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Title: New stadium Lazio
Post by: bart on April 23, 2014, 06:33:53 PM
Last week was announced that they are planning to renovate stadio Flaminio.
Now they said there is a possiblity that Lazio will move to Flaminio.
What do you guys think is the best choice for la Lazio?
For me Flaminio is the best option!Its in the middle of the city were we belong!
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: bart on April 23, 2014, 06:37:39 PM


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Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on April 23, 2014, 08:10:05 PM
Where do you have that from?

And that is not flamino is it?
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: rich on April 23, 2014, 08:56:14 PM
Would stadio flamino cost alot to change so we could move to the stadio how far is it from stadio olimpico
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Zouma on April 23, 2014, 08:56:51 PM
It's the Flaminio, the main stand's at the bottom of the last photo so looks like that'll be the smallest side and the other three stands will be getting a second tier added.

I'm not sure if these images are from the planned expansion for the rugby or if their new, regardless while the work looks to be taking the capacity from 24,389 to 41,263 it's still a shell of a stadium without any boxes, executive seating etc that really generates money.

I'd still like to see us make a move to a facility like this though, better than shelling out millions in rent and having the fans chants lost in a giant half empty bowl.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: bart on April 23, 2014, 08:59:27 PM
 :scarfup:
Where do you have that from?

And that is not flamino is it?

http://m.romatoday.it/sport/flaminio-nuovo-stadio-della-lazio.html (http://m.romatoday.it/sport/flaminio-nuovo-stadio-della-lazio.html)
http://www.freenewspos.com/notizie/archivio/c/1633783/oggi/esclusiva-flaminio-il-progetto-esiste-ecco-lo-stadio-sognato-dai-laziali-ma-lotito-foto (http://www.freenewspos.com/notizie/archivio/c/1633783/oggi/esclusiva-flaminio-il-progetto-esiste-ecco-lo-stadio-sognato-dai-laziali-ma-lotito-foto)


Yes these are the plans to renovate Flaminio
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: bart on April 23, 2014, 09:00:24 PM
Would stadio flamino cost alot to change so we could move to the stadio how far is it from stadio olimpico
Would cost around 30mil
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: bart on April 23, 2014, 09:03:29 PM
:scarfup:
Where do you have that from?

And that is not flamino is it?

[url]http://m.romatoday.it/sport/flaminio-nuovo-stadio-della-lazio.html[/url] ([url]http://m.romatoday.it/sport/flaminio-nuovo-stadio-della-lazio.html[/url])
[url]http://www.freenewspos.com/notizie/archivio/c/1633783/oggi/esclusiva-flaminio-il-progetto-esiste-ecco-lo-stadio-sognato-dai-laziali-ma-lotito-foto[/url] ([url]http://www.freenewspos.com/notizie/archivio/c/1633783/oggi/esclusiva-flaminio-il-progetto-esiste-ecco-lo-stadio-sognato-dai-laziali-ma-lotito-foto[/url])


Yes these are the plans to renovate Flaminio


Another link from La lazio siamo noi : http://m.lalaziosiamonoi.it/editoriale/esclusiva-flaminio-il-progetto-esiste-ecco-lo-stadio-sognato-dai-laziali-ma-lotito-foto-43206 (http://m.lalaziosiamonoi.it/editoriale/esclusiva-flaminio-il-progetto-esiste-ecco-lo-stadio-sognato-dai-laziali-ma-lotito-foto-43206)
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Zouma on April 23, 2014, 09:03:41 PM
Would stadio flamino cost alot to change so we could move to the stadio how far is it from stadio olimpico

It's not that far, 800, 900 meters I think - just the other side of the Tiber.

There have been a few posts in here with quotes for converting the Flaminio, personally the work outlined in these images would probably cost at least €50m, but as I mentioned above this gives us a 41k stadium but it's not the money making 7 days a week facility we really need. It's a good start though.

OK, the link above says 35m to 40m - that's without delays and everything though!
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Undici Leoni on April 23, 2014, 09:16:19 PM
Would stadio flamino cost alot to change so we could move to the stadio how far is it from stadio olimpico

It's not that far, 800, 900 meters I think - just the other side of the Tiber.

There have been a few posts in here with quotes for converting the Flaminio, personally the work outlined in these images would probably cost at least €50m, but as I mentioned above this gives us a 41k stadium but it's not the money making 7 days a week facility we really need. It's a good start though.

OK, the link above says 35m to 40m - that's without delays and everything though!

It's just across the river and the other side of Piazza Mancini. The tram goes straight past it or a walk from Flaminio station.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on April 23, 2014, 09:26:18 PM
I have to say, I really don;t think 41k is enough for a stadium for this club. We need a 50k one..
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Crni Đorđe on April 23, 2014, 09:44:17 PM
41k is perfect.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Akha on April 23, 2014, 10:52:49 PM
I have to say, I really don;t think 41k is enough for a stadium for this club. We need a 50k one..

I share your view, 41000 is certainly too small for us and there is no point in building a new stadium just to reconstruct it few years later. But it is still science-fiction for me  :supsmile:
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: bart on April 23, 2014, 11:25:41 PM
I have to say, I really don;t think 41k is enough for a stadium for this club. We need a 50k one..

I share your view, 41000 is certainly too small for us and there is no point in building a new stadium just to reconstruct it few years later. But it is still science-fiction for me  :supsmile:
Flaminio will also be used for Rugby games.So its not only for Lazio.

 
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Evesto on April 24, 2014, 12:10:35 AM
Well Flaminio has my vote also.  41k is perfect, more chance af a full crowd in the future, empty seats don't ever look good for a club like Lazio.  Lot's of possibity's included to make some additional profits.

 :stendvl:
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Giolazio on April 24, 2014, 12:19:19 AM
I have to say, I really don;t think 41k is enough for a stadium for this club. We need a 50k one..

41k is perfect. Why should we have more seats than Juve?
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Hadi Van Der Vaart on April 24, 2014, 08:16:52 AM
Does this stadium have running track or not?
And if the rugby team still plays in flaminio, who own this stadium then?
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Zouma on April 24, 2014, 08:46:37 AM
There's no running track, the stands are pretty close to the pitch.

The rugby team outgrew Flaminio a few years back, they put up ugly temporary stands but they've now moved to the Olympico. Flaminio is still owned by the local council and CONI is responsible for it's day to day running.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Giolazio on April 24, 2014, 11:00:44 AM
Are we to own the Flaminio or will we still rent from CONI?
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Amir on April 24, 2014, 11:02:05 AM
Are we to own the Flaminio or will we still rent from CONI?

This is crucial - because Lotito insists on having a stadium under the ownership of the club.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: drazvan on April 24, 2014, 11:46:58 AM
Flaminio would make a nice home for us and 41k is just about the right number if you ask me.  I would be a bit more comfortable with something between 45k-50k, but we need to be realistic. We need a full stadium and the days we could gather 60-70k are over.

This is how it looks now:

(http://www.stopandgoal.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/flaminio.jpg)

(http://www.uscatanzaro.net/modules.php?name=IndyNews&MediaOp=show&idMediaAss=s17828&MediaName=Flaminio1.jpg&MediaNum=1)

And this is how it looked filled with Laziali:

(http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/3013156.jpg)

Last game I remember there was the friendly against Chelsea in 2003 (23 000 spectators, great atmosphere):

(http://www.laziowiki.org/wiki/File:18lug03a.jpg)

(http://www.forumlazioultras.it/Video/Foto/Stagione2003-2004/LazioChelsea180703_02.jpg)

Advantages:
-known home for Laziale
-reasonable costs to increase to a decent size
-good transport infrastructure
- might be too small for the derby, but on the other hand it might mean that we will see less riomanista so this is in my opinion an advantage

Disadvantages:
-if we would not own the stadium, there will still be a rent issue and then the investment would not be wise
-located close to Olimpico, meaning that we wont be able to play anyway home games at the same time with Merda (if they dont build their own stadium somewhere else)


Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: bart on April 24, 2014, 01:24:08 PM
Are we to own the Flaminio or will we still rent from CONI?

This is crucial - because Lotito insists on having a stadium under the ownership of the club.
I think we would still rent it.
L#tito still wants his stadium outside of Rome,but he knows it will take years before he gets approval.
The land where he wants to build is practacly a swamp area.
So this would be good solution.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Caput Mundi on April 24, 2014, 01:28:36 PM
The idea of building a big complex - ie more than just a stadium is a good one financially but it's impossible to build near the city centre. The land just doesn't exist.

Roma is building their new stadium near the old hippodrome. It's a huge moneymaker but it's miles out of the way. Being based at the Flaminio won't rake in as much cash as that but think of the soft power we'd generate from it as the only club playing in the heart of Rome.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: ArmLaziale on April 24, 2014, 06:56:51 PM
Although I would love to see us back at Flaminio and that's my number choice, I see no point if we are going to waste money there and pay rent after that.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Zouma on April 24, 2014, 07:23:59 PM

Advantages:
-known home for Laziale
-reasonable costs to increase to a decent size
-good transport infrastructure
- might be too small for the derby, but on the other hand it might mean that we will see less riomanista so this is in my opinion an advantage

Disadvantages:
-if we would not own the stadium, there will still be a rent issue and then the investment would not be wise
-located close to Olimpico, meaning that we wont be able to play anyway home games at the same time with Merda (if they dont build their own stadium somewhere else)

I wouldn't worry about this, even with two stadiums at opposite ends of the city I doubt it'd ever happen. For policing reasons cities with two big teams e.g Liverpool, Glasgow, Manchester have them play at home on alternative weeks so the police aren't overstretched should there be trouble. Even in Edinburgh the football and rugby kick of times are staggered to give the police time to get from one stadium to another.

The main disadvantage for me is the current plan is just for a shell of a stadium, even if we own the stadium we're not going to see a huge jump in revenue.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Giolazio on April 24, 2014, 08:10:55 PM
I wonder if the Flaminio can be purchased. CONI aren't going to get any revenue, since nobody is currently playing there, unless they expand the stadium and then what? Just rugby revenue? I think they would be stupid to not listen to offers.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Zouma on April 24, 2014, 11:18:17 PM
I can't see Italy going back to the Flaminio for 6 Nations games, not sure about friendlies/test games though. As you said, their not going to make much money from the Flaminio without the 6 Nations.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Giolazio on April 24, 2014, 11:39:04 PM
I can't see Italy going back to the Flaminio for 6 Nations games, not sure about friendlies/test games though. As you said, their not going to make much money from the Flaminio without the 6 Nations.

And that's the thing. Should Lazio and riomma move then CONI will have two stadiums and 1 rugby team. They really ought to think about striking a deal somewhere.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Aquile12 on April 25, 2014, 01:48:19 AM
Building a new stadium would be the second best thing Lotito's ever done (after saving us from bankruptcy of course). Flaminio is too small for us.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Crni Đorđe on April 25, 2014, 02:03:51 AM
Building a new stadium would be the second best thing Lotito's ever done (after saving us from bankruptcy of course). Flaminio is too small for us.
How 41k Flaminio is too small for us? By which parameters? We have average attendance of around 30k this season. Max was 44018 (against Roma, I think)
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: valdanito on April 25, 2014, 02:09:26 AM
Question is, does it have expansion capacity? If it does I am all in, for now 41k is MORE than good enough. However, if something were dramatically to change then we would eventually be "stuck" in a 41k stadium.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: valdanito on April 25, 2014, 02:10:37 AM
And to the poll. Stadio delle Aquile at what cost?
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Hadi Van Der Vaart on April 25, 2014, 06:37:45 AM
If we are going to rent this stadium again like in olimpico, I'd better stay in olimpico.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Giolazio on April 25, 2014, 10:41:17 AM
If we are going to rent this stadium again like in olimpico, I'd better stay in olimpico.

In my opinion if we are still going to rent I would much rather play at Flaminio. Flaminio is in the club's blood. The rent would be a lot cheaper and the atmosphere is incomparable. The Olimpico is old, cold and lacks any fire because the fans are too far from the pitch. The Flaminio can be every bit as intimidating as the Juventus Stadium.

Also, there is no way 41k is too small for us. It's perfect.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Cathal on April 25, 2014, 11:03:45 AM
Also, there is no way 41k is too small for us. It's perfect.

I think it is too small for us. Juventus is a bad example for any team in Serie A to follow with regard to a new stadium - most of their fans are not in Turin.

We've already exceeded the max attendance once this season and will do so again.  That is proof that we have the potential to outgrow a 41k seater so I don't think you can be satisfied with that.

Stamford Bridge is a 41k seater. 15 years ago, we had twice as many fans in our stand as they did, now we have half what we had and they have double. They fill 41k every week and they want to extend to 55k but they are not allowed to.

41k is too small - perhaps not at this moment, but if this is a move to improve us as a team, then it is too small as soon as the improvement comes a along. We need to expand to 41k minimum and have some sort of agreement whereby we can extend to 55k or so at a later date.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: drazvan on April 25, 2014, 11:11:06 AM
I sort of agree with Cathal. I think our initial number should be at least 45k with capacity to grow till 50-55k. That would be ideal. Flaminio with 41k (and with no real possibility to extend above that since it is in a more residential area than Olimpico) would be good enough for now and for Lotito's Lazio, but if we want to attract a new investor it might not work in our favor as this would be a major revenue limitation.

If the question is: if we cannot build a new Stadium, should we move to the extended Flaminio OR stay at Olimpico? I am all for Flaminio.

If the question is: if we can choose between building a new stadium with 50k+ seats or moving to Flaminio? I am for building a new stadium.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: blue-white on April 25, 2014, 11:31:45 AM
Don't agree. 41k is absolutely enough. And even if it would be for about 10.000 too small in about 20 years.... it is not the biggest problem. Better to fill/or nearly filled the stadium even against unattractive opponents than being half empty every second homegame. Better to keep it around 40k, with the technical possibility to build it up to around 50k.

And call me unmodern ... i'm not sure, but i really like the old style. No roofs - i like that. I know it is not modern, but i would keep that style. Maybe some changes ... only a little bit more modern stuff, but i think it would have a special athmosphere - a special spirit in that stadium.

If the question is: if we cannot build a new Stadium, should we move to the extended Flaminio OR stay at Olimpico? I am all for Flaminio.

If the question is: if we can choose between building a new stadium with 50k+ seats or moving to Flaminio? I am for building a new stadium.

I'm general for moving to Flaminio - no matter if we can build a completely new one or not.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Giolazio on April 25, 2014, 04:14:26 PM
Don't agree. 41k is absolutely enough. And even if it would be for about 10.000 too small in about 20 years.... it is not the biggest problem. Better to fill/or nearly filled the stadium even against unattractive opponents than being half empty every second homegame. Better to keep it around 40k, with the technical possibility to build it up to around 50k.

And call me unmodern ... i'm not sure, but i really like the old style. No roofs - i like that. I know it is not modern, but i would keep that style. Maybe some changes ... only a little bit more modern stuff, but i think it would have a special athmosphere - a special spirit in that stadium.

If the question is: if we cannot build a new Stadium, should we move to the extended Flaminio OR stay at Olimpico? I am all for Flaminio.

If the question is: if we can choose between building a new stadium with 50k+ seats or moving to Flaminio? I am for building a new stadium.

I'm general for moving to Flaminio - no matter if we can build a completely new one or not.

Exactly.

The only times we were above that was when we dominated football and had the best players in Europe. Even then we barely broke 50k. We are never likely to achieve that level of success again.

Ironically we are talking about 41k not being enough seats while the fans are staging an empty stadium protest.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Cathal on April 25, 2014, 04:43:56 PM
We didn't dominate world football then and we were at the top for a short period of time. Had we actually dominated football, we would've broke 60k easy.

That may never happen, sure, but it is as likely as Lazio having an average attendance of just 10k every week, at which point you guys would argue that a 41k seater is too big?

You have to prepare for all possibilities. To me, you guys are looking outside, seeing it is dry and deciding not to carry an umbrella for the day. I'm simply saying take the umbrella and put it up if it rains.

Should we ever replicate 2000, for example, 20% of Lazio fans would no longer be able to attend and you guys are saying that's justifiable as long as the stadium is loud for those fortunate enough not to but be shut out and for the players who earn their millions a week to revel in. I don't really see how that's acceptable.

The Olimipico is as too big as the Flaminio would be too small with the upgrade. I'm all for moving to the Flaminio, but it has to have scope to be as big as possible. Otherwise it's not a solution.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Giolazio on April 25, 2014, 04:48:22 PM
Yeah but that's the point. The Flaminio will be a temporary solution. perhaps it may a 10 or 20 year solution but it would do us very nicely and would suit us far better than the Olimpico. The key is whether or not we own it.

If we buy the stadium we will need to look at putting in suites and stuff like that - and have the possibility of further expansion. If we are just renting it and the plan is still somewhere down the line to build a soccer city then a 41k cauldron is perfect for the time being. 
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Cathal on April 25, 2014, 05:03:42 PM
Yeah but that's the point. The Flaminio will be a temporary solution. perhaps it may a 10 or 20 year solution but it would do us very nicely and would suit us far better than the Olimpico. The key is whether or not we own it.

Why would we want to own a 'temporary solution'?

The way I see it, it is a choice between moving into a 41k seater for the next 100 years or so, staying at the Olimipico or going to Lotitoland (which is not actually an option at present).

Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Giolazio on April 25, 2014, 05:07:10 PM
Yeah but that's the point. The Flaminio will be a temporary solution. perhaps it may a 10 or 20 year solution but it would do us very nicely and would suit us far better than the Olimpico. The key is whether or not we own it.

Why would we want to own a 'temporary solution'?

The way I see it, it is a choice between moving into a 41k seater for the next 100 years or so, staying at the Olimipico or going to Lotitoland (which is not actually an option at present).

Maybe I didn't make myself clear. I meant temporary because we wouldn't own Flaminio.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: blue-white on April 25, 2014, 05:08:06 PM
I don't see Flaminio as a temporary solution.
And to cathal - as i said before - i would create it in the way that i will always be able to build it up to about 50k. But for the moment (more than some years...) we don't need more than 40k
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Cathal on April 25, 2014, 05:22:49 PM
Maybe I didn't make myself clear. I meant temporary because we wouldn't own Flaminio.

No, it is probably me who is vague. I don't know why we would move on a temporary basis.

I haven't read recent reports, but there's no logic to a move without owning it. It's at 24k seater at the moment - too small. Who is going to make it a 41k seater? Lotito can only do it if he is buying it and CONI will only do it if it is going to cost us more than the Olimpico and if there's a secondary reason for development ie. accommodating the rugby.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Zouma on April 25, 2014, 05:54:56 PM
The rugby wouldn't go back to a 41k Flaminio, their pulling in 60/65k crowds at the Olympico for 6 nations games, why bother developing Flaminio when the end result is 25k too small?
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Cathal on April 25, 2014, 07:07:40 PM
The rugby wouldn't go back to a 41k Flaminio, their pulling in 60/65k crowds at the Olympico for 6 nations games, why bother developing Flaminio when the end result is 25k too small?

The rugby might not go back, but it was never their intention to end up in the Olimpico and it is still only a temporary solution, unless I am mistaken.

Also, from what I understand, there were plans to set up a Roman rugby team for the Celtic League and they were to play at the Flaminio, but it fell through. Could Lazio Rugby ever fulfil such an obligation? Could that be a factor? It is a pretty hypothetical discussion, but that's why I would be as open-minded as possible about the idea...

Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Zouma on April 25, 2014, 08:33:00 PM
Do you mean Praetorian Roma or whatever they were called back when the Italian teams joined? They aren't trying to start them again are they?

Given the crowds the Italian sides get you could fence off a public pitch and it'd do them, no need for the Flaminio!
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: CalcioFan on October 07, 2014, 08:10:18 AM
I know I'm a little late on this one, but this is the best news I've heard for Laziali for a long time.

Renovating the Flaminio which is grounds that has Lazio history on it, and creating a modern stadium with concession stands, restaurants, VIP boxes, etc. would be the perfect solution IMO.

A 41K stadium is perfect in my opinion. Take Juventus for example, sure people mock their stadium because its "small" but the atmosphere is incredible, you rarely see empty seats, and a big thing is that Juventus are able to control ticket prices much better as well, less seats more demand. Big stadiums in Italy (San Siro, Olimpico, etc) always look half empty on TV, what's the point of them? Any Italian club owner would be a fool to build such a large stadium in today's game.

Despite Roma's great season last season, they averaged 40K ticket sales for their home games. Which isn't a small number but its proof that its very hard to attract more than that in today's calcio. Maybe a couple games a season will hit 60K+ but what's the point of that? The rest of the games will have many empty seats. Build a 41K stadium and make up the difference of fewer seats with higher ticket prices due to demand.

Just imagine 40,000 Laziali in a full stadium cheering, eating and just having a good time. Imagine the profits that would bring in.

Another big thing is that the Flaminio is in the heart of Rome, let those 1927'ers move away from the city. The heart of Rome is where Lazio belong.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Broenco on October 07, 2014, 10:51:01 AM
Any update on this?
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Cathal on October 07, 2014, 10:54:24 AM
The latest news is that Lotito may build the original stadium plan on new land outside the city - exactly as planned before, just a slightly different location. A lot of rumours, not much substance.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Broenco on October 07, 2014, 10:57:00 AM
The latest news is that Lotito may build the original stadium plan on new land outside the city - exactly as planned before, just a slightly different location. A lot of rumours, not much substance.

Many thanks
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Eka_Baron on October 07, 2014, 11:23:49 AM
(http://i58.tinypic.com/2jd0r68.jpg)

La Republicca posted this some days ago. Probably more about talking,but its interesting.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on October 07, 2014, 12:17:55 PM
This stuff has been going on for 10 years now..personally I think there's a bigger chance we sill sign Messi than Lotito actually managing to 1: get the funds 2: get the approval to build a new stadium....

Probably a bigger chance of merda getting their own and we somehow buying Olimpico..which would probably be good business because it means we can rent it out for other sporting events..
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Giolazio on October 07, 2014, 01:08:51 PM
I wouldn't buy the Olimpico, it's a terrible stadium. Not that I think CONI would sell it anyway.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on October 07, 2014, 01:39:00 PM
I wouldn't buy the Olimpico, it's a terrible stadium. Not that I think CONI would sell it anyway.

I am in no way an expert in terms of calling a budget for it, but there's lots of potential for it...all because of the location.

Of course, one has to compare the price of buying Olimpico and rebuilding it compared to building a brand new stadium. Imagine the Olimpico with new stands closer to the pitch...it's only the inside of the stadium that has to be rebuilt really and Lotito could make it a proper all seater stadium with 50k easily..

I remember reading about the new emirates stadium costing Arsenal 500 mill euros to build. Ours would not need to be as big..50k is enough..but there's no way it would be done for less than 300 mill euros..

But yes you might be right, they might not want to sell it. It's just if merda is gone then only Lazio would be paying rent..probably not something CONI would like
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: CalcioFan on October 07, 2014, 02:45:12 PM
I think renovating the Olimpico would cost huge money and be very difficult. But it would be nice because its in the city.

I personally think taking down the current Flaminio and building a new stadium there would be the best bet.

But I guess land costs inside the city of Rome are huge, that's why Lotito is looking outside the city. I just hope one day soon Lazio get their own stadium, the revenue from the stadium will give the club a new life.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Cathal on October 07, 2014, 03:13:44 PM
Bottom line, if Lazio want to ever compete financially with other clubs, it will need to have a stadium within a complex on the outskirts of the city.

The problem? Such a stadium will make Lotito profitable rather than Lazio, and people are not keen to see Lazio's home exist outside the city.

The alternative though is either renovating the Flaminio, or renting/buying the Stadio Olimpico. Both stadiums are fine with me for different reasons, but there would come a point where we become increasingly less powerful.

It's a tough one. I actually voted for renovating the Flaminio on the original poll, but I do think if we move into Flaminio or we take control of Olimpico, there will come a point when people want us to move again as we will just not be able to compete with the other half of Rome.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: LofL on October 07, 2014, 03:31:55 PM
Lotito said ONCE in an interview almost 15 years ago that he wanted a new stadium far away from the city. Wouldn't be so sure thats what he still wants.

I agree with CalcioFan that tearing down Flaminio and building a new stadium there would be the best option, but not like imo. They problably don't want a 50k stadium that close to downtown Rome with all the extra traffic and parking on match days.

Imo, the most likely option is to work together with the city to plan a new suburb in Rome. They give Lazio a place to build, and start building houses and offices there, and the city build a new subway/train line to the location.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Done on October 07, 2014, 04:21:35 PM
The location for the stadium della Aquile, is just about cca 9km from stadium Olimpico current location. As I can see on google earth, it looks very nice surrounding over there, with the Tevere river crossing by. Its not so "far from the town", and it would be awsome project!

I think this is the location:

lat:  41°59'56.81"N
long: 12°30'24.94"E
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: CalcioFan on October 07, 2014, 09:06:26 PM
9km away from the current Stadio Olimpico is not that bad at all. What is that, an extra 10-15mins worth of driving?

I'm really curious and excited to know what Lotito is planning. (Hopefully he is planning something...)
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: sancho on October 12, 2014, 05:24:01 AM
9km away from the current Stadio Olimpico is not that bad at all. What is that, an extra 10-15mins worth of driving?

I'm really curious and excited to know what Lotito is planning. (Hopefully he is planning something...)


I suspect you can't drive anywhere in Rome in 10-15 minutes.   :smile:
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Giolazio on October 12, 2014, 03:10:02 PM
I think the new location proposed is perfect. It makes sense in modern football to have the stadium just outside the city. The Olimpico has poor infrastructure. This new place has a train station, is just off the autostrada and would have ample room for car parks etc.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: phantomm1976 on October 14, 2014, 09:55:07 AM
  In modern football everything have sense  :vcool:..
 The importance of location is the question for Roman members, I think it will be interesting for everyone.
 New stadium is something like new era of Lazio (we expect something serious).
 Football stadium (40000-50000) at least more than the half of the matches full, otherwise looks like full (if our attendance is around 30000-35000).
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Lazio_ade on October 14, 2014, 01:42:07 PM
It makes sense in modern football to have the stadium just outside the city.

Why?
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Giolazio on October 14, 2014, 01:48:43 PM
It makes sense in modern football to have the stadium just outside the city.

Why?

Because of infrastructure and the fact that presidents want to build a complex with shops, hotels etc. Also it keeps trouble out of the city on match day and therefore is easier to police. Most team stadiums are just outside the city nowadays.  This new place for example is closer to Rome city centre than Camp Nou is to Barcelona city centre.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Lazio_ade on October 15, 2014, 12:46:57 PM
Good for presidents, good for the police, but what about fans? I know it's not really possible to build a new stadium in the centre of Rome, or a lot of other cities, but the further out of the city you move the more you risk a dwindling support.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: ArmLaziale on October 15, 2014, 01:41:23 PM
I hoped we could BUY Flaminio and develope it, but I think we are only allowed to rent it.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Giolazio on October 15, 2014, 02:29:08 PM
Good for presidents, good for the police, but what about fans? I know it's not really possible to build a new stadium in the centre of Rome, or a lot of other cities, but the further out of the city you move the more you risk a dwindling support.

This stadiums location actually makes it easier to get to than the Olimpico is.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Lazio_ade on October 15, 2014, 04:18:45 PM
If you live next door to it maybe!  :beer:

I'm kidding obviously, but for all the Olimpico's failings at least it is actually possible to walk back into the city from there if you are trying to hail a taxi and (as is likely in Rome) you fail to get one. I know you talked about public transport being better at the new stadium but in my experience trams, trains, buses are a nightmare after a game and are best avoided. I would rather amble into the city on foot than be crushed while getting there twice as quickly.

Personally, I prefer stadiums which are in the centre of things (pubs, cafes, restaraunts, etc.) rather than newer stadiums which are in the middle of a wasteland somewhere. This is why I questioned your initial comment that it makes sense to have a stadium outside the city.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Lazio_ade on October 15, 2014, 04:27:23 PM
Just reading my post back rekindled a memory which kind of argues with my own point.
I was at the derby a few years back when Zarate and Rocchi were at their peak up front and we won 4-2 (Delio was manager at the time). It was in the afternoon, and we took the tram back into the city after the match.
Though the tram was crowded the trip was hugely entertaining because a scarfed and jersied-up Lazio fan on the tram kept making eye contact with everyone he could and then waving four fingers to them. Fellow Lazio fans such as ourselves would laugh and throw the four fingers back, while merda fans reacted with resigned disgust. One girl he waved the four fingers at was wearing a merda jersey and she was so sickened that she actually moved away from him to the other end of the tram!  :bravo:

So maybe public transport is the way to go after a derby win!
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Giolazio on October 15, 2014, 08:38:36 PM
Just reading my post back rekindled a memory which kind of argues with my own point.
I was at the derby a few years back when Zarate and Rocchi were at their peak up front and we won 4-2 (Delio was manager at the time). It was in the afternoon, and we took the tram back into the city after the match.
Though the tram was crowded the trip was hugely entertaining because a scarfed and jersied-up Lazio fan on the tram kept making eye contact with everyone he could and then waving four fingers to them. Fellow Lazio fans such as ourselves would laugh and throw the four fingers back, while merda fans reacted with resigned disgust. One girl he waved the four fingers at was wearing a merda jersey and she was so sickened that she actually moved away from him to the other end of the tram!  :bravo:

So maybe public transport is the way to go after a derby win!

 :supsmile:
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Cathal on October 17, 2014, 01:37:58 PM
If you live next door to it maybe!  :beer:

I'm kidding obviously, but for all the Olimpico's failings at least it is actually possible to walk back into the city from there if you are trying to hail a taxi and (as is likely in Rome) you fail to get one. I know you talked about public transport being better at the new stadium but in my experience trams, trains, buses are a nightmare after a game and are best avoided. I would rather amble into the city on foot than be crushed while getting there twice as quickly.

Personally, I prefer stadiums which are in the centre of things (pubs, cafes, restaraunts, etc.) rather than newer stadiums which are in the middle of a wasteland somewhere. This is why I questioned your initial comment that it makes sense to have a stadium outside the city.

Using Dublin as an example, I reckon it makes a lot of sense to have a stadium just outside of the city. Neither Croke Park or the Aviva are slap bang in the city centre meaning either stadium is either walking distance or a short bus/train/taxi trip from you or very far away. And in truth, even though you can easily walk from either stadium to the city centre, it can be damn difficult to get out of the city centre to where your home is.

I can get to Croke Park easily, but not to the Aviva. If we had just one stadium on the outskirts of the city in the right location, everyone from Dublin could make it there quite easily. Not saying I want that - just as I don't think Romans necessarily want to change current habits - but objectively speaking, it would probably be better in general.

Think Giannino's point was exactly that - you have a stadium just outside the city with proper transport links, then it might take people a while to get there, but nobody would be particularly disadvantaged other than those who had the stadium on their doorstep all along. It would surely be better for many fans.

When I see 30-40% of people from my home county travelling for anywhere from 2-6 hours to the stadium with absolutely no complaints for an amateur sport, I cannot help but think that anyone moaning about having to spend an hour making their way to the stadium once every couple of weeks has had it pretty easy.

Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on October 17, 2014, 01:49:29 PM
My problem is..we're not even close to being able to get started with it.

Lotito hasn't bought the land yet..there's nothing suggesting we will have the financial backing for this at all.

This could be 10 years away easily..
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: BelgioSSL on October 17, 2014, 01:58:20 PM
If you live next door to it maybe!  :beer:

I'm kidding obviously, but for all the Olimpico's failings at least it is actually possible to walk back into the city from there if you are trying to hail a taxi and (as is likely in Rome) you fail to get one. I know you talked about public transport being better at the new stadium but in my experience trams, trains, buses are a nightmare after a game and are best avoided. I would rather amble into the city on foot than be crushed while getting there twice as quickly.

Personally, I prefer stadiums which are in the centre of things (pubs, cafes, restaraunts, etc.) rather than newer stadiums which are in the middle of a wasteland somewhere. This is why I questioned your initial comment that it makes sense to have a stadium outside the city.

Using Dublin as an example, I reckon it makes a lot of sense to have a stadium just outside of the city. Neither Croke Park or the Aviva are slap bang in the city centre meaning either stadium is either walking distance or a short bus/train/taxi trip from you or very far away. And in truth, even though you can easily walk from either stadium to the city centre, it can be damn difficult to get out of the city centre to where your home is.

I can get to Croke Park easily, but not to the Aviva. If we had just one stadium on the outskirts of the city in the right location, everyone from Dublin could make it there quite easily. Not saying I want that - just as I don't think Romans necessarily want to change current habits - but objectively speaking, it would probably be better in general.

I get what you're saying and you do have a point. You should, however, take into consideration that Rome is a much bigger city and that Dublin public transport is a lot better organized than the Roman one. Roman public transport is something you just cannot rely on. Furthermore, Roman traffic is pure chaos. I'd be surprised if they'll manage to get good transport lines to and from the stadium. You never know though.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Giolazio on October 17, 2014, 02:07:36 PM
If you live next door to it maybe!  :beer:

I'm kidding obviously, but for all the Olimpico's failings at least it is actually possible to walk back into the city from there if you are trying to hail a taxi and (as is likely in Rome) you fail to get one. I know you talked about public transport being better at the new stadium but in my experience trams, trains, buses are a nightmare after a game and are best avoided. I would rather amble into the city on foot than be crushed while getting there twice as quickly.

Personally, I prefer stadiums which are in the centre of things (pubs, cafes, restaraunts, etc.) rather than newer stadiums which are in the middle of a wasteland somewhere. This is why I questioned your initial comment that it makes sense to have a stadium outside the city.

Using Dublin as an example, I reckon it makes a lot of sense to have a stadium just outside of the city. Neither Croke Park or the Aviva are slap bang in the city centre meaning either stadium is either walking distance or a short bus/train/taxi trip from you or very far away. And in truth, even though you can easily walk from either stadium to the city centre, it can be damn difficult to get out of the city centre to where your home is.

I can get to Croke Park easily, but not to the Aviva. If we had just one stadium on the outskirts of the city in the right location, everyone from Dublin could make it there quite easily. Not saying I want that - just as I don't think Romans necessarily want to change current habits - but objectively speaking, it would probably be better in general.

I get what you're saying and you do have a point. You should, however, take into consideration that Rome is a much bigger city and that Dublin public transport is a lot better organized than the Roman one. Roman public transport is something you just cannot rely on. Furthermore, Roman traffic is pure chaos. I'd be surprised if they'll manage to get good transport lines to and from the stadium. You never know though.

But that's the point. They are already there. There is a train station which goes straight to Termini and the land is minutes from the autostrada. The heavy Rome traffic is a further reason why it makes sense for me to move the stadium outside the city. The majority of Lazio fans are in the north so they wouldn't have to go through all the hustle and bustle.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Cathal on October 17, 2014, 02:22:39 PM
I'm willing to bet the transport system is worse in Dublin than it is in Rome, although others may be more qualified to comment. I live about 19km for the Aviva stadium and it would take me at least 2 hours and at least 3 forms of public transport to get there. I know things are bad in Rome, but that bad? Rome is a bigger city and more populated so obviously if you live there, you should expect that it is not exactly going to be a breeze getting from a to b.

I had to walk almost 4 miles home last week in the most densely populated area of Ireland during the most busy time of the week because the bus company decided not to run a bus every 10-15 minutes as timetabled, but every hour instead. That happen in Rome? Doubt it.

Severely doubt Rome is as bad, which is why I made the point. And on top of that, we Irish have no problem enduring it to go see our football teams. And on top of that again, as Giannino said, the transport is already in place for where we intend on building our stadium.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: fausto on October 17, 2014, 03:06:20 PM
I don't know really, the best stadiums imo area those next to underground stations, but that of course limits the expansion capacity of the stadium.
For example craven cottage and stamford bridge are very close to each other when viewed on the map, but stamford bridge is precisely next to fulham broadway station and while the london underground su.cked at times, it's so good to visit a stadium next to an underground station. when going abroad for trips underground's usually the prime method of travelling unless you're driving. (it helps that I live within walking distance from stamford bridge, 20 mins walking from south kensington)
santiago bernabeu is so easy to reach too, but when it involves suburban trains things start to get a bit complicated. imo it's always best to be located in the city, but if the stadium's located right next to a suburban train station, that wouldn't matter as much.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: CalcioFan on October 17, 2014, 03:12:09 PM
I just don't think staying in the Olimpico is beneficial to Lazio. The stadium has shown its age, the stands are far away from the pitch, its too big, etc.

The best would be to purchase the Flaminio land, demolish the current stadium and build a new one or go a bit outside the city and build a new stadium regardless of a bit of extra distance time.

If Lotito is serious on this, this could be huge for Lazio.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Lazio_ade on October 17, 2014, 04:38:36 PM
Using Dublin as an example, I reckon it makes a lot of sense to have a stadium just outside of the city. Neither Croke Park or the Aviva are slap bang in the city centre meaning either stadium is either walking distance or a short bus/train/taxi trip from you or very far away. And in truth, even though you can easily walk from either stadium to the city centre, it can be damn difficult to get out of the city centre to where your home is.

Why is it difficult? Surely Dublin city centre is the best place to be if you want to get somewhere? Trains, buses, private buses, etc. are all available, as are cafes and pubs if you need to wait an hour or two.

Imagine 40,000 people coming out of a stadium in, say, Ballymun. It would be great for drivers as it's beside the motorway, but a nightmare for everybody else - the majority of whom would be trying to make their way to the city to get a train or bus or similar...

That's why I think Croke Park (or Dalymount if it had been maintained) is in a perfect location.

By the way Lansdowne Road is still Lansdowne Road to me. I will start advertising A***a when they start paying me to do so!  :twinkle:
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Cathal on October 17, 2014, 04:46:47 PM
Why is it difficult? Surely Dublin city centre is the best place to be if you want to get somewhere? Trains, buses, private buses, etc. are all available, as are cafes and pubs if you need to wait an hour or two.

Imagine 40,000 people coming out of a stadium in, say, Ballymun. It would be great for drivers as it's beside the motorway, but a nightmare for everybody else - the majority of whom would be trying to make their way to the city to get a train or bus or similar...

That ties into the transport though no? If you live around the city centre or in the right part of Rome, Olimpico or Flaminio will be handier than a stadium north of the city, but if you're coming somewhere south, it's probably just as hard to get to Olimpico or Flaminio as it would to a stadium north of city with good transport links. Then you have the argument that most Lazio fans hail from the north anyway.

Ballymun would be difficult, but could get there quicker than to the Aviva Landsdowne Road (was going to call it Landsowne Road originally but thought I'd be correct about it!)

I don't really know what I'm saying now, other than the fact that I think having a stadium outside of the city is not a massive factor for anyone who goes to the stadium and is a hardcore fan of the club. It shouldn't be the difference between going and staying at home and putting your feet up in front of the TV.

Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: ArmLaziale on October 17, 2014, 09:38:50 PM
We have been bulding this stadium for a some long time already, I don't even dare thinking about it.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: CalcioFan on October 17, 2014, 10:33:46 PM
Hopefully now that 1927 is building their own stadium, it will push Lotito to do the same.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: sancho on October 18, 2014, 03:27:52 AM
The 2026 World Cup champion could be crowned before Lazio has a new stadium.   :roll_eyes:
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Eka_Baron on October 18, 2014, 10:43:53 AM
Hopefully now that 1927 is building their own stadium, it will push Lotito to do the same.

Im thinking the same. It will imo. But the hilarious thing is rioma get their plan succed for relatively a short time compating to us who have been planning all of this since 2004 and ten years later its still all talk,and the trigger for this case to be put up again is because the club rivalry is very close in finishing their planning.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Lazio_ade on October 18, 2014, 03:19:57 PM
I don't really know what I'm saying now, other than the fact that I think having a stadium outside of the city is not a massive factor for anyone who goes to the stadium and is a hardcore fan of the club. It shouldn't be the difference between going and staying at home and putting your feet up in front of the TV.

I agree with you there - hardcore fans will go regardless. It's the floating fan for whom you need to make the matchday experience as convenient for though, as they are the ones who will opt to stay at home in front of the TV. Just like juve's floating support did when their ground was being rebuilt and they moved outside of the city for a few years.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: BelgioSSL on October 18, 2014, 08:06:34 PM
I had to walk almost 4 miles home last week in the most densely populated area of Ireland during the most busy time of the week because the bus company decided not to run a bus every 10-15 minutes as timetabled, but every hour instead. That happen in Rome? Doubt it.

I live in Rome, busses don't even have timetables here.  :supsmile:
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Giolazio on October 19, 2014, 04:50:09 PM
I don't really know what I'm saying now, other than the fact that I think having a stadium outside of the city is not a massive factor for anyone who goes to the stadium and is a hardcore fan of the club. It shouldn't be the difference between going and staying at home and putting your feet up in front of the TV.

I agree with you there - hardcore fans will go regardless. It's the floating fan for whom you need to make the matchday experience as convenient for though, as they are the ones who will opt to stay at home in front of the TV. Just like juve's floating support did when their ground was being rebuilt and they moved outside of the city for a few years.

Maybe it's just me but I would be more likely to go to a football game if it was outside the city, away from rush hour traffic, with nice car parks that you can just leave and jump on the motorway and go home. I mean we are assuming that most fans live in Rome city centre but they don't. Most of them live in the north of Rome and all around the region. Without the problem of getting into Rome, it could attract many more to go to the stadio.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Cathal on November 03, 2014, 01:31:57 PM
Regarding the new stadium, Lotito has come out and said that there is no set location for the proposed stadium, and that the location he previously suggested was merely a hypothesis.

He says he is keen to see what happens with 1927. He reckons their proposed stadium on the banks of the Tiber is a greater flood risk and he is waiting to see how that plan develops and if equality exists.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Gottschalk on November 07, 2014, 06:30:14 PM
I'd prefer a stadium inside the city, if possible.

Lazio is the quintessential Roman club. It would be nice to reconquer the city itself, instead of leaving it to be a feud of the romanisti.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: emhad on January 07, 2015, 09:25:22 AM
Heard that 1927's plan of the new stadium had been approved by the Council of Rome in the vote at sort of the end of 2014.

I wonder,.,,why do their plan approved easily meanwhile ours need more than a decade even for starting???

Anyone know the details of this matter???

 :offlag:
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Silindeee on March 19, 2015, 12:41:09 AM
Any news about our stadium?i read that merda will show their plans in the coming months ,so how our plans going?
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: dinhochester on April 06, 2015, 05:51:13 AM
It is nice to have a stadium like Juventus.
I think it is a huge advantage for Juve to have a stadium like that.
It is shown in their home match result.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: emhad on April 06, 2015, 08:17:30 AM
Definitely this is must be one of the our main concern. If Lotito can realize that, i dont mind when they named it Claudio Lotito Stadium  :stendrm: :stendvl: :cnstend:
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Broenco on April 14, 2015, 02:35:50 AM
If we happen to enter UCL at the end of season, it will be the best time to promote our new stadium plan especially to find investors.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: phantomm1976 on April 16, 2015, 10:52:01 AM
 Yes.
 Especially when team is grooving and have a individuals like FA-Biglia-De Vrij-Klose world class player-international)....
 Invest and promote when we play in CL will be perfect.
 
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Conceicao on April 30, 2015, 05:15:33 PM
Any news about our stadium?i read that merda will show their plans in the coming months ,so how our plans going?

I decided to google this and it looks like they're going to build a pretty amazing stadium (if it happens).


I've been hearing about Stadio delle Aquile for years now, i guess it's not going to happen any time soon.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on April 30, 2015, 05:20:19 PM
What are the odds that Lotito is waiting for merda to finish theirs and then try and buy the Olimpico instead from Coni? Once bought upgrades could be made?
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: drazvan on April 30, 2015, 05:32:16 PM
What are the odds that Lotito is waiting for merda to finish theirs and then try and buy the Olimpico instead from Coni? Once bought upgrades could be made?

That is just not realistic. Olimpico is simply too big for us. Love the stadium, but a bit tired to see the empty stands game after game.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on April 30, 2015, 07:43:07 PM
What are the odds that Lotito is waiting for merda to finish theirs and then try and buy the Olimpico instead from Coni? Once bought upgrades could be made?

That is just not realistic. Olimpico is simply too big for us. Love the stadium, but a bit tired to see the empty stands game after game.

I know, but it the stadium was rebuilt Lotito could make it smaller and get the stands closer to the pitch? Take the running field away.

Don't underestime the benefits from the location..

But maybe it might be cheaper to just build a new one from scratch?
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Crni Đorđe on September 25, 2015, 10:30:00 PM
Flaminio is in really bad shape this days.

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Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Stefano6 on September 26, 2015, 10:51:39 AM
Its a real shame, I really wanted the Flaminio as our stadium again.

I remember a few years ago Lotito was thinking about it, but I think they decided that it would cost too much to rejuvenate and bring it up to safety standards for Serie A. That, and the location would be difficult for traffic, parking etc, as there isnt really much space around it.

But the atmosphere would be amazing, its only around 35.000 so we could fill it every week, the fans right next to the pitch, it would be amazing. Do it up, paint it blue, would look fantastic.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: BelgioSSL on October 02, 2015, 11:48:07 PM
I agree.

While Olimpico is a really nice stadium, it's also never full. A stadium with a capacity between 35.000 and 45.000 would be perfect for Lazio.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: MMV on July 26, 2016, 08:22:37 PM
Hi guys :) In the wake of Juventus buying Higuain for 90 euros I was wondering how big a part the revenue from their stadium made that possible. I know we are not directly compatible but it would be 'fun' to see what their revenue is and what Udinese's is as they are the only two clubs owning their own stadium. Perhaps we could forecast Lazio to earn something a little north of the median  :ohnoo: I just don't know where to look to figure this out.

By the way - in my efforts - I stumbled across Udinese's website, which is lightyears ahead of ours (Lightyears meaning the design looks circa 2005). Updated and in 3 diff. languages. It doesn't exactly aspire one hope for our progress !   
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Rizmo on July 26, 2016, 08:31:32 PM
Hi guys :) In the wake of Juventus buying Higuain for 90 euros

Sorry, but this made me laugh  :razz: :razz:


I believe Sassuolo owns their stadium as well. No idea about the revenue though but must be pretty massive. I can imagine it was built with borrowed money so Juve needs to pay their debth as well.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: MMV on July 26, 2016, 08:54:56 PM
Haha, millions of course  :bravo:

I read somewhere that the stadium was built in 2011 for 110-120 million and they were well over that number now (190-something million). Kind of like the Emirates is a massive profit every year for Arsenal now.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Cathal on July 26, 2016, 09:05:03 PM
Juventus generated 194 million euro in revenue from the stadium over five years. I am almost certain that would be an increase on the previous 5 years at the Delle Alpi but that's because Juventus were dire in those 5 years.

See, other than avoiding the 3 million euro rent we pay CONI, I struggle to see how Lazio make much more from having their own stadium. Of course they would, but it wouldn't bring anywhere near as much as people think.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: MMV on July 26, 2016, 09:55:25 PM
Juventus generated 194 million euro in revenue from the stadium over five years. I am almost certain that would be an increase on the previous 5 years at the Delle Alpi but that's because Juventus were dire in those 5 years.

See, other than avoiding the 3 million euro rent we pay CONI, I struggle to see how Lazio make much more from having their own stadium. Of course they would, but it wouldn't bring anywhere near as much as people think.

That's why I wondered what Udinese's incentive for building a stadium of their own was :) There must be something to gain and that surely must be greater in Rome ? But perhaps that's the problem - it seems impossible to build in Rome. In my country the richest (and as consequense there of - the most successful in modern day Denmark) club doesn't own their stadium, but are actually owned by the stadium :)
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: valdanito on July 27, 2016, 01:24:04 AM
What if someone sponsors the stadium.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 27, 2016, 02:08:24 AM
What if someone sponsors the stadium.

You can find sponsors, of course, but they won't sponsor entire project. Most of the money would need to come from club, in the end. Perhaps clubs with good revenue can guarantee to sponsors and thus attract sponsors to pump capital in project and then club repays them. Kind of loans. But Lazio revenue is nowhere near to guarantee backing in hefty project like new stadium. Lazio is one of rare italian clubs who actually have revenue, but not big enough to cover project nor to guarantee sponsors.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Rosenberg on July 27, 2016, 02:25:29 AM
Lotito has to affect politicians, rearrange the whole infrastructure of capital of Italy, to be able to even dream about an own stadium. This is not easy for a team that manages to reach EL each and other year at best.

It would definitely need investors that would have a vision for a "new Rome"
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Stefano6 on July 27, 2016, 08:40:32 AM
Sassuolos stadium (which is actually in Reggio Emilia, not Sassuolo, which must be annoying for fans as theyre about 30 minutes apart) was built and owned by the company Mapei, who sponsor Sassuolo and I believe the CO also owns them. So it would be easy for them to make the funds available. Plus they dont spend a lot, they sell more, will be getting even more this year from European football. Theyre doing alright.

From what I understand, revenue from the stadium is about more than just saving money on rent. If the stadium is rented, literally everything is split between the club and the local city government. Ticket sales, car parking prices, food and drink, merchandise, etc, everything you can think of at match day.

If you own the stadium, as well as obviously not paying rent, the club keeps the money it makes. Maybe doesnt sound like a lot, but if 30.000 people all buy a drink at 5 Euro each, for a minimum 19 home games a season, it soon adds up.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Rizmo on July 27, 2016, 09:09:10 AM
If you own the stadium, as well as obviously not paying rent, the club keeps the money it makes. Maybe doesnt sound like a lot, but if 30.000 people all buy a drink at 5 Euro each, for a minimum 19 home games a season, it soon adds up.

In addition Lotito has a vision of the stadium hosting numerous restaurants and stores which are going to be open 7 days a week so there'll be revenue on every day, not only match days.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Giolazio on July 27, 2016, 11:46:08 AM
Also the corporate facilities would be a big financial gainer. The option to hold concerts etc. A stadium would definitely add to our revenue and be worth doing.

But aside from that, the main reason I want one, is simply to have a modern stadium for the club to play at with fans near the pitch and less seats. Really hate a half empty Olimpico.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Cathal on July 27, 2016, 11:52:48 AM
There are obviously ways of increasing your income by having a stadium, but when it takes Juventus 5 years of owning a stadium to get to 200 million in total revenue, and only 2 years of Champions League participation to get 200 million in revenue, the new stadium isn't the thing that is making Juventus very successful. At least not economically.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Stefano6 on July 27, 2016, 12:10:38 PM
Renovate the Flaminio and let us have that and ill be a happy laziale. There were rumous ages ago of the people that own it letting us rent it for €1 a year provided we pay for its renovation, but i cant remember in the end why it was decided we wouldnt do it.

If i remember correctly it was something to do with the cost of renovation being equivalent to the cost of building new, so they decided it was better to build new.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Cathal on July 27, 2016, 12:20:00 PM
Lotito will want his own stadium so we need to pay a lot for catering, cleaning, security etc. - all the services he is able to provide for Lazio with his other businesses. He won't go there with the Flaminio because there isn't the space to build the complex which makes Lotito a very rich man. Also, renovating the Flaminio is a less impressive feat than building your own complex, which would look better for an FIGC presidency bid or a political career.

That's where we have a problem with Lotito. Flaminio is a viable solution for Lazio, no matter what anyone says - it's just not attractive to Lotito.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Giolazio on July 27, 2016, 12:26:03 PM
Flaminio rocks. Always remember that atmosphere when Lazio played Chelsea in a friendly there in 2003.

Anyone remember Inzaghi's goal in that match??  :what:
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: CalcioFan on September 20, 2016, 05:29:00 PM
No new updates on the new stadium?

Whether its a big overhaul of Flaminio or a new stadium elsewhere...Lazio really need this. I hope Lotito is seriously working for this. Pallotta is doing good things in terms of their stadium.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Cathal on September 20, 2016, 05:35:36 PM
No new updates on the new stadium?

Whether its a big overhaul of Flaminio or a new stadium elsewhere...Lazio really need this. I hope Lotito is seriously working for this. Pallotta is doing good things in terms of their stadium.

Diaconale (our head of communications) said last week in an interview that bureaucratic issues ensures it takes a lot of time to push stadium plans forwards and that Lotito has a vision but these things get in the way. He admitted Flaminio is great in theory, but in practice, there would be so many problems with such a project.

In short, no, there's nothing new  :razz:
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Hadi Van Der Vaart on December 20, 2016, 06:04:17 PM
No more news about this?

I just read somewhere, but I forgot where, that we are one of the lowest club in Europe with attendance percentage compared to stadium capacity. It's about 28% average attendace per week from all of Olimpico seat. I know the supporter still boycott the stadium n more people enjoy watching the game on TV now, but I just feel not right watching Lazio every time playing in big stadium with a lot of empty seats eventhough there were almost 30000 people there.

I mean, Juve home games had almost similar number of attendaces with our last derby, but their stadium always looked more crowded.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: LazialefromGhent on December 20, 2016, 06:28:12 PM
yes we need a revamped flaminio this would be a huge boost for the club
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Crni Đorđe on December 20, 2016, 06:40:54 PM
As much as I would love Flaminio, that place is a complete ruin now and seriously doubt Lazio ever thought about revamping.

Olimpico will look deserted on every occasion with less than 40-45k people on it. Simply, it's huge.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: valdanito on February 25, 2017, 04:55:28 PM
Guess its time to bring this topic back to life

What are the chances and what is Lazio really doing to make it possible.

Will the city allow two stadiums to be built at the same time, will they try to push us into Flaminio which the club seem to be against, and I happen to agree with the club on this one.

How long would it take for an approval?
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: valdanito on February 25, 2017, 04:58:14 PM
and where on earth did this site come from?

http://www.stadiodelleaquile.com/ (http://www.stadiodelleaquile.com/)
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Crni Đorđe on February 25, 2017, 05:17:17 PM
Timing is more than perfect now. Simply, this is Rome and if one club gets something, other club must get it too, without much debating. We know there is (or was) initial plan to build stadium - but that plan never took off because of similar issues 1927 faced - flooded area of which Lotito is owner.

If you find right price contractor and architectural team things can get moving very fast. Tiberina was considered 'no, no' for years, but after mafia got approval with same issue clinging over project, Lotito has bargaining chip more.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: valdanito on February 25, 2017, 05:44:20 PM
Did we even officially present anything? OR was it all words and street talk?
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Cathal on February 25, 2017, 06:45:33 PM
Did we even officially present anything? OR was it all words and street talk?

We have presented proposals over the years, but they've been rejected. The land was deemed a flood risk, and times were tight economically. Time are still tight economically and 1927's land is a flood risk, but as of today, they're getting a stadium.

What I don't know is where we stand with a proposal - is Lotito likely to get previously rejected plans approved or is he going to submit a new proposal etc.

But he's making it very clear - you can't give them their stadium and refuse us ours.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Hadi Van Der Vaart on February 25, 2017, 07:27:00 PM
That is what I thought at first when I read merda plans to build stadium in flood risk area. It reminds me with Lotito's n if they get approved, then we must ask for justice. Apparently the authority really approved it n I'm glad our club showed their reaction to that. We are still "la prima squadra della capitale" after all.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Caput Mundi on February 26, 2017, 12:45:31 AM
Simply, this is Rome and if one club gets something, other club must get it too, without much debating.

Really? The Rome I know clearly favours one team over the other.

It's make or break though. We will never get close to them again if they build a stadium and we stay at the Olimpico playing in front of nobody.

I wonder if Lotito will revive his threats to move the team out of the city of Rome itself, as he did about 10 years ago.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Crni Đorđe on February 26, 2017, 01:12:37 AM
Simply, this is Rome and if one club gets something, other club must get it too, without much debating.

Really? The Rome I know clearly favours one team over the other.

Okay, I can agree that zozzi somehow always gets lighter treatment and last ten years are just one episode of it, but... If laziali can get united around one thing - and I think that stadium is common cause for all, with Lotito or without - nobody will ignore will of those people. 2003-04 and 1986 are best examples what united laziali can do in Rome and how they can protect Lazio. Because our Lazio need to be protected from various traps placed in front of him.

Tiberina can be just starting spot for Lotito and his negotiation with City. Some exchange of land, eastern parts of Rome are still full of public land marked for building operations.

If laziali just can get united around stadium issue - because I have impression lot of them would go to Flaminio (but club obviously doesn't regard that viable operation) - no matter what initial proposition would be, Rome won't ignore Lazio.
But if we continue to atomize ourselves in shells, nothing will happen. Pressure in public must be strong.

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I wonder if Lotito will revive his threats to move the team out of the city of Rome itself, as he did about 10 years ago.

Moving would be worser than staying at Olimpico for next decades. We would leave great market to zozzi and gobbi.
But wouldn't be bad threat to try at some point.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Caput Mundi on February 26, 2017, 07:40:05 AM
I definitely agree moving out of the city would be the worst thing the club could do. I was merely wondering whether Lotito would wheel out that line again. Valmontone I believe he said he'd take the team to.

More people have accepted the Flaminio is dead, which probably helps the cause. In that sense people might unite but I'm not sure they'd go as far as goodwill for a Lotito project. Pretty sure his land is further from the city centre than even Roma's stadium as well.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Stefano6 on February 26, 2017, 12:35:39 PM
Actually moving out of the city wouldnt be terrible - for the locals. More Laziali live on the outskirts of the city anyway, provided the stadium had good transport connections and wasnt too far away, it wouldnt hurt us for the fans.

It would hurt us in terms of tourists and our exposure in the city, and I agree it would be almost like conceding the city to AS Roma (who already have more presence anyway) so I wouldnt like to do it, but it wouldnt kill us.

I personally always wanted the Flaminio, its a beautiful stadium, in a nice area of the city, easy to get to, and would have a great atmosphere.
The stadium itself would be easy to renovate, but it needs more than that.

Lotito wants the whole "complex" idea, stadium, shops, hotel, etc, and there simply isnt space for it where Flaminio is. Plus the issue of parking and transport links.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Cathal on February 26, 2017, 12:58:55 PM
There's no space for a complex in Rome, even 1927's stadium isn't really in the city. Furthermore, their stadium may have been approved but the whole 'complex' notion has been hit on the head, which makes me think there's a long way to go for Pallotta to be satisfied.

Staying in the city centre obviously appeals to all of us, but if modern football goes the way it's going - and if 1927 get this stadium in Tor di Valle - Lazio cannot afford to rent the Olimpico or Flaminio because we will get left behind economically.

Now, if you subscribe to De Laurentiis theory that in the future, no one will go to the stadium, there's a chance in the future that renting the Olimpico is better than being stuck in Tor di Valle or Via Tiberina, but at the moment, this sport is going in a direction where everyone is going to have to get their own state-of-the-art stadium just to remain competitive because the infrastructure in Italy is so poor. Just look at the fact Atalanta will have to play European games in Sassuolo if they qualify. Madness.

But the key point now is that 1927 are allowed to build a stadium along the Tiber and Lazio tried to build along the Tiber at the other end of the city on numerous occasions over the past 10 years and were always told 'no'. We know we're disadvantaged - it's obvious - but Lotito has some leverage to apply some pressure now and as Crni Đorđe pointed out, we can be very successful here if he is backed by the public.

I think attitudes are changing among the fans too. I think more and more realise now that things that Lotito said which were hard to hear 5-10 years ago are now ringing quite true.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Crni Đorđe on February 26, 2017, 01:07:21 PM
(http://www.giornalone.it/giornali/il_tempo-2017-02-26-58b243c4aa03a.jpg)

This is new - roman newspaper giving front page to Lotito without insinuation that he's pig.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Stefano6 on February 26, 2017, 01:11:41 PM
Tor de Valle is relatively easy to get to - it has a train station, and you could take the Metro to the EUR area and im sure there would then be bus shuttles on game days from there (thats what id set up anyway!)

If we could have a similar thing to the north of the city, that would be good.
The area id look at is the Prati Fiscali, or Tufello area - there has recently been some development of the area, with new apartment blocks going up, we could get in there, it has a metro stop not too far away, and we would mirror a lot of european cities with the north\south thing.

It would also negate the "risk of flooding" argument, which for all we know could be true, perhaps the land around Tor de Valle is less at risk than where we were looking at, just because its near the river doesnt automatically make it a risk

A state of the art stadium in the city is possible - its done elsewhere in europe - but probably not in Rome. Unless they knock down Flaminio entirely and just use the land its on, but I cant see that happening.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Cathal on February 26, 2017, 01:17:03 PM
I think the problem for some is that Lotito's land is quite a bit more north than where you mentioned which makes it quite a bit further out from the city than Tor di Valle.

But I'm not sure that's a big issue when you consider Lazio's fanbase and the fact 1927 are not going to be in the heart of the city.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Crni Đorđe on February 26, 2017, 01:30:30 PM
First dig for merdodrom - workers to find couple of roman amphorae and city then vetoes any work!  :scarfup:

Tufello, Tor Vergata, Pietralata, Tore Spaccata, part of lands down Via Prenestina - there are lot of lands in that suburbs. Guess that older and younger relatives of Lotito - Mezzaromas - also can push for it.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Caput Mundi on February 27, 2017, 10:43:46 AM
I agree with what Cathal said except the bit about De Laurentiis. His idea is contrary to the very sprit of the game and if he actually shifts one of Italy's most popular clubs to a 20k seater, then we may as well play games at the Fersini.

Lotito's land is outside the GRA I believe. It's further out than Roma's ground. Fiumicino is being spoken about as an idea too. I may be wrong but I think the Fiera ground was one considered and rejected for Roma. It's true that most of our fans live in Roma Nord but the way ration is: how much do we like claiming we're the first team of the capital? It's a harder argument to prosecute when you're playing out of Rome.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Caput Mundi on February 27, 2017, 10:44:51 AM
Even knocking down Flaminio won't leave enough room for a complex. Whether big or small, the stadium won't get built without one. A stadium alone won't pay itself off quickly.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Cathal on February 27, 2017, 11:16:12 AM
I agree with what Cathal said except the bit about De Laurentiis. His idea is contrary to the very sprit of the game and if he actually shifts one of Italy's most popular clubs to a 20k seater, then we may as well play games at the Fersini.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not endorsing De Laurentiis, but it's not unlikely that in 10 years time, football is screened in theatres.

If you want to actually watch a game properly and in comfort, where would you rather be? In the pub? At home? In the stadium? Or in a nice big comfy heated venue with a massive screen with loads of pre-match and post-match analysis?

Of course it goes against what I want to see in the sport, but this sport can go in many different directions and I think if you are going to make a massive investment for your future, it's worth bearing that in mind.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Stefano6 on February 27, 2017, 11:23:07 AM
I dont agree with that - despite advances in technology and the ability to watch games anywhere by numerous means, there is still nothing better than watching it live at the ground, and thats never going to die.

People have been going to watch live sport\entertainment since the dawn of time, I really dont see anything ever changing that so drastically that we see crowds disappear altogether. Its in our blood.

There are fans who dont want to go to the ground and would rather watch it on TV, but thats been the same for generations, yet teams across the world still fill grounds every week.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Cathal on February 27, 2017, 11:30:19 AM
I dont agree with that - despite advances in technology and the ability to watch games anywhere by numerous means, there is still nothing better than watching it live at the ground, and thats never going to die.

People have been going to watch live sport\entertainment since the dawn of time, I really dont see anything ever changing that so drastically that we see crowds disappear altogether. Its in our blood.

There are fans who dont want to go to the ground and would rather watch it on TV, but thats been the same for generations, yet teams across the world still fill grounds every week.

I wouldn't go as far as to say that the tradition of going to the stadium will die, but you'd need blinkers on to see that it's not dying before our very eyes. Stadiums have been around much longer than TV or the internet. Virtual reality could be another serious threat - why go to the stadium and watch from afar when you can be on the field at home?

Times change and I can just as easily see a revival in attendances and 40-50k at many stadiums in Italy - there'll probably come a point where people get bored of the TV or internet and head back to the stadium - I'm just making the point that if you are building a stadium to last a very long time, you need the stadium to last for a very long time and fulfil many a purpose.

De Laurentiis idea might sound radical, but there are other cultural examples which shows it's anything but. The logic behind building complexes or making the stadium theatre-like is the same - you're going to lose money if you just build a stadium and rely on enough people paying money to come through the gates to make it a worthwhile investment.

De Laurentiis' 20k cinema/theatre San Paolo would probably make him a load more money than Lazio at a 40k Stadio delle Aquile with a museum.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on February 27, 2017, 11:34:42 AM
This might be a crazy idea,  but what about buying Olimpico from CONI and then changing the structure so the stands are closer to the pitch without the running tracks..That's been done before in big stadiums, first one that comes to mind is the Maracana in Brazil.

There are some issues with that too though

- We would have to wait with starting with that until 1927 is out of the stadium
- Would CONI even sell the stadium to us?
- Even with the stadium being smaller, would there still be room outside for the things Lotito want to build next to the stadium?
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Crni Đorđe on February 27, 2017, 12:01:33 PM
To make CONI sells Olimpico you need Olimpico in deprival like Flaminio is now. CONI won't allows it to happen. Plus, regular income from two teams every year looks far more appealing than getting lump sump of money at once, unless CONI falls in serious troubles. Not to mention other events, like concerts, athletic competitions and rest.

Olimpico also has issues with metro line and simply lays on 'wrong' side of Tiber. Metro won't pass through that area in foreseeble future and Olimpico doesn't offer enough space for corporate facilites - things that really generate revenue at stadiums.

I'm almost sure that renting Olimpico further is better idea than buying it.

Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Sile on February 27, 2017, 12:06:23 PM
Nah, there's too much wrong with that idea to even consider it.

Lotito will want to construct on his land or swap his land for some other location. He'll want to include as many supporting facilities as possible to maximize his profit, same as what merda tried but failed. You play 19 home matches in a year, without coppa or Europe. Sold out stadium of 30000 seats would cash in 1.5 million per match if the average price was 50€. Meaning a measley 30 million€ a year!
Meanwhile a single shopping centre on an attractive location has multiple times the turnover and profit.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Cathal on February 27, 2017, 12:12:53 PM
Off the top of my head, ticket revenue at Lazio is less than 5 million euro per year whereas a shopping centre would not only turn over a lot more than 5 million per year, but could well be sold in the future for 10 figures.

Lotito gets Lazio a stadium with a complex, and he's basically a billionaire. Whatever about Lazio...

Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Giolazio on February 27, 2017, 12:55:20 PM
Cathal, De Laurentis must surely be wrong. I always use America as the benchmark and fans are going to sports event as much as ever. It's the issue of not having anything inviting for the fans in Italy. The age old case of if you build it they will come springs to mind.

I however don't doubt for a second that other technologies will develop like the cinematic experience, which could be a good thing, would raise the revenue of the clubs and give people a chance to watch games away from subscription TV.

Regarding the Olimpico, that will never happen and shouldn't. The stadium's location is a bit of a pain and apart from moving the stands closer to the pitch there's just too many seats in it.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Cathal on February 27, 2017, 01:08:36 PM
Cathal, De Laurentis must surely be wrong. I always use America as the benchmark and fans are going to sports event as much as ever. The age old case of if you build it they will come springs to mind.

But no one is interesting in building a stadium to bring people in. Everyone that is building a stadium is building a smaller stadium - they want lower attendances.

Lazio were paid 70 million for allowing their games to be shown on TV last season, yet season tickets sales made the club 3 million. Why one earth would Lotito - or Lazio for that matter - want bums on seats in a stadium?

They want people sat in front of the TV on Sunday afternoons, but to be doing their shopping in their complexes Monday to Friday and going to the museum on Saturdays.

De Laurentiis simply has a different vision in my opinion - he's basically just admitting that he wants less people and wants to charge them a fortune to enjoy the game in comfort.

Stadiums won't generate revenue. What it will do is make clubs more attractive to invest in. Because these stadiums will come with things that make businessmen a lot of money.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Hadi Van Der Vaart on February 27, 2017, 01:23:07 PM
I can see where de Laurentis coming from with his statement. For our generation, maybe we still think going to the stadium is the best way to watch the game. But probably that is not the best for 10 years younger generation than now. Those are smartphone n internet generation where they find everything can be done in the palm of their hand. Especially when they have busy parents who never bring them to the stadium.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: hamid on February 27, 2017, 02:33:45 PM
If we get permission to build our own stadium, will we have enough money to build it actually?
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Crni Đorđe on February 27, 2017, 02:38:39 PM
If we get permission to build our own stadium, will we have enough money to build it actually?

Money can also be borrowed from banks, received from sponsors, etc. Truthfully, money is the least problem in Rome. Getting permission is the real issue.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Stefano6 on February 27, 2017, 03:08:20 PM
It was implied during the announcement of the contract extension with Macron that part of the deal was assistance with any potential new stadium development.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Sori on February 27, 2017, 03:19:44 PM
so we are trying to attract sponsor like others to make sure that the main sponsor's name will be use on the new stadium name?
Stadio Delle Aquile Macron, not bad  :supsmile:
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Giolazio on February 27, 2017, 03:20:14 PM
We will most likely be playing at Macron Stadio delle Aquile if we build a new stadium.

Cathal, De Laurentis must surely be wrong. I always use America as the benchmark and fans are going to sports event as much as ever. The age old case of if you build it they will come springs to mind.

But no one is interesting in building a stadium to bring people in. Everyone that is building a stadium is building a smaller stadium - they want lower attendances.

Lazio were paid 70 million for allowing their games to be shown on TV last season, yet season tickets sales made the club 3 million. Why one earth would Lotito - or Lazio for that matter - want bums on seats in a stadium?

They want people sat in front of the TV on Sunday afternoons, but to be doing their shopping in their complexes Monday to Friday and going to the museum on Saturdays.

Stadiums won't generate revenue. What it will do is make clubs more attractive to invest in. Because these stadiums will come with things that make businessmen a lot of money.


Absolutely, but fans won't stop going to matches altogether. If we build a 40,000 seater modern stadium with all the expected facilities I am confident it would sell out most weeks. 
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Cathal on February 27, 2017, 03:32:18 PM
Absolutely, but fans won't stop going to matches altogether. If we build a 40,000 seater modern stadium with all the expected facilities I am confident it would sell out most weeks.

I'd be confident it wouldn't. Not any time soon anyway  :vcool:
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on February 27, 2017, 03:33:09 PM
How would we finance building a new stadium? Would Lotito just borrow the money or what?
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Sile on February 27, 2017, 03:46:16 PM
He wouldn't "just borrow" the money. He'd pitch an investment plan to banks and investment companies, with a detailed representation of re-payment schedule, interest calculation, security instruments etc.
Basically Lotito would loan money from banks, and repay that loan with the money earned from leasing the infrastructure - be it an office building, shopping centres or sth else - to various companies. The money earned from such leases would be used for the repayment of debt, and Lotito would keep the rest. Basically the money would work for him.
The downside to such a transaction is if the location isn't attractive enough you can't get enough interested parties to fill the spaces, therefore you can't count on revenue, therefore you can't get the funds you want, and if at any point the money stops coming in, the banks would use security instruments to register themselves as owners. And Lotito would end up with nothing.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Caput Mundi on February 28, 2017, 12:26:01 PM
I think the evidence shows if you do your research and build the right stadium for the club, attendances will rise -- a lot.

Juve is the obvious example. Thousands upon thousands more go to games at the Juventus Stadium than they did to the Delle Alpi, even though Juve at the Delle Alpi had some fantastic players.

In the city I grew up in, attendances at Aussie rules games were dropping a lot over a short period of time. The ground was outdated and inaccessible for most people. They build a fantastic new ground in the heart of the city and it's the hottest ticket in town. Anything held there sells out (except for first-class cricket).

If Lazio built a stadium and did it properly (right size/location), there's no reason IMO attendances couldn't edge back towards 35k averages and up to 60 or 70k for the biggest games. Obviously there are other factors, like the culture wars between the curva and the authorities but I'm confident that would happen.

The reason why the complexes are necessary is because there is no public money for stadia. In Australia governments are building these stadiums, rightly or wrongly, and a complex like the Roma project is just unheard of. The reason the Flaminio has been dying a slow death is there just isn't any public money to fix it.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Giolazio on February 28, 2017, 02:21:55 PM
Absolutely, but fans won't stop going to matches altogether. If we build a 40,000 seater modern stadium with all the expected facilities I am confident it would sell out most weeks.

I'd be confident it wouldn't. Not any time soon anyway  :vcool:

The only way it wouldn't was if the the CN boycotted the new stadium because the curva was the wrong degree of curve... :supsmile:

I think the evidence shows if you do your research and build the right stadium for the club, attendances will rise -- a lot.

Juve is the obvious example. Thousands upon thousands more go to games at the Juventus Stadium than they did to the Delle Alpi, even though Juve at the Delle Alpi had some fantastic players.

In the city I grew up in, attendances at Aussie rules games were dropping a lot over a short period of time. The ground was outdated and inaccessible for most people. They build a fantastic new ground in the heart of the city and it's the hottest ticket in town. Anything held there sells out (except for first-class cricket).

If Lazio built a stadium and did it properly (right size/location), there's no reason IMO attendances couldn't edge back towards 35k averages and up to 60 or 70k for the biggest games. Obviously there are other factors, like the culture wars between the curva and the authorities but I'm confident that would happen.

The reason why the complexes are necessary is because there is no public money for stadia. In Australia governments are building these stadiums, rightly or wrongly, and a complex like the Roma project is just unheard of. The reason the Flaminio has been dying a slow death is there just isn't any public money to fix it.

Those are pretty much my thoughts too, although I think 60 or 70 would be one off massive fixtures, but I'd be pretty confident we would sell out 35/40k every week.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Stefano6 on February 28, 2017, 02:32:40 PM
Likewise...  a lot of the complaints from fans about the Olimpico are things like you are far from the pitch, its a bit run down, etc.

Ignore the Curva who will always find a reason to boycott for a few months, I believe a new stadium would bring a lot of "normal" fans back, provided it was easy to get to. Olimpico is not hard to get to, even with public transport, but a newer stadium that is further out of town needs to be just as accessible.

Ive been there when we were 65,000 against Juventus, and almost 60,000 against Inter. It can be done, and I think we would definitely sell out 40,000 for the big games in a new ground, with the normal games still bringing in 30,000, which for a club of our stature is expected.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: LazioCanada on February 28, 2017, 04:39:35 PM
Absolutely, but fans won't stop going to matches altogether. If we build a 40,000 seater modern stadium with all the expected facilities I am confident it would sell out most weeks.

I'd be confident it wouldn't. Not any time soon anyway  :vcool:

I'd disagree about you logic that live sports is dying. In the US and in Canada, all sports, especially soccer, the number are rising. Also, no body wants to watch a game in a 72,000 seat stadium that has terrible sight lines from the seats cause their so far away from the field. The New England Revolution are the joke of the MLS because they play in a football stadium way to big for them and no one comes because the atmosphere is terrible. Go to Portland, Toronto, Kansas etc... great stadiums with great atmosphere drives people to the stadium. I think Lazio would be nuts not to be thinking about getting a smaller/intimate stadium. Winning/atmosphere drives people to stadium, not cause their lazy and don't want to go.     
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Cathal on February 28, 2017, 05:22:23 PM
I understand the points being made, but Rome isn't the US and Lazio fans now are not what they were when we were getting 40k attendances on a regular basis. I am talking specifically about our situation - the stadium we propose won't be in Rome and tickets ain't going to be as cheap as they are now. So why would our attendance rocket by 300%? And why would it stay at that level for years to come?

I'm not saying it won't happen or can't happen; I'm just saying if I look at this Lazio, Lazio fans and Lotito's stadium plans, I can't see us getting 40k attendances week in, week out.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: moody on February 28, 2017, 05:46:24 PM
What exactly is deterring our fans from attending the stadium, or on a broader question, why isn't our fan base growing?

Despite my differences with Lotito, he did upgrade the squad with some national team starters and some exciting prospects, and the results have been coming also. Not the best, but still matches are entertaining and not a big disappointment most of the time. More online contents have been posted and more merchandise is reachable. Things seem going the right way after many years of poverty.

But I don't think our status has grown, in fact our attendance is similar to local minnows rather than the top 6 club. As a fan it really hurts that our international presence is shrinking and even within Italy we seem to lose grounds.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Crni Đorđe on February 28, 2017, 06:15:40 PM
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As a fan it really hurts that our international presence is shrinking and even within Italy we seem to lose grounds.

I don't think that our international presence is shrinking, because this club never really had some significant international presence. Reason is one and only - this club has two Scudetto and two main European cups and some minor European cups throughout history. Nothing significant to appeal average non-Italian from abroad. Living in cycles don't make you more significant.

Non-Italians can get attached to Lazio through their compatriots in Lazio shirt, perhaps through some Lazio tour in particular regions or lands, etc. But chances are slim beside Premier league clubs, Real, Barcelona or Italian Northerners. Internet presence, in my view, is not as important, because lot of people this days won't attach themselves to particular club but rather to particular product (sport), thus considering Lazio just as part of bigger puzzle.

Maybe because I'm laziale thus having specific view of Lazio, but I consider Lazio different in respect to many other Italian and European clubs (especially with those whose roots are not clearly sports one). After so much years with Lazio I got impression that every laziale has his own, individualistic, vision of Lazio and that is something you won't see with zozzi, for example. Maybe one of reason why there is bigger amount of them. Every laziale has his own bandieras, his stance of 'good' and 'bad' in Lazio's history, present and views of future, etc. Existing tifoseria also has big influence in 'mobilization' new generations of laziali. And somehow, for decades, our tifoseria (and club, too) have etiquettes of °°°°°°°°. Which is comic, but nobody will go to books and research bit of history to see some systematic problems with that stance.

Clubs like Lazio are not made to be internationally popular. There will be laziali from abroad, not that  much, but there will be strong core in and around Rome and that should be nurtured, because that core is divided in hundred of fractions now. At least it looks like...

Ironically, idea behind foundation of Lazio is quite cosmopolitan (hate that expression, but perhaps the best one), but lot of things in and around Lazio went in different directions during last decades.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: SSL PADRONI DI ROMA on February 28, 2017, 06:16:41 PM
Of course this season is different, isn't it? With the divided fanbase? Lots and lots of people don't go to the stadium because of Lotito, others because of the stadium, others because they're lazy, others because of repression... There's so many reasons.

But one thing is for sure: the potential is there. Look at two years ago, those matches against Empoli with 50,000 people, or look at Di Padre in Figlio... We can do it, that's for sure. I'm pretty sure that, with a new stadium, and putting aside some differences (Lotito), with a Curva Nord behind it all, we could easily fill a 40,000 stadium every two weeks.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Cathal on February 28, 2017, 06:34:44 PM
The potential is there because we had attendances of 40k at the height of the Cragnotti era, but that should also indicate the difficulty of attaining such attendances - Lotito is not Cragnotti, Hoedt is not Nesta and if you go to see Milan, you don't to witness Shevchenko, you get Deulofeu.

It would have to be one heck of a stadium, especially given its likely location. But the potential is there, yes. The potential is there for 60k every week maybe even more, but once we leave the Olimpico, we give up on that.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on February 28, 2017, 06:46:54 PM
What exactly is deterring our fans from attending the stadium, or on a broader question, why isn't our fan base growing?

- Our rivals are doing better than us generally and they have the name of the city
- The team has a habit of performing poorly when there's a lot of fans in the stadium
- Our president has a very negative image
- We're still looked down upon as racists/fas cists etc (not sure how that fits into Roman culture, so speculation from me only)
- We don't sign any spectacular players really (stars)

I still think there's a lot of Laziali in Rome. There's supposedly 4.3 million people living in the metropolitan area of Rome and you can't tell me there's not hundreds of thousands of Lazio fans in Rome...

How to get them to come back to the stadium?

I think right now it's about results, the team needs to quality for the Champions league and have a few years in a row with top 3 positions. I think Lotito has done a lot of damage and it can't be repaired unless either 1: the team performs well over a longer period of time or 2: Lotito leaves..

Yes I am fully aware it doesn't sound nice when I am suggesting Lazio fans don't want to visit the stadium unless the team is winning matches, but I think it's that simple really. People are using Lotito as the scapegoat or reason for distancing themselves from the team, but for me it's about results.

Not blaming anyone, I just hope for a better future.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Giolazio on February 28, 2017, 06:49:41 PM
What exactly is deterring our fans from attending the stadium, or on a broader question, why isn't our fan base growing?

- Our rivals are doing better than us generally and they have the name of the city
- The team has a habit of performing poorly when there's a lot of fans in the stadium
- Our president has a very negative image
- We're still looked down upon as racists/fas cists etc (not sure how that fits into Roman culture, so speculation from me only)
- We don't sign any spectacular players really (stars)

I still think there's a lot of Laziali in Rome. There's supposedly 4.3 million people living in the metropolitan area of Rome and you can't tell me there's not hundreds of thousands of Lazio fans in Rome...

How to get them to come back to the stadium?

I think right now it's about results, the team needs to quality for the Champions league and have a few years in a row with top 3 positions. I think Lotito has done a lot of damage and it can't be repaired unless either 1: the team performs well over a longer period of time or 2: Lotito leaves..

Yes I am fully aware it doesn't sound nice when I am suggesting Lazio fans don't want to visit the stadium unless the team is winning matches, but I think it's that simple really. People are using Lotito as the scapegoat or reason for distancing themselves from the team, but for me it's about results.

Not blaming anyone, I just hope for a better future.

If the rest of our fans share a similar outlook to you then we are truly screwed...
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Crni Đorđe on February 28, 2017, 06:53:18 PM
But we signed new Nesta three years ago and Anderson was worth 60 millions during one period...  :happy:
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on February 28, 2017, 06:58:30 PM
What exactly is deterring our fans from attending the stadium, or on a broader question, why isn't our fan base growing?

- Our rivals are doing better than us generally and they have the name of the city
- The team has a habit of performing poorly when there's a lot of fans in the stadium
- Our president has a very negative image
- We're still looked down upon as racists/fas cists etc (not sure how that fits into Roman culture, so speculation from me only)
- We don't sign any spectacular players really (stars)

I still think there's a lot of Laziali in Rome. There's supposedly 4.3 million people living in the metropolitan area of Rome and you can't tell me there's not hundreds of thousands of Lazio fans in Rome...

How to get them to come back to the stadium?

I think right now it's about results, the team needs to quality for the Champions league and have a few years in a row with top 3 positions. I think Lotito has done a lot of damage and it can't be repaired unless either 1: the team performs well over a longer period of time or 2: Lotito leaves..

Yes I am fully aware it doesn't sound nice when I am suggesting Lazio fans don't want to visit the stadium unless the team is winning matches, but I think it's that simple really. People are using Lotito as the scapegoat or reason for distancing themselves from the team, but for me it's about results.

Not blaming anyone, I just hope for a better future.

If the rest of our fans share a similar outlook to you then we are truly screwed...

What do you mean with "similar outlook to you". A question was raised and I gave my input on why I think people are staying away..I could be wrong for all we know.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Giolazio on February 28, 2017, 07:00:12 PM
What exactly is deterring our fans from attending the stadium, or on a broader question, why isn't our fan base growing?

- Our rivals are doing better than us generally and they have the name of the city
- The team has a habit of performing poorly when there's a lot of fans in the stadium
- Our president has a very negative image
- We're still looked down upon as racists/fas cists etc (not sure how that fits into Roman culture, so speculation from me only)
- We don't sign any spectacular players really (stars)

I still think there's a lot of Laziali in Rome. There's supposedly 4.3 million people living in the metropolitan area of Rome and you can't tell me there's not hundreds of thousands of Lazio fans in Rome...

How to get them to come back to the stadium?

I think right now it's about results, the team needs to quality for the Champions league and have a few years in a row with top 3 positions. I think Lotito has done a lot of damage and it can't be repaired unless either 1: the team performs well over a longer period of time or 2: Lotito leaves..

Yes I am fully aware it doesn't sound nice when I am suggesting Lazio fans don't want to visit the stadium unless the team is winning matches, but I think it's that simple really. People are using Lotito as the scapegoat or reason for distancing themselves from the team, but for me it's about results.

Not blaming anyone, I just hope for a better future.

If the rest of our fans share a similar outlook to you then we are truly screwed...

What do you mean with "similar outlook to you". A question was raised and I gave my input on why I think people are staying away..I could be wrong for all we know.

It means exactly what it says. If the reason the fans are staying away are for the reasons you have listed, despite the season we are having, we are indeed screwed.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on February 28, 2017, 07:04:29 PM
Well wouldn't it be great if we qualify for the CL 3 years in a row now and see if that brings the fans back to the stadium?  :supsmile:

I just remembered that we did see a surge in attendance in the 14/15 season, mainly towards spring when the club was looking like a strong contender for a CL spot. But I believe that since then it's just gone down and stayed that way.

When I watched the Udinese match on the stream on Sunday there was a moment they showed the curva, about the time the match was to kick off. Looked like it was only 1/3 full..
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Cnon on February 28, 2017, 07:10:14 PM
If Metallica comes to my home town, then of course I would buy the tickets and go to see them. But what if Metallica plays every week in my home town, would I go to see them weekly? No, I wouldn't. My point is that even if there were 50k+ watching Empoli and 60k+ watching di Padre in Figlio, those were very special moments, like it would be if Metallica would come to play in my home town. You can't expect same attendances every week.

With that being said, I still think we could fill a 40k stadium most of the weeks in the beginning (maybe one full season) because people want to see the new stadium and feel the atmosphere there. But it wouldn't last long if the results would suck and Lotito still does what he does nowadays. But it would definitely boost our average attendance a lot.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Cathal on February 28, 2017, 09:41:11 PM
Well said, Cnon. Empoli and Di Padre in Figlio were 'one-offs'. This is what I'd be looking at.

Lazio attendance at home against mid-table teams in February.

2000 - c.50,000
2015 - c.25,000
2017 - c.10,000

I mean we can talk about potential attendances in a new stadium or the culture of going to stadia elsewhere in the world, but the numbers speak volumes. The Lazio fanbase is in disarray at the moment and none of us can be sure of what effect a new stadium will have. I have very little faith because this Lazio is a team I'd gladly pay to watch if I could and people just are not paying to watch them. So I think the problem is too complex for a stadium to resolve.

I can't see how anyone could argue that the tradition of going to the stadium isn't dying among Lazio fans in Rome - the numbers say it's dying.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: lazioserbia on February 28, 2017, 09:50:21 PM
If Metallica comes to my home town, then of course I would buy the tickets and go to see them. But what if Metallica plays every week in my home town, would I go to see them weekly? No, I wouldn't. My point is that even if there were 50k+ watching Empoli and 60k+ watching di Padre in Figlio, those were very special moments, like it would be if Metallica would come to play in my home town. You can't expect same attendances every week.

With that being said, I still think we could fill a 40k stadium most of the weeks in the beginning (maybe one full season) because people want to see the new stadium and feel the atmosphere there. But it wouldn't last long if the results would suck and Lotito still does what he does nowadays. But it would definitely boost our average attendance a lot.

It's not the same man, going to a concert and listening to music and showing support to the football club you love is something very different.

If some say that we, foreign Laziali, aren't the same as the Roman Laziali because we don't experience everything as closely as they do then I say that anyone who claims to love Lazio and doesn't go to the stadium to show their support to something they love aren't true fans. I get angry when I see the Empoli game where fans came because we were playing great football at that moment but they won't support Lazio when the times are tough or when we don't play spectacular football...if I want to go to see Lazio I have to pay at least 200 euros and that's only to go there, see the game and go back home without even spending the night in Rome. If I could, I'd be there probably every game to support something I truly love.

If we need to build a stadium to attract fans then I'm really disappointed. The fans shouldn't care too much about the quality of football if they love the club.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Caput Mundi on March 01, 2017, 08:29:08 AM
Well said, Cnon. Empoli and Di Padre in Figlio were 'one-offs'. This is what I'd be looking at.

Lazio attendance at home against mid-table teams in February.

2000 - c.50,000
2015 - c.25,000
2017 - c.10,000

I mean we can talk about potential attendances in a new stadium or the culture of going to stadia elsewhere in the world, but the numbers speak volumes. The Lazio fanbase is in disarray at the moment and none of us can be sure of what effect a new stadium will have. I have very little faith because this Lazio is a team I'd gladly pay to watch if I could and people just are not paying to watch them. So I think the problem is too complex for a stadium to resolve.

I can't see how anyone could argue that the tradition of going to the stadium isn't dying among Lazio fans in Rome - the numbers say it's dying.

I honestly believe it's not about results or the quality of the team.

The examples cited in this thread across three countries (including Italy) are good evidence even elite teams (ie Juve 2002/03: won scudetto, CL runner-up, average crowd was only 39k - fifth best in Italy) will struggle to attract their fans to the ground if that ground doesn't meet people's expectations.

People increasingly are becoming event-goers. They expect the best facilities, a good seat, shelter from the elements and, most importantly a vibrant atmosphere. (Whether that is a good or bad aspect of our changing society is a whole other debate.)

A new stadium would have safety measures built in, negating the need for draconian police and security policies. The Curva Nord would be closer and more compact. By design, the stadium would be louder and more intimate. More people would go.

People only have so much free time and disposable income and if they feel going to a match isn't going to satisfy them or is too hard, they will do something else.

The days of a concrete stadium where everyone stands in the rain are over. The photos of the 1980s and 1990s look great but it'll never be like that again.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: ArmLaziale on March 01, 2017, 08:35:04 AM
I think it's a mixture of everything, but mostly due to the results. The fans know what to expect from this team, they know no matter how hard we try, it's going to be EL at most, there is't much to be excited about as the team has let down the fans in key moments like failing to qualify for CL, losing to Sparta in EL, literally putting their pants down to merda and so on, add to that the venomous atmosphere around the club with the barriers in the stadium, lotito being himself and so on and you have a perfect mix of poisonous atmosphere around the club which keeps the regular fan away, while the ultras are busy protesting everything all the time.

I mean look at Inter, they are a shitty team at the moment, but the fans know there is money, potential, investments which will pay off sooner or later (or never). With Lazio, there is simply nothing to keep the fans excited, motivated and they find themselves better things to do on Sundays, like spending time with your family.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Stefano6 on March 01, 2017, 10:19:05 AM
But we as a club have been like that for decades. We had a few years during Cragnotti era of having the best squad in the league, and even then we only won 1 scudetto and a Cup Winners Cup.

Great times, dont get me wrong, but a relative one-off, not the norm. Hell one of the clubs and fans proudest and most iconic moments, is a last minute goal that saved us from relegation!

To say Lazio fans will only go to the stadium when we have something to win, essentially means they will only go to the stadium once a decade.

As others have said, there are many factors, economic, personal, time, ease, etc. We wont ever be a team that can sell out a 70.000 seat stadium like we have no every week. Only the elite like Barca, Real, Man Utd, can do that, and we are a long way from that.

However, with better facilities, that are at least just as easy to get to as the Olimpico is now, which brings with it a better atmosphere with being close to the pitch, its new its shiny its comfortable, and coupled with us playing decent football as we are now, I honestly see no reason we cant pull in an average of 25-30.000 and sell out at 40-45.000 for the big games.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: drazvan on March 01, 2017, 10:47:00 AM
I do think that we can get easily 20-25k people in the stadium every week. So building a stadium with 35-40k place would be a step forward. I think it would give a more appropriate impression than seeing 20-25k in Olimpico - that looks almost empty. So the stadium idea is great. You can say what you want, but having an appropriate stadium is a step towards success - I can give Juve as example. Is not the only step, but it's a step we need to take. Olimpico is simply to big for a team that really needs morale support. That being said, I still don't understand why we cannot use Flaminio. I've always liked it and it surely has the right parameters.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Stefano6 on March 01, 2017, 10:52:46 AM
We technically could use Flaminio, but Lotito seems against it.
His main argument against it was that it would cost just as much money to renovate as it would to build a new one from the ground up.

Coupled with the fact that the area is tight of space, so parking and transport become an issue, and Lotito really wants a Lazio complex type deal with hotel, shops, restaurants etc, to bring in more money, and there simply isnt room.

Ive said before, I would absolutely love the Flaminio. Its closer to the city than Olimpico is, easy to get to via public transport (you actually pass it on the way to Olimpico on the tram), it looks great, and the atmosphere would be amazing. But it seems like itll never happen.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Hadi Van Der Vaart on March 01, 2017, 12:31:48 PM
I dont agree our fans doesnt watch the game in the stadium because of result. I think that reason more appropriate to Man City, PSG or Chelsea fans. We are not plastic fans like them, but we tend to protest everything non n the hatred toward management, esp Lotito is getting bigger n bigger.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Crni Đorđe on March 01, 2017, 12:33:56 PM
Merda newspapers already changing shift from 'new Lazio stadium' to 'Flaminio is dream of laziali', but that is because there are people who started various petitions for Flaminio.

I said it somewhere - because we can't make ourselves united about Stadium delle Aquile, Lazio won't get anything. Club doesn't want Flaminio, that must be holy grail for all tifosi in this matter.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: ArmLaziale on March 01, 2017, 12:35:01 PM
It's really simple in the end I think, if it's a pleasant experience, you will go to the stadium. That pleasant experience can be the good results/exciting games or a stadium where it's fun to be, being close to the pitch, having a nice atmosphere. Right now the results are good, but nothing too serious cause we know how it goes, next season - some EL and a mid table struggle.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Cathal on March 01, 2017, 12:59:43 PM
It's really simple in the end I think, if it's a pleasant experience, you will go to the stadium.

Bingo. And the rest of your post summed up how complex that is in the sense that what makes the stadium a pleasant experience is different for everyone.

Results can and often have been the main factor. If you go back two seasons ago, attendances pretty much doubled when it became clear that we weren't mere CL contenders but genuine CL contenders.

But clearly results are not the issue now. Speaking to people in Rome, it seems to be about the lack of atmosphere combined with the lack of comfort.

If Lotito was to put certain security measures in place with a new stadium then that combined with any Curva protest would create the same issue in a new stadium.

There's a lot to think about and a lot to get right to fill a new stadium on a regular basis.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Sile on March 06, 2017, 12:09:08 PM
Lotito is said to have arranged a meeting with Raggi (representative of the Rome county or whatever - person who authorised merdodrom) this month to push for his stadium. Flaminio is definitely written off as a possibility.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Stefano6 on March 06, 2017, 12:11:42 PM
Virginia Raggi is the mayor of Rome
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Sile on March 06, 2017, 12:15:14 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/f9FW2.gif?noredirect)

That makes sense. Every time I read the news there was always talk of Comune di Roma and I was never sure of her position.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Ramone on March 06, 2017, 01:35:16 PM
Virginia Raggi is the mayor of Rome

And her husband is a Lazio fan, somehow.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: lazioserbia on March 06, 2017, 01:48:19 PM
She is a Laziale too I think.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Stefano6 on March 06, 2017, 01:54:12 PM
Shes also pretty easy on the eye, if youre into older women!

(http://www.e-gazette.it/sites/default/files/images/2016/jun/13/127423245434956158328926016162425607989852n-664x445.jpg)
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on March 06, 2017, 01:55:48 PM
Stefano you guys are lucky with your politicians. I'd do bad things to this one

Mara Carfagna, the most talented Italian politician

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Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: lazioserbia on March 06, 2017, 02:01:10 PM
Yeah she looks great, very sexy  :twinkle:
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Portugal on August 23, 2017, 11:40:22 PM
Any news on this?
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Akha on August 23, 2017, 11:53:50 PM
Any news on this?

You mean Ilsemprelaziale and Mara Carfagna?
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on August 24, 2017, 12:04:22 AM
Sorry guys things just didn't work out between us
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Evesto on August 24, 2017, 12:10:33 AM
Sorry guys things just didn't work out between us

You turned her down?  Was she a romanista, because that can never be ...  :twinkle:
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Crni Đorđe on August 24, 2017, 07:57:19 AM
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I'd do bad things to this one

Berlusconi already did bad things to her.  :-[
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Rizmo on August 24, 2017, 10:09:31 AM
And here I opened the topic in hope for some stadium news. Ffs  :supsmile:
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Gianni Calcio on September 20, 2017, 12:40:09 AM
Any news on the new stadium?
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Biancocelesti on December 07, 2017, 07:01:44 PM
Anyone got some news on the current stadium plans? asroma got theirs approved, I see that Lazio are trying now aswell?
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on December 07, 2017, 08:07:32 PM
From what I know there's nothing in the works.

Wouldn't be surprised if Lotito has some sort of plan with buying Olimpico from CONI once 1927 has left the stadium.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Crni Đorđe on December 07, 2017, 08:23:48 PM
Architects that worked on Stadium delle Aquile 10+ years ago repeated this days that project of stadium in Tiberina zone of Rome (north of GRA) is still option for Lazio and Diaconale confirmed that Lotito is one to be asked regarding this issue - but he also implied that Lotito still wants Tiberina.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on December 07, 2017, 08:42:29 PM
Isn't that in the same area as the colosseum? Seems like a very expensive area in the city..
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Danish-Laziofan on December 07, 2017, 08:52:06 PM
Isn't that in the same area as the colosseum? Seems like a very expensive area in the city..

No, Tiberina is outside of Rome, north of the city. We'd never get the approval to put a stadium close to the Colosseum, it would take alone 100 years for the archeological works to be concluded  :razz:
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on December 07, 2017, 08:53:05 PM
That's what I thought, but when I looked up that area it showed me the same region as the colosesum..mind you not on top of it, but like 10-15 min walk from it  :supsmile:

ps: If we build outside the city I feel like we're giving too much of the city away to 1927...
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Crni Đorđe on December 07, 2017, 08:54:44 PM
Isn't that in the same area as the colosseum? Seems like a very expensive area in the city..


It's not, you think of Tiber Island, but there you can't build even a garage, not to mention 45k seated stadium with various adds.  :supsmile:

It's zone in blue that Lotito owns and first (and only) project are meant to be there.

(http://image.ibb.co/dW7ayv/Cattura1.png)
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Stefano6 on December 07, 2017, 08:57:12 PM
Its quite a long way out of town, and part of the works for the stadium would (should) include improving the transport links to the area where the stadium would be.

Personally im not a fan of the idea. I mean, our own stadium would be great, but the Olimpico is already far enough out of the centre. Granted there isnt much space elsewhere, but I guess a part of me still hoped for improvements to the Flaminio, or at least knock it down and build on the land, but that will never happen.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Danish-Laziofan on December 07, 2017, 08:58:11 PM
That's what I thought, but when I looked up that area it showed me the same region as the colosesum..mind you not on top of it, but like 10-15 min walk from it  :supsmile:

ps: If we build outside the city I feel like we're giving too much of the city away to 1927...

I also believe this is the main reason a lot of Laziali don't want this plan. It's too much of a compromise with the 'first team of Rome' argument.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Danish-Laziofan on December 07, 2017, 08:59:48 PM
Its quite a long way out of town, and part of the works for the stadium would (should) include improving the transport links to the area where the stadium would be.

Personally im not a fan of the idea. I mean, our own stadium would be great, but the Olimpico is already far enough out of the centre. Granted there isnt much space elsewhere, but I guess a part of me still hoped for improvements to the Flaminio, or at least knock it down and build on the land, but that will never happen.

I never really understood why we never gave it a bigger shot for the Flaminio project? Is it solely because Lotito for 5-8 years ago only wanted to develop his lands in Tiberina or because there was some legislation against using Flaminio?
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on December 07, 2017, 09:01:01 PM
The Colosseum could do with some biancoceleste decorations though and the location is spot on!

Historians all over the world would embrace the idea of la Lazio taking over that old heap of rock and restoring it to it's former glories!
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Stefano6 on December 07, 2017, 09:02:19 PM
That's what I thought, but when I looked up that area it showed me the same region as the colosesum..mind you not on top of it, but like 10-15 min walk from it  :supsmile:

ps: If we build outside the city I feel like we're giving too much of the city away to 1927...

I also believe this is the main reason a lot of Laziali don't want this plan. It's too much of a compromise with the 'first team of Rome' argument.

Dont blame them. The area Lotito is looking at is about 15km further out of the centre than the Olimpico, and the transport links are very poor.

Granted Romas stadium is not going to be in the city centre, but certainly a lot close than ours..

Coupled with the fact that as we know we already have very little presence in the city in terms of shops, merchandise, etc, to me it feels like were giving the city to Roma and confirming their long held belief that they are Rome and we are the outskirts that no one cares about..
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Stefano6 on December 07, 2017, 09:05:09 PM
Its quite a long way out of town, and part of the works for the stadium would (should) include improving the transport links to the area where the stadium would be.

Personally im not a fan of the idea. I mean, our own stadium would be great, but the Olimpico is already far enough out of the centre. Granted there isnt much space elsewhere, but I guess a part of me still hoped for improvements to the Flaminio, or at least knock it down and build on the land, but that will never happen.


I never really understood why we never gave it a bigger shot for the Flaminio project? Is it solely because Lotito for 5-8 years ago only wanted to develop his lands in Tiberina or because there was some legislation against using Flaminio?


Its complicated and I never fully understood it all. But the main bullet points are:

The land is owned by a private family (who however would be willing to do a deal at last I heard)
The costs of renovating Flaminio would be at least the same as that of building a whole new stadium
Seen as not big enough.
No land around the stadium, so no parking, and - more importantly for Lotito - no room to add the other things he wants like hotel, shops, restaurants, etc
Lotito owns the land around Tiburina so he wants to do something with it.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on December 07, 2017, 09:07:51 PM
Do you guys think lotito could convince Coni to sell olimpico to us? When 1927 leave they lose a large sum of revenue in rental fees and if were to leave as well they would only have events like concerts and rugby etc..

Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Stefano6 on December 07, 2017, 09:13:07 PM
Almost certainly not. Would the FA sell Wembley to Tottenham?
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on December 07, 2017, 09:16:23 PM
Almost certainly not. Would the FA sell Wembley to Tottenham?

No but that's a brand new stadium..
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Stefano6 on December 07, 2017, 09:21:07 PM
Its not. But the principle is the same.
CONI own the stadium and we and Roma are tennants, sure we pay them a significant amount of money to use it which they would lose out on if both teams were to leave.

But we are not the only people that use it. Rugby, the national team, concerts, events, athletics, just off the top of my head. Today it was announced that the opening game of Euro 2020 (among others) will be played here.
Their choice would be lose out on the money from 2 tennants, or sell the stadium and lose it all, because the money from those other events would then go to us. I doubt theyd even consider it.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: lazioserbia on December 07, 2017, 10:12:29 PM
I forgot the Olimpico history. Mussolini built it and that's basically all I can find on the internet now.

Who was it built for? And why is every chair blue?
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Cathal on December 07, 2017, 10:22:42 PM
Who was it built for? And why is every chair blue?

Built for Rome's 1944 Olympic bid. As for blue seats, I don't know the actual reason but I'd guess Italy colours?
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: emhad on December 08, 2017, 09:18:05 AM
I always dream of Lazio Stadium that full every week. So not necessary to be as big as Olympico. Would be enough to have 30 thousands capacity but like EPL type of stadium. Closer to the supporter and give the away team terror like in Turky Football Club's home.
 :stend1900x:
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Caput Mundi on December 08, 2017, 10:40:38 PM
Flaminio to me was the only solution. The ship seems to have sailed. We’ll end up outside the city but I’m not confident it’ll happen any time soon.

The Fiera di Roma area has alessi been mentioned because it’s in the Fiumicino council area instead of in Rome. Easier to get approval in theory.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Evesto on February 13, 2018, 05:20:22 PM
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Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Giosselino on February 13, 2018, 07:44:58 PM
When Inter will have their own stadium, they will overcome Juventus. For now, Bianconeri are the only team to be a modern stadium owner in Serie A, and they rule everything for seven years now.

We definitely need to leave Stadio Olimpico in order to overcome a step and to play on equal terms with Juve. I have really believed in the Stadio Delle Aquile project during the Cragnotti era. I don't think we'll ever see it being built under Lotito  :wuzz:
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on February 13, 2018, 07:46:22 PM
Lotito is facing a big issue though. He can't get approval for such a big project in the inside parts of the city and the fans are not going to like if Lazio moves far outside the city.

That's how I understand it anyway.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Evesto on February 13, 2018, 08:09:36 PM
When Inter will have their own stadium

Rather sooner then later.

But like Ilsempre said, no straight solution in sight apparently.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Stefano6 on February 13, 2018, 08:17:55 PM
Just give me the Flaminio!  :laziostend:
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Evesto on February 13, 2018, 08:26:52 PM
Just give me the Flaminio!  :laziostend:

Certainly would be nice.  I can't remember what the explenation was before to not do that, but i guess it had to do with needing costing more to renew then it was worth or something ...
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Stefano6 on February 13, 2018, 08:29:58 PM
Officially, they decided it would cost just as much to refurbish it back to Serie A standard, than it would to build a new one from the ground up. Plus complaints about the local infrastructure not being good enough, no parking, etc. Even though I dont agree and think it would be do able.

Unofficially, it wouldnt be as profitable. Any new stadium plan, just like that of Roma, doesnt have just a stadium but also hotel, sports centre, cinema, shops, etc, and would bring in much more income than just ticket sales.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Giosselino on February 14, 2018, 02:40:20 PM
Why not the Flaminio ? But restoration work would lead to a full capacity of 25 000 or 30 000 seats and we know that Lazio have a much more important fanbase and could easily attract 50 000 people in the stadium like we used to do before the Lotito objection boycott.

But what really bothers me is the former name of the Flaminio stadium. Spiteful tongues would have a great time with saying that Lazio is playing in the former Stadio Nazionale del PNF  :whistle:
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: moody on February 14, 2018, 02:48:32 PM
Juventus' stadium is only 41000 so I think that figure is pretty safe as our attendance this year averages 26000, and with some increase after the new stadium, it still won't go over 30000, so a stadium with 40000 is probably a safe bet. That is if we really have a stadium to begin with.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Stefano6 on February 14, 2018, 03:24:34 PM
Why not the Flaminio ? But restoration work would lead to a full capacity of 25 000 or 30 000 seats and we know that Lazio have a much more important fanbase and could easily attract 50 000 people in the stadium like we used to do before the Lotito objection boycott.

But what really bothers me is the former name of the Flaminio stadium. Spiteful tongues would have a great time with saying that Lazio is playing in the former Stadio Nazionale del PNF  :whistle:

I very much doubt anyone would say that, especially since Roma have played there as well in their history.

The capacity was 30,000.. im positive that with some work it could easily reach 35000, and considering we average 25000, and Juves stadium has 40000, I think 35 for us would be fine. To be honest id rather see us sell out every week and have a great atmosphere, than be seen as a bit of a laughing stock when TV cameras show 50000 empty seats at our games (even if we know the reasons)

But its all irrelavant since we will never get the Flaminio, its already been given up on long ago
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Cathal on February 14, 2018, 03:37:16 PM
Juventus is such a bad example. In the 90s, our average attendance was far above theirs and was always there or thereabouts with the Milan clubs and 1927.

We almost had 40,000 for the home game with Crotone in December, so I can imagine potential Champions League games with Real in a 40,000 seater could be problematic.

Stadio della 1927 will have 52,500 capacity with a view to expanding to 55,000. I think any stadium we move to must have the potential to expand to 50,000+
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: moody on February 14, 2018, 04:22:14 PM
Juventus is such a bad example. In the 90s, our average attendance was far above theirs and was always there or thereabouts with the Milan clubs and 1927.

We almost had 40,000 for the home game with Crotone in December, so I can imagine potential Champions League games with Real in a 40,000 seater could be problematic.

Stadio della 1927 will have 52,500 capacity with a view to expanding to 55,000. I think any stadium we move to must have the potential to expand to 50,000+

90s were like 20 years ago and when Lazio was in its prime, and now we're still sitting out of CL for like 10 years already, why are we so optimistic on the attendance? Unless we foresee going up rapidly like those England teams, there's really not much to look forward to especially when Serie A is still far away from glorious days.

Juve and Roma has an attendance of ~37000 and one has chosen 41000 capacity while the other is having 52500, we having 26000 attendance should logically go for 35000 as Stefano said. Going for 50000+ is again going to have half empty stadiums except for one or few rare matches like Crotone, derby and CL if that really happens.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Cathal on February 14, 2018, 05:28:54 PM
90s were like 20 years ago and when Lazio was in its prime, and now we're still sitting out of CL for like 10 years already, why are we so optimistic on the attendance? Unless we foresee going up rapidly like those England teams, there's really not much to look forward to especially when Serie A is still far away from glorious days.

Juve and Roma has an attendance of ~37000 and one has chosen 41000 capacity while the other is having 52500, we having 26000 attendance should logically go for 35000 as Stefano said. Going for 50000+ is again going to have half empty stadiums except for one or few rare matches like Crotone, derby and CL if that really happens.

It's not about the 90s or the golden era, but recognising that Lazio has potential that Juventus lack.

We have to be optimistic on the attendance. When Juventus proposed the 41,000 seater stadium, their average attendance was around 20k, now the attendance has doubled and they are having to turn people away.

I think Lazio fans have it in their head that we can't get to old levels because Cragnotti is gone and so have the 90s, but there's so many variables that you can't think like that. One big variable would be the quality of the stadium itself, which I'd take for granted as contributing to Juventus' doubling of their attendance.

Of course, you want to build a stadium you can fill every week, but if we built a 35k stadium, there's going to be games in the future where 30,000 people can't get tickets.

The magic number, for me, is around the 50k mark.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Stefano6 on February 14, 2018, 05:46:45 PM
Juve have always been a good team, but a big reason for Juve attendance being poor was the fans hated the delle alpi - I never went but apparently the view was poor, although from the images it seems similar to the Olimpico.

I think realistically we wont get back to the Cragnotti levels - after all that was a very brief period of time in which we overachieved and we are paying for it 20 years later. But I think a steady 35-40000 is achievable.

50k would be great, and id have absolutely no issues with them going for that sort of capacity stadium, but I still think it would sell out only once or twice a season.

Having said that, we certainly wouldnt be alone, I mean there are teams like Man City that never sell out so its not that unusual. It just seems worse than it is at the minute for us because the stadium massively dwarves the average crowd.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: valdanito on February 14, 2018, 05:54:34 PM
Cathal must be talking about expansion capacity, not the original capacity of the potential stadium. I agree here, let's build something realistic, but that allows us to expand if the need presented itself.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Cnon on February 14, 2018, 06:05:12 PM
I think the new stadium should have around 40k seats in the beginning. Then we would sell it out every day even when finishing in top 6-8 positions. But it should have an option to upgrade to 50k IF we manage to become yearly scudetto challengers and play in the UCL every season. It's a bigger problem to not sell out every match day than to sell out every match day with 30k fans not getting in because if we can't sell out every match, then we can't raise the prices of the tickets and lose money. While with lesser seats there is more competition for people to buy tickets and thus they are willing to pay more and thus giving us more ticket money.
Title: Re: New stadium Lazio
Post by: Cathal on February 14, 2018, 06:11:50 PM
Juve have always been a good team, but a big reason for Juve attendance being poor was the fans hated the delle alpi - I never went but apparently the view was poor, although from the images it seems similar to the Olimpico.

Exact reason why I think our attendance would shoot up as soon as we move. Location will obviously be a factor, but I think sitting in front of the TV becomes less attractive once the alternative is something other than the Stadio Olimpico.

Cathal must be talking about expansion capacity, not the original capacity of the potential stadium.

I don't mind if the original capacity is around 35-40k as long as the option is there to increase capacity. The last thing you want to do is limit the club's potential for decades to come by being too conservative with the stadium plans.

But I'd imagine the Derby in April will be knocking on the door of 60k, while Milan in September past was 40k, Crotone was almost 40k because of the timing of the game.

If we move to a more modern stadium, and we have Champions League football and the fixture schedule is stadium-goer friendly, we're going to have problems with a 35k seater straight out the gate.