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Title: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 03, 2017, 10:32:22 AM
Mercato officially started this morning.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: Harmi1985 on July 03, 2017, 12:28:23 PM
great that means officially for us lazio fans

we get linked to players at the start like Çalhanoğlu, Navas and Camacho and end up with some left back from the Albania 3rd division and a unknown Brazilian striker from serie d
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 03, 2017, 12:50:27 PM
I'm going to give it another month until I go into my usual rant mode

Until then I'll just point out that I feel igli tare is holding us back by only working with such a small circle. Having a good relationship with a club or agent is no guarantee for having a successful mercato and if anything it stinks of laziness or lack of interest to broaden your horizon
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: Cathal on July 03, 2017, 01:00:04 PM
Since when is not using your contacts been successful in any walk of life? It's literally what everyone does in life. If I got my mate to cut my hair for free, would you criticise me for not going to the barbers and paying full whack?

For me, the criticism is what's lazy here - Tare using a contact is bad because Marusic isn't well-known and because he isn't well-known, he must be rubbish.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: Harmi1985 on July 03, 2017, 01:23:09 PM
 Well 8 times out of 10 Tare signing have been rubbish and now with the investment that inter and AC Milan have, Tare has to step it up and pull something out of that bag
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: Akha on July 03, 2017, 01:42:43 PM
Yeah, the coming season has disaster written all over it - Juve and Napoli on top, ASR buying world-class players and continuing their project, Milan and Inter rising again and taking their place in top 3. Everyone getting stronger but us. It'd be a miracle if we'll get a spot in top 10. Another year of selling our best players, like Sant'Antonio and Hernanes before, no ambition, no pride, no nothing.

I'm starting my protest and encourage you guys to do the same - I'm going to stop watching our matches and like our club account posts on facebook !!!11

#Lotito vattene #libera la Lazio #bring Maki back










 :whistle:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: Giolazio on July 03, 2017, 01:48:25 PM
This topic man...usual suspects...wish you would all just chill. Just one mercato please.... :razz:


Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: drazvan on July 03, 2017, 01:49:58 PM
The way I see it we got a promissing reinforcement (Marusic) and nobody left yet. We also managed to renew most of our youngsters. As soon as we clarify Biglia, De Vrij and Keita, we know more. No need to worry - at this moment we are stronger than last year.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: Dakiller961 on July 03, 2017, 01:53:27 PM
ASR buying world-class players and continuing their project

Oh please oh please, can you point out which ASR signing is world class? it does not seem Tare's buying are rubbish as much as your posts are  :whistle: :whistle:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: blue-white on July 03, 2017, 01:54:31 PM
I'm also someone who says ... chill and wait - especially when we talk about new signings.

BUT....BUT...i already blame the club that there is the De Vrij situation, Biglia situation and Keita situation .... not ONE of them solved.

Why I'm blaming?... Inzaghi needs his team for preseason training, but week for week the management needs longer, Inzaghi has less time for preparing the team for the new season!

At least the De Vrij situation should have been solved weeks ago!!!

And that makes me angry.
We don't need Biglia and Keita, because they want out at any costs, but if we believe reports, it's a bit different with De Vrij.
Come together with the right sum for a release clause, and then he will put pen to paper.

The management is too slow in such cases.

ASR buying world-class players and continuing their project

Oh please oh please, can you point out which ASR signing is world class? it does not seem Tare's buying are rubbish as much as your posts are  :whistle: :whistle:

was a joke by him..
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 03, 2017, 02:06:49 PM
Since when is not using your contacts been successful in any walk of life? It's literally what everyone does in life. If I got my mate to cut my hair for free, would you criticise me for not going to the barbers and paying full whack?

For me, the criticism is what's lazy here - Tare using a contact is bad because Marusic isn't well-known and because he isn't well-known, he must be rubbish.
I would critisize you if you were someone who cared a lot about your hair and took good care of it on a daily basis, but then for your monthly cut you'd go down to your friend paying 5 euros for him to fu ck it up over spending twice as much and looking awesome instead

This is not based on this summer by the way, so I am not speaking about the Marusic transfer now, but instead as a general thing with Lazio and Tare.

Do you guys feel Tare has done a good job as a sporting director or do you think he could do better? I am not calling him a failure because I realize we have limited money, but we're a very inconsistent football club and I wonder whether it has something to do with the way Tare works...
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: Cathal on July 03, 2017, 02:10:45 PM
If Milan and Inter's investment pays off, the only way Tare can react to it is if he finds 500 million down the back of his sofa. In the meantime, he can only continue doing what he does and hope we finish above Inter and Milan again next season because, you know, everyone speaks about their threat every July and come the following May, they are laughing stocks.

I agree that the contractual sagas with Biglia, Keita and de Vrij is probably where blame can be placed on the club, but we don't know what's going on behind the scenes. Like I said, Biglia said he wanted to retire at Lazio a few months ago, but apparently a month ago he told Lazio he wanted to leave - and that's our captain - messy situation for the club which is almost ALL on Biglia.

Since when is not using your contacts been successful in any walk of life? It's literally what everyone does in life. If I got my mate to cut my hair for free, would you criticise me for not going to the barbers and paying full whack?

For me, the criticism is what's lazy here - Tare using a contact is bad because Marusic isn't well-known and because he isn't well-known, he must be rubbish.
I would critisize you if you were someone who cared a lot about your hair and took good care of it on a daily basis, but then for your monthly cut you'd go down to your friend paying 5 euros for him to fu ck it up over spending twice as much and looking awesome instead

But you are assuming my mate is terrible at cutting hair, and you haven't seen my hair. That's exactly why you get a bit of backlash at this time of year - you don't wait on anything to play out.

My hair might be f**king fantastic.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: drazvan on July 03, 2017, 02:23:09 PM
I am not sure if the club could do more to solve the Biglia, De Vrij and Keita saga.
Biglia got a great offer and to be honest he should have taken it. But he made it clear that he wants to leave. What can the club do other than trying to get as much money for him as possible?
De Vrij declared in the dutch media from begining that he sees Lazio as a step, not as an end station. To be honest he is behaving quite poorly now since Lazio paid his salary for a full injury year and now he makes it clear that he intends to leave for free next year. I find this rather annoying. I would rather sell him now and get some money. Also give more space to Wallace and Bastos.
Keita is an interesting case - he was asking for a lot when he was not playing that well. When he started to play well, we tried to offer several contracts and he rejects them. Now it seems that he really wants to leave to Juve, which if you ask me is a poor career decision. Would I keep him? Yes. But he is damn spoiled and he has a stupid agent. So I would also not mind getting some cash for him.
In the end I think we might keep all 3 but that might mean losing at least 40 mil (say that Biglia is valued now at min 10, De Vrij at 15, Keita also at 15 -> they all could be worth 0 next year). So yeah - it is nice to dream at getting 60-70 mil for the 3. but if you would ask me - take 40 mil now or 0 next year - I would sell them as soon as possible. With 40 mil we can get some good reinforcements.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 03, 2017, 02:24:23 PM
If Milan and Inter's investment pays off, the only way Tare can react to it is if he finds 500 million down the back of his sofa. In the meantime, he can only continue doing what he does and hope we finish above Inter and Milan again next season because, you know, everyone speaks about their threat every July and come the following May, they are laughing stocks.

I agree that the contractual sagas with Biglia, Keita and de Vrij is probably where blame can be placed on the club, but we don't know what's going on behind the scenes. Like I said, Biglia said he wanted to retire at Lazio a few months ago, but apparently a month ago he told Lazio he wanted to leave - and that's our captain - messy situation for the club which is almost ALL on Biglia.

Since when is not using your contacts been successful in any walk of life? It's literally what everyone does in life. If I got my mate to cut my hair for free, would you criticise me for not going to the barbers and paying full whack?

For me, the criticism is what's lazy here - Tare using a contact is bad because Marusic isn't well-known and because he isn't well-known, he must be rubbish.
I would critisize you if you were someone who cared a lot about your hair and took good care of it on a daily basis, but then for your monthly cut you'd go down to your friend paying 5 euros for him to fu ck it up over spending twice as much and looking awesome instead

But you are assuming my mate is terrible at cutting hair, and you haven't seen my hair. That's exactly why you get a bit of backlash at this time of year - you don't wait on anything to play out.

My hair might be f**king fantastic.

 :supsmile: :supsmile: :supsmile: :supsmile:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: Dakiller961 on July 03, 2017, 02:52:02 PM
Do you guys feel Tare has done a good job as a sporting director or do you think he could do better? I am not calling him a failure because I realize we have limited money, but we're a very inconsistent football club and I wonder whether it has something to do with the way Tare works...

I feel Cathal summarized it quite well... we tend not to wait on anything to play out. we criticize far too fast and far too often as I think people get some kind of satisfaction out of it.
Back to your Tare question, I think Tare is doing a very good job as a SD and this is because I rate his job based on the outcome vs the tools he was given to use. Looking at inter DS, Tare looks like a superstar.

for example:

We buy an unknown player called SMS for peanuts, they buy Kondogbia for 45 mil I think.
2 years later, we have one of the most sought after midfielders rated at 50mil+ vs kondogbia who cant and wont retrieve what was paid for him 2 years ago.
it's all comes down to ROI. return on Investment, and Lazio's is one of the highest in the business in Serie A if not the highest
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: Cathal on July 03, 2017, 03:02:54 PM
Well, in truth, it's no good discussing this market in 2-3 years time and everyone is entitled to their opinion.

But for me, I don't understand how Tare can be criticised for using his contacts when every single human being on planet earth does the same in various walks of life, and I don't understand the idea that Tare can be doing a bad job because Milan and Inter are investing when obviously Tare can't control what Milan and Inter do.

If there's one thing that bugs me about discussions on Lazio - and this goes for the forum and off the forum - it's that there seems to be little regard for what the other 19 teams do in Serie A. If Milan and Inter invest heavily and finish in the Top 3 next season and we miss out on Europe, that does not necessarily mean Tare has done or is doing a bad job. The flip side of that is that bad managers have won the Scudetto, or clubs run by terrible owners.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: Harmi1985 on July 03, 2017, 03:28:22 PM
i get the point that Dakiller is saying and i may be one of Tare harshest critics, but my problem is not just the players that Tare or Lotito buys, it how they deal with business, you can say yes Sms is worth 50 million at the moment, but just like Keita just like Pandev, just like Zarate, how do we know that in a couple of years time there will be a possible contract dispute with him and we will end up losing out on millions for him as we had done with those mentioned players, its not just the whole buying players that i have an issue with its also the way the club is run, nobody wants to do business with Lotito

i am a lazio fan and have been for 20 years, and as a football fan you want excitement around the club, u want that feeling that yes this may be the season, but im not feeling that, and its that level of frustration that makes me feel angry
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: Cathal on July 03, 2017, 03:38:00 PM
Pandev is the only player we lost money on because of a contract dispute. That was almost 8 years ago and was before Tare. And I was never bothered about Pandev going because I felt Lazio would move forward as a club without him because I never got a favourable impression of him as a player or person. Lazio moved forward without him and he's shown his true colours, so I still see that as a win.

We haven't lost money on Keita yet, and Zarate's situation wasn't a contractual dispute - it was a technical decision by Reja. He also sent Floccari packing but no one talks about losing money on Floccari or his behaviour because he came back and proved a point under the next manager.

There are things I am more than happy to criticise the club for at the moment and I can understand being frustrated or lacking in feeling for the club from time-to-time, but why be angry about something before it has even happened yet?
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: Dakiller961 on July 03, 2017, 03:40:18 PM
i get the point that Dakiller is saying and i may be one of Tare harshest critics, but my problem is not just the players that Tare or Lotito buys, it how they deal with business, you can say yes Sms is worth 50 million at the moment, but just like Keita just like Pandev, just like Zarate, how do we know that in a couple of years time there will be a possible contract dispute with him and we will end up losing out on millions for him as we had done with those mentioned players, its not just the whole buying players that i have an issue with its also the way the club is run, nobody wants to do business with Lotito

i am a lazio fan and have been for 20 years, and as a football fan you want excitement around the club, u want that feeling that yes this may be the season, but im not feeling that, and its that level of frustration that makes me feel angry

What you are saying is legit, but what does Tare have to do with it ? Contract extensions are also stipulated by the agent fees and salary which both are capped by Lotito.
I am discussing Tare's JOB as a DS and extending contracts just like buying players is an outcome based on what tools he has, which are limited
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: Sile on July 03, 2017, 04:46:45 PM
Reports that De Vrij declined another offer for extenstion and is set for Rube in 2018
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: lazioserbia on July 03, 2017, 05:06:22 PM
That is very sneaky from him...if true of course. Send him to the stands for the whole next season or better yet let him play and pay some redneck from Empoli to break his knee but for real this time.

Always had a feeling that he's gay since he always takes photos with his friends and I don't think I've ever seen girls around them...now I think he might not be gay but definitely a fag...
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: Cathal on July 03, 2017, 05:11:32 PM
Might not see much photos of de Vrij around girls because when he's photographed around women, he breaks cameras.

Wishing for Lazio players to get hurt ain't exactly cool with me.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: lazioserbia on July 03, 2017, 05:17:48 PM
Might not see much photos of de Vrij around girls because when he's photographed around women, he breaks cameras.

Wishing for Lazio players to get hurt ain't exactly cool with me.

Good point for the cameras  :razz:

On the other hand, I knew you'd say that about hurting him but to me he's either a friend or an enemy, no in-between. And when he got injured playing for his national team we paid his salary for one whole year and now he wants to screw us over? I can't take this lightly, no way, so see if I give a f*ck about anything that happens to him.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: Silindeee on July 03, 2017, 05:23:33 PM
Some people have to see a doctor once in a while.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: Cathal on July 03, 2017, 05:42:18 PM
And when he got injured playing for his national team we paid his salary for one whole year and now he wants to screw us over?

Firstly, if de Vrij was deemed to have been injured on international duty, FIFA would've paid his salary while he was hurt.

Secondly, I don't see how he's screwing anyone over. He's only contracted to work for Lazio until 2018. It's his choice to do what he wants after the following season - that's what he and Lazio agreed three years ago. In a normal workplace, if someone gets sick for a year and then asks to leave 1-2 years down the line, no boss is going to turn around and say you don't appreciate me.

I understand the whole argument, but I think it's weak. Why would anyone want de Vrij to stay around because he feels he owes us or because he pities us? If he wants to go, fine. Let him. Thanks for the last three years and best of luck elsewhere.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: Jiwa on July 03, 2017, 05:57:53 PM
Whats important for Lazio now is to fully believe in Inzaghi, build the squad based on his vision/strategy. I believe he is Lazio future, not de vrij or biglia or dare i say keita.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: lazioserbia on July 03, 2017, 06:15:35 PM
So you're saying that he had an injury already, before playing for the Netherlands when he got injured, that was sustained while playing for Lazio? I just don't see the logic of our management sending an already injured player to play for his national team...

Some gratitude would be good, yeah, and no gratitude makes him a douchebag. Maybe not in your eyes but for me he's definitely an ungrateful cunt. And you know how highly I rate him as a player and that he is one of my favourites in Lazio...so if he is not to blame and if he isn't screwing us over, who is to blame for this?

So yeah, if he screws us over I really fail to see the reason to say good luck and wish you all the best. Not that our management isn't to blame at least partially for this but sitting out on your contract just so you could go to one of our rivals is disgusting...and if he really wants to do this I would have no problem with Lotito and our management ruining his career because the bottom line is that he was paid nicely at Lazio, was offered a new contract with a better salary but he chose to say f*ck you.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: Cathal on July 03, 2017, 06:25:35 PM
So you're saying that he had an injury already, before playing for the Netherlands when he got injured, that was sustained while playing for Lazio? I just don't see the logic of our management sending an already injured player to play for his national team...

It's very clear what the situation was up to a point. de Vrij hurt his knee against Empoli in April 2015. For whatever reason, he didn't go for surgery. Lazio continued to play him with a knee injury. Then they had no say in preventing him going on international duty. He aggravated the problem further on international duty. Then a decision was made that he should go for surgery.

If players are hurt on international duty and they are absent for a significant period of time, FIFA pay the salary. So there's a good chance FIFA paid the salary. And if FIFA didn't pay the salary, there could be other arrangements that would see Lazio avoid paying the salary. Maybe insurance or perhaps de Vrij gave his salary up. And even if Lazio did end up paying the salary, well, it would more than fair to say they deserved it for allowing him to train and play for 6 months with the injury.

My point is, an argument has been created to hate on de Vrij because according to journalists who haven't got anything right so far in this transfer window, he's refusing to sign a new contract. As a Lazio fan, I tend to try and support Lazio players and as a Lazio fan, I struggle to understand others who don't.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: Morts on July 03, 2017, 06:32:53 PM

Always had a feeling that he's gay since he always takes photos with his friends and I don't think I've ever seen girls around them...now I think he might not be gay but definitely a fag...

And what the fcuk does that have to do with the case?? I don't walk around calling you a cu*t because my ex-girlfriend was from Serbia

Try to stay on topic for once without generalising please! And also please don't the f-word

Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: lazioserbia on July 03, 2017, 06:40:51 PM
I don't believe the media and that's why I said if true...but something tells me that he isn't going to sign the extension because if he wanted to he would have done it already.

I have no problem with going against any of our players if they show no loyalty like Keita or De Vrij, or even Biglia whose actions as a captain are very questionable. I'm a Lazio fan, not a fan of our players, especially not the ones who make their name while playing for Lazio and then act like they are bigger than the club.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: lazioserbia on July 03, 2017, 06:48:48 PM

Always had a feeling that he's gay since he always takes photos with his friends and I don't think I've ever seen girls around them...now I think he might not be gay but definitely a fag...

And what the fcuk does that have to do with the case?? I don't walk around calling you a cu*t because my ex-girlfriend was from Serbia

Try to stay on topic for once without generalising please! And also please don't the f-word

I fail to see your point...and the f word is just a word, this isna kindergarten or a church and I'm not the only one saying the word so...don't know why you're being so sensitive  :beer:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: Cathal on July 03, 2017, 06:50:35 PM
I think the point that was being made is that your language can be offensive when you are using offensive words about Lazio players.

I've no problem with criticism or anger directed at Lazio players, but you should know where I - and others - would be coming from.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: Sile on July 03, 2017, 06:52:42 PM
Ravel training with Birmingham city, fingers crossed
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: lazioserbia on July 03, 2017, 07:06:14 PM
Fair enough... :beer:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: Morts on July 03, 2017, 07:07:19 PM

Always had a feeling that he's gay since he always takes photos with his friends and I don't think I've ever seen girls around them...now I think he might not be gay but definitely a fag...

And what the fcuk does that have to do with the case?? I don't walk around calling you a cu*t because my ex-girlfriend was from Serbia

Try to stay on topic for once without generalising please! And also please don't the f-word

I fail to see your point...and the f word is just a word, this isna kindergarten or a church and I'm not the only one saying the word so...don't know why you're being so sensitive  :beer:

The word faggot is extremely offensive and I don't care if other people use the word, as that does not justify it at all!

Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: Evesto on July 03, 2017, 07:09:25 PM
I think we should neglect all the media crap regarding De Vrij and Keita for now, untill any news from Lazio itself.  Media are desperate as they are in the dark.  As of things stand on paper both will be free agents next summer and Lazio would lose 2 high value assests for free who would otherwise financialy provide the clubs future for several seasons to come.

There's no realistic way Lotito (a professional businessman) would let this happen.  The media provokes hate towards these players when still not necessary at all.

Biglia is different, he's been doubtfull and undecisive towards the club, and this being the captain. 
No problem that he wants to leave but he's been unclear with everything constantly, putting the club in this awkward situation before pre season.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: Rizmo on July 03, 2017, 07:21:14 PM
Morts, are you a biker? I believe South Park made it very clear about the word 'fag' so relax, it's not offensive but simply just a fitting and describing word for

(https://media.tenor.com/images/3690c8625554caed978a4cea76f0610a/tenor.gif)

Ref;

(http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Fags_15ab18_153676.jpg)
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: lazioserbia on July 03, 2017, 07:37:57 PM
Morts, I am sorry that I upset you, but I don't see why this word is so offensive? I thought at first you were talking about the other f word...

I also see no reason why anyone would be forbidden to use filthy words in here. I'm not cursing at your family or at anyone else's so I don't see why this is so personal for you? Everybody curses at least once in a while so let's not pretend to be saints...
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: Stefano6 on July 03, 2017, 07:46:21 PM
A players sexuality has absolutely nothing to do with anything, and to use offensive terms towards him behind the veiled excuse of being a "lazio fan not a player fan" is pitiful, and behaviour that im ashamed to see come from someone on here.

A player, irrelavent who, states that he is likely heading for another club, and that is basis to both wish that someone break his legs, and then direct your own archaic views on his personal life, and this is OK?



Regarding the De Vrij situation in general, obviously every Lazio fan wants him to stay because he has been a great player for us, but in all fairness he was pretty clear 3 years ago that he wasnt going to be here forever and I think we all accepted at the time that he was - quite openly - using us as a stepping stone to achieve his career goals. Its not like hes done what many other players have done in the past and said one thing to then do the opposite.

Regarding Keita and Biglia, I too would have preferred their contract situations resolved sooner, but we also dont know what goes on behind closed doors so we can only speculate as to the reasons, with bits of the story leaked by agents who we cant really trust anyway. Football isnt like a video game, its not always as straight forward as making the offer and them signing it.

About Tare, im not his fan. I dont think hes doing a terrible job, but I also dont think hes doing a good one. I would probably give him 4/10.
I have no issue with him using his contacts to get introductions, and hopefully seek out deals - as Cathal said, every businessman in the world does that, thats why networking in business is so vital.
However, there comes a point when you have to stop and think, to use Cathals haircut analogy, "the last 10 times ive had my mate cut my hair, its only looked good twice.. so maybe i should try this slightly more expensive salon with a better reputation"
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: Sile on July 03, 2017, 08:01:35 PM
Cathal's last name is suspiciously similar to "mullet" tho :D
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: lazioserbia on July 03, 2017, 08:23:59 PM
Your high and mighty views don't concern me Stefano, I was making a point that if he jerks Lazio around and goes to Juventus he's an enemy to me - that's why I called him the way I did. Him possibly being gay or straight is not my concern, but since we were joking about Keita and Patric holding their hands and being gay I thought this can be a joke too.

You can be ashamed of my views all you want but that goes both ways. You seem to hold no value for loyalty because you've got none yourself. You expect our players to walk all over Lazio and on top of that you want me to show more respect towards them? Maybe I'm extreme but it's far better than being passive.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: Stefano6 on July 03, 2017, 08:36:10 PM
If not wishing broken legs and making derogatory comments about a players personal life is considered "high and mighty" to you, then you have pretty low standards. But you have demonstrated repeatedly what kind of person you are, so I certainly wont be losing any sleep over what someone like you thinks about me.

Im not sure where you get the idea that I have no loyalty. Although I assume its just an excuse to have a go at me because I dont agree with you, childish but to be expected from you.

Anyone who has read my posts over the last few years will know well that I infact do value loyalty very highly, probably more than most on here, but its only worth expecting it from certain players otherwise you are setting yourself up for disappointment.
Example, I dont expect loyalty from De Vrij since he made it pretty obvious from the beginning of his Lazio career that we are a stepping stone, not his goal.
I would expect loyalty from someone like Murgia, Lombardi (although being young they will probably leave the club at some point id expect them to stick around for a long time) and at this point perhaps even Immobile, for different reasons.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: Leontios on July 03, 2017, 09:05:46 PM

Always had a feeling that he's gay since he always takes photos with his friends and I don't think I've ever seen girls around them...now I think he might not be gay but definitely a fag...

And what the fcuk does that have to do with the case?? I don't walk around calling you a cu*t because my ex-girlfriend was from Serbia

Try to stay on topic for once without generalising please! And also please don't the f-word

I fail to see your point...and the f word is just a word, this isna kindergarten or a church and I'm not the only one saying the word so...don't know why you're being so sensitive  :beer:

The word faggot is extremely offensive and I don't care if other people use the word, as that does not justify it at all!

Snowflaking much?
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: lazioserbia on July 03, 2017, 09:14:14 PM
And how does Lazio deserve any player's loyalty? By showing faith in him, making him one of the best defensive players in the league, giving him a great contract? Does that deserve loyalty? Because if De Vrij made it clear from the start that he isn't going to be loyal and that Lazio is only a stepping stone then our management are utter imbeciles and that's an understatement because this contract should have been made differently! And I'm perfectly fine with being his stepping stone, but I am not fine with Lazio being used in his favor so he could leave on his terms and leave us with nothing. This has happened far too many times and it has to stop and if ruining his career is the way then so be it. It's not like we were paying him peanuts for his services so he might show at least some desire to give something back.

Your vision of what kind of a person I am really does not concern me. I still think you are a great guy, but why do you keep telling others how to behave or why do you think that others need to fill out your expectations is beyond me.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: Stefano6 on July 03, 2017, 09:22:34 PM
If De Vrij has decided that he will stay 1 more season and no more before moving on, then we cant force him to sign a contract. I agree that him leaving for nothing is a bitter taste, but theres nothing we can do about it now.

What should have happened is that we shouldnt let important members of the squad get to the final year of their contract, ever, unless we are willing to let them go for nothing - especially someone who was always going to be here only for a short time - but thats another discussion altogether (and the contracts issue is probably the only LoTare gripe that im in agreement with)

But at the same time, if De Vrij already had in his head that he will stay 3 seasons then we couldnt force him to sign a 4 or 5 year contract. We dont know the situation at previous discussions.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: Evesto on July 03, 2017, 09:24:16 PM
So Milan sign Calhanoglu, now i'm jealous, i really am.  Not of their situation but because a player like this could uplift Lazio.

Everton sign Sandro Ramirez from Malaga for only 6mill, while he's worth over 10mill.
Strange deal, would have liked seeing him endup here for that price, unless Tare has a better option locked down that is.
Maybe Malaga is having a discount sale, are they in trouble?  Godd time to sign Camacho maybe.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 03, 2017, 10:04:23 PM
http://www.football-italia.net/105187/simeone-fiorentina-%E2%82%AC20m (http://www.football-italia.net/105187/simeone-fiorentina-%E2%82%AC20m)

1: Wtf at these inflated prices   :roll_eyes:

2: Since when did Viola have this kind of money?

3: Sad he doesn't follow in his father's footsteps..
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: Rizmo on July 03, 2017, 10:35:22 PM
Surely only financed by the sale of Bernardeschi and/or Kalinic.

Something smell bad at Viola by the way, with how they're handling themselves regarding Borja, also Badelj and the whole Salah saga... makes Lotito look like an innocent little lamb.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: Miro on July 03, 2017, 10:46:45 PM
Everton sign Sandro Ramirez from Malaga for only 6mill, while he's worth over 10mill.
Strange deal, would have liked seeing him endup here for that price, unless Tare has a better option locked down that is.
Maybe Malaga is having a discount sale, are they in trouble?  Godd time to sign Camacho maybe.

On the surface, it looks like a bargain signing. But I think Barca likely has a buy back option down the road like they had with Gerard Deulofeu most recently, possibly a percentage of the future sale as well. Hence, why he went so low.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: Cathal on July 03, 2017, 10:54:11 PM
They activated his release clause, no? That's what I read.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: Miro on July 03, 2017, 11:06:23 PM
You could be right, it appears that they have activated it. Well good deal for them.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: lazioserbia on July 03, 2017, 11:08:14 PM
What about that Azmoun?
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: Evesto on July 03, 2017, 11:27:28 PM
They activated his release clause, no? That's what I read.

Someone set the bar low then back in the day.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: Evesto on July 04, 2017, 12:42:13 AM
A few light whispers about Tare looking at Leo Dubois. 
22y old rightback from Nantes who apparently delivers a high number of crossing assists. 
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: lazioserbia on July 04, 2017, 12:48:43 AM
High crossing assists is something we really need.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: Evesto on July 04, 2017, 01:01:30 AM
High crossing assists is something we really need.

We surely do, we can't judge Marusic yet but all the others don't deliver any.
Except Lulic, but only from left attacking wing position or LCM.
It's another RB rumour of course but who's to say Tare isn't looking for another one.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: dinhochester on July 04, 2017, 01:45:49 AM
                           X
               Bastos Hoedt X
Marusic Parolo Sergej X Lukaku
              Immobile Keita

Looking at current roster, a good goalkeeper is what we need the most.
Strakosha is not cutting it yet.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: lazioserbia on July 04, 2017, 02:09:37 AM
High crossing assists is something we really need.

We surely do, we can't judge Marusic yet but all the others don't deliver any.
Except Lulic, but only from left attacking wing position or LCM.
It's another RB rumour of course but who's to say Tare isn't looking for another one.

The problem is the centre of defense, not the wings. Hoedt and Wallace will be very bad without De Vrij.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: dinhochester on July 04, 2017, 03:01:36 AM
I think if Inzaghi let Hoedt, Bastos, and Wallace spend some playing time together, they wont be that bad.
They are still young and they havent got time play consistently with each other.
That is why preseason is really important for them to play together.

I always like Bastos.
For Hoedt, he has very strong point in coming in front during corner kick and also his long through pass.
Wallace need to improve very much especially in his reaction and general defensive skill. I prefer we replace Wallace with someone better. Radu is not on the level when he was young anymore.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: blue_sky on July 04, 2017, 06:44:34 AM
some report that Biglia being interested by PL which are MU, Liverpool.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/626691/Manchester-United-Transfer-News-Lucas-Biglia-Offer-Liverpool-Lazio-Gossip (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/626691/Manchester-United-Transfer-News-Lucas-Biglia-Offer-Liverpool-Lazio-Gossip)

so, a kind of Lotito type, hold the player until bid war..

and I guess we should look to Pasalic. We don't need any regista/deep lying midfielder (IF) DV is stayed.

Juve can maintain without regista because of their defender capable to distribute the ball such as Bonucci.

we had a good distribution ball for defender in Hoedt and DV.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: dinhochester on July 04, 2017, 08:40:20 AM
some report that Biglia being interested by PL which are MU, Liverpool.

[url]http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/626691/Manchester-United-Transfer-News-Lucas-Biglia-Offer-Liverpool-Lazio-Gossip[/url] ([url]http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/626691/Manchester-United-Transfer-News-Lucas-Biglia-Offer-Liverpool-Lazio-Gossip[/url])

so, a kind of Lotito type, hold the player until bid war..

and I guess we should look to Pasalic. We don't need any regista/deep lying midfielder (IF) DV is stayed.

Juve can maintain without regista because of their defender capable to distribute the ball such as Bonucci.

we had a good distribution ball for defender in Hoedt and DV.

Yes, the best regista is actually central defender because they see more of the pitch, not a midfielder.
Hoedt with his accurate long balls is our best regista.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: Cathal on July 04, 2017, 09:38:26 AM
No club or team actually requires a 'regista'. Lazio have chosen to go down that route with Biglia and it's brought a certain degree of success, but the idea that we can't adapt and play differently without him is overblown. If we play with four in midfield rather than five, problem solved. But we need to make sure the four in midfield functions properly.

I've said before, I think the first solution to life without Biglia is to try 3-4-2-1 with SMS and Anderson behind Immobile and Parolo + 1 (Murgia, Cataldi, new signing) in the centre.

The idea that we need de Vrij to build play from the back is also overblown. Statistically, de Vrij isn't any better at getting the ball forward than André Dias and no one ever talked about Dias' playmaking ability. Hoedt is the actual playmaker among our central defenders and he's no Bonucci.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: dinhochester on July 04, 2017, 09:49:27 AM
I somehow think that 3421 is considered by Inzaghi in order to accomodating Felipe Anderson which I dont like.
It is gonna sound weird, but I like formation with 3 digits like 352, 442 not 4 digits like 3421, or 4312, etc.
Because with 352 or 442 even 433, the positioning is more clear in the pitch hence it is also more easy and clear tactically during defense or attack. Somehow the 4 digits formation is a bit messy on the pitch.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: blue_sky on July 04, 2017, 10:08:09 AM
The idea that we need de Vrij to build play from the back is also overblown. Statistically, de Vrij isn't any better at getting the ball forward than André Dias and no one ever talked about Dias' playmaking ability. Hoedt is the actual playmaker among our central defenders and he's no Bonucci.

We have no choice in selecting the modern CB with playmaking ability. we only have Hoedt and DV at best. And it's hard to find such qualified CB with that capability.
The other choice is to find the Biglia type with 433. Bayern, RM and Barca are still used it with Torisso, Kroos and i forget the name in Barca.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: Cathal on July 04, 2017, 10:21:20 AM
We have no choice in selecting the modern CB with playmaking ability. we only have Hoedt and DV at best. And it's hard to find such qualified CB with that capability.
The other choice is to find the Biglia type with 433. Bayern, RM and Barca are still used it with Torisso, Kroos and i forget the name in Barca.

There's no need for centre-backs or central midfield players to be playmakers - it's not a rule. Years ago, every team either played through a playmaker behind a striker or strikers or they'd rely on wingers to create the opportunities - now there's so many ways to create chances.

Biglia is good at creating opportunities on the counter, but he's by no means a natural playmaker. Hoedt and de Vrij are capable with the ball but most teams that are ahead of us in European football have 2-3 centre-backs who are better at getting the ball forward than anyone we have. Hoedt plays a lot of long balls, but he's not especially good at it.

Biglia doesn't come close to Kroos in terms of playmaking ability, Tolisso isn't a distributor of the ball and therefore isn't comparable to Biglia. Busquets is probably the player Biglia is most similar to, but not sure many people would think that.

Anyway, we're getting off topic. My point is simply that there's way too much emphasis on certain individuals and their playmaking ability on this forum. Lazio do lack in dynamism and do need players who can create opportunities so I get the concern if these players leave, but what I want to emphasise is that part of the reason we struggle is because these guys just aren't as good at these things as is made out.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: dinhochester on July 04, 2017, 10:28:45 AM
Hoedt plays a lot of long balls, but he's not especially good at it.
https://youtu.be/0rjPd8LwE9s
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: Cathal on July 04, 2017, 10:39:45 AM
Hoedt plays a lot of long balls, but he's not especially good at it.
https://youtu.be/0rjPd8LwE9s

If you don't agree, that's fine, but sharing a link to a compilation where ADB has picked out Hoedt's best long balls doesn't prove me wrong - if I'd video editing skills, I could make Djordjevic look better than Lewandowski. Djordjevic isn't better than Lewandowski, so it's good I don't have video editing skills.

That video is 3-and-a-half minutes long, much of the footage isn't even long balls, and there are examples of some 'hit and hope' long balls and long balls that actually ended up with the opposition.

Something I always say when it comes to analysing this sport, but I might as well say it again - just because you do something often doesn't make you good at it. And the example I always give is Candreva crossing the ball more than anyone else in Serie A - he's obviously not a great crosser, but because he does it often, some will say otherwise.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: blue_sky on July 04, 2017, 11:07:40 AM
We have no choice in selecting the modern CB with playmaking ability. we only have Hoedt and DV at best. And it's hard to find such qualified CB with that capability.
The other choice is to find the Biglia type with 433. Bayern, RM and Barca are still used it with Torisso, Kroos and i forget the name in Barca.

There's no need for centre-backs or central midfield players to be playmakers - it's not a rule. Years ago, every team either played through a playmaker behind a striker or strikers or they'd rely on wingers to create the opportunities - now there's so many ways to create chances.

Biglia is good at creating opportunities on the counter, but he's by no means a natural playmaker. Hoedt and de Vrij are capable with the ball but most teams that are ahead of us in European football have 2-3 centre-backs who are better at getting the ball forward than anyone we have. Hoedt plays a lot of long balls, but he's not especially good at it.

Biglia doesn't come close to Kroos in terms of playmaking ability, Tolisso isn't a distributor of the ball and therefore isn't comparable to Biglia. Busquets is probably the player Biglia is most similar to, but not sure many people would think that.

Anyway, we're getting off topic. My point is simply that there's way too much emphasis on certain individuals and their playmaking ability on this forum. Lazio do lack in dynamism and do need players who can create opportunities so I get the concern if these players leave, but what I want to emphasise is that part of the reason we struggle is because these guys just aren't as good at these things as is made out.

I do agree we are getting off topic, but indirectly, we will go that discussion.
what Lazio done last season with Inzaghi is what we wiil build in this mercato.
Inzaghi doesn't so much dependent with Biglia with the way he set up the game, unlikely, compared to Pioli style.

from there we were gonna see what player comes and go.

It's very likely that Inzaghi will depend on modern CB and with what we have now, it's arguably on hand of DV and or Hoedt.

We have a chance to sign like Ganalons, Camacho, and other Biglia in capability but we don't.

So I am guessing whether Inzaghi will depend on modern CB and SS.
But Inzaghi
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: Cnon on July 04, 2017, 11:08:34 AM
Something I always say when it comes to analysing this sport, but I might as well say it again - just because you do something often doesn't make you good at it. And the example I always give is Candreva crossing the ball more than anyone else in Serie A - he's obviously not a great crosser, but because he does it often, some will say otherwise.

Not disagreeing with you but that doesn't mean that you can be decent at something even if you do it a lot. For example when Higuain won the capocannoniere title, he shot by far the most in the league: 5.2 times per match while the other top 5 shooters had less than 4 shots per game. Same goes to Candreva, he's not the most accurate crosser, but he's decent at it and getting to cross a lot is a skill too.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: Lazio Forever on July 04, 2017, 11:11:05 AM
Nestorovski is available for 10mil according to Palermo's president.
Perhaps good for vice Imobile position?
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: Cathal on July 04, 2017, 11:20:21 AM
Not disagreeing with you but that doesn't mean that you can be decent at something even if you do it a lot.

I presume you meant 'can't'?

I don't mind if someone thinks Hoedt is excellent at long balls, I'm just saying don't give me a link to a video someone created of his best bits to make a case because if someone does something so often, of course they are going to be successful some of the time. But I'm only interested in discussing all of the time.

It's a common sense point. If a kid plays tennis for 6 hours every day, they're probably going to be a pretty good tennis player - doesn't mean they're going to turn professional or be better than Roger Federer.

Similarly, I accept Hoedt is good at playing long balls because he does it often and does it for Lazio, but suggesting that Lazio are dependent on player x with qualities y is something I can't accept. I've followed Lazio for 22-23 years and seen various ways of going about the game and not much difference in results.

We don't need to play a certain way but many discussions lately are going in this direction; we need a RB who can cross, a vice-Immobile that can also be a replacement for Keita, defensive players who can do attacking duties etc.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: drazvan on July 04, 2017, 11:21:52 AM
One thing we need to remember is that the value of the player on paper means little. What matters on the balance sheets is the transfer amount. So yeah we could say that buying Milinkovic for 5 mil is great because his current value is 40 mil. The real question is will we sell Milinkovic for 40 mil? Looking in the past, the only big deals recently were Hernanes (11 mil -> 18 mil) and Candreva (9.5 mil -> 20 mil). Is somehow less impressing than bringing a player for 5 mil and selling him for 40. And it barely compensates the loss of losing De Vrij or Biglia for free for example or the price of Kishna's or Morisson's failure. So yeah - it's all nice that our player value is increasing, but we should also become better at taking advantage of that market value and making some smart deals. So yeah - I'm not saying that I agree with it fully, but I can see a point in people saying that Tare is doing a bad job.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: Cnon on July 04, 2017, 11:37:18 AM
Not disagreeing with you but that doesn't mean that you can be decent at something even if you do it a lot.

I presume you meant 'can't'?

I don't mind if someone thinks Hoedt is excellent at long balls, I'm just saying don't give me a link to a video someone created of his best bits to make a case because if someone does something so often, of course they are going to be successful some of the time. But I'm only interested in discussing all of the time.

It's a common sense point. If a kid plays tennis for 6 hours every day, they're probably going to be a pretty good tennis player - doesn't mean they're going to turn professional or be better than Roger Federer.

Similarly, I accept Hoedt is good at playing long balls because he does it often and does it for Lazio, but suggesting that Lazio are dependent on player x with qualities y is something I can't accept. I've followed Lazio for 22-23 years and seen various ways of going about the game and not much difference in results.

We don't need to play a certain way but many discussions lately are going in this direction; we need a RB who can cross, a vice-Immobile that can also be a replacement for Keita, defensive players who can do attacking duties etc.

Oh. Yes, that's what I meant. Should always re-read your own texts...

That's why I said "I'm not disagreeing with you" because I actually agree with you.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: Sile on July 04, 2017, 11:41:47 AM
If Hoedt keeps punting the ball forward game in game out it certainly has to be because he was instructed to do so? Meaning Inzaghi probably had a word with him about it?
If he sucked at it and kept lobbing the ball forward then the coach would certainly in a polite and respectful manner tell him to quit doing it.

Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: Cathal on July 04, 2017, 11:49:48 AM
If Hoedt keeps punting the ball forward game in game out it certainly has to be because he was instructed to do so? Meaning Inzaghi probably had a word with him about it?
If he sucked at it and kept lobbing the ball forward then the coach would certainly in a polite and respectful manner tell him to quit doing it.

I'm not saying he hasn't been instructed or that he sucked. What I'm saying is that he's not that good at long balls that Lazio are going to suffer creatively when he's not around.

I don't know how many times Hoedt played a long ball up to SMS, but based on the stats, I'd say 25-40% of the time, the opposition win that ball. If Hoedt was a long ball specialist and SMS a monster in the air, that number should be at 10-20%. But because it's successful more often than not, it's a percentage play and obviously something the manager is going to encourage.

All I'm really trying to say is that people can value Hoedt's playmaking skills, but for me, he's just not so brilliant on the ball to hide the fact that he's not great at defending. If he was to be moved on, providing we got a solid centre-back who can actually defend, I wouldn't be worried about our results.

Sure, you can argue that the frequency of Hoedt's long balls suggest Inzaghi encourages it, but the frequency with which Hoedt is on the bench also suggests Inzaghi doesn't think the same way as some here.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: Giolazio on July 04, 2017, 12:12:27 PM
Nestorovski is available for 10mil according to Palermo's president.
Perhaps good for vice Imobile position?

He's a good player but surely would mean 3-5-2 rather than making him vice-Immobile, he's too expensive. I think they could play together.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: Sile on July 04, 2017, 03:57:08 PM
Rumor of Rube offering money and Pjaca on loan for Keita.

Well, tht would have to be a lot of money because Pjaca suffered a serious injury recently
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: blue-white on July 04, 2017, 04:09:46 PM
Rumor of Rube offering money and Pjaca on loan for Keita.

Well, tht would have to be a lot of money because Pjaca suffered a serious injury recently

difficult to say - his last year was full of bad luck. The last injury was picked up during NT games....
The years before, he didn't have any other serious injury.

It's a risk - and i would definitely go for him with the option to buy for not a real big sum. This guy has so much talent. His pace and speed is great.

Very very difficult...but in the end...i don't even believe that rumor.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: blue-white on July 04, 2017, 04:18:54 PM
We should go for a goalkeeper soon....

Marchetti will not play anymore for Lazio...i guess, and we need a backup for Strakosha.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 04, 2017, 05:32:05 PM
Ilicic heading to Atalanta. Preparing for life without Gomez?
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: drazvan on July 04, 2017, 10:12:08 PM
Rumor of Rube offering money and Pjaca on loan for Keita.

Well, tht would have to be a lot of money because Pjaca suffered a serious injury recently

difficult to say - his last year was full of bad luck. The last injury was picked up during NT games....
The years before, he didn't have any other serious injury.

It's a risk - and i would definitely go for him with the option to buy for not a real big sum. This guy has so much talent. His pace and speed is great.

Very very difficult...but in the end...i don't even believe that rumor.

I would exchange Keita for Pjaca plus some good cash (10 mil). Problem is that Juve is not offering that. they offer some cash and Pjaca for a fixed 2 years loan. So we just train him and get him ready for Serie A, then they get him back.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: Nass on July 04, 2017, 10:16:15 PM
We should go for a goalkeeper soon....

Marchetti will not play anymore for Lazio...i guess, and we need a backup for Strakosha.

Amen to that! But I seriously doubt anything will happen on that front in this window tho! Tare brought Vargic for that so if he is not being moved on I guess Simoncino'll stick with Strakosha and Guerreri as he seems to have full faith in them to carry us on.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: Cathal on July 04, 2017, 10:54:17 PM
Club can wait until August for a goalkeeper if Strakosha is number one. Use pre-season to evaluate Guerrieri, who this time last year was rated higher than Strakosha, and Adamonis who the club have paid a lot of money for.

Might be an idea to sell Marchetti and Vargic before buying a goalkeeper also.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 04, 2017, 11:00:43 PM
Manuele Baiocchini from Sky saying that Lazio is everything but give up on renewals and that there are signs for optimism, especially regarding Keita and De Vrij.

Saying that regarding Keita, key player that Lotito intends to use in renewal is - Inzaghi. Simone would be ecstatic if young winger would stay for, at least, another year and voice is that Inzaghi is more closer to Keita than anybody recognize. Lazio doing everything to offer right renewal package to Keita and will try to do that before trip to Auronzo. Serves some more cash, according to Baiocchini.

Biglia's move to Milan is in dead end and negotiation between Lazio and Milan is over for long time ago. Milan offer 14 million, Lazio ask for 20 and that's pretty much it. Because of that, Lotito will offer new five years contract to Biglia (with option for sixth year and position in club after career end) with presumed wage around 3 million.

With De Vrij, Baiocchini says, situation is pretty much clear. If offer around 30+ million arrived - he'll be solved. If not, his contract will be renewed. Player and club pretty much have consensus about sell if right offer arrives.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: lazioserbia on July 04, 2017, 11:05:59 PM
Seems like Patric could be that key player also  :twinkle:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: Leontios on July 04, 2017, 11:07:11 PM
Manuele Baiocchini from Sky saying that Lazio is everything but give up on renewals and that there are signs for optimism, especially regarding Keita and De Vrij.

Saying that regarding Keita, key player that Lotito intends to use in renewal is - Inzaghi. Simone would be ecstatic if young winger would stay for, at least, another year and voice is that Inzaghi is more closer to Keita than anybody recognize. Lazio doing everything to offer right renewal package to Keita and will try to do that before trip to Auronzo. Serves some more cash, according to Baiocchini.

Biglia's move to Milan is in dead end and negotiation between Lazio and Milan is over for long time ago. Milan offer 14 million, Lazio ask for 20 and that's pretty much it. Because of that, Lotito will offer new five years contract to Biglia (with option for sixth year and position in club after career end) with presumed wage around 3 million.

With De Vrij, Baiocchini says, situation is pretty much clear. If offer around 30+ million arrived - he'll be solved. If not, his contract will be renewed. Player and club pretty much have consensus about sell if right offer arrives.

Great news if we manage to renew the contracts for De Vrij and Keita. Biglia on a five year deal on massive wages is a huge risk, though  :what:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: Cataldi4thewin on July 04, 2017, 11:14:18 PM
im not kidding when i say I think Keita would sign an extension if we extend Patric's contract. That actually might be the x factor here. Since Patric is considered on the market, well then Keita has no interest being at Lazio anymore.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: Evesto on July 05, 2017, 12:00:44 AM
I'm positive about keeping De Vrij and Keita.  De Vrij has been posing with Lazio shirts and fans during his vacation and Keita was posting pic on his profile of him training with the group today.  Those aren't signs of players leaving next week.

If keeping Patric would help then so be it, it's not uncommon these days.  Donnarumma demanded a 1mill contract for his brother before extending, same stuff.  Patric on the bench and only appearing in already won games or meaningless matches is a thing i can live with, that salary won't hurt the club for another year if it means keeping a talent like Keita to show of with in Europe and lure high bidders.

But i sincerly hope a longterm deal for Biglia doesn't happen.  As good as he is in his role we need a younger dynamic midfield.  We already have Parolo & Radu on a contract untill they retire and i hope we don't add to that anymore. 

But i have a feeling Biglia will refuse, it was thesame at Anderlecht, once he made up his mind he didn't even show up for training anymore.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: dinhochester on July 05, 2017, 02:55:05 AM
im not kidding when i say I think Keita would sign an extension if we extend Patric's contract. That actually might be the x factor here. Since Patric is considered on the market, well then Keita has no interest being at Lazio anymore.
Finally, we can have something more to offer than Juventus.
It is love.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: blue_sky on July 05, 2017, 05:24:02 AM
Manuele Baiocchini from Sky saying that Lazio is everything but give up on renewals and that there are signs for optimism, especially regarding Keita and De Vrij.

Saying that regarding Keita, key player that Lotito intends to use in renewal is - Inzaghi. Simone would be ecstatic if young winger would stay for, at least, another year and voice is that Inzaghi is more closer to Keita than anybody recognize. Lazio doing everything to offer right renewal package to Keita and will try to do that before trip to Auronzo. Serves some more cash, according to Baiocchini.

Biglia's move to Milan is in dead end and negotiation between Lazio and Milan is over for long time ago. Milan offer 14 million, Lazio ask for 20 and that's pretty much it. Because of that, Lotito will offer new five years contract to Biglia (with option for sixth year and position in club after career end) with presumed wage around 3 million.

With De Vrij, Baiocchini says, situation is pretty much clear. If offer around 30+ million arrived - he'll be solved. If not, his contract will be renewed. Player and club pretty much have consensus about sell if right offer arrives.

What's a good news !!!

At least we can compare apple to apple with basis of our roster for next season with previous season for one manager and can answer the question about 2nd phenomenon manager.
is it the manager to be blame ?
or is it management to be blame ?

Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: chandraicang on July 05, 2017, 07:12:00 AM
im not kidding when i say I think Keita would sign an extension if we extend Patric's contract. That actually might be the x factor here. Since Patric is considered on the market, well then Keita has no interest being at Lazio anymore.
Finally, we can have something more to offer than Juventus.
It is love.

Wkwkwk dinho  :razz:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: randy_laziale on July 05, 2017, 08:31:34 AM
just saw de vrij social media and i think he still in Netherland..

or he will skip the pre-season medical tests ?  :rolley: :rolley:



Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: lazioserbia on July 05, 2017, 11:05:58 AM
Why not try to exchange Biglia for Bacca?
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: Cathal on July 05, 2017, 11:17:23 AM
just saw de vrij social media and i think he still in Netherland..

or he will skip the pre-season medical tests ?  :rolley: :rolley:

Players that took part in internationals in the summer have not yet returned to Formello.

Why not try to exchange Biglia for Bacca?

Because the club haven't given up on keeping Keita, so which player would you want to put on the bench - Immobile or Bacca? And how do you convince Bacca to take a pay cut?

In my opinion, this club isn't interested in doing much business at the moment because they still believe they can keep Biglia, Keita and de Vrij. For as long as they believe that, they will continue to reject any offer that isn't completely insane.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: Cnon on July 05, 2017, 11:18:06 AM
Why not try to exchange Biglia for Bacca?

Then we would have to pay close to 10 million and I don't think we can offer his salary.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 05, 2017, 01:38:32 PM
http://www.football-italia.net/105276/milan-cut-bertolacci-losses (http://www.football-italia.net/105276/milan-cut-bertolacci-losses)

Might not be a bad deal, they get Biglia..we get money and Bertolacci.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: Cathal on July 05, 2017, 01:40:46 PM
I think we would have reservations about signing Murgia's brother-in-law that is a former 1927 youth product. That sounds like the exact kind of thing Lotito would sleep over.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: drazvan on July 05, 2017, 02:52:55 PM
I think we would have reservations about signing Murgia's brother-in-law that is a former 1927 youth product. That sounds like the exact kind of thing Lotito would sleep over.

I agree with that. Pure technically though, Biglia for Bertolacci plus 13 mil would be a good deal if you ask me. Bertolacci is 26 and he has the skills. Pitty about his attitude.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: Cnon on July 05, 2017, 03:11:18 PM
Bertolacci is mediocre player and has Roma youth behind him so why bother. But I'm gonna say that as a player I rate Bertolacci more than I rate Sturaro, so he wouldn't be a bad substitute player for us.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: Cathal on July 05, 2017, 03:27:38 PM
Couple of newsworthy stories perhaps.

1) Milan admitted Keita is no longer of interest. I assume that's because they chose Andre Silva or Hakan Calhanoglu or Fabio Borini or all three instead.

2) Cataldi to Benevento on loan said to be on the cards. I'd imagine if there's any truth in that, some are going to be shocked and/or appalled.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: drazvan on July 05, 2017, 03:32:39 PM
Cataldi on loan to Benevento is clearly a sign that he is not good enough. not saying that Cataldi is a spectacular player, but to be honest I fail to see how Inzaghi rates players like Murgia or Crecco as good enough for Lazio but Cataldi not. Especially with Biglia's possible departure and his injury record, I think Cataldi is not a bad sub to have on the bench. So I suspect that there is more to it - either Lotito does not like him or his agent or Cataldi asked to be a starter etc...
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: Akha on July 05, 2017, 03:38:45 PM
Cataldi to Benevento on loan said to be on the cards. I'd imagine if there's any truth in that, some are going to be shocked and/or appalled.

Or just sad/disappointed. Maybe Murgia will find more place in Inzaghi's team. I wonder what are we planning to do regarding the goalkeeper situation. I mean, I've been thinking of taking some Serie A - experienced portiere like Padelli  (now Inda) or Mirante, but I'm not sure they're good enough. Perhaps the club is ready to give Strakosha a shot and make him our number one, but still we need backup - I've seen nothing of Vargić / Guerrieri / Adamonis and we're playing in Europe so some experience would be a welcomed addition.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: Cathal on July 05, 2017, 03:49:04 PM
I don't know if we need to do anything about the goalkeeper situation. If Strakosha is our number one, then surely Vargic - given we paid almost 3 million for him and he's a Croatian international - is experienced enough to his understudy.

I know there was an article which suggested Lazio were going to sign an experienced goalkeeper to compete with Strakosha, but not sure why you'd keep Vargic and sell Marchetti - as appears to be the case - unless that was nonsense.

It's a weird situation. We seem to have three very talented young goalkeepers who might not be ready yet and two experienced goalkeepers who don't seem to make the grade these days. It's a nice problem to have, but it's one hell of a problem.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: dinhochester on July 05, 2017, 03:57:45 PM
i fear Marchetti football carreer is over.
He didnt go through the surgery rite?
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 05, 2017, 04:38:49 PM
From captaincy to Benevento road is short.  :razz:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 05, 2017, 05:40:22 PM
Mauricio interviewed for Messaggero and said that he has offers from Turkey, Spain and Russia and still to decide where will go. He spoke with Lazio and both sides agreed that he should find other team to assure him playtime.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: Sile on July 05, 2017, 06:35:39 PM
(http://www.politicamentecorretto.com/files.php?file=oh-noo_704701982.jpg)
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours 2017
Post by: Evesto on July 05, 2017, 11:21:16 PM
Camacho is close to Wolfsburg according german media, to replace Luiz Gustavo who joined Marseille.

The agent of Walace said there's no contact with Lazio and they are focussed on Hamburg.
So either the agent is 'stalling' or Biglia's possible successor is unknown at this point.


Will he stay or not, will Lazio still go with a regista, or will a dynamic CM be signed to and tactics and/or formationd be altered.  It's of huge importance this matter, not like any other position to fill or transfer to be made and it's keeping me nervous.  :um_face:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 06, 2017, 11:32:14 AM
I find it interesting that there's talk of Lotito and Keita meeting today. I've always felt that once Keita, Biglia and de Vrij went on vacation that there would be no serious attempt from the club to renew any of them. I mean, why would you try and renew contracts of players who are on holidays when they've spent the last 10 months on your doorstep? It simply doesn't make sense.

So the way I see the situation is as follows: Biglia told Lazio he wanted to leave before he went on vacation and no satisfactory offers have come to our table, and Keita and de Vrij have not yet been made an offer they cannot refuse.

I still believe, based on Inzaghi's incessant proclamations, that Keita, Biglia and de Vrij could renew their contracts. Inzaghi wouldn't have made such a fuss about the club needing to satisfy these players if he didn't believe they could be satisfied.

I suspect a situation that seems so complex is really rather simple. Put certain release clauses in Keita and de Vrij's deals and those two are signing new contracts - better to earn money and make move in future than make move in future and earn less now. Just seems Lazio are trying everything they can not to let these two go cheaply. But if we don't renew their contracts, that's going to happen in August or later anyway.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: drazvan on July 06, 2017, 11:38:14 AM
Rumor about a contract offer for Biglia: 5 years (!) for 2.5 mil per year + 500k in bonuses. In my opinion is insane. Having to pay Biglia 2.5 mil till he is 37 is just poor business. And Biglia would be incredibly stupid not to accept it.

Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: blue_sky on July 06, 2017, 12:24:46 PM
I think contractual of Biglia, if it's true, it's not about technically in field but also locker room and any non technically situation such rumors Keita-Patric dor example.
The same case for Klose when he got the highest paid in 34..
So i dont see insanity here but probability of non technical control.
Moreover, what if Biglia, in his 5 additional years for example, he got injured because of his ages, then he decide to retire so that Lotito shouldnt pay him ?
So it all is Lotito favour
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 06, 2017, 12:31:07 PM
I seriously doubt Biglia would retire early and give up 2.5 million per year in salary.

Long contracts is a way of getting around the salary cap. Instead of offering Biglia 5 million for 3 seasons, we can give him 3 million for 5 seasons and put 500k down as bonuses. Then he remains within the salary cap.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 06, 2017, 12:38:26 PM
Can someone give me some insight on FFP and the two Milano clubs please?

None of them have been in CL for ages now and are making like no prize money..their season card sales is going down as well...

How is it they can afford spending so much money every year and not violate the FFP rules? I'm looking at Milan mostly..They have spent over 100 mill euros already and they still haven't confirmed Conti, plus they are likely to sign 1 or even 2 more players after Conti

If you look back at the last 3 seasons Milan are in minus 200 mill euros when you look at transfers in and out..then add another 1-2 players and we could easily look at minus 250 mill euros..
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 06, 2017, 12:45:31 PM
Milan earn 200-250 million euro per year in revenue compared to Lazio who earn 80-100 million. That gives them 120-150 million more than Lazio to spend every year on whatever they want when it comes to FFP.

This season, they have received 'investment' from the new 'buyers' so they've more money than normal to work with without worrying about FFP.

That said, they know they are going to get in trouble with UEFA over FFP so they're already trying to do a deal with them. Inter have been in trouble with FFP and were sanctioned.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: dinhochester on July 06, 2017, 12:53:53 PM
Do you guys still think Biglia deserve the highest salary at Lazio?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: drazvan on July 06, 2017, 01:25:18 PM
Do you guys still think Biglia deserve the highest salary at Lazio?

Good question. All in all - I think yes. He is the captain and he is the most influential player. the question is: does he deserve twice as much as the rest (considering the whole deal, as Cathal explained - 2.5 mil for 5 years will be like 3.5-4 per year for 3 years). That I don't. Biglia will be for sure useful for the next 1-2 years, but he is not an irreplaceable player. Especially considering his injury record. I would really consider selling him OR pushing his hand to accept 2 mil for 4 years. I guess the real problem is that nobody will pay 15 mil for him now. But if he still pushes for the huge salary, I would take any 10 mil + player in exchange deal.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: moody on July 06, 2017, 02:08:25 PM
Do you guys still think Biglia deserve the highest salary at Lazio?

Good question. All in all - I think yes. He is the captain and he is the most influential player. the question is: does he deserve twice as much as the rest (considering the whole deal, as Cathal explained - 2.5 mil for 5 years will be like 3.5-4 per year for 3 years). That I don't. Biglia will be for sure useful for the next 1-2 years, but he is not an irreplaceable player. Especially considering his injury record. I would really consider selling him OR pushing his hand to accept 2 mil for 4 years. I guess the real problem is that nobody will pay 15 mil for him now. But if he still pushes for the huge salary, I would take any 10 mil + player in exchange deal.

For Biglia, he thinks the high salary is compensating for his previous lower salary.

He is a good player and worth it if he's motivated, but his attitude at switching to Milan is disappointing and I'd rather sell him for good than investing more at this stage.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: stefano_40 on July 06, 2017, 02:16:04 PM
Do you guys still think Biglia deserve the highest salary at Lazio?


http://ugif.ml/12416 (http://ugif.ml/12416)

No way. I've long thought he's an average player with a terrible attitude. When I think of leaders at Lazio. I think of Lulic, Radu, even Parolo gets the nod over Biglia. Its very superficial, he's an excellent captain when everything is going well, and disappears when he needs to steer the ship.

This apparent offer is ridiculous, especially considering the fiasco with Dr Vrij and Keita. He deserves a good contract, but not to that extent. 5 years for a guy with max 2 good seasons left is ludicrous.

Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: blue_sky on July 06, 2017, 02:44:03 PM
Do you guys still think Biglia deserve the highest salary at Lazio?

Good question. All in all - I think yes. He is the captain and he is the most influential player. the question is: does he deserve twice as much as the rest (considering the whole deal, as Cathal explained - 2.5 mil for 5 years will be like 3.5-4 per year for 3 years). That I don't. Biglia will be for sure useful for the next 1-2 years, but he is not an irreplaceable player. Especially considering his injury record. I would really consider selling him OR pushing his hand to accept 2 mil for 4 years. I guess the real problem is that nobody will pay 15 mil for him now. But if he still pushes for the huge salary, I would take any 10 mil + player in exchange deal.

For Biglia, he thinks the high salary is compensating for his previous lower salary.

He is a good player and worth it if he's motivated, but his attitude at switching to Milan is disappointing and I'd rather sell him for good than investing more at this stage.
Attitude? Which attitude do you means? Faking injured? Dismiss a training? Write on public by his own about the club?
I dont see all that things. If you see Keita, then you can mentioned one of that.
All toward Biglia is agent who try get money speaking to public
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 06, 2017, 02:59:59 PM
Attitude? Which attitude do you means? Faking injured? Dismiss a training? Write on public by his own about the club?

Are you referring to Keita or Biglia while he was at Anderlecht?  :whistle:

Biglia's behaviour in his career simply isn't that of a true professional. On the pitch, he's very professional but for the most part, so is Keita or Morrison or any other player with a reputation.

The bottom line is this - Biglia said he wanted to retire with Lazio, then a month later, he asks to leave. Unacceptable behaviour from a Lazio captain.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: blue_sky on July 06, 2017, 03:21:45 PM
Attitude? Which attitude do you means? Faking injured? Dismiss a training? Write on public by his own about the club?

Are you referring to Keita or Biglia while he was at Anderlecht?  :whistle:

Biglia's behaviour in his career simply isn't that of a true professional. On the pitch, he's very professional but for the most part, so is Keita or Morrison or any other player with a reputation.

The bottom line is this - Biglia said he wanted to retire with Lazio, then a month later, he asks to leave. Unacceptable behaviour from a Lazio captain.

I tend to use Keita as a basis tough.  :razz:
I dont mean also to use a "previous" club issue as a basis for bad attitude.
I never judge Keita for what he was in Barca. But as a  Lazio player.
That's an agent said it. Agent is paid for what they do like that..selling a profile
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 06, 2017, 03:26:57 PM
I'm not here to judge anyone and I appreciate that what Biglia did at Anderlecht doesn't really concern me as a Lazio fan, but it's something I'd certainly take into consideration when trying to understand what's going on. You won't convince me a large part of the reason people here have concerns about Keita is down to how his exit from Barcelona was portrayed, so I don't see why it should be different for Biglia.

I'm a stickler for fairness - I don't know why Biglia's admirers generally cannot acknowledge what are, for me at least, clear character concerns. I don't see his behaviour as being any better than Keita's.

He has been here for four seasons and had the captain's armband for three of those seasons, and all that time, I've not been convinced he wanted to be here. Last I heard, he wants to be in Milan or the Premier League rather than Lazio. Why wouldn't people question him?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: blue_sky on July 06, 2017, 04:41:51 PM
I wasn't portrayed Keita where he was in Barca nor Biglia in Anderlect then reflect it to their current behavior. If it was you thinking that way, then it is fine. But that's not important thing,for me, as a Lazio fan.
Keita wrote on Twitter by himself, obviously and realized, about bad things while he earn or make a living from Lazio? Have Biglia done that?
While in my Country and probably in Italy what Keita did can be charged with law or by the club to put sanction, can we charged Biglia by saying something that could be not from his mouth? I dont think so.

Lazio is kind club i guess, many past player with not good past behavior, can come here. Morrison, Keita, Biglia etc.

And then a captaincy, as i remember Pioli in his interview said that mostly player selected Biglia. And inzaghi also give armband to Biglia. Inzaghi have a choice and his choice is him. I am telling this captaincy because some people make and excuse about this and feel that he should be a saint, a one man club or others.

I am repeating again thats an agent said not the player. You see how Riola work or Mendes. It's fine because that's their job. Selling profile, bargained. And this is summer Mercator, with one year left contract. What do you expect ?

All in all, Biglia is doing his interests smoothly while Keita don't
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Silindeee on July 06, 2017, 05:05:52 PM
Why it seems weird for Biglia to want to change club ? He wants something more challenging i think, that can provide him maybe CL experience or a championship. He knows he is near the end of his career and wants something new i guess. How can you judge that as a bad thing.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Dakiller961 on July 06, 2017, 05:15:18 PM
Why it seems weird for Biglia to want to change club ? He wants something more challenging i think, that can provide him maybe CL experience or a championship. He knows he is near the end of his career and wants something new i guess. How can you judge that as a bad thing.

Sure, and that is not the issue here is it ? the problem is that he stated wanting to stay, one month later he wants to leave. all of this whilst he is captain. is it because he saw the money coming from Milan which he did not expect ?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: moody on July 06, 2017, 05:28:29 PM
Action speak louder than words. There's a time when Biglia has serious doubts of staying at Lazio and performed really bad, then one day he said he thinks he's going to stay and plays much better.

And back to words, if the agent said he declared to leave 1 month ago, it's very likely true since the player would deny such strong statements if he thinks opposite. And after all, the agent represents the player on contractual issues, so why pretend he didn't want to leave?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 06, 2017, 05:43:33 PM
Keita wrote on Twitter by himself, obviously and realized, about bad things while he earn or make a living from Lazio? Have Biglia done that?
While in my Country and probably in Italy what Keita did can be charged with law or by the club to put sanction, can we charged Biglia by saying something that could be not from his mouth? I dont think so.

This is where I completely disagree with you.

The statement Keita put on Twitter has the same format as each of Calenda's statements and the statements of Keita's brother. That statement was most probably not Keita's own words. It is very likely Keita's agent advised him to publish that statement and he did what he was told. That's why most ex-players in the media keep saying things along the lines of 'Keita is a really nice guy, but he's badly advised'. I think most people, including the management at Lazio, recognise that Calenda is the problem.

Whereas Biglia said in an interview that he was close to signing a contract that would see him retire at Lazio and that that was his wish. Then his agent - who he pays money to represent his interests - said they've told the club he wants to leave.

I get that publishing a statement that says you are not going to pre-season training camp is viewed as unprofessional, but the reason why Lazio are not punishing Keita for each of his indiscretions should be clear - they've no legal grounds to do so. Keita participated in training so they can't sue him for breach of contract, they've no evidence that he was faking injury, no evidence that he has signed a pre-contract agreement etc.

I agree with you that Biglia is representing his interests in a smoother manner, but what should that matter? Keita hasn't been a model pro, neither has Biglia.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: stefano_40 on July 06, 2017, 05:57:52 PM
Keita wrote on Twitter by himself, obviously and realized, about bad things while he earn or make a living from Lazio? Have Biglia done that?
While in my Country and probably in Italy what Keita did can be charged with law or by the club to put sanction, can we charged Biglia by saying something that could be not from his mouth? I dont think so.

This is where I completely disagree with you.

The statement Keita put on Twitter has the same format as each of Calenda's statements and the statements of Keita's brother. That statement was most probably not Keita's own words. It is very likely Keita's agent advised him to publish that statement and he did what he was told. That's why most ex-players in the media keep saying things along the lines of 'Keita is a really nice guy, but he's badly advised'. I think most people, including the management at Lazio, recognise that Calenda is the problem.

Whereas Biglia said in an interview that he was close to signing a contract that would see him retire at Lazio and that that was his wish. Then his agent - who he pays money to represent his interests - said they've told the club he wants to leave.

I get that publishing a statement that says you are not going to pre-season training camp is viewed as unprofessional, but the reason why Lazio are not punishing Keita for each of his indiscretions should be clear - they've no legal grounds to do so. Keita participated in training so they can't sue him for breach of contract, they've no evidence that he was faking injury, no evidence that he has signed a pre-contract agreement etc.

I agree with you that Biglia is representing his interests in a smoother manner, but what should that matter? Keita hasn't been a model pro, neither has Biglia.

Personally, the major difference between the two, and the real issue, is that Biglia is our captain. He is meant to be essentially the "model professional" at Lazio. Keita is a 22 year old kid. Still shouldn't have it out of him but its much more justifiable than to see our own captain playing games with the club, which is just not acceptable in my eyes.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: valdanito on July 06, 2017, 07:18:27 PM
Keita wrote on Twitter by himself, obviously and realized, about bad things while he earn or make a living from Lazio? Have Biglia done that?
While in my Country and probably in Italy what Keita did can be charged with law or by the club to put sanction, can we charged Biglia by saying something that could be not from his mouth? I dont think so.

This is where I completely disagree with you.

The statement Keita put on Twitter has the same format as each of Calenda's statements and the statements of Keita's brother. That statement was most probably not Keita's own words. It is very likely Keita's agent advised him to publish that statement and he did what he was told. That's why most ex-players in the media keep saying things along the lines of 'Keita is a really nice guy, but he's badly advised'. I think most people, including the management at Lazio, recognise that Calenda is the problem.

Whereas Biglia said in an interview that he was close to signing a contract that would see him retire at Lazio and that that was his wish. Then his agent - who he pays money to represent his interests - said they've told the club he wants to leave.

I get that publishing a statement that says you are not going to pre-season training camp is viewed as unprofessional, but the reason why Lazio are not punishing Keita for each of his indiscretions should be clear - they've no legal grounds to do so. Keita participated in training so they can't sue him for breach of contract, they've no evidence that he was faking injury, no evidence that he has signed a pre-contract agreement etc.

I agree with you that Biglia is representing his interests in a smoother manner, but what should that matter? Keita hasn't been a model pro, neither has Biglia.

I completely agree that biglias future has to be considered too. I completely agree that we should really think if we want to keep him as captain.

What i dont understand is why when biglias agent speaks, its biglia who pays him and so says what biglia wants, but when its keitas agent then hes just badly advised. I dont think you are being fair there.

That said, and being a huge buglia fan, I am not sure I want him to stay. Same goes for keita. Simply based on that both went very public about it, different to de vrijs case I suppose.

If they do stay, i will continue to support them, if they leave I wont be loosing much sleep.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 06, 2017, 08:36:47 PM
What i dont understand is why when biglias agent speaks, its biglia who pays him and so says what biglia wants, but when its keitas agent then hes just badly advised. I dont think you are being fair there.

I didn't say Keita was badly advised.

Both of them have to take responsibility for their agent's behaviour and neither agent has behaved to my liking. Difference is, I have had a problem with a lot of things Biglia has actually said himself in the last three years - never heard a bad word out of Keita's mouth.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 06, 2017, 09:38:57 PM
After seeing that Argentina shirt, surely Biglia can't leave...I mean for ffs he would wear the captains armband with that shirt on!
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 07, 2017, 12:23:11 AM
Premium Sports claims Inter would make a bid of 30mill for Felipe Anderson + a 2 year loandeal for Gabriel Barbosa to Lazio.

Sky & Dimarzio claim our talented youngster Manolo Portanova is moving to Juventus.    :wuzz:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 07, 2017, 12:39:14 AM
Portanova to Juventus could haunt us for the next couple of decades. Might end up being the one piece of business this summer that affects the club the most in the long-term.

Also illustrates one of the reasons I'm not as keen as most to put a lot of effort into our youth system. If the son of a self-proclaimed die- hard Laziale is prepared to jump ship to Juve then what good is it developing any talent?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 07, 2017, 12:51:45 AM
Portanova to Juventus could haunt us for the next couple of decades. Might end up being the one piece of business this summer that affects the club the most in the long-term.

Also illustrates one of the reasons I'm not as keen as most to put a lot of effort into our youth system. If the son of a self-proclaimed die- hard Laziale is prepared to jump ship to Juve then what good is it developing any talent?

Think so to.  Now that we have a prospect that is actually showing signs of greatness he would already move to Juve.  Like you said, what's the use then of even having a youth system.

If this happens then management should simply never talk about any project or system or whatsoever.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 07, 2017, 01:06:37 AM
If he's so talented why was he never called up to the first team?

The news sites makes it sound like the deal is already done. How are they able to take him, we didn't sign a contract with him?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 07, 2017, 01:22:52 AM
If he's so talented why was he never called up to the first team?

The news sites makes it sound like the deal is already done. How are they able to take him, we didn't sign a contract with him?

He's 17y old, maybe still a little to soon to bring him into the first squad.

He's probably now at 17 as good as Murgia was at 19, so clearly a kid with a future.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 07, 2017, 01:25:33 AM
You know what, if he moves to juventus then fu ck him..

I'm already tired of all these Lazio players who call themselves laziali but they don't give a shit about the club. His social media page is full of lazio posts about how much he loves the club and he's said in interviews he's proud of the father son laziale heritage.

If he's leaving for juventus already now then he's just another Another fake Laziale, crowd pleaser
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 07, 2017, 01:54:48 AM
You know what, if he moves to juventus then fu ck him..

I'm already tired of all these Lazio players who call themselves laziali but they don't give a shit about the club. His social media page is full of lazio posts about how much he loves the club and he's said in interviews he's proud of the father son laziale heritage.

If he's leaving for juventus already now then he's just another Another fake Laziale, crowd pleaser

Most of them are Ilsempre, don't think we have a single youngster in the first team that isn't thinking about their next club and some aim to do a little crowdpleasing whilst going along.

It's the way it is.  Sergej is tapping the shield on his chest continuesly but he's thinking beyond Lazio for sure.  I don't have a problem with that when they are giving their all on the field, and Sergej does so we should wish him all the best once he moves on (not to soon i hope).  Only players like Parolo and Radu who have a contract to retire here aren't thinking further anymore. 

But if we have 1 primavera player showing signs he might become something more and he's already leaving without every reaching the first team that the club has issues, not the youngsters.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: dinhochester on July 07, 2017, 03:37:18 AM
It also depend on each player quality.
If Parolo or Radu has top serie A ability, they might also want to go Juve.
But they might realize, they are not that good and Juve wont want them, so why bother.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: valdanito on July 07, 2017, 03:40:53 AM
It is very disappointing news. I guess there was not much the club could have done about it.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: flurffmeister on July 07, 2017, 08:09:06 AM
Why it seems weird for Biglia to want to change club ? He wants something more challenging i think, that can provide him maybe CL experience or a championship. He knows he is near the end of his career and wants something new i guess. How can you judge that as a bad thing.

Sure, and that is not the issue here is it ? the problem is that he stated wanting to stay, one month later he wants to leave. all of this whilst he is captain. is it because he saw the money coming from Milan which he did not expect ?

what money? he was offered 3.2 at Milan while we offered him 2.8 plus bonuses which brings the total up to 3 million euros.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 07, 2017, 08:23:07 AM
Portanova - die-hard Laziale family. (cit.)  :razz:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Dakiller961 on July 07, 2017, 08:58:41 AM
Sky & Dimarzio claim our talented youngster Manolo Portanova is moving to Juventus.    :wuzz:
wow how easily you guys are fragile and can be turned on our own players by the media !
you all want Lazio players to be die Hard fans of our beloved club and pledge allegiance, but the minute you hear a rumour in the news ( might be true or not) you turn 180 degrees, bash our players as if they are satan. no wonder these players want to leave !

haven't you learned that 98% of transfer rumours are pure bullshit !
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 07, 2017, 09:07:20 AM
haven't you learned that 98% of transfer rumours are pure bullshit !

This isn't merely a rumour though, more of an announcement from Di Marzio. It could be BS, but I'm not expecting it to be because the leading journalist in the field wouldn't be so insistent if he was unsure.

And if a Laziale with a die-hard Laziale father and Laziale agent decides to leave Lazio, then that's genuinely the story of the window so far.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Dakiller961 on July 07, 2017, 10:05:43 AM
haven't you learned that 98% of transfer rumours are pure bullshit !

This isn't merely a rumour though, more of an announcement from Di Marzio. It could be BS, but I'm not expecting it to be because the leading journalist in the field wouldn't be so insistent if he was unsure.

And if a Laziale with a die-hard Laziale father and Laziale agent decides to leave Lazio, then that's genuinely the story of the window so far.

Can you pls tell me what did the famous leading journalist in the field broadcast this year and how many have been true ? all of them ? half ? 20% ? 1% ?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Hadi Van Der Vaart on July 07, 2017, 10:07:14 AM
It's really surprising if Portanova jr really moves to juve, after all what his dad said was just bullshit. This is just what I think, could it be because we never call him to the first team while Foloruonsho n Abukar made it? Or he is just not as loyal as we thought.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: randy_laziale on July 07, 2017, 10:11:22 AM
about Portanova (if the news is legit), we see in the past talented player like Petrucci and Macheda leave primavera for another team, and i can't say that they have a decent career path..

but Portanova case, of course different, because he go from one decent serie A team (unfortunately i can't say we are the best team though  :laziostend:) to leading serie A team for the past 5 years.. he has a better chance to be a rising star in the next 3-5 years than Petrucci or Macheda..

i just hope Lotare do their best to hold 1 of our future talent..

 :offlag: :offlag:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: drazvan on July 07, 2017, 10:12:50 AM
Portanova to Juventus could haunt us for the next couple of decades. Might end up being the one piece of business this summer that affects the club the most in the long-term.

Also illustrates one of the reasons I'm not as keen as most to put a lot of effort into our youth system. If the son of a self-proclaimed die- hard Laziale is prepared to jump ship to Juve then what good is it developing any talent?

Is Portanova jr that good?

I mean I remember so many discussions around youngsters moving around - Seck to merda, before that losing Faraoni to Inter/Udinese, Macheda to Man U, Rozzi to real, even the Cataldi saga. none of them really made it.

And Juve is the biggest club in Italy at the moment. They attract talent from all over Italy. Not really sure why this would be such a huge surprise. Di Canio played for Juve, Napoli and Milan. We are not really expected to keep all youth at the club forever.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: randy_laziale on July 07, 2017, 10:16:36 AM
Is Portanova jr that good?

yeah, actually how good he is?  :rolley: :rolley:

Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 07, 2017, 10:17:56 AM
Can you pls tell me what did the famous leading journalist in the field broadcast this year and how many have been true ? all of them ? half ? 20% ? 1% ?

There is a difference between saying club x are interested in player y or club x have made an offer for player y and saying club x have signed player y.

Di Marzio is based in Milan and he says yesterday, Portanova signed for Juventus, that Daniele Portanova was in Milan and did the deal. When Di Marzio says a player has been signed to a club, 99% of the time, he'll be correct.

I hope this is the 1%, but thinking it's just a rumour is kidology.

Portanova to Juventus could haunt us for the next couple of decades. Might end up being the one piece of business this summer that affects the club the most in the long-term.

Also illustrates one of the reasons I'm not as keen as most to put a lot of effort into our youth system. If the son of a self-proclaimed die- hard Laziale is prepared to jump ship to Juve then what good is it developing any talent?

Is Portanova jr that good?

I mean I remember so many discussions around youngsters moving around - Seck to merda, before that losing Faraoni to Inter/Udinese, Macheda to Man U, Rozzi to real, even the Cataldi saga. none of them really made it.

Well, I'll keep it simple - I never thought much of Seck, Faraoni, Macheda, Rozzi or Cataldi when they were in our youth ranks - I do think highly of Portanova.

But no doubt in my mind the kid would be better off at Lazio. That's why I find the situation puzzling and if this is true, I'm expecting to hear a lot more about it.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Stefano6 on July 07, 2017, 10:23:03 AM
Its not like hes going to get into the Juventus first team at 17, if he was ready, if he was that good we would have seen him in Serie A already.

So if he wants to take his chances elsewhere and turn his back on the club he claims to love, then let him, good luck but dont come crying back when you dont get to walk the field next to Buffon!

More likely its down to money. These things always are. Perhaps Juve offered him a better contract, or other incentives.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: drazvan on July 07, 2017, 10:27:41 AM
More annoying is that we sell Elez to Rijeka for 500k (after paying double that to buy it from them) - thtas the buyout clause they have in the deal, while they have an offer from Shalke for 5 mil euro. That's a good piece of business (if true). While Elez is a defensive midfielder who did not feature in a single game for us.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 07, 2017, 10:32:07 AM
I suspect Lazio have either not offered Portanova a professional contract and Juventus have, or Juventus have offered Portanova a more lucrative professional contract.

After Pellegri and Kean - two of the youngest players in Serie A history - Portanova might be the next best prospect for his age in Italian football. Lazio were sleeping on him for long enough, and I was expecting him to make his debut this season.

He could be the best midfielder in Italy if not one of the best in the world in 10 years time, or he could be plying his trade in Serie D. Who knows.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 07, 2017, 11:22:26 AM
Its not like hes going to get into the Juventus first team at 17, if he was ready, if he was that good we would have seen him in Serie A already.

So if he wants to take his chances elsewhere and turn his back on the club he claims to love, then let him, good luck but dont come crying back when you dont get to walk the field next to Buffon!

More likely its down to money. These things always are. Perhaps Juve offered him a better contract, or other incentives.

My previous post may have been harsh, but that was because i was really disappointed to read about this last night

Stefanos post sums up my feeling about portanova and the fact he seems to be leaving for juventus.

Lotito has some serious work to do because if this happens it's been a rough start to this mercato
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: gibson_lp2 on July 07, 2017, 12:19:29 PM
This portanova thing seems to be a done deal. Not a rumour.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Giolazio on July 07, 2017, 12:39:43 PM
Not gonna lie, I feel a bit sick...
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 07, 2017, 03:00:39 PM
Pedullà claims Lotito is in something of a pickle with Biglia and has to consider accepting Milan's offer for Biglia even if it's some way short of the asking price. Pedullà notes something I couldn't help observe also - Milan were quick to distance themselves from Keita, but they are keeping tight-lipped on Biglia - it must still be on.

What's interesting about Pedullà's claims however is that he believes Lapadula to Genoa is at a standstill because Lapadula wants Lazio.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Sile on July 07, 2017, 03:15:19 PM
And Biglia is said not to be leaving for Auronzo
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 07, 2017, 03:21:43 PM
And Biglia is said not to be leaving for Auronzo

I think the club have no choice but to keep Biglia in Rome until he signs a contract extension. Keita and de Vrij are in a different situation because they haven't told the club they want out.

Need to keep an eye on Felipe Anderson too. Inter supposedly offer 30 million and Gabriel Barbosa on loan. Noteworthy as Anderson's management are close to the Inter management and one agent says '100%' Inter have made an offer for Anderson.

One thing I think has maybe gone a bit under the radar - if Inzaghi is intent on 3-5-2 for next season, we can afford to sell Anderson, right? Doesn't fit in that system.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 07, 2017, 03:57:09 PM
because Lapadula wants Lazio.

Signing Lapadula would make it ridicolous to be getting rid of Djordevic..
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: phantomm1976 on July 07, 2017, 04:42:34 PM
If we sell FA....than F. This system.
 SMS also is one of the key player alongside FA.I mean that we can cover Biglia and Keita roles easier than FA-SMS. Same for DV-if we use 352 than his absence want be to big(it would,but with 3 cd-s its easier to defend).
 Gabigol ? No thanks.
 Lapadula ?- why ?!!!!!
 From Gomez-Serdar-Klassie-Calhanouglu.....we came in position to be happy if we keep FA-SMS. Lotito style.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 07, 2017, 04:45:59 PM
Sky & Dimarzio claim our talented youngster Manolo Portanova is moving to Juventus.    :wuzz:
wow how easily you guys are fragile and can be turned on our own players by the media !
you all want Lazio players to be die Hard fans of our beloved club and pledge allegiance, but the minute you hear a rumour in the news ( might be true or not) you turn 180 degrees, bash our players as if they are satan. no wonder these players want to leave !

haven't you learned that 98% of transfer rumours are pure bullshit !

Turn on a player?  Where in that sentence or in the post do i turn on the player, please show me? 
In the end i even defend him, but you chose to only quote 1 sentence, that's smart.

I never wrote he's actually out, i wrote that 2 sources 'claim' he's out.
Below i wrote, the club has issues if youth talents leave, not the youngsters.

In a following post i gave my opinion about the 'die hard laziale thing'.  Guess you didn't grasp or read that either?

If you want to spit out stuff in the future please pick the right post to reply on, i'm the last person to jump on rumours without proof, you would know that when reading posts more closely before 'reacting'.  There's a difference in posting a rumour and believing it ......
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 07, 2017, 05:00:43 PM
Need to keep an eye on Felipe Anderson too. Inter supposedly offer 30 million and Gabriel Barbosa on loan. Noteworthy as Anderson's management are close to the Inter management and one agent says '100%' Inter have made an offer for Anderson.

One thing I think has maybe gone a bit under the radar - if Inzaghi is intent on 3-5-2 for next season, we can afford to sell Anderson, right? Doesn't fit in that system.

It's why i posted it right away because i believe it'd actually true.  It was waiting untill Joorabchian acted after becoming Felipe's agent.  It's been quiet but here it is now.  He wants money out of his new client and the only way to get that is a transfer.  He's close to Inter and they might need to replace Perisic.

But a straight loan (Barbosa) isn't Lotito's way, unless there's a buyout, and they paid 29mill.  Not happening.

Felipe had his first good spell here as a LW and he could play like that again there.  He's not liking the wingback role either,  all factors to push him away.  Like you said, if 352 is the option for most used formation next season, Felipe is the only player out of place.

It is how it is, i'm not liking it personally.  I still favour a shifting 433 and would even opt for Keita stepping in for Ciro from time to time, and Felipe back on the left, adding a new rightwinger with a good left foot. 'I'm pro inside moving wingers, always dangerous.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 07, 2017, 05:36:38 PM
Latest on Biglia is that he's scheduled to have medical tests tomorrow, but his agent arrives in Rome tonight and rumours of cash plus Lapadula for Biglia are on the rise.

La Repubblica claiming Conte wants Keita at Chelsea.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 07, 2017, 05:48:18 PM
Latest on Biglia is that he's scheduled to have medical tests tomorrow, but his agent arrives in Rome tonight and rumours of cash plus Lapadula for Biglia are on the rise.

La Repubblica claiming Conte wants Keita at Chelsea.

Imagine this mercato

Signing a nobody
Losing our biggest talent
selling Biglia and getting small sum of cash and a serie b striker

Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 07, 2017, 05:56:40 PM
The pessimism for Lapadula is lost on me.

He scores an absurd number of goals in B and is linked with us, most are intrigued. He proves he's capable of scoring in Serie A, then no one wants him.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: blue-white on July 07, 2017, 05:59:44 PM
Lapadula is a great player. A fighter...like Immobile. Both in a 2 men striker formation would be massive.
10 mill + Lapadula and I bring personal Biglia to Milano.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: moody on July 07, 2017, 06:02:04 PM
I don't think we play well with 3-5-2, we got results cause we punish weaker teams with Ciro and Keita, and relying on their individual efforts rather than an organized attack. I understand FA's intent to leave and Inter is always a likely destination for Lazio players, but 30m plus Gabigol is not a good deal. Gabigol most likely wouldn't be a starter here also and that provides little value if any. Rather take 40-45m than this loan. And it's also strengthening our direct rivals to add to bitterness.

Also who are we going to rely on for creativity when FA is gone? He is the best player for first half of the season and he is the one who assists while Keita and Immobile does the scoring.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Rizmo on July 07, 2017, 06:31:11 PM
Yeah I don't understand the criticism towards Lapadula and that we could just stick with Djordjevic instead. Lapadula started 12 games and scored 8 goals which is almost as many Serie A goals as Djordjevic has during 3 years.

I'm not convinced Lapadula and Ciro would work together but we'll have many games next season and it'd be good to have Lapadula in the team. Two motivated hardworking italian strikers fighting for a place in the WC team will be a big boost for us.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Stefano6 on July 07, 2017, 06:38:00 PM
I like Lapadula, I saw Milan in December st the San sito and he was one of the few that impressed me.

I'd be ok with cash plus him for Biglia, provided we use that cash to buy someone like Clasie or De Roon as is still rumoured
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 07, 2017, 06:51:11 PM
Lapadulas technique is pretty poor and I'd be worried he's yet another clumsy striker to join our team. With the way we play I'd love to have someone who is quick and with good technique..
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 07, 2017, 06:56:20 PM
With the way we play I'd love to have someone who is quick and with good technique..

You are describing Lapadula. He is literally quick with good technique.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cataldi4thewin on July 07, 2017, 06:57:14 PM
Lapadula is a good player. He makes things happen in the opponents final third. His movement, his timing, his positioning, his finishing is all really good. Sort of reminds me of an Inzaghi type player. I would like Lapadula and should be considered a major increase in quality from Djordevic.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 07, 2017, 06:57:34 PM
With the way we play I'd love to have someone who is quick and with good technique..

You are describing Lapadula. He is literally quick with good technique.

Checked with some of my Milanista collagues (don't ask) and they said he's useless and compared him Pippo Inzaghi, but without the technique and goal scorer instinct  :supsmile:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cataldi4thewin on July 07, 2017, 06:58:37 PM
With the way we play I'd love to have someone who is quick and with good technique..

You are describing Lapadula. He is literally quick with good technique.

Checked with some of my Milanista collagues (don't ask) and they said he's useless and compared him Pippo Inzaghi, but without the technique and goal scorer instinct  :supsmile:

without? Perhaps you didn't hear him correctly.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 07, 2017, 07:00:08 PM
With the way we play I'd love to have someone who is quick and with good technique..

You are describing Lapadula. He is literally quick with good technique.

Checked with some of my Milanista collagues (don't ask) and they said he's useless and compared him Pippo Inzaghi, but without the technique and goal scorer instinct  :supsmile:

without? Perhaps you didn't hear him correctly.

No I definitely heard them correctly, especially the useless part.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 07, 2017, 07:12:33 PM
No goalscoring instinct? 26 goals in one season in Serie B and one goal per 156 minutes in Serie A last season says otherwise.

Those Milan colleagues of yours are permanently on the same substance a lot of people here take after a loss.

Lapadula is lightning fast and has the technique of Ronaldinho compared to Djordjevic. He has physical limitations and that's where Filip would definitely have the edge.

Lapadula would be a good acquisition but only if the price is right.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Akha on July 07, 2017, 07:29:46 PM
Lapadula's contract ends in 2021 and according to Gazzetta earns 1 mln a year. Quite surprising tbh. But idk, I think I'd rather took just cash but time's running out and having Lucas walking away for free in year's time is not an option, is it?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 07, 2017, 07:46:56 PM
The other thing I'll say about Lapadula is this: he literally did the job for Milan that Lazio fans want someone to do this season. He scored goals off the bench and when their main striker was out, he scored goals in his absence.

Djordjevic has shown he is capable of scoring in Serie A and Europa League, the problem is that he hasn't shown that form recently. But surely if you are going to oust him, you need someone who has that form? That rules out anyone outside of Serie A and anyone who didn't score heavily last season. It leaves you looking at Lapadula or guys like Borriello and Quags.

I think expectations are out of hand. Personally, I think Inzaghi will try to rediscover Djordjevic and assess where Palombi is in his development before we go to market for a striker. I know there's talk of Azmoun for 10-12 million but Lazio should only spend that money if Keita leaves.

One of the things I said last summer is that it made no sense for us to spend big money on both Wallace and Bastos because at least one of them wouldn't play and as it turned out, Bastos played very little and Wallace wasn't a regular either. The same now applies to the striker - we can't spend 10+ million on someone to be counted upon when Immobile is tired or unfit - that might only be 5 games in the whole season.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: javier erfi lopez on July 07, 2017, 08:13:53 PM
I think the main point we should remember is that we are looking for a bench player to be a great substitution for Immobile, and not a first striker. Keeping that in mind, I think Lapadula would be the best pick :vcool:! He has a great experience playing in Serie A, compare to Djrojovic who was great in France but useless in Serie A. He already played for one of the most prestigious clubs in the world, so he has professional manner and confidence. And finally, for sure he is looking to prove himself under the shadow of Immobile or whenever we need to play wth two forwards. Therefore, I %100 will go with Lapadula.

... However, there is just one problem in this deal!!! And that's if we get rid of Lucas, who will be our next playmaker :ohnoo:?! For sure on our current roster, no one is suitable to pick up this role. (I like Cataldi, but he is far from a top class playmaker). Just and just, if we bring a top class playmaker with that money, which I doubt :whistle:, we will be able, I'll go with this deal!
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 07, 2017, 08:46:05 PM
I'm just not that impressed with Lapadula, but maybe I have too high expectations for a back up striker that we're going to sign..*shrug*

For me it's scary that we're heading into preseason training now and we're still none the wiser when it comes to contract issues with Keita, Biglia and De Vrij.

Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 07, 2017, 09:39:32 PM
I'm just not that impressed with Lapadula, but maybe I have too high expectations for a back up striker that we're going to sign..*shrug*

I wouldn't like to answer this question myself so I guess it's a bit mean to ask it, but, have you any names in mind as to how you might like?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cataldi4thewin on July 07, 2017, 09:45:36 PM

No I definitely heard them correctly, especially the useless part.

Ok so you definitely should stop asking them questions about Milan regardless of the fact their Milan fans.

Lapadula's strength is finishing and they said his finishing isn't good. They could have picked any other attribute about Lapadula and it would have been more believable.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 07, 2017, 10:17:16 PM
I'm just not that impressed with Lapadula, but maybe I have too high expectations for a back up striker that we're going to sign..*shrug*

I wouldn't like to answer this question myself so I guess it's a bit mean to ask it, but, have you any names in mind as to how you might like?

You're probably going to think I'm insane, but I'd much rather go with palombi than end up in a deal where signing lapadula can end up costing us like 12 mill euros over a period of 4 years. 8 mill transfer sum + 4x 1 mill euros salary.

I am full aware that relying on palombi is big risk, but I like that risk more than paying what lapadula would cost.

Other than that I don't really know, problem is these inflated prices. I would have been happy to see jovetic here but yeah..

Personally, I think this mercato is going to be a big flop. Many things happening that is affecting us right now...the way the market operates right now is above our ability, the club completely dropped the ball on contract extensions (which has always been lotito Achilles heel) and the fact our squad is thin with wide gap between best and next in line

To summon it up in on sentence, I feel we can't afford replacing any players that leaves us and therefore we will either leave this mercato in a weakened state or delay the inevitable which means we lose 3 profiles without getting any money from them.

Ps: writing this makes me even more confused about that first player we bought, we literally have no money now :D
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 07, 2017, 10:23:14 PM
Many rumours that Romario Benzar is still on Tare's radar.

I'm certainly not against, with him and Marusic we would already have succession for Basta and it would exclude Patric, who would be better of going somewhere more his level.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 07, 2017, 10:45:37 PM
You're probably going to think I'm insane, but I'd much rather go with palombi than end up in a deal where signing lapadula can end up costing us like 12 mill euros over a period of 4 years. 8 mill transfer sum + 4x 1 mill euros salary.

I am full aware that relying on palombi is big risk, but I like that risk more than paying what lapadula would cost.

Other than that I don't really know, problem is these inflated prices. I would have been happy to see jovetic here but yeah..

Personally, I think this mercato is going to be a big flop. Many things happening that is affecting us right now...the way the market operates right now is above our ability, the club completely dropped the ball on contract extensions (which has always been lotito Achilles heel) and the fact our squad is thin with wide gap between best and next in line

To summon it up in on sentence, I feel we can't afford replacing any players that leaves us and therefore we will either leave this mercato in a weakened state or delay the inevitable which means we lose 3 profiles without getting any money from them.

Ps: writing this makes me even more confused about that first player we bought, we literally have no money now :D

You make a lot more sense to me at least when you write posts like this. Not that I think you talk nonsense when you keep it brief, just that I get where you are coming from when you elaborate.

Many rumours that Romario Benzar is still on Tare's radar.

I'm certainly not against, with him and Marusic we would already have succession for Basta and it would exclude Patric, who would be better of going somewhere more his level.

I think the media have wrongly assumed Marusic coming in ousts Patric. Spizzichino got his debut because of problems at both left and right wing-back and Radu, Basta and Lukaku are not the healthiest fellows by any means. Marusic threatens to get in the first eleven and helps us avoid a crisis where we end up having to play Spizzichino et al.

If we were to let a wing-back go, wouldn't be surprised to see us sign Benzar or another.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 07, 2017, 11:23:02 PM
But let's not neglect that Benzar also plays CM and RM. 
1 or 2 previous rumour reports hinted towards him as a Parolo backup.

Signing Marusic and looking at Benzar all point out that the club is clearly only looking at versatile players.
This points in the direction of using more then 1 formation on a regular bases and maybe also towards a more narrow roster in the near future.  Inzaghi doesn't like a big group, as he said himself this season.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: flurffmeister on July 08, 2017, 09:24:04 AM
Lapadula is a great player. A fighter...like Immobile. Both in a 2 men striker formation would be massive.
10 mill + Lapadula and I bring personal Biglia to Milano.

there is no way Lotito will accept such an offer , they paid 9 million for Lapadula last year and made him sit on the bench so his value has decreased enormously so 15 million plus Lapadula yes you have the green light !
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Secret_Samadhi on July 08, 2017, 10:27:28 AM
Biglia didn't turn up for medical check up. What a great leader and a capitano. Fuk him, sell him or give him a one way ticket to the freezing stands, I don't care.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: dinhochester on July 08, 2017, 10:37:00 AM
Did it also happen while he was in Anderlecht?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 08, 2017, 10:40:38 AM
I know you guys would love Benzema as perfect backup for Immobile, but it won't happen.  :razz:

Would take Lapadula, perfect backup.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 08, 2017, 11:48:36 AM
It is being suggested Djordjevic will miss pre-season training as a deal with Genoa is in place.

As Genoa were said to be close to Lapadula, but the player was said to want Lazio, I wonder if Lapadula is indeed part of the Biglia negotiations.

We're going to find out a lot soon when the club announced who is going to Auronzo di Cadore. Marchetti, Biglia, Djordjevic all expected to stay in Rome and will Keita make the bus this time?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cnon on July 08, 2017, 11:51:36 AM
I can confirm pretty much 100% what Ilsempre said about Lapadula, Milan fans don't rate him highly. Way too clumsy for a big club like Milan. Hardworking and pretty fast and very likeable guy but not a great striker. But I do think that he would fit better for us than Djordjevic, but neither are good enough really. Rather get a talent who can grow (like Keita did) than either one.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 08, 2017, 11:59:28 AM
I can confirm pretty much 100% what Ilsempre said about Lapadula, Milan fans don't rate him highly.

We're talking a minute percentage of Milan fans here, not enough to make statements such as 'Milan fans don't rate him highly'.

Secondly, the guys ilsempre spoke too inadvertently summed up why they don't rate him - they compared him to Pippo Inzaghi, even if he was a poor man's Inzaghi.

A poor man's Inzaghi is more than good enough to be Lazio's back-up striker next season. And I'd be keen to hear what Pescara fans think of Lapadula more than Milan to be quite honest. When was the last time any club's fanbase rated a bench player?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: moody on July 08, 2017, 12:48:11 PM
Tell your Milan friends about Djordjevic who scored 0 goals in Serie A this season and they'll start reassessing Lapadula.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cnon on July 08, 2017, 12:57:04 PM
I can confirm pretty much 100% what Ilsempre said about Lapadula, Milan fans don't rate him highly.

We're talking a minute percentage of Milan fans here, not enough to make statements such as 'Milan fans don't rate him highly'.

Secondly, the guys ilsempre spoke too inadvertently summed up why they don't rate him - they compared him to Pippo Inzaghi, even if he was a poor man's Inzaghi.

A poor man's Inzaghi is more than good enough to be Lazio's back-up striker next season. And I'd be keen to hear what Pescara fans think of Lapadula more than Milan to be quite honest. When was the last time any club's fanbase rated a bench player?

The thing is that Lapadula would be a decent enough backup striker for us but imo he costs way too much. We are losing 10ish million euros and getting imo a mediocre striker. With 10 million we got Anderson or Sergej and there were plenty of money to use somewhere else. I would assume that we could get a better striker than him with that 10 million. Who might potentially be worth 40 million in few seasons. Lapadula won't ever be worth more than 10-15 million.

When it comes to rating bench players, why are you assuming that fans always underrate bench players. You certainly rated Kozak very highly and so did I. And even at the moment some of us rate Luis Alberto highly. Or Lukaku. Or even Bastos. But who rates Djordjevic highly? Probably only me and even I can easily say that he isn't good enough for Inzaghi's Lazio.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Rizmo on July 08, 2017, 01:03:08 PM
Why do ppl think we'll pay 10m for Lapa? Only way he's coming here if he's included in the Biglia transfer. And not for a 10m deduction of the price.

Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 08, 2017, 01:04:31 PM
When it comes to rating bench players, why are you assuming that fans always underrate bench players. You certainly rated Kozak very highly and so did I. And even at the moment some of us rate Luis Alberto highly. Or Lukaku. Or even Bastos. But who rates Djordjevic highly? Probably only me and even I can easily say that he isn't good enough for Inzaghi's Lazio.

You are answering your own question here - the fans who rate bench players tend to be in the minority. I don't know what the consensus is among Milan fans regarding Lapadula, but I don't expect them to be positive about him. If Messi sat on the Milan bench every week and got 10 minutes here and there, I wouldn't think most would rate him either. That's just human nature.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Silindeee on July 08, 2017, 01:19:31 PM
The point is , if he comes to lazio to sit on the bench again..whats the difference between us and milan for him.
If he comes in for 10-15 mins i dont think we will either high rate him
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cnon on July 08, 2017, 01:26:49 PM
Why do ppl think we'll pay 10m for Lapa? Only way he's coming here if he's included in the Biglia transfer. And not for a 10m deduction of the price.

Of course we are not paying 10 million for him but we are basically losing 10 million (or whatever the sum is) in cash if we accept him part of the deal. I'd rather get that 10 million (or 8-9 million) in cash and get a talent like Anderson or Sergej. Sure, if Milan offer 20 million + Lapadula, then I'd agree it immediately. But the deal is most likely 10 million + Lapadula.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Rizmo on July 08, 2017, 01:43:01 PM
Thing is, Milan won't offer us the money many of you expect so it's either Lapa+some cash or nothing.
We won't get 20m for Biglia. We might get 10+Lapa. It's flawed logic to think we lose 10m in such a deal.

Inzaghi will probably play Immobile and Lapadula together so he would get much more gametime here then in Milan.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Secret_Samadhi on July 08, 2017, 02:13:18 PM
Lapadula was almost a Lazio player last season before he choosed Milan and we got Ciro instead. I don't understand why Milan is holding back on money for Biglia while splashing out 40 milipn at some anonimus Portugese Silva.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: moody on July 08, 2017, 02:20:18 PM
Biglia is old and not really worth much. Most of us say there's at most 2-3 years left of him so 20m valuations were unrealistic and brought joy at first. Now the papers say 15m it's more reasonable and frankly only Milan or Inter would pay that kind of money.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: edo_shehb on July 08, 2017, 02:24:54 PM
I take lapa and whatever cash milan give, yes I'm that desperate for a figure signing  :wuzz:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 08, 2017, 03:01:40 PM
I take lapa and whatever cash milan give, yes I'm that desperate for a figure signing  :wuzz:

He's not a figure signing though, but likely to become a bench player

I can't imagine a scenario where Lapadula is starting next to Immobile. What about Keita and Felipe?

Would take Keita second striker over Lapadula any day and I'd also take Palombi over Lapadula.

Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 08, 2017, 03:03:40 PM
http://www.football-italia.net/105432/biglia-moves-closer-milan (http://www.football-italia.net/105432/biglia-moves-closer-milan)

15 mill euros, I get it's as high an amount we're going to get.

Disappointing though as Lotito will not sign a direct replacement but instead likely 2-3 players of 5 mill euros each who are all a big step down from Biglia.

Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Giolazio on July 08, 2017, 03:06:29 PM
[url]http://www.football-italia.net/105432/biglia-moves-closer-milan[/url] ([url]http://www.football-italia.net/105432/biglia-moves-closer-milan[/url])

15 mill euros, I get it's as high an amount we're going to get.

Disappointing though as Lotito will not sign a direct replacement but instead likely 2-3 players of 5 mill euros each who are all a big step down from Biglia.


How do you know? We have always made a big signing after selling one of our 'star' players.

Anyway let's not get too attached to the thought that Biglia needs to be directly replaced. We might have an entirely new shape in midfield.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 08, 2017, 03:15:08 PM
Selling player considering 'key one' in past brought some good results in near future. Hoping for same here.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 08, 2017, 03:18:34 PM
Biglia is old and not really worth much. Most of us say there's at most 2-3 years left of him so 20m valuations were unrealistic and brought joy at first. Now the papers say 15m it's more reasonable and frankly only Milan or Inter would pay that kind of money.


I wouldn't want Lazio to pay 20mill for Biglia either but let's not exagurate.  He's just turned 31 and us still valued 20mill on the ratingsites, he still delivers a direct impact, that's why Milan still want him and haven't gone with a different DM yet.  Milan want to be big right away because they need to.  The investment is so big they need to win big immediatly.  It's Serie A, in the past players have been at their best in this league at 32, 33.  15mill is a fair price for sure, not lower.  Especially since Milan overpaying left and right.  They paid double price for Silva and Conti, crazy!

If we get less but a serious discount on a good usefull younger player ready for the first team then that's fine, but besides Lapadula there's no other good options to get from Milan unless it's 30y olds.  There's also prospect youth with Calabria and Locatelli, but they won't give them up.

But i don't think Lapa will end here.  Players leaving richer Serie A clubs simply never come to Lazio.  Always or to midtable clubs like Genoa for example.

[url]http://www.football-italia.net/105432/biglia-moves-closer-milan[/url] ([url]http://www.football-italia.net/105432/biglia-moves-closer-milan[/url])

15 mill euros, I get it's as high an amount we're going to get.

Disappointing though as Lotito will not sign a direct replacement but instead likely 2-3 players of 5 mill euros each who are all a big step down from Biglia.


How do you know? We have always made a big signing after selling one of our 'star' players.

Anyway let's not get too attached to the thought that Biglia needs to be directly replaced. We might have an entirely new shape in midfield.


Fully agree. Sergej was signed for 5 mill.  :twinkle:

If we get prospects and 1 or 2 becomes big at a young age is jackpot again.  We are not under pressure like Milan,  all we achieve more in the future is bonus.  Not having to depend on a regista is a big plus, let's modernize a little.

If we play 433 there's other styles possible, like Sergej directing the attack and 2 cleaners behind him.
And in 352, the central CB is more of a regista, with a dynamic midfield.  The reason why is was keen on getting Gonzalo.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 08, 2017, 03:26:43 PM
What about Eder behind Immobile?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 08, 2017, 03:31:24 PM
I can confirm pretty much 100% what Ilsempre said about Lapadula, Milan fans don't rate him highly. Way too clumsy for a big club like Milan. Hardworking and pretty fast and very likeable guy but not a great striker. But I do think that he would fit better for us than Djordjevic, but neither are good enough really. Rather get a talent who can grow (like Keita did) than either one.

I have one collegue who's a big Milan fan and his entourage is reluctant about Silva.  They don't know what to expect from that kid who cost a fortune.  He's not wild about Lapadula but appreciates his effort and scores whenever he get's a spot in the team. 

The only player he and his friends in Milano detest is De Sciglio.  That surprised me, but it seems he's lazy, spoiled and selfish.  He's skilled but afraid of hard work, they want him gone.

My collegue is a realistic fellow so i won't ignore this.  Hopefully Inzaghi doesn't ask for him, he would not be 'non mollare mai' at all.  If Cataldi caused issues in training imagine what effect De Sciglio would have.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: valdanito on July 08, 2017, 03:51:03 PM
Do we want to improve on last season? Are we looking for someone to play alongside immobile or someone as his backup?

If its for backup im ok with lapadula or eder, if its to play as starters then god help us. We are looking or suggesting players that couldn't cut it in teams that finished below us.

Mercato is far from over, but i always get the impression lazio lacks ambition and the way we work wont see us improve ever on the table.

If i could tAke a guess from all the rumors ad of now, my guess would probably not even reach europe ...
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: dinhochester on July 08, 2017, 04:20:52 PM
Is Lapadula a fit player or not?
Is he injury prone?
Is the reason he get small playtime because of injury or what?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cataldi4thewin on July 08, 2017, 04:30:38 PM
This time last year we all had our fingers crossed to sign Lapadula.

Now he got 8 goals 3 assist as a bench player and we don't want him no more lol. His tally could have double that if he was their main striker all year instead of Bacca.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 08, 2017, 06:53:44 PM
Di Marzio saying that we have a deal in place with Genoa for Djordjevic, with Genoa negotiating with player now, while our interest for Perin still on with him target for number 1.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Alsalman on July 08, 2017, 07:11:23 PM
Do we want to improve on last season?


Mercato is far from over, but i always get the impression lazio lacks ambition and the way we work wont see us improve ever on the table.

If i could tAke a guess from all the rumors ad of now, my guess would probably not even reach europe ...

Those are the key comments.... it's like we aim to maintain the status quo at max every year... No one is saying spend 100 million ... but what's going on is bad

We can't renew for players who are good (we only blame players not our inability as a club to resign while smaller clubs can do it)

We can't sell for high values even though smaller clubs are able to do so

We don't sign players who lift the team .... even when we have the ability...

It's a shame but so far I can't see us even competing for a top 5 finish the way things are going
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Rizmo on July 08, 2017, 07:26:54 PM
Di Marzio saying that we have a deal in place with Genoa for Djordjevic, with Genoa negotiating with player now, while our interest for Perin still on with him target for number 1.

Djordjevic not with the team when they departed for Aurozo so something is up. No Biglia and Marchetti either. Lulic and Parolo to join later. Keita on the plane with the team  :scarfup:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 08, 2017, 07:35:02 PM
Di Marzio saying that we have a deal in place with Genoa for Djordjevic, with Genoa negotiating with player now, while our interest for Perin still on with him target for number 1.

Keita on the plane with the team  :scarfup:

Car didn't broke up this year.  :wow:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Sile on July 08, 2017, 09:37:27 PM
Cataldi to be sold and not loaned to Benevento? Strange
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 08, 2017, 09:45:01 PM
Cataldi to be sold and not loaned to Benevento? Strange

Cataldi's stocks fell down dramatically during last season and - if this rumor is true - inclined to believe that Lazio decided to give up on him more than Benevento would want to buy him. Benevento can't fork up fortune for him.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 08, 2017, 10:44:22 PM
Cataldi to be sold and not loaned to Benevento? Strange

Cataldi's stocks fell down dramatically during last season and - if this rumor is true - inclined to believe that Lazio decided to give up on him more than Benevento would want to buy him. Benevento can't fork up fortune for him.

Let's wait untill the club announces the deal, i have huge doubts.  But if true and it's a full sale then i'm stunned.  What can Benevento afford, and if so how much will Lotito ask.  Unless Cataldi sunk 90% of his value it's hard to believe this deal.  Or maybe it will be payable over several terms.

Either way if he goes to Benevento the Lazio think even less of him then i do, and trust me he's not in my topshelf by far.

Di Marzio saying that we have a deal in place with Genoa for Djordjevic, with Genoa negotiating with player now, while our interest for Perin still on with him target for number 1.

Djordjevic not with the team when they departed for Aurozo so something is up. No Biglia and Marchetti either. Lulic and Parolo to join later. Keita on the plane with the team  :scarfup:

Keita still with the team, that's good news.  Marchetti and Djordjevic not, even better.

But is Cataldi with the team at current, that would show how close the Benevento rumour is?

Rumour that Parolo has an issue that might keep him out of the Supercoppa, not liking the sound of this.

-----------------

Lot's of fangroups scream for Falcinelli as Ciro's backup. 
It's said he has offers from Samp and Udinese but is waiting for Lazio by preference.
Personally i can't see the attraction towards this players, a side from the several tap in goals he scored this season.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 08, 2017, 11:44:40 PM
Sky reporting that Benevento will pay 5 million for Cataldi's transfer + 25 percent of future sale.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 08, 2017, 11:50:41 PM
Sky reporting that Benevento will pay 5 million for Cataldi's transfer + 25 percent of future sale.

Wow, how will that go, surely not over 1 season.  I was afraid we would be getting like 2mill or so.

Meanwhile media are linking Di Gennaro to join as a free agent to 'replace' Cataldi.
Strange rumour, a 29y old who's been a constant loanout player his entire career.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 08, 2017, 11:53:45 PM
Sky reporting that Benevento will pay 5 million for Cataldi's transfer + 25 percent of future sale.

Wow, how will that go, surely not over 1 season.  I was afraid we would be getting like 2mill or so.

Doesn't really matter to us. As long as Benevento may guarantee for that money, we can guarantee further and put that money in transfers this summer.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 08, 2017, 11:58:05 PM
Sky reporting that Benevento will pay 5 million for Cataldi's transfer + 25 percent of future sale.

Wow, how will that go, surely not over 1 season.  I was afraid we would be getting like 2mill or so.

Doesn't really matter to us. As long as Benevento may guarantee for that money, we can guarantee further and put that money in transfers this summer.

Sure, great news.  Didn't expect that figure because of Benevento, altough it's surely not high in reality.
He's still young and talented, anything less would be a little under value.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 09, 2017, 01:47:58 AM
Marchetti, Djordjevic and Cataldi are not in the official list of players convened for Auronzo di Cadore. Interestingly, Lucas Biglia is convened.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: phantomm1976 on July 09, 2017, 11:31:51 AM
 Maybe that move is to put more pressure on Milan - took more money from them.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Secret_Samadhi on July 09, 2017, 12:02:57 PM
Didn't Biglia slamed Keita last summer when he refused to fo to pre-camp? Now he is doing pretty much the same thing. What a caracter.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Rizmo on July 09, 2017, 12:07:02 PM
Didn't Biglia slamed Keita last summer when he refused to fo to pre-camp? Now he is doing pretty much the same thing. What a caracter.

He's not refusing. He were permitted to have two extra days of holiday and are scheduled to return tomorrow.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 09, 2017, 12:12:09 PM
Reports about agreement between lazio and milan for biglia now. 16 mill + 4 in bonuses

Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 09, 2017, 12:27:12 PM
Reports about agreement between lazio and milan for biglia now. 16 mill + 4 in bonuses

Last 2 days the media claimed Milan tried with 13mill + Lapadula, but Lazio argued the value of the player.

If so, Lazio was probably not that keen of getting a player this way and have other plans up front.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: edo_shehb on July 09, 2017, 01:25:20 PM
Afair, the only succesful Player+cash Transaction Lazio ever did was Diego Simione + cash for Vieri, I cant recall any other for the life of me, so its no wonder if lotare doesnt really interested in this scheme
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 09, 2017, 01:36:14 PM
Pandev was also part of a deal that sent Stankovic to Inter.

Not that I hold Pandev in high esteem, but some might say he had a good impact on the club
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 09, 2017, 01:56:13 PM
These kind of deals are not that common but in addition to Pandev, I'd say Foggia worked out for us as well. Sure, he divided opinion when he was here but we made our money back on him with our loan deals and he had a spell in the team.

I can't think of many swaps that didn't work out for us.

Regarding Biglia, I think there's a lot of BS in the media. I had my doubts about him skipping the medical because the media implied the same with Marchetti earlier in the week and I don't think that was the case either. No doubt that schedules changed, but not convinced for the reasons the media gave.

That said, I did notice something during the week - Abukar Mohamed seemed to be promoted midweek. He didn't seem to be part of the pre-season plans, then he was training with the full team. I have to think that he got the call up because there is some sort of doubts about Biglia's participation, even if it's just that he needs a more measured fitness schedules given his age and his international commitments. But of course, it could be that he won't see out pre-season.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 09, 2017, 02:01:25 PM
La Repubblica giving us Ozyakup as target for midfield (as traditional every summer), with his contract runs out netx summer and having SEG as agency. Lazy rumor, but should keep tabs on it.

Some reports that Tare and Calveri are out of Rome for couple of days and implying that some transfer in is on table.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 09, 2017, 02:13:40 PM
Afair, the only succesful Player+cash Transaction Lazio ever did was Diego Simione + cash for Vieri, I cant recall any other for the life of me, so its no wonder if lotare doesnt really interested in this scheme

A fact i stated before during the latest rumours.  Swapdeals or part money exchanges practicly don't happen under Lotito, so i didn't expect the Lapadula thing now either.  If it was ever on the cards that is?  I still expect him at Genoa and Djordjevic left a side, remaining here still or abroad.

If Simeone goes to Viola i can't see them settling for Djordjevic.  Genoa has sold big in the last year, they should be able to get Lapadula.

It's strange these rare swaps or part exchanges under Lotito,  i have tought it could have some administrative or financial reason but i can't think of any.  Maybe he just doesn't except any player being forced his way unless he gets to pick one.

La Repubblica giving us Ozyakup as target for midfield (as traditional every summer), with his contract runs out netx summer and having SEG as agency. Lazy rumor, but should keep tabs on it.

Some reports that Tare and Calveri are out of Rome for couple of days and implying that some transfer in is on table.

Well if Calveri is with it's to put pen to paper right?  I would guess either they are sure Biglia is out and they are going for that replacement or it's for that extra fullback the media keeps hinting at. 

Could be since Lulic is training on LCM, leaving Lukaku with no competition unless Marusic moves over.   
So RB or LB might be on the table. 

Suddenly Laxalt is going trough my mind again, could Lotito pull that of with his 'pall' Presiozi?
Dreaming out loud here a little, but still concidering Lukaku is turning out to be an injury troubled player (that's a first for us aye?  :twinkle:) there's no other left footer for the wing here as alternative except Crecco.

Since Lulic, Alberto, Parolo, Sergej and Murgia can all play mezzala i'm not expecting that Onazi replacement anymore, so i think all possible incoming positions can be : GK, DM, striker or fullback.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 09, 2017, 02:14:26 PM
I saw an article linking us with Thiago Maia..if I'm not mistaken we've been linked with him before

20 years old and already 70 league matches for Santos. I'm definitely intrigued, but can't say I've seen much of the guy as I stopped following the Brazilian league

Wonder if we're going to be linked with Toloi this summer...
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 09, 2017, 02:15:31 PM
Kolarov is a signing that would make a lot of sense for us right now..probably our weakest position and is very versatile.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 09, 2017, 02:28:14 PM
Kolarov is a signing that would make a lot of sense for us right now..probably our weakest position and is very versatile.

We are not weakest at left wing-back and Kolarov would only hinder Lukaku's development and our manager clearly likes Lukaku.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 09, 2017, 02:31:41 PM
Kolarov is a signing that would make a lot of sense for us right now..probably our weakest position and is very versatile.

We are not weakest at left wing-back and Kolarov would only hinder Lukaku's development and our manager clearly likes Lukaku.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Kolarov play LB in a 4 man defence both with us and Man City?

He's been in City for long now and under different managers, pretty sure they have switched between 3 and 4 man defence over the years..

I'm still not convinced Inzaghi is sure what formation we're playing next year. So many unanswered questions when it comes to the mercato..
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 09, 2017, 02:36:50 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Kolarov play LB in a 4 man defence both with us and Man City?

He played both left-back and left wing-back for us. At City, he's also played at left centre-back. He would compete with Radu, Lukaku, Crecco and Lulic for one spot.

He's probably better than them, yes, but not by enough to warrant spending money on him when he's 32 next season and we're serious about developing Lukaku.

In my opinion, Lazio now need a striker imminently, since they didn't take Djordjevic to Auronzo di Cadore. It's more of a necessity if the player is going to come in from abroad. If Tare and Calveri are out of the country, it has to be for a striker in my view.

They also need to get a central-midfield player but they've needed to do that for 12 months so it can't be a priority.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 09, 2017, 02:39:22 PM
I don't think situation around mercato is such mystery as media trying to make out. Inzaghi clearly identified right side as problematic toward the season end and Tare went out to sign Marusic, who is, according to Magliocchetti, highly rated by both Inzaghi and Tare.

Backup for immobile will be sign only if Djordjevic goes out and we still have Biglia, De Vrij and Keita in squad so some big intros won't happen until we know solution for them.

I think Tare is primarily after one mezz'ala and rumors lately confirms that.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 09, 2017, 02:52:49 PM
Kolarov is a signing that would make a lot of sense for us right now..probably our weakest position and is very versatile.

We are not weakest at left wing-back and Kolarov would only hinder Lukaku's development and our manager clearly likes Lukaku.

Kolarov won't come back, that was a curtiousy talk he made a while ago. 

Yes Lukaku has been favoured with the derbies and all but for the rest he has been injured half the time he was needed to.
Luckely there's always Lulic to move around the lineup.

I saw an article linking us with Thiago Maia..if I'm not mistaken we've been linked with him before

20 years old and already 70 league matches for Santos. I'm definitely intrigued, but can't say I've seen much of the guy as I stopped following the Brazilian league

Wonder if we're going to be linked with Toloi this summer...

Affordable for us, most certainly.  Ready to start instead of Biglia if needed, no way imo.
Ideal to work up as an understudy but we have no need of this now with Murgia here.

Don't think you can expect any CB unless one leaves,  the roster is full.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Stefano6 on July 09, 2017, 03:15:54 PM
LLSN are persisting with the rumour that Falcinelli wants Lazio and has put on hold any other talks waiting to see what we do..

Apparently Inzaghi has indicated that the 2 strikers he wants are him and Lapadulla


Also the rumour that we are close to signing Davide Di Gennaro, free agent after leaving Cagliari. 
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 09, 2017, 03:24:02 PM
Di Gennaro could actually be a very astute signing. He's free and at the top of his game and could easily do more in 3 or 4 seasons with Lazio as some of these 10-15 million rated players we're being linked with. Obviously not an investment, but someone who has enough quality to do a job off the bench.

5 assists last season and he barely played, I assume because Cagliari had no reason to play him when they were safe. Kind of creative player that could make a difference.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Stefano6 on July 09, 2017, 03:28:24 PM
Was thinking the same thing, id be pleased if we signed him, good solid player, would do a job when asked and wouldnt complain about not playing every week. Quite versatile too, could probably fit in any of the midfield centre 3 if we play a 3-5-2.

Falcinelli, Immobile, Lapadula and Keita to cover 2 striker positions would be nice too. We are in 3 competitions, and Lapadula and Keita are versatile enough to also play other positions.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: lazioserbia on July 09, 2017, 03:46:18 PM
I think Lapadula would be a smart move because he still has a lot to prove and he didn't get the chance in Milan. And even though he didn't get the chance to show everything he's got he still managed to score goals and get assists...

Would be very interesting to see how Immobile and Lapadula would work together, if Inzaghi would field them together that is, Lapadula is the type of player who is difficult to mark, he's cunning and tricky, Immobile is maybe more ruthless and a better player all around because of his amazing work rate but since we will have a lot of games this season, especially the games in EL against weaker opposition, Lapadula could use those games to build up confidence and get into a good scoring form.

Media reporting that the Biglia deal is done, once again, with Milan paying 16 millions now plus 4 through bonuses.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Ed on July 09, 2017, 04:30:08 PM
Lapadula? Falcinelli? Why don't we just go for Simeone? If Fiorentina are after him then we should be too, he's younger than both those others and has a similar scoring record to Falcinelli. With him and Immobile both very mobile up front we would be able to play Anderson as number 10 and Lulic and Basta as wing backs. I think that would negate the probable loss of Keita and give us a more solid midfield with Milinkovic, Parolo plus one (Brocchi type warrior needed!).
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 09, 2017, 04:40:51 PM
Lapadula? Falcinelli? Why don't we just go for Simeone? If Fiorentina are after him then we should be too, he's younger than both those others and has a similar scoring record to Falcinelli. With him and Immobile both very mobile up front we would be able to play Anderson as number 10 and Lulic and Basta as wing backs. I think that would negate the probable loss of Keita and give us a more solid midfield with Milinkovic, Parolo plus one (Brocchi type warrior needed!).

Serious question about Simeone: what has he got going for him other than the fact he scored 11 goals last season and his dad is Diego?

When I see him play, I see a seriously ordinary footballer who was taking all his chances for a few months and then disappeared.

Couldn't that also be said of Djordjevic? He also had a good 3 month spell in Italy and then faded into obscurity.

Why would we pay 20 million on a player who could very easily be no better than Djordjevic? Just because he's younger?

I just wonder how many people want Giovanni Simeone because of who he is rather than what he is.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 09, 2017, 04:48:14 PM
LLSN are persisting with the rumour that Falcinelli wants Lazio and has put on hold any other talks waiting to see what we do..

Apparently Inzaghi has indicated that the 2 strikers he wants are him and Lapadulla


Also the rumour that we are close to signing Davide Di Gennaro, free agent after leaving Cagliari.

Falcinelli would have said he's got actual offers from Samp and Udinese but is waiting and hoping for Lazio to make a move.

If Inzaghi wants Lapa then it's even more awkward Lotito would have declined him in a deal with Biglia.  Maybe Lotito simply wants more room to negotiate once the Biglia thing is done.  But i don't think we should expect 2 new strikers if now, just if Keita would leave.  Otherwise there's no use of keeping one of Palombi or Lombardi around.  Personally i'd opt for 2 new striker to but i just don't expect it.

At first i tought, Di Gennaro, 29y old, been loaned out his entire career, not a starter at Cagliari.  Got's to be BS media crap.
But hearing and looking further, enough experience to be on the bench and step in where needed.  And probably no ambition to become a starter, could be a perfect situation.

Lapadula? Falcinelli? Why don't we just go for Simeone?

With prices of 18mill and more rumoured, don't think so.

And honestly (same opinion as Cathal) i don't see what he can offer that Lapa can't.
Even think Lapa is the better player, really.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: lazioserbia on July 09, 2017, 04:55:09 PM
What's happening with Portanova?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: valdanito on July 09, 2017, 05:19:14 PM
Can't believe you lot sometimes. Di gennaro?  Come on, he will surely be deadwood we will be praying to get rid of soon enough.

Its like some of you just want to agree with lotare just for the sake of it.

I personally want backup players to be young and ambitious, not the complete opposite.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 09, 2017, 06:23:13 PM
Can't believe you lot sometimes. Di gennaro?  Come on, he will surely be deadwood we will be praying to get rid of soon enough.

Its like some of you just want to agree with lotare just for the sake of it.

I personally want backup players to be young and ambitious, not the complete opposite.

That approach didn't exactly work two seasons ago when we had Onazi, Cataldi and Kishna as back-ups and we failed to make Europa League and they've subsequently - at least to this point - failed to make the grade.

Di Gennaro is one of the better affordable midfield prospects in Serie A. He's not at the same level as Parolo was at Parma, but he's not a million miles off that. If he wasn't a free agent, we'd be looking at 5-6 million to get him in my opinion. He's not a scrub - he delivered in Serie B and was delivering in Serie A until, I think, he got into a Marchetti-esque situation with Cagliari.

He offers guarantees that a foreign player won't be able to or, for that matter, Abukar Mohamed. I've taken note of what Inzaghi said about wanting Italians at the club and Di Gennaro is among the Top 5-10 midfielders we could realistically bring in from Italian clubs.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Stefano6 on July 09, 2017, 06:23:59 PM
When we have young and ambitious players, people bitch and moan when they then want to leave.

Theres nothing wrong with solid squad players, who can do a job when asked to and arent going to cause some drama asking for more money or play time at the nearest opportunity
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 09, 2017, 06:31:28 PM
When we have young and ambitious players, people bitch and moan when they then want to leave.


No no, people will say that experience should be crucial for somebody that enters from bench and, subsequently, club is wrong to afford men's job to boys.  :razz:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 09, 2017, 06:39:41 PM
Furio Fedele, journalist close to Milan, saying that Montella wants Biglia, Biglia wants Montella - but sale will only occur at Lotito's terms and that is what's keeping deal in balance for now.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 09, 2017, 06:46:30 PM
When we have young and ambitious players, people bitch and moan when they then want to leave.

Theres nothing wrong with solid squad players, who can do a job when asked to and arent going to cause some drama asking for more money or play time at the nearest opportunity

No no, people will say that experience should be crucial for somebody that enters from bench and, subsequently, club is wrong to afford men's job to boys.  :razz:

 :razz:

When it comes to back-up players, surely you ideally want players that offer guarantees coming off the bench and have the capacity or the potential to be starters in time. For that reason, in an ideal world, you'd want the back-up players to be younger and therefore Di Gennaro isn't ideal.

But I think we need to realise that sometimes someone less than ideal is better than individuals who look ideal in theory but don't deliver in practice. As much as I'd usually oppose a signing like Di Gennaro, at this stage, we just need anyone with any ability whatsoever to come in as we're so short in midfield.

Furio Fedele, journalist close to Milan, saying that Montella wants Biglia, Biglia wants Montella - but sale will only occur at Lotito's terms and that is what's keeping deal in balance for now.

Not sure you need to be close to Milan to know this. But in my opinion, Lazio will not get away with dragging this saga out as long as Keita and de Vrij. There needs to be looming ultimatums or deadlines.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: lazioserbia on July 09, 2017, 07:04:42 PM
Can't wait to see Biglia gone, I'm so fed up with his drama and requests...he wants to stay, then he doesn't, then he does and then he doesn't...and all of this while we are trying to make him the best paid player in the squad.

Never liked him as a captain anyway.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 09, 2017, 07:50:44 PM
Turkish media claiming that we had bought both Ozyakup and Selcuk Inan.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 09, 2017, 08:14:53 PM
Turkish media claiming that we had bought both Ozyakup and Selcuk Inan.

Can't imagine that being true...a 32 year old midfielder who never played outside of Turkey?

Ozyakup looks more interesting purely because he's 8 years younger, but

https://www.transfermarkt.com/oguzhan-ozyakup/verletzungen/spieler/77966 (https://www.transfermarkt.com/oguzhan-ozyakup/verletzungen/spieler/77966)

*shrug*

Not a big fan of signing players from Turkey. Few of them do well when leaving Turkey due to seemingly being unable to learn or settle in new culture, also they are hotheads and I am already loving how we won the last derby because we kept cool heads..
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 09, 2017, 08:19:54 PM
Portanova to Juve seems to be done

So much for "Di Padre in Figlio"

Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 09, 2017, 09:09:33 PM
Turkish media claiming that we had bought both Ozyakup and Selcuk Inan.

That's why it's 'turkish media'  :twinkle:, they can be funny ....

But about those players, Inan went straight downhill since 2013.  He's a shadow now from what he was before, so this better be tabloid crap. 

Ozyakup is a classy player, but i can't see Lazio spending 10mill or most certainly 10mill+ for an attacking cm while having Sergej, Alberto and Felipe.  This while most likely soon being in need of a controlling/defensive midfielder.

He's not a cm that contributes both ways, tackling and recovering is not his thing, so in that aspect not fitting for our style of midfield.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 09, 2017, 09:36:54 PM
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That's why it's 'turkish media'  :twinkle:, they can be funny ....

Well, not intending to make a case for Turkish media, but Italian media didn't hit a shit regarding Lazio during last month.  :razz:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 09, 2017, 09:49:08 PM
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That's why it's 'turkish media'  :twinkle:, they can be funny ....

Well, not intending to make a case for Turkish media, but Italian media didn't hit a shit regarding Lazio during last month.  :razz:

Sure thing, they really didn't.  But the rumour from them certainly takes it up another notch.  :beer:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Giolazio on July 09, 2017, 10:47:52 PM
Just catching up on the news. Falcinelli would be a signing I would really like to happen. He can be a great second striker or reserve prima punta when we want to rest Immobile. The guy will score goals for us.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 09, 2017, 11:21:59 PM
Di Marzio saying that Benevento will pay us between 6 and 7 million for Cataldi, with Lazio keeping right to re-buy Cataldi back for 12 million.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Akha on July 09, 2017, 11:36:43 PM
Di Marzio saying that Benevento will pay us between 6 and 7 million for Cataldi, with Lazio keeping right to re-buy Cataldi back for 12 million.

Now this is getting out of hand  :supsmile:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 09, 2017, 11:39:07 PM
Di Marzio saying that Benevento will pay us between 6 and 7 million for Cataldi, with Lazio keeping right to re-buy Cataldi back for 12 million.

If so that would be a very smart businessdeal.  Something that Lotito should provide after all.
Enough millions coming in concidering age and skill, so if he doesn't evolve big it's been a good profit.
If he would evolve big however he would still be affordable while eliminating other 'richer' competition.

Apparently his status with the fans is even worse then most of us expected and he's really 'persona non grata' after his celebration at Genoa.  Maybe Lotito is thinking, 'we will see how he evolves when playing first team football  and if he should become an asset i will buy him back after the fans have gotteb a little more settled with the issue'.  :twinkle:

I just am reluctant about this report because of Benevento needing to come up with that amount, let alone 6 to 7mill.
5mill i could grasp, over 2 seasons or so if they stay in Serie A.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Akha on July 09, 2017, 11:58:42 PM
I just am reluctant about this report because of Benevento needing to come up with that amount, let alone 6 to 7mill.
5mill i could grasp, over 2 seasons or so if they stay in Serie A.

You want to say we are keen on exchanging points for cash  :razz: ?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 10, 2017, 12:22:23 AM
I just am reluctant about this report because of Benevento needing to come up with that amount, let alone 6 to 7mill.
5mill i could grasp, over 2 seasons or so if they stay in Serie A.

You want to say we are keen on exchanging points for cash  :razz: ?

Well let's not assume that for now, since some already suspect we took a drop to save Crotone.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 10, 2017, 12:31:37 AM
Benevento's owner is not exactly cheap one - kind of mini Squinzi from Campania, so this not quite surprise.

Anyway, Matteo Materazzi at Domenica Sportiva saying that Benevento also interested for Patric and Kishna.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Akha on July 10, 2017, 01:02:32 AM
I just am reluctant about this report because of Benevento needing to come up with that amount, let alone 6 to 7mill.
5mill i could grasp, over 2 seasons or so if they stay in Serie A.

You want to say we are keen on exchanging points for cash  :razz: ?

Well let's not assume that for now, since some already suspect we took a drop to save Crotone.

Yeah, I was alluding to that  :supsmile: Would be interesting if we actually offload most of the players that are not part of 'the project'. Tbh I'm quite optimistic on this one as the past seasons suggest that the times of Maki, Barreto, Diakité, Zárate, etc running circles around Formello are more-less gone. Pretty tired of this 'Il capitano' saga too - hope we'll get decent money and reinvest it in new deals for Keita and Stefan.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Amir on July 10, 2017, 08:50:16 AM
Horrible mercato so far in all honesty.

We are surrounded with many uncertainties, so many question marks!

Hope things get cleared sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 10, 2017, 09:03:39 AM
Di Marzio saying that Benevento will pay us between 6 and 7 million for Cataldi, with Lazio keeping right to re-buy Cataldi back for 12 million.

If so that would be a very smart businessdeal. 

It's a smart business deal in my opinion because you are offloading Cataldi while he still holds value to a club that is far from a rival so if he explodes, it does us very little harm.

That 12 million buy-back clause is just to make sure neither Cataldi or the fans cause no problems - I am quite sure that he doesn't play another minute for Lazio.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Nass on July 10, 2017, 09:11:40 AM
Yeah most important is unity in a squad and the "No player bigger than the team"- mantra. Seriously, who would not rather have players that'll bleed for the shirt than those just using the club as a stepping stone into next level?? IMO if you're employed by this club you should have "There are no next level attitude" and if you come here your aim should be to help THIS club reach that level you want to be at BITCH!! Mercenary, greedy and self-oriented people can get the F out of this club at once, don't even bring those in.

Having this in mind, I'm not so confident about this D. De Gennaro fella refusing to renew at Cagliari and not helping them at least get payed for him, is that really the attitude we want to bring back at Lazio AGAIN?? As far as i'm concerned, all these kind of employees can go eat a d*ck, ffs they chose football career for money or for the love of the game? I wanna see players that love the game before money and fame, who is not with me?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Stefano6 on July 10, 2017, 09:20:55 AM
Di Gennaro didnt refuse a new contract in the same way that Biglia/Keita/De Vrij are seemingly refusing contracts.

He had fallen out of favour with the manager due to a change of shape, and it seems a mutual decision by player and club to let him go. Until the news of our interest it looked like he was going to Milan or Galatasaray, so its not like hes a bad player whos refused a contract and no one wants him..

Its like Anderson - change of tactic and formation means he doesnt really have a place. Doesnt make him a bad player.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Sile on July 10, 2017, 09:23:06 AM
Ah yes, the hugely talented fringe player in a team who ended last season 6 points away from 15th place. Be still my beating heart
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Stefano6 on July 10, 2017, 09:28:01 AM
And? Takes more than 1 player to make a team perform, its hardly his fault that Cagliari finished where they did, and lets be honest, its Cagliari, fresh from Serie B (a promotion Di Gennaro played a heavy part in btw) they finished where they were always likely to.

So we should only by players who were starting 11 for teams that finished higher than us? Good luck with that, let me know where you find all this money from, I could do with some myself.


No one is saying he is going to come in and set Rome alight with superstar performances. But he can do a job for us as a solid squad player, and it wont cost us a penny in transfer fee, and his wages wont be ridiculous. I see nothing wrong with that.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Sile on July 10, 2017, 09:35:57 AM
Yes, I'd rather take a fringe player from a team higher in us in the standings, or from a team equivalent to our position from other leagues, instead of loading up the team with mediocrity.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 10, 2017, 09:40:08 AM
Cagliari were virtually safe by Christmas and Di Gennaro had 5 assists racked up by the end of December. They dropped him in March when I assume it became clear he wasn't going to renew.

If Di Gennaro is a fringe player for a mid-table side and destined to be deadwood, then Giovanni Simeone would be 20 million worth of deadwood.

I think the expectations need to come down. The only player we signed so far is probably at the same level, at best, of a Davide Di Gennaro. Lazio cannot afford the players people here are expecting. We have to find diamonds in the rough in this market.

Yes, I'd rather take a fringe player from a team higher in us in the standings, or from a team equivalent to our position from other leagues

So would most, but unfortunately fringe players from teams above us will go for 10-15 million and with that being the case, I would hope the Lazio management would realise that spending that money on a guy who cannot play at the level you aspire to reach is dumb as s**t.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Stefano6 on July 10, 2017, 09:44:27 AM
So according to your logic, no Lapadulla, no Falcinelli, no Simeone, no De Roon, no Clasie,  etc etc
Just off the top of my head from players we have been recently linked to.

Because all of those are from teams who finished lower than us, and all of them were involved in rotation so I wouldnt call them fixed first 11 players last season. And yet I for one would welcome all of them.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: blue-white on July 10, 2017, 09:46:11 AM
Why not players from lower teams or a league which is not a top league?

I want to remind people about Kolarov, Lichtsteiner or Lulic cmoing from lower leagues.
I also want to remind people about a player like Fiore or Mauri - players who joined us from a club like Udinese - are they our level?
Marchetti came from Cagliari....

Di Gennaro would be a player who would not have the biggest problems to be more a bench player, and tries to help if needed. He is in his best age and showed at his current club that he is a good alternative.

Take a look at our current bench, and you will see that a player like him would not be a bad move - especially as a free agent.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: blue-white on July 10, 2017, 09:48:44 AM
@ Amir - i partly agree.
It's the problems which should alreday have been solved. IN THIS week - something with Biglia have to happen. Sell or not. A desicion has to be find.

Same goes for De Vrij and Keita, but this can still wait if really more time is needed. But the Biglia case needs to be solved in this week.
With that money, we can start to act.

And deadwood will be offloaded later, not now.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 10, 2017, 09:50:37 AM
Ironically, a lot of fringe players at big Italian clubs are Croatian. Strinic, Rog, Pjaca...  :vcool:

Also ironic, a lot of fringe players at big clubs were players like Di Gennaro 1-2 years ago. Might as well pick them up cheap on the way up than spend a fortune on them on the way down.

It's the problems which should alreday have been solved. IN THIS week - something with Biglia have to happen. Sell or not. A desicion has to be find.

Same goes for De Vrij and Keita, but this can still wait if really more time is needed. But the Biglia case needs to be solved in this week.

Bingo.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Sile on July 10, 2017, 10:15:49 AM
Cagliari were virtually safe by Christmas and Di Gennaro had 5 assists racked up by the end of December. They dropped him in March when I assume it became clear he wasn't going to renew.

If Di Gennaro is a fringe player for a mid-table side and destined to be deadwood, then Giovanni Simeone would be 20 million worth of deadwood.

I think the expectations need to come down. The only player we signed so far is probably at the same level, at best, of a Davide Di Gennaro. Lazio cannot afford the players people here are expecting. We have to find diamonds in the rough in this market.

Yes, I'd rather take a fringe player from a team higher in us in the standings, or from a team equivalent to our position from other leagues

So would most, but unfortunately fringe players from teams above us will go for 10-15 million and with that being the case, I would hope the Lazio management would realise that spending that money on a guy who cannot play at the level you aspire to reach is dumb as s**t.

Simeone is 22 and Di Gennaro is 29. If DG he hasn't reached his "UP" chances are he never will.

So according to your logic, no Lapadulla, no Falcinelli, no Simeone, no De Roon, no Clasie,  etc etc
Just off the top of my head from players we have been recently linked to.

Because all of those are from teams who finished lower than us, and all of them were involved in rotation so I wouldnt call them fixed first 11 players last season. And yet I for one would welcome all of them.

Yes, none of them. Ideally we'd get a quality vice-Immobile and keep Biglia.

The only argument for getting Di Gennaro is he's cheap.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Sile on July 10, 2017, 10:28:25 AM
Look at our incoming transfer history in the last 2 years

Last year:
Ciro Immobile 9,45 Mio. € - great transfer
Wallace 8,00 Mio. € - solid transfer
Bastos F6,50 Mio. € - solid transfer
Luis Alberto 4,00 Mio. € - questionable at the moment
Jordan Lukaku  4,00 Mio. € - possibly a solid investment
Moritz Leitner 1,50 Mio. € - crap
Luiz Felipe 750 Tsd. € - no info /unused in matches
Abukar Mohamed  50 Tsd. € - no info/unused in matches
Luca Crecco - early to say
Alessandro Rossi U19 - early to say
Luca Germoni Lazio U19 - early to say

Year before:
Dusan Basta 10,50 Mio. € - great transfer
Sergej Milinkovic-Savic KRC Genk KRC Genk  9,00 Mio. €  - great transfer
Ricardo Kishna Ajax Amsterdam Ajax Amsterdam 3,00 Mio. € - crap
Maurício Sporting Lissabon Sporting 2,65 Mio. € - horrible crap
Ivan Vargic 700 Tsd. € - unused
Patric  500 Tsd. € - unused leaning toward crap
Milan Bisevac - monstrous crap
Ronaldo - unused
Wesley Hoedt ablösefrei - solid transfer
Alessandro Matri - meh
Ravel Morrison - crap
Mamadou Tounkara - unused
Christopher Oikonomidis Lazio U19 - unused
Luca Crecco SS - unused
Franjo Prce Lazio U19 - unused
Alessandro Murgia Lazio U19 - potential
Moustapha Seck  Lazio U19 - unused
Antonio Rozzi - unused
Joseph Marie Minala U- unused

We don't have luck with cheap/free players. They don't make the team and they use up space on the roster. They are a smokescreen
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 10, 2017, 10:32:55 AM
The only argument for getting Di Gennaro is he's cheap.

It's not the only argument.

We don't have luck with cheap/free players. They don't make the team and they use up space on the roster. They are a smokescreen

Most of the signings you list do not resemble the Davide Di Gennaro transfer - you list a lot of young players who have either not made the grade or haven't had the time to do so, or players that are well over the hill.

Davide Di Gennaro's transfer would be similar to Basta in that he's a good player at a lesser club and you call that a 'great transfer' but take exception to Di Gennaro because he's 10.5 million cheaper? Ok.

I get your point though - instead of the transfers we've made in the last two years, you prefer fringe players at bigger clubs - Ashley Cole to 1927-esque transfers  :whistle:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Sile on July 10, 2017, 10:39:16 AM
Basta wasn't a fringe player at Udinese, he was a starter and he merited the price we paid for him.
Di Gennaro is a fringe player at a crap club who's 29 and hasn't played a competitive match since February. But hey, he's free, so he must be ideal
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 10, 2017, 10:44:43 AM
Basta wasn't a fringe player at Udinese, he was a starter and he merited the price we paid for him.
Di Gennaro is a fringe player at a crap club who's 29 and hasn't played a competitive match since February. But hey, he's free, so he must be ideal

You can keep calling him a 'fringe player at a crap club', but no matter how many times you say it, it's not going to become true.

Marchetti must've been Cagliari's waterboy who failed at Lazio if this is the kind of terminology you put on players.

You've made up your mind on Di Gennaro and that's fine. Hope he comes here and makes you eat your words.

For what it's worth, I'm not expecting him to set the world alight here or elsewhere but I'll take this over 90% of the solutions the media said we're considering.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Sile on July 10, 2017, 10:47:52 AM
Really? You'd take him over Calhanoglu who we were interested in? Or Walace?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 10, 2017, 10:52:59 AM
Really? You'd take him over Calhanoglu who we were interested in? Or Walace?

Di Gennaro would be coming in to basically fill the hole left by Onazi and Cataldi's departures. Calhanoglu would've cost 20 million and would've lacked several characteristics to play centre-midfield in Serie A and Walace is viewed as a Biglia replacement.

Would I rather sign Di Gennaro for free so that we have 20 million to spend on replacing key players or adding quality to the team instead of blowing it all on Calhanoglu or half of it on Walace? Yes.

But I'm more thinking about Di Gennaro compared to players such as Baselli who are no better and would take a serious chunk out of our budget and leave us having to raid the bargain basement for other areas.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 10, 2017, 10:55:25 AM
Benevento's owner is not exactly cheap one - kind of mini Squinzi from Campania, so this not quite surprise.

Anyway, Matteo Materazzi at Domenica Sportiva saying that Benevento also interested for Patric and Kishna.

Didn't know, makes it more believable the.

Cataldi, Patric and Kishna, if these go out this summer that alone is worth celebrating.  :twinkle:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Sile on July 10, 2017, 10:58:42 AM
Really? You'd take him over Calhanoglu who we were interested in? Or Walace?
Would I rather sign Di Gennaro for free so that we have 20 million to spend on replacing key players or adding quality to the team instead of blowing it all on Calhanoglu or half of it on Walace? Yes.
And that's the whole idea, I don't believe that we'll spend 20million on adding quality if Tare and Lotito weasel their way out of investing into areas which will now be occupied by the Di Gennaros of the world.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 10, 2017, 11:03:47 AM
And that's the whole idea, I don't believe that we'll spend 20million on adding quality if Tare and Lotito weasel their way out of investing into areas which will now be occupied by the Di Gennaros of the world.

Lotito and Tare have not been weaseling their way out of anything in recent years - the club has been spending as much as the club can afford to spend.

Calhanoglu could only have come here if we sold Biglia for 20 million or Keita and changed tactics to accommodate Calhanoglu. No one would pay 20 million for Biglia, so I'd rather keep Keita, persist with tactics that have served us well and reinforce other areas with the very little money we have.

I consider you sensible and reasonable and surely you must realise that if we actually signed Calhanoglu that we'd have put the entirety of our budget on one player and left ourselves thin elsewhere. Our vice-Immobile would've remained Djordjevic, we'd probably still end up needing to look at Di Gennaro etc.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Harmi1985 on July 10, 2017, 11:07:38 AM
think about it this way Davide Di Gennaro has done something that none of a players have, he won the Champions league with Milan in 06/07, so yes we have a champions league winner in our squad  :scarfup: :whistle:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Sile on July 10, 2017, 11:08:10 AM
Biglia is at this very moment closer to Milan than Lazio. So there's your 20mill.
And who's going to replace him? Or are we switching our tactics?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 10, 2017, 11:13:05 AM
Biglia is at this very moment closer to Milan than Lazio. So there's your 20mill.
And who's going to replace him? Or are we switching our tactics?

Firstly, not convinced we're getting 20 million for Biglia. Secondly, Calhanoglu is a very different player to Biglia. Finally, I would find it difficult to sleep thinking about our defence with a midfield minus Biglia plus Calhanoglu.

As for who is going to replace Biglia, let's see. There is no way if Biglia goes, we buy Di Gennaro and that's it. If that's what you are suggesting might happen, we'll talk about it again in September.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: flurffmeister on July 10, 2017, 11:18:55 AM
Biglia is at this very moment closer to Milan than Lazio. So there's your 20mill.
And who's going to replace him? Or are we switching our tactics?

Firstly, not convinced we're getting 20 million for Biglia. Secondly, Calhanoglu is a very different player to Biglia. Finally, I would find it difficult to sleep thinking about our defence with a midfield minus Biglia plus Calhanoglu.

As for who is going to replace Biglia, let's see. There is no way if Biglia goes, we buy Di Gennaro and that's it. If that's what you are suggesting might happen, we'll talk about it again in September.

How many times have we heard Lotito is negotiating for a certain sum of sale then end up with a much higher sum? i think we will hear soon that Biglia has been sold for 25 million or 20 million plus bonuses.
You got my word.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 10, 2017, 11:33:57 AM
Well, Biglia is in Rome now since this morning.

Let the Biglia-Milan week begin?   :whistle:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Giolazio on July 10, 2017, 11:35:51 AM
Come on Sile, surely you know if we sign Di Gennaro we still sign another midfielder (possibly Walace) once Biglia is sold?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Giolazio on July 10, 2017, 11:36:16 AM
Well, Biglia is in Rome now since this morning.

Let the Biglia-Milan week begin?   :whistle:

Just hope he doesn't board a plane to Auronzo.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 10, 2017, 11:56:50 AM
Well, Biglia is in Rome now since this morning.

Let the Biglia-Milan week begin?   :whistle:

Just hope he doesn't board a plane to Auronzo.

He said to a journalist he doesn't know if he'll go or he could join Milan.

Typical Biglia answer.  :whistle:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Stefano6 on July 10, 2017, 12:01:41 PM
Also when he was asked if he would stay with Lazio, he didnt answer.

Granted it was a member of the public, he had just gotten off a long flight and obviously wasnt in the mood to talk, so dont read too much into what he did or didnt say, but if I were Biglia and I knew I was staying, I would have answered a simple Yes to that man.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 10, 2017, 12:05:47 PM
I've met women who are better than Biglia at explaining what they want
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 10, 2017, 12:12:03 PM
It's not really news though - we know he wants to leave the club. He didn't do or say anything that tells us something we don't already know.

The irony is that the captain's armband many feel we put on him to being with to keep him at the club is probably what is going to end up knocking millions off his selling price.

Because he's our captain, we can't take this down to the wire - we can't send him to Auronzo di Cadore with that accolade - we have to resolve the situation one way or the other or else the situation will damage the spirit in the dressing room.

Whereas with Keita and de Vrij, we can sit tight and hope that clubs will panic near deadline day. If Biglia wasn't captain, we could say '20 million or he stays' and Milan might bite on deadline day. But because he's the captain, the game is too dangerous.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: hamid on July 10, 2017, 01:55:43 PM
I've met women who are better than Biglia at explaining what they want

 :supsmile: :supsmile: :supsmile:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: blue-white on July 10, 2017, 01:57:46 PM
I've met women who are better than Biglia at explaining what they want

 :bravo: :bravo:

...
Whereas with Keita and de Vrij, we can sit tight and hope that clubs will panic near deadline day. If Biglia wasn't captain, we could say '20 million or he stays' and Milan might bite on deadline day. But because he's the captain, the game is too dangerous.
so true!
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: lazioserbia on July 10, 2017, 02:02:18 PM
I've met women who are better than Biglia at explaining what they want

Same thing I thought yesterday  :beer:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Akha on July 10, 2017, 02:15:57 PM
I've met women who are better than Biglia at explaining what they want

It's only 2 pm and I think we already know who won the Internet today  :bravo:

The other thing I don't like about this saga is that the headlines will be 'Lazio captain joins Milan' - trend that' been reoccurring through the years and well, is not something to boast about. But hey, Biglia was as much a captain as Sant'Antonio was a bandiera  :beer:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Caput Mundi on July 10, 2017, 02:57:57 PM
How important is the captaincy in this game?

I know in other sports it's a huge deal (and in some cases, like cricket, actually influences outcomes) but I'm yet to be convinced it's more much than symbolic in modern football.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Sile on July 10, 2017, 03:00:32 PM
New rules will allow only the captain to talk to the ref - we'll no longer see the Barca-type swarming of the ref at every contact.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 10, 2017, 03:03:20 PM
How important is the captaincy in this game?

I know in other sports it's a huge deal (and in some cases, like cricket, actually influences outcomes) but I'm yet to be convinced it's more much than symbolic in modern football.

It's becoming increasingly symbolic in football, but Lazio have attached more value to the armband than they should have.

Listening to the Lazio players, you get the impression they don't actually know what sport that are playing unless Biglia is on the field.

All being said, I'd have seen Wayne Rooney at United as every inch the 'symbolic captain', if you will, yet they seemed to have recognised the importance of getting Rooney on his bike before the season begins proper, so much so that they just let him walk.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Caput Mundi on July 10, 2017, 03:04:36 PM
New rules will allow only the captain to talk to the ref - we'll no longer see the Barca-type swarming of the ref at every contact.


Sure. Apart from not wanting to have a guy who is likely to get sent off as your skipper (and probably a not GK either now with this new rule), I don't think the situation is as dangerous as you're suggesting.

God knows we've devalued our captaincy enough ourselves already over the years. :razz:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: stefano_40 on July 10, 2017, 04:40:27 PM
New rules will allow only the captain to talk to the ref - we'll no longer see the Barca-type swarming of the ref at every contact.


Sure. Apart from not wanting to have a guy who is likely to get sent off as your skipper (and probably a not GK either now with this new rule), I don't think the situation is as dangerous as you're suggesting.

God knows we've devalued our captaincy enough ourselves already over the years. :razz:

It's always been a weird one to have Lucas as the captain, but I think that real leaders tend to show themselves on the pitch anyway regardless of the armband. How many times did we see Lulic shouting at players to concentrate last season? More times than "Il Capitano" anyway  :whistle: Seems like more of an ego thing rather than having a direct impact on the game anyway, though having someone with a bit of passion would definitely be a positive.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 10, 2017, 05:05:42 PM
New rules will allow only the captain to talk to the ref - we'll no longer see the Barca-type swarming of the ref at every contact.

The problem with this is the refs alow to much.  They should pull yellow for every winer that comes up running like he's going to jump on him and goes chest to chest.  Once the refs stick to that the problem will be solved in 1 week.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Ed on July 10, 2017, 05:27:30 PM
Maurício Sporting Lissabon Sporting 2,65 Mio. € - horrible crap :razz:
Milan Bisevac - monstrous crap :razz:
Ronaldo - unused  :what:

It could only happen at Lazio, we couldn't find even a Coppa game for Ronny! :beer:
In all seriousness, who on earth was he?

In reply to Cathal about Simeone a few days ago, he did have a much poorer second half to the season but so did Genoa overall, they just seemed to be on autopilot as if it was nearly summer. He's not a guarantee of success and sentimentality has undoubtedly come into it a bit but he can surely improve and has time to do so. Falcinelli got better as Crotone had their surge to safety and everything seemed to go right with their steely attitude but I'm still not convinced he could do the same again. One season wonder and a struggle the next? Lapadula might be a decent back up to Immobile but I don't think he's a particularly good compliment and doesn't offer much chance of improvement or resale. Again, he just doesn't excite me but the possibility of Simeone developing here does. But maybe I just love the memory of his father too much...
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: valdanito on July 10, 2017, 05:48:04 PM
Watch Biglia fall into depression if Meelan tranfer doesnt go through soon enough. I just wanted to slap him when i saw his stupid sad puppy face at the airport.

If Meelan want Biglia, then they have to pay up, but the waiting game will only hurt us.

Lazio above EVERYONE and ANYONE!


Shame Lotare let it get to this, and I am not fully convinced he will be adequately replaced, even with a change in system.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: valdanito on July 10, 2017, 05:51:04 PM
Moggi still trying to make headlines claiming Keita has already signed for Juventus.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 10, 2017, 06:38:28 PM
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Boo fuc king hoo
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 10, 2017, 06:53:06 PM
In the Spanish-speaking world, Lazio being linked once again with Mexican winger Jürgen Damm.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Portugal on July 10, 2017, 07:51:57 PM
Media here in Portugal are linking Ljubomir Fejsa to Lazio.
Lazio would need to spend a lot of money to get him so I call bullshit.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 10, 2017, 09:17:30 PM
Sky saying that is done for Tolgay Arslan, midfielder of Besiktas, for around 8.5 million.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: MilanChe on July 10, 2017, 09:19:45 PM
Has anyone seen him play? He looks solid on YT video.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 10, 2017, 09:33:35 PM
Another overpriced player? 26 year old who never got one single minute for the Germany NT. I know it's not one of the "easy" NTs to be called up for, but at that price I'd expect a lot more..

His injury history also doesn't look good for a 26 year old, can only imagine when his body gets older..

Sorry I don't mean to be overly negative, but WTF if this is true.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 10, 2017, 10:00:14 PM
Has anyone seen him play? He looks solid on YT video.

Saw him couple of times last season with Besiktas. One of those who does job all over the field, but with solid technique. Think that he may be useful when you need to impose possession on opponent's half against teams that will park the bus - and most of teams we will face next year will be like that.

If he comes, hope that surname will be omen for him.  :razz:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Rizmo on July 10, 2017, 10:12:34 PM
Tolgay will fit perfectly in Cataldi4thewin's Lazio homo 11  :beer:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Sile on July 10, 2017, 10:15:49 PM
With a last name like Arslan he can join Patric and Keita in the closet
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 10, 2017, 10:25:48 PM
Given that we were connected with couple of Turkey-based players in last days (not with Arslan, though) may be that we look after some his compatriot to help their adaptation in Rome. Turkish players had issues with that when went out of country and our club is common in that practice - why not?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Rizmo on July 10, 2017, 10:41:32 PM
Arslan is practically german though and would settle well. Hopefully we can dodge a Turkish invasion as well when he seems to want the German NT.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 10, 2017, 11:20:02 PM
Another overpriced player? 26 year old who never got one single minute for the Germany NT. I know it's not one of the "easy" NTs to be called up for, but at that price I'd expect a lot more..

His injury history also doesn't look good for a 26 year old, can only imagine when his body gets older..

Sorry I don't mean to be overly negative, but WTF if this is true.

Well if we'd some up all these type of reports from the last weeks we'd have abot 15 new players now.

That being said, about Arslan.  On our rader since 2015, currently estimated value of 6mill.
The press may cal him a Biglia replacement but again, he's no defensivly skilled player.

About the German NT tough, kind of hard to get into just by being a good player.  In all fairness.

Has anyone seen him play? He looks solid on YT video.

Saw him couple of times last season with Besiktas. One of those who does job all over the field, but with solid technique. Think that he may be useful when you need to impose possession on opponent's half against teams that will park the bus - and most of teams we will face next year will be like that.

That is surely something to prepare for.  If this 352 counter style becomes the bases, lesser teams will indeed simply park the bus.  They'd be thinking, no Lazio counterplay, no goals against.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 10, 2017, 11:33:12 PM
Sky claims Bayern signed Douglas Costa do that would surely eliminate further rumours about Keita.
Pedulla says Lapadula has a personal deal Genoa, but not yet with Milan.
Pedulla also claims Benevento put the Cataldi deal on hold because they don't agree with the buyback clause.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 10, 2017, 11:34:38 PM
If to watch after some who can be more similar to Biglia and play in Turkey, just note name of Ozan Tufan. Expect his name to came up soon after Sad one salutes.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Kaiser on July 11, 2017, 06:44:30 AM
Given that we were connected with couple of Turkey-based players in last days (not with Arslan, though) may be that we look after some his compatriot to help their adaptation in Rome. Turkish players had issues with that when went out of country and our club is common in that practice - why not?
There is also rumor that we are after Mehmet Topal of Fenerbahche. Defensive midfielder, 31 years old.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: flurffmeister on July 11, 2017, 08:06:25 AM
Brace yourselves Turks will invade this forum.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Amir on July 11, 2017, 09:04:07 AM
Sky claims Bayern signed Douglas Costa do that would surely eliminate further rumours about Keita

I said it earlier somewhere, that it does not make sense for Keita to join Juve when they have Dybala, Manddukic, Higuain, Cuadrado and now also Costa and possibly Bernardescchi.

What I fear is this - Keita will not renew and walk away at Juve for free next summer, when they sell Dybala for another world record. That would be disastrous for our club.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: blue-white on July 11, 2017, 09:09:20 AM
Agree with Amir, that Juve makes no sense now for Keita, but i think that he will renew or he will get sold to another club.

To Arslan - good age. Solid player. Can play every role in the midfield. I would welcome him here if the price is the right one.

As i often said - we on't need a Biglia replacement - we need a player who can challenge Lulic and Parolo.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 11, 2017, 10:13:00 AM
Anyone else get the sense the media know Tare is working on something in Turkey but haven't got a clue what exactly that is and are firing names out there and hoping to get lucky? No other explanation for all these links to Turkish players.

Worth pointing out Lazio only have 1 non-EU spot available after signing Marusic, so if we're after Azmoun as is reported every day, then the Turkish player needs an EU passport - which might be why Tolgay Arslan is the latest suggestion.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Harmi1985 on July 11, 2017, 10:14:47 AM
tbh i can see Keita going to Chelsea in the coming months, i reckon a deal will take place at the last day of the transfer window, Chelsea already had a bid turned down from us but they must be getting desperate now as Costa is on his way to Atletico and they missed out on Lukaku
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: drazvan on July 11, 2017, 11:28:09 AM
Anyone else get the sense the media know Tare is working on something in Turkey but haven't got a clue what exactly that is and are firing names out there and hoping to get lucky? No other explanation for all these links to Turkish players.

Worth pointing out Lazio only have 1 non-EU spot available after signing Marusic, so if we're after Azmoun as is reported every day, then the Turkish player needs an EU passport - which might be why Tolgay Arslan is the latest suggestion.

Van Persie?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: flurffmeister on July 11, 2017, 11:34:15 AM
Anyone else get the sense the media know Tare is working on something in Turkey but haven't got a clue what exactly that is and are firing names out there and hoping to get lucky? No other explanation for all these links to Turkish players.

Worth pointing out Lazio only have 1 non-EU spot available after signing Marusic, so if we're after Azmoun as is reported every day, then the Turkish player needs an EU passport - which might be why Tolgay Arslan is the latest suggestion.

Tolgay has duel nationalities so he is eligible to play with EU passport , Azmoun as well.

Van Persie?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 11, 2017, 11:38:07 AM
Van Persie?

Good shout. I can't say I'd be surprised if we go down that route again given the uncertainty over Keita's future and the contract situation of Amzoun. I do buy into the Azmoun rumour - it's more a hunch than anything - but I think it's going to be difficult to get done.

When I see us being linked to an Iranian striker, multiple Turkish players, a Mexican winger etc. there's a part of me that can't help but wonder if Lotito wants to raise our international profile again and go with a Klose/Cisse type signing.

Tolgay has duel nationalities so he is eligible to play with EU passport , Azmoun as well.

I know Tolgay has a German passport - that's why I said he might be the name the media are running with - but Azmoun has an EU passport?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: mahdipah on July 11, 2017, 11:44:28 AM
I dont think Azmoun has an EU passport. However as an Iranian, would be happy to see him in Lazio jersey.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: flurffmeister on July 11, 2017, 12:00:18 PM
I dont think Azmoun has an EU passport. However as an Iranian, would be happy to see him in Lazio jersey.

He has a Russian passport since 2015.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Rizmo on July 11, 2017, 12:10:10 PM
I dont think Azmoun has an EU passport. However as an Iranian, would be happy to see him in Lazio jersey.

He has a Russian passport since 2015.

So no EU passport then.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Sile on July 11, 2017, 02:31:41 PM
Maurício Sporting Lissabon Sporting 2,65 Mio. € - horrible crap :razz:
Milan Bisevac - monstrous crap :razz:
Ronaldo - unused  :what:

It could only happen at Lazio, we couldn't find even a Coppa game for Ronny! :beer:
In all seriousness, who on earth was he?

Doesn't matter who Ronny is, he's off to Novara
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 11, 2017, 02:42:00 PM
I find it weird that people think these cheap gambles are exclusive to Tare and Lazio.

Seems to go unnoticed that while we buy 2 or 3 players like this every season, the Serie A champions buy 50-100.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Sile on July 11, 2017, 02:46:51 PM
Yes but they don't field them, we do
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 11, 2017, 02:53:33 PM
Yes but they don't field them, we do

You say when we're literally talking about a player leaving us without playing a single second?  :rolley:

There's a difference between cheap gambles and not having Juventus' money. Inevitable that we will sign players on the cheap when 80% of our revenue goes on the salary bill and operating costs.

I'm not that well versed on our finances, but I'm amazed people still think our expenditure and market strategy is related to Lotito and Tare.

I honestly think if the club published our accounts in English and everyone spent 10 minutes browsing through it, we'd get very different discussions on the forum.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 11, 2017, 03:00:43 PM
Di Marzio - who has spent his summer standing outside Milan HQ - has noted the presence of Biglia's agent. He believes Lazio have told Milan to cough up 20 million tonight or Biglia will have a medical in Rome tomorrow and head off to pre-season training. He also believes Milan have offered 16 million but have set themselves the deadline of making the deal official by Thursday evening.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Sile on July 11, 2017, 03:01:38 PM
Yeah he didn't play but plenty others did. Besides they use up place on the bench and use up money from the payroll. We have a 38 player (if I remember correctly this is lower than previous years) squad and Juventus have 39 and they played CL until the end.

So what exactly are the benefits of amassing deadwood?

If we sell Biglia it will leave give us around ~13mill spending money to break even. I'd rather get one quality player than 6 crap ones.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 11, 2017, 03:11:20 PM
So what exactly are the benefits of amassing deadwood?

It is not Lazio amassing deadwood, but you. It's a term used on this forum, it's not like Lazio went out and signed Ravel Morrison because they needed some deadwood around. It was simply a transfer that didn't work out and there's a label we use for those players and it's 'deadwood'.

Sometimes it sounds like Lazio should have a squad of 20 players and all 20 of them must be brilliant or else Lotito is cheap and Tare is an idiot.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Sile on July 11, 2017, 03:28:33 PM
At this moment we have Crecco, Murgia, Lombardi, Mohamed, Alberto, Kishna and Oikonomidis, Rossi, Tounkara, Spizzichino et al

How many more players do we need on top of our usual starting 11 plus a backup for every position?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: valdanito on July 11, 2017, 04:03:06 PM
Seeing Biglia's stats vs Jorginho, Strootman and Badelj, I can already tell you we wont be getting anyone better to replace him. Due to our way of handling contract extensions we are yet again loosing a huge player.

Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 11, 2017, 04:12:38 PM
At this moment we have Crecco, Murgia, Lombardi, Mohamed, Alberto, Kishna and Oikonomidis, Rossi, Tounkara, Spizzichino et al

How many more players do we need on top of our usual starting 11 plus a backup for every position?

We don't have a back-up for every position. That's why when you say you'd like one big signing rather than six crap ones, I raise my eyebrows.

Chelsea had the most consistent squad selection in Europe last season and they played 24 players in the Premier League. Lazio used 30 in Serie A - four of those players left in January, four of those players never started a game and one was Vargic who was played for the sake of it. 30 seems like a lot of players to use in one season, but in reality, our squad was thin and our squad needs numerical reinforcement this summer or we're going to have rely on what this forum calls 'deadwood'.

Sure, Transfermarkt says we've a squad of 38 and Juventus have a squad of 39. They also say Juventus have 17 players that are on the payroll but are not in the squad (compared to our 4) and 54 Primavera players, which is more than double what they need (and double what Lazio have - 25).

And what about Atalanta? Used 32 players last season (+2 on Lazio), have a squad of 46 according to Transfermarkt (+8 on Lazio), have 24 players on their payroll that they don't call up (+20 on Lazio) and 35 Primavera players (+10 on Lazio)

All I'm saying here is that problems people say are exclusive to Lazio, they're not. In fact, Lazio have a tiny squad compared to most Serie A clubs and only a tiny percentage of our transfers fail compared to others.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Sile on July 11, 2017, 04:21:05 PM
Yes, we should strive to have a compact sqzad like Chelsea.
Atalanta are a crap feeder club and need a bunch of players because they sell their best at the end of the season.
Juve can afford to have a 100 player roster if they want to.
We have nothing ti gain from professional bench-warmers
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 11, 2017, 04:28:40 PM
Yes, we should strive to have a compact sqzad like Chelsea.

I agree in theory, but Chelsea also had 20+ lads return from loan last week, one of which we're supposedly trying to get out on loan for ourselves (Pasalic). If we've deadwood we can't get rid of, they've more. It happens. All I'm saying is it's common practice. But I agree with the basic principle that if we can keep the squad small and get away with it, that's the ideal.

Seeing Biglia's stats vs Jorginho, Strootman and Badelj, I can already tell you we wont be getting anyone better to replace him.

No one was going to replace Candreva with regard to the sheer volume of crosses he puts into the box game upon game, but with Keita and Anderson on our wings, I didn't miss him.

That would be my point with Biglia - no one is going to win the ball back and distribute it like him, agreed, but if another player comes in and impacts on our game in other more fruitful ways, no one is going to care about Biglia in 12 months. Especially if we have 20 million and one less player who wants to be in Milan.

I find it weird that the media are saying Lazio and Milan have no agreement, but it's his agent that's meeting Milan - suggests Milan and Biglia have no agreement yet either.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: blue-white on July 11, 2017, 04:32:21 PM
Trying to replace him is the wrong move.
I totally agree with Cathal here. Find a player who can play on the same position, but brings other characteristics in our game, will help in another way.

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I find it weird that the media are saying Lazio and Milan have no agreement, but it's his agent that's meeting Milan - suggests Milan and Biglia have no agreement yet either.
already had this in my mind too.
Seems that we don't need to convince Milan anymore about the sum we want to have, but the agent still needs time to convince Milan...for example...for more money per year or bonus or whatever...
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: valdanito on July 11, 2017, 04:34:17 PM
You can even say his stats are more impressive than those of Modric.

Sorry guys I just have a few Meelan friends bugging me about Biglia today.

Its not so much about loosing Biglia anymore, but loosing them to Milan.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: valdanito on July 11, 2017, 04:35:45 PM
Trying to replace him is the wrong move.
I totally agree with Cathal here. Find a player who can play on the same position, but brings other characteristics in our game, will help in another way.

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I find it weird that the media are saying Lazio and Milan have no agreement, but it's his agent that's meeting Milan - suggests Milan and Biglia have no agreement yet either.
already had this in my mind too.
Seems that we don't need to convince Milan anymore about the sum we want to have, but the agent still needs time to convince Milan...for example...for more money per year or bonus or whatever...

Or Maybe Lotare did put that 5 year contract rumored on the table and knowing greedy Biglia and his greedy agent he went to casa Milano saying, hey can you match this?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 11, 2017, 04:41:43 PM
It's also possible that Lazio refused to allow Biglia and his agent to talk to Milan again until a fee had been agreed, in which case Biglia's agent is in Milan because Lazio have accepted an offer.

You can even say his stats are more impressive than those of Modric.

Particular stats, yes. Biglia is a specialist in what he does, but in my opinion, he's by no means irreplaceable in general. Also, the next guy could be useful in 5 years time when Biglia is retired and go for 50 million when Biglia is worth 0. Thinking long-term makes the short-term bearable.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: valdanito on July 11, 2017, 04:46:21 PM
Unless the next guy is a 31 year old unknown turkish player.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 11, 2017, 04:48:36 PM
Unless the next guy is a 31 year old unknown turkish player.

In that case, we'll still have much of the 20 million  :twinkle:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: drazvan on July 11, 2017, 05:03:29 PM
Problem is that Biglia was available only 75% of the games, from those about half he was at 100%, and he is 32. Can he keep it up for another year? Not sure. I agree that Biglia is doing the job when fit, but at 32 there is no guarantee. The question you need to ask yourself is: do we spend an extra 15 mil on Biglia now or get 20 mil for him, giving us a virtually 35 mil budget save for the next few years?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 11, 2017, 05:21:15 PM
At this point I'd just take those 15 mill euros and run, I see no point in gambling on Milan bidding 20 mill euros at the end of the mercato. They have so much money they could easily change their minds and bid some big sum for a younger player..

15-16 mill euros sounds fine to me, I am already getting used to not having Mr I want to say, I don't want to stay guy here..
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Giolazio on July 11, 2017, 05:22:39 PM
You can even say his stats are more impressive than those of Modric.

Sorry guys I just have a few Meelan friends bugging me about Biglia today.

Its not so much about loosing Biglia anymore, but loosing them to Milan.

What's the problem? You should be laughing at them if they pay anything over 15mil for a cry baby, 31 year old overrated player who will make Milan as static as a horse with no legs.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 11, 2017, 05:26:27 PM
Trying to replace him is the wrong move.
I totally agree with Cathal here. Find a player who can play on the same position, but brings other characteristics in our game, will help in another way.

That should be the 'blessing' of this mercato, and something i'vd been wishing for for several mercato's.  Replacing Biglia with a defensivly skilled midfielder that also weighs on the defence of the opponent. 

We know Biglia's qualities and they are great but it's my opinion that in Lazio's style that type is not required.  Biglia is a master at recovering, tempo of the game and safe passing to the sides.  Those are trademarks ideal for a playmaker in team that needs possession to do their thing, á la Napoli for example.  Lazio needs a DM that also recovers and then immediatly thinks forward, and also appears up front and threatens later on.

Best examples being linked this mercato were Walace and Torreira.  Most others all were attacking minded but not defensivly equipped.  If Tare decides on getting such type (like Arslan) then the midfield is going to need to fall back together very swiftly in defence and the defenders will need to be able to handle more direct pressure, especially the central CB.

When people point at stats Biglia always looks one of the best, but that's logical.  He doesn't look for the through pass or attempts something.  Constant safe passing shows great stats, much easier for him.  Torreira had similar stats at times but he constantly plays deep, much harder for him to look great.

It's not a surprise Biglia wants to leave now, he's not been in his classic role anymore under Simone.  In the first Coppa derby for example, he played as a recovering CM, not a DM regista.  Him and Parolo did thesame job so there's much more logic to get another Parolo type then keeping Biglia.  The only thing is that player is going to have to be defensivly good enough.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: valdanito on July 11, 2017, 05:27:31 PM
You can even say his stats are more impressive than those of Modric.

Sorry guys I just have a few Meelan friends bugging me about Biglia today.

Its not so much about loosing Biglia anymore, but loosing them to Milan.

What's the problem? You should be laughing at them if they pay anything over 15mil for a cry baby, 31 year old overrated player who will make Milan as static as a horse with no legs.

PRoblem is the only thing I agree with you on, is on the cry baby and trhe fact hes 31.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: valdanito on July 11, 2017, 05:30:00 PM
Yet he has more "key passes" than the players mentioned despite being described like a big chunk of you are, a safe passer...
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: valdanito on July 11, 2017, 05:31:03 PM
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Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Giolazio on July 11, 2017, 05:31:20 PM
You can even say his stats are more impressive than those of Modric.

Sorry guys I just have a few Meelan friends bugging me about Biglia today.

Its not so much about loosing Biglia anymore, but loosing them to Milan.

What's the problem? You should be laughing at them if they pay anything over 15mil for a cry baby, 31 year old overrated player who will make Milan as static as a horse with no legs.

PRoblem is the only thing I agree with you on, is on the cry baby and trhe fact hes 31.

You don't think he is even the slightest bit overrated and forces the team to only play one way?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: valdanito on July 11, 2017, 05:32:51 PM
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Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: valdanito on July 11, 2017, 05:34:05 PM
You can even say his stats are more impressive than those of Modric.

Sorry guys I just have a few Meelan friends bugging me about Biglia today.

Its not so much about loosing Biglia anymore, but loosing them to Milan.

What's the problem? You should be laughing at them if they pay anything over 15mil for a cry baby, 31 year old overrated player who will make Milan as static as a horse with no legs.

PRoblem is the only thing I agree with you on, is on the cry baby and trhe fact hes 31.

You don't think he is even the slightest bit overrated and forces the team to only play one way?

Not really Gio, I actually consider him to be one of our best players, if not the best. And Biglia has showed he can adapt his football when needed.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Giolazio on July 11, 2017, 05:36:41 PM
You can even say his stats are more impressive than those of Modric.

Sorry guys I just have a few Meelan friends bugging me about Biglia today.

Its not so much about loosing Biglia anymore, but loosing them to Milan.

What's the problem? You should be laughing at them if they pay anything over 15mil for a cry baby, 31 year old overrated player who will make Milan as static as a horse with no legs.

PRoblem is the only thing I agree with you on, is on the cry baby and trhe fact hes 31.

You don't think he is even the slightest bit overrated and forces the team to only play one way?

Not really Gio, I actually consider him to be one of our best players, is not the best. And Biglia has showed he can adapt his football when needed.

Don't get me wrong I appreciate what he does in our system but it really frustrates me that we are pretty one dimensional, and I don't mean formation, just the way we move the ball about.

Why I think he is overrated, although still a good player, is that it was only really last season we saw a very good and consistent Biglia but at 31 that will surely be the best season he will have. 
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 11, 2017, 05:43:39 PM
Di Marzio - who has spent his summer standing outside Milan HQ - has noted the presence of Biglia's agent. He believes Lazio have told Milan to cough up 20 million tonight or Biglia will have a medical in Rome tomorrow and head off to pre-season training. He also believes Milan have offered 16 million but have set themselves the deadline of making the deal official by Thursday evening.

Seems like this might be what's going on.  Very tricky and ballsy tacting from Lotare if so. 
It could work or it could backfire completely.

Anyhow, either way i hope the deadline thing is true because i'm sick and tired about the Milan - Biglia saga.
We tend to have a patent with saga's ...  :roll_eyes:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 11, 2017, 05:47:38 PM
Kedziora signed for Dinamo Kiev (1.5mill).
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 11, 2017, 05:54:15 PM
Yet he has more "key passes" than the players mentioned despite being described like a big chunk of you are, a safe passer...

Problem with 'key passes' is that if Biglia passes to Anderson and Anderson runs half the pitch and shoots, it goes down as a 'key pass' but there would be absolutely nothing 'key' about it. And Because Biglia completes more passes than anyone else in our team, naturally he is afforded more opportunities to make meaningful or meaningless key passes.

I am the first to say stats are more important than I think most care to admit, but sometimes they make busy players look good - and I feel busy players tend to be looked upon more favourably anyway.

For me, Biglia is going to succeed Candreva, Hernanes, Pandev etc. in the line of players who seem fundamental but that Lazio ultimately don't miss because they were never that special to begin with.

But I do worry that it'll be hard to make the argument for Biglia not being fundamental in 12 months time because it's a tough ask for Lazio to finish Top 5 this season. With or without Biglia.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: valdanito on July 11, 2017, 06:48:22 PM
Looks like Falcinelli is a step away from Samp....
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 11, 2017, 08:53:06 PM
Salomone, Cardone, Ercole and Sky Sports talking about Lucas Leiva.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Secret_Samadhi on July 11, 2017, 09:07:03 PM
Cataldi to Benevento is off.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 11, 2017, 09:13:14 PM
Salomone, Cardone, Ercole and Sky Sports talking about Lucas Leiva.

Woeha, they are restarting the rumourlist from 4 weeks ago.  Guess they went full circle and are out of names.
  :twinkle:

Just posting about it in the auronzo topic.  Imagine all those rumours week in week out and no CM or DM coming in at all.
Maybe a wingback, a gk and a striker instead.  Press would be stunned.

Cataldi to Benevento is off.

Could be, they said it was done 4 days ago so why isn't he gone.
I think it's of to, it sounded to good to be true.

The tomorrow or thursday Milan will pull the plug and Biglia can travel together with Cataldi to Auronzo. :whistle:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 11, 2017, 09:51:56 PM
With Leiva I think that they shout on every central midfielder around the world.  :razz:

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The tomorrow or thursday Milan will pull the plug and Biglia can travel together with Cataldi to Auronzo. :whistle:

On 'Voce della Nord' program - on Radiosei - this evening elements of Curva Nord stated that for Biglia would be better not to go for Auronzo.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 11, 2017, 10:28:14 PM
With Leiva I think that they shout on every central midfielder around the world.  :razz:

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The tomorrow or thursday Milan will pull the plug and Biglia can travel together with Cataldi to Auronzo. :whistle:

On 'Voce della Nord' program - on Radiosei - this evening elements of Curva Nord stated that for Biglia would be better not to go for Auronzo.

On the first thing ... :beer:

Curva Nord, persona non grata number 2 then, and i don't blame them.



But just out loud for a second, both Di Gennaro and Leiva are free agents.  :twinkle:
Sell Biglia, Cataldi, Djordjevic, Mauricio and get Laxalt and Azmoun.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Rizmo on July 11, 2017, 11:04:59 PM
But just out loud for a second, both Di Gennaro and Leiva are free agents.  :twinkle:
Sell Biglia, Cataldi, Djordjevic, Mauricio and get Laxalt and Azmoun.

Preach!
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 11, 2017, 11:12:40 PM
If Inzaghi rates Lukaku, why would he want Laxalt? No point spending a fortune for Laxalt and sticking him on the bench or buying him to relegate a player we rate to the bench.

There's one name I haven't seen mentioned yet - the original replacement for Biglia when he was almost out the door two years ago. And I'm amazed, so much so I ain't going to mention the name  :rolley:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 11, 2017, 11:20:53 PM

There's one name I haven't seen mentioned yet - the original replacement for Biglia when he was almost out the door two years ago. And I'm amazed, so much so I ain't going to mention the name  :rolley:

I think that I mentioned him in this thread somewhere during last two months, but will shush and keep low profile with that name.  :happy:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 11, 2017, 11:27:05 PM
Who are you speaking about?

Geiss? Clasie?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 11, 2017, 11:29:24 PM
Who are you speaking about?

Geiss? Clasie?

Classie has been mentioned by journals couple of times during last weeks. Don't think it's him.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 11, 2017, 11:35:26 PM
Wasn't difficult to work out by process of elimination  :supsmile:

I just find it interesting the player we seemed to line up to replace Biglia is probably better now and within our price range if we sell Biglia, and no journalist has mentioned his name.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Akha on July 11, 2017, 11:35:55 PM
Casemiro is out of our reich guys  :whistle:

EDIT: too late  :wuzz:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 11, 2017, 11:55:00 PM
If Inzaghi rates Lukaku, why would he want Laxalt? No point spending a fortune for Laxalt and sticking him on the bench or buying him to relegate a player we rate to the bench.

There's one name I haven't seen mentioned yet - the original replacement for Biglia when he was almost out the door two years ago. And I'm amazed, so much so I ain't going to mention the name  :rolley:

Yeah i know Lukaku and Laxalt won't happen, sadly sinc Lukaku got here first.  :roll_eyes:

Wasn't difficult to work out by process of elimination  :supsmile:

I just find it interesting the player we seemed to line up to replace Biglia is probably better now and within our price range if we sell Biglia, and no journalist has mentioned his name.

Just saw your post, otherwise i would have been there in a second with that answer.
Yes, strangly Geis hasen't been mentioned, all other former links have.
I remember the German sayinb and i quote ' i'm flattered but not ready to go abroad yet' ... :twinkle:

But honestly, i have no idea how he's doing currently but it seems he's on the bench since Schalke changed coach and system.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 12, 2017, 12:11:28 AM
Lucas Leiva, date of birth - 9 January 1987.

Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 12, 2017, 12:15:18 AM
Lucas Leiva, date of birth - 9 January 1987.

The prophecy has been fulfilled.  Destined for Lazio.   :beer:   :bravo:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 12, 2017, 12:41:25 AM
Cathal so who you on about?  :supsmile:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: phantomm1976 on July 12, 2017, 01:00:19 AM
 Cathal, dont make us nervous  :supsmile:
 Leiva or someone else (better) ?
 I'm glad that today I didn't read nothing about :FA-SMS  to Inter.....but FA: we will do better this season....
 I hope that finally we will get those money from Milan and start working seriously.
 I think that until the end of the mercato we will have Memushaj here- good player,not expensive,could addapt in every role in midfield....Tare knows him well  :supsmile:. I'm OK with this transfer and I will consider this as the smart move.
 Costa arived,Bernardeschi is near, Dybala-Cuadrado stays....I cant be smart enough to see Keita in this team- this season ! I hope that we will not lose him for 0 .
 Lucas Leiva have a typical Biglia role and style, except his birthday he is FREE....so : Yes, his destiny could be Lazio.
 A lot of job in coming days....
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: dinhochester on July 12, 2017, 04:46:54 AM
I like Laxalt. I would buy him.
Perfect for LWB.
I think he will put Lukaku to bench.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: chandraicang on July 12, 2017, 09:42:03 AM
Chelsea centre back andreas christensen on Tare radar. I think he is great but it wont happen unless we sell one of our CB.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Danes on July 12, 2017, 10:11:44 AM
Chelsea centre back andreas christensen on Tare radar. I think he is great but it wont happen unless we sell one of our CB.

Link??

That would be amazing. Huge talent.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 12, 2017, 10:51:12 AM
I fear we would have no chance as there are bigger clubs who've been after him,, but yeah his talent is obvious and would be happy to see him here
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: drazvan on July 12, 2017, 10:52:39 AM
Actually Lucas Leiva would not be a bad option. Free, hard working. Would fit Tare's and Inzaghi's plans. Only his salary might be a problem.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Harmi1985 on July 12, 2017, 11:10:39 AM
i wish we could buy Lucas Alario
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: blue_sky on July 12, 2017, 11:15:37 AM
the thing is that Biglia will go to Auronzo.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Silindeee on July 12, 2017, 11:19:53 AM
About the GK position. Since we knew marchetti wont stay , why didnt we keep berisha?
It is better to keep Strakosha hoping he will get better than both of them ?
Because for me having a good GK is high priority if you want a good defence.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Giolazio on July 12, 2017, 11:56:33 AM
About the GK position. Since we knew marchetti wont stay , why didnt we keep berisha?
It is better to keep Strakosha hoping he will get better than both of them ?
Because for me having a good GK is high priority if you want a good defence.

Unfortunately there was a buy-out clause in his loan to Atalanta so there was nothing we could do unless they didn't want to sign him.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 12, 2017, 12:18:01 PM
http://www.football-italia.net/105625/lazio-line-keita-replacement (http://www.football-italia.net/105625/lazio-line-keita-replacement)

If true, Wouldn't this be a pretty lacklustre replacement for Keita?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Dakiller961 on July 12, 2017, 12:32:10 PM
[url]http://www.football-italia.net/105625/lazio-line-keita-replacement[/url] ([url]http://www.football-italia.net/105625/lazio-line-keita-replacement[/url])

If true, Wouldn't this be a pretty lacklustre replacement for Keita?


I honestly think Keita will stay. the only interested team is Chelsea now
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: stefano_40 on July 12, 2017, 12:34:24 PM
the thing is that Biglia will go to Auronzo.

Any more news on this?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: 117bono117 on July 12, 2017, 01:42:56 PM
on Biglia's case, i really hope that we sell for whatever price above 15 m ...
whenever a player is so anxious to leave, i feel that he wont give his best for his team.
especially when it comes to a character like biglia.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 12, 2017, 03:03:58 PM
The problem is that the longer we wait with selling biglia to Milan, the more risk there is they go for someone else, or by the time they buy him other interesting targets are gone
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: blue-white on July 12, 2017, 03:24:44 PM
Seems that Biglia missed his first fligt to get to the rest of the team.
Reports out there that he wants to discuss in the coming hours with the management his move to Milan.

I'm pretty sure that this transfer is solved in the coming days, so Biglia can fly with Milan to their China tour.

About Keita. Reports out, that Lotito will be in the next days in Auronzo to speak with Keita.
After peoblems with the transfer of Schick to Juve, maybe Juve tries now more to get him...

I believe, that Juve is not interested in getting him this year, especially after signing Costa now.
This saga will continue, and for now i believe more that there will may be a contract extension.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 12, 2017, 03:27:36 PM
Watch Biglia renew now.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: blue_sky on July 12, 2017, 03:44:41 PM
It's now or never. Hope when Biglia go to Milan, Tare have a few name in his pocket asap
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: valdanito on July 12, 2017, 04:17:55 PM
Baselli extended a with torino and papu with atalanta. Tick those two of the list....
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Sile on July 12, 2017, 04:26:37 PM
Seems we're really interested in Azmouni, or just a smokescreen while the Biglia and Keita situation get resolved
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: valdanito on July 12, 2017, 05:18:49 PM
Biglia on his way to auronzo
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Sile on July 12, 2017, 06:31:28 PM
Yeah seems like Milan cheaped out on Biglia but now somehow want to gez Bonucci, am I going crazy or is this looking ridiculous
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 12, 2017, 06:51:47 PM
So as been feared, Biglia dragging his feet while sighing heading towards Auronzo. ' :roll_eyes:

Anderlecht tried to keep him to before he moved here, soon he will send a note from his doctor to the club saying he's depressed and leave training.  That's what he did in Brussels, so i'm expecting something similar.

The captain of Lazio joining his teammates while dreaming of Milan, nice ... :um_face:

Lotito's hardball in this matter was gutsy,  but now it's becoming 'almost' a lost cause.
Milan is not going to caugh up extra millions just because he's at Auronzo instead of Rome, what do they care to fligh him over to Milan.  They know the player wants to join and Lazio will have to find a solution eventually.  They will wait and not up the bid, i know i wouldn't.  Lotito might feel he's holding the strings but he's not anymore, the risk of keeping him now at this point is a very bad option.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Silindeee on July 12, 2017, 06:51:55 PM
Guess who will renew soon then.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 12, 2017, 07:08:19 PM
After match against Auronzo, on journalist question about Biglia's arrival, Radu responded that team will welcome him open-handed; he's their captain after all and team wants that Biglia stays here for long.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: valdanito on July 12, 2017, 07:09:42 PM
Biglia wont quit training. There is a WC coming up and if he doesnt leave for Milan he will extend. He is not going to risk the WC.
That said, the ideal solution is to cash in on him.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 12, 2017, 07:22:37 PM
Radu also said that hopes for Keita and De Vrij to stay and that he's very impressed with Keita's process of growing and maturation. Team are, according to Radu, very satisfied with Keita.

And one curious note - when asked about Lucas Leiva, Radu didn't duck the bullet entirely - repeated that  team wait for Biglia but if Leiva arrives, he will serve very well given that will be more competition to take part this season. Something on horizon?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 12, 2017, 07:49:55 PM
So Leiva isn't just another rumourname one the list?

Curious if Di Gennaro is still on.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Addi1900 on July 12, 2017, 07:54:03 PM
ffs,
If Biglia leaves Lucas Leiva is a rumored replacement, if Keita leaves, some Iranian nobody is being rumored. Would be a huge step back in quality.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 12, 2017, 07:59:46 PM
So Leiva isn't just another rumourname one the list?


Need to hear audio, because on LLSN they're making to look like question (and answer) regards Leiva specific, while on club site Leiva's name doesn't appear, but phrase 'other players come in'.

And LLSN collaborate with Tmw and are basically click-bait site.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 12, 2017, 09:18:36 PM
According mediaset, the difference is 1mill to reach a deal.
Lotito lowered the demand of 20mill fixed + bonusses to 17mill fixed with Milan offering 16mill + bonus.

No way to be sure of course, but these are the only details being mentioned.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 12, 2017, 09:32:07 PM
Wouldn't believe Berlusconi's TV by any means, regarding this question. If you believe this unofficial Milan TV, Lotito and Milan arguing around two million difference for month and a half. But it's show for Milan masses, so let it be.

Personally, think that gap between offer and demand is quite big. Like - we ask for 22 million, Milan offered 12 at max until now, for example.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Silindeee on July 12, 2017, 09:37:09 PM
I dont think milan offered more than 15 mil . Not even close. But seeing their spending spree , lazio thinks they have much more to spend thats why we ask for 20 mil in my opinion.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 12, 2017, 09:50:10 PM
Wouldn't believe Berlusconi's TV by any means, regarding this question. If you believe this unofficial Milan TV, Lotito and Milan arguing around two million difference for month and a half. But it's show for Milan masses, so let it be.

Personally, think that gap between offer and demand is quite big. Like - we ask for 22 million, Milan offered 12 at max until now, for example.

It would be quit stupid to risk a deal like this for 1 mill, indeed.  :roll_eyes:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: drazvan on July 13, 2017, 09:54:39 AM
I would take Di Gennaro anyway. Hard working italian, fits the Parolo type, right age and free. Would be a very useful backup. I expect that we wait for Cataldi to leave.

About Biglia - to be honest I think Milan is not that interested and that's the problem. Is more that Biglia wants to join them and they know it. But I dont see them paying more than 13 mil (their last formal offer) for a 32 yo who would also get 3.5 mil per year for 4 years.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: dinhochester on July 13, 2017, 10:07:40 AM
The more i think, Biglia fit the 352 tactic, dont you guys think?
So, it is good to keep him in that sense.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: lazioserbia on July 13, 2017, 10:24:42 AM
The more i think, Biglia fit the 352 tactic, dont you guys think?
So, it is good to keep him in that sense.

It's not good for him to stay in any sense. He has lost my respect and I'm pretty sure every fan is thinking the same.

Players who think that they are bigger than the club are not welcome and what Biglia is doing shows what kind of moral pussy he is.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: kevlar on July 13, 2017, 10:28:26 AM
The more i think, Biglia fit the 352 tactic, dont you guys think?
So, it is good to keep him in that sense.

The more I think, I'm tired of having a "captain", who seems to be oh so so miserable, who's having 100 sighs per day and who even doesn't want to be here at all.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: blue-white on July 13, 2017, 04:06:16 PM
Bonucci for 40 mill. to Milan ...nothing official, but deal seems to be ok.

excited if Biglia will also end there soon...
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: dinhochester on July 13, 2017, 04:12:03 PM
Why Bonucci want to leave Juve?
Why he want Milan?
Big win for Milan if this happen.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 13, 2017, 04:14:58 PM
Since Biglia move looks dead, new cazzata with Bonucci started from Berlusconi's boys.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: blue-white on July 13, 2017, 04:15:41 PM
seems to be ... problems with Allegri.

And...Milan has money now. 6 mill salary per year. and it seems ... if he leaves Juve, he wants to stay in Italy. So, there is only Milan or Inter. And Milan is throwing with money in the moment....

and because of that, i don't believe this whole Biglia saga.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: valdanito on July 13, 2017, 04:22:52 PM
Biglia is said to have told a fan he doesn't thinks he's going to Milan.

What i fear is that if bonucci goes to milan is that juve might come knocking the door asking for devrij.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: blue-white on July 13, 2017, 04:24:49 PM
Biglia is said to have told a fan he doesn't thinks he's going to Milan.

What i fear is that if bonucci goes to milan is that juve might come knocking the door asking for devrij.

...i hope they do. We will loose him for free if he stays and until next year without a new contract.

And Biglia ... what fans say...
we will see
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: valdanito on July 13, 2017, 04:32:29 PM
I genuinely believe that if Biglia and De Vrij are not sold they will all sign extensions. I have my doubts about Keita though...
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: dinhochester on July 13, 2017, 04:59:22 PM
It seems Bonucci want to stay in Italy due to the doctor that he trust to take care his son illness is in Italy.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 13, 2017, 05:06:07 PM
If Bonucci changes colors, De Vrij price may goes up as well.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Hadi Van Der Vaart on July 13, 2017, 05:08:53 PM
Oh shit, if Milan get Bonucci, they dont need biglia anymore because they have Bonucci who will do biglia's job. Where else we can ship out this guy now? I believe it's gonna be awkward situation in locker room with biglia in there.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: phantomm1976 on July 13, 2017, 05:35:05 PM
 Biglia has nothing to do with Bonucci....
 If Montela played with playmaker at Fiore, try this with Milan (doesnt work)....I understand why he want Biglia.
 Lucas is older ....but Milan dont have problems with money- like us : we used him, he did great work, he can stil be useful....but ages  :ops:!!!
 
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: valdanito on July 13, 2017, 05:45:30 PM
And as expected and predicted the first De Vrij rumors to Juventus popping up.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Harmi1985 on July 13, 2017, 06:22:13 PM
why would Juventus need Di Vrij tho when they have Rugani and Caldara to step in should Bonucci be sold?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 13, 2017, 06:28:01 PM
Rumors appeared to died off during last 48 hours - thus expect some transfer very soon.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cataldi4thewin on July 13, 2017, 06:33:06 PM
Bonucci should stay this one last season. He should be in complete sync with Chiellini Barzagli Rugani for the World Cup.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Ed on July 13, 2017, 07:16:42 PM
:what: Bonucci to Milan? Really? What on earth is going on? Silly season just became stupid season.

Lucas flippin' Leiva is a step backwards for virtually any top division team let alone us. At the moment I dread to see where we are going to end up with the kind of names we are being linked with and still departures possible if not probable.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: valdanito on July 13, 2017, 07:33:21 PM
LoTare asking for 25 to Juve for De Vrij?

Why would you ask for 20 for Biglia to only later go on and ask for 25 for De Vrij?

If Biglia is worth 20, De Vrij should not leave for anything under 30.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Giolazio on July 13, 2017, 08:07:09 PM
If Juve want De Vrij then they can give us Mandragora, Rugani and let us keep Portanova... :supsmile:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: valdanito on July 13, 2017, 09:03:18 PM
Biglia to milan tomorrow according to di marzio
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: LazialefromGhent on July 13, 2017, 09:10:43 PM
bye bye

I honestly believe he will regret this decision.
Now let the mercato begin.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: phantomm1976 on July 13, 2017, 09:14:29 PM
 Yes, let the mercato begin.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: valdanito on July 13, 2017, 09:17:01 PM
Regret? Its easy for us to say as lazio fans. If i were not a lazio fan and i would hVe to choose between an ambitious project like milan and an unexisting unambitous one like lazio, I am pretty sure 99% of ppl would go to milan.

We lack ambition, we have not tried once to aim high under lotito.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 13, 2017, 09:21:47 PM
Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: LazialefromGhent on July 13, 2017, 09:29:01 PM
He'll maybe play 2-3 years longer at best in Milan. Financially he might make some more money but difference won't be very big.
I would prefer to become a respected captain and end career in style.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 13, 2017, 09:37:14 PM
Adios, without much regrets.

But don't believe for second until I see it.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: ArmLaziale on July 13, 2017, 09:38:15 PM
I hope this becomes true, I am so tired of this guy, leave already.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cataldi4thewin on July 13, 2017, 09:43:10 PM
when i see him in a milan jersey ill believe it. there have been so many rumours that never happen already. really glad this guy is leaving, not because he is a bad player but the disrespect towards the club even as captain.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: valdanito on July 13, 2017, 09:55:38 PM
He'll maybe play 2-3 years longer at best in Milan. Financially he might make some more money but difference won't be very big.
I would prefer to become a respected captain and end career in style.


Sure and i would rather captain levante than aim for titles with barcelona or real madrid
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: LazialefromGhent on July 13, 2017, 10:02:32 PM
He'll maybe play 2-3 years longer at best in Milan. Financially he might make some more money but difference won't be very big.
I would prefer to become a respected captain and end career in style.


Sure and i would rather captain levante than aim for titles with barcelona or real madrid

Levante? You would compare Lazio to Levante? This is a very different situation. Milan still don't come close to Juve and Napoli squad, they can aim for top 4 place.

Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 13, 2017, 10:02:43 PM
If we can believe Dimarzio the deal would be 17mill plus bonusses.  If true Lotito pulled of a big one here. 
It could end in around 20mill then for a 32y old midfielder, that's impressive.

But let's not get ahead, there have been reports like this a couple of times during the saga, 'we'll see' ...  :twinkle:

Further details whisper the deal finished during a phonecall between Lotito and Fassone, after Biglia had some verbal trouble from fans during training today, but that's unproven.  Some will say or think this wasn't an issue but i believe it did have some influence also.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Giolazio on July 13, 2017, 10:06:24 PM
Later Gater
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: valdanito on July 13, 2017, 10:09:11 PM
He'll maybe play 2-3 years longer at best in Milan. Financially he might make some more money but difference won't be very big.
I would prefer to become a respected captain and end career in style.


Sure and i would rather captain levante than aim for titles with barcelona or real madrid

Levante? You would compare Lazio to Levante? This is a very different situation. Milan still don't come close to Juve and Napoli squad, they can aim for top 4 place.



You get the point. There is no doubt milan are assembling a squad that will be aiming for the title. Regardless of what we want to believe.

Lazio project? Marusic to compete with the big boys...
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: valdanito on July 13, 2017, 10:20:03 PM
And we can assume all we want. But was biglia really ever offered an extension? Same tor keita and de vrij... has he given anyone guarantees of building a competitive squad?

Again, for us fans its easier to just blame biglia. But facts are we should have nver waited so long. Lotito always trying to squueze each penny he can.

Mercato is far from over, but if i had to predict and wildly guess, we wont have a squad good enough to compete for european places next season.

One step forward and three backward, lotito style.

But chill , have 10 years passed since he said we will be as good as real madrid? Why is no one here not holding lotito responsible for his promises.

I wouldnt be surprised fir one second if lotito failed to keep any promises to biglia.

Completely understand the move and i wish the dry baby a happy future.

Can i be the first to say it this season? Lotito v......
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: flurffmeister on July 13, 2017, 10:32:53 PM
And we can assume all we want. But was biglia really ever offered an extension? Same tor keita and de vrij... has he given anyone guarantees of building a competitive squad?

Again, for us fans its easier to just blame biglia. But facts are we should have nver waited so long. Lotito always trying to squueze each penny he can.

Mercato is far from over, but if i had to predict and wildly guess, we wont have a squad good enough to compete for european places next season.

One step forward and three backward, lotito style.

But chill , have 10 years passed since he said we will be as good as real madrid? Why is no one here not holding lotito responsible for his promises.

I wouldnt be surprised fir one second if lotito failed to keep any promises to biglia.

Completely understand the move and i wish the dry baby a happy future.

Can i be the first to say it this season? Lotito v......

Kudos to every word you wrote.

This is lotito , the same president who receives death threats everyday from the fans, he is the reason why we had sold 7 season tickets last term , how can star players like Biglia and Keita may want to stay in a team with no ambition.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 13, 2017, 10:33:33 PM
Personally I am not really sure where we go from here. I wouldn't mind cashing in on both keita and de vrij after biglia leaves, I'd rather start over now and rebuild with a team of motivated players over constantly delaying the inevitable and not moving forward as a club.

Our players get comfortable in lazio because of lack of competition in the team and then they want to leave as soon as a new club comes knocking.

My worry is that the first transfer we did today is a sign of what is to come. A bunch of players from lesser leagues where you are like ok, if this guy is to be successful he basically needs to surprise everyone. That's how I felt about our first transfer and I still can't believe we paid that sum of money for him. Either tare knows something we don't or we got played hard. If he turns out to be a flop then I am going to complain about igli tare again.



Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Giolazio on July 13, 2017, 10:34:39 PM
He'll maybe play 2-3 years longer at best in Milan. Financially he might make some more money but difference won't be very big.
I would prefer to become a respected captain and end career in style.


Sure and i would rather captain levante than aim for titles with barcelona or real madrid

Levante? You would compare Lazio to Levante? This is a very different situation. Milan still don't come close to Juve and Napoli squad, they can aim for top 4 place.



You get the point. There is no doubt milan are assembling a squad that will be aiming for the title. Regardless of what we want to believe.

Lazio project? Marusic to compete with the big boys...

Sick of reading as soon as team X,Y or Z start doing something they are the one's with the project and we don't. What have Milan been doing for the last 10 years? Sweet FA. What are they doing now? Literally putting ALL their eggs in one basket with fake money which will likely lead them to go bankrupt. But hey, that's a project I guess... :whistle:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cnon on July 13, 2017, 10:34:46 PM
If it's up to me, I'd sell Biglia. Not because I don't like him or his attitude but because now is definitely the last time to do so. If we can get close to 20 million euros, then it's a great deal. Sure, we can't replace him because there aren't really players who are as good as him for the money we have. But we can build for the future, 1 step back now but 2 steps forward in 2-3 years.

But if there wouldn't have been any good offers, then I'd gladly kept Biglia. He is definitely a great player in the role he is playing and can easily play at least 2 great seasons. Don't really agree with most of the people here, he is/was an amazing player for us and our captain. We should be glad to have him here, not say bad things about him...
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Giolazio on July 13, 2017, 10:36:25 PM
Either tare knows something we don't or we got played hard.

No offence man but I think Tare knows a heck of a lot more than you, I or anyone in here knows. That's why he is where he is and why we are where we are.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: drazvan on July 13, 2017, 10:37:24 PM
If we sell Biglia for 17 mil and get Lucas Leiva and Di Gennaro for free, its a big step forward if you ask me. If we invest the rest in a good striker, I think we can do well next season.I don't expect massive transfers, I expect players like Strakosha, Patric, Lukaku, Hoedt, Milinkovic, Lombardi, Murgia, etc to grow. If they are good enough - I don't know. We will see.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: drazvan on July 13, 2017, 10:39:22 PM
Either tare knows something we don't or we got played hard.

No offence man but I think Tare knows a heck of a lot more than you, I or anyone in here knows. That's why he is where he is and why we are where we are.

Biglia, Milinkovic, Lukaku came from the same lesser league. All are doing just fine if you ask me. There is no guarantee, but might be a good investment.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: valdanito on July 13, 2017, 10:40:37 PM
Nor Di Gennaro nor Lucas Leiva are good enough to tie Biglias shoelaces.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 13, 2017, 10:42:02 PM
Either tare knows something we don't or we got played hard.

No offence man but I think Tare knows a heck of a lot more than you, I or anyone in here knows. That's why he is where he is and why we are where we are.

No offence taken at all, but wouldn't you agree with me that we've seen some strange transfers from tare over the years?

With him it's very much hit and miss and I don't like the fact we play hit and miss with 8 mill euros, especially when you get the idea that was our entire mercato budget if no one is sold

Again communication also comes into play here. The club could have gone out and said they had followed this player for a long time and had scouted him thoroughly.

I sometimes get the feeling we're buying players solely on feedback from agents.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: valdanito on July 13, 2017, 10:42:37 PM
He'll maybe play 2-3 years longer at best in Milan. Financially he might make some more money but difference won't be very big.
I would prefer to become a respected captain and end career in style.


Sure and i would rather captain levante than aim for titles with barcelona or real madrid

Levante? You would compare Lazio to Levante? This is a very different situation. Milan still don't come close to Juve and Napoli squad, they can aim for top 4 place.



You get the point. There is no doubt milan are assembling a squad that will be aiming for the title. Regardless of what we want to believe.

Lazio project? Marusic to compete with the big boys...

Sick of reading as soon as team X,Y or Z start doing something they are the one's with the project and we don't. What have Milan been doing for the last 10 years? Sweet FA. What are they doing now? Literally putting ALL their eggs in one basket with fake money which will likely lead them to go bankrupt. But hey, that's a project I guess... :whistle:

And all the players who joined Milan and their agents who represent them know nothing, but somehow we know its fake invisible money.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Rizmo on July 13, 2017, 10:46:20 PM
Either tare knows something we don't or we got played hard.

No offence man but I think Tare knows a heck of a lot more than you, I or anyone in here knows. That's why he is where he is and why we are where we are.

No offence taken at all, but wouldn't you agree with me that we've seen some strange transfers from tare over the years?

With him it's very much hit and miss and I don't like the fact we play hit and miss with 8 mill euros, especially when you get the idea that was our entire mercato budget if no one is sold

Again communication also comes into play here. The club could have gone out and said they had followed this player for a long time and had scouted him thoroughly.

I sometimes get the feeling we're buying players solely on feedback from agents.

Why do you take it for granted that the media's guess about the transfer fee for Marusic is accurate? They've been wrong many times and I suspect it will be less this time as well. You can atleast wait until the accounts are avaliable for the public before criticising Tare for blowing all our budget. You also don't have a clue what our budget is. Just because LLSN writes €15m doesn't mean that's correct.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: LazialefromGhent on July 13, 2017, 10:47:20 PM
No way we paid 8M for Marusic. Probably 4-5
Source?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Giolazio on July 13, 2017, 10:49:02 PM
He'll maybe play 2-3 years longer at best in Milan. Financially he might make some more money but difference won't be very big.
I would prefer to become a respected captain and end career in style.


Sure and i would rather captain levante than aim for titles with barcelona or real madrid

Levante? You would compare Lazio to Levante? This is a very different situation. Milan still don't come close to Juve and Napoli squad, they can aim for top 4 place.



You get the point. There is no doubt milan are assembling a squad that will be aiming for the title. Regardless of what we want to believe.

Lazio project? Marusic to compete with the big boys...

Sick of reading as soon as team X,Y or Z start doing something they are the one's with the project and we don't. What have Milan been doing for the last 10 years? Sweet FA. What are they doing now? Literally putting ALL their eggs in one basket with fake money which will likely lead them to go bankrupt. But hey, that's a project I guess... :whistle:

And all the players who joined Milan and their agents who represent them know nothing, but somehow we know its fake invisible money.

Why would any of them give a damn? They will get paid until the balloon bursts no?

Cathal has already provided information on the Chinese investment company countless times, there have been articles written about the same kind of investments. No success = bankruptcy.

It's like when everyone was creaming themselves over Pallotta, riomma and Goldman Sachs...pretty different picture now? How many trophies did it win them? Pretty sure we won more in the period...
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Rizmo on July 13, 2017, 10:53:13 PM
He'll maybe play 2-3 years longer at best in Milan. Financially he might make some more money but difference won't be very big.
I would prefer to become a respected captain and end career in style.


Sure and i would rather captain levante than aim for titles with barcelona or real madrid

Levante? You would compare Lazio to Levante? This is a very different situation. Milan still don't come close to Juve and Napoli squad, they can aim for top 4 place.



You get the point. There is no doubt milan are assembling a squad that will be aiming for the title. Regardless of what we want to believe.

Lazio project? Marusic to compete with the big boys...

Sick of reading as soon as team X,Y or Z start doing something they are the one's with the project and we don't. What have Milan been doing for the last 10 years? Sweet FA. What are they doing now? Literally putting ALL their eggs in one basket with fake money which will likely lead them to go bankrupt. But hey, that's a project I guess... :whistle:

And all the players who joined Milan and their agents who represent them know nothing, but somehow we know its fake invisible money.

Fake, borrowed... call it what you want. If you feel that an unknown Chinese investor with borrowed American money go on a crazy shopping spree is a healthy and sound project for your football club then you can actually support Milan. Looks like almighty Biglia will play there next season as well. Winwin.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 13, 2017, 10:54:09 PM
It's true we should forget about what other clubs are doing or trying to do and instead just focus on building our own success, besides we can't copy what other clubs are doing because we don't have the money

Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: valdanito on July 13, 2017, 10:55:41 PM
He'll maybe play 2-3 years longer at best in Milan. Financially he might make some more money but difference won't be very big.
I would prefer to become a respected captain and end career in style.


Sure and i would rather captain levante than aim for titles with barcelona or real madrid

Levante? You would compare Lazio to Levante? This is a very different situation. Milan still don't come close to Juve and Napoli squad, they can aim for top 4 place.



You get the point. There is no doubt milan are assembling a squad that will be aiming for the title. Regardless of what we want to believe.

Lazio project? Marusic to compete with the big boys...

Sick of reading as soon as team X,Y or Z start doing something they are the one's with the project and we don't. What have Milan been doing for the last 10 years? Sweet FA. What are they doing now? Literally putting ALL their eggs in one basket with fake money which will likely lead them to go bankrupt. But hey, that's a project I guess... :whistle:

And all the players who joined Milan and their agents who represent them know nothing, but somehow we know its fake invisible money.

Fake, borrowed... call it what you want. If you feel that an unknown Chinese investor with borrowed American money go on a crazy shopping spree is a healthy and sound project for your football club then you can actually support Milan. Looks like almighty Biglia will play there next season as well. Winwin.

No need to give me the attitude.
Thanks for your comment...

I have been through rougher patches and still stick around, again, my apologies for not being happy with your president.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Giolazio on July 13, 2017, 10:56:02 PM
Either tare knows something we don't or we got played hard.

No offence man but I think Tare knows a heck of a lot more than you, I or anyone in here knows. That's why he is where he is and why we are where we are.

No offence taken at all, but wouldn't you agree with me that we've seen some strange transfers from tare over the years?

With him it's very much hit and miss and I don't like the fact we play hit and miss with 8 mill euros, especially when you get the idea that was our entire mercato budget if no one is sold

Again communication also comes into play here. The club could have gone out and said they had followed this player for a long time and had scouted him thoroughly.

I sometimes get the feeling we're buying players solely on feedback from agents.

Why do you take it for granted that the media's guess about the transfer fee for Marusic is accurate?

That was going to be my first point too.

@ilsempre, can you agree that we are way behind in terms of revenue of the 'big 5'? Despite that we always compete with them, don't always finish top 5 but we are always in with a shout.

The only way a team like us can beat these guys is:

A) They have a poor season and we punch above our weight.
B) We take risks in the market.

By taking risks I mean that we try and think out of the box. The young players, the good players from lower leagues, the Serie A players like Parolo or Immobile who need another chance etc.

The unfortunate thing, and this will never change even if we win the Scudetto, players will always want to leave us. There are two teams in the world, and only two, that can keep their players - Real and Barca. Not even Juve or Man U can keep players if those clubs come knocking.

This is where the club need people to be realistic when it comes to using the term project.

Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: drazvan on July 13, 2017, 10:57:04 PM
I find it funny how people cry about a 32 yo player to whom we offered 2.5 mil euro (+0.5) in bonuses for the next 5 years after playing 25 games per season the past years...and how they praise Milan for making all the clubs in Europe rich by buying stupidly for huge amounts...lol
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Giolazio on July 13, 2017, 10:59:45 PM
I find it funny how people cry about a 32 yo player to whom we offered 2.5 mil euro (+0.5) in bonuses for the next 5 years after playing 25 games per season the past years...and how they praise Milan for making all the clubs in Europe rich by buying stupidly for huge amounts...lol

 :bravo:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Rizmo on July 13, 2017, 11:06:03 PM
Buhuglias agent confirms that his client is going to Milan tomorrow and that he is no more sad puppy but very happy puppy about the move!

Seems Buhuglia is now Bhihiglia!
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cataldi4thewin on July 13, 2017, 11:10:22 PM

No offence man but I think Tare knows a heck of a lot more than you, I or anyone in here knows. That's why he is where he is and why we are where we are.

Gio I think your giving Tare too much credit. He was just a player who got friendly with Lotito and was willing to work for cheap under Lotito. He's just an average Joe with resources. Nothing special, both you and I could have equal fails/success as Tare.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 13, 2017, 11:10:54 PM
I can't believe these exact same negative reactions come in after a starter get's sold or a 'prospect' comes in.  Aren't you guys getting tired doing this? 

I love Lazio, so i want the club to work of it's debts (made by a president you guys are asking for again), while staying as competitive as possible on a normal budget, and keep existing as a club in it's full originallity for ages to come. 

Lotito has been going over this budget at times to keep competing so i won't complain about current business.  I can't even find a sane reason to complain, there's no logic in doing so unless one does not grasp reality.

If we sell Biglia for 17 mil and get Lucas Leiva and Di Gennaro for free, its a big step forward if you ask me. If we invest the rest in a good striker, I think we can do well next season.I don't expect massive transfers, I expect players like Strakosha, Patric, Lukaku, Hoedt, Milinkovic, Lombardi, Murgia, etc to grow. If they are good enough - I don't know. We will see.

I'll go with this thinking, after Biglia the mercato can begin and the team, can fully take on it's new shape under Inzaghi.  Hopefully without depending on a classic DM regista but with dynamic counterplay.  In that vision i'm reluctant about Leiva who's also a more static DM not appearing up front.  So if 352 is the idea then i'm not pro on him.  Still hoping on Walace but knowing the chance is very slim.

I find it funny how people cry about a 32 yo player to whom we offered 2.5 mil euro (+0.5) in bonuses for the next 5 years after playing 25 games per season the past years...and how they praise Milan for making all the clubs in Europe rich by buying stupidly for huge amounts...lol

 :beer:   :bravo:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Giolazio on July 13, 2017, 11:16:31 PM

No offence man but I think Tare knows a heck of a lot more than you, I or anyone in here knows. That's why he is where he is and why we are where we are.

Gio I think your giving Tare too much credit. He was just a player who got friendly with Lotito and was willing to work for cheap under Lotito. He's just an average Joe with resources. Nothing special, both you and I could have equal fails/success as Tare.

Come on man  :supsmile: Not saying I don't know much about football but I wouldn't have picked out Lulic or Milinkovic Savic on my own. Not denying the guy has agents that offer him players but it's far from being as simple as people make out.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cataldi4thewin on July 13, 2017, 11:47:37 PM
Right ok, maybe you wouldn't have picked out Lulic, but you may have spotted how good Gomez actually is and spent the money on him instead. Perhaps you would be more fond of players from the Belgian and Dutch league picked out Mertens or Van Dijk. Sergej has a u-21 world cup stand out. Don't forget all the players who he got terribly wrong.

Dont think you couldn't have done a good job as Tare just because you never got offered the job. He just approves and has final say. His job is demanding, but as long as you have soccer sense you can do an equal job as Tare. Like I believe I could do at least as good as Tare. Who is Tare? nobody, just a guy willing to work for cheap.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Giolazio on July 13, 2017, 11:52:03 PM
Right ok, maybe you wouldn't have picked out Lulic, but you may have spotted how good Gomez actually is and spent the money on him instead. Perhaps you would be more fond of players from the Belgian and Dutch league picked out Mertens or Van Dijk. Sergej has a u-21 world cup stand out. Don't forget all the players who he got terribly wrong.

Dont think you couldn't have done a good job as Tare just because you never got offered the job. He just approves and has final say. His job is demanding, but as long as you have soccer sense you can do an equal job as Tare. Like I believe I could do at least as good as Tare. Who is Tare? nobody, just a guy willing to work for cheap.

Remember Tare is highly regarded in Italy and it's no secret that Inter have wanted him for a while.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Secret_Samadhi on July 13, 2017, 11:56:33 PM
He'll maybe play 2-3 years longer at best in Milan. Financially he might make some more money but difference won't be very big.
I would prefer to become a respected captain and end career in style.


Sure and i would rather captain levante than aim for titles with barcelona or real madrid

Levante? You would compare Lazio to Levante? This is a very different situation. Milan still don't come close to Juve and Napoli squad, they can aim for top 4 place.



You get the point. There is no doubt milan are assembling a squad that will be aiming for the title. Regardless of what we want to believe.

Lazio project? Marusic to compete with the big boys...

Sick of reading as soon as team X,Y or Z start doing something they are the one's with the project and we don't. What have Milan been doing for the last 10 years? Sweet FA. What are they doing now? Literally putting ALL their eggs in one basket with fake money which will likely lead them to go bankrupt. But hey, that's a project I guess... :whistle:
You are naive if you think a club like Milan will go bankrupt or that italian footboll will allow that to happen. Lotito have no project, it's a fact.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cataldi4thewin on July 14, 2017, 12:06:55 AM

Remember Tare is highly regarded in Italy and it's no secret that Inter have wanted him for a while.

Tare highly rated  :supsmile:  good one.

Oh you believed Inter was interested did you? Italian journalists get you every now and then
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Giolazio on July 14, 2017, 12:30:12 AM
He'll maybe play 2-3 years longer at best in Milan. Financially he might make some more money but difference won't be very big.
I would prefer to become a respected captain and end career in style.


Sure and i would rather captain levante than aim for titles with barcelona or real madrid

Levante? You would compare Lazio to Levante? This is a very different situation. Milan still don't come close to Juve and Napoli squad, they can aim for top 4 place.



You get the point. There is no doubt milan are assembling a squad that will be aiming for the title. Regardless of what we want to believe.

Lazio project? Marusic to compete with the big boys...

Sick of reading as soon as team X,Y or Z start doing something they are the one's with the project and we don't. What have Milan been doing for the last 10 years? Sweet FA. What are they doing now? Literally putting ALL their eggs in one basket with fake money which will likely lead them to go bankrupt. But hey, that's a project I guess... :whistle:
You are naive if you think a club like Milan will go bankrupt or that italian footboll will allow that to happen. Lotito have no project, it's a fact.

Is it?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: dinhochester on July 14, 2017, 12:55:51 AM
Biglia agent: Biglia is so happy with the move.
Who would have thought?
Thank you so much captain.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: valdanito on July 14, 2017, 12:59:59 AM
He'll maybe play 2-3 years longer at best in Milan. Financially he might make some more money but difference won't be very big.
I would prefer to become a respected captain and end career in style.


Sure and i would rather captain levante than aim for titles with barcelona or real madrid

Levante? You would compare Lazio to Levante? This is a very different situation. Milan still don't come close to Juve and Napoli squad, they can aim for top 4 place.



You get the point. There is no doubt milan are assembling a squad that will be aiming for the title. Regardless of what we want to believe.

Lazio project? Marusic to compete with the big boys...

Sick of reading as soon as team X,Y or Z start doing something they are the one's with the project and we don't. What have Milan been doing for the last 10 years? Sweet FA. What are they doing now? Literally putting ALL their eggs in one basket with fake money which will likely lead them to go bankrupt. But hey, that's a project I guess... :whistle:

And all the players who joined Milan and their agents who represent them know nothing, but somehow we know its fake invisible money.

Fake, borrowed... call it what you want. If you feel that an unknown Chinese investor with borrowed American money go on a crazy shopping spree is a healthy and sound project for your football club then you can actually support Milan. Looks like almighty Biglia will play there next season as well. Winwin.

No need to give me the attitude.
Thanks for your comment...

I have been through rougher patches and still stick around, again, my apologies for not being happy with your president.

Actually I tried to be the bigger man about it, but I can't let is slide.
who exactly do you think you are? Get off your high horse. Who are you to question my love for this team?

PRICK!
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: christ_JM on July 14, 2017, 03:16:56 AM
Very good deal imo.

Even if Biglia performs for 3-4 years it is still a great deal.

If Leiva is a free agent and we need a DM in some games I don't mind the signing even if it doesn't work out.

I still believe that we would need to sign a CM as well as Leiva.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: dinhochester on July 14, 2017, 03:59:23 AM
Man, this Bonucci to Milan is a game changer to Milan.
Juve will miss him a lot.

Actually there is similarity between Biglia and Bonucci transfer.
Both wants to stay in Italy.
Hence, transfer price is pretty low because both players already choose the team they wanted to go to.
The clubs dont have high bargaining power anymore.
Bonucci is reported sold for 40 million.

We need ball distributing defender.
At least we got Hoedt.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: phantomm1976 on July 14, 2017, 05:59:32 AM
 Officially , how much we will get ?
 With three CD is necessary to keep DV now. If Hoedt improve this season than we will have two CD-s who knows to distribute the ball....and for 80 % of the matches in serie-a that could work, but against strong teams we need someone with the Biglia quality's(we dont need a Parolo mistake vs Milan for example).
 Leiva ? he have experience....but I dont know how he will fit in Italy .
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: flurffmeister on July 14, 2017, 07:45:56 AM
He'll maybe play 2-3 years longer at best in Milan. Financially he might make some more money but difference won't be very big.
I would prefer to become a respected captain and end career in style.


Sure and i would rather captain levante than aim for titles with barcelona or real madrid

Levante? You would compare Lazio to Levante? This is a very different situation. Milan still don't come close to Juve and Napoli squad, they can aim for top 4 place.



You get the point. There is no doubt milan are assembling a squad that will be aiming for the title. Regardless of what we want to believe.

Lazio project? Marusic to compete with the big boys...

Sick of reading as soon as team X,Y or Z start doing something they are the one's with the project and we don't. What have Milan been doing for the last 10 years? Sweet FA. What are they doing now? Literally putting ALL their eggs in one basket with fake money which will likely lead them to go bankrupt. But hey, that's a project I guess... :whistle:

And all the players who joined Milan and their agents who represent them know nothing, but somehow we know its fake invisible money.

Fake, borrowed... call it what you want. If you feel that an unknown Chinese investor with borrowed American money go on a crazy shopping spree is a healthy and sound project for your football club then you can actually support Milan. Looks like almighty Biglia will play there next season as well. Winwin.

No need to give me the attitude.
Thanks for your comment...

I have been through rougher patches and still stick around, again, my apologies for not being happy with your president.

Actually I tried to be the bigger man about it, but I can't let is slide.
who exactly do you think you are? Get off your high horse. Who are you to question my love for this team?

PRICK!
Put an end to this argument, there is no need to test each other's Lazialita.
Biglia is gone and i blame Lotito for it , i remember last year players complaining that Lotito has abandoned the squad for 2 months, to go to the Euro and watch the NT and side by his friend Tavecchio and forgot that Anderson wanted to go to olympics, Keita is being paid 800 000 De vrij 1 million and Biglia wanted out, this basically led to Keita and Anderson not showing up to the training.Question is have Biglia and Keita been offered that much of money? why let the star players enter the last year of contract with uncertainty? why has Biglia delayed the contract renewal from september up until now? too many mysteries but for sure Lotito is the one to blame for giving the players this space to manipulate Lazio.
One last thing , when exactly are we going to spend on reinforcement without having to sell any player to fund these moves? now we are waiting Biglia's sale to fund a vice immobile a biglia's heir and a right back, and i think Lotito pushed for this move because he cannot pay for these 3 reinforcements unless he sells someone.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Secret_Samadhi on July 14, 2017, 07:47:26 AM
He'll maybe play 2-3 years longer at best in Milan. Financially he might make some more money but difference won't be very big.
I would prefer to become a respected captain and end career in style.


Sure and i would rather captain levante than aim for titles with barcelona or real madrid

Levante? You would compare Lazio to Levante? This is a very different situation. Milan still don't come close to Juve and Napoli squad, they can aim for top 4 place.



You get the point. There is no doubt milan are assembling a squad that will be aiming for the title. Regardless of what we want to believe.

Lazio project? Marusic to compete with the big boys...

Sick of reading as soon as team X,Y or Z start doing something they are the one's with the project and we don't. What have Milan been doing for the last 10 years? Sweet FA. What are they doing now? Literally putting ALL their eggs in one basket with fake money which will likely lead them to go bankrupt. But hey, that's a project I guess... :whistle:
You are naive if you think a club like Milan will go bankrupt or that italian footboll will allow that to happen. Lotito have no project, it's a fact.

Is it?
Yapp. But keep beliving that Milan will go bankrupt.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: flurffmeister on July 14, 2017, 08:00:22 AM
He'll maybe play 2-3 years longer at best in Milan. Financially he might make some more money but difference won't be very big.
I would prefer to become a respected captain and end career in style.


Sure and i would rather captain levante than aim for titles with barcelona or real madrid

Levante? You would compare Lazio to Levante? This is a very different situation. Milan still don't come close to Juve and Napoli squad, they can aim for top 4 place.



You get the point. There is no doubt milan are assembling a squad that will be aiming for the title. Regardless of what we want to believe.

Lazio project? Marusic to compete with the big boys...

Sick of reading as soon as team X,Y or Z start doing something they are the one's with the project and we don't. What have Milan been doing for the last 10 years? Sweet FA. What are they doing now? Literally putting ALL their eggs in one basket with fake money which will likely lead them to go bankrupt. But hey, that's a project I guess... :whistle:
You are naive if you think a club like Milan will go bankrupt or that italian footboll will allow that to happen. Lotito have no project, it's a fact.

Is it?
Yapp. But keep beliving that Milan will go bankrupt.
Milan Bankrupt? i think the government would bankrupt but Milan will stay solid!
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: drazvan on July 14, 2017, 08:15:33 AM
How is selling Biglia equal to not having a project? Can somebody explain? I mean our project is to grow new talents while maintaining a solid base of players that want to stay and play here and don't ask 3 Mil per year salary. We cannot afford to pay 3 Mil per year to any player. So the biglia renewal was a desperate act from Lotito to please him and against our project of you ask me. Biglia was actually destabilizing the project and as soon as he is sold the better. Any of the mentioned names can replace him and our project will be safe. Problem is that people expect big names to come for big amount and fail to see that we developed players like keita, milinkovic, felipe, de vrij and others to follow (Hoedt, Wallace, murgia,..) which are the Base of what we are doing. Building a young team capable of winning and capable of sustaining itself. We can sell one player per season and basically have enough money for bringing new talent. With some luck this project might even bring us to CL. While other teams borrow hundreds of millions to buy overrated players and tie them with huge contracts.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: flurffmeister on July 14, 2017, 08:22:56 AM
How is selling Biglia equal to not having a project? Can somebody explain? I mean our project is to grow new talents while maintaining a solid base of players that want to stay and play here and don't ask 3 Mil per year salary. We cannot afford to pay 3 Mil per year to any player. So the biglia renewal was a desperate act from Lotito to please him and against our project of you ask me. Biglia was actually destabilizing the project and as soon as he is sold the better. Any of the mentioned names can replace him and our project will be safe. Problem is that people expect big names to come for big amount and fail to see that we developed players like keita, milinkovic, felipe, de vrij and others to follow (Hoedt, Wallace, murgia,..) which are the Base of what we are doing. Building a young team capable of winning and capable of sustaining itself. We can sell one player per season and basically have enough money for bringing new talent. With some luck this project might even bring us to CL. While other teams borrow hundreds of millions to buy overrated players and tie them with huge contracts.
Is it the same project that Lotito promised us 14 years ago? and we ended up selling our stars season in season out? i cant remember our rising stars staying with Lazio for long? what have we achieved in the past 4 years? one time cl football 3 times coppa italia reserve winners.
Keita is seeking out , de vrij will leave next year with that 30 million clause , SMS is waiting until he is fully developed before asking to leave, so which project are you exactly talking about? signing players on bosman or serie b caliber?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Roman_Eagle on July 14, 2017, 08:40:16 AM
i do not know how many mercattos must pass, before the majority will realize we (Lazio) are a stepping stone for the players. nobody comes here (except Miro and he was close to exit before deciding for another season) to stay until the end of their career.

who in their right mind can think we can keep huge talents like fa, keita, sms, dv biglia with the likes of juventus, milan, chelsea, man utd etc  lurking around? yes, it seems like nonsense to us, but are fans, and the players are not.  young players will ALWAYS look to go to a bigger club, with a bigger payslip. thats the fact, accept it. we cant fight the big clubs financially. all that we need to do is get the unhappy players out as soon as possible and make sure that those who stay are ready and willing to show up on the pitch at 100% every game, not thinking about that transfer that went wrong, or where he will be playing next summer.

Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: ArmLaziale on July 14, 2017, 08:49:51 AM
I'm more excited about Biglia being sold than any other player that might join us this summer.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: drazvan on July 14, 2017, 08:51:21 AM
i disagree. we sold 1 player per season in the past years. we kept players like biglia, candreva, lulic, now felipe, keita, de vrij etc long enough and sometimes ignored big financial  gains to keep the team stable. look at whats happening with milinkovic now. if what you say is true ("we are selling our stars"), Lotito would have cash in immediately. 40 mil now is a huge amount. next year or the year after we will be lucky if we get an offer like that. see felipe's evolution. so if we are doing anything is that we are NOT selling our stars. we are cashing in for players that past their top with us (like candreva or biglia).
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Dakiller961 on July 14, 2017, 08:51:58 AM

Hence, transfer price is pretty low because both players already choose the team they wanted to go to.

do you really think 17Mil + for a 32 year old is low ?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: drazvan on July 14, 2017, 08:55:03 AM

Hence, transfer price is pretty low because both players already choose the team they wanted to go to.

do you really think 17Mil + for a 32 year old is low ?

exactly. this is actually the highest fee paid for a 30+ so far in this mercato. is interesting how people fail to see that biglia is not worth even half that at this point. the impact for us is huge: we get 17+ mil for transfers plus we free 2.5 mil per year in contracts which we could split between keita and de vrij.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: flurffmeister on July 14, 2017, 08:56:19 AM
i disagree. we sold 1 player per season in the past years. we kept players like biglia, candreva, lulic, now felipe, keita, de vrij etc long enough and sometimes ignored big financial  gains to keep the team stable. look at whats happening with milinkovic now. if what you say is true ("we are selling our stars"), Lotito would have cash in immediately. 40 mil now is a huge amount. next year or the year after we will be lucky if we get an offer like that. see felipe's evolution. so if we are doing anything is that we are NOT selling our stars. we are cashing in for players that past their top with us (like candreva or biglia).

We lack ambition and our salary cap is just silly hence why players like Candreva Biglia Keita wanted out , not to mention star players in the past, also we just can't build a team around 4 stars and 7 mediocre players.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: blue-white on July 14, 2017, 08:56:52 AM
I understand critics on our management when we talk about contracts. It's no secret that they should work faster in the right moments.

BUT....when people call Milan a project, i don't know if i should laugh or cry...

What is there a project - a club miles behind us, a club which was once the best club of the world for years, ruined by Berlusconi, bought buy some unknown chinese investors. ????

An investor where no one knows who she/he/it is, what she/he/it/they do/does ... throwing now money into the club, and no one knows if she/he/it is throwing money into the club in the coming 2 years too.

When i take a look at this Milan team, then we can say - yes, they brought some players into the team which can help them, but they also bought players where no one knows if they will click in Serie A, like Calhanoglu or Silva.

This is all a bit weird in the end. When i take a look at the table of last season, i can see who has a project and who has not.
Because of that, i'm excited to see what Atalanta can do in the coming season. I really like what they did last season.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: drazvan on July 14, 2017, 09:01:15 AM
i disagree. we sold 1 player per season in the past years. we kept players like biglia, candreva, lulic, now felipe, keita, de vrij etc long enough and sometimes ignored big financial  gains to keep the team stable. look at whats happening with milinkovic now. if what you say is true ("we are selling our stars"), Lotito would have cash in immediately. 40 mil now is a huge amount. next year or the year after we will be lucky if we get an offer like that. see felipe's evolution. so if we are doing anything is that we are NOT selling our stars. we are cashing in for players that past their top with us (like candreva or biglia).

We lack ambition and our salary cap is just silly hence why players like Candreva Biglia Keita wanted out , not to mention star players in the past, also we just can't build a team around 4 stars and 7 mediocre players.

those players dont leave because we lack ambition. they leave because they lack commitment and because they think they can get more money somewhere else. if you are ambitious you dont move from lazio to inter or milan. you move to juve or abroad. this is just about money. they find a golden cow. last years was inter, this year is milan. thats the hypocrisy in it. they all leave because we lack ambition - how many manage to do more at the next club than with us? since Lichtsteiner I cannot recall anyone that did better at his new club than with us. so if anything this proves that we are selling them at the right moment.

our salary cap is silly? we offer some of the biggest salaries in Serie A (except the crazy gang who can borrow money unlimited). no serie a player should get more than 2.5 mil per year. this is not premier league. our advertising and tv rights are so low that is simply insane to give 4-5 mil per year to a player in Italy.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Secret_Samadhi on July 14, 2017, 09:07:40 AM
How is selling Biglia equal to not having a project? Can somebody explain? I mean our project is to grow new talents while maintaining a solid base of players that want to stay and play here and don't ask 3 Mil per year salary. We cannot afford to pay 3 Mil per year to any player. So the biglia renewal was a desperate act from Lotito to please him and against our project of you ask me. Biglia was actually destabilizing the project and as soon as he is sold the better. Any of the mentioned names can replace him and our project will be safe. Problem is that people expect big names to come for big amount and fail to see that we developed players like keita, milinkovic, felipe, de vrij and others to follow (Hoedt, Wallace, murgia,..) which are the Base of what we are doing. Building a young team capable of winning and capable of sustaining itself. We can sell one player per season and basically have enough money for bringing new talent. With some luck this project might even bring us to CL. While other teams borrow hundreds of millions to buy overrated players and tie them with huge contracts.
I am not talking about Biglia I am talking in general. We can't sell more that 4 season tickets, our primavera project with that Dutch guy is a failure, every player with some star glance wants to leave, a player that came from our youth project is considered persona non grata, we can buy only serie B or unknown players from Belgium etc, one of worlds best coaches Bielsa after one week realised that Lotito is talking shit and can' keep promises so he desperatly appointed a young coach who was half way to Serie B to learn. Is that a project for you?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: drazvan on July 14, 2017, 09:12:08 AM
How is selling Biglia equal to not having a project? Can somebody explain? I mean our project is to grow new talents while maintaining a solid base of players that want to stay and play here and don't ask 3 Mil per year salary. We cannot afford to pay 3 Mil per year to any player. So the biglia renewal was a desperate act from Lotito to please him and against our project of you ask me. Biglia was actually destabilizing the project and as soon as he is sold the better. Any of the mentioned names can replace him and our project will be safe. Problem is that people expect big names to come for big amount and fail to see that we developed players like keita, milinkovic, felipe, de vrij and others to follow (Hoedt, Wallace, murgia,..) which are the Base of what we are doing. Building a young team capable of winning and capable of sustaining itself. We can sell one player per season and basically have enough money for bringing new talent. With some luck this project might even bring us to CL. While other teams borrow hundreds of millions to buy overrated players and tie them with huge contracts.
I am not talking about Biglia I am talking in general. We can't sell more that 4 season tickets, our primavera project with that Dutch guy is a failure, every player with some star glance wants to leave, a player that came from our youth project is considered persona non grata, we can buy only serie B or unknown players from Belgium etc, one of worlds best coaches Bielsa after one week realised that Lotito is talking shit and can' keep promises so he desperatly appointed a young coach who was half way to Serie B to learn. Is that a project for you?

Actually our seasons tickets sale sky rocketed this year compared to the last ones (I think we are already at 10k+), I am so happy Bielsa refused us as I like Inzaghi much more and you already see the effect of having a real laziale in charge and we actually promote way more youth products than other serie a clubs (this year murgia, lombardi, crecco). So yes - it looks like a project and to be honest the only thing that disrupts it is people screaming for bringing in stars or paying huge salaries to keep stars that only want money.

"unknown players from Belgium" - like Biglia and Milinkovic you mean? then yes - bring in more of those.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Danes on July 14, 2017, 09:42:59 AM
If Biglia is sold for 17mil + bonuses it will be amazing business by LoTare. Yes he is our captain and yes he is a very good player on his day. However he is also 31 years old and out of contract next season. Besides that he has missed about 10 serie a games in each of the seasons he has been here. I have a feeling Lucas Leiva will be a perfectly decent replacement.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: blue_sky on July 14, 2017, 09:56:47 AM
I am glad Biglia move to Milan. we now can see Derby Milano vs Candreva on behalf of Lazio Captaincy armband :razz: :razz:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: dinhochester on July 14, 2017, 09:59:00 AM
I am glad Biglia move to Milan. we now can see Derby Milano vs Candreva on behalf of Lazio Captaincy armband :razz: :razz:
This might be the reason why Biglia choose Milan.
Candreva is in Inter already.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Giolazio on July 14, 2017, 10:33:03 AM
How is selling Biglia equal to not having a project? Can somebody explain? I mean our project is to grow new talents while maintaining a solid base of players that want to stay and play here and don't ask 3 Mil per year salary. We cannot afford to pay 3 Mil per year to any player. So the biglia renewal was a desperate act from Lotito to please him and against our project of you ask me. Biglia was actually destabilizing the project and as soon as he is sold the better. Any of the mentioned names can replace him and our project will be safe. Problem is that people expect big names to come for big amount and fail to see that we developed players like keita, milinkovic, felipe, de vrij and others to follow (Hoedt, Wallace, murgia,..) which are the Base of what we are doing. Building a young team capable of winning and capable of sustaining itself. We can sell one player per season and basically have enough money for bringing new talent. With some luck this project might even bring us to CL. While other teams borrow hundreds of millions to buy overrated players and tie them with huge contracts.
I am not talking about Biglia I am talking in general. We can't sell more that 4 season tickets, our primavera project with that Dutch guy is a failure, every player with some star glance wants to leave, a player that came from our youth project is considered persona non grata, we can buy only serie B or unknown players from Belgium etc, one of worlds best coaches Bielsa after one week realised that Lotito is talking shit and can' keep promises so he desperatly appointed a young coach who was half way to Serie B to learn. Is that a project for you?

This is why it's very difficult to have a discussion with you. It's as if all you do is read headlines and nothing else.

Can't sell more than 4 season tickets...guess you missed the other 10,000 this summer...Youth project failed...when? 'Dutch guy' is still here but has been moved to a different role and we took the LEADING youth project manager in Italy from A.C. Milan. Guess that's a fail and would never fit the 'project' criteria....

When was the last time we bought a Serie B player?

Unknown players from Belgium such as Milinkovic Savic and your best friggin' pal BIGLIA FFS...

And that 'young coach who was half way to Serie B' was one win away from breaking the all time record for points in a season...but whatever man.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Sile on July 14, 2017, 10:56:05 AM
Ok I can deal with Biglia leaving, so far as we get a good replacement before the end of July.

But what if DeVrij goes away as well? I'm not super impressed with the guy but still he's the best defender we have.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Dakiller961 on July 14, 2017, 10:56:39 AM
How is selling Biglia equal to not having a project? Can somebody explain? I mean our project is to grow new talents while maintaining a solid base of players that want to stay and play here and don't ask 3 Mil per year salary. We cannot afford to pay 3 Mil per year to any player. So the biglia renewal was a desperate act from Lotito to please him and against our project of you ask me. Biglia was actually destabilizing the project and as soon as he is sold the better. Any of the mentioned names can replace him and our project will be safe. Problem is that people expect big names to come for big amount and fail to see that we developed players like keita, milinkovic, felipe, de vrij and others to follow (Hoedt, Wallace, murgia,..) which are the Base of what we are doing. Building a young team capable of winning and capable of sustaining itself. We can sell one player per season and basically have enough money for bringing new talent. With some luck this project might even bring us to CL. While other teams borrow hundreds of millions to buy overrated players and tie them with huge contracts.
I am not talking about Biglia I am talking in general. We can't sell more that 4 season tickets, our primavera project with that Dutch guy is a failure, every player with some star glance wants to leave, a player that came from our youth project is considered persona non grata, we can buy only serie B or unknown players from Belgium etc, one of worlds best coaches Bielsa after one week realised that Lotito is talking shit and can' keep promises so he desperatly appointed a young coach who was half way to Serie B to learn. Is that a project for you?

This is why it's very difficult to have a discussion with you. It's as if all you do is read headlines and nothing else.

Can't sell more than 4 season tickets...guess you missed the other 10,000 this summer...Youth project failed...when? 'Dutch guy' is still here but has been moved to a different role and we took the LEADING youth project manager in Italy from A.C. Milan. Guess that's a fail and would never fit the 'project' criteria....

When was the last time we bought a Serie B player?

Unknown players from Belgium such as Milinkovic Savic and your best friggin' pal BIGLIA FFS...

And that 'young coach who was half way to Serie B' was one win away from breaking the all time record for points in a season...but whatever man.
There is no point in arguing man. these guys just like to complain and only see every single negative news as doomsday.
just like when a stupid headline said we only sold 7 season tickets, people like these took it to the bank and start bashing right and left. it turns out it was 7 season tickets in the 1st hour of sales opened. who would beleive such a stupid storry anyway !!
i feel sorry for these kind of people who are so pessimistic that they believe pure idiocy and stupidity like these kind of headlines and start arguing about it. pathetic
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: drazvan on July 14, 2017, 11:02:01 AM
Glad to see that we agree, Gio!  :beer:

I think that there are a lot of people here for which "a project" means bringing in a famous coach and then 11 superstars and spending huge amounts on salaries. For me, a project is about building a team and giving continuity to a coach. I agree that we did not do that in the past, but for me one of the reasons we did not do it is exactly that Lotito and Tare listen too much to people expecting something big fast. I like the current approach way better: put a laziale in charge, give him time to build a team, use the current youth as much as possible and transfer hot prospects. Sell players that dont want to be part of this and get some cash to motivate the players that want. but I am afraid that we will fail just because the expectations are set too high by some people: we finished 5th last year and now most of you expect us to fight for Champions League. While I would be happy if Inzaghi manages to build a team that constantly qualifies for Europe. A constant top 6 team is way more important for me than a one time hit.

So what i expect from the current transfer market: I expect that we manage to cash in on players that want to leave - Biglia brings 17 mil - great. And that we renew the players that want to stay. And that we bring in some good prospects. Marusic was the best right winger in Belgium, the same league from which we transferred the best midfielders few years ago. So yeah he fits that bill. Sure, we also need some experience and of course Leiva or Di Gennaro will add some - but only if they come cheap. And I also expect that Inzaghi will promote more players from our own backyard or decide to send them on loan if they are not good enough - Oikonomidis for example, but also Crecco and others.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cnon on July 14, 2017, 11:05:37 AM
I get some people are mad about the mercato and some people are defending it. Personally I'm a bit disappointed so far because Auronzo is already going on and we have only bought one new player. Sure, the transfer window just opened but I'm certain Inzaghi would rather have all his players already with him, especially if it's a new player from abroad who can't even speak Italian. And don't say that we don't have money because we do. Even Cathal himself said that we should have about 20 million to spend because of UEL and Coppa Italia final+Supercoppa. Probably even more. Also it buggers me that we still don't know if de Vrij or Keita are going to stay. Imo those things should have been solved before the team left to Auronzo.

But remember one thing, no player is bigger than Lazio. That's why I don't give a fack about any player who leaves as long as Lazio get paid satisfyingly and that is going to happen in Biglias case. Now we just have to use the money wisely and we will be fine.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 14, 2017, 11:14:55 AM
Ok I can deal with Biglia leaving, so far as we get a good replacement before the end of July.

But what if DeVrij goes away as well? I'm not super impressed with the guy but still he's the best defender we have.

If Bonucci leaves and if Juve would want De Vrij (and that's the real big if ...) i say sell him quick.  He's doesn't want to commit so why wait a year, do it now next week when the summer is still young and new players can adjust.  If Juve would would have some pressure to buy a new CB this could be a blessing and let Lotito drive up the price.  Biglia and De Vrij are starters yes, but they could deliver the money for 4 new good players instead.  That's how a club like ours moves forward,  depending who you buy of course.

There are 2 things we can blame Lotito for in the last years and it's not selling quick enough now and then and not renewing faster with others.  Lazio needs to get a little more young and better talent in faster to mix with dependable experience.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: blue-white on July 14, 2017, 11:16:05 AM
Ok I can deal with Biglia leaving, so far as we get a good replacement before the end of July.

But what if DeVrij goes away as well? I'm not super impressed with the guy but still he's the best defender we have.

Agree here. De Vrij is for sure not the CB superstar of the world, but he is our best one.
Because of that, i think that the CB position is the most important position in our mercato. I don't mind if Biglia is leaving or Keita wants to get out (for sure i would like to have Keita here longer), but we need to think more about our defense.
It's a good move of Inzaghi to switch to a 3-5-2, because Radu is automatically a "new" CB in our squad.
Hoedt, Wallace and Bastos are decent backups.
If i would be Inzaghi, i would concentrate especially in the trainings on these guys and would then decide if he needs better ones or not. - if Bastos can't improve, i would sell him and bring a new player.
If De Vrij leaves, we have for sure to act to bring a new CB. As long as he stays, we don't need a new one.
And if De Vrij leaves, we need someone with the same quality or even better!!!

For now it's important to check, if the backups i mentioned are good enough, ... or ... do we have to act there too?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Rizmo on July 14, 2017, 11:25:48 AM
I still don't see any suggestions from the people who critcise Lotito and the project about how we would finance big incoming transfers. Lotito and Lazio don't have the budget to keep all our players, give them lucrative contracts and then reinforce the team with big money transfers. Why do you actually think we could afford it? Milan affords it with money which isn't theirs. Whould you like Lotito to borrow alot of money to reinforce the team? Or please give me any other suggestions on how we should go about doing business this mercato.

If selling a 31y old with one year left on his contract who wants to leave for €17m is going through a rough patch then you have a pretty twisted conception of this Lazio and it's capabilities and limits.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 14, 2017, 11:31:41 AM
I still don't see any suggestions from the people who critcise Lotito and the project about how we would finance big incoming transfers. Lotito and Lazio don't have the budget to keep all our players, give them lucrative contracts and then reinforce the team with big money transfers. Why do you actually think we could afford it? Milan affords it with money which isn't theirs. Whould you like Lotito to borrow alot of money to reinforce the team? Or please give me any other suggestions on how we should go about doing business this mercato.

If selling a 31y old with one year left on his contract who wants to leave for €17m is going through a rough patch then you have a pretty twisted conception of this Lazio and it's capabilities and limits.

You won't see any suggestions Riz because there are none realisticly possible.  :twinkle:
Only thesame frustrations over and over, year after year because we ain't rich.

Lotito waited to long to sell Biglia, luckely it's happening now before being to late completely.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Giolazio on July 14, 2017, 11:34:30 AM
I still don't see any suggestions from the people who critcise Lotito and the project about how we would finance big incoming transfers. Lotito and Lazio don't have the budget to keep all our players, give them lucrative contracts and then reinforce the team with big money transfers. Why do you actually think we could afford it? Milan affords it with money which isn't theirs. Whould you like Lotito to borrow alot of money to reinforce the team? Or please give me any other suggestions on how we should go about doing business this mercato.

If selling a 31y old with one year left on his contract who wants to leave for €17m is going through a rough patch then you have a pretty twisted conception of this Lazio and it's capabilities and limits.

The problem is these are same guys who play Football Manager, tick the 'Sugar Daddy' button, go into the editor and make Messi's favourite team Lazio....
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Alsalman on July 14, 2017, 11:48:31 AM
I still don't see any suggestions from the people who critcise Lotito and the project about how we would finance big incoming transfers. Lotito and Lazio don't have the budget to keep all our players, give them lucrative contracts and then reinforce the team with big money transfers. Why do you actually think we could afford it? Milan affords it with money which isn't theirs. Whould you like Lotito to borrow alot of money to reinforce the team? Or please give me any other suggestions on how we should go about doing business this mercato.

If selling a 31y old with one year left on his contract who wants to leave for €17m is going through a rough patch then you have a pretty twisted conception of this Lazio and it's capabilities and limits.

The problem is these are same guys who play Football Manager, tick the 'Sugar Daddy' button, go into the editor and make Messi's favourite team Lazio....


Not really. The biggest issue with Lotito is not being able to manage the club properly. He cannot renew for his star players (U will say we have no money ... yet I see smaller clubs renew for star players and sell them for big money all the time) he gambles with liquidity ... yes we had a couple of good guys like Lulic or sms but there are about 20 other players we spent on who did nothing but waste money.

You keep saying we are in bad condition ... we are not ... we are a middle income club that spends horribly and is badly managed

Had it been good management we would have more money to spend and in good players unlike this scrub they just spent 8 million on.

We all have different opinions but just saying that one side is delusional and you are correct is not the proper approach
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Stefano6 on July 14, 2017, 11:57:29 AM
Exactly.. the comments here are hilarious/frustrating, but its so predictable, it happens every single time we sell a player.

Somehow X player wanting to leave is always Lotitos fault, and unless the replacement is a superstar that we could never in a million years afford, then its always "no project" this and "Lotito vattene" that, bla bla bla

I dont want to question anyones support of the team, people demonstrate it in different ways, but people honestly do need to get a grip of reality and lower expectations sometimes. Sometimes you do feel like saying "go and support Real Madrid or PSG if this is what you expect".

It is amusing in this particular case. Not long ago I remember Biglia being a forum scapegoat for his mixed performances, poor captaincy and his safe sideways play. Then he had a decent spell and suddenly hes amazing. Now were getting (if true) around 20m for him, and suddenly thats the worst piece of business in history and we are a joke? Dont follow myself.

If we sell Biglia for 20m, buy Lucas Leiva and Di Gennaro for free, I for one am perfectly fine with that.
Leiva is a good player who I think will fit the Italian game well.

With Bonucci going to Milan id be slightly concerned about Juve coming for De Vrij. Id prefer that he stay, but more importantly, I question whether we would be able to adequately replace him before the season starts.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: chandraicang on July 14, 2017, 11:57:44 AM
Addio, Lucas  :fingerup:  :beer:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Rizmo on July 14, 2017, 11:58:53 AM
Not really. The biggest issue with Lotito is not being able to manage the club properly. He cannot renew for his star players (U will say we have no money ... yet I see smaller clubs renew for star players and sell them for big money all the time) he gambles with liquidity ... yes we had a couple of good guys like Lulic or sms but there are about 20 other players we spent on who did nothing but waste money.

You keep saying we are in bad condition ... we are not ... we are a middle income club that spends horribly and is badly managed

Had it been good management we would have more money to spend and in good players unlike this scrub they just spent 8 million on.

We all have different opinions but just saying that one side is delusional and you are correct is not the proper approach

No one is claiming Lotito and Tare to be perfect. Far from. But we still have a mountain of debt to pay off which Lotito inherited. We are not 1927 and can get away from paying our debt, we are actually forced to pay it off or otherwise there will be no more S.S Lazio 1900. As long as we have this debt, our resources are limited. We might be slow to renew our star players, but not incapable. Sergej recently renewed. It takes two to sign an extension. It doesn't seem like Keita, DV and Biglia are overly eager to sign an extention. The frustrating part and which is delusional, is that people expect us to do what Milan does, or what 1927 does. Firstly I don't understand why anyone would want for Lazio what is happening at Milan. Second, we are not Milan and we would not get away with it in a million years. People say that Milan can spend like this cause they are Milan and wouldn't be allowed to go bankrupt. Well, you think Italy give a flying fcuk about Lazio if we spend billions and will save us from bankrupcy? We are not Milan and thank god for that.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Secret_Samadhi on July 14, 2017, 12:17:55 PM
I still don't see any suggestions from the people who critcise Lotito and the project about how we would finance big incoming transfers. Lotito and Lazio don't have the budget to keep all our players, give them lucrative contracts and then reinforce the team with big money transfers. Why do you actually think we could afford it? Milan affords it with money which isn't theirs. Whould you like Lotito to borrow alot of money to reinforce the team? Or please give me any other suggestions on how we should go about doing business this mercato.

If selling a 31y old with one year left on his contract who wants to leave for €17m is going through a rough patch then you have a pretty twisted conception of this Lazio and it's capabilities and limits.

The problem is these are same guys who play Football Manager, tick the 'Sugar Daddy' button, go into the editor and make Messi's favourite team Lazio....
Ok, you know the best, your oppinion is the correct one, you know the inside information Milan will vanish in two years and all other who dare to critisize are bunch of FM suckers who wants all those Messsies, Ronaldos and Neymars in the team. Jesus Christ.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Giolazio on July 14, 2017, 12:30:45 PM
I still don't see any suggestions from the people who critcise Lotito and the project about how we would finance big incoming transfers. Lotito and Lazio don't have the budget to keep all our players, give them lucrative contracts and then reinforce the team with big money transfers. Why do you actually think we could afford it? Milan affords it with money which isn't theirs. Whould you like Lotito to borrow alot of money to reinforce the team? Or please give me any other suggestions on how we should go about doing business this mercato.

If selling a 31y old with one year left on his contract who wants to leave for €17m is going through a rough patch then you have a pretty twisted conception of this Lazio and it's capabilities and limits.

The problem is these are same guys who play Football Manager, tick the 'Sugar Daddy' button, go into the editor and make Messi's favourite team Lazio....
Ok, you know the best, your oppinion is the correct one, you know the inside information Milan will vanish in two years and all other who dare to critisize are bunch of FM suckers who wants all those Messsies, Ronaldos and Neymars in the team. Jesus Christ.

Once again you don't refer to the reply I gave to you therefore proving my point that you aren't interested in a discussion.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Secret_Samadhi on July 14, 2017, 12:38:38 PM
How is selling Biglia equal to not having a project? Can somebody explain? I mean our project is to grow new talents while maintaining a solid base of players that want to stay and play here and don't ask 3 Mil per year salary. We cannot afford to pay 3 Mil per year to any player. So the biglia renewal was a desperate act from Lotito to please him and against our project of you ask me. Biglia was actually destabilizing the project and as soon as he is sold the better. Any of the mentioned names can replace him and our project will be safe. Problem is that people expect big names to come for big amount and fail to see that we developed players like keita, milinkovic, felipe, de vrij and others to follow (Hoedt, Wallace, murgia,..) which are the Base of what we are doing. Building a young team capable of winning and capable of sustaining itself. We can sell one player per season and basically have enough money for bringing new talent. With some luck this project might even bring us to CL. While other teams borrow hundreds of millions to buy overrated players and tie them with huge contracts.
I am not talking about Biglia I am talking in general. We can't sell more that 4 season tickets, our primavera project with that Dutch guy is a failure, every player with some star glance wants to leave, a player that came from our youth project is considered persona non grata, we can buy only serie B or unknown players from Belgium etc, one of worlds best coaches Bielsa after one week realised that Lotito is talking shit and can' keep promises so he desperatly appointed a young coach who was half way to Serie B to learn. Is that a project for you?

Actually our seasons tickets sale sky rocketed this year compared to the last ones (I think we are already at 10k+), I am so happy Bielsa refused us as I like Inzaghi much more and you already see the effect of having a real laziale in charge and we actually promote way more youth products than other serie a clubs (this year murgia, lombardi, crecco). So yes - it looks like a project and to be honest the only thing that disrupts it is people screaming for bringing in stars or paying huge salaries to keep stars that only want money.

"unknown players from Belgium" - like Biglia and Milinkovic you mean? then yes - bring in more of those.
I dont think anybody here wants star players with huge wages but I personaly dont want Biglia to be replaced by another Leitner, Keita with another Kishna or De Vrij with another Mauricio. And when it takes one month to cime to a agreement with Milan for Biglia and when you keep up the late to sign new contracts, you are pretty much forced to buy such nobodies.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 14, 2017, 12:43:37 PM
Lol biglia thanking lazio fans and refusing to state his reasons why he is leaving

Now he's no longer a lazio player I guess I can speak more openly about him. Biglia is a pussy, a disgrace to the armband he wore and an insult to the great captains we had in the past.



Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Sile on July 14, 2017, 12:49:53 PM
He's got 3.5 million reasons a year for the next 4 years.

Nearing the end of his career, he wanted to cash in and/or a chance of playing in CL, which, to be honest, is likelier to happen in Milan than Lazio.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 14, 2017, 12:52:52 PM
How is selling Biglia equal to not having a project? Can somebody explain? I mean our project is to grow new talents while maintaining a solid base of players that want to stay and play here and don't ask 3 Mil per year salary. We cannot afford to pay 3 Mil per year to any player. So the biglia renewal was a desperate act from Lotito to please him and against our project of you ask me. Biglia was actually destabilizing the project and as soon as he is sold the better. Any of the mentioned names can replace him and our project will be safe. Problem is that people expect big names to come for big amount and fail to see that we developed players like keita, milinkovic, felipe, de vrij and others to follow (Hoedt, Wallace, murgia,..) which are the Base of what we are doing. Building a young team capable of winning and capable of sustaining itself. We can sell one player per season and basically have enough money for bringing new talent. With some luck this project might even bring us to CL. While other teams borrow hundreds of millions to buy overrated players and tie them with huge contracts.
I am not talking about Biglia I am talking in general. We can't sell more that 4 season tickets, our primavera project with that Dutch guy is a failure, every player with some star glance wants to leave, a player that came from our youth project is considered persona non grata, we can buy only serie B or unknown players from Belgium etc, one of worlds best coaches Bielsa after one week realised that Lotito is talking shit and can' keep promises so he desperatly appointed a young coach who was half way to Serie B to learn. Is that a project for you?

Actually our seasons tickets sale sky rocketed this year compared to the last ones (I think we are already at 10k+), I am so happy Bielsa refused us as I like Inzaghi much more and you already see the effect of having a real laziale in charge and we actually promote way more youth products than other serie a clubs (this year murgia, lombardi, crecco). So yes - it looks like a project and to be honest the only thing that disrupts it is people screaming for bringing in stars or paying huge salaries to keep stars that only want money.

"unknown players from Belgium" - like Biglia and Milinkovic you mean? then yes - bring in more of those.
I dont think anybody here wants star players with huge wages but I personaly dont want Biglia to be replaced by another Leitner, Keita with another Kishna or De Vrij with another Mauricio. And when it takes one month to cime to a agreement with Milan for Biglia and when you keep up the late to sign new contracts, you are pretty much forced to buy such nobodies.

I won't bud in further, just want to say you probably shouldn't expect a new Kishna, Leitner or Mauricio.
We aren't free of that in the future but i doubt it would happen to replace starters.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 14, 2017, 12:53:00 PM
I don't have a problem with him leaving, that's not it. It's the constant refusal to speak about the future, to give assurances to the fans and the way his body language always signalled carelessness when speaking about the club.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Secret_Samadhi on July 14, 2017, 12:53:15 PM
How is selling Biglia equal to not having a project? Can somebody explain? I mean our project is to grow new talents while maintaining a solid base of players that want to stay and play here and don't ask 3 Mil per year salary. We cannot afford to pay 3 Mil per year to any player. So the biglia renewal was a desperate act from Lotito to please him and against our project of you ask me. Biglia was actually destabilizing the project and as soon as he is sold the better. Any of the mentioned names can replace him and our project will be safe. Problem is that people expect big names to come for big amount and fail to see that we developed players like keita, milinkovic, felipe, de vrij and others to follow (Hoedt, Wallace, murgia,..) which are the Base of what we are doing. Building a young team capable of winning and capable of sustaining itself. We can sell one player per season and basically have enough money for bringing new talent. With some luck this project might even bring us to CL. While other teams borrow hundreds of millions to buy overrated players and tie them with huge contracts.
I am not talking about Biglia I am talking in general. We can't sell more that 4 season tickets, our primavera project with that Dutch guy is a failure, every player with some star glance wants to leave, a player that came from our youth project is considered persona non grata, we can buy only serie B or unknown players from Belgium etc, one of worlds best coaches Bielsa after one week realised that Lotito is talking shit and can' keep promises so he desperatly appointed a young coach who was half way to Serie B to learn. Is that a project for you?

This is why it's very difficult to have a discussion with you. It's as if all you do is read headlines and nothing else.

Can't sell more than 4 season tickets...guess you missed the other 10,000 this summer...Youth project failed...when? 'Dutch guy' is still here but has been moved to a different role and we took the LEADING youth project manager in Italy from A.C. Milan. Guess that's a fail and would never fit the 'project' criteria....

When was the last time we bought a Serie B player?

Unknown players from Belgium such as Milinkovic Savic and your best friggin' pal BIGLIA FFS...

And that 'young coach who was half way to Serie B' was one win away from breaking the all time record for points in a season...but whatever man.
About the youth team...I guess the Dutch guy was so succesfull they removed him to different role. And the points last season dosen't chsnge the fact thst Inzaghi was on his way to Serie B and Lotitos plan was to start a 'project' with Bielsa.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Secret_Samadhi on July 14, 2017, 12:56:49 PM
How is selling Biglia equal to not having a project? Can somebody explain? I mean our project is to grow new talents while maintaining a solid base of players that want to stay and play here and don't ask 3 Mil per year salary. We cannot afford to pay 3 Mil per year to any player. So the biglia renewal was a desperate act from Lotito to please him and against our project of you ask me. Biglia was actually destabilizing the project and as soon as he is sold the better. Any of the mentioned names can replace him and our project will be safe. Problem is that people expect big names to come for big amount and fail to see that we developed players like keita, milinkovic, felipe, de vrij and others to follow (Hoedt, Wallace, murgia,..) which are the Base of what we are doing. Building a young team capable of winning and capable of sustaining itself. We can sell one player per season and basically have enough money for bringing new talent. With some luck this project might even bring us to CL. While other teams borrow hundreds of millions to buy overrated players and tie them with huge contracts.
I am not talking about Biglia I am talking in general. We can't sell more that 4 season tickets, our primavera project with that Dutch guy is a failure, every player with some star glance wants to leave, a player that came from our youth project is considered persona non grata, we can buy only serie B or unknown players from Belgium etc, one of worlds best coaches Bielsa after one week realised that Lotito is talking shit and can' keep promises so he desperatly appointed a young coach who was half way to Serie B to learn. Is that a project for you?

Actually our seasons tickets sale sky rocketed this year compared to the last ones (I think we are already at 10k+), I am so happy Bielsa refused us as I like Inzaghi much more and you already see the effect of having a real laziale in charge and we actually promote way more youth products than other serie a clubs (this year murgia, lombardi, crecco). So yes - it looks like a project and to be honest the only thing that disrupts it is people screaming for bringing in stars or paying huge salaries to keep stars that only want money.

"unknown players from Belgium" - like Biglia and Milinkovic you mean? then yes - bring in more of those.
I dont think anybody here wants star players with huge wages but I personaly dont want Biglia to be replaced by another Leitner, Keita with another Kishna or De Vrij with another Mauricio. And when it takes one month to cime to a agreement with Milan for Biglia and when you keep up the late to sign new contracts, you are pretty much forced to buy such nobodies.

I won't bud in further, just want to say you probably shouldn't expect a new Kishna, Leitner or Mauricio.
We aren't free of that in the future but i doubt it would happen to replace starters.
I hope you are right. Signing such failures are like throwing money in the lake.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: torsten on July 14, 2017, 01:33:38 PM
No one can blame Biglia for wanting CL and a pay raise. BUT no one can say that he has handle it in a good way, he should have made his mind years ago, and refused the armband at that point. If i were Candreva i'd punch Biglia in the face...

My "dreamscenario" now would be, getting Walace or Claise. Both of them would work out well i think. Then Juve splash 35M+ for de Vrij and we're going all in for Romagnoli! 20M would do the job? Or are Montella interested in a 3-5-2/3-4-3?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: blue-white on July 14, 2017, 01:42:04 PM
Milan will play now with a 3 men defense, i guess. 3-4-3 seems good for them.

Musacchio - Bonucci - Romagnoli

Conti - Kessie - Bigila - Rodriguez

i don't think that Conti would be good in a 4 men defense.
We will see what they will do, but i don't think that they will sell Romagnoli.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: drazvan on July 14, 2017, 01:45:20 PM
20 mil for Romagnoli would be just insane. I really dont think that we will sign anybody for more than 10 mil euro. And especially not somebody from Serie A.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Akha on July 14, 2017, 01:45:43 PM
People say game of thrones, house of cards or the walking dead - but it is Lazioland transfers and rumours that provides the best entertainment  :beer:

I'm glad to see Biglia go, though it's a pity it didn't happen a year or two ago. Still, I wish him many happy finals and other achievements!
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: torsten on July 14, 2017, 01:51:58 PM
20 mil for Romagnoli would be just insane. I really dont think that we will sign anybody for more than 10 mil euro. And especially not somebody from Serie A.

I would actually go for Romagnoli for around that amount. I mean, he is good now, and will only get better. Italian, Laziofan, so he probably won't having dreams about going to another team. He could be that kind of player that i think Immobile may become for us, good enough to be totally satisfied being here.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 14, 2017, 01:54:06 PM
Milan will play now with a 3 men defense, i guess. 3-4-3 seems good for them.

Musacchio - Bonucci - Romagnoli

Conti - Kessie - Bigila - Rodriguez

i don't think that Conti would be good in a 4 men defense.
We will see what they will do, but i don't think that they will sell Romagnoli.

That would shut me up a little, after saying their new fullbacks are lesser defensivly.  It would accomodate Hakan as wel in a 3421 or 3412. It's still playing FM, of course Bonucci changes things when leading the backline.

I hope they stay 433, better for us to face them with their new starters.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: blue_sky on July 14, 2017, 01:55:56 PM
Now it's time Tare to work very hard.
To convince fans, us, and to fulfill Lotito salary caps and dismissed a so called feeder called
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cnon on July 14, 2017, 02:02:21 PM
20 mil for Romagnoli would be just insane. I really dont think that we will sign anybody for more than 10 mil euro. And especially not somebody from Serie A.

I would actually go for Romagnoli for around that amount. I mean, he is good now, and will only get better. Italian, Laziofan, so he probably won't having dreams about going to another team. He could be that kind of player that i think Immobile may become for us, good enough to be totally satisfied being here.

The problem is that this is pure fantasy, Milan would never sell him for 20 million. 35 million and they might start to listen. So yeah, pure fantasy which will never happen.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: randy_laziale on July 14, 2017, 02:04:25 PM
No one can blame Biglia for wanting CL and a pay raise. BUT no one can say that he has handle it in a good way, he should have made his mind years ago, and refused the armband at that point. If i were Candreva i'd punch Biglia in the face...

yeah i agree.. Candreva should be our captain 2 years ago.. he deserved it!

I would actually go for Romagnoli for around that amount. I mean, he is good now, and will only get better. Italian, Laziofan, so he probably won't having dreams about going to another team. He could be that kind of player that i think Immobile may become for us, good enough to be totally satisfied being here.

seriously? romagnoli is Lazio fans?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: blue-white on July 14, 2017, 02:05:16 PM
Milan will play now with a 3 men defense, i guess. 3-4-3 seems good for them.

Musacchio - Bonucci - Romagnoli

Conti - Kessie - Bigila - Rodriguez

i don't think that Conti would be good in a 4 men defense.
We will see what they will do, but i don't think that they will sell Romagnoli.

That would shut me up a little, after saying their new fullbacks are lesser defensivly.  It would accomodate Hakan as wel in a 3421 or 3412. It's still playing FM, of course Bonucci changes things when leading the backline.

I hope they stay 433, better for us to face them with their new starters.

here the whole first 11 for now - i thik they will play:

Donnarumma

Musacchio - Bonucci - Romagnoli

Conti - Kessie - Bigila - Rodriguez

Suso - Silva - Calhanoglu

whole attack exclusive Suso don't know Serie A - it will be interesting to see how much time they need to click.
It will be also interesting if they will buy another 1-2 players. And who will buy Bacca?

No need to fear that team in the moment. For sure better than last season, but an attack of Atalanta with
Gomez - Petagna - Orsolini (just signed)

is able to explode! As i said - they have a project, and i'm excited to see if they can repeat such a season, and perform in EL too.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: torsten on July 14, 2017, 02:06:54 PM
20 mil for Romagnoli would be just insane. I really dont think that we will sign anybody for more than 10 mil euro. And especially not somebody from Serie A.

I would actually go for Romagnoli for around that amount. I mean, he is good now, and will only get better. Italian, Laziofan, so he probably won't having dreams about going to another team. He could be that kind of player that i think Immobile may become for us, good enough to be totally satisfied being here.

The problem is that this is pure fantasy, Milan would never sell him for 20 million. 35 million and they might start to listen. So yeah, pure fantasy which will never happen.

But is it really pure fantasy? They must sell someone? Sure it looks perfect with that 3-backs, but maybe Montella has other plans, i just want us to try. And 35M? Thats pure fantasy..
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: torsten on July 14, 2017, 02:08:08 PM
No one can blame Biglia for wanting CL and a pay raise. BUT no one can say that he has handle it in a good way, he should have made his mind years ago, and refused the armband at that point. If i were Candreva i'd punch Biglia in the face...

yeah i agree.. Candreva should be our captain 2 years ago.. he deserved it!

I would actually go for Romagnoli for around that amount. I mean, he is good now, and will only get better. Italian, Laziofan, so he probably won't having dreams about going to another team. He could be that kind of player that i think Immobile may become for us, good enough to be totally satisfied being here.

seriously? romagnoli is Lazio fans?

Yes!  :laziostend:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 14, 2017, 02:16:31 PM
Milan will play now with a 3 men defense, i guess. 3-4-3 seems good for them.

Musacchio - Bonucci - Romagnoli

Conti - Kessie - Bigila - Rodriguez

i don't think that Conti would be good in a 4 men defense.
We will see what they will do, but i don't think that they will sell Romagnoli.

That would shut me up a little, after saying their new fullbacks are lesser defensivly.  It would accomodate Hakan as wel in a 3421 or 3412. It's still playing FM, of course Bonucci changes things when leading the backline.

I hope they stay 433, better for us to face them with their new starters.

here the whole first 11 for now - i thik they will play:

Donnarumma

Musacchio - Bonucci - Romagnoli

Conti - Kessie - Bigila - Rodriguez

Suso - Silva - Calhanoglu

whole attack exclusive Suso don't know Serie A - it will be interesting to see how much time they need to click.
It will be also interesting if they will buy another 1-2 players. And who will buy Bacca?

No need to fear that team in the moment. For sure better than last season, but an attack of Atalanta with
Gomez - Petagna - Orsolini (just signed)

is able to explode! As i said - they have a project, and i'm excited to see if they can repeat such a season, and perform in EL too.

Yep, i agree.  Watch both us and Atalanta beat Milan in the first round.  :twinkle:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: dinhochester on July 14, 2017, 02:20:42 PM
is 17 million we got from milan directly translate to we can spend that 17 million on new players?
i dont think so.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cnon on July 14, 2017, 02:26:06 PM
But is it really pure fantasy? They must sell someone? Sure it looks perfect with that 3-backs, but maybe Montella has other plans, i just want us to try. And 35M? Thats pure fantasy..

No, they don't have to sell anyone if they don't want to. Sure, they might want to sell players like Bacca or so called deadwood like Bertolacci. But I highly doubt they would sell Romagnoli who is one of their key players and a player they paid close to 30 million not too long ago. Also, he is young Italian CB, surely his price has gone up and not down. So yes, 20 million is pure fantasy and 35 million is pretty much the starting point where Milan start to listening offers. There is no way we can get him now, none.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: dinhochester on July 14, 2017, 02:33:12 PM
In 352, Hoedt fit as central defender. Not right center or left center.
Hence he compete directly with Devrij and Wallace for that position.
Bastos and Radu can be the side center back.
Almost forget Mauricio can play all positions.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Alsalman on July 14, 2017, 02:34:32 PM


No one is claiming Lotito and Tare to be perfect. Far from. But we still have a mountain of debt to pay off which Lotito inherited. We are not 1927 and can get away from paying our debt, we are actually forced to pay it off or otherwise there will be no more S.S Lazio 1900. As long as we have this debt, our resources are limited. We might be slow to renew our star players, but not incapable. Sergej recently renewed. It takes two to sign an extension. It doesn't seem like Keita, DV and Biglia are overly eager to sign an extention. The frustrating part and which is delusional, is that people expect us to do what Milan does, or what 1927 does. Firstly I don't understand why anyone would want for Lazio what is happening at Milan. Second, we are not Milan and we would not get away with it in a million years. People say that Milan can spend like this cause they are Milan and wouldn't be allowed to go bankrupt. Well, you think Italy give a flying fcuk about Lazio if we spend billions and will save us from bankrupcy? We are not Milan and thank god for that.

Brother no one is saying we have the ability of Milan or Juve or Inter or even Roma or napoli. We are aware we have debts as well. But in terms of financials we are one of the better off teams (not in terms of revenues rather in terms of financial stability).

What upsets us is the serial inability to move forward or have a plan to move forward. What's our end game as a club? To remain top 10 in Italy?

We surely have the ability to push forward. We sold biglia for a good amount for a 32 year old good player.

Not we must replace him with someone who can reach that level and higher not with a scrub... which seems to be what we are looking at.

We should renew earlier with release clauses like other teams and not wait to the last minute and give small increases and get desperate.

It's not too much to ask for
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 14, 2017, 02:57:06 PM
http://www.football-italia.net/105751/lazio-sign-lucas-leiva (http://www.football-italia.net/105751/lazio-sign-lucas-leiva)

Ok if he's to join us on a deal worth like nothing (outside of wages) then I am a bit more positive about this deal, but I hope we didn't give him like a 4 year deal.

But I still don't think he's a player who will come here and make the team stronger..


Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Sile on July 14, 2017, 03:11:11 PM
Woohooo free players!! Wooo!
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Danes on July 14, 2017, 03:17:36 PM
I really dont see us being worse off with Leiva instead of Biglia
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Stefano6 on July 14, 2017, 03:21:24 PM
Leiva is a good player, experienced in top flight and Europe, dependable, and a year younger than Biglia.

Ive a good friend who is a Liverpool fan who has nothing but good things to say about him.
I read that weve offered £5m and its likely to be accepted.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Alsalman on July 14, 2017, 03:23:48 PM
I really dont see us being worse off with Leiva instead of Biglia

Really? Your best midfielder and Argentine international substituted with a Liverpool scrub... Who has not gotten any minutes with a very week midfield ahead of him...
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: valdanito on July 14, 2017, 03:24:12 PM
Its a step backwards if you compare one Lucas to the other.  I just hope the rest of the money is invested smartly.

Market just started, but we already look weaker on paper.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: stefano_40 on July 14, 2017, 03:25:27 PM
Leiva is a good player, experienced in top flight and Europe, dependable, and a year younger than Biglia.

Ive a good friend who is a Liverpool fan who has nothing but good things to say about him.
I read that weve offered £5m and its likely to be accepted.

What happened to him being a free transfer?

Also, any official confirmation on Biglia yet? Can't find anything on it. Fingers crossed though. And toes.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Stefano6 on July 14, 2017, 03:27:52 PM
I really dont see us being worse off with Leiva instead of Biglia

Really? Your best midfielder and Argentine international substituted with a Liverpool scrub... Who has not gotten any minutes with a very week midfield ahead of him...

Leiva had 32 appearances for Liverpool last season. Compared to Biglias 34 for us.


Leiva is a good player, experienced in top flight and Europe, dependable, and a year younger than Biglia.

Ive a good friend who is a Liverpool fan who has nothing but good things to say about him.
I read that weve offered £5m and its likely to be accepted.

What happened to him being a free transfer?

Also, any official confirmation on Biglia yet? Can't find anything on it. Fingers crossed though. And toes.

He still has a year on his contract, so its unlikely (but not imposible) that Liverpool let him go for free. 5m was the figure I read earlier.
But in a world where Bonucci costs 50m and an 18 year old gets 6m a season, 5m is a pretty nominal fee!
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Sile on July 14, 2017, 03:28:37 PM
Leiva is a good player, experienced in top flight and Europe, dependable, and a year younger than Biglia.

Ive a good friend who is a Liverpool fan who has nothing but good things to say about him.
I read that weve offered £5m and its likely to be accepted.

Played 12 full matches in the EPL whole last year, plus minutes against nobodies in the cup.
Not really in his peak now is he
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Stefano6 on July 14, 2017, 03:31:23 PM
Leiva is a good player, experienced in top flight and Europe, dependable, and a year younger than Biglia.

Ive a good friend who is a Liverpool fan who has nothing but good things to say about him.
I read that weve offered £5m and its likely to be accepted.

Played 12 full matches in the EPL whole last year, plus minutes against nobodies in the cup.
Not really in his peak now is he

You would find reason to complain if we bought Messi.

Look at the facts. Hes an experienced midfielder in a position we need (now), and he isnt costing a lot of money. He is also not going to be the only signing we make im positive of that.
So hes not a 22 year old household name. So ****ing what.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: dimascio on July 14, 2017, 03:32:08 PM
Wasn't difficult to work out by process of elimination  :supsmile:

I just find it interesting the player we seemed to line up to replace Biglia is probably better now and within our price range if we sell Biglia, and no journalist has mentioned his name.

Are you referring to Adrien Silva?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Sile on July 14, 2017, 03:33:54 PM
Leiva is a good player, experienced in top flight and Europe, dependable, and a year younger than Biglia.

Ive a good friend who is a Liverpool fan who has nothing but good things to say about him.
I read that weve offered £5m and its likely to be accepted.

Played 12 full matches in the EPL whole last year, plus minutes against nobodies in the cup.
Not really in his peak now is he

You would find reason to complain if we bought Messi.

Look at the facts. Hes an experienced midfielder in a position we need (now), and he isnt costing a lot of money. He is also not going to be the only signing we make im positive of that.
So hes not a 22 year old household name. So have funing what.

No he won't, we'll also get Di Gennaro for free.

There's a whole universe of players between a has-been from Liverpool and the best player in the world, if you can grasp the concept
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 14, 2017, 03:34:13 PM
Wasn't difficult to work out by process of elimination  :supsmile:

I just find it interesting the player we seemed to line up to replace Biglia is probably better now and within our price range if we sell Biglia, and no journalist has mentioned his name.

Are you referring to Adrien Silva?

He's refusing to tell us who he is talking about :(
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Stefano6 on July 14, 2017, 03:36:21 PM
Leiva is a good player, experienced in top flight and Europe, dependable, and a year younger than Biglia.

Ive a good friend who is a Liverpool fan who has nothing but good things to say about him.
I read that weve offered £5m and its likely to be accepted.

Played 12 full matches in the EPL whole last year, plus minutes against nobodies in the cup.
Not really in his peak now is he

You would find reason to complain if we bought Messi.

Look at the facts. Hes an experienced midfielder in a position we need (now), and he isnt costing a lot of money. He is also not going to be the only signing we make im positive of that.
So hes not a 22 year old household name. So have funing what.

No he won't, we'll also get Di Gennaro for free.

There's a whole universe of players between a has-been from Liverpool and the best player in the world, if you can grasp the concept

Theres also a smaller section of that universe who are players we can afford to purchase/afford wages/willing to sign outside of Fifa or Football Manager.

If you can grasp that concept.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Sile on July 14, 2017, 03:38:45 PM
Leiva is a good player, experienced in top flight and Europe, dependable, and a year younger than Biglia.

Ive a good friend who is a Liverpool fan who has nothing but good things to say about him.
I read that weve offered £5m and its likely to be accepted.

Played 12 full matches in the EPL whole last year, plus minutes against nobodies in the cup.
Not really in his peak now is he

You would find reason to complain if we bought Messi.

Look at the facts. Hes an experienced midfielder in a position we need (now), and he isnt costing a lot of money. He is also not going to be the only signing we make im positive of that.
So hes not a 22 year old household name. So have funing what.

No he won't, we'll also get Di Gennaro for free.

There's a whole universe of players between a has-been from Liverpool and the best player in the world, if you can grasp the concept

Theres also a smaller section of that universe who are players we can afford to purchase/afford wages/willing to sign outside of Fifa or Football Manager.

If you can grasp that concept.

That smaller section includes more than just free players. Especially now we sold Biglia for 17 mill.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 14, 2017, 03:49:43 PM
Not sure if mentioned here or not, but seems we're after Boca Juniors youngster Thiago Ceijas
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 14, 2017, 04:42:45 PM
Wasn't difficult to work out by process of elimination  :supsmile:

I just find it interesting the player we seemed to line up to replace Biglia is probably better now and within our price range if we sell Biglia, and no journalist has mentioned his name.

Are you referring to Adrien Silva?

He ment Jonathan Geis, it was mentioned just below that post.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: drazvan on July 14, 2017, 05:29:11 PM
I think inzaghi s intention is clear. He wants a DM like Leiva  to cover our back and he will use Luis Alberto in his favorite role in the midfield. Add milinkovic to the mix, with Lulic and felipe on sides and we have a pretty strong midfield even without biglia. That's how I read the Leiva interest. Since Leiva is not really a Biglia. Otherwise I guess we would go after Badelj.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Silindeee on July 14, 2017, 05:37:43 PM
I think Leiva will be a decent signing for us. With lulic savic and leiva we will have a pretty strong mid and agressive one.
Leiva will be doing the hard job infront of our defence. He wont be destributing the ball like Biglia did. Lets hope he comes to revive his career and not end his career relaxing.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 14, 2017, 05:50:21 PM
So how are we going to create chances with this midfield? seems we won't have a playmaker and then we're back to the old..give the ball to the winger and pray tactic..
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Giolazio on July 14, 2017, 06:01:14 PM
So how are we going to create chances with this midfield? seems we won't have a playmaker and then we're back to the old..give the ball to the winger and pray tactic..

Wait until the end of the mercato my friend... :twinkle:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Lazio Forever on July 14, 2017, 06:14:32 PM
Leiva seems to be a done deal, interesting Inter was trying to get him in January.
Have good feeling about him, hopefully he will be more dependable than Biglia.

Coming from premier league to Serie A is a good sign that a player is trying to revive his carrier.

Lets see where else we will allocate the rest of Biglia's money, I prefer keeping the core of last season's team and adding few players at the weakest posititons, rather than re-constructing the whope team like Milan, lets see how that works for them, have a feeling it might turn out like another Inter story.  :supsmile:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 14, 2017, 06:32:07 PM
So how are we going to create chances with this midfield? seems we won't have a playmaker and then we're back to the old..give the ball to the winger and pray tactic..

Leiva is like 40% CB so he's definitly about recovering and positioning.  He won't sit in lower midfield and only give short passes to the sides.  I expect him to seek out a creative player or give the ball deep himself.  I think his type of player suits us better altough it's not my first choice.  I'd prefer a new Parolo type to join him and clean up midfield with 2 players.  While letting either Albert or Sergej start the attack.

But it's still possible to do this with Leiva, like with Biglia in the first coppa derby 3421.  But Leiva won't be much of a treath up front like Parolo when he moves up, i prefer this and especially with 3 defenders who hang back.

I think inzaghi s intention is clear. He wants a DM like Leiva  to cover our back and he will use Luis Alberto in his favorite role in the midfield. Add milinkovic to the mix, with Lulic and felipe on sides and we have a pretty strong midfield even without biglia. That's how I read the Leiva interest. Since Leiva is not really a Biglia. Otherwise I guess we would go after Badelj.

Most likely this way when using 433.  Or 3142 like in the last games of the season, Crotone and Viola with Murgia in that role.  But at Auronzo we've been seeing a 352 with the point forward, Alberto behind the strikers.  This formation get's more players up front, a big reason to play the 352 and having 3 cb's.

So how are we going to create chances with this midfield? seems we won't have a playmaker and then we're back to the old..give the ball to the winger and pray tactic..

Wait until the end of the mercato my friend... :twinkle:

Why?  There's Alberto or Sergej as CAM's when in 352.  In 433 Felipe and Lulic with both 9 assists from those positions, Alberto, Keita.  If 433 would be the opted formation i'd say yes, another real winger could be usefull indeed.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Rizmo on July 14, 2017, 07:29:09 PM
So how are we going to create chances with this midfield? seems we won't have a playmaker and then we're back to the old..give the ball to the winger and pray tactic..

Wait a second... How many chances did Biglia create? Very very few. He was actually an essential part of the midfield which gave the ball to the wingers and pray tactic. I think it'll actually be healthy to move away from the regista controlled midfield. It's less and less common to have a typical regista. Play and chances can be made elsewhere. We scored shitloads of goals last season, Biglia had 3 assists. 2 which were from set pieces so I think we'll be just fine with creating chances and score goals without him.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Rizmo on July 14, 2017, 07:45:01 PM
Lucas Leiva is not selected for tonights friendly against Wigan, fuelling speculation of an imminent transfer to Lazio.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Emko on July 14, 2017, 07:46:00 PM
A lot of people here has always stated that Biglia isn't good enough defensively (like Cathal for example).

Lucas Leiva for sure is far better than Bilgia with defensive tasks.

Yes, he is very different player, but under Inzaghi we do not aim for tiki-taka style with lot of passes (like under Pioli) and so we don't need a classic deep lying playmaker. Leiva can do some good things as DM and helping a lot more our defence.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Rizmo on July 14, 2017, 07:51:16 PM
A lot of people here has always stated that Biglia isn't good enough defensively (like Cathal for example).

Lucas Leiva for sure is far better than Bilgia with defensive tasks.

Yes, he is very different player, but under Inzaghi we do not aim for tiki-taka style with lot of passes (like under Pioli) and so we don't need a classic deep lying playmaker. Leiva can do some good things as DM and helping a lot more our defence.

True. A lot of people were screaming out for a proper DM. Leiva is exactly that. It's also positive that he didn't play so much last seasons as his body will be more fresh (no Patric, not fresh like that!).
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: javier erfi lopez on July 14, 2017, 08:06:07 PM
Just remember times when Biglia was injured and out, especially for few games in a row. What was our weakness? GUYS, look more carefully, we do not have any play maker! You know Leiva is not one, neither Alberto! I am more concern now about this rather than anything else. We need a classy play maker. Someone like Ledesma or Biglia, if not better! To me Leiva is not a sub for Biglia, I hope not. But my guess in Tare and Lottito, he is! And it can be the start of a disastrous season for us!

Even, during Biglia era, we always needed someone for his back up, bc Cataldi, Parolo, and no one else could do his role in his absence, and now We have two holes in this position! I don't understand bringing Leiva while we already have Parolo, Milinko, and to some extent Lulic. Also, I 100% prefer to bring back Cataldi in that position instead of a 30 years old player.

Minimum expectation for the rest of mercato to me is: Bringing at least a young and promising play maker. Maybe Tolgay Arslan. I think if bring him and Leiva, then I call Lottito and Tare smart guys. But we all already know they are not smart.

Lottito is just looking for about 15mil$ profit he gets out of this deal! and later maybe bring a low-class CM in January when they see with their eyes that we are in trouble and we need a CM. This is his old wrong tactic in mercato. Closing team with holes and hope it works, and if not bring a useless player in January to just shut the mouths! just look at the past 6,7 years and you always see this problem!
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: lazioserbia on July 14, 2017, 09:04:15 PM
Lucas Leiva is a shit player, I never liked him. Maybe he would fit better in Italian style of football than he has in English but still giving that much money to Leiva is absolutely idiotic and he is far from Biglia...
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: ArmLaziale on July 14, 2017, 10:24:31 PM
Why are we insisting on replacing Biglia? The guy was neither a playmaker, nor a dm, something average in between. A pure DM will let people like Luis Alberto, Felipe Anderson to unleash all the creativity you need in the world from a CM, unlike the short safe passes of Biglia.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: valdanito on July 14, 2017, 10:37:59 PM
I get that Biglia behaved like an a's's'h'o'l'e and the only way to solve everything was ousting him, but I dont get the questioning of him as a player.

Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cataldi4thewin on July 14, 2017, 10:40:43 PM
I wish we signed Freuler :(    I want to be more ambitious than signing Lucas Leiva. I don't think Lucas is a bad player, but I was hoping for someone who can make a difference. Leiva adds depth to the midfield where we need a midfielder who can really make an impact game in game out.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Terzino on July 14, 2017, 11:33:33 PM
I get that Biglia behaved like an a's's'h'o'l'e and the only way to solve everything was ousting him, but I dont get the questioning of him as a player.

I respect that you and several other members find him a top player but for me personally there's only been a small number times where I found he stood out or impressed me. Maybe it just comes to the playing style we each like. I know that he's a good player but I never liked his play for our team.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: drazvan on July 14, 2017, 11:34:06 PM
I get that Biglia behaved like an a's's'h'o'l'e and the only way to solve everything was ousting him, but I dont get the questioning of him as a player.

Why? We are not saying that he was bad but he was no DM  and no playmaker and certainly not a captain. Leiva is a DM with experience, was very loyal and captain at Liverpool and will allow Luis Alberto and Felipe to play in their natural position. I am not crying after Biglia.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 14, 2017, 11:38:06 PM
It seems Deportivo contacted Tare (again, also did in januari) for Luis Alberto.  They received an immediate 'NO' while mentioning he's remaining at Lazio.

Seems he will have a role to play in Inzaghi's 352.  Altough many rumours occur that we are still pushing for another cm, being Pasalic, we now (with Alberto in a new rol) suddenly have enough midfield players.

Murgia & (maybe Leiva) for DM.       Sergej & Alberto for CAM           Lulic & Parolo for CM

So unless Lulic is still up for starting LM instead of Lukaku the positions are full, at least if Simone intends to keep letting Murgia evolve with Lazio.  If not then yes, then a new CM could still happen.

Personally i hope it's the 2nd option.  It would add to the midfield roster with 3 competitions to play in and some backup if a nasty injury would occur.  And it would practicly eliminate Patric, with Basta & Marusic on the right, Lulic & Lukaku on the left.

But we'll see ....
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 15, 2017, 12:15:50 AM
Lucas Leiva has averaged over 5 tackles per game and over 90% possession in Premier League seasons gone by - Biglia has never reached those numbers. If we can get the most out of Lucas, he will be a better player than Biglia in terms of winning back possession and distributing it. And he is also very capable of playing centre-back and that gives us some tactical options that Biglia couldn't provide as well as some depth at the position. And, he's a better passer of the ball overall.

I get the pessimism - he's not shown anything like his best form of late and he's not a player Liverpool fans rated highly, but I understand the logic behind the signing.

Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 15, 2017, 01:06:22 AM
Rubin Kazan has announced the win over some legal battle with Rostov about Azmoun and with this he would have extended his contract.  Kazan states that he's going nowhere.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: dinhochester on July 15, 2017, 01:44:13 AM
After watching some videos, I see more similarity between these two Lucas than difference.
They look almost the same as well, at least to me.
Are they brother from different mother?
I wish we would get a pitbull kind of midfielder ala Nainggolan or Vidal to move forward in term of gameplay.
Is Nahitan Nandez still available?

Anyway still hard to believe that Bonucci move to Milan.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Emko on July 15, 2017, 08:15:28 AM
If we sell Biglia and De Vrij for around 40 millions i will be happy because:

1) We will show that we don't afraid to lose some of our best players.
2) We will show that we have learnt from past mistakes - not selling when we can. Three seasons ago we probably should have sold Anderson, Biglia, etc.

But of course, i hope to get proper subs for Biglia and De Vrij.

People here has to realize that we don't have a lot of money and we can't afford to spend without selling. And i don't think this is a big problem. Sometimes it is maybe better to let go some of your best players and buy some new, who will be more motivated to prove themself.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Bobbi on July 15, 2017, 09:05:59 AM
Lucas Leiva will be a good signing. My favourite English team is Liverpool so I watch their games whenever I can and have always like Leiva. He is a different player to Biglia so perhaps Inzaghi is looking to change up the system?

Leiva is not a superstar but he is reliable, versatile (would also give us an option in central defense), and is a real defensive mid who tackles well and can keep possession comfortably. His distribution of the ball going forward has declined over the years and he won't give us much options going forward but his role won't be that anyway. I doubt that Inzaghi sees him as a like for like Biglia replacement so I am fine with that. He is 30 years old so has a good 3-4 years still to go and will bring so much experience and leadership.

The reported 5 million fee is possibly just a bit too much though but if his personal terms aren't high then it will be a good transfer overall. Looking forward to having him here.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: gibson_lp2 on July 15, 2017, 09:51:05 AM
I think Lucas is a solid transfer. Experienced player who is established and not so much of a risk. Happy with it as a biglia replacement as I don't see biglia being worth 12 million more. Good business in my eyes.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Alsalman on July 15, 2017, 10:24:40 AM
So euro 5.5m for Leiva... and another rumored euro 8 million for the other new player we bought....

People say we don't have money yet we spent a rumoured euro 13.5 million so far on reserves / scrubs
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Nass on July 15, 2017, 11:36:33 AM
LL is a warrior! He is experienced and has lot of games under his belt even so in the CL. He is versatile player, humble personality, faithful with the two clubs he represented (only played for Gremio and still passionate for them, then LFC for 10 years and never been trouble maker but always fighting hard silently being compared to a lion by team-mates and fans). I'd welcome all those characteristics to la Lazio, some of them lacking in Biglia. :bravo:

Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cnon on July 15, 2017, 11:41:26 AM
I don't mind Lucas Leiva although I know nothing about him. And if he actually is a very good defensive midfielder, then it can surely help our defence. However the problem comes when we are playing against teams like Napoli or Juventus away and are forced to play deep and defensive, who is the player who can break the aggressive pressing and hold on the ball that extra three seconds in order to give more time for others get offensive positions. It used to Hernanes way back, it used to be Biglia after Hernanes. I highly doubt it can be Parolo, it doesn't seem like Sergej can do it. And from what I've read from here, it doesn't seem like Leiva is the guy either. It could be Luis Alberto if Inzaghi is really trying him as a regista. Or maybe our defenders can pass to each others and break the pressing but it's very risky in some situations. Otherwise we look more and more a small team who just uses long balls and hopes Immobile/Keita/Anderson can beat 2-3 defenders and create something out of nothing...
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 15, 2017, 11:59:09 AM
Lucas Leiva paired with Parolo in protection of defense can be only in one intention - releasing SMS upfront and giving him more of a free role.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Silindeee on July 15, 2017, 12:59:37 PM
I prefer stability and more protection in our defence ,adding Leiva in our team, instead of full attacking football when we concede from almost every team. I think playing more counter attacking football suit us better .
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: torsten on July 15, 2017, 01:08:28 PM
LL is a warrior! He is experienced and has lot of games under his belt even so in the CL. He is versatile player, humble personality, faithful with the two clubs he represented (only played for Gremio and still passionate for them, then LFC for 10 years and never been trouble maker but always fighting hard silently being compared to a lion by team-mates and fans). I'd welcome all those characteristics to la Lazio, some of them lacking in Biglia. :bravo:

Yeah, Leiva can be a true fan favorite! Still hoping to get some new player in the squad.

**

BUT, with the signing of Leiva we will probably see a midfield being: SMS,Leiva,Parolo in some formation. It may be stupid to spend a good 10M to get a player like Walace.. easier and cheaper to bring back Cataldi  :scarf: or Di Gennaro.. my hope is for Danilo ofc..

Strakosha, Guerrieri, Vargic, Marchetti - Wallace, de Vrij, Bastos, Hoedt, Radu, (Mauricio) - Marusic, Basta, Patric - Germani, Lulic, Lukaku - SMS, Murgia, Cataldi, Leiva, Parolo, Alberto, Crecco - Lombardi, FA, Keita, Kishna - Palombi, Djordjevic, Immobile, Rossi

A big squad, still need to decide the future on some of the players.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Nass on July 15, 2017, 01:21:08 PM
I don't mind Lucas Leiva although I know nothing about him. And if he actually is a very good defensive midfielder, then it can surely help our defence. However the problem comes when we are playing against teams like Napoli or Juventus away and are forced to play deep and defensive, who is the player who can break the aggressive pressing and hold on the ball that extra three seconds in order to give more time for others get offensive positions. It used to Hernanes way back, it used to be Biglia after Hernanes. I highly doubt it can be Parolo, it doesn't seem like Sergej can do it. And from what I've read from here, it doesn't seem like Leiva is the guy either. It could be Luis Alberto if Inzaghi is really trying him as a regista. Or maybe our defenders can pass to each others and break the pressing but it's very risky in some situations. Otherwise we look more and more a small team who just uses long balls and hopes Immobile/Keita/Anderson can beat 2-3 defenders and create something out of nothing...

Well, it's way too early to make those conclusions as the season is yet to be kicked off and the market is still open. If Hernanes and Biglia were brought once and the likes of Zarate, Klose and Ciro signed, nothing says or suggests the board won't replace what's lost or refuse to look at established names. I'm confident someone "important" will be acquired to inhere the regista role, if not now maybe winter window.

As for attack Sneijder has just become free agent after tearing up the Galatasaray contract as they'd probably'll miss out on Europe and voices hint at an Italy return. Definitely something to consider right there.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 15, 2017, 01:34:47 PM
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As for attack Sneijder has just become free agent after tearing up the Galatasaray contract as they'd probably'll miss out on Europe and voices hint at an Italy return. Definitely something to consider right there.

If we're going after Galatasaray path, reckon that Muslera is one to watch.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 15, 2017, 01:46:25 PM
So you guys think Leiva is the midfielder we're signing to replace Biglia?

If that's the case I find it very hard to not see us being weakened in that area of the pitch, new tactic or not..
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 15, 2017, 01:59:46 PM
So you guys think Leiva is the midfielder we're signing to replace Biglia?

If that's the case I find it very hard to not see us being weakened in that area of the pitch, new tactic or not..

If Leiva actually arrives then yes,  surely to replace Biglia.

In all honesty (i really mean this), if would have to pick at this moment between him and Biglia to be the DM in the current Lazio (formation and tactic) i'd pick Leiva without hesitating a second.

Inter wanted him last mercato to get grip in midfield, because Kondogbia, Gagliardini and Medel couldn't cut it.
This says quit a bit, and why i'm still carefull on calling him a done deal, because Inter can still hyjack this thing.

He's more or less an extra defender on the pitch.  He's better at recovering, i don't think his passing will be any less, and he passes more forward then anything else.  So thinking quick solid counterplay he's the better option.

Plus it leaves the club with around 12 mill extra since he would only cost 5 to 5.5mill.
He's a year younger and will actually want to be here.  :twinkle:
Good business in every aspect!
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: LazialefromGhent on July 15, 2017, 02:01:18 PM
i'd take sneijder honestly. He's still very very good
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 15, 2017, 02:03:34 PM
Always had a feeling that Leiva would suit Serie A perfect, given his discipline and work on pitch. Perhaps Inzaghi and Tare really took u-turn and rethink about defensive woes that erupted toward season end and with Leiva intending to solve it.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Secret_Samadhi on July 15, 2017, 02:08:12 PM


In all honesty (i really mean this), if would have to pick at this moment between him and Biglia to be the DM in the current Lazio (formation and tactic) i'd pick Leiva without hesitating a second.

He's more or less an extra defender on the pitch.  He's better at recovering, i don't think his passing will be any less, and he passes more forward then anything else.  So thinking quick solid counterplay he's the better option.
Call me a fool, but I think the same.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 15, 2017, 02:11:11 PM
Always had a feeling that Leiva would suit Serie A perfect, given his discipline and work on pitch. Perhaps Inzaghi and Tare really took u-turn and rethink about defensive woes that erupted toward season end and with Leiva intending to solve it.

That's what he does on the pitch, he pops up in front or actually in the defensive line with the CB's giving them a safe option.  He makes CB's look solid.

Like this season when Inzaghi clearly instructed defenders or Strakosha to seek out Biglia while getting under pressure during playing out.  Leiva should be able to handle this great.



In all honesty (i really mean this), if would have to pick at this moment between him and Biglia to be the DM in the current Lazio (formation and tactic) i'd pick Leiva without hesitating a second.

He's more or less an extra defender on the pitch.  He's better at recovering, i don't think his passing will be any less, and he passes more forward then anything else.  So thinking quick solid counterplay he's the better option.
Call me a fool, but I think the same.

So you think some will call me a fool to?   :twinkle:

Well, i'm sure that will happen, but i'think (hope) Leiva will show it himself during the upcoming season.
He'll be populair quickly with the fans.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 15, 2017, 02:25:55 PM
Well I can understand the club's/Inzagi's decision to change things around because in the last two seasons we've conceded more than 50 goals in the Serie A per season.

If that's the thought behind signing Leiva then I do hope we also do business on the CB position. I'm still not sold on Hoedt, Wallace and Bastos. Radu and De Vrij can play from the start, but the first three mentioned should not be in our starting 11 imo..
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: torsten on July 15, 2017, 02:53:31 PM
Well I can understand the club's/Inzagi's decision to change things around because in the last two seasons we've conceded more than 50 goals in the Serie A per season.

If that's the thought behind signing Leiva then I do hope we also do business on the CB position. I'm still not sold on Hoedt, Wallace and Bastos. Radu and De Vrij can play from the start, but the first three mentioned should not be in our starting 11 imo..

I'm quite confident about our CB's actually. Unless someone leaves ofc. Hoedt, Wallace, de Vrij is a solid back three. Leiva infront will also make Parolo more confident going forward together with SMS. This season I think we will see more goals from Parolo than the last two!
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Hadi Van Der Vaart on July 15, 2017, 05:36:32 PM
There are a lot of discussions in the last few pages n I find it is a repetition of every mercato. I still remember when I said "sell Hernanes" n his fans were mad at me also they told me we would struggle if he left. Then last season when Candreva left, some also going crazy, especially when the replacement was only Luis Alberto. But we are still fine until now, like the quote from Jurassic Park, "life will find its own way". :supsmile:

I can accept our management method in selling our best assets in the right time. It's the method that makes Atletico n Dortmund like today. The problem with us is we dont invest wisely n that is our weakness. I mean if we have only 10 million but we spend it to 4 players like Kishna, Morrison, Djorje n Leitner, I prefer we spend the whole budget to 2 or probably even 1 player that can give impact to the team.

About the way we handle player's contract situation, I dont believe we wait until they only have 1 year left. Anderson n Sergej got extension when they still have long contract, that's a fact n it makes me wonder if it is the player who delays it because I believe we already offering extension to them. I suspect Keita n de Vrij agent influence their client n hold all of the talks so that they can get a lot of money.

About Leiva, I only know he is someone who doing dirty job in midfield n eventhough I dont rate him highly, we need player with his attribute. I often got mad last season when I saw the opponent freely brought the ball to our defensive area without anyone tried to stop it. This deal can be good or bad, but I agree with the reason signing player like him n I just checked his social media accounts, it seems Liverpool fans really like this guy. That is positive thing for me already. :supsmile:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 15, 2017, 05:44:17 PM
Does anyone have a list of players that Mateja Kezman is the agent for?

So far I found Vlad Bisevac, Sergej Milinkovic Savic, Nemanja Matic and Adam Marusic. Anyone see a pattern?

Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: lazioserbia on July 15, 2017, 05:51:20 PM
Does anyone have a list of players that Mateja Kezman is the agent for?

So far I found Vlad Bisevac, Sergej Milinkovic Savic, Nemanja Matic and Adam Marusic. Anyone see a pattern?

Matic coming to Lazio to replace Biglia?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 15, 2017, 05:52:54 PM
Does anyone have a list of players that Mateja Kezman is the agent for?

So far I found Vlad Bisevac, Sergej Milinkovic Savic, Nemanja Matic and Adam Marusic. Anyone see a pattern?

Matic coming to Lazio to replace Biglia?

Unfortunately it seems he's on his way to Juve...:(
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Silindeee on July 15, 2017, 05:53:37 PM
Dont u think we need a backup attacker? What if immobile gets injured?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: stefano_40 on July 15, 2017, 06:16:06 PM
There are a lot of discussions in the last few pages n I find it is a repetition of every mercato. I still remember when I said "sell Hernanes" n his fans were mad at me also they told me we would struggle if he left. Then last season when Candreva left, some also going crazy, especially when the replacement was only Luis Alberto. But we are still fine until now, like the quote from Jurassic Park, "life will find its own way". :supsmile:

I can accept our management method in selling our best assets in the right time. It's the method that makes Atletico n Dortmund like today. The problem with us is we dont invest wisely n that is our weakness. I mean if we have only 10 million but we spend it to 4 players like Kishna, Morrison, Djorje n Leitner, I prefer we spend the whole budget to 2 or probably even 1 player that can give impact to the team.


I agree with the first part of this, its OK to sell our best player in order to build the rest of the team. The second part though, I've gone through it before. We have to take risks, we can't really afford not to. There's nothing to say that Kishna couldn't have succeeded and Keita could have fallen flat. Same goes with Morrison and SMS, easily could have been the other way around.

Kishna was meant to be the next big thing in Dutch football. Seemed like a smart deal at the time. Young players will always have a resale value, so it actually isn't that bad of we lose 3-4 million on some of we are going to make (probably) 30-40 million on the likes of SMS, FA and Keita, all risks in their own right.

One marquee player a season, 2 relatively solid options and 2-3 risks. Seems to generally be our mercato structure. Don't see why it would change.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Giolazio on July 15, 2017, 07:09:01 PM
There are a lot of discussions in the last few pages n I find it is a repetition of every mercato. I still remember when I said "sell Hernanes" n his fans were mad at me also they told me we would struggle if he left. Then last season when Candreva left, some also going crazy, especially when the replacement was only Luis Alberto. But we are still fine until now, like the quote from Jurassic Park, "life will find its own way". :supsmile:

Spot on. You can be far more successful by creating a team with players that perfectly fit a tactic rather than having 11 great players in a line-up. We have been somewhere between the two for a while now.

I've no doubt in my mind that while Biglia might be a slightly better player (and I mean slightly), Leiva is far more suited to our formation. This is a massive plus.

I always scratch my head at how teams like Atalanta and Chievo can give Juve tough matches yet Juve steamroll us. It's all about the unit, not the individuals. I expect to see a much better showing against the big teams with players like Leiva on the pitch than Biglia.
 
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cnon on July 15, 2017, 07:28:14 PM
I always scratch my head at how teams like Atalanta and Chievo can give Juve tough matches yet Juve steamroll us. It's all about the unit, not the individuals. I expect to see a much better showing against the big teams with players like Leiva on the pitch than Biglia.

I don't think it's the system those teams play or the players they have (that's certain right, Lazio have much better players than Chievo) but more likely the attitude of Juventus or Napoli or whoever. Juventus know they are huge favourites, maybe they only give 90% in order to focus on teams like Lazio or next UCL opponent in the coming weeks and still know that's most likely enough to win. That's how I see it, I just can't accept that suddenly teams like Chievo are better than us and more threat when playing against Juve.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: phantomm1976 on July 15, 2017, 07:55:55 PM
 A lot of us knowing Leiva before that we saw Biglia( simply, we didnt watch Belgium league)....and when Biglia came we saw the similarity's with Leiva...
 - midfielder of the last line-not attacking ones- not a great driblls, simply ball......
 The similaritys of two Lucas is biger than "details" of :
-Leiva tackles-Biglia start the action....
 We took one year younger player, from one of the bigest team in world(comparing to Anderlecht), with expirience of Europe.....
 And all of this for "5 milions"....c'mon guys,be objective : Did anyone excpected something better ?
 - Matic or Cesc ....?
 Liked or not, we made a great deal(of course ,speaking in "our terms of mercato"-Lotare) :
 - We sell Biglia for 17 + mil
 -We didnt risk to lose 17m(January or next summer)
 -We have 12 m for new sign
 -Leiva is solid player,very good for this Lazio (example Brocchi-came as the sub Milan player at the CL Milan era)
 Take a breath. Hope we finish Keita drama and keep DV here with new contract.
 Last year we "sacriface" Candreva ....between other players that can bring us money Antonio was the best solution for that moment
 Biglia is "sacriface"of this summer. Again, best one,logical ones. Better than losing FA-SMS-CIRO-DV.
 I repaid : its only 5 mil, what did you expecting ?!
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Giolazio on July 15, 2017, 11:16:49 PM
I always scratch my head at how teams like Atalanta and Chievo can give Juve tough matches yet Juve steamroll us. It's all about the unit, not the individuals. I expect to see a much better showing against the big teams with players like Leiva on the pitch than Biglia.

I don't think it's the system those teams play or the players they have (that's certain right, Lazio have much better players than Chievo) but more likely the attitude of Juventus or Napoli or whoever. Juventus know they are huge favourites, maybe they only give 90% in order to focus on teams like Lazio or next UCL opponent in the coming weeks and still know that's most likely enough to win. That's how I see it, I just can't accept that suddenly teams like Chievo are better than us and more threat when playing against Juve.

It wasn't really what I meant. Simply that I feel Atalanta and Chievo get better out of their players than we do because they pick players to fit a system rather than trying to find a system based on what they have. I mean we play FA as a wing back at times...
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 15, 2017, 11:46:52 PM
I always scratch my head at how teams like Atalanta and Chievo can give Juve tough matches yet Juve steamroll us. It's all about the unit, not the individuals. I expect to see a much better showing against the big teams with players like Leiva on the pitch than Biglia.

I don't think it's the system those teams play or the players they have (that's certain right, Lazio have much better players than Chievo) but more likely the attitude of Juventus or Napoli or whoever. Juventus know they are huge favourites, maybe they only give 90% in order to focus on teams like Lazio or next UCL opponent in the coming weeks and still know that's most likely enough to win. That's how I see it, I just can't accept that suddenly teams like Chievo are better than us and more threat when playing against Juve.

It wasn't really what I meant. Simply that I feel Atalanta and Chievo get better out of their players than we do because they pick players to fit a system rather than trying to find a system based on what they have. I mean we play FA as a wing back at times...

Well that's exactly right, Chievo picks every player to fit their system of counterplay.
They can afford to do that because most opponents won't park the bus against them and will go for a win or a point at most.  Lazio can't afford that because most opponents will park the bus and be very pleased with a 0-0.  Lazio are one of the few teams in Serie A who has to have 2 approaches.  We don't have the team to make the play against Juve, Merda, Napoli ... but we have the team to dominate all the lower ranked clubs.  The Lazio roster is probably one of the hardest tasks to build out in Serie A.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Secret_Samadhi on July 16, 2017, 12:38:11 AM

So you think some will call me a fool to?   :twinkle:

Well, i'm sure that will happen, but i'think (hope) Leiva will show it himself during the upcoming season.
He'll be populair quickly with the fans.
I also think Leiva is underrated player as he is Brazilian and people think about samba, dribblings and so. I've seen enough of him in Liverpool to think he will replace Biglia good, if not be better in that position.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 16, 2017, 01:09:08 AM

So you think some will call me a fool to?   :twinkle:

Well, i'm sure that will happen, but i'think (hope) Leiva will show it himself during the upcoming season.
He'll be populair quickly with the fans.
I also think Leiva is underrated player as he is Brazilian and people think about samba, dribblings and so. I've seen enough of him in Liverpool to think he will replace Biglia good, if not be better in that position.

Don't know if the samba football thing is what makes most people not enthousiastic, but yes those who seen him play enough know he's actually a very secure and focussed player.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 16, 2017, 01:42:10 AM
Strong rumors that Pasalic is done deal, for around 8 million. Would be bit of strange move, because he's like clone of SMS - unless we prepare replacement one year before imminent move.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 16, 2017, 02:01:52 AM
Strong rumors that Pasalic is done deal, for around 8 million. Would be bit of strange move, because he's like clone of SMS - unless we prepare replacement one year before imminent move.

Yes his name keeps popping up day after day for the last week or so, there could definitly be something going on. 

Look at it this way, if Lulic keeps playing mezzala like at Auronzo (which i think he won't) we've got 2 players for each central midfield position :

- (Leiva), Murgia
- Lulic, Luis Alberto
- Parolo, Sergej

If not, then there's a spot open and we know Lotito always wants 2 players for each position.  That's an opinoin he stated openly a couple of years ago. 

With Parolo losing a little physique getting older, Alberto not being the most fittest and Murgia finding his way another CM might not be a very big luxuary with Serie A, EL & Coppa coming up.

So maybe we should look at the midfield this way:

Lukaku/Lulic        Milinkovic/(Pasalic?)         Murgia/(Leiva)          Parolo/Luis Alberto        Basta/Marusic

Probably more plausible then Lombardi or Patric continiously subbing on the leftwing.

Strange that the Di Gennaro rumour is also sticking, that would be a little over the top.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 16, 2017, 02:15:08 AM
Also several reporst that Tare will buy 21y old goalkeeper Radunovic from Atalanta and then send him to Salerno to get gametime.

Maybe he was part of the reason why Atalanta got a discount on Berisha .....
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 16, 2017, 12:35:46 PM
Lapadula to Genoa broke down due to plantar fasciitis of attacker.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Giolazio on July 16, 2017, 01:00:03 PM
Lapadula to Genoa broke down due to plantar fasciitis of attacker.

Not a nice condition, I've had it for a few years but it certainly shouldn't keep you out of too many matches if managed properly. Basta has it and managed to play most of the season.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: BoDz4 on July 16, 2017, 01:44:20 PM
If Pasalic comes I`m starting to call Tare - Tito.  :supsmile:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Skenderbeu on July 16, 2017, 01:47:49 PM
If Pasalic comes I`m starting to call Tare - Tito.  :supsmile:

How do you mean? What has Tare to do with Josip Broz Tito?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: lazioserbia on July 16, 2017, 01:58:32 PM
If Pasalic comes I`m starting to call Tare - Tito.  :supsmile:

Please bro, don't mention that piece of shit...
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: BoDz4 on July 16, 2017, 01:59:05 PM
If Pasalic comes I`m starting to call Tare - Tito.  :supsmile:

How do you mean? What has Tare to do with Josip Broz Tito?

Well he is making a little Yugoslavia in Lazio, isn`t he.

If Pasalic comes I`m starting to call Tare - Tito.  :supsmile:

Please bro, don't mention that piece of shit...

That was a joke, lets not start about politics, sorry for mentioning anything.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: phantomm1976 on July 16, 2017, 02:01:57 PM
 True, but if he bring Kovacic for example than he could be : Tito za sve nas  :vcool:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: lazioserbia on July 16, 2017, 02:06:22 PM
If Pasalic comes I`m starting to call Tare - Tito.  :supsmile:

How do you mean? What has Tare to do with Josip Broz Tito?

Well he is making a little Yugoslavia in Lazio, isn`t he.

If Pasalic comes I`m starting to call Tare - Tito.  :supsmile:

Please bro, don't mention that piece of shit...

That was a joke, lets not start about politics, sorry for mentioning anything.

Yeah, thanks bro  :beer:  I'm sorry, I'm allergic to him.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: dinhochester on July 16, 2017, 02:14:55 PM
Lapadula to Genoa broke down due to plantar fasciitis of attacker.

Not a nice condition, I've had it for a few years but it certainly shouldn't keep you out of too many matches if managed properly. Basta has it and managed to play most of the season.
If I am not mistaken, Basta injury was achilles tendon.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: LazialefromGhent on July 16, 2017, 02:28:07 PM
Leiva arrives at Fiumicino tonight medicals tomorrow morning

BENVENUTO LUCAS  :offlag: :offlag: :offlag:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Secret_Samadhi on July 16, 2017, 03:54:15 PM
If Pasalic comes I`m starting to call Tare - Tito.  :supsmile:

Please bro, don't mention that piece of shit...
Tito is the King!
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 16, 2017, 04:12:14 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdmeHkqFd7w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdmeHkqFd7w)

Good to see that Lotito has sent his best spy to Milan to sabotage their work

FORZA LAZIO  :band04:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: lazioserbia on July 16, 2017, 04:22:10 PM
If Pasalic comes I`m starting to call Tare - Tito.  :supsmile:

Please bro, don't mention that piece of shit...
Tito is the King!

An admin that is encouraging political talk?  :fingerup:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Giolazio on July 16, 2017, 04:32:31 PM
Lapadula to Genoa broke down due to plantar fasciitis of attacker.

Not a nice condition, I've had it for a few years but it certainly shouldn't keep you out of too many matches if managed properly. Basta has it and managed to play most of the season.
If I am not mistaken, Basta injury was achilles tendon.

They said plantar fasciitis at the time. Not sure if it changed. I remember because I was explaining to people what it was  :supsmile:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: dinhochester on July 16, 2017, 04:36:05 PM
Just read in wikipedia that Lucas Leiva suffered ACL injury in 2011 and other injury in 2013, 2015.
Cant be good.
Why Tare dont take this into consideration?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 16, 2017, 04:39:05 PM
Just read in wikipedia that Lucas Leiva suffered ACL injury in 2011 and other injury in 2013, 2015.
Cant be good.
Why Tare dont take this into consideration?

https://www.transfermarkt.com/lucas-leiva/verletzungen/spieler/41414 (https://www.transfermarkt.com/lucas-leiva/verletzungen/spieler/41414)

There's the breakdown of all his injuries..

Given our history with injuries, this is something that worries me a bit. But hopefully we're signing more midfielders..
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: dinhochester on July 16, 2017, 04:39:57 PM
Lapadula to Genoa broke down due to plantar fasciitis of attacker.

Not a nice condition, I've had it for a few years but it certainly shouldn't keep you out of too many matches if managed properly. Basta has it and managed to play most of the season.
If I am not mistaken, Basta injury was achilles tendon.

They said plantar fasciitis at the time. Not sure if it changed. I remember because I was explaining to people what it was  :supsmile:
They seem are interconnected.
Injury to the achilles tendon might cause injury to plantar fascia.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: dinhochester on July 16, 2017, 04:44:20 PM
Just read in wikipedia that Lucas Leiva suffered ACL injury in 2011 and other injury in 2013, 2015.
Cant be good.
Why Tare dont take this into consideration?

https://www.transfermarkt.com/lucas-leiva/verletzungen/spieler/41414 (https://www.transfermarkt.com/lucas-leiva/verletzungen/spieler/41414)

There's the breakdown of all his injuries..

Given our history with injuries, this is something that worries me a bit. But hopefully we're signing more midfielders..
I am surprised to see that amount of injury and disappointed to be honest.
It is not his fault but our management should consider this injury factor more.
We can choose better option I think.

This is Lucas after his surgery back in 2012.
A nice guy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prcfAgHK73s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prcfAgHK73s)
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Secret_Samadhi on July 16, 2017, 05:53:36 PM
If Pasalic comes I`m starting to call Tare - Tito.  :supsmile:

Please bro, don't mention that piece of shit...
Tito is the King!

An admin that is encouraging political talk?  :fingerup:
:twinkle:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: LazialefromGhent on July 16, 2017, 08:30:37 PM
Keita off to Inter
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 16, 2017, 08:33:58 PM
*sigh* so much for lazialita in that kid

Off to cash a pay check no doubt. Why the fu ck go to inter now?

Oh well that's two of the best five players last season gone. De vrij heading to juventus?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 16, 2017, 08:38:00 PM
Rumor is based on photography on which car is seen but not who is inside.

Story is there, but not legitimate.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: stefano_40 on July 16, 2017, 09:08:31 PM
Rumor is based on photography on which car is seen but not who is inside.

Story is there, but not legitimate.

It is quite suspicious that he didn't play today after hearing this, but I suspect that the rumor was made out of that fact that he didn't play as opposed to the reason that he didn't play being that he was negotiating a move. And for the €20 million that's rumored, I'd have to chalk this one down as BS.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 16, 2017, 09:15:54 PM
The media will run with Keita's absence from today's friendly while they can, but at the same time, there's a reason Keita didn't play and the most obvious explanation would indeed be transfer-related.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 16, 2017, 09:17:42 PM
Yes, everything still very unclear.  But it doesn't look good.  Didn't play at the game today.  Several reports of Inter stepping up wich is likely because Sabatini would love to sign him.

Let's wait this out, because a lot of media crap will come down now and a lot of wrong facts will appear before we get to the real deal.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 16, 2017, 09:19:32 PM
Lucas Leiva arrived at Fiumicino.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 16, 2017, 09:24:03 PM
And apparently welcomed by a reasonable group of enthousiastic Laziali.

 :offlag:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: LazialefromGhent on July 16, 2017, 09:26:06 PM
atleast this Lucas can smile!!  :bravo: :bravo:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 16, 2017, 09:41:52 PM
Surely there's no way we would only get 20 mill euros for Keita..I mean we're getting that for Biglia and Keita is like 10 years younger
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Secret_Samadhi on July 16, 2017, 09:44:46 PM
If Lotito is stupid to let go Keita for only 20 milion then he should do harakiri.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 16, 2017, 09:48:29 PM
Surely there's no way we would only get 20 mill euros for Keita..I mean we're getting that for Biglia and Keita is like 10 years younger

Numbers are going to be thrown around now by the press, a lot ot guessing.
But we should remembert he's nearing end of contract, so it could be possible.
Altough 20 mill would be a joke indeed for a worldclass talent like Keita.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Giolazio on July 16, 2017, 09:57:04 PM
If ever there was a place for people jumping the gun it's here. I could go back through only the last few days to read 'Lotito would be stupid to do this and that...' when none of it has happened.

Again, let's just bloody wait until we hear something legit before complaining or rejoicing.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Miro on July 16, 2017, 10:02:54 PM
If Lotito is stupid to let go Keita for only 20 milion then he should do harakiri.

Well he squeezed Milan out of every euro for Biglia, don't think he will let Keita go for cheap. Even if his contract expires next year.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Rizmo on July 16, 2017, 10:04:25 PM
Again, let's just bloody wait until we hear something legit before complaining or rejoicing.

Boooooring. Let's start throwing pies in every direction straight away! Much more fun!
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Rizmo on July 16, 2017, 10:06:10 PM
If Lotito is stupid to let go Keita for only 20 milion then he should do harakiri.

Well he squeezed Milan out of every euro for Biglia, don't think he will let Keita go for cheap. Even if his contract expires next year.

I'd take Barbosa as part of the deal. €15m + Gabigol would be acceptable. Don't think well get an offer over €25m anyway.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Giolazio on July 16, 2017, 10:06:41 PM
Again, let's just bloody wait until we hear something legit before complaining or rejoicing.

Boooooring. Let's start throwing pies in every direction straight away! Much more fun!

 :supsmile:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 16, 2017, 10:09:51 PM
If Lotito is stupid to let go Keita for only 20 milion then he should do harakiri.

Well he squeezed Milan out of every euro for Biglia, don't think he will let Keita go for cheap. Even if his contract expires next year.

I'd take Barbosa as part of the deal. €15m + Gabigol would be acceptable. Don't think well get an offer over €25m anyway.

Barbosa earns three million at Inter. Between him and Morrison wouldn't be much difference.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Miro on July 16, 2017, 10:17:48 PM
If we thought that Biglia was a cry baby, just wait for Gabigol and his agent. haha I would rather just take straight cash, too many mercenaries on that Inter team.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 16, 2017, 10:24:09 PM
If Lotito is stupid to let go Keita for only 20 milion then he should do harakiri.

Well he squeezed Milan out of every euro for Biglia, don't think he will let Keita go for cheap. Even if his contract expires next year.

I'd take Barbosa as part of the deal. €15m + Gabigol would be acceptable. Don't think well get an offer over €25m anyway.

Barbosa earns three million at Inter. Between him and Morrison wouldn't be much difference.

Yep, 3mill and constantly bitches.

And Inter paid around 30mill for him.    :twinkle:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 16, 2017, 10:26:13 PM
Again, let's just bloody wait until we hear something legit before complaining or rejoicing.

Boooooring. Let's start throwing pies in every direction straight away! Much more fun!

 :supsmile:

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Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 16, 2017, 10:32:28 PM
Calciomercato Lazio, Lucas Leiva a Fiumicino (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55e_RYI6xqc#)
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Rizmo on July 16, 2017, 10:33:14 PM
It's not like Inter were role models in how to treat a young prospect coming from another country with a high price tag and big pressure.

I'm sure he'd want a second chance to prove himself and would be very motivated. He's young and most agents are assholes so I wouldn't put too much emphasis on the moaning. I'm sure some fans would be reluctant to signing Keita for "all his and his agent complaining"
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 16, 2017, 10:50:16 PM
Wouldn't be surprised if club launched this 'news' about Keita to initiate bidding war. Suspicion grows because Calenda - after long period - appeared and denied everything.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Akha on July 16, 2017, 11:25:49 PM
Do we have any legitimate source stating the numbers of Biglia's transfer? I mean money and number of installments. Most journals are going with 17 split in two + 3 but it's pretty high so I'm quite suspicious.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: stefano_40 on July 16, 2017, 11:34:59 PM
It's frowned upon when we gamble and take unknown, unproven, yet expensive youngsters to the club, yet Gabigol is being touted as an option....?  :whistle: :whistle: :whistle:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 17, 2017, 12:01:38 AM
Reports about inter and lazio having agreed a 22 mill euro deal for keita. If true that seems quite cheap when compared to what biglia went for...
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 17, 2017, 12:07:24 AM
Reports about inter and lazio having agreed a 22 mill euro deal for keita. If true that seems quite cheap when compared to what biglia went for...

Both clubs are silent and his agent denies everything.
Where there's smoke there's fire but still, let's wait it out.
That number could be completely cooked up.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Danes on July 17, 2017, 12:13:59 AM
22 mil for Keita is an insult, even og his contract is only for a year. If Perisic is sold for 55 with 3 years on his contract we should atleast be looking at 30-35
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: valdanito on July 17, 2017, 01:40:52 AM
With cry baby gone now I just want us to focus on solving keita and de vrij. Whatever comes of it. I know i give lotare a lot of shit, and biglia had to be sold. Thing that really bothers me is that i think this was all avoidable had they paid attention when we had to.


I just want us to start looking forward as soon as possible.


Welcome Lucas Leiva, really hope whe can see a Lucas in top form and shape!
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: valdanito on July 17, 2017, 01:49:06 AM
And if we loose them expect a bunch of us to come and complain and start with lotito vattene shit again. Even if nothing to keep them can de done. I think its only natural to react and this is the place some of us vent to, because we have nowhere else to and because we feel comfortable sorrounded by other fans.

After so many years as lazio fans you would expect to get used to it, some of us probably never will.

Public apology to rizmo for calling him a prick :)

Time to move on...
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: dinhochester on July 17, 2017, 03:33:29 AM
Do you guys think signing Leiva is a good move?
Has his injury record been affecting his performance in the past?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: blue_sky on July 17, 2017, 06:43:19 AM
I think we will sign another midfielder.
maybe Pasalic, maybe any others.

signing Leiva is good move tough. but it's just not align with what Lotito said about "Project" and young player that winning title as suddenly he said like Leicester.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cnon on July 17, 2017, 07:55:07 AM
As far as I know, Perisic didn't play either when Inter played a training match. Also, there has been rumours about Perisic being unhappy and wanting to leave. Keita to Inter would make a lot of sense. Unfortunately I see this happening. But we should ask 30 million and nothing less because they're getting 55 million for Perisic.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Secret_Samadhi on July 17, 2017, 08:03:21 AM
22 milion for a player like Keita is an insult, no matter he has one year left on the contract. Lotito can't be so stupid to let go one of the biggest assets this club have for such a small sum, when you see nobodies go for twice that price.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 17, 2017, 08:39:48 AM
I know some weird stuff has been said and done over the years, but taking 22 million for Keita when you've claimed to turn down 45 million - in the same period you've been demanding a club pay 20 million for a 31 year-old until they come good on it - doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: blue_sky on July 17, 2017, 08:46:58 AM
I know some weird stuff has been said and done over the years, but taking 22 million for Keita when you've claimed to turn down 45 million - in the same period you've been demanding a club pay 20 million for a 31 year-old until they come good on it - doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
I don't know Cathal, it seems that you really hate Biglia most.
in this thread, and others thread also..

C'mon don't take it so deep. some people said that the one you hate most was the one you love most. :razz:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 17, 2017, 08:55:06 AM
I don't know Cathal, it seems that you really hate Biglia most.

I hate Biglia because I am comparing rumours regarding Keita to how the club handled the Biglia transfer?

I haven't posted much in the last week, but I've read many people say many things about Biglia which are a lot worse than anything I've said in the last 4 years.

I'm never going to come across as being a supporter of a player who no longer wants to be a supported. It's a simple premise. Sometimes on this forum, it comes across as if being a Lazio fan is about supporting the 2 or 3 players you like because you like the way they play, or they are from your homeland or you like their name or their number or whatever. Which is fine, but it's not for me.

Biglia doesn't want us to support him any more, so I at least move on.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Dakiller961 on July 17, 2017, 09:07:57 AM
Seems cataldi to Benveneto is back on... on loan
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: dinhochester on July 17, 2017, 09:25:00 AM
I browse around on people comment about Lucas Leiva including Liverpool fans.
In summary, he is a very nice guy but in term of playing football he is not good anymore.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 17, 2017, 09:37:27 AM
I browse around on people comment about Lucas Leiva including Liverpool fans.
In summary, he is a very nice guy but in term of playing football he is not good anymore.

Liverpool fans admire Leiva because he started his career poorly at the club and they treated him like dirt and 10 years later, he's still there and has been a big player for them, someone they see as a leader and a great person.

Leiva came up with as many assists in 6 games in midfield last season as Biglia did in the whole of last season. Leiva put in more tackles each and every season for Liverpool than Biglia did for Lazio. I find it weird that people say he can't replace Biglia or that he's not as good of a player because for me, there was at least a time where he was very capable of being both a direct replacement and a better all-rounder.

He is 30 and he has found himself down the pecking order so there is a chance that he's past his best, that injuries have taken a toll and this signing might be a gamble that doesn't pay off, but if on top form, Biglia won't be missed.

I personally believe Leiva is underrated by as much as Biglia is overrated but I'm not going to say Leiva will have the kind of influence on this team that Biglia had because Leiva has to prove something to Lazio the same way Biglia will have to do the same in Milan.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cnon on July 17, 2017, 10:07:32 AM
I browse around on people comment about Lucas Leiva including Liverpool fans.
In summary, he is a very nice guy but in term of playing football he is not good anymore.

Liverpool fans admire Leiva because he started his career poorly at the club and they treated him like dirt and 10 years later, he's still there and has been a big player for them, someone they see as a leader and a great person.

Leiva came up with as many assists in 6 games in midfield last season as Biglia did in the whole of last season. Leiva put in more tackles each and every season for Liverpool than Biglia did for Lazio. I find it weird that people say he can't replace Biglia or that he's not as good of a player because for me, there was at least a time where he was very capable of being both a direct replacement and a better all-rounder.

He is 30 and he has found himself down the pecking order so there is a chance that he's past his best, that injuries have taken a toll and this signing might be a gamble that doesn't pay off, but if on top form, Biglia won't be missed.

I personally believe Leiva is underrated by as much as Biglia is overrated but I'm not going to say Leiva will have the kind of influence on this team that Biglia had because Leiva has to prove something to Lazio the same way Biglia will have to do the same in Milan.

I have no doubt he can be a good player for us. But you're only talking about tackles and assists, what about holding on the ball in tight areas where 3 players are pressing you and trying to get the ball away. If not, then he can't replace Biglia. And I'm not saying Biglias was world class at doing that but he was good, much better than Parolo or Sergej. So, it's like saying Kozak can replace Sergej because both win a lot of headers while both are completely different players.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: dinhochester on July 17, 2017, 10:17:00 AM
I am pessimist about Leiva.
And I also not expect this transfer from Tare.
I thought he gonna search for more young Serbian or Bosnian etc.
I am surprised.
Too big of a gamble.
Especially the injury.
You are talking a big IF when talking about top form.
I tend to shy away from stats and trust more on Liverpool fans general comments.
Because they watch him everytime.

We need someone better and we can find it, but why this?

I dont want to compare Leiva with Biglia.
But surely we can find someone better in the market?
Or am I overestimating the market?

Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 17, 2017, 10:18:52 AM
I have no doubt he can be a good player for us. But you're only talking about tackles and assists, what about holding on the ball in tight areas where 3 players are pressing you and trying to get the ball away. If not, then he can't replace Biglia.

Firstly, I saw many occasions last season where Biglia was in acres of space and he'd sit and look around with the ball and someone came in with a hard challenge and Biglia was on the floor and the opposition player would be running at our centre-backs so suggesting Biglia has some sort of superhuman ball control is a bit much.

Secondly, if we get into such idiosyncracies, only Biglia can replace Biglia because to replace Biglia you'd have to be Biglia. I agree Biglia has better ball control than Leiva and can get himself out of tough spots with it, but Leiva is 10kg heavier and will get himself out of tough spots by being 10kg heavier than Biglia. Two different methods that lead to the same outcome. There's been a suggestion that Inzaghi wants more muscle in midfield and that's probably where Leiva is different to Biglia.

At the end of the day, Lazio have chosen to replace Biglia with Leiva - it wouldn't happen if the Lazio management did not believe he was a suitable replacement. Of course he's not going to be identical in playing style to Biglia, but a lot of people seem to be saying he can't do things that at least at one point he clearly could. Whether he still has it at 30 after many injuries and a lack of 90 minutes under his belt in recent times is another matter.

But this suggestion he can't do what Biglia did is a bit wide of the mark. He's not the same player because he's not a clone, but he has been doing the same job at Liverpool for the last 10 years that Biglia did at Lazio.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Ed on July 17, 2017, 10:27:30 AM
You'd have thought after Hernanes and Candreva that Keita might realise that a move to Inter is not going to win you anything! If Keita is sold for a decent amount to Juventus or abroad then begrudgingly I could accept it, but if Keita is sold for less than half of Perisic's supposed value to Inter then I can't.

Personally I don't think Lucas is anything more than an average defensive midfielder but I suppose it makes sense to bring in that type of player, a player we've been missing for a while. He outperformed Emre Can at Liverpool, and yet Can is still rated highly by Klopp and seems to have been interesting teams like Juventus, so in that regard we might have done well to get him. It's just such an uninspiring signing and doesn't really encourage excitement that we can improve. Still, a lot of you seem quite happy and I hope he can prove himself to be as worthy a warrior as someone like Brocchi did.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: blue-white on July 17, 2017, 10:41:53 AM
He outperformed Emre Can at Liverpool and yet Can is still rated highly by Klopp and seems to have been interesting teams like Juventus so in that regard we might have done well to get him.

another fact, why we can believe Lucas will do his job at Lazio. Clear - he has to be at 100% fit, and has to "learn" Serie A as fast as possible.


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Firstly, I saw many occasions last season where Biglia was in acres of space and he'd sit and look around with the ball and someone came in with a hard challenge and Biglia was on the floor and the opposition player would be running at our centre-backs so suggesting Biglia has some sort of superhuman ball control is a bit much.
....too many times this had happen...
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 17, 2017, 10:50:08 AM
Didn't think about this, but the media are pointing out how Lucas Leiva is the first signing since Klose and Cissé to have a huge international following, noting that he has a greater presence on social media than any other player we have signed.

I did say a while ago that I felt we might be looking for a profile-raising signing - can't remember why I said it, but I remember saying it. Only now realising Lucas Leiva will have that effect.

Clear - he has to be at 100% fit, and has to "learn" Serie A as fast as possible.

It's that simple for me. If 100% healthy and if he adapts quickly, he'll be a success. The difference between Miroslav Klose and Julio Cruz or Giuseppe Biava and Milan Bisevac is that one was healthy and the other was not. That's what these signings always come down to.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Giolazio on July 17, 2017, 12:08:21 PM
People need to stop reading the opinions of fans from the club a player is leaving or left. Fans notoriously turn on players once they have a foot out the door. Look at us...

So take what Liverpool fans say with a pinch of salt.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Ed on July 17, 2017, 12:13:26 PM
It seems very strange, almost absurd, to be talking about Lucas as a signing to raise our profile but if that is something he can do then all well and good. I really hope he can meet everyone's positive expectations!

The difference between Biava and Bisevac was far more than fitness and health! Bisevac wasn't good enough to be on the same pitch as Biava!
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: dinhochester on July 17, 2017, 12:27:09 PM
People need to stop reading the opinions of fans from the club a player is leaving or left. Fans notoriously turn on players once they have a foot out the door. Look at us...

So take what Liverpool fans say with a pinch of salt.
Liverpool fans really praise Lucas for his personality. It is quite overwhelming.
It is just that his footballing ability deemed not good enough anymore.
They know better than us about Lucas.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 17, 2017, 12:32:23 PM
The difference between Biava and Bisevac was far more than fitness and health! Bisevac wasn't good enough to be on the same pitch as Biava!

I don't agree, Ed. Bisevac was one of the best defenders in Ligue 1 for a few years but arrived at Lazio coming off a serious knee injury and was a shadow of the player he once was while Biava was an also-ran in Serie A who only got noticed when he got to wear the Lazio shirt, which was a move that was born out of pure desperation. If Bisevac had have been able to put in his best displays in his mid-30s as Biava was able to, it would've been a different story.

For me, the same people who write off Lucas are the same people who would've wrote off Biava, Bisevac, Klose, Cruz and any player in their 30s... Brocchi, Bresciano, Dias, Saha etc. Sometimes they are going to get it right, but sometimes those players keep healthy and show their best form.

Like I said, I feel that's what it's going to come down to with Leiva - it's 5.5 million down the drain if he's past his best, it's an astounding signing if Leiva gets back to his best in our shirt.

They know better than us about Lucas.

Bias leads to poor judgement - it's likely that Liverpool fans are the worst people to listen to about Lucas Leiva, the same way we're not the experts on Lucas Biglia.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: dinhochester on July 17, 2017, 12:42:24 PM
With injury, there is no such a thing as "get back to his best".
It is just a fantasy hope to be honest.

Why dont he "get back to his best" at Liverpool?

Despite epl is different to serie a, it is still the same football game.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Rizmo on July 17, 2017, 12:44:26 PM
Public apology to rizmo for calling him a prick :)



Bro  :wuzz: Let's hug it out!

I don't think anyone is a lesser fan in here in any way, we all express our fanship differently. It's just frustrating sometimes when criticism is thrown around here before something even happened.  :twinkle:

It seems very strange, almost absurd, to be talking about Lucas as a signing to raise our profile but if that is something he can do then all well and good. I really hope he can meet everyone's positive expectations!

Ffs, if we are signing players solely on their international recognition and to raise our profile then there is only one player to sign! Bring him back Tare!  :winner:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 17, 2017, 01:10:15 PM
With injury, there is no such a thing as "get back to his best".
It is just a fantasy hope to be honest.

Why dont he "get back to his best" at Liverpool?

It's unlikely that a player is going to be at his healthiest in their 30s as they come closer to the end of their career, but it's not impossible. Di Natale, for example, had serious knee problems his whole career but managed to stay healthy and find his best form in his mid-30s.

Lucas Leiva has had knee problems which plagued him for years, but in the last three seasons, he's been fairly healthy. There's nothing to suggest he can't do what Di Natale did. It's optimistic, but it's not "fantasy". Lazio wouldn't be signing him if they felt he couldn't get him back to his best form.

It comes across as if you are either forming an opinion on Leiva based on the most subjective opinions or you are using subjective opinions as the proof to back up your own initial opinion on the signing, but there's facts out there for Leiva and in my opinion, if you want to know more about Leiva, go with the facts rather than the opinions.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Caput Mundi on July 17, 2017, 01:32:36 PM
Does anyone else see the Lucas Leiva signing similar to our signing of Brocchi nine years ago (yes it's been that long!).
Brocchi maybe had more impact on the attacking phase of play, and was more in your face, but I think their approach to the game and their respective professionalism is similar.

Leiva could end up walking away from this club in a few years' time as a very respected player.

He's also used to playing at a much faster tempo and against more physical opposition than most Serie A midfielders so he'll bring something important to the team.

I like this signing a lot.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 17, 2017, 01:38:09 PM
Does anyone else see the Lucas Leiva signing similar to our signing of Brocchi nine years ago (yes it's been that long!).

To an extent, yes, because Leiva is someone who people will see as a fighter because he has a fantastic attitude and will put his body on the line.

I don't think they are particularly similar players or even similar people, but I can see Leiva gaining the same kind of respect Brocchi did as long as he holds up physically.

Basically, they are both very ugly on the eye but effective in what they do and those players tend to be seen in a certain light.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 17, 2017, 01:56:36 PM
Lulic said something about Leiva that I really liked. Lulic acknowledged that the team has so many youngsters that they need players like Leiva..leaders

Biglia never struck me as the kind of leader who helps youngsters outside the pitch, not like Mauri for example. Where as with Leiva it's the complete opposite.

Based on Liverpool fans reactions and comments I'd say he was their Mauri..humble, charismatic and well liked. Having someone like him will help a lot I suspect..

I've gone from meh to being excited about Leiva..
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: phantomm1976 on July 17, 2017, 02:19:34 PM
 Whats behind Keita story ?
 I just hope that if dont stay-he will go outside of Italy.
 Pasalic ? the price is acceptable for young player(good CV/Chelsea-Milan), but do you see him as the starting eleven player ?-Me, no.
 So, do those 8 m are smart invest or not ?
 
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 17, 2017, 02:28:50 PM
Whats behind Keita story ?

Well, if Keita went to sign for Inter last night, Wallace and Bastos are about to leave Simone for Pippo and sign for Venezia while de Vrij is off the Chievo or Hellas.

Joke aside, I don't think there is any story.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Rizmo on July 17, 2017, 03:18:03 PM
Germoni on loan to Parma with an option to buy. Lazio with a buy back clause.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: lazioserbia on July 17, 2017, 03:27:27 PM
Leiva is the guy I never liked, no particular reason, I just thought he isn't a good player. But of course I am willing and even more eager to see what he brings to Lazio. There are so many players who weren't at their best while playing in the Premier League and then, after going to another league, showed another side to their game. And I think Serie A is going to fit him much better than Premier League.

And that date of birth  :razz:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: valdanito on July 17, 2017, 03:29:17 PM
Whats behind Keita story ?

Well, if Keita went to sign for Inter last night, Wallace and Bastos are about to leave Simone for Pippo and sign for Venezia while de Vrij is off the Chievo or Hellas.

Joke aside, I don't think there is any story.

Fair argument. But why didnt he play?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 17, 2017, 03:44:38 PM
Fair argument. But why didnt he play?

Well, it's possible that he has a slight injury problem and therefore was spared from the match and allowed to leave camp early to go visit his girlfriend. The knee injury he was apparently faking last summer is apparently still something that needs to be managed a year later, despite the fact it never existed in the first place. So there's an alternative explanation.

But of course, it's possible that he is negotiating with any team in world football as any team would do such negotiations in Milan. So if Keita's in Milan, there's going to be a story. It's that he's on the verge of signing for Inter for a fee of 20 million that I simply do not believe. If true, I'm sure we'd have heard more by 4pm this afternoon.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 17, 2017, 05:19:24 PM
Fair argument. But why didnt he play?

Well, it's possible that he has a slight injury problem and therefore was spared from the match and allowed to leave camp early to go visit his girlfriend. The knee injury he was apparently faking last summer is apparently still something that needs to be managed a year later, despite the fact it never existed in the first place. So there's an alternative explanation.

But of course, it's possible that he is negotiating with any team in world football as any team would do such negotiations in Milan. So if Keita's in Milan, there's going to be a story. It's that he's on the verge of signing for Inter for a fee of 20 million that I simply do not believe. If true, I'm sure we'd have heard more by 4pm this afternoon.

Well, it was going trough my mind constantly during rest between nightshifts but since this is now the first post i read its quit a relief.  :twinkle:

Of course i didn't believe the numbers involved, but the rest of the facts did have me worry.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 17, 2017, 05:24:33 PM
What I will say is that Keita not participating in yesterday's friendly cannot be explained as him getting leave to see his girlfriend. That just makes no sense.

But there are some other explanations. It's even possible he went to Milan to negotiate his renewal since Lotito is said to be in the area. I'm choosing to think positively over believing journalists who have proven to know absolutely nothing this summer.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 17, 2017, 05:59:46 PM
What I will say is that Keita not participating in yesterday's friendly cannot be explained as him getting leave to see his girlfriend. That just makes no sense.

But there are some other explanations. It's even possible he went to Milan to negotiate his renewal since Lotito is said to be in the area. I'm choosing to think positively over believing journalists who have proven to know absolutely nothing this summer.

And rightly so, i'll go that same saw.  :beer:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 17, 2017, 07:24:23 PM
According LLSN Di Gennaro will arrive as soon is Cataldi is off to Benevento.
He would get a 3y deal for 1mill per season and the player is said to be extremely eager to join.

Curious how they would know these kind of detail concerning the contract but since this rumour has been sticking for more then a week now he's defenitly in the picture i would guess.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Sile on July 17, 2017, 07:30:48 PM
So, 16 days from the start of the mercato and we sold Biglia and Cataldi, sent off kiddies on loan, and bought Marusic, Leiva, and are looking at Di Gennaro and Radunovic.

(https://pics.me.me/unimpressed-squirrel-is-not-impressed-22160163.png)
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Skenderbeu on July 17, 2017, 07:35:45 PM
Hahaha the squirrel look amazing :bravo:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 17, 2017, 07:40:11 PM
Can Di Gennaro do anything for us? I mean is he even good enough to be a regular?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Sile on July 17, 2017, 07:45:34 PM
Can Di Gennaro do anything for us? I mean is he even good enough to be a regular?

He could be if the FIGC changes to rules to allow fielding 25 players
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 17, 2017, 08:12:12 PM
If Instagram is anything to go by, looks like Keita is with agent today, so media speculation in 3, 2, 1...

But like I said, Lotito was in Milan today so we'll have to see how it plays out.

He could be if the FIGC changes to rules to allow fielding 25 players

As much as I can appreciate your humour, hope you're a bit kinder if and when he signs.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 17, 2017, 08:20:02 PM
Can Di Gennaro do anything for us? I mean is he even good enough to be a regular?

He could be if the FIGC changes to rules to allow fielding 25 players

Since he's Italian and homegrown in Serie A it might have something to do with some other rules needing to be met.   :twinkle:

I'm not an expert in the whole roster assembly nowadays but with Cataldi and probably Marchetti leaving Lazio migh be obligated to go this way.

Can Di Gennaro do anything for us? I mean is he even good enough to be a regular?

Walk into the starting 11, of course not.  But having him on the bench ready is really not a bad thing.  He's experienced and dependable enough to expect  him to do what needs to be done.  I think it's a good option, in crucial situations and if necessary he should be a player who won't panic.  With the busy season coming up we might endup in certain situations needing to play Murgia and Alberto on midfield, then we'll be glad to have someone like him to bring some more 'adultness' into the midfield.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: lazioserbia on July 17, 2017, 08:24:14 PM
What's happening with De Vrij?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: hamid on July 17, 2017, 08:26:31 PM
Apparently Keita liked a "welcome to Inter" comment on Instagram.

(http://uupload.ir/files/ht4q_photo_۲۰۱۷-۰۷-۱۷_۲۰-۳۵-۳۶.jpg)

So this is going to be our attacking formation next season, wonderful!

Anderson -------------- Lombardi / Djorjevic

---------------Immobile-------------------
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 17, 2017, 08:35:50 PM
If so Hamid, why would you think that no new attacker(s) would arrive and that Djordjevic will stay?

 :rolley:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: hamid on July 17, 2017, 08:43:54 PM
If so Hamid, why would you think that no new attacker(s) would arrive and that Djordjevic will stay?

 :rolley:

That was just a wild guess, no judgement there!  :supsmile:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Stefano6 on July 17, 2017, 09:09:29 PM
If so Hamid, why would you think that no new attacker(s) would arrive and that Djordjevic will stay?

 :rolley:

Just complaining for the sake of complaining  :twinkle:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 17, 2017, 09:30:05 PM
Lotito squeezed 20 million for 31 year old midfielder with one year before free agency.

You really think that he will satisfy with 22 million from Inda for one like Keita, who is in similar situation? Italian journalist are "cheap" (and hate Lotito), so they will go with this "cheap" story.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 17, 2017, 10:26:58 PM
Keita is back at Auronzo for training tomorrow.
Upon arrival he almost couldn't find his way in due to the uncountable number of pressmembers surrounding him.


 :roll_eyes:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 17, 2017, 10:57:57 PM
Genoa paying 13 mill euro for lapadula, I'm glad we're not overspending on him. Feels weird though seeing clubs like genoa and Atalanta suddenly having more money to spend than us, when did that happen last? :D
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Rizmo on July 17, 2017, 11:10:12 PM
Genoa paying 13 mill euro for lapadula, I'm glad we're not overspending on him. Feels weird though seeing clubs like genoa and Atalanta suddenly having more money to spend than us, when did that happen last? :D

Genoa loaning Lapadula for €2m. I doubt they will make it permanent for €11m.

Kishna also rumoured to join Cataldi to Benevento.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Silindeee on July 17, 2017, 11:53:10 PM
Genoa paying 13 mill euro for lapadula, I'm glad we're not overspending on him. Feels weird though seeing clubs like genoa and Atalanta suddenly having more money to spend than us, when did that happen last? :D

Genoa loaning Lapadula for €2m. I doubt they will make it permanent for €11m.

Kishna also rumoured to join Cataldi to Benevento.
From ajax to lazio an then benevento? Wow really a talent not so talent after all?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Giolazio on July 17, 2017, 11:55:38 PM
Genoa paying 13 mill euro for lapadula, I'm glad we're not overspending on him. Feels weird though seeing clubs like genoa and Atalanta suddenly having more money to spend than us, when did that happen last? :D

How do they have more money to spend than us? Just because we bought Leiva for 5.5mil? Would you rather we over spend on him just to show we have more money? There will be other signings...be patient.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Rizmo on July 17, 2017, 11:55:55 PM
Genoa paying 13 mill euro for lapadula, I'm glad we're not overspending on him. Feels weird though seeing clubs like genoa and Atalanta suddenly having more money to spend than us, when did that happen last? :D

Genoa loaning Lapadula for €2m. I doubt they will make it permanent for €11m.

Kishna also rumoured to join Cataldi to Benevento.
From ajax to lazio an then benevento? Wow really a talent not so talent after all?

Not to forget a successful spell warming the Lille bench.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Rizmo on July 17, 2017, 11:58:47 PM
...be patient.

What does that mean? Tried to Google it but no luck. Please tell me the meaning. Now. Please as soon as you can! NOW ffs!! Gio vattene :fingerup:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Giolazio on July 18, 2017, 12:10:51 AM
...be patient.

What does that mean? Tried to Google it but no luck. Please tell me the meaning. Now. Please as soon as you can! NOW ffs!! Gio vattene :fingerup:

Haha, it's pretty much the sentiment in here most of the time though!
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Silindeee on July 18, 2017, 12:52:47 AM
Has Cataldi officialy left ?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 18, 2017, 01:10:27 AM
Has Cataldi officialy left ?

Nope.

Official list so far of departures:

- Biglia
- Berisha
- Elez
- Germoni (on loan)
- Ronaldo


Still a lot of work to do, players who are expected to be sold or loaned out:

Djorjdevic, Kishna, Marchetti, Cataldi, Guerrieri, Mauricio, Minala, Oikonomidis, Morrison, Perea

And who might also be sold or loaned out:

Abukar, Crecco, Oikonomidis, Palombi, Tounkara, Perea, Rossi, Vargic



Poor Tare, long summer for him....  :twinkle:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: torsten on July 18, 2017, 02:39:20 AM
Has Cataldi officialy left ?

Nope.

Official list so far of departures:

- Biglia
- Berisha
- Elez
- Germoni (on loan)
- Ronaldo


Still a lot of work to do, players who are expected to be sold or loaned out:

Djorjdevic, Kishna, Marchetti, Cataldi, Guerrieri, Mauricio, Minala, Oikonomidis, Morrison, Perea

And who might also be sold or loaned out:

Abukar, Crecco, Oikonomidis, Palombi, Tounkara, Perea, Rossi, Vargic



Poor Tare, long summer for him....  :twinkle:

Hope we find room for Guerrieri, or has he lost all the potential everybody was talking about a couple of years ago?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: randy_laziale on July 18, 2017, 05:20:32 AM
http://gianlucadimarzio.com/it/calciomercato-lazio-proposto-martin-caceres (http://gianlucadimarzio.com/it/calciomercato-lazio-proposto-martin-caceres)

Di Marzio said Caceres being offered to Lazio  :what: :what:

Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: dinhochester on July 18, 2017, 06:16:17 AM
Guys, what is Di Gennaro position?
How is his style of play? Similar to who?
I wish we can sign more young players.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 18, 2017, 09:02:47 AM
Drugs started working early this morning on Corriere editor: Azmoun just signed 5 years contract worth 3 million net per year. Lazio intend to match that.

Weed is good this morning.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Dakiller961 on July 18, 2017, 09:15:04 AM
Did we sell this super primavera talent to Juve. everyone was talking about this guy whom I forget the name, but suddenly I don't have any information if he left to Juve or not
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Giolazio on July 18, 2017, 09:47:56 AM
Did we sell this super primavera talent to Juve. everyone was talking about this guy whom I forget the name, but suddenly I don't have any information if he left to Juve or not

Portanova. No news on it yet. It's not a high profile transfer so it's not going to be headline news. Hopefully it was BS to begin with.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 18, 2017, 09:54:59 AM
I noticed it was updated on transfermarkt where it says he's a juve player now. But maybe not the best source
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 18, 2017, 09:58:05 AM
It should be listed on Lega Serie A website if it's official and it's not.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: gibson_lp2 on July 18, 2017, 10:26:03 AM
Still rumours about keita to inter...
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Amir on July 18, 2017, 10:29:55 AM
This is turning into a painful mercato.

Biglia, Keita, Cataldi and possibly others. Players I really liked playing for Lazio; players I enjoyed watching for various reasons.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Hadi Van Der Vaart on July 18, 2017, 11:13:04 AM
This is turning into a painful mercato.

Biglia, Keita, Cataldi and possibly others. Players I really liked playing for Lazio; players I enjoyed watching for various reasons.

Only biglia left so far n just because of your favorite players leave the team, it doesnt mean the world end for Lazio.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Giolazio on July 18, 2017, 11:14:27 AM
This is turning into a painful mercato.

Biglia, Keita, Cataldi and possibly others. Players I really liked playing for Lazio; players I enjoyed watching for various reasons.

Unfortunately they were two players that didn't really want to be here and one that didn't put in the effort.

Certainly the latter two were players I'd hope would have a big part in our future. I'm still slightly bemused by Cataldi as I think he can do a job this season.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 18, 2017, 11:22:45 AM
We've kept the nucleus of this squad together for 3-4 years and achieved nothing of note - no trophies, no Champions League participation, no consistency in the league etc.

For that reason, I'm not really concerned about what happens in this market. Losing Keita would be something of a blow because we've invested in him and I think, not only did he show his potential last season, but he also put his name in the history books with his performances in big games.

But most of these players will be forgotten in time and won't be remembered because they've fallen short when it mattered. And if we move these players on to build something with Inzaghi - even if it leads to struggles in the short-term - I'm cool with it.

Lucas Leiva isn't a player I'm hugely enthusiastic about because I think he's more likely to fail than succeed, but I'm happy to have someone like him at our club, someone I think could become iconic if things fall into place. I'm happy to have a player like Marusic who seems to tick a lot of the right boxes for me.

I can't help but feel that we might be on our way to building a team we can identify with, or at least a team that is identifiably Lazio. And for me, that's more important than where we finish in the standings.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: flurffmeister on July 18, 2017, 12:27:21 PM
We've kept the nucleus of this squad together for 3-4 years and achieved nothing of note - no trophies, no Champions League participation, no consistency in the league etc.

For that reason, I'm not really concerned about what happens in this market. Losing Keita would be something of a blow because we've invested in him and I think, not only did he show his potential last season, but he also put his name in the history books with his performances in big games.

But most of these players will be forgotten in time and won't be remembered because they've fallen short when it mattered. And if we move these players on to build something with Inzaghi - even if it leads to struggles in the short-term - I'm cool with it.

Lucas Leiva isn't a player I'm hugely enthusiastic about because I think he's more likely to fail than succeed, but I'm happy to have someone like him at our club, someone I think could become iconic if things fall into place. I'm happy to have a player like Marusic who seems to tick a lot of the right boxes for me.

I can't help but feel that we might be on our way to building a team we can identify with, or at least a team that is identifiably Lazio. And for me, that's more important than where we finish in the standings.

I agree with every word , but how many times did we repeat "we are building a team for the future" and ended up selling our future prospect , anyway i dont see any potential in our current team at least not to compete with the top 4 , if we are only ambitious to achieve europa league every season then i must say we are miserable team.
I am 100% certain that Lotito really pushed for the sale of Biglia and now Keita because we already know that without their sales he will not buy any player to reinforce  the squad and now we deeply need a vice immobile vice Biglia and vice vice biglia , and a right back.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Giolazio on July 18, 2017, 12:51:11 PM
I agree with every word , but how many times did we repeat "we are building a team for the future" and ended up selling our future prospect , anyway i dont see any potential in our current team at least not to compete with the top 4 , if we are only ambitious to achieve europa league every season then i must say we are miserable team.

On the contrary, if we can make EL year after year then we will become a much stronger team. It's the lack of that consistency that keeps us where we are.

Getting the EL as a minimum every season would be huge for us and if we can keep that kind of consistency we can be there to take advantage of a bigger team having a poor season and make the CL.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Sile on July 18, 2017, 12:51:56 PM
I just went and re-read the last-years topic with the poll predicting our position in the 2016-2017 campaign.
It's an interesting read with many viewpoints being in direct contrast with what is being said right now.

For me the situation is clear. Compared to last year, at this time we're weakened. Our "nucleus" is one year older, we've sold our captain and we're contemplating selling Keita.
Time for a quality signing
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Giolazio on July 18, 2017, 12:54:16 PM
I just went and re-read the last-years topic with the poll predicting our position in the 2016-2017 campaign.
It's an interesting read with many viewpoints being in direct contrast with what is being said right now.

For me the situation is clear. Compared to last year, at this time we're weakened. Our "nucleus" is one year older, we've sold our captain and we're contemplating selling Keita.
Time for a quality signing

That's surprising to read and I haven't checked it myself, but I remember most people saying we would be lucky to finish in the top half of the league after we took Inzaghi after Bielsa.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: flurffmeister on July 18, 2017, 12:55:18 PM
I agree with every word , but how many times did we repeat "we are building a team for the future" and ended up selling our future prospect , anyway i dont see any potential in our current team at least not to compete with the top 4 , if we are only ambitious to achieve europa league every season then i must say we are miserable team.

On the contrary, if we can make EL year after year then we will become a much stronger team. It's the lack of that consistency that keeps us where we are.

Getting the EL as a minimum every season would be huge for us and if we can keep that kind of consistency we can be there to take advantage of a bigger team having a poor season and make the CL.

How exactly reaching EL every season would be huge? are you aware that the winner  could receive, at best, €15 million ? while semi finalist will receive 4 million (which is group stage 1 match winning bonus for CL)
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: blue-white on July 18, 2017, 12:58:17 PM
this season we will play EL, so it will be more difficult to get the same position in the table of Serie A now. Last season was easier for the team.

Fact us, we need more quality on the bench. Because of that i have no problem if we sign players who are not directly first 11 players, but are able to fight for their place there.

We don't need a star player - a big signing. We need players who can jump in and deliver.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 18, 2017, 01:03:34 PM
are you aware that the winner  could receive, at best, €15 million ?

That's not accurate. Lazio has been getting 20-25 million from UEFA for participation in Europa League. Lazio's revenue would increase by a good 15-25% if we could make Europa League every season, and that kind of increase would give us the money to buy a star player every transfer window.

Of course Champions League brings a lot more money, but when 5 clubs in this league are infinitely richer than Lazio and there are many others on a similar level financially in this day and age, setting Top 4 as a target is crazy.

Yet the club have set Top 4 as a target, and still people here say they are not ambitious enough.

I just went and re-read the last-years topic with the poll predicting our position in the 2016-2017 campaign.
It's an interesting read with many viewpoints being in direct contrast with what is being said right now.

What's interesting about it is that so many people felt we'd struggle to make Europe but a year later they are demanding this team aim for a Champions League spot.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: flurffmeister on July 18, 2017, 01:06:29 PM
are you aware that the winner  could receive, at best, €15 million ?


That's not accurate. Lazio has been getting 20-25 million from UEFA for participation in Europa League. Lazio's revenue would increase by a good 15-25% if we could make Europa League every season, and that kind of increase would give us the money to buy a star player every transfer window.


Of course Champions League brings a lot more money, but when 5 clubs in this league are infinitely richer than Lazio and there are many others on a similar level financially in this day and age, setting Top 4 as a target is crazy.

Yet the club have set Top 4 as a target, and still people here say they are not ambitious enough.

I just went and re-read the last-years topic with the poll predicting our position in the 2016-2017 campaign.
It's an interesting read with many viewpoints being in direct contrast with what is being said right now.


What's interesting about it is that so many people felt we'd struggle to make Europe but a year later they are demanding this team aim for a Champions League spot.


http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/news/newsid=2398584.html (http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/news/newsid=2398584.html)

Wait what? You can always set the goal of winning Serie a but on paper u will end up dwelling somewhere in mid table! what ambition are you talking about? what do you know about Marousic? or is Leiva a fine replacement for Biglia? because u just said he will probably flop.
When you wanna challenge top 4 you have to reinforce the squad not lose your best players to your direct competitors.
We are not even better than the 5th place of last year so how exactly did you suggest we are going to challenge for CL place?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Giolazio on July 18, 2017, 01:08:35 PM
are you aware that the winner  could receive, at best, €15 million ?


That's not accurate. Lazio has been getting 20-25 million from UEFA for participation in Europa League. Lazio's revenue would increase by a good 15-25% if we could make Europa League every season, and that kind of increase would give us the money to buy a star player every transfer window.


Of course Champions League brings a lot more money, but when 5 clubs in this league are infinitely richer than Lazio and there are many others on a similar level financially in this day and age, setting Top 4 as a target is crazy.

Yet the club have set Top 4 as a target, and still people here say they are not ambitious enough.

I just went and re-read the last-years topic with the poll predicting our position in the 2016-2017 campaign.
It's an interesting read with many viewpoints being in direct contrast with what is being said right now.


What's interesting about it is that so many people felt we'd struggle to make Europe but a year later they are demanding this team aim for a Champions League spot.


[url]http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/news/newsid=2398584.html[/url] ([url]http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/news/newsid=2398584.html[/url])


I invite you to read our accounts. Then you will see why it is huge for a club like us.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: flurffmeister on July 18, 2017, 01:12:34 PM
are you aware that the winner  could receive, at best, €15 million ?


That's not accurate. Lazio has been getting 20-25 million from UEFA for participation in Europa League. Lazio's revenue would increase by a good 15-25% if we could make Europa League every season, and that kind of increase would give us the money to buy a star player every transfer window.


Of course Champions League brings a lot more money, but when 5 clubs in this league are infinitely richer than Lazio and there are many others on a similar level financially in this day and age, setting Top 4 as a target is crazy.

Yet the club have set Top 4 as a target, and still people here say they are not ambitious enough.

I just went and re-read the last-years topic with the poll predicting our position in the 2016-2017 campaign.
It's an interesting read with many viewpoints being in direct contrast with what is being said right now.


What's interesting about it is that so many people felt we'd struggle to make Europe but a year later they are demanding this team aim for a Champions League spot.


[url]http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/news/newsid=2398584.html[/url] ([url]http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/news/newsid=2398584.html[/url])


I invite you to read our accounts. Then you will see why it is huge for a club like us.


Please enlighten me how 4 million is huge for us , the 4 million we are paying for the salaries of dead woods.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Sile on July 18, 2017, 01:14:46 PM
are you aware that the winner  could receive, at best, €15 million ?

That's not accurate. Lazio has been getting 20-25 million from UEFA for participation in Europa League. Lazio's revenue would increase by a good 15-25% if we could make Europa League every season, and that kind of increase would give us the money to buy a star player every transfer window.

Of course Champions League brings a lot more money, but when 5 clubs in this league are infinitely richer than Lazio and there are many others on a similar level financially in this day and age, setting Top 4 as a target is crazy.

Yet the club have set Top 4 as a target, and still people here say they are not ambitious enough.

I just went and re-read the last-years topic with the poll predicting our position in the 2016-2017 campaign.
It's an interesting read with many viewpoints being in direct contrast with what is being said right now.

What's interesting about it is that so many people felt we'd struggle to make Europe but a year later they are demanding this team aim for a Champions League spot.
Actually no, most people correctly predicted our position between 4th and 7th place.
Since our direct competition got a lot stronger and we've been weakened as it stands I wonder what that poll would look like right now.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: blue-white on July 18, 2017, 01:18:14 PM
What's interesting about it is that so many people felt we'd struggle to make Europe but a year later they are demanding this team aim for a Champions League spot.

OH...SO THIS THIS THIS THIS!!!!


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We are not even better than the 5th place of last year so how exactly did you suggest we are going to challenge for CL place?

wait.....
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Yet the club have set Top 4 as a target, and still people here say they are not ambitious enough.

Cathal is writing about what the club is targeting - clear - they have to target 4th place, but in their mind they know that the real target is playing international football....and that means at least EL!

Cathal and many others (me too :vcool:) think/believe that EL is our target of reality!
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 18, 2017, 01:21:31 PM
flurff, I think you've misunderstood how Europa League money is earned and distributed - the link you've posted disproves your argument.

I think you are only taking into account prize money which would come to about 15 million maximum according to UEFA. Then there is market pool money which would be about the same again. Then there's ticket sales, merch etc. which are specific to Europa League. Then there's bonuses we receive from our sponsors etc.

This has been coming to a total of 20-25 million for Lazio. If we went further in the competition and other Italian clubs struggled, it would be more.

Actually no, most people correctly predicted our position between 4th and 7th place.

Actually, 60% - "most people" - incorrectly predicted we'd finish below where we finished while 31% guessed correctly. I was one of the 60% that was wrong, and I'll admit that instead of fiddling with the numbers.

60% of people thought we wouldn't make Europe - simples.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Giolazio on July 18, 2017, 01:24:34 PM
are you aware that the winner  could receive, at best, €15 million ?


That's not accurate. Lazio has been getting 20-25 million from UEFA for participation in Europa League. Lazio's revenue would increase by a good 15-25% if we could make Europa League every season, and that kind of increase would give us the money to buy a star player every transfer window.


Of course Champions League brings a lot more money, but when 5 clubs in this league are infinitely richer than Lazio and there are many others on a similar level financially in this day and age, setting Top 4 as a target is crazy.

Yet the club have set Top 4 as a target, and still people here say they are not ambitious enough.

I just went and re-read the last-years topic with the poll predicting our position in the 2016-2017 campaign.
It's an interesting read with many viewpoints being in direct contrast with what is being said right now.


What's interesting about it is that so many people felt we'd struggle to make Europe but a year later they are demanding this team aim for a Champions League spot.


[url]http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/news/newsid=2398584.html[/url] ([url]http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/news/newsid=2398584.html[/url])


I invite you to read our accounts. Then you will see why it is huge for a club like us.


Please enlighten me how 4 million is huge for us , the 4 million we are paying for the salaries of dead woods.


I said read the accounts and you respond with this? Please read the accounts.  :supsmile:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Sile on July 18, 2017, 01:25:09 PM
@Cathal - No, 60% people though we'd make Europe one way or the other.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: lazioserbia on July 18, 2017, 01:30:48 PM
Can you guys post a link to that topic?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Sile on July 18, 2017, 01:36:46 PM
http://forum.lazioland.com/index.php/topic,2846.0.html (http://forum.lazioland.com/index.php/topic,2846.0.html)
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 18, 2017, 01:38:57 PM
@Cathal - No, 60% people though we'd make Europe one way or the other.

60% of people said we'd finish 6th or lower, which meant no automatic qualification for Europe.

4th-7th wasn't an option on the poll; sure you could say most people felt we'd finish 4th to 7th but you're setting your own parameters now and ignoring the options on the poll at the time. I didn't vote with your parameters in mind and I was wrong, but your parameters make me and a lot of other people correct.

But I was wrong. It's like setting up a poll on people's favourite brand of cigarettes and then afterwards saying '100% of people on the forum smoke'. Why use the results to change the meaning of the poll? There's a big difference in 4th and 7th which I assume is why the options were made more specific.

You can interpret it many ways but there's no getting away from the fact that last season surpassed what many people had expected from Lazio. And it would be interesting to have a similar poll when someone deems suitable - I would say wait a few weeks, but maybe someone jumps my gun.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 18, 2017, 01:46:42 PM
I was going to put one up again once the season starts
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Sile on July 18, 2017, 01:55:22 PM
When you get raw statistical data you need to interpret it. My interpretation is that people we're confident of us reaching Europe one way or another and only 31.1% voted that we have no chance of reaching EL through our table position.
That's looking at the table only, nevermind coppa, because we could reach EL next year by winning Coppa or even CL next year by winning EL and that would render the poll results useless - I don't think that anyone would vote CL with a straight face this year.

You yourself said last year that the team going into the season was the worst one since 09-10.
Fair enough, on paper there wasn't much to be excited about. But look at it from my perspective, now we're even weaker on paper.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Giolazio on July 18, 2017, 02:03:34 PM
When you get raw statistical data you need to interpret it. My interpretation is that people we're confident of us reaching Europe one way or another and only 31.1% voted that we have no chance of reaching EL through our table position.
That's looking at the table only, nevermind coppa, because we could reach EL next year by winning Coppa or even CL next year by winning EL and that would render the poll results useless - I don't think that anyone would vote CL with a straight face this year.

You yourself said last year that the team going into the season was the worst one since 09-10.
Fair enough, on paper there wasn't much to be excited about. But look at it from my perspective, now we're even weaker on paper.

Just out of curiosity because I don't have time to read the topic, but are you basing the mood on the results of the poll mainly or the comments too? I'm just really surprised because the forum wasn't a beacon of optimism last summer.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Sile on July 18, 2017, 02:05:03 PM
Just the poll numbers, ain't nobody got time for reading the forum

but I just took one of Cathal's posts as example since I'm still unsure on his stance on the current mercato and the outlook for 17/18 as of this moment
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 18, 2017, 02:06:36 PM
Don't get me wrong, I understand your perspective on the team, Sile. My point merely was that I don't consider what you did with the poll a valid interpretation of the data because you changed some of the data. But the poll was imperfect to begin with because it was a vote on one competition when Lazio didn't play only one competition so it's to be taken with a pinch of salt anyway in my opinion.

I just feel expectations are becoming more and more out of whack in general and I honestly think the club are realistic. They realise there's an opportunity to finish in the Top 4 and they realise that they need to keep the squad together and let it grow which is why we're playing hardball with wantaway players. And they also realise that the only chance we have of making Champions League next season is if 1927, Milan, Inter etc. screw up. And they are aware there's a real chance of that, but that there's also a real chance they finish way ahead of us as we try to cope with the additional demands Europe brings.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: blue_sky on July 18, 2017, 02:08:55 PM
2 of potentially transfer problems will go to Inter-Keita- and Biglia is done deal. Hope our locker room being peace and unity. That's for me what called progress.
Now, Tare, hoping he is done to find player like FA, SMS, Parolo.

In a minute we'll hear rumors for second striker or a winger. I wonder Tare will look his old target which are ??
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: stefano_40 on July 18, 2017, 02:11:35 PM
I agree with every word , but how many times did we repeat "we are building a team for the future" and ended up selling our future prospect , anyway i dont see any potential in our current team at least not to compete with the top 4 , if we are only ambitious to achieve europa league every season then i must say we are miserable team.

On the contrary, if we can make EL year after year then we will become a much stronger team. It's the lack of that consistency that keeps us where we are.

Getting the EL as a minimum every season would be huge for us and if we can keep that kind of consistency we can be there to take advantage of a bigger team having a poor season and make the CL.

How exactly reaching EL every season would be huge? are you aware that the winner  could receive, at best, €15 million ? while semi finalist will receive 4 million (which is group stage 1 match winning bonus for CL)

Apart from the money, it is easier to draw players towards a club too when they're consistently playing in Europe. All players want to play in European competition.

 

Fair enough, on paper there wasn't much to be excited about. But look at it from my perspective, now we're even weaker on paper.


As it stands now, I'm actually much happier with this season's roster than last years. Last year, Ciro was not guaranteed to be a big goal scorer, and Keita was still waiting for a breakout, while Lukaku and Bastos and Wallace and Sergej and even more players, and even Inzaghi for that matter, were all unproven. Now we know the abilities of these players, that we can depend on them, and that we know that Inzaghi is actually a pretty solid coach.

Merda have weakened, Inter have done nothing, Milan have "strengthened", but is adding 7-8 new players into your starting lineup really going to be positive? I don't see how we're worse off right now than we were last year?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 18, 2017, 02:20:37 PM
This is perhaps a bit off-topic, but I think the story of this season could be that the proverbial hits the fan in a different Roman club to the one the media and fans expect.

Regarding Keita, mikitsi makes a good point in the Keita thread which I think is worth noting. It might be worth risking Keita and de Vrij to walk free next season in the hope those two players lead us into the Top 4. The money gained from being in the Top 4 compensates for the loss of those two, and there's a chance they might renew with Champions League football on the horizon.

I know there's a lot of speculation about Keita and Inter, but I think the money will have to be astronomical or else I see Lazio taking a punt. I think that's why both he and de Vrij went to Auronzo and Biglia was told to stay put in Rome.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: blue-white on July 18, 2017, 03:07:03 PM
Regarding Keita, mikitsi makes a good point in the Keita thread which I think is worth noting. It might be worth risking Keita and de Vrij to walk free next season in the hope those two players lead us into the Top 4. The money gained from being in the Top 4 compensates for the loss of those two, and there's a chance they might renew with Champions League football on the horizon.


This is a very good input, and i already thought about it some hours ago when i read it.
For sure it's a risk - i would say we would get minimum 40 mill for both together. If we let them stay and play, we might get into the top 4, but if not .... we will lose them for free.

The second point is - we have Serie A and EL to play. Which one should be our main target? Both....we will not have the squad for that.
Until winter we will know who is still playing EL of other clubs, who is out from CL and will play in EL. Then we should know where we are concentrating.

I don't know - mikitsi's point was a good one, but are giving players really their best on the pitch, when their heads are already in another club???
How will this work in the locker room?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: valdanito on July 18, 2017, 03:39:43 PM
I just hope the market does not affect the future of Inzaghi.
I would like a cosach that sticks around for a while, and I am really fond of Mr Inzaghi.


Hope Lotito gives him a good squad to work with and wont use him as a scapegoat come christmas.

Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: lazioserbia on July 18, 2017, 03:51:44 PM
Thanks for the link  :beer:

Interesting posts in that topic. Majority of the forum was right when predicting the season Keita will have, but what surprised me is that no one relied on Immobile to have such a great season. Members were talking about how Djordjevic isn't good enough, how Kishna is still in the unknown and how Bastos could be the next big thing in our defense, but none of these things had any influence on our games. Immobile had a great season, Djordjevic didn't play much and Kishna was loaned...it's interesting that we were more willing to speak about our weaknesses than strengths.

Would be also interesting to see how people feel about the season that is ahead ahead of us and also which players will be influential, if not the difference makers, in the next season.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 18, 2017, 03:57:03 PM
I'm probably one of the few that was unhappier with Djordjevic 12 months ago than I am now, but it's purely because I don't think any more or less of Djordjevic now, but I think from a financial standpoint, it makes less sense to invest in a back-up striker now than it did last season. Djordjevic is worth less, Palombi is breaking through etc.

Also, if I was to make predictions on next season, one of my predictions would be that Immobile disappoints. Because he has never backed up a good season with another good season and as it stands, he's going to end up playing 60+ games over the next 12 months for Lazio and Italy.

I would say this is a little off-topic, but I think when it comes to investing in a striker this summer, maybe Immobile is more worthy of a debate than Djordjevic at this point.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: lazioserbia on July 18, 2017, 04:18:41 PM
I'm probably one of the few that was unhappier with Djordjevic 12 months ago than I am now, but it's purely because I don't think any more or less of Djordjevic now, but I think from a financial standpoint, it makes less sense to invest in a back-up striker now than it did last season. Djordjevic is worth less, Palombi is breaking through etc.

Also, if I was to make predictions on next season, one of my predictions would be that Immobile disappoints. Because he has never backed up a good season with another good season and as it stands, he's going to end up playing 60+ games over the next 12 months for Lazio and Italy.

I would say this is a little off-topic, but I think when it comes to investing in a striker this summer, maybe Immobile is more worthy of a debate than Djordjevic at this point.

Yes, Djordjevic will probably leave so not much point in discussing him right now.

Immobile on the other hand was eager to show he's not done after two years of almost not playing football at all and was hungry for both games and goals. I'm not saying that he is already fed up and won't have another great season, but it will be hard for him to repeat the success. Having said that, I also have to disagree with you, I think he will have a good season...with the grinta he showed it's hard to think otherwise and if Keita stays and partners him - not like he does with Patric  :twinkle: - in attack they both should have good seasons.

Regarding Palombi, he's a good player for his age, right? Looks like a good finisher...what about Rossi? Could these youngsters prove to be useful in the next season?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 18, 2017, 04:20:56 PM
Baiocchini from Sky reporting that West Ham offered 32 million for Keita.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Miro on July 18, 2017, 04:33:15 PM
Agent of Mario Pasalic claims that our 'interest' in his client is nothing more than fantasy. Considering that he rejected us twice so far, this would be awesome news if true. He is a pretty average footballer.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 18, 2017, 04:35:16 PM
Regarding Palombi, he's a good player for his age, right? Looks like a good finisher...what about Rossi? Could these youngsters prove to be useful in the next season?

I'm a numbers guy. There's very few players in Italy that are 21 or under and scored 8 goals in one of Italy's top two divisions. In Serie A, it was only Patrik Schick. In Serie B, there was Andera Favilli, Riccardo Orsolini and Simone Palombi. So in Palombi - if last season's form holds up - we have one of the brightest attacking prospects in Italy.

You can't compare Rossi to Palombi. Rossi was scoring goals in a team that lost 14-1 to the Lazio first team in pre-season. He looks like he's too good for the Primavera, but so many players that look like that end up retired at 23.

In my opinion, Inzaghi needs to decide whether a loan spell in A or B is best for Palombi's development or if he can give him enough minutes at Lazio considering we play in three competitions. I'm expecting him to keep Palombi around - I think Rossi has something about him too, but I'm not sure he's going to cut it as of next season.

Baiocchini from Sky reporting that West Ham offered 32 million for Keita.

This might have something to do with SkyBet slashing their odds on Keita joining West Ham this morning.

But he's 1/5 to be at Inter next season 6/1 to be at Lazio and 12/1 to be at West Ham so...

Agent of Mario Pasalic claims that our 'interest' in his client is nothing more than fantasy. Considering that he rejected us twice so far, this would be awesome news if true. He is a pretty average footballer.

I meant to say previously, I cannot understand why Lazio would still want him. I read stuff like 'one of the only good players at Milan last season'. Really? Barely noticed him myself.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Miro on July 18, 2017, 04:47:38 PM
Agent of Mario Pasalic claims that our 'interest' in his client is nothing more than fantasy. Considering that he rejected us twice so far, this would be awesome news if true. He is a pretty average footballer.

I meant to say previously, I cannot understand why Lazio would still want him. I read stuff like 'one of the only good players at Milan last season'. Really? Barely noticed him myself.

I don't get it either. He never impressed me with Milan. Several times I have seen him, he was decent at best. His passing and decisions can be brutal sometimes.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Skenderbeu on July 18, 2017, 05:03:09 PM
Very few in here believed all three of Biglia, Keita and De Vrij would sign new contracts but I must say Lazio is in best situation of the worst scenarios this summer. 17 + for Lucas is a good one, like Hernanes and Candreva (Kolarov sale is beyond everything) but instead Keita might leave and De Vrij don't express himself so its turning to a nightmare, breathtaking for me.

Without Keita and De vrij will Inzaghi get trouble and it's a massive challenge, worse than Bielsa affair made Simone intrudes the fine room for real   :vcool:
I don't have a clue what will happend but it's really necessarily to keep Keita and De Vrij.
Let Cataldi also stay.

I dream of Clasie  :whistle:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: valdanito on July 18, 2017, 05:20:21 PM
Latest is West Ham offering 32 for keita. I think that would make Lotito happy and Keita can go and persue his Animal Eye London he has been focusing so much on.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: lazioserbia on July 18, 2017, 05:23:39 PM
So does that mean Palombi is more promising than Rossi?

We will play a lot of game in Europe against weaker opponents and maybe that could provide game time for Palombi?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 18, 2017, 05:30:35 PM
Adamonis on way to Salernitana's ritiro.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 18, 2017, 05:42:38 PM
Keita training in the gym this evening - might suggest he's set to leave the club, might suggest he's not 100% and that's why he skipped the friendly. Read into it what you will.

So does that mean Palombi is more promising than Rossi?

Not necessarily as Rossi is almost a year younger, but everyone took notice of Rossi when he scored 25 goals last season, but no one seemed to notice that Palombi scored 21 goals for the Primavera in the previous season despite missing quite a few games and 23 the season before.

Palombi is definitely further along in his development, but Rossi might end up being more talented. Time will tell. But it is what it is: Palombi is proven in Serie B, Rossi is not proven in professional football.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: torsten on July 18, 2017, 06:36:17 PM
We will play a lot of game in Europe against weaker opponents and maybe that could provide game time for Palombi?

I think that we would be dumb not to test Palombi here. If we don't test a player that has scored almost 10 goals in Serie B, and 44 goals in two seasons in our Primavera. What will it take to get through our ranks?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: torsten on July 18, 2017, 06:37:46 PM
About keeping de Vrij and Keita to try to reach the CL.. How much money would CL Q bring us? If the rumour of 32M for Keita is true, we would still "loose" money and even two players for free if we miss top 4...
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 18, 2017, 06:48:10 PM
We will play a lot of game in Europe against weaker opponents and maybe that could provide game time for Palombi?

I think that we would be dumb not to test Palombi here. If we don't test a player that has scored almost 10 goals in Serie B, and 44 goals in two seasons in our Primavera. What will it take to get through our ranks?

Palombi and Murgia should remain in the first group without doubt.
Crecco, Lombardi, Rossi, Oikonomidis to a much lesser extent.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 18, 2017, 06:54:53 PM
Palombi and Murgia should remain in the first group without doubt.
Crecco, Lombardi, Rossi, Oikonomidis to a much lesser extent.

Agree with Murgia and Palombi. If Pioli promotes Cataldi after Crotone, Inzaghi has to promote Palombi in my opinion unless it's clear he just won't play like it is with Germoni.

I'd argue Lombardi should stay; he's got to be useful in Europa League. Not convinced he's Serie A standard yet, but his pace and work ethic is going to be useful in Europe.

I think Crecco might already be at the peak of his powers and that might simply be not enough for Lazio. Ikonomidis' last two seasons suggest he shouldn't stick around although it pains me to say it (and I think we handled him poorly). And Rossi is definitely not ready, but what do you do with him? If sent on loan, not convinced he plays.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 18, 2017, 07:00:01 PM
Palombi and Murgia should remain in the first group without doubt.
Crecco, Lombardi, Rossi, Oikonomidis to a much lesser extent.

Agree with Murgia and Palombi. If Pioli promotes Cataldi after Crotone, Inzaghi has to promote Palombi in my opinion unless it's clear he just won't play like it is with Germoni.

I'd argue Lombardi should stay; he's got to be useful in Europa League. Not convinced he's Serie A standard yet, but his pace and work ethic is going to be useful in Europe.

I think Crecco might already be at the peak of his powers and that might simply be not enough for Lazio. Ikonomidis' last two seasons suggest he shouldn't stick around although it pains me to say it (and I think we handled him poorly). And Rossi is definitely not ready, but what do you do with him? If sent on loan, not convinced he plays.

I can also agree with using Lombardi in the EL.  Especially during the groupstage.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: torsten on July 18, 2017, 07:01:56 PM
Palombi and Murgia should remain in the first group without doubt.
Crecco, Lombardi, Rossi, Oikonomidis to a much lesser extent.

Agree with Murgia and Palombi. If Pioli promotes Cataldi after Crotone, Inzaghi has to promote Palombi in my opinion unless it's clear he just won't play like it is with Germoni.

I'd argue Lombardi should stay; he's got to be useful in Europa League. Not convinced he's Serie A standard yet, but his pace and work ethic is going to be useful in Europe.

I think Crecco might already be at the peak of his powers and that might simply be not enough for Lazio. Ikonomidis' last two seasons suggest he shouldn't stick around although it pains me to say it (and I think we handled him poorly). And Rossi is definitely not ready, but what do you do with him? If sent on loan, not convinced he plays.

Agree on every point. But surely we will just buy back Germoni after his superb next season  :rolley:

Could we not make a deal with Salernitana to play him x games next season?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 18, 2017, 07:09:22 PM
Palombi and Murgia should remain in the first group without doubt.
Crecco, Lombardi, Rossi, Oikonomidis to a much lesser extent.

Agree with Murgia and Palombi. If Pioli promotes Cataldi after Crotone, Inzaghi has to promote Palombi in my opinion unless it's clear he just won't play like it is with Germoni.

I'd argue Lombardi should stay; he's got to be useful in Europa League. Not convinced he's Serie A standard yet, but his pace and work ethic is going to be useful in Europe.

I think Crecco might already be at the peak of his powers and that might simply be not enough for Lazio. Ikonomidis' last two seasons suggest he shouldn't stick around although it pains me to say it (and I think we handled him poorly). And Rossi is definitely not ready, but what do you do with him? If sent on loan, not convinced he plays.

Agree on every point. But surely we will just buy back Germoni after his superb next season  :rolley:

Could we not make a deal with Salernitana to play him x games next season?

He's on loan,  still ours.  :twinkle:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 18, 2017, 07:14:22 PM
Parma have a buyout clause on Germoni and Lazio have a buy-back clause, so if he performs at Parma, we'll have to pay up.

In my opinion, this is Lazio's way of ensuring Parma keep playing him and it's smart - too many of our loan deals have not been working out and for me, the club need to put more thought into them and it's beginning to look like they are doing so.

Reggina is a good place for Bezziccheri and I'll give the club the benefit of the doubt for not making a good offer for Folorunsho - nothing suggests he's a superstar and if he does well in Lega Pro, then we can afford to make an offer in time and bring him home.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: torsten on July 18, 2017, 07:14:27 PM
Palombi and Murgia should remain in the first group without doubt.
Crecco, Lombardi, Rossi, Oikonomidis to a much lesser extent.

Agree with Murgia and Palombi. If Pioli promotes Cataldi after Crotone, Inzaghi has to promote Palombi in my opinion unless it's clear he just won't play like it is with Germoni.

I'd argue Lombardi should stay; he's got to be useful in Europa League. Not convinced he's Serie A standard yet, but his pace and work ethic is going to be useful in Europe.

I think Crecco might already be at the peak of his powers and that might simply be not enough for Lazio. Ikonomidis' last two seasons suggest he shouldn't stick around although it pains me to say it (and I think we handled him poorly). And Rossi is definitely not ready, but what do you do with him? If sent on loan, not convinced he plays.

Agree on every point. But surely we will just buy back Germoni after his superb next season  :rolley:

Could we not make a deal with Salernitana to play him x games next season?

He's on loan,  still ours.  :twinkle:

Ops! That was a messy post... :whistle:

My Germoni joke was because of the buyback on Palombi in the summer  :twinkle: because Germoni was loaned out with a buyout clause and buyback clause right?

And the "Could we not make a deal with Salernitana to play him x games next season?" was for Rossi.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: mikitsi on July 18, 2017, 07:44:36 PM
Juve is no longer after Patrik Schick. If there is no injury he would be great signing.

edit: ok, so he has heart problems. Well cynigal thinking is that is why there is insurances and it should lower he's price much.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: jovo on July 18, 2017, 08:41:42 PM
If we manage to give to Keita new contract it will be the best mercato so far. This kid will be 50M player next summer.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Gianni Calcio on July 18, 2017, 09:01:54 PM
If we manage to give to Keita new contract it will be the best mercato so far. This kid will be 50M player next summer.

I agree but I think he wants to leave Lazio,  I'd rather him sold abroad I don't want to face him in Serie A
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Giolazio on July 18, 2017, 11:09:21 PM
So does that mean Palombi is more promising than Rossi?

We will play a lot of game in Europe against weaker opponents and maybe that could provide game time for Palombi?

I've been following Palombi for a long time and I would say he is more of a ready product than Rossi. It's too hard right now to tell who will be the better player but Palombi is a year further in his development. What Rossi needs to do now is go on loan and score goals like Palombi did.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 18, 2017, 11:39:08 PM
As discussed in the Leiva thread (for the members yet to see it, really check it out, especially also his letter to the Liverpool fans), it seems this guy has an outstanding character and is a geniounly nice person.

Come to think of it, Tare is really looking at this when it comes to recent signings. 
Leiva, Alberto, Marusic, Wallace, Bastos, Lukaku, Immobile, Sergej
And bringing in Murgia, Lombardi, Palombi.

All either calm, unpretentious, hard working, feet on the ground and easy going people.
That makes a good dressing room, in that aspect good job

 :stendvl:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: blue_sky on July 19, 2017, 08:11:20 AM
As discussed in the Leiva thread (for the members yet to see it, really check it out, especially also his letter to the Liverpool fans), it seems this guy has an outstanding character and is a geniounly nice person.

Come to think of it, Tare is really looking at this when it comes to recent signings. 
Leiva, Alberto, Marusic, Wallace, Bastos, Lukaku, Immobile, Sergej
And bringing in Murgia, Lombardi, Palombi.

All either calm, unpretentious, hard working, feet on the ground and easy going people.
That makes a good dressing room, in that aspect good job

 :stendvl:

plus kick out the trouble, at least some people said it, Biglia, Keita, Candreva.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Amir on July 19, 2017, 08:48:54 AM
Can someone tell me, what can/will Di Genaro give Lazio more than Danilo Cataldi? I mean, is he a better player? Cause I have seen little of him to make a judgment.

Strange things are happening must say.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 19, 2017, 08:58:45 AM
Can someone tell me, what can/will Di Genaro give Lazio more than Danilo Cataldi? I mean, is he a better player? Cause I have seen little of him to make a judgment.

Strange things are happening must say.

What's strange about it?

First things first, Di Gennaro might actually train properly, not cause problems in the Lazio dressing room, show some humility and want to play for Lazio at the same time.

Secondly, he's a much more creative central midfield player than anyone on our roster and he has a wealth of experience that Cataldi would obviously lack.

Thirdly, Di Gennaro was a key player in a Cagliari team that was comfortably mid-table before he was dropped because he wasn't going to renew. Cataldi couldn't hold down a place in a Genoa side that almost ended up in Serie B. On form, Di Gennaro is the pick of the two.

Finally, the Curva Nord prefer Di Gennaro to Cataldi.

Comparisons are being drawn between Cataldi and Di Gennaro because it's assumed one coming in depends on the other, but they are very different players.

And it's a bit weird that there's this sort of idea on the forum that although Inzaghi is in his second season now, he must follow the tactics and ideas that got Pioli the sack.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: blue-white on July 19, 2017, 09:04:30 AM
I would also have liked to see that Cataldi has a usefull time at Genoa, but he didn't. They were bad in the second half of the season, and even in a bad team, Cataldi was not able to win a regular place there.

As much as many laziali were hoping that this boy will grow and gets better and better, we can say now, that this will unfortunately not happen.

Time to move on - maybe this kind of deal for Benevento where we have the rights for a sum to buy him back is the right solution... i don't know.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Amir on July 19, 2017, 09:33:15 AM
Cataldi was unlucky as he moved to Genoa when the team was utterly poor and in total disarray. Even Messi couldn`t have helped Genoa at that stage, let alone someone like Danilo.

Secondly, considering that we will play with 3 in the middle and Parolo, Sergej and Lucas are almost certain starters, I reckon we are only replacing one reserve player with another reserve.

Cathal, is there news/reports that Cataldi did not train well and caused dressing room issues, cause if there is it appears I have missed this issue.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 19, 2017, 09:56:13 AM
Secondly, considering that we will play with 3 in the middle and Parolo, Sergej and Lucas are almost certain starters, I reckon we are only replacing one reserve player with another reserve.

But we're making money in the process, which is an important point. Also, there's no guarantee we play with three in the middle now Biglia is gone if yesterday's training session is anything to go by.

Cathal, is there news/reports that Cataldi did not train well and caused dressing room issues, cause if there is it appears I have missed this issue.

Cataldi himself said he was guilty of not training fully at times and Inzaghi said he wasn't happy at Lazio and that it wasn't good for the team to keep such players around. Furthermore, his celebration against Lazio caused the Curva Nord to go public in saying the do not want him at Lazio and they clearly had issues with his wife.

One of our friends in Rome said Cataldi was close to Candreva, Keita and others who were seen as problematic in the dressing room. Another one of our friends in Rome said his father was being problematic. On other forums in the past, Romans who grew up with him said he was a 1927 supporter - which I'm sure the Curva Nord took into consideration when they saw him celebrate against Lazio.

I get sometimes there can be smoke without fire, but there's so much smoke with Cataldi, it's difficult to believe there's no fire.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: flurffmeister on July 19, 2017, 11:26:02 AM
Can someone tell me, what can/will Di Genaro give Lazio more than Danilo Cataldi? I mean, is he a better player? Cause I have seen little of him to make a judgment.

Strange things are happening must say.

What's strange about it?

First things first, Di Gennaro might actually train properly, not cause problems in the Lazio dressing room, show some humility and want to play for Lazio at the same time.

Secondly, he's a much more creative central midfield player than anyone on our roster and he has a wealth of experience that Cataldi would obviously lack.

Thirdly, Di Gennaro was a key player in a Cagliari team that was comfortably mid-table before he was dropped because he wasn't going to renew. Cataldi couldn't hold down a place in a Genoa side that almost ended up in Serie B. On form, Di Gennaro is the pick of the two.

Finally, the Curva Nord prefer Di Gennaro to Cataldi.

Comparisons are being drawn between Cataldi and Di Gennaro because it's assumed one coming in depends on the other, but they are very different players.

And it's a bit weird that there's this sort of idea on the forum that although Inzaghi is in his second season now, he must follow the tactics and ideas that got Pioli the sack.

Not Defending Cataldi , but Di Gennaro is not that good he is at best mediocre i have seen him many times during the matches (not that i follow Cagliari) he is not remarkable just a good left foot, no wonder the best team he played for is Cagliari and at 29 he spent most of his career in Serie B , but ya i can understand these types of transfers it is Lotito ,what i dont get is the hype around him? Cataldi is much better even if he shouldn't stay, Lotito had to find some bosman player to integrate him into the squad this is his style.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Dakiller961 on July 19, 2017, 11:39:51 AM
the minutes cataldi had in the U21 European championship were awfull, and if it were me I wouldn't have called him up
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: chandraicang on July 19, 2017, 12:39:52 PM
So kishna is off to benevento. Any chance they would snap patric too? But to be honest, I think club should consider to sell basta instead
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Nass on July 19, 2017, 01:06:00 PM
Keita to West Ham is total BS, they're about to present Arnautovic and Javi Hernandez. IMO he is very overrated due to his huge ego, not very good characteristics to have in a squad and I for one can't wait to just see him off. Would any sane director offer 32 millions for him I'd take in and run as in all honesty I'll never see him as a potential 50 m + player
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Secret_Samadhi on July 19, 2017, 02:52:17 PM
Media claims Lazio are after Loic Remy of Chelsea and Atleti forward Amath Ndiaye.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 19, 2017, 02:53:23 PM
Lot's of rumours still bit i'm inclined to believe this link with Amath Ndiaye isn't all invention.
He's somewhat the yet to be shaped younger version of Keita, exactly thesame type of player.

Currently in training with Simeone's Atletico and according to him he's doing great.  Says the kid has everthing going except finishing off enough attacks, again a reminder on how Keita was untill last season.  Constantly dribbling, troubling defences and being dangerous.  Still bagged 14 goals at Tenerife but it seems if his aim would be perfected it would have been more close to 30.

The question is of course would Simeone agree to sell such a prospect?
The kind of striker we should be looking at, not the static uncreative types like Falcinelli.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cataldi4thewin on July 19, 2017, 02:57:21 PM


One of our friends in Rome said Cataldi was close to Candreva, Keita and others who were seen as problematic in the dressing room. Another one of our friends in Rome said his father was being problematic. On other forums in the past, Romans who grew up with him said he was a 1927 supporter - which I'm sure the Curva Nord took into consideration when they saw him celebrate against Lazio.


One of my friends in Rome said Cataldi was close to everybody and tried to bridge the gap with all feuds in the dressing Rome.

My friend in Rome said he was a Lazio supporter through and through.

My friend in Rome in a forum once said his family would invite all Laziali over for lunch's often and was very kind to everyone of all ranks to Lazio.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 19, 2017, 03:05:53 PM
So kishna is off to benevento. Any chance they would snap patric too? But to be honest, I think club should consider to sell basta instead

Kishna is really not gone yet.  He's been linked now for a week but nothing has happened.  Cataldi for 3 weeks but nothing.
'd Alessandro was linked for 2 days and he's already at Benevento since this morning, so something tells me our 2 players aren't that close 'yet'.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 19, 2017, 03:15:44 PM
One of my friends in Rome said Cataldi was close to everybody and tried to bridge the gap with all feuds in the dressing Rome.

My friend in Rome said he was a Lazio supporter through and through.

My friend in Rome in a forum once said his family would invite all Laziali over for lunch's often and was very kind to everyone of all ranks to Lazio.

When you come out with a post like this, with all respect, you can't know much about this community.

There are people in this community, if not regularly posting on this forum, who have either worked in Formello or are working in Formello. Look into the history of this community and you'll see countless examples of how this community has influence or can obtain information.

I'm a member of this forum who sees it as my duty to provide news, but I'm not a journalist whose livelihood depends on people reading their writing. If I say I've heard stuff, you can be sure it's coming from a good source. If I say I've seen stuff, I ain't lying.

We had a discussion six months ago where I said, based on what I've heard, don't expect Cataldi to have a Lazio career. And when it seems his Lazio career is over, would you not at least entertain the suggestion that he might not be on the best terms with the club?

Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: blue-white on July 19, 2017, 03:25:20 PM
Cataldi to Benevento seems to be a done deal. Di Gennaro to Lazio also on the way.
sources: TMW, LLSN
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Kaiser on July 19, 2017, 03:32:01 PM
Looks like Marius Adamonis went on loan to Salernitana. Boris Radunovic is coming on loan from Atalanta
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cataldi4thewin on July 19, 2017, 03:37:53 PM
Ooooh. Why didn't you say that the information came from 'this community' . Sorry for not believing what some guy(s) wrote on a forum to hurt Cataldi's image who's in 'this community'.

Honestly, Heresay is never a source of fact. Have you ever played broken telephone before as a child?

Did 'this community' write about how Cataldi visited an unfortunate Laziali family with a couple of sons with a neuro-degenerate disease as soon as his loan expired? Do they have a fair perspective of Cataldi stating the good and bad about him, or solely out to harm his image?

Excuse Cataldi if he has a bitter taste in his mouth that they are willing to rid of his services after serving Lazio adequately with his time at the club. Cataldi has given much to Lazio including silverware and his devoted time. Instead, choosing an older down the hill very average at peak performance Di Gennero to replace him? Are you kidding me. Tragic.

You guys keep believing Cataldi is a merdista p.o.s .. i guess you guys didnt used to see on Bein before Lazio games when Cataldi pumps up the team in the dressing room even when he isn't starting the match.   
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 19, 2017, 03:42:47 PM
Cataldi to Benevento seems to be a done deal. Di Gennaro to Lazio also on the way.
sources: TMW, LLSN

Yes another report just popped up right after my previous post, maybe it helped ... ?

In all fairness it's like the 3rd or 4th these sources come up with practicly thesame info.
But it's the first time now they talk about a medical for Di Gennaro.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: blue-white on July 19, 2017, 03:46:00 PM
Yes another report just popped up right after my previous post, maybe it helped ... ?
:beer:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: lazioserbia on July 19, 2017, 04:08:54 PM
Ooooh. Why didn't you say that the information came from 'this community' . Sorry for not believing what some guy(s) wrote on a forum to hurt Cataldi's image who's in 'this community'.

Honestly, Heresay is never a source of fact. Have you ever played broken telephone before as a child?

Did 'this community' write about how Cataldi visited an unfortunate Laziali family with a couple of sons with a neuro-degenerate disease as soon as his loan expired? Do they have a fair perspective of Cataldi stating the good and bad about him, or solely out to harm his image?

Excuse Cataldi if he has a bitter taste in his mouth that they are willing to rid of his services after serving Lazio adequately with his time at the club. Cataldi has given much to Lazio including silverware and his devoted time. Instead, choosing an older down the hill very average at peak performance Di Gennero to replace him? Are you kidding me. Tragic.

You guys keep believing Cataldi is a merdista p.o.s .. i guess you guys didnt used to see on Bein before Lazio games when Cataldi pumps up the team in the dressing room even when he isn't starting the match.   

Aaaaaaaaaaaand then comes the smirk after Genoa scores against Lazio...
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Giolazio on July 19, 2017, 04:16:24 PM
Ooooh. Why didn't you say that the information came from 'this community' . Sorry for not believing what some guy(s) wrote on a forum to hurt Cataldi's image who's in 'this community'.

Honestly, Heresay is never a source of fact. Have you ever played broken telephone before as a child?

Did 'this community' write about how Cataldi visited an unfortunate Laziali family with a couple of sons with a neuro-degenerate disease as soon as his loan expired? Do they have a fair perspective of Cataldi stating the good and bad about him, or solely out to harm his image?

Excuse Cataldi if he has a bitter taste in his mouth that they are willing to rid of his services after serving Lazio adequately with his time at the club. Cataldi has given much to Lazio including silverware and his devoted time. Instead, choosing an older down the hill very average at peak performance Di Gennero to replace him? Are you kidding me. Tragic.

You guys keep believing Cataldi is a merdista p.o.s .. i guess you guys didnt used to see on Bein before Lazio games when Cataldi pumps up the team in the dressing room even when he isn't starting the match.   

Are you by any chance actually...Cataldi??  :wow:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: valdanito on July 19, 2017, 04:18:03 PM
Come on guys, let him vent. He's clearly disappointed.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 19, 2017, 04:19:18 PM
Cataldi is Lazio's past.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 19, 2017, 04:20:46 PM
Ooooh. Why didn't you say that the information came from 'this community' . Sorry for not believing what some guy(s) wrote on a forum to hurt Cataldi's image who's in 'this community'.

Honestly, Heresay is never a source of fact. Have you ever played broken telephone before as a child?

Did 'this community' write about how Cataldi visited an unfortunate Laziali family with a couple of sons with a neuro-degenerate disease as soon as his loan expired? Do they have a fair perspective of Cataldi stating the good and bad about him, or solely out to harm his image?

Excuse Cataldi if he has a bitter taste in his mouth that they are willing to rid of his services after serving Lazio adequately with his time at the club. Cataldi has given much to Lazio including silverware and his devoted time. Instead, choosing an older down the hill very average at peak performance Di Gennero to replace him? Are you kidding me. Tragic.

You guys keep believing Cataldi is a merdista p.o.s .. i guess you guys didnt used to see on Bein before Lazio games when Cataldi pumps up the team in the dressing room even when he isn't starting the match.   

Look, if you don't appreciate this community and have no interest in getting to know the community you are a part of, you could at least refrain from mocking it and disrespecting everyone in here. No one is saying you have to believe anything that is written on this forum and no one is saying you have to not like Cataldi, but if you've such disdain for this forum in general, what the hell are you doing in here?

You are entitled to your opinion, but if your opinion is that this forum or community is fake news, that everyone on this forum must be wrong when they disagree with you because you are the truth, forgive me if I don't personally agree with your views and arguments. You might buy it, but I don't buy PR spin created by Cataldi's management on his Instagram account or associate being passionate about playing football with your teammates with being totally and utterly devoted to Lazio.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: blue-white on July 19, 2017, 04:21:05 PM
Keita not included in today's friendly .... he posted that on his twitter account.

If that all is true, it's clear that he is no longer in the project and Lotito will try to sell him.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cataldi4thewin on July 19, 2017, 04:26:47 PM
Come on guys, let him vent. He's clearly disappointed.

Thank You.

No Im not Cataldi lol.

But my goodness how fast you guys here turn on Cataldi. From one season just to the next. He did not even play badly when he played for us, sporting a great winning % when he plays. A fan, A servant to the team and now he's good as dead to many of you's here. Its unfair, its a really sad case actually.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: valdanito on July 19, 2017, 04:33:17 PM
As someone pointed out, not sure if here on the forum or elsewhere. Keita has been liking icardi posts on instagram quite a bit. Or he has a man crush on him (hope patric won't read this) or there is something cooking for real with inda.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 19, 2017, 04:39:06 PM
The club will have to release a statement on this matter, so we're going to learn very quickly. My guess is that they're going to put Keita's absence on Sunday on Keita somehow.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: blue-white on July 19, 2017, 04:42:46 PM
official line up:

LAZIO (3-5-2): Vargic; Bastos, de Vrij, Radu; Basta, Murgia, Luis Alberto, Lulic, Marusic; Anderson, Immobile. (A disp. Strakosha, Guerrieri, Wallace, Hoedt, Lukaku, Patric, Luiz Felipe, Mohamed, Crecco, Leiva, Milinkovic, Parolo, Oikonomidis, Kishna, Keita, Lombardi, Palombi, Djordjevic, Rossi) All. Inzaghi

he is on the bench.... so what?....

Maybe he will get minutes. We will see. - posting on twitter then seems only for provoking!!
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 19, 2017, 04:57:26 PM
Well, what happened on Sunday wasn't normal. If the club did indeed tell people he was only off to Milan to see his girlfriend, then the club were concealing the truth.

This is Lazio's biggest problem. They can control the situation by being the first ones to communicate but they always wait until there's a situation before they address anything. By not saying something that made any sense on Sunday, they've created the climate for today.

The official line-up makes it clear that they are either going to call Keita a liar or Keita is lying.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Hadi Van Der Vaart on July 19, 2017, 05:06:08 PM
But my goodness how fast you guys here turn on Cataldi.

It's not about how fast we abandon Cataldi, but it's about how fast he ran to celebrate pandev's goal. :razz:
But never mind, like valdanito said, we will give you time to vent your frustation.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 19, 2017, 05:15:50 PM
Cataldi to Benevento now official, loan with obligation to buy.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Giolazio on July 19, 2017, 05:16:14 PM
But my goodness how fast you guys here turn on Cataldi.

It's not about how fast we abandon Cataldi, but it's about how fast he ran to celebrate pandev's goal. :razz:

Pure gold... :supsmile:

I loved Cataldi and I am very disappointed with how it turned out and had hoped he could still be reintegrated, but it's the kids own fault.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 19, 2017, 05:24:21 PM
As a Lazio supporter, I can say without any degree of doubt that I wouldn't have celebrated a goal against Lazio. I accept the Curva Nord were out of line (as they often are) and perhaps even missed the point (their real issue was Pandev and Cataldi's wife) and there's no rule to say you can't celebrate against your parent club or that it's this, that and the other... but if Cataldi is a Lazio fan, he clearly has a very different idea of supportership to me.

He did say he didn't give 100% in training in times, Inzaghi did say he didn't want to be at Lazio, he did have his agent release a statement saying he's only prepared to stay at Lazio if things changed etc. and no matter how much you like a player or desire for a player to become a bandiera, surely if you see these things you can at least take a step back and say, ok, I can see why this isn't working out.

There's not a part of me that's happy to see Cataldi end up at Benevento, but I can't change the past. At best, he made mistakes and paid for them. At worst, he was never what many proclaimed him to be.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 19, 2017, 05:30:57 PM
LAZIO (3-5-2): Vargic; Bastos, de Vrij, Radu; Basta, Murgia, Luis Alberto, Lulic, Marusic; Anderson, Immobile. (A disp. Strakosha, Guerrieri, Wallace, Hoedt, Lukaku, Patric, Luiz Felipe, Mohamed, Crecco, Leiva, Milinkovic, Parolo, Oikonomidis, Kishna, Keita, Lombardi, Palombi, Djordjevic, Rossi) All. Inzaghi

he is on the bench.... so what?....

We could put this on the fact that Simone is trying to 'reform' Felipe into a second striker and is using these games to do so.
Of course Keita did not enter the field last game and if he doesn't in this one it's definitly wrong.

Well, what happened on Sunday wasn't normal. If the club did indeed tell people he was only off to Milan to see his girlfriend, then the club were concealing the truth.

This is Lazio's biggest problem. They can control the situation by being the first ones to communicate but they always wait until there's a situation before they address anything. By not saying something that made any sense on Sunday, they've created the climate for today.

It wasn't normal i agree.  Keita's situation on the free day was the only one looking suspicious.
I'm nervous about it, i expected everything to fall back into place returning to Auronzo but it hasn't.
And now with the Amath Ndiaye rumour going on it's starting to feel even more wrong.

The communication problem isn't getting much better, it seemed to change a little earlier this season but now it's clearly not evolved.  If the club would act accordingly half the media inventions wouldn't get much attention.

Cataldi to Benevento now official, loan with obligation to buy.

Obligation!  Great news, that's the important piece.

But my goodness how fast you guys here turn on Cataldi.

It's not about how fast we abandon Cataldi, but it's about how fast he ran to celebrate pandev's goal. :razz:

Pure gold... :supsmile:

I loved Cataldi and I am very disappointed with how it turned out and had hoped he could still be reintegrated, but it's the kids own fault.

The Curva really took this matter very serious, even a little more then i expected.  But what did surprise is how fast Lazio went along with this.  The club really did everything to keep him seperate from the team upon the return from Genoa.  The pressure from the fans must have been adequate.  Of course the chance was very slim for him even before the Pandev celebration to return, but without it he might have been at Auronzo for a few days before leaving again.  In this case i feel the club handled this very well.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 19, 2017, 05:34:31 PM
Sincerely I can't understand one piece of all this Keita saga and for who of those two parties involved (Lazio and Keita) work well all this mess.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Sile on July 19, 2017, 05:37:23 PM
Cataldi to Benevento now official, loan with obligation to buy.



(https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/887690536395481089/0MxrqQTc?format=jpg&name=600x314)

  Benevento Calcio
 ✔  ‎@bncalcio 

Maglia giallorossa per Cataldi http://dlvr.it/PWp24F (http://dlvr.it/PWp24F)


unfortunate phrasing  :stendrm:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: lazioserbia on July 19, 2017, 05:40:02 PM
That emblem is disgusting
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cataldi4thewin on July 19, 2017, 05:42:58 PM
Cataldi wearing giallo rosso  :what:

(http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/f7/f7a5e5acfc5e88de76b775a8866a1fb2fcf1b64ba05c28da6be3d45e9a8cf1c3.jpg)
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 19, 2017, 05:43:54 PM
After Keita's 'unfortunate' twitter remark (again), media is already going nuts completely, guns blazing ... :whistle:

- Lazio accept West Ham bid, but Juve now back to hyjack the deal
- Juve offering Pjaca + Sturaro in exchange.
- Juve offering Sturaro + cash.

Another week of this coming now .....  :roll_eyes:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Sile on July 19, 2017, 05:47:21 PM
Cataldi wearing giallo rosso  :what:

([url]http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/f7/f7a5e5acfc5e88de76b775a8866a1fb2fcf1b64ba05c28da6be3d45e9a8cf1c3.jpg[/url])


Hehehe will you buy his jersey now :D

Can't wait for the usual "it's an honor to wear this jersey I will give 100% for these colours and the fans" interview hehehehehehehehe
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 19, 2017, 05:52:49 PM
Sincerely I can't understand one piece of all this Keita saga and for who of those two parties involved (Lazio and Keita) work well all this mess.

Is it beyond the realms of possibility that Lazio have plenty of offers on the table and in a bid to scare the s**t out of all interested parties, they are making it look like he's close to someone. And in reality, they just want to get mo' money, less problems.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 19, 2017, 06:00:22 PM
On Cataldi, rumour going around that it's 2 million loan + 6 million transfer fee but Lazio may have a buy-back option on Cataldi for 11 million and that neither Lazio or Benevento chose to make this public.

So there may be hope out there for Cataldi to return to Lazio one day.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 19, 2017, 06:03:45 PM
Sincerely I can't understand one piece of all this Keita saga and for who of those two parties involved (Lazio and Keita) work well all this mess.

Is it beyond the realms of possibility that Lazio have plenty of offers on the table and in a bid to scare the s**t out of all interested parties, they are making it look like he's close to someone. And in reality, they just want to get mo' money, less problems.

If is story that Lotito intended to sell Keita yet last summer is true, more probably we're after bidding war. Tare going public month ago with story of pre-agreement only work that way.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 19, 2017, 06:21:50 PM
On Cataldi, rumour going around that it's 2 million loan + 6 million transfer fee but Lazio may have a buy-back option on Cataldi for 11 million and that neither Lazio or Benevento chose to make this public.

So there may be hope out there for Cataldi to return to Lazio one day.

Surely Lazio won't make that detail public. 
Now the 'die hards' are pleased, any knowledge of his return would make this less.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 19, 2017, 06:32:45 PM
Sincerely I can't understand one piece of all this Keita saga and for who of those two parties involved (Lazio and Keita) work well all this mess.

Is it beyond the realms of possibility that Lazio have plenty of offers on the table and in a bid to scare the s**t out of all interested parties, they are making it look like he's close to someone. And in reality, they just want to get mo' money, less problems.

If is story that Lotito intended to sell Keita yet last summer is true, more probably we're after bidding war. Tare going public month ago with story of pre-agreement only work that way.

It's a shame with this twitter remark again from him, should act smarter.  I really like his football, he's a worldclass talent and he can unlock games.  I was yearning for an EL campaign with him in the spotlight, but if he's acting up again it's getting tiresome.  The club is clearly going for an entire group with the right attitude and big effort style so maybe it's for the best to avoid any dressing room issues, even when coming from a huge attacking asset like Keita.

Nobody above the team.  :stendvl:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: valdanito on July 19, 2017, 06:34:23 PM
Somehow some fans in here still wantto defend keita, but biglia and cataldi are serial killers. The double standars around here...
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 19, 2017, 06:41:59 PM
Somehow some fans in here still wantto defend keita, but biglia and cataldi are serial killers. The double standars around here...

Biglia and Cataldi both made it clear they wanted to leave Lazio, Keita has never said that. I'd have no time for Keita if he ever said he wanted to leave Lazio and I've been consistent with that on this forum for years. If a player doesn't want to be here, I stop caring. But if that's not clear, I'll give the benefit of the doubt.

If I or others have double standards then the club must do also, because only one of the three is a contracted Lazio player, only one of the three was brought to Auronzo di Cadore without any saga or fuss whatsoever.

If you can't see it, that's on you. From my perspective, you missed obvious signals with Biglia too.

If this is still part of your venting process, I'm going to vent back  :razz:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Terzino on July 19, 2017, 06:51:33 PM
That emblem is disgusting
As someone who's family is from the province I feel I could best explain. There's old legends of witchcraft in Benevento and from there it's become a symbol. There is a liquor that's made in Benevento called Strega which is pretty much the only thing it's known for (I'm using known loosely  :razz:). I get your initial reaction so hopefully it makes more sense now. I like it but I'm way biased lol
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cataldi4thewin on July 19, 2017, 06:52:47 PM

Cataldi both made it clear they wanted to leave Lazio, Keita has never said that.

Oh boy. So so many lies surrounding Cataldi. I feel sorry for him. So many gullible people reading horses!t when all they have to do is listen to the facts from the horses mouth.

"Amo questa maglia,amo questa città,amo Formello,amo la Lazio con tutto il cuore e sarà così SEMPRE. È inutile negare che qui non ho trovato lo spazio che speravo , voglio essere un punto fermo della mia Lazio ed è proprio per questo che mi sono dovuto allontanare per questi mesi,per dimostrare di poterlo essere!
NON HO ABBANDONATO LA LAZIO .
Ci tengo anche a ringraziare il Genoa per aver creduto in me, per avermi dato questa possibilità, darò tutto in questi sei mesi per dimostrare il mio valore e per fare il massimo per questo club.
Saluto e abbraccio la mia gente, spero che possiate capirmi.
Arrivederci ad Auronzo di Cadore" -January 2017


Does this message sound look he doesn't want to be with Lazio?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Hadi Van Der Vaart on July 19, 2017, 07:00:28 PM
Biglia also said he wanted to end his career in Lazio.  :whistle:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 19, 2017, 07:06:01 PM
Oh boy. So so many lies surrounding Cataldi. I feel sorry for him. So many gullible people reading horses!t when all they have to do is listen to the facts from the horses mouth.

"Amo questa maglia,amo questa città,amo Formello,amo la Lazio con tutto il cuore e sarà così SEMPRE. È inutile negare che qui non ho trovato lo spazio che speravo , voglio essere un punto fermo della mia Lazio ed è proprio per questo che mi sono dovuto allontanare per questi mesi,per dimostrare di poterlo essere!
NON HO ABBANDONATO LA LAZIO .
Ci tengo anche a ringraziare il Genoa per aver creduto in me, per avermi dato questa possibilità, darò tutto in questi sei mesi per dimostrare il mio valore e per fare il massimo per questo club.
Saluto e abbraccio la mia gente, spero che possiate capirmi.
Arrivederci ad Auronzo di Cadore" -January 2017

Does this message sound look he doesn't want to be with Lazio?

Cataldi signing a contract to become a Genoa player and then signing a contract to become a Benevento player tells me he doesn't want to be at Lazio.

If you want to take that statement, most likely posted by Cataldi's management for PR purposes, as the divine truth, like I said earlier, so be it.

But I'm actually not going to tolerate you calling anyone who disagrees with you this, that and the other much longer. You can vent, but show some respect when doing so.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: valdanito on July 19, 2017, 07:20:37 PM
Somehow some fans in here still wantto defend keita, but biglia and cataldi are serial killers. The double standars around here...

Biglia and Cataldi both made it clear they wanted to leave Lazio, Keita has never said that. I'd have no time for Keita if he ever said he wanted to leave Lazio and I've been consistent with that on this forum for years. If a player doesn't want to be here, I stop caring. But if that's not clear, I'll give the benefit of the doubt.

If I or others have double standards then the club must do also, because only one of the three is a contracted Lazio player, only one of the three was brought to Auronzo di Cadore without any saga or fuss whatsoever.

If you can't see it, that's on you. From my perspective, you missed obvious signals with Biglia too.

If this is still part of your venting process, I'm going to vent back  :razz:

I think his behavior speaks for himself, just like his refusal to extend with us.

I think i was also quite clear saying that biglia had to be shown the door.

And smart move on the venting, ii see what  you did there. :)

In all honesty all of biglia, cataldi and keita have done enough for me to turn my back on them. Only player who has played his card right is stefan de vrij, even if he too wants out.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 19, 2017, 07:26:18 PM
I think his behavior speaks for himself, just like his refusal to extend with us.

Keita's behaviour is certainly not that of the model professional but his argument has always been that Lazio have messed him around - that's still what he's implying today - and Lazio's behaviour as a club also speaks for themselves sometimes.

I do suspect he doesn't want to be at Lazio in an ideal world but I suspect that's the case for pretty much every player in that dressing room. It's when a player makes that sentiment in public in some way that I have a problem with it, regardless of who that player is.

If Keita actually leaves, then I can hold my hands up and say yeah, he obviously wanted to go. But it's not something he's ever said.

I can call him out on his unprofessional behaviour and I have, but he's not the only person whose professionalism can be questioned and others never receive the same level of abuse, so I don't see what's to be gained by adding to it.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 19, 2017, 07:42:52 PM
Il messareggo is claiming Inzaghi chose Lulic for the captaincy, while Lazio management wants Parolo.
Any reason is good to create some form of chaos i reckon.  :roll_eyes:

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LLSN and TMW : Kishna also heading to Benevento.  They want Patric to, but the players is refusing.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 19, 2017, 07:47:11 PM
Il messareggo is claiming Inzaghi chose Lulic for the captaincy, while Lazio management wants Parolo.

If true, can't say I'm surprised. We know Lotito has a whole lot of love for Parolo, but I'd be surprised if Lotito got involved purely because he likes Parolo.

But Lulic becoming captain is bad for the club's global image, and I did wonder if someone else might be preferred with that in mind.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: moody on July 19, 2017, 07:52:49 PM
Il messareggo is claiming Inzaghi chose Lulic for the captaincy, while Lazio management wants Parolo.
Any reason is good to create some form of chaos i reckon.  :roll_eyes:

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LLSN and TMW : Kishna also heading to Benevento.  They want Patric to, but the players is refusing.

Crazy that they want to build a serie A team with Lazio bench players.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Sile on July 19, 2017, 07:55:06 PM
Il messareggo is claiming Inzaghi chose Lulic for the captaincy, while Lazio management wants Parolo.

If true, can't say I'm surprised. We know Lotito has a whole lot of love for Parolo, but I'd be surprised if Lotito got involved purely because he likes Parolo.

But Lulic becoming captain is bad for the club's global image, and I did wonder if someone else might be preferred with that in mind.

Why? Because of Rudiger? Crybaby mentality dictating who should and who shouldn't be our captain?

OLEEE OLE OLE OLE

LULIC LULIC

(https://sd.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk/i/keep-calm-and-lulic-al-71-1.png)
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cataldi4thewin on July 19, 2017, 07:56:25 PM


Cataldi signing a contract to become a Genoa player and then signing a contract to become a Benevento player tells me he doesn't want to be at Lazio.

If you want to take that statement, most likely posted by Cataldi's management for PR purposes, as the divine truth, like I said earlier, so be it.

But I'm actually not going to tolerate you calling anyone who disagrees with you this, that and the other much longer. You can vent, but show some respect when doing so.

Ok lets see here, some more meat for me....

So you said previously that Cataldi said he doesn't want to be here. Now you changed it to the fact he got dry loaned to Genoa and got excluded from the list of Auronzo means that Cataldi said he wanted to leave Lazio.

Where do you get this idea Cataldi has a media team posting for him on instagram? Where are you getting this from?

Well I don't like to tolerate the way your shaping Cataldi to be some sleezy lazy unworthy player when he has poured out his feelings for the club. You show more love to Djordevic who is true waste of space than Cataldi who would do anything to pursue his career here and would bleed himself dry for the team.

I don't mind debating matters but there is a lot of inventions here on Cataldi that have no worth. Why should I argue and listen to something that is totally made up. Yes of course I will not show respect to lies, the same way someone may lie about you at your workplace.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 19, 2017, 08:03:35 PM
Il messareggo is claiming Inzaghi chose Lulic for the captaincy, while Lazio management wants Parolo.

If true, can't say I'm surprised. We know Lotito has a whole lot of love for Parolo, but I'd be surprised if Lotito got involved purely because he likes Parolo.

But Lulic becoming captain is bad for the club's global image, and I did wonder if someone else might be preferred with that in mind.

Was thinking exactly thesame.  Lotito doesn't tend to interfere at all so if the club would have it might indeed be about the 'so called' rascial thing with Rudiger.  Lazio has been scared since Di Canio that way (also mostly due the european press), so avoiding the previous thing to hit the press again might be an issue for the club.

I can already see it 'rightwing affeliated Lazio pick a rascially abusing captain'. 
The agressive left sportsmedia in my region would certainly pick an announcement not far from what i suggest.  :rolley:

But personally i don't care if they do, Lulic all the way for me.  Forza Capitano Senad.  :sciarpa05:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 19, 2017, 08:06:57 PM
@Sile: I do think the Rüdiger saga might come or have come into consideration, yes. Forget our opinions; the media will make a point of the Lazio captain being a racist. And it wouldn't surprise me if Lazuo don't want to go there.

@Cataldi4thewin: If you think I'm making up stuff and spreading lies about Cataldi to create a certain image of him, I've no interest carrying forward a debate and neither should you.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Sile on July 19, 2017, 08:13:39 PM
Lulic apologised and that is water under the bridge. But his contribution to the team is lasting and his fighting spirit is what we need in a captain.
That is what we should look for in a captain, not base our choice on the opinions of the unwashed masses
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 19, 2017, 08:32:18 PM
Lulic apologised and that is water under the bridge. But his contribution to the team is lasting and his fighting spirit is what we need in a captain.
That is what we should look for in a captain, not base our choice on the opinions of the unwashed masses

Not a single soul here would disagree with your post Sile (i think and hope), but these are matters a club thinks about even when they don't care personally themselves.  The pen is mightier then the sword, the media will always have a big influence, no matter how many morons nowadays call themselves reporters.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cataldi4thewin on July 19, 2017, 08:37:44 PM

@Cataldi4thewin: If you think I'm making up stuff and spreading lies about Cataldi to create a certain image of him, I've no interest carrying forward a debate and neither should you.

Agreed.

Though how did Lulic being captain get on the transfer thread.

Di Gennaro coming into the team. This is an eventual replacement for Djordevic for the duties of cleaning the team dishes.

A free signing that doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Surely our central midfield is packed already. At Cagliari there was JoaoPedro Dessena Cigarini Padoin ionita Isla all better than Di Gennaro that could have played a midfield position.

Not impressed by this signing.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 19, 2017, 08:49:11 PM
Though how did Lulic being captain get on the transfer thread.

I noted this as part of another post, to lazy at the time to change topics.   :twinkle:

Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 19, 2017, 08:54:11 PM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/QGzPdYCcBbbZm/giphy.gif)

This is for all the social justice/keyboard warriors complaining about Lulic after that Rudiger incident.

Couldn't think of a better captain, daje Senad!
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 19, 2017, 08:56:03 PM
Reports about Hetemaj now, The Igli Tare favorite.

Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: phantomm1976 on July 19, 2017, 09:25:29 PM
 Lulic- Lazio captain ......Once again Inzaghi message to everyone : I understand this team-I m part of this team almost two decade.....and whats strange here. We have a pol here-Senad win...
 A lot of us was for this(Senad as the captain) even two years before....
 Cataldi on loan - good deal
 Di Gennaro - I dont know
 Keita situation becomes to be a big problem
 Inzaghi is the man for this Lazio. Daje Simone finish this drama and make the team ready for new season.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Evesto on July 19, 2017, 09:59:01 PM
Tare commented on Keita's absence in today's game again.

' Inzaghi has seen him nervous in the last couple of days '       :rolley:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Akha on July 19, 2017, 10:11:00 PM
Reports about Hetemaj now, The Igli Tare favorite.

Just for the old times' sake I checked Lugano and Hugo Almeida - the former has contract with Sao Paulo 'till December this year, while the latter is tied with AEK untill 2k18  :beer:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Alsalman on July 19, 2017, 10:14:26 PM
Lulic apologised and that is water under the bridge. But his contribution to the team is lasting and his fighting spirit is what we need in a captain.
That is what we should look for in a captain, not base our choice on the opinions of the unwashed masses

I actually believe he would be a horrible captain. His fighting spirit normally results in him making dumb decisions without using his head... hence fighting with team members in training , stomping on opposition players and racist comments.


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I am not a fan of what's being done so far... not a fan of the loaning out of cataldi who is a good player with potential.

Cataldi gets a lot of hate because of his stupidity when he celebrated against Lazio with that ingrate pandev...

Though remember the guy is still a kid and I hope he develops into a good serieA player. He never got a chance at Lazio that he deserved perhaps because tare did not spend money on him to bring him in.

As for Biglia our best midfielder we did well to get 20 million for him considering his age. He will be missed... though again so much hate for the guy even though he always did his best on the field for the club was brought in for 8 and sold for 20 ... Lol

DeVrij is doing the same as biglia and none of you even said a word.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: phantomm1976 on July 19, 2017, 11:16:57 PM
 Lulic as the captain could means :
-more responsabilty's -except fighting 100 %
-responsability could made him use his brain more
-the coach and team respect his work until now
-the fans are happy.
 Simply,great decision.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: lazioserbia on July 20, 2017, 12:55:24 AM
Il messareggo is claiming Inzaghi chose Lulic for the captaincy, while Lazio management wants Parolo.

If true, can't say I'm surprised. We know Lotito has a whole lot of love for Parolo, but I'd be surprised if Lotito got involved purely because he likes Parolo.

But Lulic becoming captain is bad for the club's global image, and I did wonder if someone else might be preferred with that in mind.

Isn't it pretty annoying that Lotito considers that he can have a say in who is going to be the captain? Let's leave the pitch to the players...

Socks and belts  :fingerup:

We are always going to be seen as a racist club and our players will always be accused of this shit...who cares anyway?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: HITMAN on July 20, 2017, 03:09:00 AM
WTF!!!!!!!!!! Kolarov to Roma!!!!!! This is one BIG betrayal!!!! We could have signed him for 6 millions! I just dont belive this!!!! ffffffuuuuckkkkk merdaaa
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: sniperpon on July 20, 2017, 04:24:23 AM
From a personal standpoint, I don't get moves like the Kolarov one-- surely there were other places he could have gone. I guess it really is just service to the highest bidder, no matter what.

Setting that aside, and also with the caveat that the mercato is still young, I can't escape this nagging feeling that the team is getting weaker at the moment, especially if Keita and de Vrij depart, and are replaced with Lucas-level equivalents (my Premier League-obsessed friends all describe him as "washed up"-- then again, he's actually younger than Biglia).

Someone needs to reason some optimism into me. I'm scared of two competitions, without a real injection of quality to replace outbound players.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Secret_Samadhi on July 20, 2017, 07:18:46 AM
Where did you guys heard about Kolarov to merda? Didn't he said one month ago he wouldn't mind come back to Lazio?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: flurffmeister on July 20, 2017, 08:21:20 AM
So we are signing Di Gennaro now as a backup and you are all happy about it ? Di Gennaro who's almost 30 played and 3 years ago was playing in serie c, no wonder he dwelled all his career in bottom placed teams  , so now at the age of 30 he  is all of sudden a decent backup for Lucas who in my opinion is not fit to tie the shoes of Biglia's, i cant see this transfer any better than Vignarolli's Cristian Keller's , Postiga's , Saha's but hell yeah this is Lotito, And all the bashing and hate to Cataldi who celebrated naturally without being aware of the consequences and apologizing later on i mean have you already forgotten what Anderson did last summer? or Ledesma when he took Lazio to court? or Keita , or Stendardo seems like your spilling your rage on the only player we should wrap around with love and support wishing him to excel at his new team and come back to us and become a bandiera !
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 20, 2017, 08:56:55 AM
I'm really lost on this forum these days. Honestly, I find there's 4 or 5 people who talk a lot of sense and everyone else is making none to me.

Some people here are saying the club should spend 10-15 million on a player to be vice-Immobile, a player who is likely to get less than 1000 minutes this season if Immobile remains healthy, a player who is likely to be a foreigner and who Inzaghi won't really want because he's said he wants Italian-based players (and there's rumours to that effect).

Yet they've an issue with Lazio signing an Italian midfielder for FREE to be a back-up for a season or two, a player who has had two good seasons in Serie B and a very good half season in Serie A before he was dropped for reasons not related to his performance and for what reason? Because of some sort of loyalty to a Benevento player and the Argentine national team? Because it's time to move on from Cataldi and Biglia - the club have.

I accept that Di Gennaro is no world-beater, but he's one of the better Italian-based midfielders that is within our price range and that's what the manager wants and that shouldn't be hard to understand.

Also should be clear that 20 million for a 31 year-old who doesn't want to stay at your club and has one year on his contract is an absolute no-brainer of a sale, and if the club are so desperate to get rid of Cataldi, they must have their reasons when the club still keep Kishna around and the dude can't lift his legs off the ground he's that lazy.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: flurffmeister on July 20, 2017, 09:18:03 AM
I'm really lost on this forum these days. Honestly, I find there's 4 or 5 people who talk a lot of sense and everyone else is making none to me.

Some people here are saying the club should spend 10-15 million on a player to be vice-Immobile, a player who is likely to get less than 1000 minutes this season if Immobile remains healthy, a player who is likely to be a foreigner and who Inzaghi won't really want because he's said he wants Italian-based players (and there's rumours to that effect).

Yet they've an issue with Lazio signing an Italian midfielder for FREE to be a back-up for a season or two, a player who has had two good seasons in Serie B and a very good half season in Serie A before he was dropped for reasons not related to his performance and for what reason? Because of some sort of loyalty to a Benevento player and the Argentine national team? Because it's time to move on from Cataldi and Biglia - the club have.

I accept that Di Gennaro is no world-beater, but he's one of the better Italian-based midfielders that is within our price range and that's what the manager wants and that shouldn't be hard to understand.

Also should be clear that 20 million for a 31 year-old who doesn't want to stay at your club and has one year on his contract is an absolute no-brainer of a sale, and if the club are so desperate to get rid of Cataldi, they must have their reasons when the club still keep Kishna around and the dude can't lift his legs off the ground he's that lazy.

Are you aware that Di Gennaro had 19 match with Palermo in 2 seasons? are you aware he has 83 matches in total in Serie a? and at 29 the best team to play for was Palermo who played him 19 times in 2 seasons? so we brought this guy as a backup for Leiva but how exactly is he better than Murgia?moreover even as a back up he wasnt good enough for Palermo in Serie a , had 27 out of 42 apps with Cagliari in serie b, Please explain to me what sense are you trying to put in us? IF you don't like what you are reading Cathal and if you think i am and some users arenot making sense just ignore the posts.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: blue-white on July 20, 2017, 09:30:10 AM
@flurffmeister

You are speaking about Di Gennaro as someone like Keller, Saha, ....

Did you see that coming for Kolarov, Lichtsteiner, Lulic too?

Di Gennaro is for sure no one who will shine all season long as a superstar, but he is a player who can play everywhere in the midfield, he comes here for free!!!, and he knows his role here exactly.
He knows italian football and can be a better back up than many other back ups we had in recent years.

This negativity when we sign a player from a lower club is something which makes me sick. Getting this player for free is a good move. There is no risk. And it's for sure no player where we can say ... no one knows him. No one is interested in him...

About Biglia and Leiva. Lucas Leiva played 10 years for Liverpool. He was respected from players and fans. A player with character and heart for playing football. He had no problem to fight for his place in the first 11 even when younger players arrived.

In the same way we sold a crying baby for 20 mill who is one year older than Lucas Leiva, who played for Anderlecht before joining Lazio....
If Biglia is that good, i'm asking myself why he didn't already played for a bigger club in a better league before he joned Lazio??!!

If Lucas Leiva fits into Lazio and this transfer will be a win for the club, we don't know now. We can't know. But what exactly doesn't bring Leiva into Lazio what Biglia did??? :whistle:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: flurffmeister on July 20, 2017, 09:32:26 AM
@flurffmeister

You are speaking about Di Gennaro as someone like Keller, Saha, ....

Did you see that coming for Kolarov, Lichtsteiner, Lulic too?

Di Gennaro is for sure no one who will shine all season long as a superstar, but he is a player who can play everywhere in the midfield, he comes here for free!!!, and he knows his role here exactly.
He knows italian football and can be a better back up than many other back ups we had in recent years.

This negativity when we sign a player from a lower club is something which makes me sick. Getting this player for free is a good move. There is no risk. And it's for sure no player where we can say ... no one knows him. No one is interested in him...

About Biglia and Leiva. Lucas Leiva played 10 years for Liverpool. He was respected from players and fans. A player with character and heart for playing football. He had no problem to fight for his place in the first 11 even when younger players arrived.

In the same way we sold a crying baby for 20 mill who is one year older than Lucas Leiva, who played for Anderlecht before joining Lazio....
If Biglia is that good, i'm asking myself why he didn't already played for a bigger club in a better league before he joned Lazio??!!

If Lucas Leiva fits into Lazio and this transfer will be a win for the club, we don't know now. We can't know. But what exactly doesn't bring Leiva into Lazio what Biglia did??? :whistle:

Id rather give more playing time to Murgia and Cataldi instead of this shit of a player who played 83 matches in serie over the past 13 years and will surely get plenty of playing time this season since we have 3 fronts. Wasn't good enough to Palermo's bench now he is good enough for your Lazio?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: blue-white on July 20, 2017, 09:33:02 AM
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so we brought this guy as a backup for Leiva but how exactly is he better than Murgia?

wait....
who said that Di Gennaro is better than Murgia?

and who said that Di Gennaro is a back up FOR Leiva?....Di Gennaro can play everywhere in the midfield.
And Murgia can also be a back up for Parolo and Lulic.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: flurffmeister on July 20, 2017, 09:35:07 AM
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so we brought this guy as a backup for Leiva but how exactly is he better than Murgia?

wait....
who said that Di Gennaro is better than Murgia?

and who said that Di Gennaro is a back up FOR Leiva?....Di Gennaro can play everywhere in the midfield.
And Murgia can also be a back up for Parolo and Lulic.

He is a DMC/MC mainly unless you wanna play him striker ? then we can put immobile to play in midfield.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 20, 2017, 09:35:24 AM
Are you aware that Di Gennaro had 19 match with Palermo in 2 seasons? are you aware he has 83 matches in total in Serie a? and at 29 the best team to play for was Palermo who played him 19 times in 2 seasons? so we brought this guy as a backup for Leiva but how exactly is he better than Murgia?moreover even as a back up he wasnt good enough for Palermo in Serie a , had 27 out of 42 apps with Cagliari in serie b, Please explain to me what sense are you trying to put in us? IF you don't like what you are reading Cathal and if you think i am and some users arenot making sense just ignore the posts.

I don't have any personal issue with anyone here, but I'm seeing a culture developing around here that I don't like and don't think has any place in the forum. It's almost as if people are twisting facts to fit some sort of persona they've adopted for themselves, like they are some sort of WWE wrestler or something.

I respect you flurff, but as soon as you say 'are you aware that Di Gennaro had 19 match with Palermo in 2 seasons', the first thing that comes to mind is 'why is fluff not talking about the successful loan spell in Vicenza during those 2 seasons?'

And the most obvious explanation is that you've made up your mind Di Gennaro is a bad signing, so now you feel you have to rewrite history to back up your argument.

I'm not trying to put any sense in anyone, I have no interest in educating anyone but I'm not going to put up with people twisting facts and calling me the liar.

wait....
who said that Di Gennaro is better than Murgia?

and who said that Di Gennaro is a back up FOR Leiva?...

And this is another problem the forum suffers at the minute - putting words in people's mouths and then arguing with them about it, but the only people who have said it are the people claiming it was someone else.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Alsalman on July 20, 2017, 09:38:28 AM
I'm really lost on this forum these days. Honestly, I find there's 4 or 5 people who talk a lot of sense and everyone else is making none to me.

Some people here are saying the club should spend 10-15 million on a player to be vice-Immobile, a player who is likely to get less than 1000 minutes this season if Immobile remains healthy, a player who is likely to be a foreigner and who Inzaghi won't really want because he's said he wants Italian-based players (and there's rumours to that effect).

Yet they've an issue with Lazio signing an Italian midfielder for FREE to be a back-up for a season or two, a player who has had two good seasons in Serie B and a very good half season in Serie A before he was dropped for reasons not related to his performance and for what reason? Because of some sort of loyalty to a Benevento player and the Argentine national team? Because it's time to move on from Cataldi and Biglia - the club have.

I accept that Di Gennaro is no world-beater, but he's one of the better Italian-based midfielders that is within our price range and that's what the manager wants and that shouldn't be hard to understand.

Also should be clear that 20 million for a 31 year-old who doesn't want to stay at your club and has one year on his contract is an absolute no-brainer of a sale, and if the club are so desperate to get rid of Cataldi, they must have their reasons when the club still keep Kishna around and the dude can't lift his legs off the ground he's that lazy.

Are you aware that Di Gennaro had 19 match with Palermo in 2 seasons? are you aware he has 83 matches in total in Serie a? and at 29 the best team to play for was Palermo who played him 19 times in 2 seasons? so we brought this guy as a backup for Leiva but how exactly is he better than Murgia?moreover even as a back up he wasnt good enough for Palermo in Serie a , had 27 out of 42 apps with Cagliari in serie b, Please explain to me what sense are you trying to put in us? IF you don't like what you are reading Cathal and if you think i am and some users arenot making sense just ignore the posts.

Cathal, no one is debating that 20 million is good for Biglia or not (it is). We are just saying the following:-







What I don't understand is that we keep saying that we cannot afford anyone and yet we fail to see that we are wasting money on scrubs and not reinvesting the money generated from sales
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Stefano6 on July 20, 2017, 09:41:40 AM

And the most obvious explanation is that you've made up your mind Di Gennaro is a bad signing, so now you feel you have to rewrite history to back up your argument.


And this is another problem the forum suffers at the minute - putting words in people's mouths and then arguing with them about it.

These are the 2 of the 3 things that reallllly piss me off about this place, the 3rd being what BlueWhite said that there is this attitude that any player who joins us from a team lower in the standings is automatically "shit" regardless of circumstance, history or price.

I get some people just want to moan, some want excuses to point the finger at Lotito, some are just naturally pessimistic, and some simply have too high expectations and are living in the past when we were big spenders. I get that everyone looks at signings and news differently.

But there comes a point when peoples opinion loses credibility because its just the same repeated phrases and complaints without basis.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: flurffmeister on July 20, 2017, 09:44:21 AM
Are you aware that Di Gennaro had 19 match with Palermo in 2 seasons? are you aware he has 83 matches in total in Serie a? and at 29 the best team to play for was Palermo who played him 19 times in 2 seasons? so we brought this guy as a backup for Leiva but how exactly is he better than Murgia?moreover even as a back up he wasnt good enough for Palermo in Serie a , had 27 out of 42 apps with Cagliari in serie b, Please explain to me what sense are you trying to put in us? IF you don't like what you are reading Cathal and if you think i am and some users arenot making sense just ignore the posts.

I don't have any personal issue with anyone here, but I'm seeing a culture developing around here that I don't like and don't think has any place in the forum. It's almost as if people are twisting facts to fit some sort of persona they've adopted for themselves, like they are some sort of WWE wrestler or something.

I respect you flurff, but as soon as you say 'are you aware that Di Gennaro had 19 match with Palermo in 2 seasons', the first thing that comes to mind is 'why is fluff not talking about the successful loan spell in Vicenza during those 2 seasons?'

And the most obvious explanation is that you've made up your mind Di Gennaro is a bad signing, so now you feel you have to rewrite history to back up your argument.

I'm not trying to put any sense in anyone, I have no interest in educating anyone but I'm not going to put up with people twisting facts and calling me the liar.

wait....
who said that Di Gennaro is better than Murgia?

and who said that Di Gennaro is a back up FOR Leiva?...

And this is another problem the forum suffers at the minute - putting words in people's mouths and then arguing with them about it, but the only people who have said it are the people claiming it was someone else.

Because this is Serie B, he couldn't prove himself in Serie A over the last 13 years and for Cagliari Dessena and Cigarini and Joao were miles ahead of him ,he is simply not a Serie a caliber he got so many opportunities in Serie a yet he failed  everytime, i dont understand what addition he will bring to this squad because he will have lots of playing time since like i said we are competing on 3 fronts. Waste of money and waste of playing time for youngsters.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: randy_laziale on July 20, 2017, 09:47:01 AM
Di Gennaro got his medical check up today.. yes he is no superstar, but he can play any position in midfield, so he is useful.. good luck for him.. take a glimpse at his career history, Lazio is the biggest club he will play for, so i hope it's motivate him and he can give 100% on the field..

maybe he'll have best season ever while play for us, who knows.. time will tell..

 :laziostend: :laziostend:

 
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: flurffmeister on July 20, 2017, 09:48:39 AM

And the most obvious explanation is that you've made up your mind Di Gennaro is a bad signing, so now you feel you have to rewrite history to back up your argument.


And this is another problem the forum suffers at the minute - putting words in people's mouths and then arguing with them about it.

These are the 2 of the 3 things that reallllly piss me off about this place, the 3rd being what BlueWhite said that there is this attitude that any player who joins us from a team lower in the standings is automatically "shit" regardless of circumstance, history or price.

I get some people just want to moan, some want excuses to point the finger at Lotito, some are just naturally pessimistic, and some simply have too high expectations and are living in the past when we were big spenders. I get that everyone looks at signings and news differently.

But there comes a point when peoples opinion loses credibility because its just the same repeated phrases and complaints without basis.

So Basically you are saying that a player who flopped at Palermo , Reggina , and Cagliari is a player you'd welcome warmly into our squad.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Stefano6 on July 20, 2017, 09:56:15 AM
Yes, because he didnt flop, he is simply a standard squad player which is all he will be here. You need to learn there is a vast difference between a star player in a title winning team and a flop. 99% of players fall into this "normal" category.

And, hes free for have funs sake. People bitch about how Lotito wastes money, about how the club needs more Italians, about how we lack backups of a decent quality when he lose a player due to injury or fatigue.. then we go out and get an italian backup of decent quality, for free, and suddenly thats not good enough either!

Di Gennaro wants us.. if he hadnt been waiting for us, he would already have signed for Galatasaray who were prepared to offer him a contract. Obviously most will say "ah but the Turkish league is shit" but a lot of good players have gone to them, and they are consistently title challengers and in Europe (well, until they got banned!). And hes deemed good enough for them.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: flurffmeister on July 20, 2017, 09:59:32 AM
Yes, because he didnt flop, he is simply a standard squad player which is all he will be here. You need to learn there is a vast difference between a star player in a title winning team and a flop. 99% of players fall into this "normal" category.

And, hes free for have funs sake. People bitch about how Lotito wastes money, about how the club needs more Italians, about how we lack backups of a decent quality when he lose a player due to injury or fatigue.. then we go out and get an italian backup of decent quality, for free, and suddenly thats not good enough either!

Who Exactly asked for a star? if i asked for a start i would have expected my Lazio to win the title this year, how did you exactly know that he is a decent italian backup? looks like you haven't missed any of Cagliari's games last season? because his record says otherwise it says he is awful for serie a.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Stefano6 on July 20, 2017, 10:01:19 AM
You didnt specifically ask for a star, but thats the underlying attitude of the majority here.. unless the player we are linked to/sign is a big name player coming from a top 3 team, then hes "shit" regardless of who he is or where he came from.

And I know hes a decent backup because I have eyes and have seen him play. As has been stated multiple times, he isnt going to win the World Cup or the Ballon D'or anytime soon, but as a solid backup, squad player, he can and will do a job when asked.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: flurffmeister on July 20, 2017, 10:07:59 AM
You didnt specifically ask for a star, but thats the underlying attitude of the majority here.. unless the player we are linked to/sign is a big name player coming from a top 3 team, then hes "shit" regardless of who he is or where he came from.

And I know hes a decent backup because I have eyes and have seen him play. As has been stated multiple times, he isnt going to win the World Cup or the Ballon D'or anytime soon, but as a solid backup, squad player, he can and will do a job when asked.

Di Gennaro is an awful player not suited for Serie a and historically speaking most of the teams sacked him , i don't think anyone was asking for a star here , they're just asking for someone good enough to fit the squad not some free unproven player who comes from the bench of a midtable team had a couple of good seasons to his name in serie b and at the age of 29 he still couldn't find a decent playing time in any of the 20 serie a teams, is this the attitude you are talking about?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 20, 2017, 10:12:08 AM
I'd really encourage some people to actually do some homework on Di Gennaro last season at Cagliari.

He was one of their best players; he was one of the best midfield players outside a Top 6 or 7 club until February/March. Then when it was clear he wouldn't renew and Cagliari were safe, like any club would do, they dropped him.

I'm quite sure no one here watched enough Cagliari games to know how good Di Gennaro was last season - that's why I did my homework.

Saying Di Gennaro flopped at Cagliari is like saying today that Keita is a Lazio flop because he didn't play against Triestina last night or that Marchetti was a Cagliari reject when we signed him.

I'm not saying Di Gennaro is a signing that will work out; I just realise that if I write him off now, there's a chance I look like an idiot in a couple of years.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: flurffmeister on July 20, 2017, 10:14:18 AM
I'd really encourage some people to actually do some homework on Di Gennaro last season at Cagliari.

He was one of their best players; he was one of the best midfield players outside a Top 6 or 7 club until February/March. Then when it was clear he wouldn't renew and Cagliari were safe, like any club would do, they dropped him.

Saying Di Gennaro flopped at Cagliari is like saying today that Keita is a Lazio flop because he didn't play against Triestina last night or that Marchetti was a Cagliari reject when we signed him.

I'm not saying Di Gennaro is a signing that will work out; I just realise that if I write him off now, there's a chance I look like an idiot in a couple of years.

i would be lying to say that i have watched him playing closely , actually all of you would be lying as well to claim it but from the videos that i have watched and from the historical data that i got in my hands everything is suggesting that he is not Lazio material (unless you want to finish bottom midtable then yes he is a very good backup).
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Alsalman on July 20, 2017, 10:18:30 AM
You didnt specifically ask for a star, but thats the underlying attitude of the majority here.. unless the player we are linked to/sign is a big name player coming from a top 3 team, then hes "shit" regardless of who he is or where he came from.


I don't think that's the case, fans want to get players they know can add value or develop into something (which is something difficult to assess at times). When Felipe Anderson was bought in did many people complain? (smaller team) when Marchetti was brought in? Biglia? Had we bought Veratti from Pescara before he went to PSG would people be up in arms?

I am all for buying Italian players... and I welcome Di Gennaro but at what expense? Selling Cataldi a young Italian Homegrown player who just represented the Italian under21 team (which on paper is one of the better European under21 teams at the moment)... Is Di Gennaro that much better than Cataldi? Wouldn't it have been better to develop cataldi and muriga with those bench minutes and European games?

Cataldi made mistakes, but he is 22 years old... who of us at 22 didn't do dumb things? Is he black listed because of that celebration incident? or because his agent asked for more playing time?

Who knows and we can't change the fact that we loaned him with an option to buy now...

Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Stefano6 on July 20, 2017, 10:29:22 AM
I know im not alone in that I wanted Cataldi to stay, but it was the club who decided to get rid of him, not the player.

Had Cataldi remained then im sure we wouldnt be signing Di Gennaro - not necessarily because one is better than the other, but simply because we wouldnt have the requirement.

As for past signings, I dont remember the comments around Anderson but im sure that there were some that will have posted the usual "oh look another unknown from south america, typical lotito" etc.
And im 100% sure that there would have been complaints had we signed Verratti, "Serie B player, only had 1 season" etc.

Thats the nature of football I guess, its almost always hindsight that shows us to be right or wrong, and there are so many factors in whether a player is a success at a club or not that its almost impossible to judge a signing. Even Ronaldo could potentially have failed at Madrid due to no fault of his own.

What I have issues with however is when people clearly make their mind up before the player has even put foot in the dressing room.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: flurffmeister on July 20, 2017, 10:37:44 AM
I know im not alone in that I wanted Cataldi to stay, but it was the club who decided to get rid of him, not the player.

Had Cataldi remained then im sure we wouldnt be signing Di Gennaro - not necessarily because one is better than the other, but simply because we wouldnt have the requirement.

As for past signings, I dont remember the comments around Anderson but im sure that there were some that will have posted the usual "oh look another unknown from south america, typical lotito" etc.
And im 100% sure that there would have been complaints had we signed Verratti, "Serie B player, only had 1 season" etc.

Thats the nature of football I guess, its almost always hindsight that shows us to be right or wrong, and there are so many factors in whether a player is a success at a club or not that its almost impossible to judge a signing. Even Ronaldo could potentially have failed at Madrid due to no fault of his own.

What I have issues with however is when people clearly make their mind up before the player has even put foot in the dressing room.

There you are again rephrasing again , Verratti was 18 years promising player everyone would have welcomed him with wide arms open , De Gennaro is almost 30 and had shown nothing remarkable in the past.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Stefano6 on July 20, 2017, 10:39:04 AM
Im not rephrasing anything, im spectulating on what I believe the reaction would have been, based on experience of literally 90% of reactions to our signings in the past.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 20, 2017, 10:40:31 AM
i would be lying to say that i have watched him playing closely , actually all of you would be lying as well to claim it but from the videos that i have watched and from the historical data that i got in my hands everything is suggesting that he is not Lazio material (unless you want to finish bottom midtable then yes he is a very good backup).

He has 3-4 excellent years in Serie B and did well in A last season until he was dropped for reasons that seem to have nothing to do with football. I don't see how any amount of research could lead anyone to draw different conclusions.

Even if Di Gennaro was dropped for performance reasons last season, I recall Biava being pushed out of the Genoa XI before signing for Lazio. Managers can get it wrong sometimes.

For me, Di Gennaro is more of a guarantee for the upcoming season than Cataldi would have been and he's easier to trust in than Murgia or Crecco so for me, very obvious why Lazio are happy to add Di Gennaro to the team.

I actually expect Di Gennaro to be a player we throw on for 15-20 minutes in games against lesser opposition that are parking the bus because Di Gennaro has the qualities to play the role Luis Alberto did last season.

Considering we're trying to make Luis Alberto someone who can play in a deeper and more central role, I don't rule out that Inzaghi could tell Tare to sell Luis Alberto and show a bit of faith in Di Gennaro, who in all likelihood has a greater tactical understanding.

Thats the nature of football I guess, its almost always hindsight that shows us to be right or wrong

Agree, but I don't mind if people argue vehemently that a player will fail at Lazio - we did with Ravel Morrison - it's when facts appear to be distorted to make the case that I want to pull my hair out.

That's sort of been my issue with Biglia and Cataldi debates - I don't mind if people think they are great players and were loyal to Lazio and I can see why people feel that way, but at least recognise that there's stuff out there that might make some think otherwise.

With this market, I'm really on the fence. I can see every signing we have working out beautifully, I can also see all three flopping hard. Whereas in years gone by, I'd be a bit clearer on how things were going to turn out - for better or worse - and I think that's naturally comforting. So I get the rage.

There you are again rephrasing again , Verratti was 18 years promising player everyone would have welcomed him with wide arms open

I can say there would've been complaints about Verratti because if Lazio spent a lot of money on a kid who had done very little with his career at that point, I'd have had a problem with it. So no, not everyone.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: flurffmeister on July 20, 2017, 10:41:48 AM
Im not rephrasing anything, im spectulating on what I believe the reaction would have been, based on experience of literally 90% of reactions to our signings in the past.

Based on on bosman signings how many of them succeeded at our club (apart of Klose ) and please dont tell me Kolarov and licht , kolarov was purchased for 1.6 and licht for 3.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Stefano6 on July 20, 2017, 10:48:40 AM
Im not rephrasing anything, im spectulating on what I believe the reaction would have been, based on experience of literally 90% of reactions to our signings in the past.

Based on on bosman signings how many of them succeeded at our club (apart of Klose ) and please dont tell me Kolarov and licht , kolarov was purchased for 1.6 and licht for 3.


This post doesnt make any sense to me. The price is irrelevant. And you ask me to list Bosnan signings that work, then tell me not to choose two players who were not free anyway, so, I mean, do you think im too dumb to know what free means so I would have chosen those players? I dont get what youre trying to do.

Well, I do get what youre trying to do - youre trying to get people to say "yeah all our bosman signings fail" so you can say "see Di Gennaro will fail I am correct"

But youre not. Because you dont know he will fail. I admit that we dont know that he will succeed either, but the difference is we (as in me and Cathal who seem the only ones willing to give the guy a chance) have more realistic expectations about what to expect from him, wheras you have already made up your mind by looking at his appearance stats on transfermarket.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: flurffmeister on July 20, 2017, 10:51:45 AM
Im not rephrasing anything, im spectulating on what I believe the reaction would have been, based on experience of literally 90% of reactions to our signings in the past.

Based on on bosman signings how many of them succeeded at our club (apart of Klose ) and please dont tell me Kolarov and licht , kolarov was purchased for 1.6 and licht for 3.


This post doesnt make any sense to me. The price is irrelevant. And you ask me to list Bosnan signings that work, then tell me not to choose two players who were not free anyway, so, I mean, do you think im too dumb to know what free means so I would have chosen those players? I dont get what youre trying to do.

Well, I do get what youre trying to do - youre trying to get people to say "yeah all our bosman signings fail" so you can say "see Di Gennaro will fail I am correct"

But youre not. Because you dont know he will fail. I admit that we dont know that he will succeed either, but the difference is we (as in me and Cathal who seem the only ones willing to give the guy a chance) have more realistic expectations about what to expect from him, wheras you have already made up your mind by looking at his appearance stats on transfermarket.

What i am trying to tell you that from 2004 - present all the free players we have signed (excluding biava since he was not free) have all flopped , simply because no better team than Lazio were after them, typical Lotito signing just to make the squad complete regardless of the potential, and dont try to look bullshit me and say that you've been watching him play because you got your facts from the internet as well transfermarkt or wiki probably.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 20, 2017, 10:54:17 AM
I'd say Braafheid, Pereirinha, Bizzarri, Scaloni, Mutarelli, Tare, Mudingayi, Firmani, Ballotta, Di Canio all succeeded in doing at least what they were brought here to do. And I give Di Gennaro a chance of joining that list.

If you think Klose is the only one that succeeded flurff, then clearly it's your expectations I disagree with.

But flip it. How many big signings failed at our club?

Zarate, Carrizo, Makinwa - Tare could sign 1,000 free agents, they could all fail, and they'll not do as much harm to us as those three signings did.

Basta, Floccari, Matuzalem - I like them but did they live up to the price tag?

Wallace, Bastos, Leiva and Marusic have much to justify etc.

See what I'm getting at?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cnon on July 20, 2017, 10:55:12 AM
I'm never going to write off a player before seeing them play with my own eyes. That's why I don't have an opinion about Di Gennaro or Lucas Leiva or Matusic.

But I think I can explain other's doubts about the mercato. Or at least I can understand their attitude. Personally I want a core of 13-15 players who are masters of their style and playing positions, then I'd want ~5 good and versatile players who can adjust and play multiple positions and the rest of the squad can be youngsters or bench warmers. Now it seems that we are selling key players and bringing in more and more versatile players who are not good enough to become key players. Basically we move from ideal proportions to 9ish core players and 9ish semi ok versatile players and the rest. In other words we are going backwards as a club.

Also maybe I can try to explain what others might have meant with that they don't want players from a worse club. Imo we should always try to buy players from worse teams and leagues because there we can find cheap players who have potential to become key players for us. But we should always target for the star players of those teams or leagues and not bench warmers or failures. Matusic wasn't exactly a star player as far as I know and neither is Di Gennaro. Also Leiva is going backwards as a player. Now can you seriously say we are strenghtening the squad with these players? Personally I don't think so but I want to wait and see myself first before whining.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: flurffmeister on July 20, 2017, 11:01:23 AM
the thing is we expected De roon for 12 million euros as a Biglia replacement and ended up with Leiva and a shit vice Leiva, high expections , bad reality.From where i stand it is looking to me that many core members of this forum are falling in love with Lotito's work , so sad !
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 20, 2017, 11:05:45 AM
the thing is we expected De roon for 12 million euros as a Biglia replacement and ended up with Leiva and a shit vice Leiva, high expections , bad reality.From where i stand it is looking to me that many core members of this forum are falling in love with Lotito's work , so sad !

You'd have been elated with Lazio spending 12 million on De Roon?



Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Kaiser on July 20, 2017, 11:06:41 AM

And the most obvious explanation is that you've made up your mind Di Gennaro is a bad signing, so now you feel you have to rewrite history to back up your argument.


And this is another problem the forum suffers at the minute - putting words in people's mouths and then arguing with them about it.


These are the 2 of the 3 things that reallllly piss me off about this place, the 3rd being what BlueWhite said that there is this attitude that any player who joins us from a team lower in the standings is automatically "shit" regardless of circumstance, history or price.

I get some people just want to moan, some want excuses to point the finger at Lotito, some are just naturally pessimistic, and some simply have too high expectations and are living in the past when we were big spenders. I get that everyone looks at signings and news differently.

But there comes a point when peoples opinion loses credibility because its just the same repeated phrases and complaints without basis.

So Basically you are saying that a player who flopped at Palermo , Reggina , and Cagliari is a player you'd welcome warmly into our squad.
Candreva also was a flop when we signed him
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: flurffmeister on July 20, 2017, 11:09:15 AM
the thing is we expected De roon for 12 million euros as a Biglia replacement and ended up with Leiva and a shit vice Leiva, high expections , bad reality.From where i stand it is looking to me that many core members of this forum are falling in love with Lotito's work , so sad !

You'd have been elated with Lazio spending 12 million on De Roon?

No , but i'd expected that Leiva will be vice Biglia's replacement and the 14.5 million will be spent on a decent DMC.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cnon on July 20, 2017, 11:19:36 AM

There you are again rephrasing again , Verratti was 18 years promising player everyone would have welcomed him with wide arms open

I can say there would've been complaints about Verratti because if Lazio spent a lot of money on a kid who had done very little with his career at that point, I'd have had a problem with it. So no, not everyone.

I would have been mad if we would have paid anything over 9 million for him at the time. So no, I wouldn't have welcomed him arms wide open for that money. In the end it  worked but would have been a huge huge risk for us.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 20, 2017, 11:23:22 AM
No , but i'd expected that Leiva will be vice Biglia's replacement and the 14.5 million will be spent on a decent DMC.

Can't stress this enough, but I don't know where people have the idea that now Biglia is gone, we absolutely have to have two players who are virtual clones in our team. Would also say that for 14.5 million, I'd like to get more than a decent DMC. Di Gennaro could be described as a decent DMC but Di Gennaro is a very different player to Biglia, so is Lucas Leiva. It's not about positions or roles but assembling a team.

Lucas Leiva is more of a holding midfield player than Biglia. He might be able to help Lazio avoid conceding 50+ goals in Serie A this season and he might allow SMS to push forward and become a genuine talisman and might support Parolo in getting into double digits with his goal tally. He might also help us to make better use of Luis Alberto and Felipe Anderson.

On form, Biglia is clearly better than Leiva but Lazio's average league position with Biglia in the team has been 6th - 5th in the first two seasons, 7th in the next two seasons.

The only way you can improve a team is by changing things. Lazio's defensive setup needs to be improved to have any chance of making Top 4 next season which means it needs to be tweaked. I'm not sure what we're doing in the market is an improvement, but I'm glad changes are being made as I know keeping the same players together in the same positions is likely to lead to the same results and the same results are not what anyone wants.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Stefano6 on July 20, 2017, 11:30:04 AM


 and dont try to look bullshit me and say that you've been watching him play because you got your facts from the internet as well transfermarkt or wiki probably.

No actually, unlike you I make opinions on players because I have seen them play. I havnt watched every game he ever played, never said I did, but I have seen him play.

Unlike you, I do not google a player then decide by looking at some numbers that he sucks.
If I have not seen a player in action I will say as such, and therefore not offer an opinion on him until I have.

Apologies if this is too logical for you.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Alsalman on July 20, 2017, 11:43:01 AM
This is a good article I think that looks at the Lucas to Lucas transfers

http://www.football-italia.net/106045/leiva-different-lucas (http://www.football-italia.net/106045/leiva-different-lucas)

Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: flurffmeister on July 20, 2017, 11:48:42 AM


 and dont try to look bullshit me and say that you've been watching him play because you got your facts from the internet as well transfermarkt or wiki probably.

No actually, unlike you I make opinions on players because I have seen them play. I havnt watched every game he ever played, never said I did, but I have seen him play.

Unlike you, I do not google a player then decide by looking at some numbers that he sucks.
If I have not seen a player in action I will say as such, and therefore not offer an opinion on him until I have.

Apologies if this is too logical for you.

Cool life buddy , got nothing to do but watching Cagliari play? LOL, good one you almost had me.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Stefano6 on July 20, 2017, 11:53:33 AM
Whats your problem? I dont know if youre just being a dick, or if youre just looking for a way to discredit our opinion, which is based on seeing a player, not looking at numbers.

I never said that I had watched every game or that all I do is watch him. But I have seen him play a couple of times. So I like football and watched some games that arent Lazio, so shoot me. Serie A is on TV here in italy, who would have thought.

Apologies again if that is too difficult for you to understand. I could draw you a picture if you prefer.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Cathal on July 20, 2017, 11:54:08 AM
This is a good article I think that looks at the Lucas to Lucas transfers

Except for one small problem - author compares stats between Biglia and Leiva for last season, but for much of last season, Leiva was a centre-back so that point is moot. The overall argument of the article, I agree with.

Lucas Leiva has been the toughest tackler in the Premier League for years. Nowadays, it's Kante and Gueye - perhaps the best DM in the world and the player I said Lazio should sign two years ago as a replacement for Biglia if he left.

I think Lucas Leiva is an extremely logical signing. I do agree he might be past his best and there's no doubt in my mind Biglia is naturally a more gifted footballer, but on paper, he's one of very few players in world football who can fill Biglia's shoes in Inzaghi's system.

What I've found strange is that so many admirers of Biglia's game seem to despise a player who should bring to the team the fundamentals that Biglia did - tough tackling, distribution of the ball. That's really all Biglia did for Inzaghi and that's what I expect Inzaghi to ask Leiva to do.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: flurffmeister on July 20, 2017, 11:58:46 AM
Whats your problem? I dont know if youre just being a dick, or if youre just looking for a way to discredit our opinion, which is based on seeing a player, not looking at numbers.

I never said that I had watched every game or that all I do is watch him. But I have seen him play a couple of times. So I like football and watched some games that arent Lazio, so shoot me. Serie A is on TV here in italy, who would have thought.

Apologies again if that is too difficult for you to understand. I could draw you a picture if you prefer.

I hardly believe that you watched Cagliari playing and specifically Di Gennaro who played 20 times last term mostly as a sub and caught your eyes, anyway at least i am frank about it i never seen the player in action my facts are based on transfermarkt and google like you said and being a dick? don't try to undermine me.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: blue-white on July 20, 2017, 12:00:46 PM
Lucas Leiva has one big job what i expect and that's winning balls when the opponent attacks.
He just simply be infront of our defense to give them some extra power. And when winning the ball - making the game FASTER!!
Biglia slowed it down.

SMS and Parolo need more freedom. They need to concentrate more on attacking - especially SMS. That was not often possible last season.

Leiva is here to change that.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Stefano6 on July 20, 2017, 12:01:49 PM
I honestly dont get what is so difficult for you to understand, I cant put it in language any simpler.

I have seen him play. Caught my eye, no in the sense that hes not the eye catching sort of player. But he also performed well enough when ive seen him for me to form an opinion, and that opinion is "hes a decent player"

Thats literally all anyone has ever claimed him to be. A decent player who will do a job and is free. I dont know what more you want.

But as I say, youve clearly already made your mind up based on google, and youre not going to change your mind. So carry on thinking hes shit.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: Stefano6 on July 20, 2017, 12:06:06 PM
Whats hilarious is people making negative opinions on players that theyve never seen play.. and yet everyone was creaming themselves over Morrison who they also never had seen play...

Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: MCRLaziale on July 20, 2017, 12:11:49 PM
Lucas Leiva is a quality addition IMO; he's consistently played at a higher level than Biglia in club football, reads the game well and will add balance to the team. I don't understand the hate he, and his signing, are attracting.

Di Gennaro is practically zero risk; he's another who I think will surprise people.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2017-2018)
Post by: flurffmeister on July 20, 2017, 12:13:24 PM
Whats hilarious is people making negative opinions on players that theyve never seen play.. and yet everyone was creaming themselves over Morrison who they also never had seen play...