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Title: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: LaziAli on January 06, 2018, 04:56:31 PM
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Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: Hadi Van Der Vaart on January 06, 2018, 05:39:13 PM
Radu is suspended?
If so, then I can see we play with 4 defenders at the back to accomodate Alberto n Anderson. The game is still in 2 weeks, anything can happen.
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on January 06, 2018, 05:46:39 PM
Yep Radu is out

Inzaghi may just give Luiz Felipe the chance from start. Wouldn't be surprised if he does that over changing the formation..

Also Leiva is in danger of suspension, a yellow card here and he's out against Milan.
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: Evesto on January 06, 2018, 06:20:58 PM
Yep Radu is out

Inzaghi may just give Luiz Felipe the chance from start. Wouldn't be surprised if he does that over changing the formation..

Also Leiva is in danger of suspension, a yellow card here and he's out against Milan.

No Leiva then would be a shame, but i doubt Inzaghi will take any risk.

Regarding Radu's suspencion, we should have Caceres by then shouldn't we?

Chievo has been in downfall for 6 weeks, good timing this game.
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: Don on January 07, 2018, 12:26:42 AM
Yep Radu is out

Inzaghi may just give Luiz Felipe the chance from start. Wouldn't be surprised if he does that over changing the formation..

Also Leiva is in danger of suspension, a yellow card here and he's out against Milan.
Main reason for Mister to bring on Ramos. To adjust already to Radus Position for the next game as he cannot Plan with Caceres as 100%... was very clever by Inzaghi I thought when I saw that sub...

As well as subbing Lulic for Leiva to make sure/ test playing without him, of we need him rest... 
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: Crni Đorđe on January 07, 2018, 12:29:33 AM
Leiva would be suspended against Udinese if earns yellow.
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: Don on January 07, 2018, 01:20:24 AM
Leiva would be suspended against Udinese if earns yellow.
Yeah sure, that was also in mind... Maybe not Udine already but so in enough he will pick up his yellow absentence for being available in more difficult games.. .
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: Cathal on January 07, 2018, 01:25:16 AM
Why would Luiz Felipe play? He got a chance today because the game was done and dusted - Chievo game starts at 0-0. Luiz Felipe would be a monumental gamble.
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: Don on January 07, 2018, 02:06:25 AM
Why would Luiz Felipe play? He got a chance today because the game was done and dusted - Chievo game starts at 0-0. Luiz Felipe would be a monumental gamble.
I believe he will give him a shot. He already had his good minutes and is a good sub to Radu. He played well in his minutes, also against SPAL. And it is Verona...
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: Crni Đorđe on January 07, 2018, 02:08:09 AM
Wallace left, Bastos right.
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: Don on January 07, 2018, 02:26:52 AM
Wallace left, Bastos right.
Yes of course the obvious choice, but we gonna see if Inzaghi has the brave heart and sees Ramos ready... He needs it.

Bastos and Wallace in Line-Up would actually mean, we definately Need 3 goals Minimum!  :wow:
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on January 07, 2018, 03:43:23 AM
Bastos AND Wallace playing at the same time?

Do you guys really want to put that much pressure on poor Ciro? The man will have to score 5 goals then
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: fausto on January 07, 2018, 07:05:58 AM
Bastos AND Wallace playing at the same time?

Do you guys really want to put that much pressure on poor Ciro? The man will have to score 5 goals then
How would Ciro get his capocannoniere otherwise  :supsmile:
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: Don on January 07, 2018, 09:56:36 AM
Bastos AND Wallace playing at the same time?

Do you guys really want to put that much pressure on poor Ciro? The man will have to score 5 goals then
How would Ciro get his capocannoniere otherwise  :supsmile:
I am really sure that is it what is driving Ciro for goals that much... the fear of our backline  :razz:
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: LazialefromGhent on January 07, 2018, 10:14:08 AM
Maybe we have Caceres already in this game guys.

Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: Cathal on January 07, 2018, 11:34:00 AM
I actually don't get the debate. Wallace and Bastos will both play unless Inazghi is willing to throw Caceres in at the deep end. There's no reason to think Luiz Felipe will get near the pitch.

I'm a harsh critic of our centre-backs, but Wallace does get a crazy amount of stick. I can probably count on one hand the glaring errors he's made at Lazio, but they are always brought up. Whereas I run out of hands to count Bastos' errors in some games, and little will be said.

Wallace making mistakes after missing half a season with injury? I'm not surprised. No one is going to come back after a few months out and be super smooth. And there's another point I'd make with Wallace... he's only just turned 23.

This was what a 56 million euro 23 year-old centre-back was doing while Lazio were thumping SPAL.

John Stones's mistake funny - Ashley Barnes GOAL (Home 2017/18) Noveball (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eG6DziERAQ#)

How bad is Wallace really? Let's see where he is after a run of games which frankly, I think he's going to get. Because based on what I've seen of Luiz Felipe, I don't want to see him line out against Chievo. He is clearly our weakest centre-back.
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: Evesto on January 07, 2018, 12:46:52 PM
I actually don't get the debate. Wallace and Bastos will both play unless Inazghi is willing to throw Caceres in at the deep end. There's no reason to think Luiz Felipe will get near the pitch.

I'm a harsh critic of our centre-backs, but Wallace does get a crazy amount of stick. I can probably count on one hand the glaring errors he's made at Lazio, but they are always brought up. Whereas I run out of hands to count Bastos' errors in some games, and little will be said.

Wallace making mistakes after missing half a season with injury? I'm not surprised. No one is going to come back after a few months out and be super smooth. And there's another point I'd make with Wallace... he's only just turned 23.

This was what a 56 million euro 23 year-old centre-back was doing while Lazio were thumping SPAL.

John Stones's mistake funny - Ashley Barnes GOAL (Home 2017/18) Noveball ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eG6DziERAQ#[/url])

How bad is Wallace really? Let's see where he is after a run of games which frankly, I think he's going to get. Because based on what I've seen of Luiz Felipe, I don't want to see him line out against Chievo. He is clearly our weakest centre-back.


 :bravo:

Wallace had a few mistakes, maybe 4.  Bastos' can't fit on this page anymore.

Maybe people expect him to be the saviour and can't swallow a mishap.

Bastos is 4th in Inzaghi's book that's for sure. He wouldn't have benched him after Torino otherwise.
If Caceres turns out good he will drop another knotch.
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: Roman_Eagle on January 07, 2018, 04:34:59 PM
i dont get the thumping of bastos? yeah he makes a blunder now and again, but in general he is a solid, fast and well build defender
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: Cathal on January 07, 2018, 04:56:10 PM
i dont get the thumping of bastos? yeah he makes a blunder now and again, but in general he is a solid, fast and well build defender

I'm sure there's plenty of solid, fast, well-built fellows on the forum. The attributes you list as Bastos' strengths are not that meaningful, while being able to get through games without blunders is pretty important.

Can someone explain this to me: Wallace made a big error in a Derby ages ago, and it's still used to argue he's not a great player. Bastos made a number of huge mistakes in the most recent Derby and I know already it won't really be brought up when we discuss Bastos in the future.

Why?

That's why I'm defending Wallace. For me, it's not rational that on this forum, there's something of a Bastos fan while Wallace gets criticised for breathing.

Wallace > Bastos > Luiz Felipe. It's a simple equation  :whistle:
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: Hadi Van Der Vaart on January 07, 2018, 05:22:36 PM
No, it should be Wallace > Patric > Bastos > Luiz Felipe.

I'm surprised Bastos still highly rated in this forum while we tend to write off players after making mistakes. I agree with those opinions about Bastos being strong, good at one on one situation but there is always stupid moment in his game where it costed us goals. What's the point having a good 89 mins of the game but your 1 min make your team lose points? I prefer ordinary players who make it simple n dont cost goals every game.
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: Cathal on January 07, 2018, 05:29:00 PM
No, it should be Wallace > Patric > Bastos > Luiz Felipe.

On that, I think Inzaghi is going to consider turning Patric into the Radu of the opposite side. He might leave that to the summer, but reading between the lines, I think Patric has impressed Inzaghi in that role and I think everyone realises, with some hours in the gym, Patric could be better in that role.
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: Evesto on January 07, 2018, 05:54:29 PM
No, it should be Wallace > Patric > Bastos > Luiz Felipe.

On that, I think Inzaghi is going to consider turning Patric into the Radu of the opposite side. He might leave that to the summer, but reading between the lines, I think Patric has impressed Inzaghi in that role and I think everyone realises, with some hours in the gym, Patric could be better in that role.

That good be interesting.  Buff up like Radu did last summer, a little more prep.
Certainly worth the chance.
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on January 07, 2018, 05:59:22 PM
This should probably be posted in the other thread, but since we're discussing CBs here I will make the post here.

Wallace was at fault for both goals yesterday, not just the second. The penalty call was a copy of the penalty that was awarded to Viola when we drew 1-1 against them. I think it's a harsh penalty, but Wallace arrives too late and ends up kicking upwards into the foot of the SPAL player, he doesn't connect with the ball before the SPAL player does.

When I look at the situation where Wallace intervenes and commits the penalty, the first thing I ask myself is..did he really need to do that? The SPAL player had his back towards the goal and it was not such a dangerous situation that he needed to go in like that.

SPAL - Lazio 2-5 - Highlights - Giornata 20 - Serie A TIM 2017/18 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-_QWrGSN00#)

Anyway for me it's very simple, both Wallace and Bastos aren't good enough. My trust in Luiz Felipe might naive, but with the former two I've seen enough indications that they aren't learning from their mistakes. Sure we can keep using them every so often and then be fine with the errors that they keep making, but our CBS is what separates us from Juventus and Napoli this season..
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: Cathal on January 07, 2018, 06:20:29 PM
Wallace was at fault for both goals yesterday, not just the second. The penalty call was a copy of the penalty that was awarded to Viola when we drew 1-1 against them. I think it's a harsh penalty, but Wallace arrives too late and ends up kicking upwards into the foot of the SPAL player, he doesn't connect with the ball before the SPAL player does.

When I look at the situation where Wallace intervenes and commits the penalty, the first thing I ask myself is..did he really need to do that? The SPAL player had his back towards the goal and it was not such a dangerous situation that he needed to go in like that.

See, this infuriates me. When Caicedo made this 'error' against Fiorentina, I was pretty much the only person that said Caicedo could've been smarter. To my memory, everyone else excused him. But when it's Wallace, it's an error? This is much, much more explicable than Caicedo. Typical action here is to try and clear the danger.

But no, Wallace didn't have to clear it and yes, he probably made contact and yes, Wallace could've done much better with his headed clearance which led to the second goal.

But looking at these incidents in isolation, Basta didn't have to wrestle the first SPAL player to the ground and - I think - handle the ball. And I actually think that Basta incident influenced Tagliavento to give the penalty on Wallace, because Tagliavento felt the need to point out which incident he was giving the penalty for and then seemed to suggest he could've given a penalty on Basta. I think if you're going to argue Wallace did something stupid, only fair to say what Basta was doing wasn't clever either.

As for the second goal, de Vrij could've done Wallace a favour and blocked Anteneucci's shot. No? You could blame him, if you want to. If de Vrij makes that header and Wallace lets the shot go through him, I know Wallace cops half the blame at least. Wouldn't be right, but it'd happen.

In any case, it comes down to this for me and also for our manager I feel - there's a difference between Wallace having the right idea but the wrong execution and a player like Bastos never having the right idea.  Wallace ****s up both clearances, but you'd be lucky if Bastos would even be in those positions, and if he was, he'd probably **** it up too. For me, Inzaghi gets that. Clearly, this forum disagrees.
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: Evesto on January 07, 2018, 07:50:03 PM
To me Wallace made thesame action Caicedo did against Viola.  Wanting to clear, a little clumsy but certainly (for me) again no error.  The only thing close to an error was Basta knudging that player in the back.  But also very light to point to the spot.

I'd also only get rid of one defender also if possible.  Everyone deserves a chance but Bastos' list keeps getting longer. 
I can't see a future. 
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: Boksic on January 07, 2018, 07:54:44 PM
Wallace was at fault for both goals yesterday, not just the second. The penalty call was a copy of the penalty that was awarded to Viola when we drew 1-1 against them. I think it's a harsh penalty, but Wallace arrives too late and ends up kicking upwards into the foot of the SPAL player, he doesn't connect with the ball before the SPAL player does.

When I look at the situation where Wallace intervenes and commits the penalty, the first thing I ask myself is..did he really need to do that? The SPAL player had his back towards the goal and it was not such a dangerous situation that he needed to go in like that.

See, this infuriates me. When Caicedo made this 'error' against Fiorentina, I was pretty much the only person that said Caicedo could've been smarter. To my memory, everyone else excused him. But when it's Wallace, it's an error? This is much, much more explicable than Caicedo. Typical action here is to try and clear the danger.

But no, Wallace didn't have to clear it and yes, he probably made contact and yes, Wallace could've done much better with his headed clearance which led to the second goal.

But looking at these incidents in isolation, Basta didn't have to wrestle the first SPAL player to the ground and - I think - handle the ball. And I actually think that Basta incident influenced Tagliavento to give the penalty on Wallace, because Tagliavento felt the need to point out which incident he was giving the penalty for and then seemed to suggest he could've given a penalty on Basta. I think if you're going to argue Wallace did something stupid, only fair to say what Basta was doing wasn't clever either.

As for the second goal, de Vrij could've done Wallace a favour and blocked Anteneucci's shot. No? You could blame him, if you want to. If de Vrij makes that header and Wallace lets the shot go through him, I know Wallace cops half the blame at least. Wouldn't be right, but it'd happen.

In any case, it comes down to this for me and also for our manager I feel - there's a difference between Wallace having the right idea but the wrong execution and a player like Bastos never having the right idea.  Wallace ****s up both clearances, but you'd be lucky if Bastos would even be in those positions, and if he was, he'd probably **** it up too. For me, Inzaghi gets that. Clearly, this forum disagrees.

My opinion is that it's way beyond finding excuses for both Wallace and Bastos, comparing them is useless as I think everyone beleives that none of them should feature in our first 11. We have a mature squad, most of them in their prime years. We cannot screw this up by having 2 defenders who will have a brain fart every now and then. We need to offload at least on of them perhaps Wallace can go out on loan or Bastos permanently. Investing in the position should be easily justifiable considering that it will most likely give us Champions League football next season and we can use Hoedt's transfer money to find an adequate replacement.
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: Evesto on January 07, 2018, 07:59:24 PM
Again why Wallace?  I can only recall 2 errors. Radu made errors before.  Even De Vrij has made errors in his time here, should we get rid of him today?
Bastos' errors are getting uncountable in a very short period of time, only obvious thing for me.
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: Cathal on January 07, 2018, 08:08:14 PM
My opinion is that it's way beyond finding excuses for both Wallace and Bastos, comparing them is useless as I think everyone beleives that none of them should feature in our first 11. We have a mature squad, most of them in their prime years. We cannot screw this up by having 2 defenders who will have a brain fart every now and then. We need to offload at least on of them perhaps Wallace can go out on loan or Bastos permanently. Investing in the position should be easily justifiable considering that it will most likely give us Champions League football next season and we can use Hoedt's transfer money to find an adequate replacement.

This is utopian.

If the season ended today, we're in the Champions League. If we offload one of Wallace and Bastos, we've one less defender.

The defender we appear to be signing has barely played in two years owing to getting himself intoxicated, crashing into a bus stop and virtually getting the sack. He's now playing for a team en route to Serie B.

We need to do this, that and the other - I get it - but we can't. I'd love for Wallace and Bastos to be on the bench and I'd be perfectly fine with one or both moving on under the right circumstances.

But this isn't the right time. Firstly, it's mid-season and we're on course for CL - not the ideal time to make changes at the back. Secondly, de Vrij moving on at the end of the season is something we have to factor into the equation. And finally, as I said above, the level of player we can attract is a former Juventus back-up whose career was in freefall until we found him a solution.

We could also do with a better striker than Caicedo as vice-Immobile, a midfielder such as Cristante etc. But you can't go out and spend more than your means to try and get into CL. The time to commit to the cause was in July, not January.

This is off-topic, but while I'm on the subject - if de Vrij renews and Caceres actually arrives, I think Bastos could leave in this window. I don't think Wallace will leave because I think our manager has so much more faith in him than the average member of this forum.
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: Evesto on January 07, 2018, 08:23:19 PM
This is off-topic, but while I'm on the subject - if de Vrij renews and Caceres actually arrives, I think Bastos could leave in this window. I don't think Wallace will leave because I think our manager has so much more faith in him than the average member of this forum.

I hope Inzaghi has faith in Wallace, because if DV leaves this summer (most likely) we'd have to find 2 replacements.
And i still see Wallace as an option to eventually get used to DV's role.  It is his natural position.

But i wouldn't let Bastos go now with all those games yet to be played.  All of Caceres, De Vrij and Radu have had injury issues.  It's a big risk to suddenly get a shortage in defenders.  There's to much at stake.  The quality we have now depends on reaching the CL.
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: Boksic on January 07, 2018, 08:43:04 PM
My opinion is that it's way beyond finding excuses for both Wallace and Bastos, comparing them is useless as I think everyone beleives that none of them should feature in our first 11. We have a mature squad, most of them in their prime years. We cannot screw this up by having 2 defenders who will have a brain fart every now and then. We need to offload at least on of them perhaps Wallace can go out on loan or Bastos permanently. Investing in the position should be easily justifiable considering that it will most likely give us Champions League football next season and we can use Hoedt's transfer money to find an adequate replacement.

This is utopian.

If the season ended today, we're in the Champions League. If we offload one of Wallace and Bastos, we've one less defender.

The defender we appear to be signing has barely played in two years owing to getting himself intoxicated, crashing into a bus stop and virtually getting the sack. He's now playing for a team en route to Serie B.

We need to do this, that and the other - I get it - but we can't. I'd love for Wallace and Bastos to be on the bench and I'd be perfectly fine with one or both moving on under the right circumstances.

But this isn't the right time. Firstly, it's mid-season and we're on course for CL - not the ideal time to make changes at the back. Secondly, de Vrij moving on at the end of the season is something we have to factor into the equation. And finally, as I said above, the level of player we can attract is a former Juventus back-up whose career was in freefall until we found him a solution.

We could also do with a better striker than Caicedo as vice-Immobile, a midfielder such as Cristante etc. But you can't go out and spend more than your means to try and get into CL. The time to commit to the cause was in July, not January.

This is off-topic, but while I'm on the subject - if de Vrij renews and Caceres actually arrives, I think Bastos could leave in this window. I don't think Wallace will leave because I think our manager has so much more faith in him than the average member of this forum.

If we by some sort of miracle manage to get into the CL it's certainly not thanks to Wallace and Bastos. We have been dependant on 2-3 individuals and this is a team game we cannot have such weak points and expect to be successful.

I do beleive that signing Caceres is not what we need and it might be a mistake. I don't beleive that we need to break the bank to improve the defense. Signing someone like Acerbi who I'd beleive would make us stronger and is much less error prone compared to both Wallace and Bastos. Even Izzo would be an upgrade. Considering that both Sassoulo and Genoa are pretty much out of a Europa league spot and they will achieve safety no matter what considering the quality of the teams occupying relegetion spots, I see no reason why we cant get those kind of players.

I do beleive that Inzaghi trusts Wallace, I wouldnt sell him. I beleive it would benefit him if he's in a less pressured environment and is allowed to grow.
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: Cathal on January 07, 2018, 08:49:35 PM
I don't beleive that we need to break the bank to improve the defense. Signing someone like Acerbi who I'd beleive would make us stronger and is much less error prone compared to both Wallace and Bastos. Even Izzo would be an upgrade. Considering that both Sassoulo and Genoa are pretty much out of a Europa league spot and they will achieve safety no matter what considering the quality of the teams occupying relegetion spots, I see no reason why we cant get those kind of players.

I see a very simple reason - they'll have better offers on the table. If I was neutral and I was Izzo's agent and Lazio come in, I tell him to turn the offer down.

It's the same with Caicedo in attack. We're not getting a better player than Caicedo to agree to come in and sit on our bench and hope Immobile gets hurt. No one at any level is accepting a 1 million per year salary to do that job.

That's our problem.
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: Delta on January 07, 2018, 09:10:11 PM
Haha all that debate and you missed that it was Basta who caused penalty not Wallace  :supsmile:
At least according to match report??

Actually now when watched it again few times, it does seem like Tagliavento reacts only after Wallace makes his attempt which is really strange... maybe there should be drug tests for referees before Lazio matches.
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: Evesto on January 07, 2018, 09:35:30 PM
Haha all that debate and you missed that it was Basta who caused penalty not Wallace  :supsmile:
At least according to match report??

Actually now when watched it again few times, it does seem like Tagliavento reacts only after Wallace makes his attempt which is really strange... maybe there should be drug tests for referees before Lazio matches.

That's right, he reacts to Wallace.  He couldn't react to Basta himself unless a linesman saw it, Tagliatella had no sight on Basta who was completely behind his man imo. 

We could conclude both players were careless or one more then the other.  I think Basta was a little careless but a penalty is way to harsh.

I don't beleive that we need to break the bank to improve the defense. Signing someone like Acerbi who I'd beleive would make us stronger and is much less error prone compared to both Wallace and Bastos. Even Izzo would be an upgrade. Considering that both Sassoulo and Genoa are pretty much out of a Europa league spot and they will achieve safety no matter what considering the quality of the teams occupying relegetion spots, I see no reason why we cant get those kind of players.

I see a very simple reason - they'll have better offers on the table. If I was neutral and I was Izzo's agent and Lazio come in, I tell him to turn the offer down.

It's the same with Caicedo in attack. We're not getting a better player than Caicedo to agree to come in and sit on our bench and hope Immobile gets hurt. No one at any level is accepting a 1 million per year salary to do that job.

That's our problem.

But either one would jump at the chance to be a starter here.  That would have been the best option imo instead of getting Bastos out of Russia.  Caceres would accept the 1st backup role probably, with his past getting back in a team like this is huge.

Izzo, De Vrij, Radu backline.  Wallace and Caceres ready to step in.  Wallace for De Vrij, Caceres for the sides.
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: stefano_40 on January 07, 2018, 10:26:47 PM
So yes, I do have such little to do with my Sunday night that I decided to have a look through every single one of our matches this season thus far. Decided to analyse the goals that we have conceded regarding Bastos and Wallace and came up with this list:

_______________________________ _______________________________ ______________________
Bastos:
Benevento - Week 11 - Could have done more to block the shot. Wouldn't entirely pin the blame on him.
Roma -  Week 13 - Reckless tackle, gave away a penalty.
Sampdoria -  Week 15 - Completely out of position
Atalanta - Week 17 - Reckless tackle, gave away a penalty.
Vitesse - (Euro Week 1) - Failed to track his man
Vitesse - (Euro Week 1) - Completely out of position

Wallace:
Zulte (Euro Week 6) - Hesitated to make a tackle, allowing his man to get a shot off.
SPAL - Week 20 - Penalty due to attempted clearance. This remains to be seen whether it was his fault.
SPAL - Week 20 - Poor clearance resulting in a shot.
_______________________________ _______________________________ ______________________

I know this is subjective to what I interpret the incidents to be, and another person may see certain incidents differently, but entirely from my point of view, Wallace has been pretty on par with Radu and De Vrij, who have both been at fault for a similar number of goals as him themselves eg Torino, Napoli, 1927. Bastos has been significantly worse than Wallace, DeVrij and Radu.

This may be down to the fact that Marusic on the right has not been convincing at all defensively, but I personally think that if you are at fault for three goals by being entirely out of position, and give away two penalties due to unnecessarily reckless challenges, that's a big Nope. The magnitude of his errors have been so much greater than those of any of our other defenders, and it just shows that he isn't really learning from them either. So, this leads me to the fact that I'm pretty happy for Wallace to continue in the team. He's a good player, generally pretty solid if unspectacular. But Bastos needs to play as few minutes as possible.

We need somebody solid in that RCB position. No reason why it can't be Wallace. Many reasons why it can't be Bastos. I would like a new "big name" CB to be a certainty to start in that position, but really is so unlikely to happen. If it is Caceres, which it likely will be, I personally think that Wallace still starts ahead of him, and Bastos drops down the order and is sold next season.

Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: christ_JM on January 07, 2018, 11:52:20 PM
My opinion is that it's way beyond finding excuses for both Wallace and Bastos, comparing them is useless as I think everyone beleives that none of them should feature in our first 11. We have a mature squad, most of them in their prime years. We cannot screw this up by having 2 defenders who will have a brain fart every now and then. We need to offload at least on of them perhaps Wallace can go out on loan or Bastos permanently. Investing in the position should be easily justifiable considering that it will most likely give us Champions League football next season and we can use Hoedt's transfer money to find an adequate replacement.

This is utopian.

If the season ended today, we're in the Champions League. If we offload one of Wallace and Bastos, we've one less defender.

The defender we appear to be signing has barely played in two years owing to getting himself intoxicated, crashing into a bus stop and virtually getting the sack. He's now playing for a team en route to Serie B.

We need to do this, that and the other - I get it - but we can't. I'd love for Wallace and Bastos to be on the bench and I'd be perfectly fine with one or both moving on under the right circumstances.

But this isn't the right time. Firstly, it's mid-season and we're on course for CL - not the ideal time to make changes at the back. Secondly, de Vrij moving on at the end of the season is something we have to factor into the equation. And finally, as I said above, the level of player we can attract is a former Juventus back-up whose career was in freefall until we found him a solution.

We could also do with a better striker than Caicedo as vice-Immobile, a midfielder such as Cristante etc. But you can't go out and spend more than your means to try and get into CL. The time to commit to the cause was in July, not January.

This is off-topic, but while I'm on the subject - if de Vrij renews and Caceres actually arrives, I think Bastos could leave in this window. I don't think Wallace will leave because I think our manager has so much more faith in him than the average member of this forum.

Yes you can. Inter, Milan and Roma do it every year.

And I know what you will say - their revenue - tv and transfers are much greater than Lazio.

I agree, but how much will Izzo or Acerbi cost. 10 - 15 m Euro?

The Wallace and Bastos mistakes have cost us 5-7 points imo. If Izzo or Acerbi can save us 3-4 points for the rest of the season we are sitting pretty in 3rd.

We made huge profits last window:

TRANSFER RESULTS
Earnings/expenditures   Arrivals/Departures   Transfer fee
Income   17   63.95m
Expenditures   27   25.65m
Total results   +38.30m

This means that a 10 - 15 m purchase is within our means.

Yes, a winter purchase is not the best time to buy because the prices are inflated but CL is important.
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: christ_JM on January 08, 2018, 12:03:02 AM
I don't beleive that we need to break the bank to improve the defense. Signing someone like Acerbi who I'd beleive would make us stronger and is much less error prone compared to both Wallace and Bastos. Even Izzo would be an upgrade. Considering that both Sassoulo and Genoa are pretty much out of a Europa league spot and they will achieve safety no matter what considering the quality of the teams occupying relegetion spots, I see no reason why we cant get those kind of players.

I see a very simple reason - they'll have better offers on the table. If I was neutral and I was Izzo's agent and Lazio come in, I tell him to turn the offer down.

It's the same with Caicedo in attack. We're not getting a better player than Caicedo to agree to come in and sit on our bench and hope Immobile gets hurt. No one at any level is accepting a 1 million per year salary to do that job.

That's our problem.

Izzo plays for a side that is 14th and he would turn down a move as a starter at Lazio who is 4th?

If I was a neutral I would be advising him to move to Lazio.
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: Cathal on January 08, 2018, 12:19:03 AM
I just disagree, guys. Star players for clubs like Genoa (Izzo) or Sassuolo (Acerbi) turn down Lazio and wait for the traditional powerhouses or perceived 'big' clubs. Don't take my word for it, look at Gabbiadini - he admitted rejecting Lazio because he didn't see it as enough of a step up on Sampdoria. Now I get that's just one player, but where's the star player at mid-table club that decided Lazio was a good next career move?

If I was Tare, I'd be keen on Izzo - perfect player for this Lazio - but I'm certain in my own mind Izzo ends ups at Juve, one of the Milan clubs or Napoli/1927. If he was to sign for Lazio, he would have to sign a 4-5 year deal and if he sign that, he doesn't get to move for at least 3 years and Lazio will do everything to make sure he ends up abroad.

This is what I perceive to be our reality, and why I predict come February, everyone is disappointed.

Regarding spending beyond our means, yes we can do it - Inter, Milan and 1927 have done it - and it's not working out well for them is it? I don't want to be in a position where we spend 15-20 million on a centre-back, miss CL, and have to sell Immobile or SMS in the summer.

Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on January 08, 2018, 12:35:34 AM
Cathal do you really believe spending that money now in January will have that impact in the summer?

I'll admit the summer deals were a little confusing for me because we went with loan deals on Nani and the two Portuguese youngsters, but I don't think we spent big money. We qualified for Europe and things would have to fall apart now for us to not play in Europe for a 2 year in a row.

If anything, now feels like a time where we can afford to take risks. Sometimes you have to take risks to move forward, I would have thought more people were all in for that because they've seen this club take one step forward and two steps back many times due to lack of strength in the team. I'm not the only one who've felt that lotito had been overly passive. Two years in a row we lost a CL spot to lowly udinese while Lotito was refusing to do something in January both those years.

That being said, I'm going to play devils advocate now and say I don't really think we should go all in now in January. Not because I think our back line is strong, but because I know we will be forced to pay overprice and I also don't want to risk losing the harmony in the team.

I'm ok with caceres just joining in January, I get the logic behind that transfer. But if Our CBs keep this shitshow for the rest of the season then the club needs to take action in the summer. Throw them all out and start over in the defence. This is the second year that the same defenders makes the same mistakes. Imagine if that ends up costing us a spot in the champions league.
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: christ_JM on January 08, 2018, 04:48:34 AM
I just disagree, guys. Star players for clubs like Genoa (Izzo) or Sassuolo (Acerbi) turn down Lazio and wait for the traditional powerhouses or perceived 'big' clubs. Don't take my word for it, look at Gabbiadini - he admitted rejecting Lazio because he didn't see it as enough of a step up on Sampdoria. Now I get that's just one player, but where's the star player at mid-table club that decided Lazio was a good next career move?

If I was Tare, I'd be keen on Izzo - perfect player for this Lazio - but I'm certain in my own mind Izzo ends ups at Juve, one of the Milan clubs or Napoli/1927. If he was to sign for Lazio, he would have to sign a 4-5 year deal and if he sign that, he doesn't get to move for at least 3 years and Lazio will do everything to make sure he ends up abroad.

This is what I perceive to be our reality, and why I predict come February, everyone is disappointed.

Regarding spending beyond our means, yes we can do it - Inter, Milan and 1927 have done it - and it's not working out well for them is it? I don't want to be in a position where we spend 15-20 million on a centre-back, miss CL, and have to sell Immobile or SMS in the summer.

It depends what motivates Izzo,

1. Money; or

2.

a)finals

b)titles

c)Champions League.

Juventus and Napoli can offer both 1 and 2.

If money motivates Izzo then I agree, he will wait for Inter, Milan or Merda.

If 2 motivates Izzo then I agree, he may choose Lazio.

Milan are far from a - c.

Merda and Lazio are qualified for final stages of Europe and Inter are struggling without Europe.

After Juventus and Napoli, Merda and Lazio are the best placed to land Izzo.

De Vrij signed for us because we could offer him first team football and because we showed early interest in him.

The same could potentially be said for Izzo or whomever.
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: edo_shehb on January 08, 2018, 08:10:23 AM
I just disagree, guys. Star players for clubs like Genoa (Izzo) or Sassuolo (Acerbi) turn down Lazio and wait for the traditional powerhouses or perceived 'big' clubs. Don't take my word for it, look at Gabbiadini - he admitted rejecting Lazio because he didn't see it as enough of a step up on Sampdoria. Now I get that's just one player, but where's the star player at mid-table club that decided Lazio was a good next career move?

If I was Tare, I'd be keen on Izzo - perfect player for this Lazio - but I'm certain in my own mind Izzo ends ups at Juve, one of the Milan clubs or Napoli/1927. If he was to sign for Lazio, he would have to sign a 4-5 year deal and if he sign that, he doesn't get to move for at least 3 years and Lazio will do everything to make sure he ends up abroad.

This is what I perceive to be our reality, and why I predict come February, everyone is disappointed.

Regarding spending beyond our means, yes we can do it - Inter, Milan and 1927 have done it - and it's not working out well for them is it? I don't want to be in a position where we spend 15-20 million on a centre-back, miss CL, and have to sell Immobile or SMS in the summer.

you must be hopeful first to be disappointed,

Any Laziale that still hopeful Lottio would do massive or at least meaningful transfer in January is naive ones

 :whistle:
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: Cathal on January 08, 2018, 08:54:51 AM
After Juventus and Napoli, Merda and Lazio are the best placed to land Izzo.

Our best players continually leave us for Milan clubs. Why do you think Izzo would join us over Inter or Milan? They can pay more, they are traditionally bigger clubs and they are more likely to win big trophies before we do. 95-99% of players, in my opinion, choose one of them over us. If I wasn't a Lazio fan, I'd do the same. Wouldn't think twice.

@ilsemprelaziale: if we were to go in for Izzo, for example, it would cost us maybe 15 million in a transfer fee and maybe 10 million in salary over a 5-year contract. That would be 25 million total, and it takes Lazio about 3-4 months to earn that sort of money. In average person terms, that's like earning 30,000 per year and buying a 10,000 car. Now keep in mind if Lazio was a person, they'd need to have about 25 cars.

You tell me f that has an effect on your future spend  :supsmile:
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: christ_JM on January 08, 2018, 08:56:41 AM
I agree, I don't think we will sign someone and if Bastos or Wallace stop these errors then there is little to worry about
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: christ_JM on January 08, 2018, 08:58:16 AM
After Juventus and Napoli, Merda and Lazio are the best placed to land Izzo.

Our best players continually leave us for Milan clubs. Why do you think Izzo would join us over Inter or Milan? They can pay more, they are traditionally bigger clubs and they are more likely to win big trophies before we do. 95-99% of players, in my opinion, choose one of them over us. If I wasn't a Lazio fan, I'd do the same. Wouldn't think twice.

@ilsemprelaziale: if we were to go in for Izzo, for example, it would cost us maybe 15 million in a transfer fee and maybe 10 million in salary over a 5-year contract. That would be 25 million total, and it takes Lazio about 3-4 months to earn that sort of money. In average person terms, that's like earning 30,000 per year and buying a 10,000 car. Now keep in mind if Lazio was a person, they'd need to have about 25 cars.

You tell me f that has an effect on your future spend  :supsmile:

Why did De Vrij choose us over Man Utd?

I agree that Inter and Milan would be front runners (money wise to clarify), but at this moment in time, we are at our most attractive for some years.
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: campiador on January 08, 2018, 09:57:16 AM
Wallace has been pretty on par with Radu and De Vrij, who have both been at fault for a similar number of goals as him.



Thank you Stefano for your valuable analysis. The analysis would be even more informative if we also consider how many minutes each of (Bastos/Wallace) has played.

According to Transfermarkt Bastos has played 1441 minutes. You report 6 goal-costing mistakes. When you divide 1441 by 6, the result is 240. Meaning Bastos makes one mistake every 240 minutes.

As for Wallace, he has played a total of 612 minutes. With 3 mistakes, he is making one mistake every 204 minutes.

This means Wallace is more mistake-prone than Bastos. 240/204 = 1.17, so Wallace makes mistakes 17% more frequently than Bastos.
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: stefano_40 on January 08, 2018, 02:41:07 PM
Wallace has been pretty on par with Radu and De Vrij, who have both been at fault for a similar number of goals as him.



Thank you Stefano for your valuable analysis. The analysis would be even more informative if we also consider how many minutes each of (Bastos/Wallace) has played.

According to Transfermarkt Bastos has played 1441 minutes. You report 6 goal-costing mistakes. When you divide 1441 by 6, the result is 240. Meaning Bastos makes one mistake every 240 minutes.

As for Wallace, he has played a total of 612 minutes. With 3 mistakes, he is making one mistake every 204 minutes.

This means Wallace is more mistake-prone than Bastos. 240/204 = 1.17, so Wallace makes mistakes 17% more frequently than Bastos.

Edit: Apologies, I posted this here originally and then moved it to the transfers thread while forgetting to delete the post here.

But, once again, the amount of mistakes per minute (which I did say was maybe a fair point) is not the main argument that I am putting forward. Its the nature of the mistakes that Bastos has made, and the fact that they have been repeated that I am getting at.

Think about Mauricio, who was a good defender maybe 80-90% of the time. He had a knack of getting sent off. The first time you can forgive it, the second maybe it was a coincidence, but the third and fourth and so on are where we started to get annoyed.

I completely see why Bastos has his fans, there have been games that he has been fantastic in, as with Wallace. But if he is good 90% of the time, but is horribly out of position on a number of occasions, leading to goals conceded, that's where I lose my patience. I like to see people learn from their mistakes.

I just think that when it comes down to it, Wallace is younger, more positionally aware and much less likely to make fatal errors. That's why I prefer him to Bastos.
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: Delta on January 08, 2018, 04:22:42 PM
After Juventus and Napoli, Merda and Lazio are the best placed to land Izzo.

Our best players continually leave us for Milan clubs. Why do you think Izzo would join us over Inter or Milan? They can pay more, they are traditionally bigger clubs and they are more likely to win big trophies before we do. 95-99% of players, in my opinion, choose one of them over us. If I wasn't a Lazio fan, I'd do the same. Wouldn't think twice.

@ilsemprelaziale: if we were to go in for Izzo, for example, it would cost us maybe 15 million in a transfer fee and maybe 10 million in salary over a 5-year contract. That would be 25 million total, and it takes Lazio about 3-4 months to earn that sort of money. In average person terms, that's like earning 30,000 per year and buying a 10,000 car. Now keep in mind if Lazio was a person, they'd need to have about 25 cars.

You tell me f that has an effect on your future spend  :supsmile:

Why did De Vrij choose us over Man Utd?

I agree that Inter and Milan would be front runners (money wise to clarify), but at this moment in time, we are at our most attractive for some years.

Not really disagree with all this... but those high paid place in Milano are very limited, lets say CB position... if we say there is 5 CB places in Inter, Milan and Juve it makes only 15 CBs total. Some CBs are out of our money league anyway like Bonucci, Chiellini, Benatia, Rugani, Miranda, Skriniar for sure so actual number is below 10. I am very sure that there is more than 10 CBs in Serie A alone who would be upgrade for us... because right now situation is very bad. IF we can catch CL situation could be very rewarding for someone coming from club who cant even dream about CL, no?
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: Don on January 11, 2018, 07:27:33 PM
Isn't it hurting to have no Lazio this Weekend..., guys??!  :wuzz:

I mean, makes life sense this Weekend to someone?  :ohnoo:  :supsmile:
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: Sile on January 11, 2018, 07:49:45 PM
Yep, this weekend will feel empty without Lazio to wreck my nerves
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: Evesto on January 11, 2018, 08:07:13 PM
Yep, this weekend will feel empty without Lazio to wreck my nerves

Aren't you usually out biking during most games ....  :whistle:      :beer:
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: Sile on January 11, 2018, 08:38:16 PM
Don't be jealous because we have mountains!!!
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: Don on January 11, 2018, 09:10:17 PM
Don't be jealous because we have mountains!!!
:bravo: Enjoy!  :beer:
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: Evesto on January 11, 2018, 09:21:12 PM
Don't be jealous because we have mountains!!!

You'd enjoy yourself in Belgium to buddy.   :beer:
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: LAZIALE from Moldova on January 11, 2018, 11:02:37 PM
We have to win this game.

I expect 3 or 4-0

Hope Immobile will score again  :stendvl:
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: stefano_40 on January 12, 2018, 09:16:19 AM
Will be at this march in a week's time. Somehow overlooked the fact that Chievo are a pain in the ass of a team to play against, so expecting a typically stressful Lazio leaving it late sort of performance.

Main worry is the Udinese and Milan games 3 and 7 days later, so it will be interesting to see what is done by means of rotation. Genuinely can't see past a full team for Chievo, a few rested for Udinese and a full team for Milan. Personally, the Milan game is the most straightforward of the three..
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: phantomm1976 on January 13, 2018, 06:17:51 PM
 Week when we can see our true force, three serie-a matches in 7 days(two of them at home).
 I hope that now when FA-Nani are back it will be easier for Inzaghi to use rotation.
 I hope Caicedo is fine and can have some min in both home matches leaving enough time for Ciro to be ready for San siro match.
 One of those two matches are great chance for 4 men defense.
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: Don on January 13, 2018, 06:37:26 PM
Will be at this march in a week's time. Somehow overlooked the fact that Chievo are a pain in the ass of a team to play against, so expecting a typically stressful Lazio leaving it late sort of performance.

Main worry is the Udinese and Milan games 3 and 7 days later, so it will be interesting to see what is done by means of rotation. Genuinely can't see past a full team for Chievo, a few rested for Udinese and a full team for Milan. Personally, the Milan game is the most straightforward of the three..
I hope we will play the risk and rest two of Lulic, Parolo, Leiva with Murgia and Lukaku against Udine and or Genoa...
And or SMS or LA with FA and Nani..

Chievo is not the time though, as we need a good start and have full week to recover...
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: badboyyy on January 13, 2018, 09:19:08 PM
in this match Inzaghi goes with the same line up, which he played against Spal, only concern about left flank and Lukaku. Bastos or Wallace, Basta or Marusic, and Lulic or Lukaku.
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: dinhochester on January 15, 2018, 06:46:59 AM
One game at a time.
My preferred lineup:
               Strakosha
          Bastos Devrij Luiz
Basta Parolo Leiva Sergej Lulic
                   Luis
               Immobile
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: Nando87 on January 16, 2018, 04:51:14 PM
This game should be a no contest, chievo stink, history aside (meaningless) we have the right tools and form to win.
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: Cathal on January 18, 2018, 11:32:50 AM
Been on something of a winter break myself, but from what I gather, Marusic hasn't been triaining this week. Basta expected to start against Chievo while Caceres and Bastos are said to be competing for a place in the XI. Wallace set to keep his place, and everyone else for that matter.
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: Evesto on January 18, 2018, 08:04:43 PM
Practice games today in training, in the usual 3511.

Caceres and Bastos tested on LCB, one of them will replace Radu saturday.  Caceres scored.  :twinkle:
Nani was tested as striker, Felipe behind him.  Nani scored twice.
Alberto also played in his usual role and was described as inspiring, and in great shape.

Patric again tested on RCB, Ramos on CB.
Murgia both on DM and RCM, Lulic both LM and LCM.

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Maybe this shows Inzaghi is depending on Murgia and Lulic for 2 positions each.
And Nani might in fact be seen as the vice Immobile, something i'm keen on succeeding.
Nani can be played out reasonably similar and requires fewer adjustments for the others then playing with Caicedo.
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: Akha on January 19, 2018, 12:03:07 AM
Chievo at home, boy do I hate these matches. Every season same story, hope this time we get it right.
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: dinhochester on January 19, 2018, 03:56:16 AM
Interesting to see who will Inzaghi put as LCB and RCB in this match.
I prefer Bastos and Luiz Felipe to go ahead than Wallace.
Bastos and Luiz Felipe are much quicker than Wallace.
I think Bastos can also play very well as LCB.
For Caceres, perhaps he need more time to blend in and can start in the match after Chievo.

Probable lineup:
                Strakosha
      Wallace Devrij Bastos
Basta Parolo Leiva Sergej Lulic
                    Alberto
                  Immobile

         Pucciarelli Pellissier
                    Birsa
   Hetemaj Radovanovic Bastien
Gobbi Tomovic Dainelli Cacciatore
                  Sorrentino

Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: phantomm1976 on January 19, 2018, 05:12:31 PM
 I hope that we will not miss our chances in first half and than to suffer like vs fiore in coppa(or serie-a match).
 We should finish this match in first half and give some time to Nani-Caicedo-FA in second half.
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: Crni Đorđe on January 19, 2018, 10:07:36 PM
Chievo at home, boy do I hate these matches. Every season same story, hope this time we get it right.

One of rare clubs against which we have negative home record.   :razz:
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: Evesto on January 20, 2018, 06:47:54 PM
Chievo at home, boy do I hate these matches. Every season same story, hope this time we get it right.

One of rare clubs against which we have negative home record.   :razz:

A win tomorrow would be beating them twice in one season.

Beating them twice in one season is currently dating from the 2013-2014 season, so that's actually not so  long ago.  I had to look it up since i tought it would have been much longer.
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: Evesto on January 20, 2018, 07:07:47 PM
PROBABILE FORMAZIONE (3-5-1-1): Strakosha; Bastos, de Vrij, Wallace; Marusic, Parolo, Leiva, Milinkovic, Lulic; Luis Alberto; Immobile. A disp. Vargic, Guerrieri, Caceres, Patric, Luiz Felipe, Basta, Murgia, Jordao, Lukaku, Felipe Anderson, Nani, Neto

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Marusic would be surprising after not training several days and only back in the group shortly.  If so there's obviously a real preference towards playing him in games we need to make it happen ourselves.

Caceres ready to come in from the bench, good decision imo at this stage.
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: campiador on January 20, 2018, 10:33:02 PM
Radu injured?!
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: Evesto on January 20, 2018, 10:33:57 PM
Radu injured?!

suspended
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: edo_shehb on January 21, 2018, 03:26:28 AM
PROBABILE FORMAZIONE (3-5-1-1): Strakosha; Bastos, de Vrij, Wallace; Marusic, Parolo, Leiva, Milinkovic, Lulic; Luis Alberto; Immobile. A disp. Vargic, Guerrieri, Caceres, Patric, Luiz Felipe, Basta, Murgia, Jordao, Lukaku, Felipe Anderson, Nani, Neto

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Marusic would be surprising after not training several days and only back in the group shortly.  If so there's obviously a real preference towards playing him in games we need to make it happen ourselves.

Caceres ready to come in from the bench, good decision imo at this stage.

remind me how many times neto in our bench already anyone?

I mean if Inzaghi really (still) unsure bout this kid, why not place other young player he have enough faith?
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: Evesto on January 21, 2018, 03:41:30 AM
PROBABILE FORMAZIONE (3-5-1-1): Strakosha; Bastos, de Vrij, Wallace; Marusic, Parolo, Leiva, Milinkovic, Lulic; Luis Alberto; Immobile. A disp. Vargic, Guerrieri, Caceres, Patric, Luiz Felipe, Basta, Murgia, Jordao, Lukaku, Felipe Anderson, Nani, Neto

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Marusic would be surprising after not training several days and only back in the group shortly.  If so there's obviously a real preference towards playing him in games we need to make it happen ourselves.

Caceres ready to come in from the bench, good decision imo at this stage.

remind me how many times neto in our bench already anyone?

I mean if Inzaghi really (still) unsure bout this kid, why not place other young player he have enough faith?

It's very simple Edo, Inzaghi is putting everybody that's fit and is a part of the selection on the bench each time.  So i don't know wich other young prospect could take Neto or Jordao's place.  Miceli yes, and he's been on the bench a few times also.

Those kids come from Portugal and weren't even starters.  Neto even hardly had minutes there.
Look at Alberto for example.  He needed practicly a full year to get used to the tactical changes, the fysical requirements and the enviremont.  So it's kind of obvious to me that those kids will need at least thesame amount of time before starting to appear now and then.  They are here on loan for 2 years first so there's absolutly no pressure to use them whatsoever.  They are learning with there eyes from the bench, sniffing up the atmosphere and training.  We can't expect more then that imo.

If Jordao would be anything close to appearing now and then Tare wouldn't be looking at the market further right now that's for sure.
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: moody on January 21, 2018, 08:25:12 AM
If they aren't on the bench, even more people would be complaining...
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: edo_shehb on January 21, 2018, 09:05:40 AM
PROBABILE FORMAZIONE (3-5-1-1): Strakosha; Bastos, de Vrij, Wallace; Marusic, Parolo, Leiva, Milinkovic, Lulic; Luis Alberto; Immobile. A disp. Vargic, Guerrieri, Caceres, Patric, Luiz Felipe, Basta, Murgia, Jordao, Lukaku, Felipe Anderson, Nani, Neto

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Marusic would be surprising after not training several days and only back in the group shortly.  If so there's obviously a real preference towards playing him in games we need to make it happen ourselves.

Caceres ready to come in from the bench, good decision imo at this stage.

remind me how many times neto in our bench already anyone?

I mean if Inzaghi really (still) unsure bout this kid, why not place other young player he have enough faith?

It's very simple Edo, Inzaghi is putting everybody that's fit and is a part of the selection on the bench each time.  So i don't know wich other young prospect could take Neto or Jordao's place.  Miceli yes, and he's been on the bench a few times also.

Those kids come from Portugal and weren't even starters.  Neto even hardly had minutes there.
Look at Alberto for example.  He needed practicly a full year to get used to the tactical changes, the fysical requirements and the enviremont.  So it's kind of obvious to me that those kids will need at least thesame amount of time before starting to appear now and then.  They are here on loan for 2 years first so there's absolutly no pressure to use them whatsoever.  They are learning with there eyes from the bench, sniffing up the atmosphere and training.  We can't expect more then that imo.

If Jordao would be anything close to appearing now and then Tare wouldn't be looking at the market further right now that's for sure.

damn I missed the fact jordao also in the bench (I thought it was jordan lukaku)

I'm not insisting that both of em need/should have minutes, I mean if inzaghi thought they could play, they will play, he give minutes to crecco/palombi and almost nobody impressed with them yet to say the least

what I'm saying we reaaaaaally need a bench that can be count on in time of need, what we have right now, its not  :rolley:

Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: blue_sky on January 21, 2018, 09:19:17 AM
That's also the point why Inzaghi is giving a chance to Micelli, Cresco, Palombi, Murgia, Felipe Luiz but not equally treatment to Jordao and Neto. Why ?
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: edo_shehb on January 21, 2018, 09:41:58 AM
That's also the point why Inzaghi is giving a chance to Micelli, Cresco, Palombi, Murgia, Felipe Luiz but not equally treatment to Jordao and Neto. Why ?

I believe many has answer this already, because we think inzaghi dont think they ready, sure I hope they just not ready yet, not not ready ever  :beer:

Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: badboyyy on January 21, 2018, 10:06:57 AM
They all played in EL not in Seria A (only Luiz and Murgia played in Seria A and they are way more complete players than these two youngsters) plus they cant play in EL
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: Cathal on January 21, 2018, 10:56:51 AM
Yeah, most of our young players have got their minutes in Europa League, which Pedro Neto and Bruno Jordao were not eligible to play in. So in asking why certain players had an opportunity and others did not, part of it is down to simple availability.

Bruno Jordao is proven in Portugal's second division while Pedro Neto burst on the scene very quickly in Portugal (he is 17, after all). Had both of them stayed at Braga, they'd have been in the first team this season, would've got time and would've had to make an impression.

I personally think that Inzaghi is giving them time to adapt to Italian football and to Roman life and that we'll only see them when they're ready. With young players, it is always about timing.

For example, we launched Lombardi at the right time, off the back of an impressive pre-season and in the first Serie A game of last season when we were short on options and he delivered. We didn't do the same for Palombi, throwing him in against SPAL when the whole team was lacklustre following the Supercoppa exploits. And that is largely why Lombardi made an impact last season as a whole and Palombi ended up in Salerno.

There's rumours Inzaghi is planning on using Jordao in the second half of the season, but if both go the entire season without playing, I'll neither be surprised nor worried.

I mean, we're struggling to get Felipe Anderson minutes never mind these kids. Victims of our own success.
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: Cathal on January 21, 2018, 01:58:31 PM
(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/DUEPRjGW0AAicim.jpg)
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on January 21, 2018, 03:23:54 PM
GOOOOOL

Luis Alberto! great work from Marusic
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on January 21, 2018, 03:25:10 PM
and 1-1

Bastos again..

Remind me people, why does he still play for us? fuc king useless defender..
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: Delta on January 21, 2018, 03:25:58 PM
Grazie Bastos!
He only needs little bit more time to adapt  :whistle:
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: Hadi Van Der Vaart on January 21, 2018, 03:28:32 PM
Every time Bastos showed how idiot he is, every time I wonder where that dinho's opinion about Bastos being our best defender comes from!
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: Cathal on January 21, 2018, 03:30:16 PM
I reckon the person responsible for this...

(https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article6545411.ece/ALTERNATES/s1200/Martin-Caceres-Ferrari-crashed-into-parked-cars-and-a-bus-shelter-TEASER-IMAGE-ONLY.jpg)

...can be trusted more than Bastos...
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: Biancocelesti on January 21, 2018, 03:30:48 PM
I think Wallace is at fault for the goal? Mistimed the offside trap. But Bastos defending didn't make it any better.
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: circleplus on January 21, 2018, 03:31:13 PM
playing with defenders like Bastos should be one of the reason for De Vrij hesitating to renew his contract.
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on January 21, 2018, 03:32:00 PM
2-1 Sergej
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on January 21, 2018, 03:34:00 PM
I reckon the person responsible for this...

(https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article6545411.ece/ALTERNATES/s1200/Martin-Caceres-Ferrari-crashed-into-parked-cars-and-a-bus-shelter-TEASER-IMAGE-ONLY.jpg)

...can be trusted more than Bastos...

Who did it better

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0YbRv5IAAAPPNc.jpg)
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on January 21, 2018, 03:35:09 PM
Ciro out, injured..some sort of muscle issue.

Felipe on
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: Delta on January 21, 2018, 03:35:14 PM
This is not good  :ohnoo:
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: kevlar on January 21, 2018, 03:37:24 PM
Reckon it's a rather precautionary substitution to not make it worse, I hope...
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: Cathal on January 21, 2018, 03:37:41 PM
I think Wallace is at fault for the goal? Mistimed the offside trap. But Bastos defending didn't make it any better.

All three centre-backs were running backwards, so there was no real offside trap, I guess. With that in mind, have to wonder why Bastos allowed Pucciarelli to get the wrong side of him, get the run on him and mistime the header. That's basically three mistakes in one.

We're ahead now and hopefully we'll go onto win, but making CL when you field defenders who can't do the very basics is a tough ask.
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on January 21, 2018, 03:42:25 PM
Felipe has looked good so far, hoping he can score a goal today
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on January 21, 2018, 03:46:23 PM
is he not even going to check VAR? that looked like a dive..
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on January 21, 2018, 03:47:55 PM
denied penalty, thank god
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: kevlar on January 21, 2018, 03:48:31 PM
Ok, no penalty, but what the actual f*ck is our defence doing ffs?
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: Delta on January 21, 2018, 03:49:10 PM
I thought obvious simulation to con ref is bookable  :rolley:
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: Stefano6 on January 21, 2018, 03:49:21 PM
About time a VAR decision went our way
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: Addi1900 on January 21, 2018, 03:50:29 PM
Wasn't it Bastos pass that started all of this? He's having a rough day.
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on January 21, 2018, 03:50:47 PM
Chievo has had nothing in this match and yet they are very much still in it, because of a dumb defender. It's so frustrating...
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: Biancocelesti on January 21, 2018, 03:51:08 PM
I think Wallace is at fault for the goal? Mistimed the offside trap. But Bastos defending didn't make it any better.

All three centre-backs were running backwards, so there was no real offside trap, I guess. With that in mind, have to wonder why Bastos allowed Pucciarelli to get the wrong side of him, get the run on him and mistime the header. That's basically three mistakes in one.

We're ahead now and hopefully we'll go onto win, but making CL when you field defenders who can't do the very basics is a tough ask.

You're right. He also made the initial mistake with that pass which almost got a penalty against us. I doubt we'll see him play again. Caceres will play from the next one.
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: drazvan on January 21, 2018, 03:52:05 PM
Wasn't it Bastos pass that started all of this? He's having a rough day.

It was de vrij who did not run...var worked well for us, there was no penalty but our defense should wake up. All 3 made errors.
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: Evesto on January 21, 2018, 03:52:40 PM
Again, where's the yellow for diving?  Our opponents seemt to be allowed that all season ...  :roll_eyes:

Wasn't it Bastos pass that started all of this? He's having a rough day.

A rough season you mean .  :whistle:
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: ArmLaziale on January 21, 2018, 03:52:46 PM
Even the commentator was like - Lazio have not been lucky with the VAR so far.
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: moody on January 21, 2018, 03:54:17 PM
watching live at the stadium, this game is giving heart attacks!
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: Addi1900 on January 21, 2018, 03:54:47 PM
Again, where's the yellow for diving?  Our opponents seemt to be allowed that all season ...  :roll_eyes:

Wasn't it Bastos pass that started all of this? He's having a rough day.

A rough season you mean .  :whistle:
:beer:
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: Secret_Samadhi on January 21, 2018, 03:56:29 PM
Didn't catch the first half, what happened to Ciro?
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on January 21, 2018, 03:57:08 PM
Didn't catch the first half, what happened to Ciro?

He got a muscle/thigh injury early on and tried to play with it. I didn't see the incident where it happened, but hope it's not serious as we need him next weekend against Milan
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: circleplus on January 21, 2018, 03:57:41 PM
why the shameful Chievo player was not punished for his diving action in the penalty area?
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: Ed on January 21, 2018, 03:59:18 PM
Chievo at home is rarely easy...

Good old VAR gives the correct decision but why didn't the ref also then book their player for a blatant dive?

I'm concerned that Immobile motioned that he wanted to come off but then carried on for twenty minutes before finally being substituted. If he felt something in his muscle then surely the sensible solution was to take him off immediately as a precaution. It must be better to be safe than sorry, especially with our main striker. Let's pray that the extra twenty minutes exertion hasn't actually caused something more serious.
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: emhad on January 21, 2018, 04:01:55 PM
Really concerned with Immobile's injury. Hope nothing serious.
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: Eaton_swfc on January 21, 2018, 04:02:09 PM
Didn't catch the first half, what happened to Ciro?

He got a muscle/thigh injury early on and tried to play with it. I didn't see the incident where it happened, but hope it's not serious as we need him next weekend against Milan

Litterally pulled the muscle shooting in the 5th minute. Signalled to come off straight away but stayed on until nearly 20 minutes.
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: Lazio Forever on January 21, 2018, 04:07:45 PM
Felipe as striker.
Interesting  :offlag:
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: Evesto on January 21, 2018, 04:08:59 PM
Hard to say such things.  All i know is we will be playing every 3 days for a while and it probably won't be with Ciro.  Luckely at this point Nani & Felipe will be eager to prove themselves.  Of course it's hard to be very optimistic as Ciro is our main goalscorer.
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on January 21, 2018, 04:13:14 PM
Wallace are you serious?

God I am so fed up with our defenders..
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: campiador on January 21, 2018, 04:17:33 PM
Honestly Lulic is one level below everyone in our team. Except for defenders and marusic.
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on January 21, 2018, 04:18:10 PM
The team needs to wake up now, Chievo are pressuring hard so far in the 2nd half
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: Delta on January 21, 2018, 04:23:39 PM
Stop losing possession ffs...
Lukaku must do well here now
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on January 21, 2018, 04:25:19 PM
You can see Chievo is trying to target the room between the midfielders and defenders to force a 1v1 situation against our CBs. It's a genius tactic because only one of our CBs are capable it seems.

Lulic off now, good as he was looking exhausted.

Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on January 21, 2018, 04:28:42 PM
3 1 sergej, great goal
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: Delta on January 21, 2018, 04:31:21 PM
We might actually outscore all Serie A teams like this  :what: :what: :what:
Only way to achieve top 4 with this defending but seriously...how cool is that  :vcool:
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on January 21, 2018, 04:35:21 PM
Almost hattrick by Sergente
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on January 21, 2018, 04:44:01 PM
4-1 Bastos

Yes, Bastos..
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: Delta on January 21, 2018, 04:45:20 PM
Not all forwards can do that haha... maybe he is just playing wrong end of field!
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on January 21, 2018, 04:47:01 PM
5-1 Nani!
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: Evesto on January 21, 2018, 04:54:09 PM
We have a strange team, very special .....  :whistle:

 :offlag:
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on January 21, 2018, 04:55:40 PM
FT 5-1

Great win for us, I was a bit worried with our goal scoring capabilities without Ciro! I hope the team can build on this against Udinese.
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: Evesto on January 21, 2018, 04:57:10 PM
Post matchtopic is open but not completed, no time right now.  I will do it later this evening.
Just going to put up the poll.
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: BioHazarD on January 21, 2018, 04:59:16 PM
Inzaghi wasn't in a mood even at 5:1, I hope it's nothing to do with Immobile's injury.
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: edo_shehb on January 21, 2018, 04:59:49 PM
Not all forwards can do that haha... maybe he is just playing wrong end of field!

he should be our 4th choice CB and 3rd choice CF  :offlag:
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: blue_sky on January 21, 2018, 05:03:44 PM
3 things sum up for this match:
1. Bastos, Wallace and DV defensive co-workers is so so. Against bigger team, we'll regret it
2. FA is declining. Sell him maybe only 25 mil
3. Ciro is injured and we haven't backup
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: lazioserbia on January 21, 2018, 06:19:04 PM
Must say that I completely understand now why de Vrij wants to leave. Playing alongside Wallace and Bastos must be tiring for him.

Wallace and Bastos need to be benched. I would rather have Ramos and Caceres because this is getting ridiculous. We must sell them in the next mercato, they are far from reliable defenders. They could have cost us 3 goals today and if we did not have maestros in attack we would be ****ed.
Title: Re: Serie A: Lazio - Chievo, Sunday, 21-01-2017
Post by: Don on January 24, 2018, 12:05:59 PM
3 things sum up for this match:
1. Bastos, Wallace and DV defensive co-workers is so so. Against bigger team, we'll regret it
2. FA is declining. Sell him maybe only 25 mil
3. Ciro is injured and we haven't backup

1. Well they even have performed against so called bigger Teams..  but their unnecessary failure Rate is high...
2. FA has a problem getting into the Team due to the big Shadow of LA actually. There is pressure on him and I Think it is mental...we Need to get him on Track.. .
3. Caicedo and Nani are backups that will do their duty. Being back up. Having a 2nd Ciro on the bench isn't possible...