hernanes now. i liked hernanes as a person, but i hated the player he was becoming. maybe he lacked motivation, maybe he wanted more etc. thing is that we got the best out of it and felipe anderson is way better. even candreva did an ok job replacing hernanes. he is not really missed. not at all.

Yeah but if Klose earns 2.2m net wages then his gross wages would be close to 4m no?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on March 27, 2015, 02:02:00 AM
http://football-italia.net/64387/moggi-calciopoli-not-over (http://football-italia.net/64387/moggi-calciopoli-not-over)


" “Carraro was heard in phone calls telling a refereeing designator ‘We must save Lazio and it would be a shame if Fiorentina were relegated,’ then what are we talking about? It’s obvious Moggi couldn’t care less what happened to Fiorentina. "

Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: hamid on March 27, 2015, 06:34:11 AM
[url]http://football-italia.net/64387/moggi-calciopoli-not-over[/url] ([url]http://football-italia.net/64387/moggi-calciopoli-not-over[/url])


" “Carraro was heard in phone calls telling a refereeing designator ‘We must save Lazio and it would be a shame if Fiorentina were relegated,’ then what are we talking about? It’s obvious Moggi couldn’t care less what happened to Fiorentina. "


I dont understand why our name should always come up in these kind of discussions!
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Giolazio on March 27, 2015, 11:25:18 AM
[url]http://football-italia.net/64387/moggi-calciopoli-not-over[/url] ([url]http://football-italia.net/64387/moggi-calciopoli-not-over[/url])


" “Carraro was heard in phone calls telling a refereeing designator ‘We must save Lazio and it would be a shame if Fiorentina were relegated,’ then what are we talking about? It’s obvious Moggi couldn’t care less what happened to Fiorentina. "


I dont understand why our name should always come up in these kind of discussions!


They love to drag our name through the mud. Anyway, nothing can be done now, the time limit has passed on Calciopoli.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Crni Đorđe on March 27, 2015, 11:27:32 AM
But I must admit I love his joke about Inter.  :razz:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on March 27, 2015, 11:31:03 AM
But I must admit I love his joke about Inter.  :razz:

Yeah I laughed when reading it, the guy has a point to be honest. What transfers  :supsmile:

Makes you wonder though, was Moggi just the scapegoat?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Giolazio on March 27, 2015, 12:43:06 PM
But I must admit I love his joke about Inter.  :razz:

Yeah I laughed when reading it, the guy has a point to be honest. What transfers  :supsmile:

Makes you wonder though, was Moggi just the scapegoat?

I really doubt that, the guy was corrupt as hell. However there were certain 'entities' that were protected.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Rizmo on March 27, 2015, 06:58:25 PM
he meant just that it is difficult to attract a player who earns 4 mil per year when all you can offer is half. this is why he had to show him a plan and some real values. nothing wrong here.

and about hernanes: say what we want but the truth is that hernanes's performances were nowhere near what was expected. his level dropped massively after his first 2 years and he wanted a new challenge. we got 20 mil euro for a player that was not worth half that. nobody sane would pay more than 10 for hernanes now. i liked hernanes as a person, but i hated the player he was becoming. maybe he lacked motivation, maybe he wanted more etc. thing is that we got the best out of it and felipe anderson is way better. even candreva did an ok job replacing hernanes. he is not really missed. not at all.

Yeah but if Klose earns 2.2m net wages then his gross wages would be close to 4m no?

Yes Lotito was reffering to that Klose either was on a €4 mil contract before joining us or just spoke in general that it's hard to attract players on a €4 mil contract to come here and earn half.

No way Klose earns €4 mil here. All contract details from Klose's €2 mil, Ederson €1.6 etc must be gross. Surely?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on March 27, 2015, 07:16:38 PM
I think they're gross, otherwise our wage bill is about 100 million rather than 60, and that doesn't add up but then I'm no expert.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Crni Đorđe on March 29, 2015, 07:09:06 PM
(https://scontent-mxp.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11071716_755679971228648_8458143277057182671_n.jpg?oh=2b019c2efd5e62bc3adcec32a8bf4e27&oe=55BAFCD1)

The guy works on promotion.  :supsmile:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Giolazio on March 29, 2015, 10:00:04 PM
I think they're gross, otherwise our wage bill is about 100 million rather than 60, and that doesn't add up but then I'm no expert.

Yeah coz that article in Gazzetta that listed all the players wages in Serie A said netto (net). This would mean Klose does have a 4m wage at Lazio. He sees about 2.2m of it, the tax man sees the rest.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on May 19, 2015, 12:42:29 PM
How do all of you guys feel about  Lotitos sudden influx of power?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Crni Đorđe on May 19, 2015, 01:05:47 PM
It's not exactly sudden. For some time is open secret that Lotito is a main player in Lega and FIGC chambers, as a leader of anti-Juve party (which consist of almost all teams from A). Plus, lot of powerful presidents from Lega Pro stand with him.

And he has backing in politics.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Crni Đorđe on May 19, 2015, 07:30:46 PM
In afternoon, recorded phone call pops out (as a part of match-fixing investigation in Calabria). Allegedly, two who were talking were Ercole De Nicola, ds L'Aquila and Vittorio Caligani, ex ds of some Italian teams. According to tapes, De Nicola said to Caligani that Lotito, besides Lazio and Salernitana, has in ownership Bari and Brescia. Together, with no more no less, Adriano Galliani and Infront.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on May 20, 2015, 01:25:26 AM
Didn't know what thread to put this one in, but guess the Lotito one is the best.

" However, La Repubblica reports that the Bianconeri do not wish to move the match, even though it would give them two days of extra rest after the Coppa Italia final. "

Seeing a lot of conspiracy theories about Lotito being so powerful he is controlling the might Juventus like a puppet...

 :supsmile:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Crni Đorđe on June 10, 2015, 11:24:53 AM
Lotito under investigation for tending extortion in 'Iodice case'.

 :razz:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Giolazio on June 10, 2015, 12:04:22 PM
Lotito under investigation for tending extortion in 'Iodice case'.

 :razz:

Why can't he put his dodgy dealings to good use and get us a stadium?  :razz:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Sile on June 10, 2015, 12:30:03 PM
Is this anything to joke about? I wasn't really following the Iodice case, but this may seem serious.
http://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/Serie-A/Lazio/10-06-2015/lotito-indagato-tentata-estorsione-perquisizione-digos-figc-120109571894.shtml (http://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/Serie-A/Lazio/10-06-2015/lotito-indagato-tentata-estorsione-perquisizione-digos-figc-120109571894.shtml)
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Crni Đorđe on June 10, 2015, 12:32:21 PM
Lotito under investigation for tending extortion in 'Iodice case'.

 :razz:

Why can't he put his dodgy dealings to good use and get us a stadium?  :razz:

Lotito is little weasel. He firstly need to extorts enough to build.  :supsmile:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on June 10, 2015, 12:48:29 PM
Very hard to take this case seriously when you notice that the prosecutors are Napoletana....

I am not one of those people who love Lotito, but this seems like another step in the witch hunt towards La Lazio...Mauri and now Lotito...

Does no one else find it strange how we constantly seem to be the target of investigations and prosecutions...



Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on June 10, 2015, 12:50:18 PM
Very hard to take this case seriously when you notice that the prosecutors are Napoletana....

I am not one of those people who love Lotito, but this seems like another step in the witch hunt towards La Lazio...Mauri and now Lotito...

Does no one else find it strange how we constantly seem to be the target of investigations and prosecutions...

Nothing strange about it. Everyone knows it is a crime nowadays to state an opinion on the telephone  :whistle:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Giolazio on June 10, 2015, 12:52:04 PM
Very hard to take this case seriously when you notice that the prosecutors are Napoletana....

I am not one of those people who love Lotito, but this seems like another step in the witch hunt towards La Lazio...Mauri and now Lotito...

Does no one else find it strange how we constantly seem to be the target of investigations and prosecutions...

Nothing strange about it. Everyone knows it is a crime nowadays to state an opinion on the telephone  :whistle:

It's going to get to the point where you see people using a cell phone once for a private call and destroying it Soprano's style!
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on June 10, 2015, 12:59:05 PM
Can someone tell me what part of the articles covers money extortion? because i don't see it anywhere...

All I see is Lotito giving them a very unpopular opinion...

Where is the money extortion ?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Crni Đorđe on June 10, 2015, 01:01:50 PM
Can someone tell me what part of the articles covers money extortion? because i don't see it anywhere...

All I see is Lotito giving them a very unpopular opinion...

Where is the money extortion ?

Iodice already stated that he has some other tapes made in conversation with Lotito, back in February when 'Carpi sucks' tape reached Sun. Believe that police is active on that other tapes.

Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on June 10, 2015, 01:03:44 PM
Can someone tell me what part of the articles covers money extortion? because i don't see it anywhere...

All I see is Lotito giving them a very unpopular opinion...

Where is the money extortion ?

Iodice already stated that he has some other tapes made in conversation with Lotito, back in February when 'Carpi sucks' tape reached Sun. Believe that police is active on that other tapes.

Okay, so basically they announce a case to the media without having given any concrete evidence..

Somehow I am not surprised because that seems to be the italian way of doing this stuff...

In certain countries something like this would be illegal...you don't put this stuff in the public without evidence and Lotito could sue for damage to him and the club...
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Crni Đorđe on June 10, 2015, 01:09:11 PM
Can someone tell me what part of the articles covers money extortion? because i don't see it anywhere...

All I see is Lotito giving them a very unpopular opinion...

Where is the money extortion ?

Iodice already stated that he has some other tapes made in conversation with Lotito, back in February when 'Carpi sucks' tape reached Sun. Believe that police is active on that other tapes.

Okay, so basically they announce a case to the media without having given any concrete evidence..

Somehow I am not surprised because that seems to be the italian way of doing this stuff...

In certain countries something like this would be illegal...you don't put this stuff in the public without evidence and Lotito could sue for damage to him and the club...

Well, Lotito should sue Iodice already in February for wiretapping. I believe he already did that. Procura didn't announce anything 'official', as it looks. More like CorSport find :whistle: some infos about investigation.
Italian prosecutors came in public, but they don't doing that while investigation is in process. They come out after everything is finished and evidents are obtained.

This is more like an anti-Lotito campaign, already attempted in February.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Giolazio on June 10, 2015, 01:10:47 PM
Can someone tell me what part of the articles covers money extortion? because i don't see it anywhere...

All I see is Lotito giving them a very unpopular opinion...

Where is the money extortion ?

Iodice already stated that he has some other tapes made in conversation with Lotito, back in February when 'Carpi sucks' tape reached Sun. Believe that police is active on that other tapes.

Okay, so basically they announce a case to the media without having given any concrete evidence..

Somehow I am not surprised because that seems to be the italian way of doing this stuff...

In certain countries something like this would be illegal...you don't put this stuff in the public without evidence and Lotito could sue for damage to him and the club...

You have clearly never looked at the front page of a UK tabloid!  :supsmile:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Stefano6 on June 10, 2015, 01:43:50 PM
Or any tabloid for that matter.

Its increasingly difficult nowadays to find actual news, verified sources, and actual facts, rather than just opinion and conjecture.

Which unfortunately means whenever anything bad is reported - the Mauri case is a good example - the accused is immediately guilty in the eyes of the hoards of uninformed/misinformed because it was written in bold on a paper or website. And that bold bit is normally all that gets read.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Evesto on June 10, 2015, 03:15:27 PM
It's all very logical to me.  Since the moment Lazio secured 3rd place i expected many formats to try and keep us away from the CL.  It immediatly started with Mauri again, then Federbet, now Lotito and we can be damn sure up untill the 7th of august (CL) stuff like this will continue.

Those gambling charges & 'some' of Lotito's actions have taken more away from SS Lazio then we already know .....
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Crni Đorđe on June 10, 2015, 11:26:48 PM
Lotito = Berlusconi 2.0
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Stefano6 on June 10, 2015, 11:59:29 PM
Lets not esagerate, he may be a ruthless business man who hasnt always played by the rules, but he hasnt slept with any under age prostitutes or used his influence to get someone a green card, or any of the other ridiculous/illegal things that Berlusconi got away with just because of who he has in his pocket.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Crni Đorđe on June 11, 2015, 12:15:02 AM
I wasn't pointing on prostitutes or any of that things. My thought is that he will use his connections in sport (mainly in Lazio) to spring in politics one day, just as Berlusconi did with Milan.

It will be tougher for Lotito, because he isn't rich as Berlusconi was at his political beginnings.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Stefano6 on June 11, 2015, 08:56:47 AM
Youre right, he might go into Politics, but I dont think he is anywhere near as corrupt as Berlusconi is
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Sile on June 11, 2015, 11:48:34 AM
He's the Moralizzatore!
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Giolazio on June 11, 2015, 01:09:08 PM
Unfortunately to be another Berlusconi you have to control about 80% of the country's media. A famous journalist was once asked why not many bad words are said about him in the press, he replied because everyone knows at one point they will work for him...Lotito has no chance lol
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Crni Đorđe on June 11, 2015, 01:16:47 PM
Unfortunately to be another Berlusconi you have to control about 80% of the country's media. A famous journalist was once asked why not many bad words are said about him in the press, he replied because everyone knows at one point they will work for him...Lotito has no chance lol

Yeah, but Berlusca won't live forever.  :supsmile:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 01, 2015, 02:28:09 PM
What's all this news about Lotito, Catania case and exorcist?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 23, 2015, 01:15:09 AM
We don't have any money to buy players and lotito is becoming a Wheeler and dealer..yet still no shirt sponsor for god knows what year..

Just going to throw this out here..

Lotito is a poor business man, he might be better than average at spotting good deals on players. .but very poor at driving income in other ways...

Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Stefano6 on July 23, 2015, 09:07:22 AM
I think his multiple successful business, of which Lazio is only one, would disagree with you
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Don on July 23, 2015, 11:42:15 AM
Lotito is a poor business man, he might be better than average at spotting good deals on players. .but very poor at driving income in other ways...

Funny statement...
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 23, 2015, 12:46:17 PM
What is funny about it?

And Stefano  I don't care about how he runs his other businesses..only Lazio.

Are we really going to argue the fact it's poor business to not have a shirt sponsor for god knows how long and meanwhile be in a situation where we can't afford to buy players that makes us a stronger team?

I'd take any income I could get, if I was in Lotitos position right now.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 25, 2015, 02:36:38 PM
"Indeed it has been almost 8 years since Lazio has had a shirt sponsor, and it has been estimated that the club has lost €30 million in revenue because of the blank space on the jersey"

 :whistle:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Giolazio on July 25, 2015, 06:49:43 PM
"Indeed it has been almost 8 years since Lazio has had a shirt sponsor, and it has been estimated that the club has lost €30 million in revenue because of the blank space on the jersey"

 :whistle:

That's only 3.75 million Euros a season, every little helps, but that is peanuts.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: moody on July 25, 2015, 06:50:44 PM
well at least we had good jerseys
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cnon on July 25, 2015, 07:02:55 PM
Yeah 3,75 million would actually be very low for a team like Lazio. I think teams like Sassuolo and Genoa earn even more. I would want at least 5 million annually for a team like Lazio.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 25, 2015, 07:23:59 PM
I guess that's why it says estimated, it may be higher.

Even so, 3.75 mill euros a year covers two of our highest paid players wages on a yearly basis..

Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Rizmo on July 25, 2015, 07:30:19 PM
I wonder how many more jerseys we have sold due to no sponsor on them.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cnon on July 25, 2015, 07:38:09 PM
3,75 mil is a fair estimation as 6-8 years ago 3,75 would have been good for Lazio then. But now 3,75 is low. The reason why I think Lazio haven't had a shirt sponsor is that the offers have been something like 3 million and 5 years. Lotito knows that when Lazio really get to the level where we finished last season, it would be handicapping the future because then he couldn't agree bigger offers like 5 million and 4 years. But on the other hand he's been waiting for better offers and have been losing money in the meantime.

I wonder if there would be a big offer IF Lazio qualifies into the UCL, it's just so big market that a team without a sponsor might lure big offers.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Don on July 25, 2015, 09:20:53 PM
Yep. I think the same. We could have some money over the years right, but I defend Lotito for the decision, only a big offer earns the right to be on our Front jersey!
If you want pride and eggs, here you have it... :bravo:
Some might See it different
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on August 30, 2015, 10:48:36 PM
Genius work this summer Lotito..

Super coppa lost
CL qualifying lost
Building a steady foundation for the new season...lost

And there's no doubt in my mind that this started when Lotito went with an absolutely braindead approach to the mercato. We had an excellent chance to make some changes..bring in some skilled players and grow the team..instead he focuses 100% on buying youngsters thinking they can pull the weight of the team...

Yeah I get it, people are going to tell me to relax. Just like they did when we had one shocking performance after another in the pre-season matches.

I am crossing fingers for some miracle tomorrow, we need something major to happen. I have no problem whatsoever with us selling a player or even two...but for the love of god..bring someone in with good experience...someone who make a difference in the starting 11.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Secret_Samadhi on August 31, 2015, 09:19:06 AM
Lotito is an idiot. Instead of buying some players that can make a direct impact, he goes for some diper kids who'll need 2-3 years to adapt. And then he demands results. I dunno who is biger idiot, he or Tare. They fuked up a great chance for Lazio to get into big guns and make some money. Yeah, let's buy another unproven kid who only had a good half season for 8 million. IDIOTS!
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: phantomm1976 on August 31, 2015, 07:06:28 PM
 9.5 m for sub player.....without a new one for starting position(LB-Striker) ....strange ?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Crni Đorđe on September 19, 2015, 11:04:14 AM
De Martino gave a long interview for today's Corriere, claiming that club has some new idea for future, mainly new site and foundation. If someone wants to translate in English, so it be. It's a long and I'm not so good at Italian yet.  :supsmile:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Evesto on September 19, 2015, 07:41:58 PM
De Martino gave a long interview for today's Corriere, claiming that club has some new idea for future, mainly new site and foundation. If someone wants to translate in English, so it be. It's a long and I'm not so good at Italian yet.  :supsmile:

Interesting, could you post the link or the article?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Crni Đorđe on September 19, 2015, 10:50:48 PM
http://www.lalaziosiamonoi.it/il-punto-di/de-martino-basta-attacchi-di-carattere-politico-pronti-a-presentare-la-fondazione-della-lazio-57884 (http://www.lalaziosiamonoi.it/il-punto-di/de-martino-basta-attacchi-di-carattere-politico-pronti-a-presentare-la-fondazione-della-lazio-57884)
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Stefano6 on September 19, 2015, 11:42:27 PM
Since 2008, he has managed every type of communication from Lazio. Fresh from his renewal, Stefano De Martino spoke at length to il Corriere. Many topics were covered, starting with the recent accusations from Le Monde:
"The article starts with an attack on the Lazio crest. There is no justification and it has angered both the club and our fans. We strongly protest these accusations, and will have replied to the accuser.
Throughout Europe, Lazios image is attacked often for history that I protest against, and for reasons not on the pitch, but instead for political and religious reasons, without considering that the club and those involved with her work hard to show respect to other clubs and ethnicities. Staying on the subject of France, I remind everyone of the initiative we showed after the Charlie Hebdo incident, playing with the slogan "je suis charlie" on the shirts, which received universal praise"


Going on to talk about his own role:
"The work started in 2008 when the club decided to restructure the way it communicated to the fans and the world, starting with the birth of the official magazine, followed by the TV channel and official radio."

To many outside of Lazio it seems that the club remains distant from its fans. Is this due to the behavior and attitude of Lotito?
"Any difficulties are not to do with the behavior of Lotito, who is a very charismatic man, with a strong character. The difficulty comes from working in a Roman system, with a lot of red tape and many different people having their say. And the end of last season we finished the first phase of our project, and now begins the second - and hardest - part, which by means of print, TV and radio will hopefully close the perceived distance between the club and our fans. We will also try to fight against those who try and spread mistruth and deceive the fans."

"Over the next 3 years we will increase out presence online, starting with the imminent launch of a new website, which will become a real interactive portal into the world of Lazio. We will also work closely with foreign sites, particularly those in Asia. We will become a club that speaks many languages, helping to welcome fans from across the world. Over the last few years we have graced the pages of well known sports magazines such as So Foot and Kicker, and hope to continue to do so.
Since 2004 Lazio has been in a long process of restructure and growth, and in processes such as these there are many phases, some of which can create distance to the fans. Over the next couple of season we intend to close these distances and everyone will speak the language of Lazio, not Roman."

"Mistakes have been made, and mistakes will be made, but every action and decision taken by the club has had the sole aim of growing as a club and offering the fans the chance to hear the truth directly from us."


Speaking about the fact that the Lazio channel was not added to the Sky TV Package:
"The proposal from Sky was for the image rights to the Champions League, and also to benefit from the historic image rights of Lazio. We decided not to follow teams like Juventus and Roma, and due to prior agreements we will work on an ongoing project that will help us reach more viewers who want to live and breath the world of Lazio, 24hrs a day. We are working on a project to digitalise the entire history of the club, and other interesting projects, but now is not the time to speak of those, their time will come"

"In the next few weeks we will unveil an international foundation that will work closely with those already providing aid and relief to those in need, the Lazio Foundation - something that Claudio Lotito wanted very much, and will be managed by his wife, Cristina Mezzaroma, a woman with great communication skills and morality."
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on September 20, 2015, 10:17:52 AM
It has been reported in the media previously that the club plan to launch a new official website in September, but it hasn't made front page news, probably because there's been talk of a new official website for years.

However, we heard about the plans quite some time ago - we just couldn't say anything about it. Now the cat's out of the bag... there's not much to say about it.

The club have definitely began to value international fans more in recent times. When De Martino says they plan to work closely with fan groups particularly in Asia, I'd imagine this stems from the organisation of the Supercoppa with Grande Lazio, the Chinese supporters group. There's a couple of articles on our website that detail that co-operation in August.

But what worries me about a new official website is to what extent a new official website might rely on the input of volunteering fans.

I've read enough complaints here to know what fans want from a new website and I've heard enough about the club's plans to say that they at least intend to address those criticisms, but let's see how it pans out. I mean, let's see if the club launch it in the next 10 days as has been communicated in the past. 'Imminent' would suggest any day now.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on September 20, 2015, 12:04:11 PM
Yeah we really do need a new website..and one that is a massive upgrade from everything we had until now.

The current one doesn't even have a squad list  :what:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Silindeee on September 20, 2015, 12:17:51 PM
And it doesnt have other languages ,only italian,how is this a worldwide site?its not.
A well informed site is always good,people can inform for the team and not search 10 sites to learn something about our team.
And would like to seems like  a "premier league" team site .
Videos about the team,trainings,bla bla etc haha i ask too much?  :scarfup:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Rizmo on September 20, 2015, 12:29:52 PM
And it doesnt have other languages ,only italian,how is this a worldwide site?its not.
A well informed site is always good,people can inform for the team and not search 10 sites to learn something about our team.
And would like to seems like  a "premier league" team site .
Videos about the team,trainings,bla bla etc haha i ask too much?  :scarfup:

Noway. It's 2015 ffs! This should be standard!

In a couple of years I'd imagine we can put on some sort of goggles and attend the trainings, be at the stadium etc  :whistle:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Silindeee on September 20, 2015, 12:55:21 PM
Our official tweeter is also only italian...like we are supposed to translate eveything!! :sevil:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Stefano6 on September 20, 2015, 12:59:54 PM
Thats not really that uncommon though, Lazio are an Italian club after all. You dont see Arsenal tweeting in Italian for example.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Silindeee on September 20, 2015, 01:16:54 PM
Thats not really that uncommon though, Lazio are an Italian club after all. You dont see Arsenal tweeting in Italian for example.
I agree,but arsenal gives you the option to switch languages in their site,like many other teams. As for tweeter , it should be english,because nowdays internet is used by everyone and english is the most common language .it lacks respect towards the Foreign fans.
To add something also, italian people can also get informed by the radio and the magazine that are both italian language.so whats left for us who dont italian?this forum and a few other sites :razz:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: hamid on September 20, 2015, 02:59:15 PM

"Over the next 3 years we will increase out presence online, starting with the imminent launch of a new website, which will become a real interactive portal into the world of Lazio. We will also work closely with foreign sites, particularly those in Asia. We will become a club that speaks many languages, helping to welcome fans from across the world.

Thanks for the post!  :bravo:

BTW, that Asia thing makes me curious... They're planning something, and they're not considering Iranian fans, hmmm... :ohnoo:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: The Undertaker on September 20, 2015, 09:32:47 PM
Lotito underestimating Carpi and Frosinone for being in A is beyond me with this Lazio side  :winner:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Stefano6 on September 20, 2015, 09:42:13 PM
His comments about Frosinone and Carpi had nothing to do with them as teams, on the pitch, he was speaking from a financial/business point of view
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Crni Đorđe on September 20, 2015, 10:05:40 PM
His comment about Carpi and Frosinone was perfect on place.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Eka_Baron on September 20, 2015, 10:15:52 PM
Thats not really that uncommon though, Lazio are an Italian club after all. You dont see Arsenal tweeting in Italian for example.

FYI Sampdoria has English account on their twitter. Chievo also and some other Italian teams. So it's depend on the club management imo.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on September 20, 2015, 10:21:43 PM
Lotito is the one to blame for the horrendous start to this season...

I firmly believe that if you make it obvious that you are perfectly happy with maintaining status quo then the natural evolution is that you drop down...no ambition is usually the first downfall of your career...same goes with sport..

Lotito and his horrendous mercato is at fault here. Yeah we got a bunch of kids and 1 of them might end up being a gem...but now we're seeing the cost of investing for that instead of investing for results...

I thought Lotito had changed after he said all that bullshit when the academy was announced. But in reality it's the same old shit..I don't want to spend any money... Getting consistent results costs money, if you want to get somewhere you can't invest for 1 summer and then next two summers don't follow up on those deals.

I'd wish Lotito would sell Lazio and go buy a smaller club, he isn't "big" enough to be the president of Lazio..he never was and more importantly...he never will be. We will never win the scudetto with Lotito as our president..and getting into the CL is going to be a miracle..

Lotito Vattene...
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on September 20, 2015, 10:26:50 PM
(http://cdnstatic.visualizeus.com/thumbs/3d/3b/lol,birds,humor,ierarchy,funny,departamento-3d3b0399d0935a5ae1dea13889cd4c9d_h.jpg)

Replace the birds with eagles..

On top you have Lotito...

2nd row you have Pioli and Tare

3rd row you have our older players

4th row you have our young players...

That's it really...rotten club with the top guy being the one shitting down on everyone else...

Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Stefano6 on September 20, 2015, 10:33:06 PM
You do know that its Tare that does 90% of the deals for new signings, right?

Sure he gets his budget from Lotito, which may not leave much to work with, but we are not a rich club and I would rather Lotito be careful with the money than appease the fans like you who want him to splash around money we dont have, and we end up on the brink of going under again.

Tare was the one who bought Hoedt, Savic, Morrion, Patric. Look what happened when Lotito got pissed off when we got knocked out of the Champions League - he went and bought Matri himself.
Tare had no intention of buying Matri (or any striker) but I imagine a heated debate after the Leverkusen game caused Lotito to think "fine ill do it myself"

So, if you want to aim your displeasure at someone high up, it should be Tare.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on September 20, 2015, 10:36:45 PM
Sure he gets his budget from Lotito, which may not leave much to work with, but we are not a rich club and I would rather Lotito be careful with the money than appease the fans like you who want him to splash around money we dont have, and we end up on the brink of going under again.


I would have liked for Lotito to make a sale this summer and buy players who are ready to play for us..significant reinforcements. I would have been perfectly happy with Felipe being sold to cover that...

Horrendous flop of a mercato to spend all our money on a bunch of youngsters, not a single one of them is considered good enough for the starting 11.

edit: also Lotito didn't buy Matri..he loaned him for one season with no clause...
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Stefano6 on September 20, 2015, 10:47:08 PM

edit: also Lotito didn't buy Matri..he loaned him for one season with no clause...

Semantics, the point is he wears a Lazio shirt this season due to the work of Lotito
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on September 20, 2015, 10:52:25 PM
Maybe, but at the end of the day Lotito has managed to piss off a lot of fans who just wanted to see progression. I don't feel I am one of those disillusional people who think we should go for the scudetto every summer, but I do want to see ambitions from Lotito and evidence that he means business for us as a societa...

The fans are turning against him and he is solely responsible for that by being both a cheap ass (in history as our president) and going into a mercato with an awful approach. I refuse to believe Tare takes care of everything, Lotito is the president and he has shown himself as being an egomaniac on several occasions...

already I wait for January because im an idiot who believes Lotito can see what he fuc ked up and he will try and repair it. But truth be told, we will sit here on the 31st of January reading Caxis news..hoping for something but in the end same shit different season..

Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Secret_Samadhi on September 20, 2015, 10:53:37 PM
Wow....Matri. Sounds like we got Messi himself.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Roman_Eagle on September 20, 2015, 10:58:23 PM
january we will se at least 3 "starters" sold
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on September 20, 2015, 11:00:07 PM
january we will se at least 3 "starters" sold

That would be great news because honestly..this team needs fresh blood so badly..i don't think he would sell more than one max, but if we were to sell three..

Dream scenario:

Radu, Lulic and Candreva

Realistic scenario: Lulic, Felipe and Onazi.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Stefano6 on September 20, 2015, 11:00:26 PM
Wow....Matri. Sounds like we got Messi himself.

Well without the sarcasm, he is the best player that arrived in the transfer window.

Lotito is a lot of things, but an idiot is not one of them. He will be just as unhappy with the results as we are. Sure its because Lazio losing isnt good for business, but if thats the reason that it takes for him to be unhappy then thats fine by me.

I wouldnt be surprised if Lotito takes the reigns on the market in January and does something, if results continue as they are. That may well mean the sale of someone important like Biglia or Anderson to make way for a CB for example.

The thing is, there are two kinds of fan - those who appreciate/understand what Lotito does, and those who want him gone. The ones that are pissed off with him, want him gone, and always will.
He could buy actual Messi and they would still find something to complain about. Those who dislike him will never change their mind.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on September 20, 2015, 11:05:32 PM
You're totally right..he is the best player we got in the mercato..and by a mile..

i mean look at our fuc king signings, wtf is going on. Patric who was playing for a team that got related to the spanish 3rd division..Milinkovic who had half a season in the belgian top league, Kishna who was a bad boy in Ajax and one season there...Ravel who I can't even explain and then finally Hoedt with a little under one season in AZ...

We set ourselves up for disaster by thinking these players could come and carry us..bring this team forward with their presence and pick up the initiative when our experienced players are out..and now we're surprised that it's going to hell..

The Hoedt signing made sense because he was free and fit the profile. The Savic signing would make sense if we were a lot richer, but in our position you don't spend the entire summer mercato budget on him..it's insane..

Lotito should have sold Felipe, Lulic or whatever big offers came in..and reinvested his money in a GOOD LB and another Biglia type midfielder...
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Secret_Samadhi on September 20, 2015, 11:30:49 PM
Wow....Matri. Sounds like we got Messi himself.

Well without the sarcasm, he is the best player that arrived in the transfer window.

Lotito is a lot of things, but an idiot is not one of them. He will be just as unhappy with the results as we are. Sure its because Lazio losing isnt good for business, but if thats the reason that it takes for him to be unhappy then thats fine by me.

I wouldnt be surprised if Lotito takes the reigns on the market in January and does something, if results continue as they are. That may well mean the sale of someone important like Biglia or Anderson to make way for a CB for example.

The thing is, there are two kinds of fan - those who appreciate/understand what Lotito does, and those who want him gone. The ones that are pissed off with him, want him gone, and always will.
He could buy actual Messi and they would still find something to complain about. Those who dislike him will never change their mind.

Well, it said itself when the freaking Matri, who came as a loan without the option to by, is the highlight of the mercato. Dosen't that shows that Lotito IS an idiot, who could get back all the money he could have spend on quality players from the Champions League pass?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Evesto on September 22, 2015, 08:43:26 PM
Just read Lotito gave the financial numbers today.
In 2014-2015 the profits increased with 35%, the debt also increased with 1mill.
The current debt is 17mill.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Giolazio on September 22, 2015, 08:47:20 PM
Just read Lotito gave the financial numbers today.
In 2014-2015 the profits increased with 35%, the debt also increased with 1mill.
The current debt is 17mill.

Do you have a link?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Evesto on September 22, 2015, 08:55:12 PM
Just read Lotito gave the financial numbers today.
In 2014-2015 the profits increased with 35%, the debt also increased with 1mill.
The current debt is 17mill.


Do you have a link?


Here you go Gio.

http://www.cittaceleste.it/notizie/zoom/giro-daffari-la-lazio-in-crescita-del-3518/ (http://www.cittaceleste.it/notizie/zoom/giro-daffari-la-lazio-in-crescita-del-3518/)

I hope i transleted correctly?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on September 22, 2015, 09:33:28 PM
Wtf, I thought we owed like 2-300 mill euros when he took over. How did we manage to clear so much debt?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Stefano6 on September 22, 2015, 09:44:25 PM
We owed around €150m when Lotito bought Lazio in 2004.

We now owe €17m, thanks largely to the fact that despite what many people want to think, he isnt an idiot and is a good businessman.

In modern football, a debt of €17m is nothing. The sale of one player could cover that if he chose to.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Rizmo on September 22, 2015, 09:46:36 PM
No way  :what:

We had like a 23 year plan of paying off the debt of €150 mil. Now you're telling me, after 10 years it's only €17 mil left??? Hmm...
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on September 22, 2015, 09:50:17 PM
We owed around €150m when Lotito bought Lazio in 2004.

We now owe €17m, thanks largely to the fact that despite what many people want to think, he isnt an idiot and is a good businessman.

In modern football, a debt of €17m is nothing. The sale of one player could cover that if he chose to.

So in 11 years we've paid aprox 12 mill euros off our loan on a yearly basis? That doesn't sound right...

I am not saying that it's a conspiracy or fake numbers..just wondering how we've managed to pay aprox 133 mill euros off our loans in 11 years..that doesn't sound right.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Stefano6 on September 22, 2015, 09:52:45 PM
The figures may well be "glossed up" slightly, it wouldnt be unusual in business to do so.

But, when he bought us he agreed to pay €6m a year off the debt. So its not entirely unfeasible that he chose to pay off more when possible in order to get out of debt sooner, no different to paying off a credit card.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on September 22, 2015, 09:56:32 PM
No way  :what:

We had like a 23 year plan of paying off the debt of €150 mil. Now you're telling me, after 10 years it's only €17 mil left??? Hmm...

That 17 million is essentially the debt we've incurred under Lotito - as in he's spent 17 million more than we actually have. Our total debt is still well over 100 million.

The profits did not increase by 35% this year - our revenue increased by 35% - our profits decreased.

Our revenue increase appears to be purely down to Europa League TV rights money, which means we should expect to see a 35% decrease in revenue next year, as we had one season without Europe.

Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Rizmo on September 22, 2015, 10:05:17 PM
No way  :what:

We had like a 23 year plan of paying off the debt of €150 mil. Now you're telling me, after 10 years it's only €17 mil left??? Hmm...

That 17 million is essentially the debt we've incurred under Lotito - as in he's spent 17 million more than we actually have. Our total debt is still well over 100 million.

The profits did not increase by 35% this year - our revenue increased by 35% - our profits decreased.

Our revenue increase appears to be purely down to Europa League TV rights money, which means we should expect to see a 35% decrease in revenue next year, as we had one season without Europe.

That's what I mean... what are people on about?  :ohnoo:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Evesto on September 22, 2015, 10:09:42 PM
No way  :what:

We had like a 23 year plan of paying off the debt of €150 mil. Now you're telling me, after 10 years it's only €17 mil left??? Hmm...

That 17 million is essentially the debt we've incurred under Lotito - as in he's spent 17 million more than we actually have. Our total debt is still well over 100 million.

The profits did not increase by 35% this year - our revenue increased by 35% - our profits decreased.

Our revenue increase appears to be purely down to Europa League TV rights money, which means we should expect to see a 35% decrease in revenue next year, as we had one season without Europe.

Well my fault then, but there's nothing about the former debt in the article.
Typical media i guess ...  :whistle:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Stefano6 on September 22, 2015, 10:11:22 PM
If he is only paying off €6m a year as per the original deal, then the original debt will currently be at €84m (although im assuming there will be interest too).

On the finance information they posted the other day there are several entries about "payment to creditors" for amounts of about €6m, so im not sure which one is the right one. But I wouldnt be at all surprised if he was putting more in too, when possible.

But the point remains, there are many clubs in worse debt than we are, and we have a solid plan to get out of it.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Silindeee on September 22, 2015, 11:08:14 PM
So anyone knows what is our total debt?before and after lotito era
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Crni Đorđe on September 22, 2015, 11:11:21 PM
So anyone knows what is our total debt?before and after lotito era

After this discussion, looks like something around 100 million (presumably). If I'm correct.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: hamid on September 23, 2015, 04:59:45 PM
But we owe money to who exactly?! :whistle:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Giolazio on September 23, 2015, 05:04:42 PM
But we owe money to who exactly?! :whistle:

The tax man.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on September 23, 2015, 05:17:04 PM
Yeah, technically we owe a bit less than 100 million to the tax man. But you can think of it like this.

Cragnotti had a credit card bill that came to about 140 million and Lotito agreed to pay it off if he was allowed to own Lazio. So far, he's got about 40-50 million euro paid off the bill, but he still owes 90-100 million. Every year, he pays back about 6 million.

Meanwhile, he's got a loan from the bank of about 17 million euro.

Now, the difference between us and other clubs in the Top 6 is that other clubs don't have a 100 million euro credit card bill that Cragnotti left them, and they have a loan from the bank that is 100+ million euro
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Giolazio on September 23, 2015, 07:43:21 PM
Yeah, technically we owe a bit less than 100 million to the tax man. But you can think of it like this.

Cragnotti had a credit card bill that came to about 140 million and Lotito agreed to pay it off if he was allowed to own Lazio. So far, he's got about 40-50 million euro paid off the bill, but he still owes 90-100 million. Every year, he pays back about 6 million.

Meanwhile, he's got a loan from the bank of about 17 million euro.

Now, the difference between us and other clubs in the Top 6 is that other clubs don't have a 100 million euro credit card bill that Cragnotti left them, and they have a loan from the bank that is 100+ million euro

Nicely put.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Evesto on October 02, 2015, 01:39:29 AM
Read some Italian comments about a deal for a new commercial sponsordeal.
If i understand correctly Lotito mentioned to the press that a deal has been reached with Renault Italia.
Further news and presentation this week.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ArmLaziale on October 02, 2015, 09:14:49 AM
The rumours have been circulating for some days now, from what I know it should be announced tomorrow. Really glad we did not end up with some nationalistic propaganda on our shirts.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Amir on October 02, 2015, 09:58:27 AM
Yep, these rumors are circulating from the start of this week. As far as I know, a presser will be held at Formello tomorrow where more shall be known.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on October 02, 2015, 12:25:48 PM
Sounds great, now I hope they are giving us a large amount of money..if it's some small sum then it looks weird how it took him so long to close a deal..

How much can we expect per year?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Silindeee on October 02, 2015, 12:27:53 PM
So we are having a sponsor on our shirts again?is it for permanent or for some games only ?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: 117bono117 on October 02, 2015, 12:42:41 PM
wow, when was the last time we had a sponsor for the whole season??!!
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Eka_Baron on October 02, 2015, 01:12:46 PM
I think its between 2007-2008. Ina Assitalia.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: nando on October 02, 2015, 01:21:46 PM
I wonder what will our black eagle jersey look like..
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on October 02, 2015, 02:53:51 PM
Who is saying anything about a shirt sponsor? Lazio have a huge number of sponsors, and I haven't read anything to suggest we're going to carry the renault logo on our shirts.

It's possible, but I was under the impression it wasn't a shirt sponsor when I heard about it days ago. Was more a case of replacing one sponsor with Renault. Let's see.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Giolazio on October 02, 2015, 04:25:49 PM
Hope it's not on our shirts otherwise I'm going to buy them all now before an ugly Renault badge gets plopped on it.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Silindeee on October 02, 2015, 06:58:27 PM
How can lazio be sponsored by renault if not on our shirt?will they be giving to players free cars? :wow:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Giolazio on October 02, 2015, 07:39:28 PM
How can lazio be sponsored by renault if not on our shirt?will they be giving to players free cars? :wow:

We have loads of sponsors currently. There are many ways to sponsor a team without it being on a shirt.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: LofL on October 02, 2015, 08:02:27 PM
How can lazio be sponsored by renault if not on our shirt?will they be giving to players free cars? :wow:


http://www.sslazio.it/marketing/sponsor.html (http://www.sslazio.it/marketing/sponsor.html)
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Evesto on October 03, 2015, 02:36:27 PM
Presser this afternoon.  Renault presented as a new premium sponsor (not headsponsor), the brandname or logo will most likely not be on the shirts then i guess.  Renault director Italia stated Lazio is one of the most traditional clubs in Italy and does not exclude the chance of becoming headsponsor in the future.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Silindeee on October 03, 2015, 08:34:59 PM
So what it actually means that renault is our sponsor?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Sile on October 03, 2015, 08:36:16 PM
It means that we advertise them and they give us money.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Silindeee on October 03, 2015, 08:39:00 PM
But we aint gonna put them on our shirt right? Anyway i dont really understand how we can sponsor something if not on our shirt..maybe in our site or in our stadium somehow..
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Evesto on October 03, 2015, 08:44:45 PM
But we aint gonna put them on our shirt right? Anyway i dont really understand how we can sponsor something if not on our shirt..maybe in our site or in our stadium somehow..

99% chance imo Renault won't be on the shirt.  Unless they would become headsponsor or something next season, but surely not now i guess.  There are other sponsors also and they are also not on any matchkit (Uniclub, Kimbo, Groupama, ....)
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Sile on October 03, 2015, 08:51:22 PM
But we aint gonna put them on our shirt right? Anyway i dont really understand how we can sponsor something if not on our shirt..maybe in our site or in our stadium somehow..

You know those billboards around the pitch, behind the goal etc? You know there's are 2 giant screens on the stadium? Do you know how advertising works?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Silindeee on October 03, 2015, 08:54:18 PM
But we aint gonna put them on our shirt right? Anyway i dont really understand how we can sponsor something if not on our shirt..maybe in our site or in our stadium somehow..

You know those billboards around the pitch, behind the goal etc? You know there's are 2 giant screens on the stadium? Do you know how advertising works?
Yeah thats what i meant when i said in our stadium..
Anyway money is always sweet !
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Evesto on October 09, 2015, 01:25:48 AM
Reports claim Lotito is sniffing around in Baku at the moment.
Should we expect 'AZERBAIJAN' on the shirts very soon, 'the land of fire' ???
But it's said they are demanding a CL-qualification first.

It seems Atletico gets 12mill per season for this.  :twinkle:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Don on October 14, 2015, 04:42:00 PM
I have self- confirmed admiration for LoTare while looking at our expense /costs for our squad : ~57 mio... and I look at the current estimated market Value... 183mio €...
Though it is not that real value. But it means at least something to me...
 :bravo:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on October 14, 2015, 05:49:38 PM
I have self- confirmed admiration for LoTare while looking at our expense /costs for our squad : ~57 mio... and I look at the current estimated market Value... 183mio €...
Though it is not that real value. But it means at least something to me...
 :bravo:

I read an article from CIES on this and according to their numbers, our squad cost 92 million, while the value of the squad is 155 million. Obviously the value of the squad is a subjective thing, but I'm almost certain this squad cost more than 57 million to assemble.

It's a positive nonetheless, but it's not exceptional. Genoa's squad only cost 12 million in total, but few would call their President a genius...
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Silindeee on October 14, 2015, 05:50:22 PM
Is lotito the new football mafia in italy?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: edo_shehb on October 15, 2015, 02:13:24 AM
Is lotito the new football mafia in italy?

oh just say it, you mean is lotito the next Moggi?  :beer:

anyway he's a businessman (or was he a lawyer?), he's not that stupid, or at least I dont think so

Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Silindeee on October 15, 2015, 02:10:06 PM
Is lotito the new football mafia in italy?

oh just say it, you mean is lotito the next Moggi?  :beer:

anyway he's a businessman (or was he a lawyer?), he's not that stupid, or at least I dont think so
haha u got me  :supsmile:
Well i wonder really , he is always under invastigation and thats annoying. But where there is smoke , there is fire...
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Amir on October 27, 2015, 08:22:09 PM
Interesting, Marcello Lippi declared today that he was twice close to joining Lazio: once during the Cragnotti era and once during Lotito.


I understand during Cragnotti? But under Lotito? what do you think when could this contact have happened?

Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Biancoceleste on October 27, 2015, 08:33:38 PM
But under Lotito? what do you think when could this contact have happened?


Lippi said, this "concrete" contact with Lotito was just before he went to China to train Evergrande - so this must have been summer 2012 - he already had an agreement with the chinese club, otherwise there would have been good chances to become the new coach of Lazio

http://www.transfermarkt.it/marcello-lippi/stationen/trainer/525 (http://www.transfermarkt.it/marcello-lippi/stationen/trainer/525)

http://www.lalaziosiamonoi.it/news/lippi-questa-lazio-ha-il-dovere-di-pensare-allo-scudetto-lotito-mi-voleva-prima-che-andassi-in-cina-59108 (http://www.lalaziosiamonoi.it/news/lippi-questa-lazio-ha-il-dovere-di-pensare-allo-scudetto-lotito-mi-voleva-prima-che-andassi-in-cina-59108)
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on October 27, 2015, 08:39:48 PM
Yeah, Lippi claims Lazio contacted him in 2012, before he went to China. Reja officially resigned the same day Lippi was announced as Guangzhou manager, but he had communicated his decision to Lotito a week or two previous, so it makes sense.

It still bugs me that people think or claim Reja resigned over Tare and Lotito - Reja is carrying a huge chip on his shoulder when it comes to Lazio fans.

Slightly off-topic, but I read in the press here that Reja left Lazio because Lazio fans would abuse his wife on the street as they didn't like Reja. I've never read that in the Italian media, but it's something I want to know more about.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Stefano6 on October 27, 2015, 08:47:38 PM
Ive not heard of the abuse before but I read in Italian media, while Reja was here, that he couldnt walk the streets or really have a life in Rome because he would be constantly hounded by fans. I assumed at the time it was negative because if it were positive reactions from fans he surely wouldnt mind?

Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: The Undertaker on October 28, 2015, 01:02:47 AM
Am I the only one who appreciates Reja in this forum? He saved Lazio from relegation,he always made the team fight for the Champions League and he barely missed it and he gave Lazio again the identity of the European team. For me,he is the best manager from the Lotito era but I also admire Pioli a lot.

Reja was always underrated for his work at Lazio.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: dinhochester on October 28, 2015, 01:10:57 AM
But he create the most boring football to watch.
So no for me.

Pioli create attractive football.
He does not favour some player over other because of personal like, it all depend on ability.
He bench ledesma, radu, felipe when they did not perform.
Thats what i like about him.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: The Undertaker on October 28, 2015, 01:13:08 AM
I really don't care about good football. I care about results. You can win the Champions League with boring football. Greece won Euro 2004 without playing fancy football. I will take this anytime rather playing well and not winning stuff.

Besides,I still believe that Reja had a better squad than we have today.

But if you asked me today on who I prefer,I'd take Pioli anyday. It was a very good move from Lotito to take Pioli. I respect Lotito for that desicion at a crucial moment to bring such a low-profile manager. Pioli proved that working hard and being a humble person,keeping your head down and work can make wonders ( 3rd place plus CI Final)
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: lazioserbia on October 28, 2015, 01:20:00 AM
I really don't care about good football. I care about results. You can win the Champions League with boring football. Greece won Euro 2004 without playing fancy football. I will take this anytime rather playing well and not winning stuff.

Besides,I still believe that Reja had a better squad than we have today.

Classic thinking for a Greek  :beer:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Stefano6 on October 28, 2015, 01:23:57 AM
Am I the only one who appreciates Reja in this forum? He saved Lazio from relegation,he always made the team fight for the Champions League and he barely missed it and he gave Lazio again the identity of the European team. For me,he is the best manager from the Lotito era but I also admire Pioli a lot.

Reja was always underrated for his work at Lazio.

I have huge respect for Reja, always liked him, as a person and a manager. He saved us, and got us to the brink of the Champions League, then came for a second spell when we needed him. Will always be a favourite of mine.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: lazioserbia on October 28, 2015, 01:39:40 AM
Lippi just said that he was close to becoming Lazio coach. He is such a great character, with that cohiba always...Don Marcelo
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cnon on October 28, 2015, 09:02:31 AM
I don't think Reja is under-appreciated here. Most people appreciates what Reja did for us, saving us from relegation and guiding Lazio to the upper table team and almost in the UCL twice. However I don't want Reja to be in Lazio anymore because I don't think he can guide Lazio more forward. It's not about the style, it's more about taking Coppa and UEFA competitions seriously and trying to win games rather than making sure we get a point in a tough matches.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Laziale184 on October 28, 2015, 08:19:29 PM
Reja is a half-season coach.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: moody on November 02, 2015, 04:17:27 PM
Best Lotito speech I've ever heard:

Lazio President Claudio Lotito blasts the team for their performance against Milan: ‘It was a disgrace!’

“It’s a disgrace, I didn’t like the attitude yesterday at all,” he told the squad at today’s training session according to LaLazioSiamoNoi.

“There is technical quality, you all have it.

“What you haven’t understood is that individual’s don’t win, but the collective, that you must help your teammate.

“It doesn’t matter what is written on the back of the shirt, but the symbol on the front of it.

“The attitude must completely change, you must bring out these qualities.

“We have faced weaker teams who know how to do that and who give everything on the pitch. You didn’t manage to.”
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Biancoceleste on November 02, 2015, 08:10:59 PM
Best Lotito speech I've ever heard:

Lazio President Claudio Lotito blasts the team for their performance against Milan: ‘It was a disgrace!’

“It’s a disgrace, I didn’t like the attitude yesterday at all,” he told the squad at today’s training session according to LaLazioSiamoNoi.

“There is technical quality, you all have it.

“What you haven’t understood is that individual’s don’t win, but the collective, that you must help your teammate.

“It doesn’t matter what is written on the back of the shirt, but the symbol on the front of it.

“The attitude must completely change, you must bring out these qualities.

“We have faced weaker teams who know how to do that and who give everything on the pitch. You didn’t manage to.”

if he really said this - and its not a press invention - really good words!
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Biancoceleste on December 05, 2015, 01:28:23 PM
http://www.sportmediaset.mediaset.it/video/calcio/lazio/lotito-che-gestaccio-_73647-2015.shtml (http://www.sportmediaset.mediaset.it/video/calcio/lazio/lotito-che-gestaccio-_73647-2015.shtml)

what a honour to have such a great president....
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Stefano6 on December 05, 2015, 08:32:52 PM
Well if idiots didn't hold him responsible for every little thing that goes wrong, he wouldn't have reason to react.

To be honest, a certain section of fans need a good "f.uck off"
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Rizmo on December 05, 2015, 09:35:48 PM
Whata did I miss here? Was he reacting to the pezzo di merda? Was hardly a reaction. Can't tell if Biancoceleste who posted the vid was ironic.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Crni Đorđe on December 05, 2015, 09:42:18 PM
Mah, typical roman stuff. They said him 'vaffanculo', he said them 'vaffanculo'. Everybody happy.  :supsmile:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Roman_Eagle on December 06, 2015, 01:54:15 PM
cant see anything wrong here :)
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Giolazio on December 06, 2015, 02:31:31 PM
Yeah I don't get it...
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Biancoceleste on December 07, 2015, 08:18:02 PM
the CN said, that this "vaffanculo" didn't only offend the Ultras - they weren't in the stadium anyway - but every Lazio fan, families - this was the low-point of his 11 years as Lazio-president, in which he didn't do anything to get fans and club together - he deserves to stay alone, he doesn't need the fans - he is not a Laziale

http://www.lalaziosiamonoi.it/news/curva-nord-lotito-ha-insultato-tutti-i-laziali-merita-di-stare-solo-il-9-gennaio-si-dimostrasse-tifoso-60342 (http://www.lalaziosiamonoi.it/news/curva-nord-lotito-ha-insultato-tutti-i-laziali-merita-di-stare-solo-il-9-gennaio-si-dimostrasse-tifoso-60342)
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Rizmo on December 07, 2015, 08:57:17 PM
BOOOO fücking HOOOOOO  :wuzz:

People are so easily offended nowadays it's tragic. The stadium sings Lotito pezzo di merda and he answers with a vaffanculo and the Lazio fans gets offended!? (http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/hand-gestures/facepalm-gesture-smiley-emoticon.gif)

Lotito gets shit every homegame so why are people upset with a response? Vaffanculo is as common as Ciao in the everyday Italian languange ffs.

The fans should stop focus on stupid shit and start showing up in the stadium to support the team in trouble instead of throwing them to the wolfs by virtually making rube the home team at Olimpico!
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Crni Đorđe on December 07, 2015, 09:04:28 PM
CN deserves Lotito on every day of the week.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Stefano6 on December 07, 2015, 09:08:59 PM
Any fan that is pissed off at Lotito for this, can simply go fcuk themselves, get a grip and move on.

Lotito is not Laziale? No shit, hes a businessman, not a fan. I for one am glad its that way.

There are fans that chant Lotito pezzo di merda at every game, for no reason. There are fans that blame him for literally everything, from losing a game, to conceding a goal, to a player sneezing.

Literally every single post the official account makes on Facebook or Twitter is replied to by fans spouting Lotito vattene or similar, even if the post in question doesnt even mention him.

Then one time he snaps and shouts back and they all cry about it? Please, get over yourselves
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: MilanChe on December 07, 2015, 10:30:05 PM
I agree, we come two or three times a year to Rome, we can't wait to see Lazio play and then we have to listen to this crap for the whole game, I can't wait to sing, shout, cheer,... and then Lotito this Lotito that..
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Eka_Baron on December 07, 2015, 10:59:23 PM
I think the fans also has the right to say anything about Lotito. Because it is what it is. Lotito is best described as Vaffanculo,etc. Im glad that some in the stadium chant it and hopefully in every match.

Lotito deserved CN every day of the week.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Hadi Van Der Vaart on December 07, 2015, 11:19:04 PM
Hahaha... Very funny!!
They mock Lotito every single day n when Lotito response once, they feel offended.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on December 08, 2015, 02:23:01 AM
Lotito is currently showing why he might end up being a great politician one day.

Fans calling each other names talking shit to each other, not being able to agree on whether it's bad/good/justified that Lotito lashed back at the Curva/stadium for the chants.

He managed to turn the topic away from the real problem. A team crashing in the standings, a coach who has no clue, our best players don't want to be here..and a president who is passive giving Pioli more and more chances even though he should have been tossed out a long time ago.

The clock is ticking, European football is gone. A few more losses and this will be so embarrassing that last season won't mean shit anymore.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Eka_Baron on December 08, 2015, 03:35:56 AM
that last season won't mean shit anymore.

and must add to this,that Im already said million times that last season we can achieved 3rd because the others had Europe on their belt while we only have domestic league to fight for.

this season is supposed to be the best time to judge Pioli & co because we had Europe. and they have failed.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Evesto on December 08, 2015, 04:24:30 AM
that last season won't mean shit anymore.

and must add to this,that Im already said million times that last season we can achieved 3rd because the others had Europe on their belt while we only have domestic league to fight for.

this season is supposed to be the best time to judge Pioli & co because we had Europe. and they have failed.

The EL has cost this team hardly any energy so far imo, so without europe we wouldn't be far of.
The lack of spirit, belief and motivation has nothing to do with that.

This team team simply could not handle the relapse from last season with missing out on every form of confirmation in the end.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Eka_Baron on December 08, 2015, 09:04:47 AM
that last season won't mean shit anymore.

and must add to this,that Im already said million times that last season we can achieved 3rd because the others had Europe on their belt while we only have domestic league to fight for.

this season is supposed to be the best time to judge Pioli & co because we had Europe. and they have failed.

The EL has cost this team hardly any energy so far imo, so without europe we wouldn't be far of.



This is always being the excuse. its too cliche.If we didnt ready for it now,we wont  forever.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: drazvan on December 08, 2015, 09:17:35 AM
I must admit that the only thing I hold against Lotito is that he lacks a bit of ambition. With just a bit more ambition we could achieve great things. The team is promissing, with a small intervention on the mercato and a better coach we would easily be a top 5 team year after year and avoid this shit. That's the only thing I hate about him. And I simply cannot explain it: as a businessman, it must be more profitable to have a top 5 team than a top 10 one.

Take this summer...with a bit more wisdom we could have been in CL now. If he would have just signed a decent CB and Matri before the CL qualifier...
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Stefano6 on December 08, 2015, 09:25:10 AM
I must admit that the only thing I hold against Lotito is that he lacks a bit of ambition. With just a bit more ambition we could achieve great things. The team is promissing, with a small intervention on the mercato and a better coach we would easily be a top 5 team year after year and avoid this shit. That's the only thing I hate about him. And I simply cannot explain it: as a businessman, it must be more profitable to have a top 5 team than a top 10 one.

Take this summer...with a bit more wisdom we could have been in CL now. If he would have just signed a decent CB and Matri before the CL qualifier...

I agree with you, although I dont think its all down to Lotito since the transfers are largely handled by Tare.
Lotito only gets involved when its either a high profile signing (like Hernanes) or, as what happened in summer, Tare hadnt delivered so Lotito went out and got Matri himself on the last day.

I dont think its a lack of ambition, but rather a general lack of clear idea, and taking too many risks.

For instance, why buy Kishna, a winger we didnt really need, instead of spending that $9m on a top class CB to partner De Vrij? As you say, they do that, and Matri, before the Leverkusen game, and we could be in the CL now....

Im not saying that all our problems would be non-existent now, but little things like this are what annoy me about Lotito, but thats all. He can swear at the fans who disrespect him all he wants, they deserve no better than they give out.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on December 08, 2015, 10:19:50 AM
When it comes to the day-to-day running of our club, Lotito isn't as 'hands on' as people think he is, or even close. And while you could reasonably hold him responsible for everything as president, of course, most things are not directly his fault. And if you are going to hold him accountable for not being a bit more ruthless and cut-throat with our personnel, then you almost certainly must accept being lumped in a category with the Zamparini's and Preziosi's of this world.

I understand those that took an almost instant disliking to him based on certain comments and decisions he made in the early days, but if you don't leave the door open for reconciliation, and choose to spend a decade of your life abusing the man, then I don't see how that makes you any better.

Especially when it hurts Lazio in the process.

Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cnon on December 08, 2015, 12:54:46 PM
For instance, why buy Kishna, a winger we didnt really need, instead of spending that $9m on a top class CB to partner De Vrij? As you say, they do that, and Matri, before the Leverkusen game, and we could be in the CL now....

As far as I know, we only spent 4 million euros for Kishna and we even could have got him for 3 million but Lotito rather wanted to pay 4 million in longer period of time than 3 million immediately. Other than that, I do agree, signing Kishna made little sense back then and I questioned the purchase myself too. But realistically you and I should be asking, when we had already signed Kishna and Sergej, why re-sign Mauri as well. That made even less sense to me.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Stefano6 on December 08, 2015, 01:08:31 PM
To be honest, the Mauri re-signing had no affect on the others. He isnt a long term solution due to his age, so its not like he is a long term competitor for Savic, and he and Kishna are not the same position.

So while I get what youre saying, I dont think the re-signing of Mauri makes any differences to any project. Were it not for the betting scandal, he would have signed his extension months before the end of the season and it wouldnt even be an issue.


I used Kishna simply as an example that sometimes Lotito/Tare make decisions that I dont understand and dont agree with, and in hindsight you think "if they had done X instead of Y we could be here".
Of course it may not always work out that way, but that is the only thing I can complain about.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Giolazio on December 08, 2015, 01:14:49 PM
For instance, why buy Kishna, a winger we didnt really need, instead of spending that $9m on a top class CB to partner De Vrij? As you say, they do that, and Matri, before the Leverkusen game, and we could be in the CL now....

As far as I know, we only spent 4 million euros for Kishna and we even could have got him for 3 million but Lotito rather wanted to pay 4 million in longer period of time than 3 million immediately. Other than that, I do agree, signing Kishna made little sense back then and I questioned the purchase myself too. But realistically you and I should be asking, when we had already signed Kishna and Sergej, why re-sign Mauri as well. That made even less sense to me.

It does make sense and it is a clear example of the situation Lotito is in. He is damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. The fans were furious when Mauri was released, you only have to look in here back in July to see.

Lotito signs Mauri and now the fans are all of a sudden bemused because he hasn't had an impact and of course it's Lotito's fault because he signed him. Had Lotito not signed him, the fans would be furious saying we are floundering because we lack Mauri's creativity and vaffanculo Lotito because he released him.

The fans are fickle.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Stefano6 on December 08, 2015, 01:27:47 PM
Absolutely. Look at Roma for example. Totti is still there at 39, and is actually getting a 1 year extension to be there next year too.

He has been injured most of this season so far, and hasnt really been that impactful in the last couple of seasons (apart from scoring against us!)

Essentially he and Mauri are the same. Long term servants of the club, captains, but now due to age have little impact on the field and dont play that much. Yet their fan base idolise Totti, while ours complain that Mauri was re-signed.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cnon on December 08, 2015, 02:05:39 PM
I was talking from financial perspective but also a little from sporting perspective. Sure, getting Mauri back would make many people happy. But don't we all agree that Lotito doesn't care about people's opinion? So I would say he didn't re-sign Mauri because he wanted to make people happy, he did it because he probably thought (like we all) that Mauri at 35-36 and after scoring 10 goals last season is better than Sergej/Morrison/Kishna in their early twenties. But we already had signed all those three players before we re-signed Mauri. All those players fight from the same positions, left winger or central attacking midfielder. So why get Mauri back when you are already committed in those three players earlier? Now if Mauri would have been a huge success, it would mean Kishna or Sergej would be sitting on bench and not developing to players we want them to be. No matter what, we lose money in salaries for nothing and we could be in a situation where our talents don't get playing time (like it already is for Oikonomidis) or we are in a situation where Mauri is rusty/injured/sitting on the bench and looks like a player we didn't even need.

I'm not arguing Mauri's captaincy in the locker room. And that I would accept for a reason why we re-signed Mauri back. But even that is quite a small reasoning and looks like it isn't even working if you look our results and team cohesion.

And finally one of my point was, sure we should have bought a CB instead of a winger. But it was 4 million euros and not 9 million dollars which means that there is much less realistic targets to choose from and less skilled players.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Stefano6 on December 08, 2015, 02:13:09 PM
The sum of money involved is largely irrelevant, my point was that the only decisions he makes that I have issue with is when he makes questionable decisions over which players to buy, when other positions are needed more. But overall, in my opinion he doesnt deserve even half the shit he gets from ungrateful, spoilt fans.

Even though I am aware that Tare does most of it, im 100% sure that Lotito has his input, even if its just a simple "yes do it" when Tare asks his opinion.

One that I remember in recent years was when we signed Cisse. At the time, Gilardino was available, I think he was at Fiorentina at the time, and they wanted €9m. That was too much, so we bought Cisse for €6m, was here for 6 months and he was a flop.
Gila is still scoring goals in Serie A today.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on December 08, 2015, 02:41:07 PM
Honestly I feel Lotito has digged his own grave. He has said and done so many things in the past that people have zero patience with him and football fans never forget...when we dislike a player or another team it's usually for life..I don't expect the fans in Rome to like Lotito ever...

Lotito has talked about things like Scudetto and CL many times people and in the beginning we believed him...when he doesn't deliver then people wants his head.

I agree that sometimes it escalated to something you would consider a witch hunt, but again he's only a victim of his own idiocy.

Several of you have pointed out that Lotito doesn't handle day to day business in the club and that it's the sporting sector that is to blame. Then why are heads not rolling?

I feel like this is the third time we've come from a shitty situation and then done something good in a season..and then ruined it the season after with some awful decisions in the mercato and other factors.

Would it be fair to say that Lotito seems like someone who doesn't learn from previous mistakes?

Lets look at the 15/16 shenanigans

- The captain drama
- The awful preseason (seriously why do we still go to that arunzo place?)..Remember this shit the next time you want to post "uh guys don't worry pre season matches doesn't mean anything".
- The Radu extension
- The braafheid extension
- We don't have appropriate cover on the CB position. 4 CBs, one of them being a kid with nothing under his belt.
- The awful approach to the mercato. Lets buy a bunch of kids thinking they can carry us through 3 tournaments
- We still don't have a proper playmaker
- The Mauri drama
- Not buying players for the right positions. Like already pointed out, why on earth would they buy Kishna and leave the CB and playmaker position in such a state?
- Problems in the dressing room with the older players clashing with the younger players and possibly Pioli
- Pioli doesn't have a plan B after one and a half season


Some of you might find my post overly dramatic and remind me nothing is perfect. But there's so many things that went wrong that it's really no surprise that we're in this situation. If Lotito isn't involved with day to day work then maybe he should be? and maybe he should fire half his staff, if they are responsible.

Who is held accountable for the mercato and the strange contract extensions?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Stefano6 on December 08, 2015, 02:54:14 PM
I totally understand why some people dislike him, because as I say, he isnt perfect, does make some odd decisions, and I think his straight talking attitude doesnt play well with some fans, so for instance when he reacts to crowd abuse they get all pissy.

I also appreciate that as the boss, he is the one people aim their frustration at, regardless of whether it was his doing or not. Thats just how business is. The scandal with Volkswagen for instance, the CEO took the flak, even though it wasnt him that did anything wrong.

But, I feel he takes a lot of un necessary blame for things he cant/doesnt control. If I may take your list;

- The captain drama
Fellow players chose the captain, not Lotito
- The awful preseason (seriously why do we still go to that arunzo place?)..Remember this shit the next time you want to post "uh guys don't worry pre season matches doesn't mean anything".
They dont. Its fitness only. We didnt do well against the "real" teams, but pre-season is no indicator on your season. Countless teams play poor pre-seasons
- The Radu extension
You can have this one. He should have been extended IMO, but perhaps not for so long.
- The braafheid extension
Dont really see an issue. 1 year if im not mistaken? Not a high wage. He hasnt played, but thats not down to Lotito.
- We don't have appropriate cover on the CB position. 4 CBs, one of them being a kid with nothing under his belt.
Agreed, you can have this too. As I mention above, a CB is one decision he made that I disagreed with over summer.
- The awful approach to the mercato. Lets buy a bunch of kids thinking they can carry us through 3 tournaments
Yes and No. Tare does most, and when it was clear Lotito wasnt happy with what Tare had delivered, he went and got Matri himself. So if anything Lotito did better here.
- We still don't have a proper playmaker
So? We play 4-3-3, dont need a trequartista, and Biglia is highly praised (by some!)
- The Mauri drama
As already mentioned, had it not been for the betting scandal he would have signed before summer and no one would be mentioning this. 1 year at less than €1m, I see no issue.
- Not buying players for the right positions. Like already pointed out, why on earth would they buy Kishna and leave the CB and playmaker position in such a state?
Probably comes under the mercato thing above, but yes.
- Problems in the dressing room with the older players clashing with the younger players and possibly Pioli
Dont see how that is Lotitos fault?
- Pioli doesn't have a plan B after one and a half season
Again, dont see how that is Lotitos fault. And despite what he may say to the press about Pioli, im 100% sure he is weighing up his options in terms of replacing Pioli if the next few games dont show any improvement.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on December 08, 2015, 02:56:34 PM
Instead of quoting your post ilsempre, I'll respond with points.

(a) Lotito is loyal and rewards loyalty. Staff that are loyal to him remain, players who are loyal to him get long deals, managers who are loyal to him would never be sacked - it's just the one who was particularly loyal kept trying to resign. Rewarding loyalty might not be the best approach for the advancement of a club, but at the same time, who wants mercenaries? Who wants to be a feeder club? A stepping stone?

(b) The captain saga is not Lotito's fault.

(c) Pre-season in Auronzo di Cadore has brought about generally favourable results. The three catastrophic seasons in recent memory coincide with earlier starts to pre-season, which we couldn't avoid due to commitments.

(d) The transfers are not Lotito's business, they are Igli Tare's. As much as you can moan and complain about these deals, I bet if you were to open a 'yay' or 'nay' poll in Tare, opinion would be pretty split. You might not like the transfer approach, but others will have a different view. It's not like we are in unanimous agreement.

(e) Dressing room problems have nothing to do with Lotito.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on December 08, 2015, 02:58:18 PM
The list of problems I put in wasn't meant like "this is what Lotito caused" but more like stating just how much shit has gone wrong and I just can't look beyond Lotito for the overall blame because like you said..he is the boss...

Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: lazioserbia on December 08, 2015, 03:25:57 PM
I see a lot of you saying that Tare is well respected in Italy...but i am not that convinced. Why exactly is he so great? I would rather have someone else cause Tare is just...Tare.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: drazvan on December 08, 2015, 04:13:53 PM
I see a lot of you saying that Tare is well respected in Italy...but i am not that convinced. Why exactly is he so great? I would rather have someone else cause Tare is just...Tare.

I think Tare got us pretty far with very limited resources. I was against him in the begining when he has made some very poor signings, but he improved and since he managed to get youngplayers like De Vrij, Keita, Felipe, Milinkovic-Savic, Kishna, and then experienced ones like Basta, Candreva, Parolo, Biglia for decent prices, my level of respect for him grew. I think he is doing a good job given the club means. I dont think that the problem is there. I think that if Pioli would have asked for a better leftback than Braafheid, a better centreback than Mauricio, etc, he would have got them. I doubt that Pioli told him that Mauricios or Braafheid are not good enough.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Stefano6 on December 08, 2015, 04:16:52 PM
The list of problems I put in wasn't meant like "this is what Lotito caused" but more like stating just how much shit has gone wrong and I just can't look beyond Lotito for the overall blame because like you said..he is the boss...

So you admit then that you are blaming him for things that you know are not his fault, but you blame him anyway because he is Lotito?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: sniperpon on December 08, 2015, 04:18:19 PM
Quote
The list of problems I put in wasn't meant like "this is what Lotito caused" but more like stating just how much shit has gone wrong and I just can't look beyond Lotito for the overall blame because like you said..he is the boss...

I agree with this. It's Lotito's house, and he needs to get it in order. The buck stops with him.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Eka_Baron on December 08, 2015, 04:24:33 PM
Instead of quoting your post ilsempre, I'll respond with points.

(a) Lotito is loyal and rewards loyalty. Staff that are loyal to him remain, players who are loyal to him get long deals, managers who are loyal to him would never be sacked -



(c) Pre-season in Auronzo di Cadore has brought about generally favourable results. The three catastrophic seasons in recent memory coincide with earlier starts to pre-season,

(d) The transfers are not Lotito's business, they are Igli Tare's. As much as you can moan and complain about these deals, I bet if you were to open a 'yay' or 'nay' poll in Tare, opinion would be pretty split. You might not like the transfer approach, but others will have a different view. It's not like we are in unanimous agreement.



a) Lotito is only wanted Somebody who will not against his personal interest. as long as that person being his puppet,he will keep him in the club (Tare ).Othetwise he kick them . Oddo,Liverani,Di Canio,Gianicheda are for example.

(c) I was remembered when u saying Mainz is the real test when its only -10 to the first official game and the feeling that Lazio isnt at the right path is true. We lose them all. Pre season is not that important, but if we try to be honest to ourself we can see that there is something that not right. Not just saying all will be okay and ignoring that sense who is a fatal mistake . the fact who comes to the surface  was never lie. despite Lazio is our club,when it comes to the goodness if this club,we should be objective. Therefore we can see clearly from a bigger perspective which part of this club needs attention.

(d) u can say that it is Tare's business. But the telephone conversation between Lotiti & Rossi suggest the otherwise. there is sabatini on that moment as a ds But Lotito seems to decide EVERYTHING on the transfer business.


Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Stefano6 on December 08, 2015, 04:26:13 PM
Lotito got rid of Di Canio because several senior players in the squad asked him to, because he was a disruption to the dressing room.
Lotito knew it would upset the fans, but did what the players wanted was best for the team.

Its all in the transcript of his conversation with Delio Rossi.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Eka_Baron on December 08, 2015, 04:32:57 PM
In that telephone he also get mad when Rossi suggest Di Vaio as he still was a great player and a laziale. But he  makes it clear that he doesnt want a roman in this club (Cataldi & Candreva the exception)
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Stefano6 on December 08, 2015, 04:38:05 PM
I dont have the transcript to hand so I may be remembering wrong, but I think he was referring to not wanting players with the "romanista attitude" - referring to the attitude of players who play for Roma.

Not that he didnt want players born in Rome, the city.

Also, Rossi really wanted Makinwa while Lotito wanted Recoba, so in hindsight its easy to ridicule decisions made at the time.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Giolazio on December 08, 2015, 05:17:03 PM
Honestly I feel Lotito has digged his own grave. He has said and done so many things in the past that people have zero patience with him and football fans never forget...when we dislike a player or another team it's usually for life..I don't expect the fans in Rome to like Lotito ever...

Lotito has talked about things like Scudetto and CL many times people and in the beginning we believed him...when he doesn't deliver then people wants his head.

I agree that sometimes it escalated to something you would consider a witch hunt, but again he's only a victim of his own idiocy.

Several of you have pointed out that Lotito doesn't handle day to day business in the club and that it's the sporting sector that is to blame. Then why are heads not rolling?

I feel like this is the third time we've come from a shitty situation and then done something good in a season..and then ruined it the season after with some awful decisions in the mercato and other factors.

Would it be fair to say that Lotito seems like someone who doesn't learn from previous mistakes?

Lets look at the 15/16 shenanigans

- The captain drama
- The awful preseason (seriously why do we still go to that arunzo place?)..Remember this shit the next time you want to post "uh guys don't worry pre season matches doesn't mean anything".
- The Radu extension
- The braafheid extension
- We don't have appropriate cover on the CB position. 4 CBs, one of them being a kid with nothing under his belt.
- The awful approach to the mercato. Lets buy a bunch of kids thinking they can carry us through 3 tournaments
- We still don't have a proper playmaker
- The Mauri drama
- Not buying players for the right positions. Like already pointed out, why on earth would they buy Kishna and leave the CB and playmaker position in such a state?
- Problems in the dressing room with the older players clashing with the younger players and possibly Pioli
- Pioli doesn't have a plan B after one and a half season


Some of you might find my post overly dramatic and remind me nothing is perfect. But there's so many things that went wrong that it's really no surprise that we're in this situation. If Lotito isn't involved with day to day work then maybe he should be? and maybe he should fire half his staff, if they are responsible.

Who is held accountable for the mercato and the strange contract extensions?

Sorry ilsempre, I get where you are coming from but I can't agree with blaming all the above on Lotito.

I would also like to point out, the fans in this forum who slate Lotito are the same ones who are constantly reminded every season to limit their expectations by the fans in this forum who defend Lotito. Before blaming Lotito for everything, maybe take a look at your expectations and re-evaluate the situation.

I know Lotito has a big mouth and sometimes promises things he shouldn't but the phrase 'Fool me once.....' springs to mind.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on December 08, 2015, 05:20:18 PM
We are the 6th richest club in Serie A with Fiorentina closely behind us. Unlike them, we have to pay off Cragnotti's debt. Any season we finish in the Top 7 is a decent season. Anything below that is obviously disappointing, anything above is very good indeed.

Average league position (under Lotito) = 7-8th
Average league position (first 3 seasons) = 6-7th
Average league position (first 5 seasons) = 8th

Average league position (last 5 seasons) = 5th - 6th
Average league position (last 3 seasons) = 6th - 7th
Last season league position = 3rd

It's pretty decent. Of course Lotito has made mistakes and can be held accountable for the overall situation, but what is the overall situation? That he's not quite as good as Cragnotti who was using stolen money? I'll be damned!

a) Lotito is only wanted Somebody who will not against his personal interest. as long as that person being his puppet,he will keep him in the club (Tare ).Othetwise he kick them . Oddo,Liverani,Di Canio,Gianicheda are for example.

That's your opinion Eka, not necessarily the truth. For example, there is no evidence that Lotito got rid of Di Canio because he is Roman, but we have anecdotal evidence which suggests Lotito got rid of Di Canio because he was troublemaker.

As for the whole 'puppet' accusation, this stems from 09-10 when Lotito froze out Pandev and Ledesma. Ledesma was found guilty in court for the actions which saw him frozen out of the team, while Pandev has since proven himself to be a classy guy, making rude gestures to Lazio fans when he scores against us. I took Lotito's side then and with the passing of time, I'm happy I took Lotito's side on that matter.

The fact we haven't seen much of this in the last 5-6 years would suggest to me that maybe Lotito wasn't the problem. Especially when some of the players who were embroiled in dispute have praised their relationship with Lotito.

(d) u can say that it is Tare's business. But the telephone conversation between Lotiti & Rossi suggest the otherwise. there is sabatini on that moment as a ds But Lotito seems to decide EVERYTHING on the transfer business.

No, he doesn't seem to decide everything, he has a conversation with Delio Rossi about the market. Every single owner is going to have a say in any investment that is made by the business, and while he employs Igli Tare to take care of this, of course he has some kind of say, and he's entitled to speak with the manager. But none of us will ever know the full extent of his involvement.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: lazioserbia on December 08, 2015, 06:58:10 PM
Not just that Lotito is making mistakes, which he is, but also that those mistakes are the same ones over and over again. Good season followed by a shitty mercato? Always. Spending more than 15 millions on a player? Almost never, Hernanes being the exception. Giving the fans expectations that he can't meet? Almost always. And so on...

I am not saying that he is the only one to blame, but he has the biggest responsibility. If some of our staff is not doing a good job then Lotito needs to fire them and get someone else. When we finished the last season i really thought that this is the time when we are going to become a strong, balanced team that can challenge everyone, but i was wrong. He brings in Kishna and Milinkovic Savic who need some time to adjust, Morrison who is more concentrated on his Twitter posts and all the other bullshit than anything else, Patric from Barca B like we are Girona or Alaves...that is ridiculous. He has a good team and instead of building a stronger one he decides to buy some shady players who he knows cannot be any more than mediocre. Then when we lose games because our defence looks like shit we blame stupid Mauricio and Hoedt or Basta and Radu...if we are without money like you all are saying than Lotito and Tare should not say that they are preparing the squad to attack scudeto in a couple of years. If we are in such a bad financial situation why is he giving us false hope?

Lotito is very short sighted, even more cheap and stubborn!
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Lazio_ade on December 10, 2015, 03:28:22 PM
What gestures did Lotito made towards Lazio supporters during the juventus game, does anyone know?

I've read some vague references to same but nothing descriptive.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on December 10, 2015, 03:32:41 PM
Well it looks like he makes a hand/arm gesture towards the curva while says "vaffanculo" or something like that. I mean I think it's pretty obvious what he said..

But honestly, it doesn't bother me as much as it does for most other Laziali. I stopped caring a while back, just like I don't care if we win or lose tonight against St Etienne. The players don't give a fu ck..why should i? Bunch of overpaid idiots...

I've gone from being proud to being angry to being careless in less than 6 months...
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Lazio_ade on December 10, 2015, 03:41:01 PM
The players don't give a fu ck..why should i? Bunch of overpaid idiots...

You shouldn't if you don't want to, it's your choice.

Personally I don't look to modern professional footballers when deciding how I I wish to conduct myself.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Eka_Baron on December 10, 2015, 11:13:07 PM
I dont have the transcript to hand so I may be remembering wrong, but I think he was referring to not wanting players with the "romanista attitude" - referring to the attitude of players who play for Roma.

Not that he didnt want players born in Rome, the city.



this a quote from the transcript:

............................

Rossi: "Or Di Vaio, these are the right players".

Lotito: "I will tell you. I think Di Vaio is another sick player, we have to get players out of the Roman mechanism, otherwise they will get into that black hole, we have to get people that behave in a different way
.......


Its clear that Lotito doesnt want another Roman at those times as he was told Rossi Di Vaio is a sick player and must get a player out from a Roman mechanism which is mean from the Roman surrounding. its not the Romanista attitude. from where u get this?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Giolazio on December 11, 2015, 12:12:25 AM
I dont have the transcript to hand so I may be remembering wrong, but I think he was referring to not wanting players with the "romanista attitude" - referring to the attitude of players who play for Roma.

Not that he didnt want players born in Rome, the city.



this a quote from the transcript:

............................

Rossi: "Or Di Vaio, these are the right players".

Lotito: "I will tell you. I think Di Vaio is another sick player, we have to get players out of the Roman mechanism, otherwise they will get into that black hole, we have to get people that behave in a different way
.......


Its clear that Lotito doesnt want another Roman at those times as he was told Rossi Di Vaio is a sick player and must get a player out from a Roman mechanism which is mean from the Roman surrounding. its not the Romanista attitude. from where u get this?

You have quoted it in English, since the conversation was in Italian we would have to look at the original source.

Well it looks like he makes a hand/arm gesture towards the curva while says "vaffanculo" or something like that. I mean I think it's pretty obvious what he said..

But honestly, it doesn't bother me as much as it does for most other Laziali. I stopped caring a while back, just like I don't care if we win or lose tonight against St Etienne. The players don't give a fu ck..why should i? Bunch of overpaid idiots...

I've gone from being proud to being angry to being careless in less than 6 months...

I really don't get what the problem is if he shouted vaffanculo...
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Stefano6 on December 11, 2015, 09:20:03 AM
I dont have the transcript to hand so I may be remembering wrong, but I think he was referring to not wanting players with the "romanista attitude" - referring to the attitude of players who play for Roma.

Not that he didnt want players born in Rome, the city.



this a quote from the transcript:

............................

Rossi: "Or Di Vaio, these are the right players".

Lotito: "I will tell you. I think Di Vaio is another sick player, we have to get players out of the Roman mechanism, otherwise they will get into that black hole, we have to get people that behave in a different way
.......


Its clear that Lotito doesnt want another Roman at those times as he was told Rossi Di Vaio is a sick player and must get a player out from a Roman mechanism which is mean from the Roman surrounding. its not the Romanista attitude. from where u get this?

Well if you actually read my original comment, you will see that I said I may have mis-remembered.

Thats fine, it seems that he didnt want a Roman player at the time, perhaps after the bitter taste Di Canio left and the trouble he caused.
However I think there is an issue with the translation there - an Italian would not describe a player as "sick" in the good or bad sense of the word, so I dont know what he actually means there.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Evesto on December 18, 2015, 05:10:26 PM
'The fans think they critisize me but i always wear a raincoat that simply let's it all wash of'

That's funny and well put i tought, but then he said last mercato was a succes, that really did't hit the spot for me.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Sile on December 20, 2015, 10:46:44 PM
No need for reinforcements, we beat the league leaders at their home  :razz:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Biancoceleste on December 20, 2015, 10:49:39 PM
No need for reinforcements, we beat the league leaders at their home  :razz:

I'll bet we'll hear some words from him tonight - as always after victories and never after defeats  :supsmile:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Sile on December 20, 2015, 10:55:33 PM
I can hear it already! "We have a competitive squad, with players who uphold the highest moral and professional standards, and we will continue to fight for the emblem and la maglia"
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Sile on December 21, 2015, 04:53:45 PM
Like clockwork

http://www.football-italia.net/77415/lotito-strong-belief-team (http://www.football-italia.net/77415/lotito-strong-belief-team)
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Crni Đorđe on December 21, 2015, 04:59:36 PM
Like clockwork

[url]http://www.football-italia.net/77415/lotito-strong-belief-team[/url] ([url]http://www.football-italia.net/77415/lotito-strong-belief-team[/url])


One hour and 10 minutes after match was finished.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Biancoceleste on December 21, 2015, 05:47:16 PM
the present and the future of our beloved Lazio:

(http://cdn.corrieredellosport.it/images/2015/12/17/233921759-fadb8d0e-78d9-42e1-ad15-66d3301fd4e5.jpg)

 :twinkle:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Stefano6 on December 21, 2015, 06:45:10 PM
McLovin?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Sile on December 21, 2015, 07:14:45 PM
OMG can't unsee
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on December 21, 2015, 07:22:29 PM
Maybe his offspring isn't a tyrant like the old man is?

And maybe I get to sleep with Scarlet Johansson tonight..?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ArmLaziale on December 21, 2015, 07:56:36 PM
Ilsempre  :supsmile:

(https://i.imgflip.com/w4tyv.jpg)
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on December 21, 2015, 08:04:57 PM
McLovin?

Impossible not to see it, surely!

Maybe his offspring isn't a tyrant like the old man is?

And maybe I get to sleep with Scarlet Johansson tonight..?

Our fanbase doesn't have issues with tyrants, just tyrants who have no cash.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: lazioserbia on December 21, 2015, 09:39:31 PM
Maybe his offspring isn't a tyrant like the old man is?

And maybe I get to sleep with Scarlet Johansson tonight..?

Mmmmmm Scarlet Johansson  :wow:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on January 03, 2016, 02:27:59 PM
Do you guys watch the tv show called pawn stars?

Well if not, it's a US TV show based on the owners of a big pawn shop somewhere in America. One of the more funny parts is one of the owners being imfamous for low offers..like someone will come in with a rare item and be like "yeah I am expecting to get 50k dollars for this" and in the end the owner is like "the most I can offer you is 100 dollars"...

For some reason I just have this idea that's how Lotito works on the transfer market:

Other president: I have this really good player for sale, are you interested?

Lotito: Yeah lets see if we can make a deal. Tell me about the other player

Other president: My player is physically strong, quick, can shoot with both feet, deadball specialist, good with headers, can play in multiple parts of the pitch. Has lots of experience at top level and european football..and best thing is he's only 19 years old

Lotito: Oh that sounds amazing..and how much were you hoping to get for him?

Other president: I was hoping to get between 15 and 20 mill euros for him..but I am up for negotiating..

And Lotitos final response:

(http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/50931162.jpg)
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: lazioserbia on January 03, 2016, 03:47:07 PM
Hahahahahahahahahaha

I watch this sometimes and Rick is such a thief. He acts like he is risking something and the second the customer walks out of the door he is like **** YEAH IM GONNA MAKE MONEY ON THIS!
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: the fryer on January 03, 2016, 04:44:10 PM
so who plays as chum lee??
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Gianni Calcio on May 02, 2016, 10:42:08 AM
Hahahahahahahahahaha

I watch this sometimes and Rick is such a thief. He acts like he is risking something and the second the customer walks out of the door he is like have fun YEAH IM GONNA MAKE MONEY ON THIS!

The show is filmed on a set so I think its all b.s
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: lazioserbia on May 02, 2016, 11:05:35 AM
Hahahahahahahahahaha

I watch this sometimes and Rick is such a thief. He acts like he is risking something and the second the customer walks out of the door he is like have fun YEAH IM GONNA MAKE MONEY ON THIS!

The show is filmed on a set so I think its all b.s

It's the American way...as much plastic and fake as it can be  :razz:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on May 16, 2016, 01:55:51 AM
Klose revealed today  that he's not had any contact whatsoever from the club regarding a possible contract negotiation, just silence.

If that's true that is really disrespectful..
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: dinhochester on May 16, 2016, 03:38:58 AM
Klose revealed today  that he's not had any contact whatsoever from the club regarding a possible contract negotiation, just silence.

If that's true that is really disrespectful..

It is owner fault.
I am no wonder that this team lose all respect from all the fans, players, coaches, potential player, everyone.
No good player would be interested to join this team if there is other similar club choices.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Akha on May 16, 2016, 08:46:27 AM
Typical stuff from this pig and his blonde-boy.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ArmLaziale on May 16, 2016, 11:09:46 AM
Then he has the nerve to present a gift in front of the fans, lotito can be very good at presenting himself as a repulsive human being, it's probably because he is.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Secret_Samadhi on May 16, 2016, 12:41:33 PM
I don't understand how come nobody kicked his sorry a$$ yet.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Crni Đorđe on May 16, 2016, 11:02:56 PM
Malaysian entrepreneur Datò Noordin Ahmad, who recently bought Bari, said that his plan A in Italy was Lazio, He proposed an offer to Lotito couple months ago (even visited Formello, as many journalists reported), but was eventually declined.

Bari ends as plan B, succesfull plan for him.

Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on May 17, 2016, 12:18:36 PM
Yeah he went out and said Bari was Plan B only...and that Lotito rejected his proposals.

Do we have any idea how rich this guy actually is?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Roman_Eagle on May 18, 2016, 07:06:18 PM
what the hell? lotito didn't contact klose for a new contract? he is our best striker ffs!!!!!!!! even at 38 he is awesome!
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Sile on May 18, 2016, 07:18:05 PM
That says far more about our other strikers that about Miro.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Secret_Samadhi on May 22, 2016, 04:41:17 PM
Why Tare speaks bs about Klose? Why he lies?Tare said he offered Klose new contract but Klose refuse cuz he wanted to return to Germany. Now, Klose says he never was offered any offer from Lazio. I belive Klose more than this blonde creature.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: blue-white on May 24, 2016, 10:45:44 PM
Why Tare speaks bs about Klose? Why he lies?Tare said he offered Klose new contract but Klose refuse cuz he wanted to return to Germany. Now, Klose says he never was offered any offer from Lazio. I belive Klose more than this blonde creature.

I'm also no big Tare fan, but I would not believe all what journalists are writing.
Especially when we know that Tare never ever had a bad word about Klose. And I also don't think that they had a problem between them in the last months.....or we don't know anything about a possible heat up.

Anyway....media often writes bullshit. I don't think that these reports are true.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Crni Đorđe on May 24, 2016, 10:55:25 PM
Why Tare speaks bs about Klose? Why he lies?Tare said he offered Klose new contract but Klose refuse cuz he wanted to return to Germany. Now, Klose says he never was offered any offer from Lazio. I belive Klose more than this blonde creature.

I'm also no big Tare fan, but I would not believe all what journalists are writing.
Especially when we know that Tare never ever had a bad word about Klose. And I also don't think that they had a problem between them in the last months.....or we don't know anything about a possible heat up.

Anyway....media often writes bullshit. I don't think that these reports are true.

You know what's the oddest thing here - why would any of them lie? I can't figure it out why would, what would both of them gain from lie.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on May 26, 2016, 12:14:58 PM
KPMG released their yearly report about the richest clubs in the world..here's the top 32

Surprised to see us in 23nd spot.

(http://i.imgur.com/kDrxqfl.png)


You can download the whole report here..

https://www.footballbenchmark.com/documents/files/public/KPMG_Football_Clubs'_Valuation_Report_26_May_2016.p df (https://www.footballbenchmark.com/documents/files/public/KPMG_Football_Clubs'_Valuation_Report_26_May_2016.pdf)
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Evesto on May 26, 2016, 12:30:32 PM
Very surprised as well, around the 40-45 i would have guessed at best but on the other hand statistics can be blinding leaving out crucial facts by the people assembling them.  We have a huge debt, altough many clubs well above us have massive debts.

Logically tough, Milan, Inter, Napoli, 1927, Juve are above us with much bigger numbers so that gives a reflection of the Serie A at current.  Just looking at this one could expect us to be 6th most of the times.  This showes that 8th is clearly not a good season but it's also far from disastrous.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on May 26, 2016, 12:36:58 PM
KPMG released their yearly report about the richest clubs in the world..here's the top 32

Surprised to see us in 23nd spot.

Very surprised as well, around the 40-45 i would have guessed at best but on the other hand statistics can be blinding leaving out crucial facts by the people assembling them. 

It isn't a list of 'rich' clubs, it's a list of valuable clubs. It means if all clubs were sold tomorrow, Lazio could be expected to get the 23rd highest offer - it doesn't mean Lazio have more money than all but 22 clubs in the world.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Amir on May 26, 2016, 01:11:30 PM
We might be 23-rd indeed, but the gap to the, let`s say 10th place is ridiculous and without a hope of a chance coming anytime soon.

good to even see us on that list, but again, we are far far away. To even see AC Milan this far is an alarm for Serie A.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: moody on May 26, 2016, 01:12:00 PM
A club's biggest assets are its brand, players and cash/receivables. While we have an ok brand and maybe overstated players, we are definitely not rich on cash. These reports are fairly meaningless as Biglia and Candreva could depreciate a lot within 2 years, and we could be left with nothing.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on May 30, 2016, 05:27:02 PM
http://www.football-italia.net/85149/roma-deposit-stadium-plan (http://www.football-italia.net/85149/roma-deposit-stadium-plan)

In the Lazio region... :sevil:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: rich on May 30, 2016, 05:59:51 PM
Just seen this, not going to go down well at all
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on May 30, 2016, 06:09:00 PM
[url]http://www.football-italia.net/85149/roma-deposit-stadium-plan[/url] ([url]http://www.football-italia.net/85149/roma-deposit-stadium-plan[/url])

In the Lazio region... :sevil:

Just seen this, not going to go down well at all


They weren't going to build it in Tuscany, folks.

Lazio is an administrative region, a large area with a huge population. 'Lazio Region' does not mean the stadium is being built right in the middle of all the Lazio fans - it's being built roughly where you'd expect to find a lot of red shirts.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on May 30, 2016, 06:20:40 PM
I was hoping they would put the stadium on Sicily...

But yeah I know the region is massive, it's just the message that feels insulting. But perhaps I am reading too much into it  :supsmile:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Rizmo on May 30, 2016, 07:12:00 PM
But perhaps I am reading too much into it  :supsmile:

That's better  :whistle:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Giolazio on June 01, 2016, 07:12:38 AM
[url]http://www.football-italia.net/85149/roma-deposit-stadium-plan[/url] ([url]http://www.football-italia.net/85149/roma-deposit-stadium-plan[/url])

In the Lazio region... :sevil:


Rome is in Lazio so even if they were to knock down the Colosseum and build there they will still be in the Lazio region.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Stefano6 on June 03, 2016, 03:54:03 PM
But perhaps I am reading too much into it  :supsmile:

That's better  :whistle:

Absolutely. The city of Rome is in the region of Lazio, means nothing in regard to the club. You can buy wine from Lazio, has nothing to do with us.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Eaton_swfc on June 03, 2016, 04:44:20 PM
Where is the Merda stadium being built ? Which area of Rome ?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on June 03, 2016, 04:45:29 PM
Where is the Merda stadium being built ? Which area of Rome ?

Tor di Valle.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 14, 2016, 08:58:13 PM
I guess you might have seen  already, but there's a big protest going on right now against Lotito. About 5000 Laziali turned up for the event.

Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Lazio-Irish on July 15, 2016, 01:13:18 PM
Onazi liking pics of the protest on instagram :D
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: lazioserbia on July 15, 2016, 01:28:10 PM
Onazi liking pics of the protest on instagram :D

 :bravo: Lotito is becoming the joke of the season...

Veron called him a liar, Bielsa basically did the same thing, fans are protesting against him and he is fighting with Pallotta like he has nothing more important to do. Lotito the spy, he has conversations recorded and evidence of sabotage...I just can't see how he can put on his ninja costume while being a fat fuc*?

Vattene, vattene, vattene!
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: flurffmeister on July 15, 2016, 01:53:28 PM
I guess you might have seen  already, but there's a big protest going on right now against Lotito. About 5000 Laziali turned up for the event.

8000 have attended yesterday's protest.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Secret_Samadhi on July 15, 2016, 03:24:31 PM
Why can't some chinese bilionere buy Lazio instead of some bs clubs from England? I rather sell my soul to chinese people than having this fat bastard and his blonde asshole of liars.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Giolazio on July 15, 2016, 07:59:01 PM
Why can't some chinese bilionere buy Lazio instead of some bs clubs from England? I rather sell my soul to chinese people than having this fat bastard and his blonde asshole of liars.

Can't take this serious.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 15, 2016, 08:03:10 PM
Why can't some chinese bilionere buy Lazio instead of some bs clubs from England? I rather sell my soul to chinese people than having this fat bastard and his blonde asshole of liars.

Because Lazio can't earn them money they earn at random English club. Nor is attractive, nor Serie A is attractive, nor tv rights are anybody near EPL rank, nor tifosi are rational as they (at least, appears) in England.

Not to mention that Lazio are considered as  club throughout Europe and world. Nobody wants to be connected with  or nazism.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Secret_Samadhi on July 15, 2016, 09:54:39 PM
Why can't some chinese bilionere buy Lazio instead of some bs clubs from England? I rather sell my soul to chinese people than having this fat bastard and his blonde asshole of liars.

Can't take this serious.

Why not? Are you happy with this mess? Everybody is laughting at us.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Giolazio on July 15, 2016, 10:21:36 PM
Why can't some chinese bilionere buy Lazio instead of some bs clubs from England? I rather sell my soul to chinese people than having this fat bastard and his blonde asshole of liars.

Can't take this serious.

Why not? Are you happy with this mess? Everybody is laughting at us.

And a Chinese billionaire would make it better?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Stefano6 on July 15, 2016, 11:19:16 PM
Why can't some chinese bilionere buy Lazio instead of some bs clubs from England? I rather sell my soul to chinese people than having this fat bastard and his blonde asshole of liars.

Can't take this serious.

Why not? Are you happy with this mess? Everybody is laughting at us.

They're really not. Literally the only people who care are Laziali, a lot of which will complain about literally anything so this is just the latest excuse.
And possibly Romanisti because everyone likes to see their rival struggle.

This whole "we're a laughing stock of European football" thing is getting old, because it's simply not true.

Even in this country where obviously news of Lazio is much more frequent and easier to find than abroad, no one is laughing at us. In fact most are on our side with regard to Bielsa, and the Keita/Anderson fall out is hardly a shocking development that's never happened to players and clubs before.
To be honest it's kind of arrogant of anyone to think other clubs/fans care enough to do laugh.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Secret_Samadhi on July 15, 2016, 11:40:25 PM
Why can't some chinese bilionere buy Lazio instead of some bs clubs from England? I rather sell my soul to chinese people than having this fat bastard and his blonde asshole of liars.

Can't take this serious.

Why not? Are you happy with this mess? Everybody is laughting at us.

And a Chinese billionaire would make it better?

For a start, it will make Lotito go away. Chiense, arab, italian, american....I don't care. This mess is just too much.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Secret_Samadhi on July 15, 2016, 11:45:35 PM
Why can't some chinese bilionere buy Lazio instead of some bs clubs from England? I rather sell my soul to chinese people than having this fat bastard and his blonde asshole of liars.

Can't take this serious.

Why not? Are you happy with this mess? Everybody is laughting at us.

They're really not. Literally the only people who care are Laziali, a lot of which will complain about literally anything so this is just the latest excuse.
And possibly Romanisti because everyone likes to see their rival struggle.

This whole "we're a laughing stock of European football" thing is getting old, because it's simply not true.

Even in this country where obviously news of Lazio is much more frequent and easier to find than abroad, no one is laughing at us. In fact most are on our side with regard to Bielsa, and the Keita/Anderson fall out is hardly a shocking development that's never happened to players and clubs before.
To be honest it's kind of arrogant of anyone to think other clubs/fans care enough to do laugh.

No offence but sometimes I really wonder if you don't get paid by Lotito. Obviously, Lotito is lying about Bielsa case, there is too much contradictions in his story and Tares story. Then these accusations against Sabatini and Verón is making people scratching their heads. We don't have a proper coach, players wants to leave, who will want to come to Lazio after all this? Lukakus brother?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Stefano6 on July 16, 2016, 12:56:45 AM
Offence taken. I'm not paid by him but I'm also not foolish enough to blame every little thing on him.

He is most definitely exaggerating on some of the things he says but the fact remains Bielsa decided to screw us over. Obviously he's going to be bitter about that and while it would be best if he didn't comment on it and let the lawyers do their work, he can't help but comment.

But my entire previous post is accurate.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: lazioserbia on July 16, 2016, 01:45:02 AM
Bielsa screwed us over but when Lotito read that list of what Bielsa wanted he really made a fool of himself in my opinion...someone who's a known lunatic is asking you for things you can't give and you continue the negotiations? Why? Lotito gambled again and lost. Again.

Though he isn't to blame for everything he does make a shit load of stupid mistakes that could be avoided. He doesn't care for the fans, he doesn't even speak to us about what's happening to the club but at the same time he's saying scandalous things in the media...he brings bad image with those stories of his and threatening to 1927 is something I'd expect them to do, not us. Laziali have never been cowards as far as I know, we have our thing and we don't care about them. They're just shits.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Kaiser on July 16, 2016, 06:03:35 AM
He is most definitely exaggerating on some of the things he says but the fact remains Bielsa decided to screw us over.
I still wonder could he do this Juve, Milan, Inter, riomma or Napoli. You know what? I don't think so. Nobody take Lotito for serious. He lost his respect. And thanks to him nobody take Lazio for serious. Just asking, could Bielsa screw us during Cragnotti Era?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Stefano6 on July 16, 2016, 07:01:11 AM
Of course he could, it's got nothing to do with who we are, Bielsa wants Argentina job and needed a way out of his agreement. He probably made demands he knew we couldn't keep to use as an excuse.
Perhaps if it was Juve he would have asked they sign Messi or something.

There's more prestige in managing Juve than us but in my opinion he just changed his mind and screwed us over to get out. Lotito only met him once, Calveri did most of the negotiations, but of course a lot of fans probably don't even know who he is so naturally blame Lotito cos it's all they know how to do.

And Crsgnotti screwed us over all by himself, he wouldn't need Bielsas help.
I really can't take anyone seriously who looks on that period and wants to return to it as if back then it was perfect and now were some second rate club. Sure on the pitch we won, but we almost paid for it with the highest price.

But seriously everyone for the love of God, stop with this "we're a laughing stock" bullshit. I'm telling you as a fact from someone who lives in the country and sees/hears/reads the sports news every day - no one else cares enough to laugh at us
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Secret_Samadhi on July 16, 2016, 08:56:51 AM
Of course he could, it's got nothing to do with who we are, Bielsa wants Argentina job and needed a way out of his agreement. He probably made demands he knew we couldn't keep to use as an excuse.
Perhaps if it was Juve he would have asked they sign Messi or something.
Yeah, keep thinking that. Lotito said one thing, Tare another regarding Bielsa demands. Who to belive?


I really can't take anyone seriously who looks on that period and wants to return to it as if back then it was perfect and now were some second rate club.

Right now, we ARE a second rate club.

But seriously everyone for the love of God, stop with this "we're a laughing stock" bullshit. I'm telling you as a fact from someone who lives in the country and sees/hears/reads the sports news every day - no one else cares enough to laugh at us
Nobody cares, why? Cuz those two clowns made sure nobody takes Lazio seriously anymore.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Stefano6 on July 16, 2016, 10:28:33 AM
Jesus Christ.... fine whatever believe what you like. You're wrong but I havnt got the willpower to discuss with someone like you


I'm seriously fed up of this place, you used to be able to have good discussions about Lazio but now it's just thousands of idiotic posts of "Lotito is a fat clown" or "everyone is laughing at us thanks to them"

I've got better things to occupy my time than this place
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Secret_Samadhi on July 16, 2016, 11:05:21 AM
Typical Lotito style... when lack of arguments, then it goes like this "you are wrong, I am right, you are idiot with idiotic thoughts". Very classy, I must admit.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Stefano6 on July 16, 2016, 11:11:25 AM
Everything I say, you either turn it around as "well of course it's like that cos they are clowns" or you say "you obviously think like that cos you're paid by Lotito"

So it's pointless discussing it with you, it's like taking to a child
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Secret_Samadhi on July 16, 2016, 12:11:34 PM
I gave you arguments, you come with "idiotic posts, I live in Italy blabla". Probably and perhaps are no arguments, it's called guessing. Think about that.

10.000 laziali dosen't agree with you also. Idiots, also, eh?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Stefano6 on July 16, 2016, 12:35:23 PM
since you're having problems understanding let me spell it out for you in simple words.

You say we are a laughing stock.
I say we are not. I have much more access to regular news and opinion from the media and other fans than you because I live here. I tell you as a fact that media and other fans do not view us that way.

And yet you continue to insist we are because "they are clowns". This is opinion, and yes, idiotic.
No one has ever said they are not in the wrong, not even me, Lotitos employee as you believe. Everyone knows what they are like but you (and others) take it too far and try to pin everything on them.

This isn't even about Lotito, it's about you thinking that a bad outcome with a manager and a couple of misplaced comments imhas tuned us into a joke.

I'll repeat as a closer, then in done with wasting my energy on you.
People who think we are a joke: this forum.  vocal anti Lotito fans who use any excuse to moan. Romanisti who are always going to think that.

People who have no real opinion: the rest of the world.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Secret_Samadhi on July 16, 2016, 01:29:34 PM
 
You say we are a laughing stock.
I say we are not. I have much more access to regular news and opinion from the media and other fans than you because I live here. I tell you as a fact that media and other fans do not view us that way.
We don't live in 1980 anymore, now we have a thing called internet and I have been on different fans sites and forums, and yes, they laught at us. I dunno why you take it so hard. But hey, you live in Italy, you know best.

And yet you continue to insist we are because "they are clowns". This is opinion, and yes, idiotic.
No one has ever said they are not in the wrong, not even me, Lotitos employee as you believe. Everyone knows what they are like but you (and others) take it too far and try to pin everything on them.
And how come they are not clowns? They negotiate with a possible lunatic coach with a advocat as a middlehand, meanwhile they are having fun at EURO's, a month goes by, promises are broken, Bielsa has enugh for whatever reason, Lotito says he had no contact directly with Bielsa, then after 2 days he change his words he meet him once and once talked in italian over the phone, Tare says Bielsa wanted Pato, Valencia and some other dude, Lotito says we never discussed new players, then he changes his story and tells he promised Bielsa a 30 milion defender and some other players, then he accused Sabatini and Lazio icon Veron (of all people) for talking to Bielsa, having no evidence. He appoints Simone as a new coach, talking bs how Inzaghi never was a second choice even if he spoke to Sampaoli, had a verbal agreement with Prandelli and a contract with Bielsa and was ready to offload Inzaghi to Salerno to gain experience (his words). So you tell me if this is a behaviour of a clown or what?

This isn't even about Lotito, it's about you thinking that a bad outcome with a manager and a couple of misplaced comments imhas tuned us into a joke.
Misplaced comments? So accusing Veron is a missplaced comment? Ok.

I'll repeat as a closer, then in done with wasting my energy on you.
People who think we are a joke: this forum.  vocal anti Lotito fans who use any excuse to moan. Romanisti who are always going to think that.

10.000 laziali don't agree with you. :twinkle:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: phantomm1976 on July 16, 2016, 02:33:31 PM
 Bielsa drama is finished....
 So lets not generalize the problem,
 Ledesma-Pandev-Zarate-Mutareli etc cases in court ? We lose.....
 Klose comes here and our image becomes better- how we threat him ?
 Why good players don't want to come here, why good players escape from us(someone else steal from us -Pjanic for example).....
 We are losing Candreva almost for shure, Keita is on his way to leave also....
 Whats happen with Adriano-Valencia- Brasilian defender ?
 2007 CL, Last season CL round match ? - new players ?
 Lotito ? Or someone else ?
 Patric-Bisevac-Hoedt-Brafheid ? Are those Lazio material, or CL material ?
 Injuries ? -What kind of medical stuff we have ?
 Bielsa is gone, plan b- Prandeli ?
 Bad policy
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: moody on July 16, 2016, 02:38:41 PM
Just because we ain't the focal point of the football world doesn't mean anything. We may not be laughed at because we're too far away from the big clubs, but what we are heading to is definitely laughing stock material. Just like Palermo and Zamparini, non Serie A fans would not know about him changing 8 coaches in one season, but those who heard it thinks its incredibly stupid. And for further supporting, my friends do mock me once and a while since they know I'm a Lazio fan, on this Bielsa issue and some previous ones.

The problem of Lotare is clear, they are mean and has a small club mentality. They had some success at first gaining some good results with limited budget, but now the coaches, players, fans, other clubs all know they are hard to deal with and unambitious, and it's all showing up. Not many established Serie A players want to join us and coaches also. We don't do a lot of transfers within Serie A. We always break the deals and find out the players joined someone else for a reasonable fee.

We, above all, should know how ridiculous the management is.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Giolazio on July 16, 2016, 04:29:29 PM
Again with the Cragnotti comparisons. The guy went to jail for tax fraud, bankrupt Lazio and only showed his face again at Lazio once the fans turned against Lotito.

But whatever the hell floats your boat.....
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: hamid on July 16, 2016, 04:37:30 PM
It's really disgusting when I see Lazio fans talk to each other like this. We may have different opinions on some issues, but we all love Lazio, so why can't we respect each other?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Silindeee on July 16, 2016, 05:37:08 PM
Its like saying : we are all humans , why cant we have peace"
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: valdanito on July 16, 2016, 05:40:15 PM
If fans want to say they don't like lotito and his way of handling things, then they should be able to do so without having to fall into generalizations and without being categorized.

I think he's ruining this football club, but saying that around here will get you hanged these days.

Lotito vattene, and whoever doesn't like it can just block me. Sometimes I just wish he would drop dead.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on July 16, 2016, 06:22:22 PM
If fans want to say they don't like lotito and his way of handling things, then they should be able to do so without having to fall into generalizations and without being categorized.

I think he's ruining this football club, but saying that around here will get you hanged these days.

Lotito vattene, and whoever doesn't like it can just block me. Sometimes I just wish he would drop dead.

If you think fans should be able to say whatever they want about Lotito without being pigeonholed or hanged, let me say that Lotito should be able to be criticised without people wishing death upon him.

Those comments never have been and never will be acceptable on this forum in my opinion. Ermetico called out these posts when they were being posted on our Facebook page last week as bringing shame upon Lazio and Lazio fans. I think, if anything, we let a lot of things stand that would've simply been deleted in the past.

I don't think there's a single person in here who hasn't criticised or wouldn't criticise or management, so not sure why there's the need for nastiness.

Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Silindeee on July 16, 2016, 06:36:03 PM
Find me a club that fans havent criticised their management ,president,coach etc ! There is NONE !! Its in human race to never be satisfied and always wanting more and more! I m not a fan of lotito , but wishing for someone to die about a Sport its just ridiculus , you should go see a doctor mate.Football doesnt pay you, gives you nothing except some moments of joy, rexal and enjoy these moments.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Evesto on July 16, 2016, 06:50:26 PM
Again with the Cragnotti comparisons. The guy went to jail for tax fraud, bankrupt Lazio and only showed his face again at Lazio once the fans turned against Lotito.

But whatever the hell floats your boat.....

 :bravo:

He brought the title so to lot's he remains 'the president'. 
Anyone can do that, buy and pay players you can't afford and then go bankrupt afterwords, plus other issues.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 16, 2016, 07:14:36 PM
Can only speak for myself here. I don't even have the energy to complain anymore, I am just fed up with everything that's going on in the club.

Fan protest
player protests
coach cirus
mercato circus


Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: afp1961 on July 17, 2016, 04:03:51 AM
 World football has changed more in the last five years then it has over the past 50 years. Globalization, very rich players, TV rights, consumer driven demand, player agents that act as power brokers, marketing and global brands  have altered our game like no other time. Unfortunately Italian football has not embraced this change as much as the other so-called larger football leagues in England Getmany and Spain have.  Who would've thought teams like man united, PSG, man city, Monaco, and even inter-would be owned and guided by international owners.

Having said that money clearly makes our sport go round. Without a salary cap like in pro hockey or basketball trying to run a fiscally responsible program, as Lotito is supposedly trying to do is an effort in futility. His approach brings a "race to the bottom mentality." All players want to leave Or end up being pushed out by tight fisted management styles. I am grateful to lotito for taking us out of financial crisis, but that does not give him a free pass to let us waste away do to his tight fisted approach. I would love to have an Italian owned our beloved Aquile with deep pockets. However if Morratti and Belusconi cannot do this - nobody can. I hope Lotito sells NOW to anyone who truly wants to make our team great. I don't care if they are Asians, Arabs, Americans or otherwise.

The time is well past. Lotito is out of step with modern day football. If he truly loves this club he would understand and sell, sell, sell.

Vatene subito!!

Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: inhocsignovinces on July 17, 2016, 07:14:52 AM
I disagree, if Lotito loves this club, selling wouldn't be an option. Whose hands would it end up in? It could potentially destroy us. We don't know what is thru that door. Lotito is a cheap bastard but any of you would be cheaper if you could get a chance to taste the kind of cash he has. I think Lotito is an asshole but within reason. I also get it.

Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on July 17, 2016, 10:22:40 AM
For what it's worth, I found the heated debate a few pages ago to be interesting and my thoughts on it are very clear.

The way I see it, Lazio is a laughing stock to many of her own fans, but not to the wider football community, and I think this is pretty much fact. For example, every time I've ever said I'm a Lazio fan to someone in Ireland, they talk about our fans being s and general violence from the Ultras in Rome. Obviously I try and put to bed any misconceptions, but rarely am I successful.

Now, I appreciate this is one person's experience in one tiny country, but, I'd be very surprised if in other countries, people associate Lazio with Lotito and enter into fits of hysterics when they hear the name.

I also have the impression that Lazio were somewhat of a laughing stock in the football community towards the end of the Cragnotti era, when people started enjoying the fact our insane spending was coming back to bite us in the backside. And I think that has been largely forgotten as other clubs have suffered a similar fate in subsequent years, but it's something I'd expect Lazio fans to remember.

Finally, I think we spend way too much time on topics such as the management or mismanagement of the club or supportership or lack of in the stands etc. For example, Lotito has been here for 12 of 116 years - we shouldn't really associate Lazio and Lotito as much as we do when, in almost 90% of our history, he's non-existent.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Akha on July 17, 2016, 11:59:14 AM
What I can tell from my experience is that people with relatively satisfactory football knowledge associate us with the Golden Era, while casual football followers talk mostly about us being  and violent. I've never met a single person laughing at our management and this person not being laziale at the same time - I either met with respect for our achievements and Ultras history or complete disrespect because of racist/ issues. I'm speaking mostly about my country though. About this spending big and winning small I don't recall people talking that way - it was mainly *Lazio, a real powerhouse of that time*. About Lotito, being it a lack of knowledge or biased opinnions, Calcio fans here consider him tough buinsessman to negotiate with and that's basically everything a non-Lazio fan would say (maybe apart from some sorry Roma supporters). With media it's pretty much the same - cheap journals write about racism, professional and quality ones write about us mostly in the past tense. It is only my experience though. Laughing stock is Zamparini, yeah, he is regarded as a real madman all around the world I guess :>
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 17, 2016, 02:24:38 PM
I don't think laughing stock is the right word to use here because it doesn't quite cover the reputation we have in Italy.

Palermo is the laughing stock in the Serie A, real circus.

For us we have 1: a president who acts like a shithead and 2: Our most extreme ultras

Palermo is the circus of Serie A, we're the assholes of Serie A..that's our reputation. Very few clubs in Serie A have fans who don't have a strong dislike for us.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: lazioserbia on July 17, 2016, 03:26:25 PM
In my opinion, I couldn't care less what the fans of other clubs are thinking, if they hate Lazio and our Ultras that's just fine, I hate half of Serie A teams and the other half I don't like so it's only normal for me to have others who hate us. I'd rather have a set of fans who actually make a statement than having fans like Arsenal or Man City or Utd...

In Serbia it's the same thing, some people like Lazio because of the golden era and because a lot of Serbs have played for it, some like it because of the Curva Nord and some just don't like it. But seriously, only an idiot can call Lazio a  club...a part of Laziali may be s or right-wing or whatever but Lazio, as a club, has nothing to do with it. All those people who think they know anything about Lazio or have the right to call out Lazio as being  have absolutely no clue that 1927 is, in fact, the club that is found and made by s.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Giolazio on July 17, 2016, 08:28:07 PM
I don't think laughing stock is the right word to use here because it doesn't quite cover the reputation we have in Italy.

Palermo is the laughing stock in the Serie A, real circus.

For us we have 1: a president who acts like a shithead and 2: Our most extreme ultras

Palermo is the circus of Serie A, we're the assholes of Serie A..that's our reputation. Very few clubs in Serie A have fans who don't have a strong dislike for us.

Italian club's fans hate other Italian club's fans. That's natural. Everyone hates Juventus fans. Everyone hates Napoli fans. Everyone hates Milan fans.

There are a few 'gemelli' but it's nothing to do with the actual team. More to do with an event that brought the fans together. So let's not kid ourselves that we are hated in Italy, or mocked.

Even to say Palermo is a circus isn't true. Maybe to the Serie A follower outside Italy, whereas in Italy it's more 'normal'. Zamp is pretty Italian afterall  :supsmile:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Giolazio on July 17, 2016, 08:31:26 PM
I disagree, if Lotito loves this club, selling wouldn't be an option. Whose hands would it end up in? It could potentially destroy us. We don't know what is thru that door. Lotito is a cheap bastard but any of you would be cheaper if you could get a chance to taste the kind of cash he has. I think Lotito is an asshole but within reason. I also get it.

I would like to add, that anyone who was around in 2004, and not following their 'other' teams, would remember how desperate times were back then.

I always said to myself, if we can find a buyer who can restructure the debt and keep us in Serie A every season I will be over the moon. Anything else is a bonus. 12 years later we have won 2 Coppa Italia's, one beating riomma in the final, one Supercoppa and qualified for CL twice. I would say that is a pretty darn good bonus.

Our debt was restructured, our financial stability is excellent. We are competitive. It could be worse, it could be 2004 again.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 17, 2016, 08:43:49 PM
I disagree, if Lotito loves this club, selling wouldn't be an option. Whose hands would it end up in? It could potentially destroy us. We don't know what is thru that door. Lotito is a cheap bastard but any of you would be cheaper if you could get a chance to taste the kind of cash he has. I think Lotito is an asshole but within reason. I also get it.

I would like to add, that anyone who was around in 2004, and not following their 'other' teams, would remember how desperate times were back then.

I always said to myself, if we can find a buyer who can restructure the debt and keep us in Serie A every season I will be over the moon. Anything else is a bonus. 12 years later we have won 2 Coppa Italia's, one beating riomma in the final, one Supercoppa and qualified for CL twice. I would say that is a pretty darn good bonus.

Our debt was restructured, our financial stability is excellent. We are competitive. It could be worse, it could be 2004 again.

There were days when arguably one of our greatest icons outburst's cast out one of most talented Lazio-made players before Nesta, led club right into Serie B and financial difficulties. Those were days.  :razz:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Giolazio on July 17, 2016, 08:52:52 PM
I disagree, if Lotito loves this club, selling wouldn't be an option. Whose hands would it end up in? It could potentially destroy us. We don't know what is thru that door. Lotito is a cheap bastard but any of you would be cheaper if you could get a chance to taste the kind of cash he has. I think Lotito is an asshole but within reason. I also get it.

I would like to add, that anyone who was around in 2004, and not following their 'other' teams, would remember how desperate times were back then.

I always said to myself, if we can find a buyer who can restructure the debt and keep us in Serie A every season I will be over the moon. Anything else is a bonus. 12 years later we have won 2 Coppa Italia's, one beating riomma in the final, one Supercoppa and qualified for CL twice. I would say that is a pretty darn good bonus.

Our debt was restructured, our financial stability is excellent. We are competitive. It could be worse, it could be 2004 again.

There were days when arguably one of our greatest icons outburst's cast out one of most talented Lazio-made players before Nesta, led club right into Serie B and financial difficulties. Those were days.  :razz:

Of course, but my point with 2004 specifically is because of Lotito.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: lazioserbia on July 17, 2016, 09:10:32 PM
Having a president like Lotito is better than having someone like Cragnotti, you have a point of course...but just because Lotito isn't going to get us bankrupt isn't enough for me to like the guy. I want only the best for Lazio, and I'm not talking about titles or glory or world domination, I'm talking about day-to-day running of this club...I don't know whether he isn't cut out to be a good president or just isn't devoted enough, or whatever is the reason I just don't think he is the right guy for Lazio. I see him more as a bankar or a politician rather than a football expert.

Lotito may be OK, but I won't satisfy with anything less than the best when it comes to Lazio.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Giolazio on July 18, 2016, 12:01:03 AM
Having a president like Lotito is better than having someone like Cragnotti, you have a point of course...but just because Lotito isn't going to get us bankrupt isn't enough for me to like the guy. I want only the best for Lazio, and I'm not talking about titles or glory or world domination, I'm talking about day-to-day running of this club...I don't know whether he isn't cut out to be a good president or just isn't devoted enough, or whatever is the reason I just don't think he is the right guy for Lazio. I see him more as a bankar or a politician rather than a football expert.

Lotito may be OK, but I won't satisfy with anything less than the best when it comes to Lazio.

Oh yeah 100% agree. I must come across as a Lotito fanatic. I am not, but I always try and defend the defensible, especially when people demand crazy things from Lazio.

It could always have been a lot worse, and it almost was.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: lazioserbia on July 18, 2016, 01:44:00 AM
Having a president like Lotito is better than having someone like Cragnotti, you have a point of course...but just because Lotito isn't going to get us bankrupt isn't enough for me to like the guy. I want only the best for Lazio, and I'm not talking about titles or glory or world domination, I'm talking about day-to-day running of this club...I don't know whether he isn't cut out to be a good president or just isn't devoted enough, or whatever is the reason I just don't think he is the right guy for Lazio. I see him more as a bankar or a politician rather than a football expert.

Lotito may be OK, but I won't satisfy with anything less than the best when it comes to Lazio.

Oh yeah 100% agree. I must come across as a Lotito fanatic. I am not, but I always try and defend the defensible, especially when people demand crazy things from Lazio.

It could always have been a lot worse, and it almost was.

Nah, I know you aren't a Lotito fanatic, I read all the stuff here and memorise a lot of it. Don't think that I have a wrong picture about you or about anyone else for that matter...  :beer:

Defending the defensible? Of course, I wouldn't want to blame the innocent...I don't blame Lotare for everything though. Just for the things I consider them accountable for.

I know it could be worse, but it could be better also.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: inhocsignovinces on July 18, 2016, 06:26:10 AM
Is it too much to ask for a healthy medium? Why always the extremes at Lazio. Surely there must be someone that has the best of Cragnotti's qualities and the best of Lotito's qualities just coming down the line waiting to buy us.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on July 18, 2016, 08:16:45 AM
Is it too much to ask for a healthy medium? Why always the extremes at Lazio. Surely there must be someone that has the best of Cragnotti's qualities and the best of Lotito's qualities just coming down the line waiting to buy us.

Why not someone with the worst of Cragnotti's qualities and the worst of Lotito's qualities? Because 1927's President comes mighty close to fitting that description, although Lazio fans would probably trade Lotito for Pallotta in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: inhocsignovinces on July 19, 2016, 05:54:35 AM
Is it too much to ask for a healthy medium? Why always the extremes at Lazio. Surely there must be someone that has the best of Cragnotti's qualities and the best of Lotito's qualities just coming down the line waiting to buy us.

Why not someone with the worst of Cragnotti's qualities and the worst of Lotito's qualities? Because 1927's President comes mighty close to fitting that description, although Lazio fans would probably trade Lotito for Pallotta in a heartbeat.

I'd rather be a part of this circus then THAT circus any day.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Weninho on July 20, 2016, 02:25:55 AM
I would like to add, that anyone who was around in 2004, and not following their 'other' teams, would remember how desperate times were back then.

I always said to myself, if we can find a buyer who can restructure the debt and keep us in Serie A every season I will be over the moon. Anything else is a bonus. 12 years later we have won 2 Coppa Italia's, one beating riomma in the final, one Supercoppa and qualified for CL twice. I would say that is a pretty darn good bonus.

Our debt was restructured, our financial stability is excellent. We are competitive. It could be worse, it could be 2004 again.

I'll never forget that day. I was listening to Roman radio all night, forgetting all about school next day, and remember hearing the reactions when Lotito's deal with the tax authority was announced. It was incredible. I remember thinking the exact same things like you leading up to that day, and I've always said since that day I'll forever be grateful for what he did, no matter the circumstances.

I was grateful because he saved a lot of things I cherish. Lazio back then was really unique. Is Lazio the same today for you?

The history and pride will always be there, that's the one thing we'll always have. Our colors and origin. But Lazio back in 2004 was also about Non Mollare Mai. That expression has gone from being so very embraced to... well, basically dissappear. When was the last time you heard it, in all honesty? Lazio was much about "sola contro tutti" - now it's more like "tutti contro uno... o due". The rivalries with other teams seem to fade. The rivalry with 1927 on the other hand just seem to grow.

Lazio in 2004 had players like Peruzzi, Zauri, Oddo, Negro, Giannichedda, Gottardi, Emanuele Filippini, Antonio Filippini, Dabo, Di Canio, Muzzi, Inzaghi and Rocchi - all of them even today attached to Lazio in some way. In all honesty, which players in todays squad do you see care about Lazio the same way? Which will be remembered like those I listed? I would point at 4 players and say with certainty that they care on a deeper level: Cataldi, Onazi, Lulic and Radu. Perhaps Marchetti and Parolo.

Everything is just different than back in 2004. Is Claudio Lotito alone responsible for that? Certainly not. There are a numbers of factors, including the fans, but supporters have a different way of looking at their club. While I would agree Lazio in an ideal world should be bigger than all these discussions and supported for the sake of the history, I don't have any problems whatsoever understanding why the ethusiasm has faded. I think it's largely a case of fans not recognizing parts of their club anymore, no matter the reasons and no matter your opinion on Lotito. Sadly. But you have to ask whether we're guided in the right direction.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: lazioserbia on July 20, 2016, 03:28:19 AM
Weninho  :bravo:   :beer:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ArmLaziale on July 20, 2016, 09:18:33 AM
While I am highly nostalgic for players like Di Canio, Rocchi the Filippini brothers and THAT derby, part of me can't help but feel that it's us, the fans that can bring back that feeling and that atmosphere back to the club. Times change, environment changes but Lazio is more competitive than 2004 and it's the same Lazio from 1900, it's not Napoli soccer or something else. We introduced Olimpia, our mascot, had a beautiful atmosphere at the club after the Coppa derby and many other positive moments. The management of club can be ridiculous at times and it deserves a better one, but the fans on the other hand aren't much better.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Giolazio on July 20, 2016, 03:38:05 PM
I would like to add, that anyone who was around in 2004, and not following their 'other' teams, would remember how desperate times were back then.

I always said to myself, if we can find a buyer who can restructure the debt and keep us in Serie A every season I will be over the moon. Anything else is a bonus. 12 years later we have won 2 Coppa Italia's, one beating riomma in the final, one Supercoppa and qualified for CL twice. I would say that is a pretty darn good bonus.

Our debt was restructured, our financial stability is excellent. We are competitive. It could be worse, it could be 2004 again.

I'll never forget that day. I was listening to Roman radio all night, forgetting all about school next day, and remember hearing the reactions when Lotito's deal with the tax authority was announced. It was incredible. I remember thinking the exact same things like you leading up to that day, and I've always said since that day I'll forever be grateful for what he did, no matter the circumstances.

I was grateful because he saved a lot of things I cherish. Lazio back then was really unique. Is Lazio the same today for you?

The history and pride will always be there, that's the one thing we'll always have. Our colors and origin. But Lazio back in 2004 was also about Non Mollare Mai. That expression has gone from being so very embraced to... well, basically dissappear. When was the last time you heard it, in all honesty? Lazio was much about "sola contro tutti" - now it's more like "tutti contro uno... o due". The rivalries with other teams seem to fade. The rivalry with 1927 on the other hand just seem to grow.

Lazio in 2004 had players like Peruzzi, Zauri, Oddo, Negro, Giannichedda, Gottardi, Emanuele Filippini, Antonio Filippini, Dabo, Di Canio, Muzzi, Inzaghi and Rocchi - all of them even today attached to Lazio in some way. In all honesty, which players in todays squad do you see care about Lazio the same way? Which will be remembered like those I listed? I would point at 4 players and say with certainty that they care on a deeper level: Cataldi, Onazi, Lulic and Radu. Perhaps Marchetti and Parolo.

Everything is just different than back in 2004. Is Claudio Lotito alone responsible for that? Certainly not. There are a numbers of factors, including the fans, but supporters have a different way of looking at their club. While I would agree Lazio in an ideal world should be bigger than all these discussions and supported for the sake of the history, I don't have any problems whatsoever understanding why the ethusiasm has faded. I think it's largely a case of fans not recognizing parts of their club anymore, no matter the reasons and no matter your opinion on Lotito. Sadly. But you have to ask whether we're guided in the right direction.

It's a really good post Johan.

You're right, it isn't the same for me now. I turned 30, and I no longer think only about football, that could be personal. However, I think the game has changed so much in the last 12 years that it's not a problem refined to Lazio, it's pretty much modern football. Especially with crazy TV and old stadiums in italy which makes it even more noticeable there. Fans stay at home for many more various reasons now than then.

The 'sola contro tutti' aspect comes and goes and it usually coincides with periods of survival. It was here in 2004/05, it was here in 2009/10 with Firmani etc. It wasn't there when we won the Scudetto or the years following. I think it takes adversity for the fans to get truly passionate. When you win it becomes 'expected' and I think that's where fans have gone lately, especially since beating riomma in the Coppa and making CL last season.

It's easy for me to say, but the more Lotito does wrong, the more I attach myself to the colours, the more I believe in 'sola contro tutti'. I am of the opinion he cannot take my club and if I were in Rome I would be there every Sunday to show it. Like I said, it's easy for me to say sitting in Glasgow.

I think if all this happened when I was in my teens, I would be going crazy, I would want to win everything. But then again I didn't become a Lazio fan to be a winner either and I think that's what my age has reminded me of. I still love the history and the colours and 'non mollare mai' is a two way street. If the fans don't show it in the stadium, why would the players?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Evesto on July 20, 2016, 04:55:02 PM
I would like to add, that anyone who was around in 2004, and not following their 'other' teams, would remember how desperate times were back then.

I always said to myself, if we can find a buyer who can restructure the debt and keep us in Serie A every season I will be over the moon. Anything else is a bonus. 12 years later we have won 2 Coppa Italia's, one beating riomma in the final, one Supercoppa and qualified for CL twice. I would say that is a pretty darn good bonus.

Our debt was restructured, our financial stability is excellent. We are competitive. It could be worse, it could be 2004 again.

I'll never forget that day. I was listening to Roman radio all night, forgetting all about school next day, and remember hearing the reactions when Lotito's deal with the tax authority was announced. It was incredible. I remember thinking the exact same things like you leading up to that day, and I've always said since that day I'll forever be grateful for what he did, no matter the circumstances.

I was grateful because he saved a lot of things I cherish. Lazio back then was really unique. Is Lazio the same today for you?

The history and pride will always be there, that's the one thing we'll always have. Our colors and origin. But Lazio back in 2004 was also about Non Mollare Mai. That expression has gone from being so very embraced to... well, basically dissappear. When was the last time you heard it, in all honesty? Lazio was much about "sola contro tutti" - now it's more like "tutti contro uno... o due". The rivalries with other teams seem to fade. The rivalry with 1927 on the other hand just seem to grow.

Lazio in 2004 had players like Peruzzi, Zauri, Oddo, Negro, Giannichedda, Gottardi, Emanuele Filippini, Antonio Filippini, Dabo, Di Canio, Muzzi, Inzaghi and Rocchi - all of them even today attached to Lazio in some way. In all honesty, which players in todays squad do you see care about Lazio the same way? Which will be remembered like those I listed? I would point at 4 players and say with certainty that they care on a deeper level: Cataldi, Onazi, Lulic and Radu. Perhaps Marchetti and Parolo.

Everything is just different than back in 2004. Is Claudio Lotito alone responsible for that? Certainly not. There are a numbers of factors, including the fans, but supporters have a different way of looking at their club. While I would agree Lazio in an ideal world should be bigger than all these discussions and supported for the sake of the history, I don't have any problems whatsoever understanding why the ethusiasm has faded. I think it's largely a case of fans not recognizing parts of their club anymore, no matter the reasons and no matter your opinion on Lotito. Sadly. But you have to ask whether we're guided in the right direction.

It's a really good post Johan.

You're right, it isn't the same for me now. I turned 30, and I no longer think only about football, that could be personal. However, I think the game has changed so much in the last 12 years that it's not a problem refined to Lazio, it's pretty much modern football. Especially with crazy TV and old stadiums in italy which makes it even more noticeable there. Fans stay at home for many more various reasons now than then.

The 'sola contro tutti' aspect comes and goes and it usually coincides with periods of survival. It was here in 2004/05, it was here in 2009/10 with Firmani etc. It wasn't there when we won the Scudetto or the years following. I think it takes adversity for the fans to get truly passionate. When you win it becomes 'expected' and I think that's where fans have gone lately, especially since beating riomma in the Coppa and making CL last season.

It's easy for me to say, but the more Lotito does wrong, the more I attach myself to the colours, the more I believe in 'sola contro tutti'. I am of the opinion he cannot take my club and if I were in Rome I would be there every Sunday to show it. Like I said, it's easy for me to say sitting in Glasgow.

I think if all this happened when I was in my teens, I would be going crazy, I would want to win everything. But then again I didn't become a Lazio fan to be a winner either and I think that's what my age has reminded me of. I still love the history and the colours and 'non mollare mai' is a two way street. If the fans don't show it in the stadium, why would the players?

I applaud both you guys first posts, that's almost exactly how i feel about things.

And that last post Gio, that's life indeed.  I'm 35, have a family and a steady job for 16y.  Things always come first but everywhere in the small corners of free time (and also mostly during 'calmer' nightshifts) one finds a way to spend on la Lazio.

Rain or shine, good, bad or even worse if i lived in Rome i'd be there with at the stadium every game.
It's not about playing in the CL, competing for scudetti, having big names.  It's about being competitive, living up to the history and having the right attitude and spirit.  That's Lazio, even in Serie B it would be just thesame for me.  I'm glad with the prizes we got after Cragnotti, just sad not winning at least 1 last season, it was really the time to add another trophy having a shot at both Coppa and Supercoppa.  But displeased i'm not.  The whole fan and Lotito situation makes me sad of course but the club is still competitive and if this mercato finally would become something a place in Europe next season is certainly on the table.

EL is fine, i'd be perfectly happy being in the EL every season and maybe now and then take another shot at a CL qualification (it's good money).  Winning the EL is the dream for me, i had a feeling about that with Petko untill we undeservedly lost in the QF against Fenerbahce, at that time i was actually really disappointed and recently pondered about it again.

 :stendvl:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Giolazio on July 20, 2016, 05:11:11 PM
I would like to add, that anyone who was around in 2004, and not following their 'other' teams, would remember how desperate times were back then.

I always said to myself, if we can find a buyer who can restructure the debt and keep us in Serie A every season I will be over the moon. Anything else is a bonus. 12 years later we have won 2 Coppa Italia's, one beating riomma in the final, one Supercoppa and qualified for CL twice. I would say that is a pretty darn good bonus.

Our debt was restructured, our financial stability is excellent. We are competitive. It could be worse, it could be 2004 again.

I'll never forget that day. I was listening to Roman radio all night, forgetting all about school next day, and remember hearing the reactions when Lotito's deal with the tax authority was announced. It was incredible. I remember thinking the exact same things like you leading up to that day, and I've always said since that day I'll forever be grateful for what he did, no matter the circumstances.

I was grateful because he saved a lot of things I cherish. Lazio back then was really unique. Is Lazio the same today for you?

The history and pride will always be there, that's the one thing we'll always have. Our colors and origin. But Lazio back in 2004 was also about Non Mollare Mai. That expression has gone from being so very embraced to... well, basically dissappear. When was the last time you heard it, in all honesty? Lazio was much about "sola contro tutti" - now it's more like "tutti contro uno... o due". The rivalries with other teams seem to fade. The rivalry with 1927 on the other hand just seem to grow.

Lazio in 2004 had players like Peruzzi, Zauri, Oddo, Negro, Giannichedda, Gottardi, Emanuele Filippini, Antonio Filippini, Dabo, Di Canio, Muzzi, Inzaghi and Rocchi - all of them even today attached to Lazio in some way. In all honesty, which players in todays squad do you see care about Lazio the same way? Which will be remembered like those I listed? I would point at 4 players and say with certainty that they care on a deeper level: Cataldi, Onazi, Lulic and Radu. Perhaps Marchetti and Parolo.

Everything is just different than back in 2004. Is Claudio Lotito alone responsible for that? Certainly not. There are a numbers of factors, including the fans, but supporters have a different way of looking at their club. While I would agree Lazio in an ideal world should be bigger than all these discussions and supported for the sake of the history, I don't have any problems whatsoever understanding why the ethusiasm has faded. I think it's largely a case of fans not recognizing parts of their club anymore, no matter the reasons and no matter your opinion on Lotito. Sadly. But you have to ask whether we're guided in the right direction.

It's a really good post Johan.

You're right, it isn't the same for me now. I turned 30, and I no longer think only about football, that could be personal. However, I think the game has changed so much in the last 12 years that it's not a problem refined to Lazio, it's pretty much modern football. Especially with crazy TV and old stadiums in italy which makes it even more noticeable there. Fans stay at home for many more various reasons now than then.

The 'sola contro tutti' aspect comes and goes and it usually coincides with periods of survival. It was here in 2004/05, it was here in 2009/10 with Firmani etc. It wasn't there when we won the Scudetto or the years following. I think it takes adversity for the fans to get truly passionate. When you win it becomes 'expected' and I think that's where fans have gone lately, especially since beating riomma in the Coppa and making CL last season.

It's easy for me to say, but the more Lotito does wrong, the more I attach myself to the colours, the more I believe in 'sola contro tutti'. I am of the opinion he cannot take my club and if I were in Rome I would be there every Sunday to show it. Like I said, it's easy for me to say sitting in Glasgow.

I think if all this happened when I was in my teens, I would be going crazy, I would want to win everything. But then again I didn't become a Lazio fan to be a winner either and I think that's what my age has reminded me of. I still love the history and the colours and 'non mollare mai' is a two way street. If the fans don't show it in the stadium, why would the players?

I applaud both you guys first posts, that's almost exactly how i feel about things.

And that last post Gio, that's life indeed.  I'm 35, have a family and a steady job for 16y.  Things always come first but everywhere in the small corners of free time (and also mostly during 'calmer' nightshifts) one finds a way to spend on la Lazio.

Rain or shine, good, bad or even worse if i lived in Rome i'd be there with at the stadium every game.
It's not about playing in the CL, competing for scudetti, having big names.  It's about being competitive, living up to the history and having the right attitude and spirit.  That's Lazio, even in Serie B it would be just thesame for me.  I'm glad with the prizes we got after Cragnotti, just sad not winning at least 1 last season, it was really the time to add another trophy having a shot at both Coppa and Supercoppa.  But displeased i'm not.  The whole fan and Lotito situation makes me sad of course but the club is still competitive and if this mercato finally would become something a place in Europe next season is certainly on the table.

EL is fine, i'd be perfectly happy being in the EL every season and maybe now and then take another shot at a CL qualification (it's good money).  Winning the EL is the dream for me, i had a feeling about that with Petko untill we undeservedly lost in the QF against Fenerbahce, at that time i was actually really disappointed and recently pondered about it again.

 :stendvl:

 :bravo:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: lazioserbia on July 20, 2016, 05:21:10 PM
Please stop quoting novels  :beer: 
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Weninho on July 21, 2016, 01:39:08 AM
It's a really good post Johan.

Likewise mate. Evesto's as well. It's nice to hear your thoughts, and I feel the same in many ways.

One year ago I would have said the same about going to the stadium every Sunday. Geez, I've traveled to Rome many times just to be able to do that. But you know what? After attending Lazio-Juve last year I can't say it with 100 % frankness anymore. It was an atmosphere I don't want to experience again.

Now, I'm not very young anymore either so it could definately be a logical development, but can we really expect everyone to stay loyal to the colors and history in such an enviroment, no matter who's to blame? I would like to call myself a pretty active supporter. My only football team has and will always be Lazio, I've attended quite a lot of games and I spend a large part of my spare time following the team in different ways. But I hated it last time on Stadio Olimpico. I have no problems saying that, even if it mind sound spoiled.

Everyone are different, and while I in theory absolutely share your view and ideals that we should try to embrace the club even more when something like the Bielsa-saga happens, I understand why that's very hard to do. And I think it would be so much easier if only key figures within the club could understand, even in the smallest of ways, how I feel about my supportership. I just don't think they do, and that's where I think many of the misunderstandings and sometimes horrible communication beetwen fans and management are born.

Bottom line, all supporters want to feel part of a project. All supporters want to be heard and feel that their voices are listened to. That's how it works in pretty much every club, despite the modernization. And while I think there has been some steps in the right direction in recent years - I still get the impression that he club doesn't genuinly listen to its fans. There can be campaigns and flirts, but at the end of the day it just doesn't feel like a good conversation. That's the one thing I genuinly believe needs to change in order to make progress. And that's not something I come up with today, it's something I've been saying constansly for the last years. I think the club needs to take an honest step toward fixing this situation, because it might have gotten to a point where I think the supporters could be to divided to do it themself. My opinion is that the club needs to take that step, not the supporters, and perhaps that's where we differ.

I respect the opinion that fans need to put things aside and take that step. I would love for it to happen, it would be something like the ultimate decleration of love toward SS Lazio, but I don't expect it from anyone. At least not from anyone who doesn't casually blame every single thing on Lotito and Tare just because they would like trophies and big signings. I've never been someone to question the local fans and their actions (unless it's about downright bad behaviour). Not saying it shouldn't be possible, just that I've never done it myself. And if they protest this heavily for something they believe in - I respect that. I might not agree with the method, but I do think the club should worry about getting their supporters back. I'm sure they do, but I'm far from sure they're guiding the situation toward a solution right now. Frustrating part is that I think they can fix it, by some adjustments and a little bit of going back the some basics. Just by re-evaluating their view of the main supporter a little bit. It's easy for me to say, I know, but that's what I believe.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: lazioserbia on July 21, 2016, 03:06:04 AM
Once again a great post. It's a pleasure reading not only your posts, I see a lot of members here that really know football inside and out and I admire that. Keep it up!
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Rizmo on July 21, 2016, 10:15:47 AM
What happened at Lazio-Juve Johan? What have I missed?


Can't agree more with recent posts btw. I will admit that it's not the same feeling anymore to follow la Lazio. Maybe you grow older and things change, I don't know and I can't point to any exact thing which has changed. Maybe it's many different things...
A few times I have thought, and got downhearted by it, that I frankly don't care as much any longer. That the passion and grinta has faded and I will never experience those strong feelings again. I almost have accepted it at times. But then I have tried to find proof that my supportership has faded and I have failed every time. I still spend just as much of my spare time browsing Lazio pages and this damn forum  :fingerup:. I have been in argument with my girlfriend many times about watching Lazio games on Sundays 3PM. With two kids and often Sundays as the only day we all are free she thinks it's idiotic to have to plan the day so we have to be home for 3PM, and I completely understand her but how much I try not to care, I still have to be home to watch a meaningless away game to Frosinone. It's even worse when we're in Europe and have not one, but two games a week. Mamma mia. The arguments I have to endure because I have another love in my life. I even promised her that I wouldn't watch the last games of the season after the the last derby, but then Inzaghi got appointed and I "had to" see the matches anyway.

What I think I'm trying to say is that I haven't lost any passion or love for la Lazio, I just think it's sad and tiresome to see this split in my club, not just between fans and management but between fans as well.

It's tiresome to read over and over that this fat phuck and his blonde albino should do this, or take their shit and go there, or kill themself. I would also love to see some clear ideas, some kind of project and a hint of ambition. As Johan say, some goddamn communication. The only time we hear anything from the management, it ends with being a blunt lie. Or a broken promise. Of course fans will get upset. Lotitio should start over and try to be honest. Just give us the truth, we don't want to be told about 3 incoming champions the next transfer window. We don't want to hear that the goal is the Scudetto in 3-5 years. We just want some truth.  I understand that he can't give away too much about budget and transfers as that would spoil negotiation leverage but tell us what type of player/s we want/need, what is the prioritees, where do we go from here etc. Sometimes it just feels that Lotito is afraid to say how things stand and instead tell us "what we want to hear". But we are la Lazio, we don't (or shouldn't) expect big signings and CL football, we (or atleat I) just want our club to be healthy and I know for sure that the fans will take care of the rest and continue to make this the most beautiful club in the world.

 :offlag:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: SSL PADRONI DI ROMA on July 21, 2016, 11:27:52 AM
My opinion is that the club needs to take that step, not the supporters, and perhaps that's where we differ.

Agreed. If I'd be the owner of a business (which, in the end, SS Lazio is) where a huge group of customers is clearly very upset, frustrated and angry, I'd worry. I'd question things, I'd ask myself: what on earth am I doing wrong. I'd look to myself, I'd meet up with all stakeholders and ask them: how do we resolve this. How do we make these people happy again. Let's listen to their grievances, let's hear them out. Let's find a middle way.

For some reason a lot of people seem to expect the fans (and especially the Curva Nord) to make amends and to just get on with things and buy season tickets and that. One, it is their decision. If they do not wish to go to the stadium, it is entirely up to them. Apparently there are a lot (a lot!) of people out there who are not happy. And two, name me one business where customers, who are staying away, angry and in discontent, are expected to come back to the business despite a complete lack of communication or gesture towards them.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Dakiller961 on July 21, 2016, 12:22:41 PM
What if Lotito actually succeeds to get the 1915 Scudetto. will he become a Fan favourite ?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on July 21, 2016, 12:53:25 PM
What if Lotito actually succeeds to get the 1915 Scudetto. will he become a Fan favourite ?

It has very little to do with Lotito. It is Polisportiva Lazio that have got behind this. Ok, you could argue Lotito's influence at the FIGC might have helped matters, but it's a bit of a stretch.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: blue-white on July 21, 2016, 01:05:37 PM
In many parts I agree about la curva and the fans.

But....why should Lotito should think about solutions to make them happy again, if you hear every home game fa**ists chants or monkey chants and more?...

Don't get me wrong....I want to see back a full curva with their flags and banners and all their support, but I want to see and hear only their support, and not the fa**ist stuff.

I can understand Lotito in some way....why working together with them when you only have to pay for them....
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: drazvan on July 21, 2016, 01:15:28 PM
In many parts I agree about la curva and the fans.

But....why should Lotito should think about solutions to make them happy again, if you hear every home game fa**ists chants or monkey chants and more?...

Don't get me wrong....I want to see back a full curva with their flags and banners and all their support, but I want to see and hear only their support, and not the fa**ist stuff.

I can understand Lotito in some way....why working together with them when you only have to pay for them....

I agree with this. If they are gonna grow up and accept their status of Lazio fans, not only Curva Nord fans - then they are welcome back. If they continue asking for super privileges because they think of themselves as superfans with more rights than others and if they continue behaving like idiots when given the chance - then better stay home. There are at least 15-20k supporters that come every week at the stadium to support Lazio.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: birulangit on July 21, 2016, 03:39:51 PM
My opinion is that the club needs to take that step, not the supporters, and perhaps that's where we differ.

Agreed. If I'd be the owner of a business (which, in the end, SS Lazio is) where a huge group of customers is clearly very upset, frustrated and angry, I'd worry. I'd question things, I'd ask myself: what on earth am I doing wrong. I'd look to myself, I'd meet up with all stakeholders and ask them: how do we resolve this. How do we make these people happy again. Let's listen to their grievances, let's hear them out. Let's find a middle way.

For some reason a lot of people seem to expect the fans (and especially the Curva Nord) to make amends and to just get on with things and buy season tickets and that. One, it is their decision. If they do not wish to go to the stadium, it is entirely up to them. Apparently there are a lot (a lot!) of people out there who are not happy. And two, name me one business where customers, who are staying away, angry and in discontent, are expected to come back to the business despite a complete lack of communication or gesture towards them.

i dunno how lotito thinks..
but does he need to keep that 'business' alive? or does he need to even sell to those angry customers?
can he just do a parma?? make the business bad and just close the 'business'?
would he even lose anything??
no.. the 'customers' lose the most.

Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Giolazio on July 21, 2016, 03:54:51 PM
You know, reading Johan's response and then Rizmo and then Markus, it's just shows how complicated the situation is. You can constantly see it from both sides, which is why these types of debates are so refreshing rather than f*ck Lotare etc.

The club's communication is foremost the main problem, agree 100%. Even Tare 2 weeks ago said two players had signed...I choose to take words like that with a pinch of salt, while others take it more seriously and get very angry when it doesn't come to fruition, which is understandable, it shouldn't be said if it's not going to happen.

Part of me feels sorry for Lotito this summer. We have been dying for a project for so long, a serious manager etc. and we nearly had it. Lotito called appointing Bielsa 'a gift to the Lazio fans'. It fell through for reasons not confirmed (but most likely the Argentina job) and while you have to criticise Lotito for pursuing it in the first place, you can see why he did.

We also have some very good players that he brought to the club, like Anderson, Keita, Milinkovic-Savic, De Vrij etc so his vision isn't too bad. If only he could just fill the gaps better rather than signing the obligatory 500k defender or free striker.

He restructured 300mil of debt, he has done some nice things like get Olimpia and bring back the eagle jersey. he brought the players to Formello after the Napoli game and allowed the fans in to celebrate - he didn't have to do that. We also did nice fan events like Klose day - things that never happened under Cragnotti. If you thought the way Mauri was treated was bad you should see Signori between 1996 and 1998.

At the same time, he opens his mouth when he shouldn't, he insults people, he is obtuse. He is a nightmare to negotiate with and often looks for a quick solution rather than long term (again I can see his reasoning since fans can be too inpatient).

But then I read Markus' post again and I am on the fence.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Weninho on July 26, 2016, 03:34:58 AM
Very good posts in here. Haven't got any time lately to follow regularly but nice to see this kind of discussion for a change, will try to evolve my thoughts further as soon as a I get some f*cking spare time  :supsmile:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Lazio_ade on July 26, 2016, 05:45:22 PM
In many parts I agree about la curva and the fans.

But....why should Lotito should think about solutions to make them happy again, if you hear every home game fa**ists chants or monkey chants and more?...

Don't get me wrong....I want to see back a full curva with their flags and banners and all their support, but I want to see and hear only their support, and not the fa**ist stuff.

I can understand Lotito in some way....why working together with them when you only have to pay for them....

I agree with this. If they are gonna grow up and accept their status of Lazio fans, not only Curva Nord fans - then they are welcome back.

How very generous of you  :rolley:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on July 27, 2016, 10:32:07 AM
Don't know where to put this (we need more threads for discussions such as these, just not sure what to name them or where to put them), but there's a rumour Lotito is about to ditch Stefano De Martino after a bust-up and appoint Arturo Diaconale (Italian journalist, on the board of directors at RAI) as head of communications.

Lotito has been, frankly, too loyal to Stefano De Martino. Our communication is obviously horrendous, this would arguably be a greater move than Peruzzi as technical director.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Nass on July 27, 2016, 10:55:42 AM
Don't know where to put this (we need more threads for discussions such as these, just not sure what to name them or where to put them), but there's a rumour Lotito is about to ditch Stefano De Martino after a bust-up and appoint Arturo Diaconale (Italian journalist, on the board of directors at RAI) as head of communications.

Lotito has been, frankly, too loyal to Stefano De Martino. Our communication is obviously horrendous, this would arguably be a greater move than Peruzzi as technical director.

This is huge! Is it official yet as has we signed him? I love that Lotito are taking actions from within this summer addressing issues who were like fungus from inside. With signings like these to muscle up the administration of La Lazio is as much important as players for the pitch.

Great news indeed.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on July 27, 2016, 10:57:58 AM
This is huge! Is it official yet as has we signed him?

It's not official, but Lalaziosiamonoi 'exclusively' claim Lotito will get rid of De Martino and they name Arturo Diaconale as the likely replacement. De Martino is contracted until 2018 so it might not be as easy as just kicking him out, but they claim from August, someone else will be in charge. Let's see.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Giolazio on July 27, 2016, 11:50:29 AM
It's about time we shake up the management and technical areas of the societa'. It will go a long way to improving our reputation, our ability to do business across Italy and Europe and will better discipline the squad.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: lazioserbia on July 27, 2016, 01:29:14 PM
The only guy who always annoyed me is De Martino, don't know why, he just looks irritating to me.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on July 27, 2016, 01:35:23 PM
The only guy who always annoyed me is De Martino, don't know why, he just looks irritating to me.

Might be something to do with the fact that he is annoying and irritating  :razz:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: lazioserbia on July 27, 2016, 01:40:23 PM
The only guy who always annoyed me is De Martino, don't know why, he just looks irritating to me.

Might be something to do with the fact that he is annoying and irritating  :razz:

Yeah but I don't know why, he just is  :bravo:  when I see him moving his hand through his hair like Antonio Banderas I get chills  :ohnoo:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Sile on July 27, 2016, 02:29:34 PM
The only guy who always annoyed me is De Martino, don't know why, he just looks irritating to me.

Might be something to do with the fact that he is annoying and irritating  :razz:

Yeah but I don't know why, he just is  :bravo:  when I see him moving his hand through his hair like Antonio Banderas I get chills  :ohnoo:

No homo
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: lazioserbia on July 27, 2016, 02:38:45 PM
What do you mean?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Sile on July 27, 2016, 02:43:57 PM
I'm not the one getting chills seeing men run fingers through their hair...
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ArmLaziale on July 27, 2016, 02:56:15 PM
Huehue, wrong choice of words, I laughed, but was pretty sure that's not what he meant  :razz:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: lazioserbia on July 27, 2016, 03:03:02 PM
Hahahahaha  :bravo:

Not the same chills I get when I see Scarlet Johansson though  :razz: 

De Martino looks like a rat lawyer...
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Weninho on July 27, 2016, 06:02:23 PM
Regarding Peruzzi and voices about a change in the PR-department - this is exactly what I hoped the club would try to do. But it's to early to celebrate. As much as I love the initiative getting Peruzzi on board and genuinly believe he has enough integrity and personality to be independent, we have to remember Tare had a similar role before being promoted DS and it was heavily criticised by some players (Cribari, Di Canio etc). It's extremely important Peruzzi is independent in this role, not answering to people above him.

If the reports are true De Martino will continue to work with the official channels but gets a new co-worker for the PR-department, that would be great. There are so much to be done in that department in my opinion and it's not a one person job. If we hire someone new, I would simply be very pleased. 

In many parts I agree about la curva and the fans.

But....why should Lotito should think about solutions to make them happy again, if you hear every home game fa**ists chants or monkey chants and more?...

Don't get me wrong....I want to see back a full curva with their flags and banners and all their support, but I want to see and hear only their support, and not the fa**ist stuff.

I can understand Lotito in some way....why working together with them when you only have to pay for them....

Naturally I'm ashamed every time I hear that stuff as well and wish it would just go away. It's a problem, no point denying that, but does that justify giving up on all supporters who are protesting? Sounds like an easy excuse and a generelization. But in theory I agree with you and Gio that it's a two way street to fix this situation, can't be solved by the club alone even if I think they need to take the first steps.

The protest? It's a protest of all Laziali who are dissappointed, and it's their protest. It's their choice. Haven't said much about it and I don't really have anything to add at this point either.

Part of me feels sorry for Lotito this summer. We have been dying for a project for so long, a serious manager etc. and we nearly had it. Lotito called appointing Bielsa 'a gift to the Lazio fans'. It fell through for reasons not confirmed (but most likely the Argentina job) and while you have to criticise Lotito for pursuing it in the first place, you can see why he did.

I read your entire post and I definately understand where you're coming from, but this is the part I can't agree with. Bielsa might be a good manager, but to give up everything and sign him for one year - knowing it would take something extra to get him re-signed - how is that a project? Bielsa in a piazza like Rome. If you look for chaos and quick results yes, if you look for long term security and a serious project no.

I can see why he did it, yes, because it would clearly be a dream name for the same supporters arguing we should sign 20 mil players and finish top-3 every year, but the only thing I want to see in place is a project. I thought they were serious with the Pioli-thing when Tare said our last mercato was mainly for the future, but then they proved by sacking him there were no plan behind it after all. I know you approved of the sacking and many others as well, and perhaps they were forced, but can you honestly sit down next to a non Laziale and explain what kind of club Lazio is today and what our future plan is?

I can't, but I'm excited by the rumors circulating about a change in the manegement right now.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Weninho on July 27, 2016, 06:03:39 PM
Can't agree more with recent posts btw. I will admit that it's not the same feeling anymore to follow la Lazio. Maybe you grow older and things change, I don't know and I can't point to any exact thing which has changed. Maybe it's many different things...
A few times I have thought, and got downhearted by it, that I frankly don't care as much any longer. That the passion and grinta has faded and I will never experience those strong feelings again. I almost have accepted it at times. But then I have tried to find proof that my supportership has faded and I have failed every time. I still spend just as much of my spare time browsing Lazio pages and this damn forum  :fingerup:. I have been in argument with my girlfriend many times about watching Lazio games on Sundays 3PM. With two kids and often Sundays as the only day we all are free she thinks it's idiotic to have to plan the day so we have to be home for 3PM, and I completely understand her but how much I try not to care, I still have to be home to watch a meaningless away game to Frosinone. It's even worse when we're in Europe and have not one, but two games a week. Mamma mia. The arguments I have to endure because I have another love in my life. I even promised her that I wouldn't watch the last games of the season after the the last derby, but then Inzaghi got appointed and I "had to" see the matches anyway.

What I think I'm trying to say is that I haven't lost any passion or love for la Lazio, I just think it's sad and tiresome to see this split in my club, not just between fans and management but between fans as well.

Excellent post :offlag:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Giolazio on July 27, 2016, 08:02:36 PM
Sorry Johan, when I talk about Bielsa and a project, I was referring to Lotito's interview when he was stating what he wanted to give Bielsa initially - that being a long contract and the players he wanted. Of course it became a farce and Bielsa rejected the long contract etc.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on July 28, 2016, 09:34:13 AM
Diaconale has admitted to receiving a proposal from Lotito, and said he would like to repair the relationship between the club and fans.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ArmLaziale on July 28, 2016, 09:53:30 AM
Diaconale has admitted to receiving a proposal from Lotito, and said he would like to repair the relationship between the club and fans.

I think this is what the club needs above all. It's going be an extreme task to pull off at this point, but it's about time to address this issue.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on July 28, 2016, 09:59:05 AM
Diaconale has admitted to receiving a proposal from Lotito, and said he would like to repair the relationship between the club and fans.

I think this is what the club needs above all. It's going be an extreme task to pull off at this point, but it's about time to address this issue.

If Peruzzi and Diaconale are steps towards mending the relationship, then the protesters need to take steps of their own to bridge the gap between club and fans.

I hope I'm wrong in thinking the relationship between Lotito and fans can only be repaired if Lazio reach Cragnotti levels of success.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ArmLaziale on July 28, 2016, 10:06:13 AM
This is what I thought, the fan protests were catalysts for sure. If the new guys can show improvement, the fans should show their true colours, question of time I guess.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: dinhochester on July 28, 2016, 10:21:46 AM
Who is Diaconale?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on July 28, 2016, 10:34:57 AM
Who is Diaconale?

He is an Italian journalist who is on the board of directors at RAI (TV broadcaster in Italy) and he's also a political figure. Looks set to come to Lazio and take over communications from Stefano De Martino, who will be allowed to focus on LazioStyle.

I don't know much about Diaconale, but I can say our club will be in a much healthier state if De Martino has less power.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: dinhochester on July 28, 2016, 10:56:56 AM
but I can say our club will be in a much healthier state if De Martino has less power.
Why?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on July 28, 2016, 11:08:43 AM
Why?

Communication under De Martino has been incredibly poor. It might not be his fault, but under him, the approach the club have taken has been appalling.

There are three incidents which have reportedly caused the split between Lotito and De Martino.

1) Lotito didn't agree with Stefano De Martino's handling of the post-Bielsa press conference.

2) Lotito rejected Stefano De Martino's suggestion to mend the relationship with the fans who conducted the peaceful protest a fortnight ago. Lotito felt these protesters were 'professionals', out to cause trouble.

3) Lotito allegedly insulted Stefano De Martino, which reportedly let to a near physical altercation between the two.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: lazioserbia on July 28, 2016, 12:12:24 PM
3) Lotito allegedly insulted Stefano De Martino, which reportedly let to a near physical altercation between the two.

 :bravo:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 28, 2016, 02:37:47 PM
http://www.sslazio.it/images/documents/investors/Comunicato_CalendarioEventiSocietari2016-2017.pdf (http://www.sslazio.it/images/documents/investors/Comunicato_CalendarioEventiSocietari2016-2017.pdf)

Guess that we won't know our financial state until end of September.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Evesto on July 28, 2016, 06:22:48 PM
This is huge! Is it official yet as has we signed him?

It's not official, but Lalaziosiamonoi 'exclusively' claim Lotito will get rid of De Martino and they name Arturo Diaconale as the likely replacement. De Martino is contracted until 2018 so it might not be as easy as just kicking him out, but they claim from August, someone else will be in charge. Let's see.

That guy has been a disaster, if communication is his job then Lotito is a very accepting boss.
The sooner he's gone the better and now is the time with Peruzzi and all, a whole new look .....  :twinkle:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on July 28, 2016, 06:29:26 PM
Regarding Lotito and De Martino - Lotito does not have the authority to remove De Martino from 'LazioStyle' - our media could therefore be controlled by someone who may have a chip on his shoulder.

That could become very interesting. It's a problem.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Evesto on July 30, 2016, 07:05:53 AM
Rumour that Dacionale would start on monday, taking De Martino's job.
As of now only posted on cittaceleste (unreliable) but still, would't be surprising now right.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on July 30, 2016, 10:43:31 AM
Rumour that Dacionale would start on monday, taking De Martino's job.
As of now only posted on cittaceleste (unreliable) but still, would't be surprising now right.

Being posted in more places now. Also being reported in Il Messaggero that Lotito is now searching for a general manager.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Rizmo on July 30, 2016, 10:57:48 AM
What's happening? Finally we can look forward to maybe, just maybe, be run like a normal football club.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Evesto on July 31, 2016, 07:17:32 AM
Rumour that Dacionale would start on monday, taking De Martino's job.
As of now only posted on cittaceleste (unreliable) but still, would't be surprising now right.

Being posted in more places now. Also being reported in Il Messaggero that Lotito is now searching for a general manager.

Lazialita has a report that the deal is done, Dacionale will be presented on monday.
The time of the better informed laziale is coming.  :twinkle:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Hadi Van Der Vaart on July 31, 2016, 03:16:11 PM
Also being reported in Il Messaggero that Lotito is now searching for a general manager.

I always think Manzini is our manager, if we still have nobody in that position, then what is the job of general manager in football club?

It's great to know Lotito finally puts some former players in the management, I hope he continues to so. Rocchi and Oddo deserve to be called, but too bad we have already Simone so maybe Oddo can come in the future. My biggest dream is Klose, if he still has no club when the season begin, Lotito should contact him!
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on July 31, 2016, 03:17:55 PM
Also being reported in Il Messaggero that Lotito is now searching for a general manager.

I always think Manzini is our manager, if we still have nobody in that position, then what is the job of general manager in football club?

Manzini is the team manager, although he has help nowadays from Stefan Derkum. They both assist the squad.

The general manager, from what I understand, would be another communication type position - someone to stick in front of the TV cameras.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on August 01, 2016, 02:05:39 PM
http://www.football-italia.net/88623/lotito-lazio-must-rediscover-pride (http://www.football-italia.net/88623/lotito-lazio-must-rediscover-pride)

Lots of words..as always.

At this point I feel action speaks a lot louder than words. Come out of the mercato looking like a president with ambitions and then you will see the fans being positive again.

I won't blame the management for all this Bielsa bullshit, in fact I think we dodged a bullet here. But as for building a competitive team there's a lot more work to be done and they need to deliver this time.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: drazvan on August 01, 2016, 02:08:29 PM
[url]http://www.football-italia.net/88623/lotito-lazio-must-rediscover-pride[/url] ([url]http://www.football-italia.net/88623/lotito-lazio-must-rediscover-pride[/url])

Lots of words..as always.

At this point I feel action speaks a lot louder than words. Come out of the mercato looking like a president with ambitions and then you will see the fans being positive again.

I won't blame the management for all this Bielsa bullshit, in fact I think we dodged a bullet here. But as for building a competitive team there's a lot more work to be done and they need to deliver this time.


I think he's doing a good job so far. I mean if you would tell me that at this point we would have Lukaku, Immobile and Wallace and we would be negotiating for Caio and Thauvin with basically only Candreva on his way out, I would have said - well done. So far at least.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Silindeee on August 01, 2016, 02:37:06 PM
I think Lotito is right saying that in his time as president , journalists and fans are always highlighting the negative facts and not the good things he has done for the club. Its because people are stuck in their minds that lazio is only the cragnioti era , well its not and it wont be In the near future.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: LazialefromGhent on August 01, 2016, 03:14:33 PM
“The interest of the club is the supreme interest, it comes before mine, before that of the team, the footballers and the fans. If there is no club, the other components don't exist either.

“We made some superhuman efforts to save our identity, while other clubs were born out of bankruptcy. We are still the ones that were born in 1900. These innovations are necessary for the development of the club.”

 :laziostend: :laziostend: :laziostend: :laziostend: :laziostend: :laziostend:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Rizmo on August 01, 2016, 08:27:57 PM
A lot of positive and nice words from the president, it was a strong 'speech' but the man has a history with much talk and less action.

I can agree in "starting from scratch", that everyone should pull in the same direction. It's a good first step in reshuffeling the hierachy in the club and bringing in some new blood. Let's just wait if there'll actually be some changes and a new beginning...I have my doubts.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on August 01, 2016, 08:41:05 PM
Lotito has a difficult time with the media - you can visibly see in interviews that he doesn't like journalists. But it goes beyond that, he doesn't pander to them either. Journalists like their perks, and Lotito doesn't like handing them out.

Diaconate is positive. De Martino just wasn't qualified, he made everything about him. But unless Lotito is willing to change approach, difficult to see how we can repair our relationship with the media.

So I simply hope the communication between club and fans improve. That would be something at least.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: phantomm1976 on August 02, 2016, 01:00:19 AM
 We desrve some positive atmosphere.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Giolazio on August 04, 2016, 12:08:16 PM
I'd like to talk about Lotito and the players/staff visiting the 11 fans last night. Not sure if it being discussed elsewhere.

I thought it was a really good move, they could have easily done nothing to not draw attention to the fact that only 11 were sold that first night, but they chose to publicise it and put a positive spin on it.

If this is the first step in the new Lazio communications then I am very happy and hopeful for things going forward.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Stefano6 on August 04, 2016, 12:51:38 PM
The videos they posted were really good too,  "Hi this is Marco Parolo with Ciro Immobile, were here to deliver a package..  can we come up?"

And another guy who was like a kid in a toy shop in front of Marchetti, could hardly believe his eyes
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on August 04, 2016, 01:07:37 PM
We were talking about it in here: http://forum.lazioland.com/index.php/topic,1457.860.html (http://forum.lazioland.com/index.php/topic,1457.860.html)

Love the video with "yeah this is Marco Parolo and I'm with Ciro Immobile"..my reaction would be like WTF who is pulling a joke on me.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: lazioserbia on August 04, 2016, 01:31:57 PM
I'd like to talk about Lotito and the players/staff visiting the 11 fans last night. Not sure if it being discussed elsewhere.

I thought it was a really good move, they could have easily done nothing to not draw attention to the fact that only 11 were sold that first night, but they chose to publicise it and put a positive spin on it.

If this is the first step in the new Lazio communications then I am very happy and hopeful for things going forward.

I agree, it's nice to see Lotito rewarding loyalty...one of the sporting portals here in Serbia is making a mockery out of it but since it seems they don't know shit about the current situation at the club I'm not taking it hard. They compared Lazio with Newcastle who sold 35000 season tickets on day one. A very stupid comparison in my opinion.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: MilanChe on August 04, 2016, 10:15:23 PM
Mozzart?  :supsmile: I saw that, almost anything they write is bs, they even called it a circus  :sciarpa05:

I also think it was great idea, maybe we could do this every year.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: lazioserbia on August 05, 2016, 01:07:48 AM
Mozzart?  :supsmile: I saw that, almost anything they write is bs, they even called it a circus  :sciarpa05:

I also think it was great idea, maybe we could do this every year.

Yeah, when the transfer season starts they always write ton of shit, it's becoming annoying. But they had a really nice article about Re Cecconi and that whole crazy generation, it's called Zivot i smrt plavog andjela, you should read it, trust me.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Danish-Laziofan on August 05, 2016, 08:59:09 AM
I'd like to talk about Lotito and the players/staff visiting the 11 fans last night. Not sure if it being discussed elsewhere.

I thought it was a really good move, they could have easily done nothing to not draw attention to the fact that only 11 were sold that first night, but they chose to publicise it and put a positive spin on it.

If this is the first step in the new Lazio communications then I am very happy and hopeful for things going forward.

I think it was a genius move - big applause from me.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: mikitsi on August 05, 2016, 09:05:44 AM
Lotito has made some good moves lately. You can argue is he few years late, but still better late than never.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on August 05, 2016, 10:06:25 AM
There was an interesting article today about the Lazio brand and how Lotito has failed to grow on our brand in recent years.

They mention that our brand is being hurt by constantly playing these shitty teams in preseason while our opponents travel to the US or Asia to play Barcelona, Man Utd, Real Madrid etc etc..

I have a pretty strong opinion about this matter which is that we're wasting our time in these summer camps instead of testing ourselves against bigger opponents. There's money involved with playing in those big tournaments..actually quite alot and our brand could easily get bigger if the club just had more ambitions

No one else feels this way? I don't get why we play teams like Spal, Auronzo, that Brazil team etc etc and meanwhile other teams are facing much stronger opponents in preseason..
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Stefano6 on August 05, 2016, 10:28:16 AM
I half agree, I think we need to start with the small teams, partly because the ritiro in Auronzo is simply a fitness excercise, the games are unimportant, its really just to get some rythm back.

But, we do need to then go on a proper pre-season tour to play some real teams. To be fair we did that last season when we had a few games in Germany.

Lazio as a team is still well recognised in world football and I dont think we would have a problem finding one of these mini tournaments to be involved in that some of the other big teams do. Juve were in Australia, Inter in America, etc.
I get were not as rich, but itd be easy to do one in Spain, France, Germany, UK, etc.

Theres the concern that getting beat by these teams could demoralise the players for the start of the season, which I guess is one reason behind playing the small teams, but IMO its false confidence doing it that way, you go into the season thinking youre on form because you won 6-0 all preseason, but then you get a shock when you come up against a team who perhaps lost all pre-season but are therefore prepared better and you end up losing the first few league games, where it matters.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: lazioserbia on August 05, 2016, 10:39:35 AM
The whole idea of playing like a bunch of clowns for some Americans or Asians is not something I agree with. And for what, their money? Inter and Milan always go to these friendly tournaments, just a week ago Milan lost to Liverpool 4 0 and Inter lost to Bayern 4 1...they are humiliating themselves for money.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on August 05, 2016, 11:35:54 AM
Those pre-season tours in foreign countries don't generate anywhere near as much money as people think. I mean, how do teams make money going there? Once we start trying to answer that question, I think most of us will be saying 'wait, how do teams make money by going there?'

Napoli and Fiorentina didn't go on tours in Asia or the US, at least to the best of my knowledge. Are they struggling to develop their brand?

I really don't think there's much money in it for us. How would Lazio recuperate the expenditure of going out to these places?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: gibson_lp2 on August 05, 2016, 11:54:06 AM
You need to remember Australians are not idiots. Juve didn't get big crowds at all here due to the fact they brought out their reserves. Aussies will sell out a stadium for a good game, but not for b grade pre season friendlies.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: lazioserbia on August 05, 2016, 12:00:10 PM
I'd like to talk about Lotito and the players/staff visiting the 11 fans last night. Not sure if it being discussed elsewhere.

I thought it was a really good move, they could have easily done nothing to not draw attention to the fact that only 11 were sold that first night, but they chose to publicise it and put a positive spin on it.

If this is the first step in the new Lazio communications then I am very happy and hopeful for things going forward.

Do you think that this idea maybe came from Peruzzi or Diaconale?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on August 05, 2016, 12:03:34 PM
Those pre-season tours in foreign countries don't generate anywhere near as much money as people think. I mean, how do teams make money going there? Once we start trying to answer that question, I think most of us will be saying 'wait, how do teams make money by going there?'

Napoli and Fiorentina didn't go on tours in Asia or the US, at least to the best of my knowledge. Are they struggling to develop their brand?

I really don't think there's much money in it for us. How would Lazio recuperate the expenditure of going out to these places?

Some clubs are bagging aprox 20 mill dollars from participating in the preseason tournaments in the US. We might get less than say Man Utd and Real Madrid, but even half of that is gigantic for a club like ours...

could also turn it around and say the big clubs probably know more about how to generate income. It's not just about participation money but also growing your brand on other continents. We have a huge following in Asia, just see the super cup final when we played Juventus. But we aren't doing anything to build on it.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on August 05, 2016, 12:22:04 PM
Some clubs are bagging aprox 20 mill dollars from participating in the preseason tournaments in the US. We might get less than say Man Utd and Real Madrid, but even half of that is gigantic for a club like ours...

These clubs generate 7-8 times more income than us. We wouldn't get half that, it's a pipe dream.

This is only English-speaking international Lazio forum. Take a look at how many people are registered and active. How do Lazio make money in Asia or the US?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Crni Đorđe on August 05, 2016, 01:24:39 PM
Lazio wouldn't even be called up for Mickey Mouse tournaments. Small fanbase.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Lazio_ade on August 05, 2016, 04:03:28 PM
I'd like to talk about Lotito and the players/staff visiting the 11 fans last night. Not sure if it being discussed elsewhere.

I thought it was a really good move, they could have easily done nothing to not draw attention to the fact that only 11 were sold that first night, but they chose to publicise it and put a positive spin on it.

If this is the first step in the new Lazio communications then I am very happy and hopeful for things going forward.

Personally I thought it was embarrassing. It's the thousands who didn't buy tickets who need to be engaged with, not the 11 who did.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Giolazio on August 05, 2016, 04:19:12 PM
I'd like to talk about Lotito and the players/staff visiting the 11 fans last night. Not sure if it being discussed elsewhere.

I thought it was a really good move, they could have easily done nothing to not draw attention to the fact that only 11 were sold that first night, but they chose to publicise it and put a positive spin on it.

If this is the first step in the new Lazio communications then I am very happy and hopeful for things going forward.

Personally I thought it was embarrassing. It's the thousands who didn't buy tickets who need to be engaged with, not the 11 who did.

Ok, maybe they should have knocked on every door in Rome then... :rolley:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Lazio_ade on August 05, 2016, 04:20:38 PM
Yeah, cos that's exactly what I meant.  :rolley:

Nice way to argue your point there
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Giolazio on August 05, 2016, 04:23:12 PM
Yeah, cos that's exactly what I meant.  :rolley:

Nice way to argue your point there

 :beer:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Lazio_ade on August 05, 2016, 04:24:45 PM
Another great post.
Do you think calling to the 11 who didn't get the memo is going to bring support back to the stadium?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Giolazio on August 05, 2016, 04:28:36 PM
Another great post.
Do you think calling to the 11 who didn't get the memo is going to bring support back to the stadium?

Since the Curva Nord has said they will go back we will never know...
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Rizmo on August 05, 2016, 04:32:37 PM
I'd like to talk about Lotito and the players/staff visiting the 11 fans last night. Not sure if it being discussed elsewhere.

I thought it was a really good move, they could have easily done nothing to not draw attention to the fact that only 11 were sold that first night, but they chose to publicise it and put a positive spin on it.

If this is the first step in the new Lazio communications then I am very happy and hopeful for things going forward.


Personally I thought it was embarrassing. It's the thousands who didn't buy tickets who need to be engaged with, not the 11 who did.

Indirectly they are though. It was an intelligent and appreciated stunt to at least showcase a hint of Lazialita from the management. Together with other steps like signing Peruzzi, trying to up the communication etc I believe most of the fanbase buying season tickets will actually do now. You have those who blindly hate Lotito, no need to adress them as they'll never change opinion. Then you have the majority who just wants a healthy run club and to bring back the Lazialita which has been sorely missing, they don't mind having Lotito as president as long as they see some change for the better and now they are witnessing the first baby steps of that. So kudos to Lotito, hopefully he'll keep it up  :bravo:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Lazio_ade on August 05, 2016, 04:34:21 PM
Another great post.
Do you think calling to the 11 who didn't get the memo is going to bring support back to the stadium?

Since the Curva Nord has said they will go back we will never know...

Missed that news, link/source?
Are the barriers still there?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Crni Đorđe on August 05, 2016, 04:39:22 PM
Quote
Indirectly they are though. It was an intelligent and appreciated stunt to at least showcase a hint of Lazialita from the management. Together with other steps like signing Peruzzi, trying to up the communication etc I believe most of the fanbase buying season tickets will actually do now. You have those who blindly hate Lotito, no need to adress them as they'll never change opinion. Then you have the majority who just wants a healthy run club and to bring back the Lazialita which has been sorely missing, they don't mind having Lotito as president as long as they see some change for the better and now they are witnessing the first baby steps of that. So kudos to Lotito, hopefully he'll keep it up  :bravo:

It's was clever move, must admit. Firstly it were 'infamous 11 subscribers' (though we know that's only for first hour of sell), then club jumped and used that 11 as marketing stunt and twisted negative conotation that number 11 got it into sign of respect and care for same fans. It's perfect move in world of twisted logic everywhere.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Rizmo on August 05, 2016, 04:39:36 PM
Another great post.
Do you think calling to the 11 who didn't get the memo is going to bring support back to the stadium?

Since the Curva Nord has said they will go back we will never know...

Missed that news, link/source?
Are the barriers still there?

Diabolik himself urged Curva Nord to return to the stadium for this season as we "risk losing a generation of Laziali". Whether he actually has a hidden agenda has been discussed on the forum. Can't remember which topic.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Lazio_ade on August 05, 2016, 04:53:04 PM
Great news, hadn't seen it reported in the Lazio news outlets I keep an eye on. Thanks Rizmo.
Do you know whether the barriers are still in the curva?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Giolazio on August 05, 2016, 05:00:35 PM
Great news, hadn't seen it reported in the Lazio news outlets I keep an eye on. Thanks Rizmo.
Do you know whether the barriers are still in the curva?

As far I know they are still there but this protest was as far removed from the barriers it was unreal.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Evesto on August 09, 2016, 02:47:22 PM
Seemed to be best to post this here?

Ex coaching staff member Santoni speaks his mind:

http://www.lalaziosiamonoi.it/in-evidenza/esclusiva-santoni-spara-a-zero-lazio-societa-disorganizzata-e-stato-lotito-a-mandarmi-via-e-su-lensen-73667 (http://www.lalaziosiamonoi.it/in-evidenza/esclusiva-santoni-spara-a-zero-lazio-societa-disorganizzata-e-stato-lotito-a-mandarmi-via-e-su-lensen-73667)

Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on August 09, 2016, 03:00:34 PM
It's a long interview and I'll try to sum up the relevant points.

Santoni was manager of the U17s last season and inherited the Primavera with Lensen when Inzaghi was given the first team. Santoni was released from his contract 10 days ago and is now joining De Boer at Inter.

Santoni says he was hired by Lensen and worked with Lensen. He claims that he would've liked to discuss his future with the club in May, but that discussions over his future were postponed until July. He received a phonecall on July 29 to discuss which team to assign him to for next season. The following day, he received a phone call to be told he was being let go.

Santoni believes Lotito sacked him because results were poor, but Santoni claims he wasn't employed to get certain results, but to improve the youth sector and that's what he was doing (he goes on to discuss a number of talents at the club he believes will make the grade, and criticises the club for buying from abroad instead of focusing on these kids).

Santoni appears to suggest that Lotito is making him the fall guy for a project Santoni believes doesn't exist. Santoni seems to be hinting that the club would like to sack Lensen, but because he's got a long contract, they sacked him instead.

And he repeated the line Keita has introduced us to - promises were made and not kept.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: drazvan on August 09, 2016, 03:13:35 PM
It's the known issue: we do not have a long term project. We sign players and staff that indicates that we have, like Lensen for youth for example, but we do not have a real goal and strategy. That frustrates many. If we would have a real plan, we would not have tried for 1 month to sign Bielsa. We would not offer insane amounts for Biglia to stay. And we would not mind paying a bit more for Keita to stay happy. We live from season to season. That's the sad reality of the moment.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Evesto on August 09, 2016, 03:16:12 PM
Well we suspected Lotito wanted Lensen gone already. 
There's no project, i think that's more then proven at current, typically handled by Lotito this guys' case.

Lotito wanted to come out and look good with his 'academy' in the future for several reasons, but there's simply no commitment to it.  Like Santoni said as we all know, the club is completly disorganized.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: drazvan on August 09, 2016, 03:25:00 PM
I have no idea what's in Lotito's head. But he might have a bi-polar personality. Or maybe Tare is influencing him. No idea. But some decisions make you think that this is our strategy - invest in youth, promote them, sell the mature players and build a strong team, while others make you think that we just want to do all to qualify for Europe next season.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on August 09, 2016, 03:25:05 PM
I'd interpret it slightly differently - Tare has been effectively running the club for the last year or two and in light of last season, Lotito has decided to become more hands on this summer and make changes. In my opinion, that's what's happening.

Santoni was dismissed on the same day we hired Bonatti and Bollini. They are undoubtedly Lotito appointments as Bonatti was assistant manager at Salernitana and Bollini has been in and out of Lazio for two decades and Lotito has done all he can to keep Bollini on board.

Santoni has just joined the obvious dots. It's clear Lotito has taken this club by the scruff of the neck and is bringing on board the personnel he wants. What remains to be seen is if this is purely to pull wool over our eyes or whether there is some kind of substance to the changes.

In any case, I welcome it. Tare was out of his depth. But the obvious problem we are going to have moving forward is that Lotito and Tare have fundamentally different visions, as will Lensen, Inzaghi, Peruzzi etc. Everyone needs to work independently of each other, but they all need to sing from the same hymn sheet.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: laziomeister on August 10, 2016, 12:10:40 AM
Heard there was a food fight where lotito threw a plate of food at some secretary from the club. Don't know if it's true. Haha. If it is just shows how much of a childish buffoon this moron is. Just leave already
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on August 14, 2016, 11:11:07 AM
Coming back to Santoni's comments, Lensen has given an interview in which he criticised Santoni for tarnishing Lazio's reputation. 

Lensen insists the youth project is very clear - bring as many young players into the first team as possible - and insists we are doing well as we have a number of underage players in the Primavera now.

He says results are obviously important to a club as big as Lazio and no one was happy with the results Santoni achieved last season.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on August 28, 2016, 06:31:19 PM
One of the writers from Football Italia did a blog article on Lotito and Lazio

http://www.football-italia.net/90514/everybody-hates-lotito (http://www.football-italia.net/90514/everybody-hates-lotito)

Guessing it's mostly stuff we've all heard before..
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on September 09, 2016, 07:37:22 PM
I'm disappointed with Lotito's structural changes, or at least the initial signs. I've already expressed my dismay with Peruzzi, but I don't like what's happening with Diaconale either.

Today's events sum it up. We saw a press conference today where five new signings where presented together. Once of these players was Wallace who was signed exactly 6 weeks ago.

For me, this is a bit like not celebrating someone's birthday, but turning up with a cake for them and four of their colleagues six weeks later to celebrate all the birthdays which occurred in the last 6 weeks.

The whole point of these press conferences is surely to bring the fans closer to the team and the new acquisition closer to Lazio. This seems like an afterthough, a nuisance, and it would've been arguably better to do nothing at all. Might as well have said to them 'Immobile and Lukaku are important enough to get their own press conferences, but you're not.'

What's more, the club actually presented the new orthopaedic specialist before any of the players. This might have been in response to criticism from the old orthopaedic specialist and son of Lazio legend Bob Lovati, but that doesn't make it acceptable. The club then decided to undermine Stefano Lovati even further this evening by issuing a public statement on why they hired this specialist - and all because Lovati insinuated the appointment was cronyism. There was absolutely nothing unfair in what Lovati said (since the statement seemed to suggest that the specialist is actually a relative of Lotito), yet the club went and made a point of rubbishing Lovati for speaking the truth.

Furthermore, before the specialist and the players were unveiled, Diaconale and Tare spoke with Tare speaking before every signing was allowed to. One step removed from shoving hands up arses and making lips move.

Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cataldi4thewin on September 09, 2016, 08:34:58 PM
I really don't care if we presented all of our low profile signings in one event. I think we should have a thread just for the new media company.

This thread is called Claudio Lotito and all I care about from him is making Lazio great as we should be. The fans layed off him (not completely) when Lazio were winning and made a Champions League position. Imagine we continued impressing Serie A. Claudio Lotito would not have protests and other headaches to deal with on a constant basis. Successful Lazio = more harmony for Lotito. That statement will never become untrue no matter how hated he can be.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: blue_sky on September 10, 2016, 05:49:43 AM
I see different from Club press conference.
First, Peruzzi seems working as his role where now Keita issue solved. The fact behind Keita cheat or sign or gain what he try like maybe increased his salary, that's different issues. At least we don't see again this  Keita saga as stated by many player interviewed such as Immobile, Biglia.
Secondly, this presentation is not too late imo since I see this was an effect of changed in process of Martino to Diaconale, so maybe there's an alignment first things to do
Thirdly speaking of the new orthopedic, This is part of revolution of medical staff as an evaluation from last season of many injuries. time will tell what Lovati claimed is right or  not. It's regrettable for me that staff that has been working for 7 years should have not good farewell between two parties.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: lazioserbia on October 04, 2016, 10:50:34 PM
Prandelli has stated that Lotito shook his hand and broke his promise afterwards. It did bite him in the ass later on with Bielsa  :bravo:

Nice to be the club whose president is known for being a shithead.

LOTITO VATTENE  :offlag:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Don on October 05, 2016, 01:57:10 PM
Stupid enough to have shaken Prandellis hand in the first. So I agree...

At least he has changed his mind then...
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on December 31, 2016, 01:31:40 PM
Here's an image from Calcio e Finanza - Lotito ranks 16th among Serie A presidents in terms of wealth (47 million).

To put it in perspective: Sassuolo's owner has his company Mapei pay 22 million to Sassuolo every year in shirt sponsorship. If Lotito was to do this, he'd go bankrupt in 2019.

(http://www.calcioefinanza.it/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Schermata-2016-08-05-alle-17.50.43.png)
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: hamid on December 31, 2016, 06:03:07 PM
Here's an image from Calcio e Finanza - Lotito ranks 16th among Serie A presidents in terms of wealth (47 million).

To put it in perspective: Sassuolo's owner has his company Mapei pay 22 million to Sassuolo every year in shirt sponsorship. If Lotito was to do this, he'd go bankrupt in 2019.

([url]http://www.calcioefinanza.it/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Schermata-2016-08-05-alle-17.50.43.png[/url])


But how much is this data accurate? I truly expect rioma's president rank higher in the table!
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on December 31, 2016, 06:17:41 PM
But how much is this data accurate? I truly expect rioma's president rank higher in the table!

Apologies hamid - it's revenue, not wealth. So Lotito is earning quite a bit of money these days, but it's low compared to the astonishing amounts other Serie A presidents make with their business ventures.

Read also today that Lazio paid 7.13 million to Lotito's companies over the previous financial year. So Lotito is making 47 million a year from other companies that he owns, and 7 million of that is coming from Lazio.

Important to note though that Lotito doesn't give handouts to senior figures at Lazio, which is not the case at other clubs.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Delta on December 31, 2016, 07:08:49 PM
I think there is confusion here, Lotito businesses just turned over 47 millions last year, there is no way to say how much he or other presidents made profit from their operations from this data. 7.13 million Lazio paid to Lotito's companies could mean he made only 100k profit, he could even lose money (not very likely as we know him but still possible)
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on December 31, 2016, 07:23:35 PM
Do we have any idea how much liquidity Lotito has access to?

Also, does this mean we can stop the "Lotito has no money so stop asking him to invest more" posts that we've seen over the years?

(not calling anyone out, I think most of us thought Lotito didn't have much money and that his funds were inside the club so to speak)
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cathal on December 31, 2016, 08:36:50 PM
I definitely caused some confusion by not reading the initial post properly so guess I should try and simply it.

Lazio generates 2-3 times the revenue all of Lotito's other businesses combined. I would guess he's earning more than he used to, but as Delta pointed out, it also probably means he's not making enough money to invest significantly in the club.

Not the case for others.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Cataldi4thewin on December 31, 2016, 09:08:30 PM
Yea there seems to be a lot of confusion about this table.

47 Million euros.... Revenue.. for one year? Not too damn shabby if you ask me.

Because theres no way to track all the presidents transactions I'm calling this table inaccurate and misleading.

In the business world, you want to lower your income on paper so you pay less federal tax. Like good ol' Donnie Trump does, he pays no capital gains or tax because of the way he distributes his money and bills his customers differently or hides transactions this way and that way so it looks like he went bankrupt or that he made little.

For this reason, I do not think this table tell the truth. Just eye candy for speculators.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Hadi Van Der Vaart on January 03, 2017, 10:19:00 AM
I have read all of your post here my friend n to be brutally honest, due to my lack of knowledge about Economics n how the stock exchange run, I dont really understand about the number you provided. What is your agenda actually?

It seems you make everything so simple n put all faults on Lotito n his friends. I also dont like him, but if he didnt value Lazio shares low as now, we still cant build the stadium since Lotito insists to build it in his land where the authority not allowed.

Lotito accepting empty stadium? Oh c'mon... Do you really know what was the protest all about? And as much as I'm happy to know we could get money from sponsor on our jersey, I prefer to have the current jersey..
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Hadi Van Der Vaart on January 03, 2017, 11:38:38 AM
Of course I dont understand football finance. I even dont have basic knowledge in Economics. I'm only a fan who enjoy watching the game every week. But you havent answered my question, what is your agenda? I'm curious with that n I also think it's strange to see someone from Europe call this sport "soccer" instead of football.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Skenderbeu on January 03, 2017, 02:58:44 PM
Of course I dont understand football finance. I even dont have basic knowledge in Economics. I'm only a fan who enjoy watching the game every week. But you havent answered my question, what is your agenda? I'm curious with that n I also think it's strange to see someone from Europe call this sport "soccer" instead of football.

 :bravo:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Stefano6 on January 03, 2017, 04:23:04 PM
I have to say I too am having trouble following the posts of Lazio_Stakeholder, and trying to figure out what the intention is...

You seem to be implying that Lotito is doing something wrong, potentially even illegal, to purposefully lower the stock price and value of the club. But whenever anyone asks you to explain a motive, or your "proof" in simple terms, you do not, or cannot, and instead just link to your own website.

Apologies if this sounds condescending, but, if Lotito is doing something illegal, or even just questionable, then I fail to see how 1 guy supposedly from Holland has got proof of this, but the relevant authorities in Italy have not, and there have never even been questions or accusations of the sort.

So, as others have said - what do you intend to get out of this? If you do have proof, show us, here, not just linking to your own site. And explain things in terms that someone who has no knowledge of economics can understand. And if it is so damning, show it to the Guardia di Finanza, a contact for whom can be found here http://www.gdf.gov.it (http://www.gdf.gov.it)
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Giolazio on January 05, 2017, 03:18:31 PM
Been trying for months to find his agenda. I think it is click-bait.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Stefano6 on January 17, 2017, 10:19:24 AM
Im sorry but, while I understand English is not your first language, that made absolutely no sense and did not answer any of our questions.

So I repeat: What do you intend to get out of this?
If you do have proof, show us, here, not just linking to your own site.
And explain things in terms that someone who has no knowledge of economics can understand.
And if it is so damning, show it to the Guardia di Finanza, a contact for whom can be found here http://www.gdf.gov.it (http://www.gdf.gov.it) - this is the national "police" for financial crimes in Italy. If this proof of yours exists, these are the people you need to show it to. Otherwise youre just wasting your time telling us how amazing you are.

If you want people to take you seriously, stop trying to brag about how you are the only one who is capable of seeing this massive injustice that Lotito is apparently committing, and show us for gods sake.

Show us this "very hard proof" you have.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Stefano6 on January 17, 2017, 10:49:03 AM
For gods sake... for the last time, if you have proof of Lotito being corrupt or whatever you are trying to show, then show us! Here, stop using this forum as advertising space for your website to try and get hits.

Show us this "text" about Alberto Francese. Show us this "proof" that you will soon shock the world with.

How do you expect us to take you seriously when all you do is write difficult to understand posts about how great you are that you have found this information that no one else has seen, and then accuse us of not being "real fans" because we wont click on your website?

You came here, to us. At first I thought it was to bring some information to light, but now I think its just to get visitors to your site.
So it is not unreasonable of us to ask that you give us a reason to believe you and take you seriously.

So stop posturing, put your money where your mouth is, and show us this proof.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on January 17, 2017, 10:56:28 AM
Just want to say I agree with Stefano here.

I always appreciate people who come here with insight on the Lazio financial situation, anything from the obvious to stuff most of us might not catch up on.

But if you want us to believe you then you need to show some substantial proof about these allegations you're putting forward.  Up until now you've not done anything to prove that you're legit. So if you want to change that and not have us believe you're a liar or a troll, then yes it's time to put your money where your mouth is.

Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Stefano6 on January 17, 2017, 11:49:19 AM
Quote
I did enough to inform you first on matters.

Err, no, you did literally nothing.

This is what you did. You appear and tell us all you have evidence of Lotito being fraudulent. You tell us you are the only person in the world who knows this and go on to tell us all about your apparent years of experience in this field. Then tell us to click your link to your site.

Thats it. When asked repeatedly to show us proof or explain in simpler terms, you just repeat yourself and tell us nothing, except to click your site again.

And then, when we ask for this proof, you accuse us of not being fans, or not wanting to understand? Get a grip!

Im not going to speak down to you about your english.
I am tri-lingual and I know many on here speak multiple languages so we all know its hard to express yourself in another language, no shame there, but your posts are hard to understand due to your english, and then because of the complex subject, which you have been asked many times to explain in simple terms. Yet you will not do that.
So dont try and point at us and say we arent trying to understand. If we didnt care, we wouldnt be asking you!


So yeah, youre wasting your time. But its your own fault.

So if you really have this evidence, do as I have told you to do three times now. Go to the Guardia di Finanza, and present them with this evidence. Then we can all read about it in the news.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Stefano6 on January 17, 2017, 12:13:28 PM
I honestly dont understand your attitude. Why are you accusing us of things, of not being real fans, of being aggressive, of not wanting to understand, when literally all we have done is ask you to back up your claims, here?

Its not a difficult or unreasonable request. You are the one being aggressive and refusing to elaborate.

So, this is the last post I will reply to you, because im bored now.
You have two choices:

1. Answer our questions and provide, here, on this forum, proof that your claims have basis. We will then help you all we can. If you want things translating into Italian, I will do it. If you want help with English I will do it. If you want pointing in the direction of agencies in Italy who you can go to I will do it.

or

2. Go away.


You choose.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on January 17, 2017, 12:39:58 PM
Just want to say I agree with Stefano here.
But if you want us to believe you then you need to show some substantial proof about these allegations you're putting forward.  Up until now you've not done anything to prove that you're legit. So if you want to change that and not have us believe you're a liar or a troll, then yes it's time to put your money where your mouth is.


From such reaction it is clear to me i now answer a true troll indeed.

Okay lets try this again

Please give us this proof of what you are saying is true. If you do that I will be the first to tip my hat and say well done.

If you're worried about your own safety and this is what is causing you to refrain from posting then fair enough, but please stop replying to this topic then. You know how sensitive and touchy this subject is and you should not create such a big fuss without being willing to follow up with the proof we've asked you for.

Also hell if you're worried about the consequences then message me the info in private and I'll post it.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Sile on January 17, 2017, 01:08:05 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/MrW5mUX.gif)
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Hadi Van Der Vaart on January 17, 2017, 01:28:40 PM

Of course I dont understand football finance. I even dont have basic knowledge in Economics. I'm only a fan who enjoy watching the game every week. But you havent answered my question, what is your agenda? I'm curious with that n I also think it's strange to see someone from Europe call this sport "soccer" instead of football.

Obviously many people don't have to much problems with the term soccer however.

https://www.google.de/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=soccer+shares (https://www.google.de/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=soccer+shares)

I was asking your agenda n you replied about unnecessary thing. Everybody here knows what "soccer" means but it's weird to see that diction in European football forum.

I think this guy just trolling or something like that. First of all, he compared us with Dortmund n we should be in CL if Lotito didnt do fraud. Then he said  he has something that will get attention from all media on Earth! But he "exclusively" posted it here n while asked about his agenda, he never answered that!!!
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: moody on January 17, 2017, 02:58:16 PM
I've been reading through the website, and I think I can answer some questions for the average members here.

lazio-stakeholder wants to gather info on who owns Lazio shares, how much they own, and wants to keep track of the movements also. He also wants to encourage more to buy Lazio shares since he thinks its undervalued and could bring profits to the investors.

Seeing this I'd say he probably got some shares himself and eager to get it up to the price where he can recoup some losses. If he bought them 20 years ago.... then he's probably broke from the deal.

Anyway I can say it's futile to promote this kind of concept here since all of us are fans and not investors, and fans buy merchandise rather than stocks, and also most rich people don't hang out on these internet forums, so even what you say is true it ain't going to make a difference here. I'm not against you saying anything since it could be interesting seeing these, but really let's don't take it so serious cause this is not a good place to preach finance.

I don't believe anyone should invest in football club stocks since this industry is too scandalous and results are controlled, as well as stock prices, especially in a club as fishy as Lazio. Football clubs are not for making money in Italy and there are many other investments that can give you some return.
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Dakiller961 on January 17, 2017, 03:06:31 PM
I've been reading through the website, and I think I can answer some questions for the average members here.

lazio-stakeholder wants to gather info on who owns Lazio shares, how much they own, and wants to keep track of the movements also. He also wants to encourage more to buy Lazio shares since he thinks its undervalued and could bring profits to the investors.

Seeing this I'd say he probably got some shares himself and eager to get it up to the price where he can recoup some losses. If he bought them 20 years ago.... then he's probably broke from the deal.

Anyway I can say it's futile to promote this kind of concept here since all of us are fans and not investors, and fans buy merchandise rather than stocks, and also most rich people don't hang out on these internet forums, so even what you say is true it ain't going to make a difference here. I'm not against you saying anything since it could be interesting seeing these, but really let's don't take it so serious cause this is not a good place to preach finance.

I don't believe anyone should invest in football club stocks since this industry is too scandalous and results are controlled, as well as stock prices, especially in a club as fishy as Lazio. Football clubs are not for making money in Italy and there are many other investments that can give you some return.

well I am a gazilionnaire, If I buy 60% of the shares will I become the new President ?
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: birulangit on January 17, 2017, 03:42:12 PM
@stakeholder are u a lazio fan??

or just analist?? or broker??

i read that u had some ppl (from some countries) buy lazio shares hoping for it to boom.. and it did not.

i dont understand share n economic well..
but i know that lotito owns most of the share. so what is in it for him to keep it so low?
if i am lotito.. i would buy all the share that i can get since i did the dirty work of keeping it at low price.


If some fans started to buy the dirt cheap shares themselves and registered them in my count, they would help club tremendously ad most likely make also big profit from it for themselves.
This is why already 26 people from 5 countries bought many Lazio shares and registered them by me.
It is a win win for everybody, apart of Lotito himself, he is in a process of seizing complete ownership and control  at a bargain. And Lazio fans like you know best here that brings probably not the best future for Lazio.

It is just a shame what Lotito does at Lazio and accepting this empty stadium. And why is there not a name o Lazio shirt? 5 million Euro a year should be in at least. And so on!

Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Giolazio on January 17, 2017, 06:13:20 PM
I think it is very simple and I ask the rest of us in here to simply ignore this guy, unless he answers the simple question of his intentions.

This forum has a certain etiquette, all of which he has ignored. We do not promote click bait material and when a new member joins, we introduce ourselves and this guy, even when pressed, will not tell us what he is looking to gain.

I have grown tiresome of the discussion. He has been advised where to take his 'evidence' and it's up to him to do so now. He can get no more from us. Since he a the self-proclaimed genius, I expect him to report to Guardia di Finanza and I will wait for Lotito's arrest in the news... :whistle:
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Sile on January 18, 2017, 11:59:15 AM
K tnx bai
Title: Re: Claudio Lotito
Post by: Stefano6 on January 18, 2017, 12:45:13 PM

Basic soccer economy principles seem even for Lazioland manager to difficult to understand..


And it seems basic questions, such as "show us proof", and basic instructions such as "take this to the Guardia di Finanza" are too difficult for a genius such as yourself to understand.

Who'd have thought?

Bored of you now. If you are so knowledgable in this subject and this proof is so damning, take it to the authorities and we can all read about Lotitos imprisoning in the paper.

But im going to go out o