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Title: Serie A : SS Lazio - FC Crotone 4-0 , 23/12/2017
Post by: Evesto on December 23, 2017, 12:04:33 PM
SS Lazio - FC Crotone  4-0

(http://www.footballuser.com/formations/2017/12/1649058_SS_Lazio.jpg)(http://www.footballuser.com/formations/2017/12/1649059_Crotone.jpg)

56' Lukaku (Immobile)
78' Immobile (Lulic)
86' Lulic (Anderson)
89' Anderson (Parolo)


subs: Lulic (Milinkovic), Leiva (Murgia), Anderson (Luis Alberto)
subs: Tonev (Stoian), Faraoni (Sampirisi), Simy (Budimir)

highlights:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BovKt6ffFos (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BovKt6ffFos)

positional & situational reports:
https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1225312/MatchReport/Italy-Serie-A-2017-2018-Lazio-Crotone (https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1225312/MatchReport/Italy-Serie-A-2017-2018-Lazio-Crotone)
Title: Re: Serie A : SS Lazio - FC Crotone 4-0 , 23/12/2017
Post by: eleven on December 23, 2017, 02:28:11 PM
Lulic in midfield changed the game, well done, maybe he should be tried more on this position and Lukaku given more chances in left wing
Title: Re: Serie A : SS Lazio - FC Crotone 4-0 , 23/12/2017
Post by: Evesto on December 23, 2017, 02:34:53 PM
Lulic in midfield changed the game, well done, maybe he should be tried more on this position and Lukaku given more chances in left wing

Really not a fan of this tactic wich was used mostly in the first half, since it's much harder to dominate. 
All that luxuary up front but a little shortage on central midfield. 

But thrilled with the 3 points, incredibly important this result.
Title: Re: Serie A : SS Lazio - FC Crotone 4-0 , 23/12/2017
Post by: BioHazarD on December 23, 2017, 02:35:17 PM
Lulic in midfield changed the game, well done, maybe he should be tried more on this position and Lukaku given more chances in left wing

Indeed he did, he can play anywhere on the field, as long as he doesn't make silly mistakes he can be a top man. I also notice we struggle usually until the first goal and after that, we get fully unleashed, maybe Inzaghi should focus on the first half more and start getting FA as a started from now on.
Title: Re: Serie A : SS Lazio - FC Crotone 4-0 , 23/12/2017
Post by: Evesto on December 23, 2017, 02:41:09 PM
Very fond of Luis Alberto, so lightfooted and smart.  We should realize that he alone cracked this game and openend it up.  Again with a topclass pass along the line to launch Ciro who layed of for Lukaku.

He can deliver te killer pass or finish things of any time of the game.  One does not bench an Alberto.
One also doesn't bench a Sergej, a fit Anderson and a Ciro. 
Again the luxuary up front must be killing Inzaghi to make choices.

But gave my vote to Parolo today.  A monster on midfield the whole game and delivered an assist later on as the cherry on the cake.

 :bravo:

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Very happe for Felipe as well.  Needed one attack to provide the assist, topclass.

Lulic made 2 clear assists, but Marusic decided to make a fieldgoal instead of putting it below the bar.
Title: Re: Serie A : SS Lazio - FC Crotone 4-0 , 23/12/2017
Post by: edo_shehb on December 23, 2017, 02:41:52 PM
Lulic in midfield changed the game, well done, maybe he should be tried more on this position and Lukaku given more chances in left wing

before the goal, every move lukaku made was fail by the crotone defender

even after the goal, we almost giveaway the lead, we really should stop with short pass from the GK to the defense line stuff, like we need more thing to worry about
  :roll_eyes:

and its great to see FA slowly build his way into the team, soon inzaghi will have trouble pick one of LA or FA to start the match (dont see them both to start in Inzaghi's gameplay, but who know), yaaaayy!! :bravo:
Title: Re: Serie A : SS Lazio - FC Crotone 4-0 , 23/12/2017
Post by: eleven on December 23, 2017, 02:42:20 PM
Lulic in midfield changed the game, well done, maybe he should be tried more on this position and Lukaku given more chances in left wing

Really not a fan of this tactic since it's much harder to dominate. 
All that luxuary up front but shortage on central midfield. 

Domination yes, but like today no
Not saying it should be a full time tactic, but against smaller sides should be an option
Title: Re: Serie A : SS Lazio - FC Crotone 4-0 , 23/12/2017
Post by: edo_shehb on December 23, 2017, 02:43:47 PM
Very fond of Luis Alberto, so lightfooted and smart.  We should realize that he alone cracked this game and openend it up.  Again with a topclass pass along the line to launch Ciro who layed of for Lukaku.

He can deliver te killer pass or finish things of any time of the game.  One does not bench an Alberto.
One also doesn't bench a Sergej, a fit Anderson and a Ciro. 
Again the luxuary up front must be killing Inzaghi to make choices.


But gave my vote to Parolo today.  A monster on midfield the whole game and delivered an assist later on as the cherry on the cake.

 :bravo:

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Very happe for Felipe as well.  Needed one attack to provide the assist, topclass.

Lulic made 2 clear assists, but Marusic decided to make a fieldgoal instead of putting it below the bar.

as I were saying,  I dont think Inzaghi would start them both (FA & LA) anytime soon
Title: Re: Serie A : SS Lazio - FC Crotone 4-0 , 23/12/2017
Post by: stefano_40 on December 23, 2017, 02:47:01 PM
Nothing really suggested that Lukaku should be started instead of Lulic. Sampirisi had him in his pocket for a full hour before he managed to break away. I don't think Lulic personally has been bad the past few games either, more so the team was performing badly.

It has now gotten to that point that we were expecting: Felipe, Alberto and SMS fighting for two spots. And Anderson has to play in my honest opinion. Big headaches for Inzaghi ahead.

On a side note, I was extremely happy with Murgia.
Title: Re: Serie A : SS Lazio - FC Crotone 4-0 , 23/12/2017
Post by: edo_shehb on December 23, 2017, 02:58:35 PM
oh and somebody (peruzzi perhaps?) need to smack young strakosha in the head, many time to stop him keep making that kind of horrendous, unnecessary, stupid mistake :wuzz:
Title: Re: Serie A : SS Lazio - FC Crotone 4-0 , 23/12/2017
Post by: valdanito on December 23, 2017, 03:02:54 PM
Lulic mom for me.

Good solid 3 points but we should have put in a better attitude in the first half. Sms and luis alberto oknky showed up for the last 45 and with lulicand leiva entrance we started to click. Happy for anderson, its a great weapon to have on the bench.
Title: Re: Serie A : SS Lazio - FC Crotone 4-0 , 23/12/2017
Post by: Evesto on December 23, 2017, 03:13:57 PM
It didn't look all to clear at times, especially during the first half because our central midfield with Murgia as the deepest didn't find it's feet.  The long ball tactic was used to relieve pressure on Murgia in Leiva's role.  But in fact the usual formation still stood on paper.  The 3-5-1-1/3-4-2-1 hybrid was still visable.  The proposed lineup at the start wasn't correct, as it hasn't been the previous times as well when a 3-4-2-1 was presented.

The only difference was that Sergej moved up quicker with the long ball.

(http://www.footballuser.com/formations/2017/12/1649079_SS_Lazio.jpg)

When Felipe replaced Alberto he moved toward the right side more as Alberto is more or less glued to the left, and Lulic infiltrated the left side while Lukaku then dropped a little deeper.

That's what this Lazio does the it's opponents this season, create chaos.  There's no straight lineup once higher then Leiva or Murgia.  Lulic, Sergej, Alberto, Felipe are all different players and once they switch or simply use more freedom during a game things go our way. 
Title: Re: Serie A : SS Lazio - FC Crotone 4-0 , 23/12/2017
Post by: Ed on December 23, 2017, 03:30:16 PM
 :ops: I completely forgot/wasn't aware this was an early kick off! It doesn't seem right being on a Saturday at that time! 4-0 but it seems we struggled to break through until Lukaku. It's good to get another couple of goal scorers off the mark and especially so for Anderson. It will be interesting to see if we can fit him and Alberto in the same team because it could be quite exciting in theory. Hopefully Immobile can get on another hot streak of scoring again. Were Wallace and Patric better than Bastos (I know the answer here!) and Radu? It's probably good to give Stefan a rest anyway.

 :stendvl:
Title: Re: Serie A : SS Lazio - FC Crotone 4-0 , 23/12/2017
Post by: eleven on December 23, 2017, 03:42:26 PM
I thought Patric was better than Wallace today and definitely better than Bastos, felt more relaxed with Patric there than i would with Wallace or Bastos

Wallace had few bad passes which could have caused more trouble than it did.
Title: Re: Serie A : SS Lazio - FC Crotone 4-0 , 23/12/2017
Post by: Evesto on December 23, 2017, 03:48:53 PM
:ops: I completely forgot/wasn't aware this was an early kick off! It doesn't seem right being on a Saturday at that time! 4-0 but it seems we struggled to break through until Lukaku. It's good to get another couple of goal scorers off the mark and especially so for Anderson. It will be interesting to see if we can fit him and Alberto in the same team because it could be quite exciting in theory. Hopefully Immobile can get on another hot streak of scoring again. Were Wallace and Patric better than Bastos (I know the answer here!) and Radu? It's probably good to give Stefan a rest anyway.

 :stendvl:

Crotone even started to dominate for 15min in the first half, things were looking far from good.

Wallace & Patric both had 1 or 2 shaky moments.  Patric also started to move up very high, more then needed and that created to much space in favour of Crotone.  Wallace looked good the 2nd half, he'll be finding back his way soon.  I didn't miss Bastos at any point.  Patric even came in more or less thesame position as Bastos was when making the penalty error against at Bergamo but Patric kept calm and shielded the ball out of play.  But never the less it looked visable to me a real CB would be the better option.

Strakosha also made thesame blunder like he did against Higuain at Juve, but instead of the striker hitting the crossbar Strakosha was able to correct it himself this time.  He will really have to knock that of because on another occassion it will end badly.  Tried to play out the striker under pressure, never a good idea.
Title: Re: Serie A : SS Lazio - FC Crotone 4-0 , 23/12/2017
Post by: stefano_40 on December 23, 2017, 04:40:33 PM

Wallace & Patric both had 1 or 2 shaky moments.  Patric also started to move up very high, more then needed and that created to much space in favour of Crotone.  Wallace looked good the 2nd half, he'll be finding back his way soon.  I didn't miss Bastos at any point.  Patric even came in more or less thesame position as Bastos was when making the penalty error against at Bergamo but Patric kept calm and shielded the ball out of play.  But never the less it looked visable to me a real CB would be the better option.


100%.

I still just can't be happy with Patric at CB. He's fine in these games against lesser opponents, but he has two glaring weaknesses: His size/strength and his desire to try and get forward. The likes of Patric in the game against Atalanta last week for example would have been catastrophic: Petagna is a beast in comparison, and the likelihood of him venturing forward with a 3 man attack including Gomez would have meant we end up conceding more than we already did. Wallace - DeVrij - Radu from now on please.

Regarding our general play, our long ball tactic against a deep defensive line in the first half frustrated me to the point of anger (as it did when Italy played Sweden not too long ago). It's a tactic that I've actually very rarely seen working, and even at that it was the likes of Pirlo or Xavi making it work. Look at our third against Atalanta last week or that chance we had when Ciro shot just wide this game: we do tiki-taka in and around the box extremely well. That's exactly what we need to be doing, playing the ball around the box and then striking. Once we started actually running directly at them and playing the ball around, well that's exactly when we started scoring.

That being said, we shouldn't always try to walk the ball out of defense like we usually try to. We end up losing the ball far too much in stupidly dangerous areas. It's ok to hoof it away sometimes...  :whistle:



Title: Re: Serie A : SS Lazio - FC Crotone 4-0 , 23/12/2017
Post by: Agent Orange on December 23, 2017, 06:14:49 PM
What was todays attendance? Livescore says 25.000 but that cant be right? atleast 35-40.000 or?
Title: Re: Serie A : SS Lazio - FC Crotone 4-0 , 23/12/2017
Post by: Hadi Van Der Vaart on December 23, 2017, 07:25:58 PM
I feel we underestimated our opponent today. I know it was big score, but we can score more n we can finish the game earllier. Attacking line, I feel irritated when our players kept delaying to shoot the ball when they had the chance in the box. Defensive line (inc Strakosha), also let them had the chance.to score. We should be more clinical upfront.

Then Marusic, this guy is really not the part of defensive line. I hope we play Basta/Patric when we have stronger opponent.

Great result, surprised to see we score 4 goals against a parking bus team at the moment. Our key players got some rest, another bench players also got more experience. I'm happy n I hope we can continue this, Forza Lazio!
Title: Re: Serie A : SS Lazio - FC Crotone 4-0 , 23/12/2017
Post by: Ljubo1 on December 24, 2017, 06:20:05 AM
I feel we underestimated our opponent today. I know it was big score, but we can score more n we can finish the game earllier. Attacking line, I feel irritated when our players kept delaying to shoot the ball when they had the chance in the box. Defensive line (inc Strakosha), also let them had the chance.to score. We should be more clinical upfront.

Then Marusic, this guy is really not the part of defensive line. I hope we play Basta/Patric when we have stronger opponent.

Great result, surprised to see we score 4 goals against a parking bus team at the moment. Our key players got some rest, another bench players also got more experience. I'm happy n I hope we can continue this, Forza Lazio!
Sounds like you want the result to be 7+. Well if you want that kind of score I sugest to you to go watch Spain Premiere or whatever they called their league. Real or Barca destroyed one Valencia with that kind of result and I think that Valencia would kick our asses if we faced them. About the game I cant say much becouse I was trying not to sleep becouse I just came back from training and I was tired. Thats why I don't like that early kick off. But from glimpses that I saw I must say that I'm very happy to have a healthy Anderson back. In those 15 minutes in the match he gave an assist and a goal.  :bravo:
Title: Re: Serie A : SS Lazio - FC Crotone 4-0 , 23/12/2017
Post by: Hadi Van Der Vaart on December 24, 2017, 06:49:03 AM
I feel we underestimated our opponent today. I know it was big score, but we can score more n we can finish the game earllier. Attacking line, I feel irritated when our players kept delaying to shoot the ball when they had the chance in the box. Defensive line (inc Strakosha), also let them had the chance.to score. We should be more clinical upfront.

Then Marusic, this guy is really not the part of defensive line. I hope we play Basta/Patric when we have stronger opponent.

Great result, surprised to see we score 4 goals against a parking bus team at the moment. Our key players got some rest, another bench players also got more experience. I'm happy n I hope we can continue this, Forza Lazio!
Sounds like you want the result to be 7+. Well if you want that kind of score I sugest to you to go watch Spain Premiere or whatever they called their league. Real or Barca destroyed one Valencia with that kind of result and I think that Valencia would kick our asses if we faced them. About the game I cant say much becouse I was trying not to sleep becouse I just came back from training and I was tired. Thats why I don't like that early kick off. But from glimpses that I saw I must say that I'm very happy to have a healthy Anderson back. In those 15 minutes in the match he gave an assist and a goal.  :bravo:

I know I would get this kind of response, but you missed my point. Maybe I should learn to write from football italia.
Title: Re: Serie A : SS Lazio - FC Crotone 4-0 , 23/12/2017
Post by: Ljubo1 on December 24, 2017, 11:49:52 AM
I feel we underestimated our opponent today. I know it was big score, but we can score more n we can finish the game earllier. Attacking line, I feel irritated when our players kept delaying to shoot the ball when they had the chance in the box. Defensive line (inc Strakosha), also let them had the chance.to score. We should be more clinical upfront.

Then Marusic, this guy is really not the part of defensive line. I hope we play Basta/Patric when we have stronger opponent.

Great result, surprised to see we score 4 goals against a parking bus team at the moment. Our key players got some rest, another bench players also got more experience. I'm happy n I hope we can continue this, Forza Lazio!
Sounds like you want the result to be 7+. Well if you want that kind of score I sugest to you to go watch Spain Premiere or whatever they called their league. Real or Barca destroyed one Valencia with that kind of result and I think that Valencia would kick our asses if we faced them. About the game I cant say much becouse I was trying not to sleep becouse I just came back from training and I was tired. Thats why I don't like that early kick off. But from glimpses that I saw I must say that I'm very happy to have a healthy Anderson back. In those 15 minutes in the match he gave an assist and a goal.  :bravo:

I know I would get this kind of response, but you missed my point. Maybe I should learn to write from football italia.
This is not a bad idea becouse they make a lot more sense than you. First you write how irritated with our players you are and then you are supprised when we score 4 goals for a parking bus team. Maybe you should apply for a yob in Football Italia I think that you Will be called at least for a interwju. :beer:
Title: Re: Serie A : SS Lazio - FC Crotone 4-0 , 23/12/2017
Post by: Stefano6 on December 24, 2017, 12:00:36 PM
Since he has his own opinion and isnt just poorly translating other peoples news, he is already better than Football Italia.

And since you admit in your own post that you didnt watch most of the game, then I feel you cant comment on his opinion regarding the performance.
Oh and Valencia lost 1-0 yesterday to Villareal in an incredibly boring game, so I would fancy our chances against them.

For what its worth, I see where Hadi is coming from. It was 0-0 at half time, and it really shouldnt have been. No one is complaining and of course we are all happy to win 4-0 against a team that arent as bad as they appear on paper, and did play defensively, but Hadi has a point when he says the backline gave away chances and the front line need to be more clinical. In fact I wouldnt even say thats opinion, both of those are just fact.

Strakosha tried his best to gift them a goal with some terrible clearances that went straight to their attackers, and that one chance where he practically let himself get tackled.

I remember a couple of times when our forward players should have done better, but at the end of the day we can put it down to the midday kick off, perhaps some complacency against a lower team. And in the end after 1-0 it was only going to go our way, I felt Crotone gave up at that point.

As for individual performances, a goal and an assist for Ciro, Lulic, and Anderson, and an assist for Parolo. All had very good games aside from that too. Marusic confirmed he is much better going forward than defending, but even then he makes some poor decisions which I put down to inexperience.
My opinion on Lukaku has gone down. Hes strong and fast, sure, but thats all.. he does the same thing over and over, fake to cross, push the ball past and sprint to catch it and cross.. hes too predictable.

Bottom line, a scoreline that flatters the performance but a well needed win, both for the team and the players confidence (helped even more by Romas loss)
Title: Re: Serie A : SS Lazio - FC Crotone 4-0 , 23/12/2017
Post by: Evesto on December 24, 2017, 03:03:45 PM
Since he has his own opinion and isnt just poorly translating other peoples news, he is already better than Football Italia.

And since you admit in your own post that you didnt watch most of the game, then I feel you cant comment on his opinion regarding the performance.
Oh and Valencia lost 1-0 yesterday to Villareal in an incredibly boring game, so I would fancy our chances against them.

For what its worth, I see where Hadi is coming from. It was 0-0 at half time, and it really shouldnt have been. No one is complaining and of course we are all happy to win 4-0 against a team that arent as bad as they appear on paper, and did play defensively, but Hadi has a point when he says the backline gave away chances and the front line need to be more clinical. In fact I wouldnt even say thats opinion, both of those are just fact.

Strakosha tried his best to gift them a goal with some terrible clearances that went straight to their attackers, and that one chance where he practically let himself get tackled.

I remember a couple of times when our forward players should have done better, but at the end of the day we can put it down to the midday kick off, perhaps some complacency against a lower team. And in the end after 1-0 it was only going to go our way, I felt Crotone gave up at that point.

As for individual performances, a goal and an assist for Ciro, Lulic, and Anderson, and an assist for Parolo. All had very good games aside from that too. Marusic confirmed he is much better going forward than defending, but even then he makes some poor decisions which I put down to inexperience.
My opinion on Lukaku has gone down. Hes strong and fast, sure, but thats all.. he does the same thing over and over, fake to cross, push the ball past and sprint to catch it and cross.. hes too predictable.

Bottom line, a scoreline that flatters the performance but a well needed win, both for the team and the players confidence (helped even more by Romas loss)

Certainly agree.  Valencia kick our asses?  :wuzz:  On a very bad day maybe.  They had a streak this season but a lot of luck was on their side as well.  Lot's a long shots that went in with deflections or let in by bad performing GK's.  The turn around has been starting now in the last 4 games, it couldn't last because it's not a team that controls the opponent. 

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Agree on Lukaku as well.  He showed a real agressiveness in subbing roles like against Juventus but lately for a couple of games he's making a real slow and uninterested impression at times.  Opponents can very easily control him for 90% of the game without to much trouble.  He could do better but he just isn't showing it.  I can't see him as a starter for us unless he would do a major turnaround in the future.