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Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Secret_Samadhi on July 01, 2018, 10:40:05 AM
According to FI, Barca is after SMS too and could offer Rafinha in the deal. I hope Lotito knows that selling SMS abroad is best for Lazio, forget about Juve.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: blue_sky on July 01, 2018, 11:04:49 AM
If SMS goes, we will lose an aerial duel for counter attack.
Cebalos, Rafinha, or Adrea Gomez aren't fitted with our style of play. Instead I choose Grujic.
Anyway Inter has very active in this summer. politano, DV and many more.
Tough competition for next season for UCL imo. Seeing us only bringing Durmisi and Berisha so far, I am a bit skeptical. plus we will lose FA and yet reinforcement for defender

Inter is doing no different then any other summer.  Nainggolan will be an addition the way Spalleti will use him but the rest won't be different.  Politano doesn't worry me and De Vrij is on the bench if starters stay.  :twinkle:
Therefore we could take Candreva for wing back in 352. He is fitted to play there in NT. But with cut off salary.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Giolazio on July 01, 2018, 11:05:57 AM
The problem is Lotito who is has to deal with if we lost an important players, he replaced with a promising players

It's not a problem, it's the smart thing to do. it's what we have done every time we have sold an 'important' player. Last season was our most exciting in a long time. The system is working.

It's when you start blowing 10s of millions on 26-30 year old established players who will hold little resale value, not to mention the wages they would demand, that's when things start to go downhill.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: blue_sky on July 01, 2018, 11:19:15 AM
The problem is Lotito who is has to deal with if we lost an important players, he replaced with a promising players

It's not a problem, it's the smart thing to do. it's what we have done every time we have sold an 'important' player. Last season was our most exciting in a long time. The system is working.

It's when you start blowing 10s of millions on 26-30 year old established players who will hold little resale value, not to mention the wages they would demand, that's when things start to go downhill.
I called Baselli, Romagnoli, Emre Can are established players and affordable if we sold SMS. while Lotito will take Gelson Martin, the duo salsburg promising players, and Acerbi
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Giolazio on July 01, 2018, 11:32:19 AM
The problem is Lotito who is has to deal with if we lost an important players, he replaced with a promising players

It's not a problem, it's the smart thing to do. it's what we have done every time we have sold an 'important' player. Last season was our most exciting in a long time. The system is working.

It's when you start blowing 10s of millions on 26-30 year old established players who will hold little resale value, not to mention the wages they would demand, that's when things start to go downhill.
I called Baselli, Romagnoli, Emre Can are established players and affordable if we sold SMS. while Lotito will take Gelson Martin, the duo salsburg promising players, and Acerbi


Baselli might be the one that's feasable, but would you rather spend 30-40mil on him (his price will inflate once we have 100mil to spend) or 7mil for Berisha?

Emre Can has signed for Juve and would never have come here and Milan are extremely unlikely to ever sell Romagnoli to us and he is extremely unlikely to accept our wage.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: blue_sky on July 01, 2018, 11:53:16 AM
I don't mind spending 20mil something for SMS replacement. And Baselli should be only 20-25 mil.
7 mil for Berisha is good move but isn't Berisha comes not to be a replacement of SMS I believe.
Can is the example of established players. I can take note of Brandlt Germany, Praet because of his established moment in Seri A. While Romagnoli is that Milan has issue FFP. Milan needs to sell
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 01, 2018, 11:58:17 AM
The Berisha deal could turn out to be bargain of the season in world football if keeps playing like he did at Salzburg.

As for Romagnoli, the last chance we had at signing him died when he extended his contract.I do not believe he will ever play for Lazio which is a shame..

Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: campiador on July 01, 2018, 12:21:52 PM
I really hope we hear good news from Acerbi deal this week. We have a hole in our defense. Let's not forget how many goals we conceded last year.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: LazioKosovo on July 01, 2018, 12:36:21 PM
I really hope we hear good news from Acerbi deal this week. We have a hole in our defense. Let's not forget how many goals we conceded last year.

I am very positive on Acerbi. I think he is right guy as DV replacement (within our financial reach of course). But, I think that Lazio needs to have (at lest) another "Acerbi" as CB.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: torsten on July 01, 2018, 02:10:45 PM
Think that both Durmisi and Berisha could go into the starting eleven and be good.

So now we expect Silvio Proto to replace Ivan Vargic. That should be an upgrade. Any news about Danilo Cataldi? I know I'm crazy, but i still think that he could have a place in the 25 team, thing is he probably wants to be a starter..
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 01, 2018, 02:12:59 PM
I don't mind spending 20mil something for SMS replacement. And Baselli should be only 20-25 mil.

It's crap that cost 25 million. If we want crap, let's sign it for pennies.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: blue_sky on July 01, 2018, 03:11:41 PM
I don't mind spending 20mil something for SMS replacement. And Baselli should be only 20-25 mil.

It's crap that cost 25 million. If we want crap, let's sign it for pennies.
I would love to hear from you the name of replacement of SMS if h goes as established as Baselli  :whistle:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Nass on July 01, 2018, 03:31:05 PM
Marchetti (1,4), Djordjevic (1,2), de Vrij (1,3), Nani (2,5) and Rozzi (0,1) released 6,5 millions in salary.

We only know Berisha comes in at 1,3 and maybe Durmisi something around the same, Sprocati can't get more than 0,7 and Proto will most definitely be at less salary than Marchetti so there is absolutely room for at least one more player (maybe Acerbi at 1,5-2?) before even making any sales and we will still have saved on salaries compared to last season. So the signings made already in June had IMO nothing to do with what will happen in July and August but were direct additions from space made up by those free contracts above.

An important challenge this summer will be to find buyers to all unwanted players that has an expiring contract 2019 (Mauricio, Prce, Lukaku, Perea) because we can't loan those players out at their last year (or we could renew and send them out on loan again) of contract. Then we have the long list of all other returnees that must be dealt with as well like Kishna, Morrison, Lombardi, Cataldi, Minala, Rossi and Tounkara to mention some. Vargic being here is not good karma for our squad either if he's not to be featured.

Then we can start talking departures like SMS, FA, Wallace, Basta and Di Gennaro because what is happening here needs to be addressed with equal (hopefully even better) replacements

We must end up with a 25-man squad that must have 4 Italians and other regulations to be considered. (Wesley would occupy one of the 2 non-EU spots so the other one must have 4 international caps or something like that)

All in all, there's a lot of work to be done so be patient with our board fellow laziali
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: SNHW on July 01, 2018, 03:45:12 PM
Although taking all SMS rumours with a pinch of salt, Barca's interest does seem legit. Reports suggesting that, after Inter fannied around with the Rafinha deal, Barca could send him to us if they move for Sergej. Not a bad player at all and definitely the best that has been linked with us in a part-exchange!

https://thelaziali.com/2018/07/01/report-rafinha-lazio/
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 02, 2018, 12:13:45 AM
Badstuber is now a free agent, just wanted to mention this.  :twinkle:

Newest Juve - Sergej includes the involvement of Bentancur.

Wesley left with his current team to summertrainingcamp, so a deal is clearly not close.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 02, 2018, 12:50:00 AM
I would take Bentacur and a big sum of money..like 80-90 mill euros. If that's on the cards that is.

Also Badstuber and Acerbi? now we're talking.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: SNHW on July 02, 2018, 08:54:53 AM
Media in Italy suggesting that the Felipe Anderson to West Ham deal is very nearly collapsing - which would mean he remains at Lazio. It is then down to the management to work out how to include him in their plans, with a tactical shake-up potentially needed to accomadate for Luis Alberto, Ciro Immobile and Felipe himself.


https://thelaziali.com/2018/07/02/report-felipe-anderson-lazio/
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: campiador on July 02, 2018, 10:30:03 AM
Media in Italy suggesting that the Felipe Anderson to West Ham deal is very nearly collapsing - which would mean he remains at Lazio. It is then down to the management to work out how to include him in their plans, with a tactical shake-up potentially needed to accomadate for Luis Alberto, Ciro Immobile and Felipe himself.


https://thelaziali.com/2018/07/02/report-felipe-anderson-lazio/

I hope this is true. And I hope Simone at least tries 4-2-3-1 with Sergej, LA, and FA behind Ciro.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: TracyJacks on July 02, 2018, 10:57:51 AM
Media in Italy suggesting that the Felipe Anderson to West Ham deal is very nearly collapsing - which would mean he remains at Lazio. It is then down to the management to work out how to include him in their plans, with a tactical shake-up potentially needed to accomadate for Luis Alberto, Ciro Immobile and Felipe himself.


https://thelaziali.com/2018/07/02/report-felipe-anderson-lazio/

I hope this is true. And I hope Simone at least tries 4-2-3-1 with Sergej, LA, and FA behind Ciro.

Yes, and sign him new contract soon. I don’t want another drama like DV. His contract expired in 2020. Hurry
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 02, 2018, 11:21:36 AM
I hope this is true. And I hope Simone at least tries 4-2-3-1 with Sergej, LA, and FA behind Ciro.

I know what you're saying because if this was Football Manager and I took over this Lazio today, I'd start buying myself a new defence with the idea of playing 4-2-3-1 with that exact attack

But in reality, Inzaghi has spent a year with this tactic. Offensively, it can't work much better, and defensively, he went with this system because with our players, a back four wasn't working.

We're too committed to a back three to go back, I feel. We don't have any natural full-backs other than Patric.

So I think someone has to go or accept the Lazio bench as their new home. I think it will be Felipe Anderson. I think most people are worried at this point that it's going to be SMS.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: dinhochester on July 02, 2018, 11:26:55 AM
I think most people are worried at this point that it's going to be SMS.
How so?
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 02, 2018, 11:29:17 AM
I think most people are worried at this point that it's going to be SMS.
How so?

Because reading this forum, other outlets, social media, talking to Lazio fans online - most are talking like SMS has already left.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 02, 2018, 11:44:08 AM
The tactic wasn’t why we conceded so many goals last season. Instead it was a bunch of defenders taking turn looking like headless chickens. With a better defence we would have ended higher in the league no doubt.

I definitely think a 4 man defence would’ve more forgiving on our not so competent defenders, but if inzaghi doesn’t want to change tactic then he has to make changes in the back.

Wallace and Bastos aren’t up to the task.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: TracyJacks on July 02, 2018, 02:59:41 PM
Any chance we got Lainer? Salzburg DS claim he’s not joining Napoli  :whistle:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 02, 2018, 03:10:40 PM
Any idea why Berisha hasn't been presented yet?
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 02, 2018, 03:19:31 PM
Any idea why Berisha hasn't been presented yet?

No. But the longer it appears to be not 'official', the more likely it is that something is preventing it from being made official. And in this case, there's already one good reason why it could fall through.

So if everything is fine and we're signing him, just announce it Lazio.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: blue_sky on July 02, 2018, 03:45:56 PM
Any idea why Berisha hasn't been presented yet?

No. But the longer it appears to be not 'official', the more likely it is that something is preventing it from being made official. And in this case, there's already one good reason why it could fall through.

So if everything is fine and we're signing him, just announce it Lazio.
He failed medical test?
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 02, 2018, 03:49:48 PM
I hope this is true. And I hope Simone at least tries 4-2-3-1 with Sergej, LA, and FA behind Ciro.

I know what you're saying because if this was Football Manager and I took over this Lazio today, I'd start buying myself a new defence with the idea of playing 4-2-3-1 with that exact attack

But in reality, Inzaghi has spent a year with this tactic. Offensively, it can't work much better, and defensively, he went with this system because with our players, a back four wasn't working.

We're too committed to a back three to go back, I feel. We don't have any natural full-backs other than Patric.

So I think someone has to go or accept the Lazio bench as their new home. I think it will be Felipe Anderson. I think most people are worried at this point that it's going to be SMS.

+1

Pure media talk.  We've signed 2 expensive players just now for the 3511 and a year of effort towards that system.
Like Cathal said, this isn't FIFA 18.   :twinkle:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 02, 2018, 03:51:53 PM
He failed medical test?

I was thinking more that Tare and SEG have to sit down in a room and discuss how much SEG get paid, and that this was what was pretty much the problem with de Vrij.

You would assume they had this conversation before Berisha had a medical, but the media said Berisha was negotiating with Lazio without SEG's involvment, so...
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 02, 2018, 04:10:46 PM
Lotito said in the Auronzo press conference that Lazio don't need to sell to buy, and that the club has already bought players and will present them at an appropriate time.

He said some players at Lazio want to move to bigger clubs and when they do, they'll knock on his door but while previous Lazio presidents would've sold with ease in this situation, Lotito said he won't be doing so, and players will only be sold in this window when his own financial demands are met.

He said Lazio have a good reputation in the football community, especially with foreign clubs. To illustrate his point, he says Lazio have already bought a player in this market and paid the first installment on that player. Basically trying to deny the argument that he has a bad reputation as a negotiator by pointing out that Lazio can pay the bills, and clubs in business with us like that.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: blue_sky on July 02, 2018, 04:14:12 PM
He failed medical test?

I was thinking more that Tare and SEG have to sit down in a room and discuss how much SEG get paid, and that this was what was pretty much the problem with de Vrij.

You would assume they had this conversation before Berisha had a medical, but the media said Berisha was negotiating with Lazio without SEG's involvment, so...
I don't know how SEG-DV is related to Berisha transfer. I just never get it. SEG is company who is responsible/representative to players in any circumstances. So I more suspicious it's related to transfer failed off Berisha to Sampdoria than with Tare-SEG. And don't forget about Bastos with SEG which is fine so far. Even Bastos is claiming that he will be still in Lazio shirt which not many people is happy about that
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: valdanito on July 02, 2018, 04:17:42 PM
He failed medical test?

I was thinking more that Tare and SEG have to sit down in a room and discuss how much SEG get paid, and that this was what was pretty much the problem with de Vrij.

You would assume they had this conversation before Berisha had a medical, but the media said Berisha was negotiating with Lazio without SEG's involvment, so...
I don't know how SEG-DV is related to Berisha transfer. I just never get it. SEG is company who is responsible/representative to players in any circumstances. So I more suspicious it's related to transfer failed off Berisha to Sampdoria than with Tare-SEG. And don't forget about Bastos with SEG which is fine so far. Even Bastos is claiming that he will be still in Lazio shirt which not many people is happy about that

Did Bastos not drop SEG just days after signing with them? I think Lazio let him know or quickly realized that SEG would only affect his relationship with the club.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: SNHW on July 02, 2018, 04:19:29 PM
Marco Bielsa is wanting to bring Caicedo to Leeds United  :bravo: :bravo: :sciarpa05: :sciarpa05:

https://thelaziali.com/2018/07/02/leeds-united-felipe-caicedo-lazio/
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 02, 2018, 04:22:54 PM
I don't know how SEG-DV is related to Berisha transfer. I just never get it. SEG is company who is responsible/representative to players in any circumstances. So I more suspicious it's related to transfer failed off Berisha to Sampdoria than with Tare-SEG. And don't forget about Bastos with SEG which is fine so far. Even Bastos is claiming that he will be still in Lazio shirt which not many people is happy about that

Did Bastos not drop SEG just days after signing with them? I think Lazio let him know or quickly realized that SEG would only affect his relationship with the club.

Yes. It's probably safe to assume Lazio made Bastos drop SEG, which is why I'm finding it hard to believe this Berisha deal is going through with SEG's involvement.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Giolazio on July 02, 2018, 04:55:58 PM
I don't know how SEG-DV is related to Berisha transfer. I just never get it. SEG is company who is responsible/representative to players in any circumstances. So I more suspicious it's related to transfer failed off Berisha to Sampdoria than with Tare-SEG. And don't forget about Bastos with SEG which is fine so far. Even Bastos is claiming that he will be still in Lazio shirt which not many people is happy about that

Did Bastos not drop SEG just days after signing with them? I think Lazio let him know or quickly realized that SEG would only affect his relationship with the club.

Yes. It's probably safe to assume Lazio made Bastos drop SEG, which is why I'm finding it hard to believe this Berisha deal is going through with SEG's involvement.

Yeah there's no way you would get back in bed with someone who just stabbed you in the back. Especially not Lotito.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 02, 2018, 05:00:34 PM
I'm hoping it's just Lazio being typically late to make announcements, but I'm nervous about Berisha purely because of the SEG element.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: blue_sky on July 02, 2018, 05:10:25 PM
I'm hoping it's just Lazio being typically late to make announcements, but I'm nervous about Berisha purely because of the SEG element.
Lotito said that he will announce the purchase in the right time. So we need not to worry. For the record, we haven't had history that any players whose has done medical test failed. The most cases is FA in 2013
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: TracyJacks on July 02, 2018, 05:27:53 PM
I'm hoping it's just Lazio being typically late to make announcements, but I'm nervous about Berisha purely because of the SEG element.
Lotito said that he will announce the purchase in the right time. So we need not to worry. For the record, we haven't had history that any players whose has done medical test failed. The most cases is FA in 2013

How bout Golasa guy dan Eguren guy? Remember them? :razz:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: blue_sky on July 02, 2018, 06:22:19 PM
I'm hoping it's just Lazio being typically late to make announcements, but I'm nervous about Berisha purely because of the SEG element.
Lotito said that he will announce the purchase in the right time. So we need not to worry. For the record, we haven't had history that any players whose has done medical test failed. The most cases is FA in 2013

How bout Golasa guy dan Eguren guy? Remember them? :razz:
No at all :whistle:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 02, 2018, 07:36:54 PM
https://www.football-italia.net/123899/lotito-%E2%80%98lazio-dont-have-sell%E2%80%99 (https://www.football-italia.net/123899/lotito-%E2%80%98lazio-dont-have-sell%E2%80%99)

The key thing I take away from this is

“We’ve already made some signings, they’ll be presented at the right time,” Lotito said.

I wonder who he is referring to? Berisha, Acerbi or someone else?
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 02, 2018, 07:46:31 PM
Technically, Durmisi and Sprocati haven't been presented.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 02, 2018, 07:50:25 PM
https://thelaziali.com/2018/07/02/seleco-ends-relationship-with-lazio/

Seems like we don't have a shirtsponser anymore.

https://thelaziali.com/2018/07/02/leeds-united-felipe-caicedo-lazio/

Sell Sell Sell !!!

https://thelaziali.com/2018/07/02/bastos-lazio-interview/

Bastos wants to stay and improve.

Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: valdanito on July 02, 2018, 10:26:34 PM
So we free up salaries but again find ourselves without sponsor.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Giolazio on July 02, 2018, 10:34:11 PM
So we free up salaries but again find ourselves without sponsor.

Maybe we have something else lined up
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 02, 2018, 11:21:35 PM
Di Marzio claimed Proto will be in Rome on wednesday for his medical at Paideia.
But Belgian sportsmedia claim the goalkeeper is weighing up 2 offers.

Ochoa is leaving Standard after receiving offers during his WC performances. 
A move to Standard brings Proto back to Belgium.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 03, 2018, 02:05:54 AM
LSN reports Sevilla has agreed terms with Salzburg concerning their defender Caleta-Car.
The players was formerly linked to us in one of the latest rumours.

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According to Marco Ercole there's going to be another encouter today between West Ham & Lazio concerning the possible sale of Felipe Anderson. A distance of 7mil between offer and demand remains the issue. As said himself Lotito will only sell when an offer meets his demands. So it's assumed a deal will be made if West Ham up their bid or brake down permanently if they don't.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: SNHW on July 03, 2018, 09:18:02 AM
Despite the Anderson deal looking increasingly unlikely, Danish forward Martin Braithwaite has identified as a potential replacement, should the Brazilian leave.

https://thelaziali.com/2018/07/03/report-lazio-martin-braithwaite/

and, it seems on quite good authority that Juventus are officially out of the race for Sergej Milinkovic-Savic. The ~€150m asking price is too high for the club and after Lotito's passionate speech about the market yesterday, it appears that the player remain at Lazio (with only Madrid and Barcelona reportedly keen now)

https://thelaziali.com/2018/07/03/juventus-withdraw-milinkovic-savic/
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Stefano6 on July 03, 2018, 10:05:00 AM
Di Marzio claimed Proto will be in Rome on wednesday for his medical at Paideia.
But Belgian sportsmedia claim the goalkeeper is weighing up 2 offers.

Ochoa is leaving Standard after receiving offers during his WC performances. 
A move to Standard brings Proto back to Belgium.

I cant get excited about this Proto guy.. sure hes lined up to be Strakoshas backup (but im not a big fan of Strakosha either!) but it just seems a little underwhelming to me.

I would love Ochoa, but for me he would be our number 1 without question.
Only problem is he only seems to play well for Mexico!
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: edo_shehb on July 03, 2018, 10:39:06 AM
Despite the Anderson deal looking increasingly unlikely, Danish forward Martin Braithwaite has identified as a potential replacement, should the Brazilian leave.

https://thelaziali.com/2018/07/03/report-lazio-martin-braithwaite/

and, it seems on quite good authority that Juventus are officially out of the race for Sergej Milinkovic-Savic. The ~€150m asking price is too high for the club and after Lotito's passionate speech about the market yesterday, it appears that the player remain at Lazio (with only Madrid and Barcelona reportedly keen now)

https://thelaziali.com/2018/07/03/juventus-withdraw-milinkovic-savic/

well I never think the cheap lady would spend +100M for our player anyway
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 03, 2018, 11:01:08 AM
Juventus have tried a number of dirty tricks in the media to lower SMS' price and Lotito made his position clear yesterday. Whether Juventus buy Lotito's words or not, it's in their interest to declare themselves out of the race to apply some pressure on Lotito.

I've always been confident that SMS would stay, but the fact both Tare and Lotito are leaving the door ajar tells me that they are prepared to sell under some sort of condition.

Whereas with Immobile, for example, Tare has completed ruled out a sale. They don't even want to entertain interest in Immobile.

It's difficult to read the situation. We could be making a fuss over SMS because he wants to go and is making a nuisance of himself behind the scenes, or it could be because he's got such a great temperament that the club are happy to see what's out there and trust that it won't distract SMS.

But I don't believe for a second that Juventus is out of the race and SMS is becoming more and more likely to stay. That's not how we're playing this, or Juve for that matter.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Giosselino on July 03, 2018, 11:09:33 AM
I would love Ochoa, but for me he would be our number 1 without question.
Only problem is he only seems to play well for Mexico!

Ochoa is known to be a great and spectacular goalkeeper for many years now. I remember his achievement when he was at Ajaccio. His exploits in french Ligue 1 have earned him to be considered as one of the best keepers among the major europeans leagues.
I would be glad to have him as our number one keeper !
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: dinhochester on July 03, 2018, 11:12:39 AM
https://9gag.com/gag/aoNnYP3

LOL
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Stefano6 on July 03, 2018, 11:13:51 AM
I would love Ochoa, but for me he would be our number 1 without question.
Only problem is he only seems to play well for Mexico!

Ochoa is known to be a great and spectacular goalkeeper for many years now. I remember his achievement when he was at Ajaccio. His exploits in french Ligue 1 have earned him to be considered as one of the best keepers among the major europeans leagues.
I would be glad to have him as our number one keeper !

Im a big fan of his and would love him to come here, but he did have several bad seasons in Spain recently. But he just turns it on for Mexico.

He reminds me a lot of Marchetti (maybe its the hair!), great reactions, seems a bit crazy! I think its a fantasy that he comes here though, we dont seem to be actively looking for a new GK, the club seem happy to stick with Strakosha.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 03, 2018, 11:20:15 AM
Ochoa isn't that much different to Strakosha - makes everything look spectacularly difficult and makes his fair share of errors. It's just the Mexican, like Marchetti, is more animated.

Lazio are all-in on Strakosha and so with that being the case, we need to upgrade on Vargic who just hasn't looked solid in the few minutes he's got in a Lazio shirt and with Guerrieri still held in some regard, that goalkeeper needs to be cheap, experienced and dispensable, otherwise he will hold back Guerrieri in time.

So I can completely see where we're coming from with Silvio Proto.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Morts on July 03, 2018, 01:46:52 PM
Lazio have officially confirmed that Mamadou Tounkara has joined FC Schaffhausen on loan
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: valdanito on July 03, 2018, 02:21:00 PM

Official twitter also confirmed berisha!
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 03, 2018, 02:28:12 PM
Maybe it's because the window closes earlier this year, but loaning out players as soon as it opens and having three signings ready for pre-season is a new phenomenon for us.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: randy_laziale on July 03, 2018, 02:40:30 PM
Berisha is official!

Lotito act fast in this market.. Anyone can explain what happen with him?  :what:

 :band04: :band04:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 03, 2018, 02:41:34 PM
And Acerbi was a no-show for his Sassuolo medical...
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Dakiller961 on July 03, 2018, 02:49:58 PM
Maybe it's because the window closes earlier this year, but loaning out players as soon as it opens and having three signings ready for pre-season is a new phenomenon for us.

I think I wrote somewhere , at the beginning of June, that we will sign some players before end of June which is not normal for us

the main reason for this is that lotito confirmed he has money to spend this mercato, and in order to spend it during the 2017/18 season, he had to do it by end of June and get it in the books early
that is why we had all these signings done before end of june, and we did not sell in this period also, because i think the sales need to be included in the new fiscal year that start in July, hence i think we will start seing sale operations go through now

so now the new fiscal started for FFP and we will put the sale of anderson+ lukaku + any other in this new year which will give us a big mercato wallet to play with this july, January and next june
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Stefano6 on July 03, 2018, 03:19:21 PM
I think some of it also has to do with the window closing before the first game of the season now, so teams have no incentive to try and stretch things out to gain a better deal, its better for them to get the player in asap and have pre season to prepare as a group
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 03, 2018, 03:28:28 PM
so teams have no incentive to try and stretch things out to gain a better deal,

You had me fooled with Lotito pulling his usual stuff in the Acerbi deal  :supsmile:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Stefano6 on July 03, 2018, 03:35:37 PM
But hes doing it now, when there is still 5 weeks to go. Im sure if it were the last few days, that €2m difference wouldnt be such a big deal.

I think we will have most of our squad including new purcahses in place before we go Auronzo, and definitely before we go to Germany. At the end of the day, a few training matches in Auronzo that we win 16-0 arent going to do much, so its no big deal if a new signing misses a couple of those, but the proper training games in Germany will be much more important to the squad and to Inzaghi.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: blue-white on July 03, 2018, 03:59:19 PM
But hes doing it now, when there is still 5 weeks to go. Im sure if it were the last few days, that €2m difference wouldnt be such a big deal.

I think we will have most of our squad including new purcahses in place before we go Auronzo, and definitely before we go to Germany. At the end of the day, a few training matches in Auronzo that we win 16-0 arent going to do much, so its no big deal if a new signing misses a couple of those, but the proper training games in Germany will be much more important to the squad and to Inzaghi.

you are right that the 16-0 matches are not that important, but the preseason training before and between these games are important.
players coming in August for training games is too late in my opinion. They miss the heavy workouts, the extra defensive and offensive training - all tactical points of it!
Because of that, Nani had problems - he came too late, and LA came too late too in his first season.

All what new players miss in the Auronzo days, they have to "learn" during the season.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: SNHW on July 03, 2018, 04:59:40 PM
After West Ham look to be bottling the Felipe transfer, apparently Lotito has had contact from Monaco and Valencia...


https://thelaziali.com/2018/07/03/felipe-anderson-valencia-monaco-westham/
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: lazioserbia on July 03, 2018, 06:16:02 PM
Ronaldo to Juventus?
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 03, 2018, 07:02:12 PM
TMW.  Lotito set Bastos price after Wolverhampton interest, 15mil.     :twinkle:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Sile on July 03, 2018, 07:04:13 PM
If he gets half that I'll be ecstatic
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: lazioserbia on July 03, 2018, 07:06:46 PM
Hahaha not even Mendes can pull that off  :twinkle:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 03, 2018, 07:26:47 PM
Guess Lotito is saying with this, he's not for sale unless you pay double his value.

-------------------------

Current situation :

Incoming :

Riza Durmisi                     6.5mil (Real Betis)
Mattia Sprocati                 2.5mil (US Salernitana)
Valon Berisha                   7.5mil (RB Salzburg)
 
Outgoing :

Stefan De Vrij                   free agent (Internazionale FC)
Federico Marchetti             free agent (Genoa CFC)
Filip Djordjevic                  free agent (Chievo Verona)
Luis Nani                          end of loan (Valencia CF)
Antonio Rozzi                    free agent
Mamadou Tounkara           loan (FC Schaffhausen)
Francesco Orlando             free agent (US Salernitana)

Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 03, 2018, 10:27:01 PM
15 mill euros is cheap for an extremely talented CB like Bastos who has proven to be a very calm defender with excellent interception skills. It's always surprised me just how good he is at intercepting the ball without jumping into reckless fouls.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: campiador on July 04, 2018, 12:31:02 AM
Yeah I cannot believe Lotito would even consider 15 mil for Bastos. After all Bastos has done to for us.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: dinhochester on July 04, 2018, 03:43:50 AM
15 mill euros is cheap for an extremely talented CB like Bastos who has proven to be a very calm defender with excellent interception skills. It's always surprised me just how good he is at intercepting the ball without jumping into reckless fouls.
I agree. LOL.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: dinhochester on July 04, 2018, 03:48:08 AM
Ronaldo to Juventus?
For 30 mil a season, is it enough to pay the salary of entire Lazio squad?
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 04, 2018, 06:00:47 AM
21mil a year salary at Real and will be 34 after newyear. 
I'm very fine with Juve spending a lot of money on him.    :twinkle:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: dinhochester on July 04, 2018, 08:51:37 AM
Who is this Proto guy?
Anyone have watched him?
Is he any good?
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: stefano_40 on July 04, 2018, 09:04:58 AM
Who is this Proto guy?
Anyone have watched him?
Is he any good?

35 years old, few caps for Belgium NT coming in as Strakosha's new backup. Seems like he was a regular for Anderlecht for at least a few seasons.

Doesn't appear to be much of an upgrade from Vargic. Not sure I get this one, but I imagine that minimal money has been spent on him so it's not too big of a deal.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: dinhochester on July 04, 2018, 09:10:20 AM
Hmm, we should sign someone that challenge Strakosha not to be another Vargic, shouldnt we?
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 04, 2018, 09:13:50 AM
Silvio Proto was playing in the Champions League last season. He's not another Vargic - he has had an entirely more successful career, and is much more experienced at the level we aspire to.

Whether he's actually better than Vargic or satisfies Lazio supporters is another matter, but I'm certainly more comfortable seeing him play 10-15 games next season than I would be with Vargic.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: dinhochester on July 04, 2018, 09:55:10 AM
Is he a calm and commanding keeper?
I dont know with Strakosha I feel that he is very nervous and his nervousness affect the defense in front of him. And Strakosha rarely command the defense also.
Perhaps is he anti Strakosha?
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: drazvan on July 04, 2018, 02:57:14 PM
Is he a calm and commanding keeper?

He is as calm as Bastos in defense  :fingerup:

Joke apart, we needed an experienced backup. I don't know where it went wrong with Vargic - he also had NT caps, he seemed solid on paper. But this guy looks experienced enough to me, I think that he will be ok for the role. He is basically like Marchetti but then not insane.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Silindeee on July 04, 2018, 03:14:23 PM
Silvio Proto did really well with Olympiacos. A friend of mine,olympiacos fan, told me he is the best keeper they had in recent years and they are dissapointed he left .
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Harmi1985 on July 04, 2018, 03:37:30 PM
Did Vargic actually play any games? Especially enough for him to be deemed rubbish?
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: drazvan on July 04, 2018, 03:43:35 PM
Did Vargic actually play any games? Especially enough for him to be deemed rubbish?
Yes and yes!
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Harmi1985 on July 04, 2018, 03:50:28 PM
I seriously cant remember him man, god how i wish we had someone like Luca Marchegiani in goal
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 04, 2018, 04:23:20 PM
I've seen Proto's entire career.  He's no Vargic, and used to pressure.  No big talent, but smart enough in to anticipate situations.  He's a free transfer replacing Vargic, so what's not to like.  Strakosha is going to play 90% of the season anyway.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: lazioserbia on July 04, 2018, 04:28:06 PM
Looks like Hitman a bit. Anyway, he's OK. A solid goalkeeper to have on the bench.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: dinhochester on July 04, 2018, 04:35:00 PM
Hope he can compete with Strakosha.
Strakosha didnt got competition last year is one reason we concede so much.
Am I hoping too much on this new guy?
How much is this transfer? Must be cheap Lotito as usual.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: lazioserbia on July 04, 2018, 04:36:38 PM
Hope he can compete with Strakosha.
Strakosha didnt got competition last year is one reason we concede so much.
Am I hoping too much on this new guy?
How much is this transfer? Must be cheap ala Lotito.

It's free, Lotito special  :razz:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: SNHW on July 04, 2018, 04:41:55 PM
Lotito set to sit down with Felipe Anderson and discuss a new contract amidst rumours linking him to Valencia and Monaco - whilst West Ham turn their attention to Carlos Vela; signifying they are out of the race.

https://thelaziali.com/2018/07/04/report-lazio-felipe-anderson-contract/
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 04, 2018, 07:54:10 PM
Seems we're getting lotitoed by Sassuolo who's refusing to budge despite the player clearly being keen to move to Lazio.

Apparently we're looking at Badstuber as an alternative..
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 04, 2018, 08:00:02 PM
Seems we're getting lotitoed by Sassuolo who's refusing to budge despite the player clearly being keen to move to Lazio.

Apparently we're looking at Badstuber as an alternative..

Acerbi will arrive here.  He wants Lazio and we want him.  Both clubs will go back and forth some more before it's over.
Lotito has got the situation he wants as Acerbi is already forcing a move himself.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Akha on July 04, 2018, 09:33:02 PM
I know I'm the first one to say 'bring more Italian blood' but suddenly I don't get the feeling that Acerbi is the man we need. Cathal brought up a good point that this guy failed at Milan, what makes us think he will succeed here? Not that I've been following Sassuolo regularly but he never really attracted my attention when we played against them or in any other matches I remember.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 04, 2018, 10:12:16 PM
Paying 15 million for Acerbi is bit excessive...

Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: drazvan on July 04, 2018, 11:02:47 PM
Paying 15 million for Acerbi is bit excessive...

Well if Bastos is valued by Lotito at 15 mil, I dont see why Acerbi would be worth less...

But true, seems rather excesive because they know we want him.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 04, 2018, 11:24:37 PM
Paying 15 million for Acerbi is bit excessive...

Well if Bastos is valued by Lotito at 15 mil, I dont see why Acerbi would be worth less...

But true, seems rather excesive because they know we want him.

It's why they keep trying to get more.  They now very well that out of Serie A he's to only CB we can get for that position who is good enough and willing to join Lazio. It's that simple.

Plus getting him adds a homegrown Italian to our roster.  That alone is worth extra.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 05, 2018, 01:11:20 AM
Slow rumour starting here that Tare is again looking in Belgium.
25y old leftfooted defender Konstantinos Laifis from Standard Liège.

Plays LCB, CB, LB, DM.  Very similar positional profile as Badstuber and Senesi.
4mil value, purchasable for 5 or 6 possibly.

An calm defender that leads the backline with focus and accuracy.
Genoa, Crotone and Verona tried to lure him last mercato (confirmed), but that didn't work out as he was deemed unreplacable at Standard.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 05, 2018, 02:05:01 AM
More news saying we’ve given up on Acerbi due to sassuolo raising the price and that we’re looking at alternatives. Dede being mentioned, but I imagine that’s just speculation.

I think the deal is dead and I don’t mind that. We shouldn’t pay some obscene amount for a 30 year old CB.

Edit: for the love of god. Don’t buy more unproven CBs, just don’t. Please get someone who’s established themselves in one of the top leagues and even better someone with experience in European football. Last season our defence was in shambles with everyone one of them looking like a bunch of schoolboys being asked to defend against Real Madrid. What we need is one or two CBs to come in and keep this defence calm.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 05, 2018, 02:47:23 AM
More news saying we’ve given up on Acerbi due to sassuolo raising the price and that we’re looking at alternatives. Dede being mentioned, but I imagine that’s just speculation.

I think the deal is dead and I don’t mind that. We shouldn’t pay some obscene amount for a 30 year old CB.

Edit: for the love of god. Don’t buy more unproven CBs, just don’t. Please get someone who’s established themselves in one of the top leagues and even better someone with experience in European football. Last season our defence was in shambles with everyone one of them looking like a bunch of schoolboys being asked to defend against Real Madrid. What we need is one or two CBs to come in and keep this defence calm.

Don't think the deal is dead, neither is Felipe's to West Ham.  Lotito is just doing his thing and most likely in the end getting WH to meet his demands and signing Acerbi for less then Sassuolo want.  That's what i would probably bet on now.

The main thing is Acerbi probably wants to run towards Rome, so if it collapses Sassuolo doesn't get the money and a lead CB starting the new season frustrated.  And Felipe is incredible wanted by WH fans.  Their club follows social media closely and sees them getting more and more irretated each day.  Since they are contacting Santos it seems now as well showes how bad they want him. 

Lotito can afford to play it tough.  With Badstuber or maybe others he can go abroad if needed, but probably isn't hoping to do so and concerning Felipe he could aim to let him sign a new deal. 

Sassuolo knows Acerbi is first choice but should know Lotito will never be squized out for more then needed.  And having both Felipe and Alberto leaves us with better cards to go for CL again.

Felipe, Berisha, Durmisi, Proto, 'Wesley?', ready on the bench.  This could endup being the best bench under Lotito ever.  And we really know and experienced how important that could end up being.  :twinkle:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 05, 2018, 07:23:58 AM
Yeah, I think we've made our last offer for Acerbi and so some outlets decided to jump the gun and say it was a done deal and others now deciding after waiting a while to make out it's all over.

The reality is that Sassuolo's season starts tomorrow and ours starts in 10 days time so we've a period of time now where we can afford to wait while the Acerbi situation is about to become a real issue for Sassuolo.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: dinhochester on July 05, 2018, 08:12:27 AM
Who is the most expensive purchase under Lotito? I dont think we will go more than 10 million, preferably free Lotito style.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: dinhochester on July 05, 2018, 08:15:57 AM
Hope he can compete with Strakosha.
Strakosha didnt got competition last year is one reason we concede so much.
Am I hoping too much on this new guy?
How much is this transfer? Must be cheap ala Lotito.

It's free, Lotito special  :razz:
No wonder  :razz:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Stefano6 on July 05, 2018, 08:57:30 AM
In todays market €15m for an high quality CB with experience in the league is not "obscene amounts".

I would much rather spend €15m on Acerbi than €10m on someone ive never heard of from abroad, who may or may not be good but certainly doesnt know the league, the language, the opponenets, etc. If we manage to get €15m from Wolves for Bastos, I will be very pleased, selling a liability like him for good money. Essentially swapping Bastos for Acerbi, great business.

I dont think the Acerbi deal is dead, Sassuolo are holding out as long as they can because they know we want him thats all. I wouldnt be surprised if these media stories linking us with other players or saying Tare is looking elsewhere is just smoke and mirrors to show them that he is not our only option.

Badstuber wont come, he will have offers in Germany where he can earn more, maybe even from a CL team.


I think Felipe to West Ham is probably dead, but its not like West Ham are the only team in the world, I dont expect to see him in our shirt next season.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Dakiller961 on July 05, 2018, 09:12:04 AM
15M for a 31 Year old average+ defender is abscene money. we need to understand that the a 31 yo defender will hold no to little value in  y4ears. along with a 1.5M salary/Year, he would cost us for about 5.25Mil/year and after that sold at 0$

i would then rather buy a 30M+ rated 25YO defender, pay him 4 to 5 M/Y and then sell him at the same price if not more. he would cost me the same per year
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 05, 2018, 09:16:44 AM
Acerbi already failed at one 'big' club. Nothing from his career indicates he's good enough or high quality player to take Lazio further and paying 15 million for somebody like him is plain and simple stupid. Obviously Tare understands that.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Dakiller961 on July 05, 2018, 09:19:09 AM
It would be plain stupid to sell Felipe Anderson for less than 45 mil and tare knows this.

looking back at last year, which half of it was injured, he still had a great second half with some super goals and assists. he is worth minimum 45 if not more. I would love to keep him
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 05, 2018, 09:22:01 AM
15M for a 31 Year old average+ defender is abscene money. we need to understand that the a 31 yo defender will hold no to little value in  y4ears. along with a 1.5M salary/Year, he would cost us for about 5.25Mil/year and after that sold at 0$

But the transfer fee is not 15 million and his salary is not 1.5.

Acerbi is set to earn 3 million less per season at Lazio than de Vrij is at Inter. Another way of looking at it is that we're essentially putting the salary we would've had to pay to keep de Vrij for 3 years into paying Sassuolo to have Acerbi for 4-5 years.

When you look at it like that...
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Dakiller961 on July 05, 2018, 09:49:44 AM
15M for a 31 Year old average+ defender is abscene money. we need to understand that the a 31 yo defender will hold no to little value in  y4ears. along with a 1.5M salary/Year, he would cost us for about 5.25Mil/year and after that sold at 0$

But the transfer fee is not 15 million and his salary is not 1.5.

Acerbi is set to earn 3 million less per season at Lazio than de Vrij is at Inter. Another way of looking at it is that we're essentially putting the salary we would've had to pay to keep de Vrij for 3 years into paying Sassuolo to have Acerbi for 4-5 years.

When you look at it like that...

Why would I look at it like that. with this analysis, I would have gone with giving De vrij then 4 mil

and this is my point that paying the reported amounts with the reported salary to a 31 YO average+ player with zero resale value in 4 years does not make sense to anyone
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Stefano6 on July 05, 2018, 09:49:49 AM
Also, not all players are brought in solely for their resale value. Did we get anything for Dias? Or Biava? No, but they were probably the best CBs weve had since Nesta.
Hell we got nothing for De Vrij either.

If paying €15m (at most, more likely €10 + Cataldi or a similar agreement) and €1m or so in salary, gets us a player like Acerbi for the next 4 seasons, then im all up for that.

Whats the alternative? Bastos? Unknown Player #7 from whothe****knows? Some inexperienced kid who is another gamble, but its cool cos he was cheap?


We lost our best CB last season and our defense was a massive issue all year. Now is the time to spend a little more and sort that problem out. From what is available, Acerbi is the best bet. Badstuber would be great but its not gonna happen.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: drazvan on July 05, 2018, 09:51:08 AM
Problem is that we do not have a real alternative. Media needs to seriously start linking us to another defender and you will see Sassuolo coming running to Lotito. At the moment (from serious rumors perspective) it looks like we are all in for Acerbi.

And by the way our max offer is 10 + 2 mil (not 15).
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 05, 2018, 10:20:19 AM
Why would I look at it like that. with this analysis, I would have gone with giving De vrij then 4 mil

Obviously you aren't going to go with that analysis when you've put forward your own analysis and called it 'obscene money'.

But if the club genuinely believe Acerbi is the solution to our defence - which has been an issue with de Vrij leading it for the past 4 seasons - then what you or I think with regards to re-sale value is immaterial.

If Acerbi single-handedly makes the difference between 4th and 5th next season, even 50 million euro for Acerbi is good business, because he's going to recoup much more for us in time.

And if you think the above is ridiculous, put it this way - where do you think Lazio could finish with Acerbi? And then where do you think we can finish with, for example, Dede?

That's why Acerbi is worth a lot of money to us.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: jovo on July 05, 2018, 10:22:59 AM
Problem is that we do not have a real alternative. Media needs to seriously start linking us to another defender and you will see Sassuolo coming running to Lotito. At the moment (from serious rumors perspective) it looks like we are all in for Acerbi.

I read yesterday that Milan wants to sell Musachio, a good target for us. Still young and in his best seasons in Spain was better than De vrij is now.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Dakiller961 on July 05, 2018, 10:39:09 AM
Obviously you aren't going to go with that analysis when you've put forward your own analysis and called it 'obscene money'.

But if the club genuinely believe Acerbi is the solution to our defence - which has been an issue with de Vrij leading it for the past 4 seasons - then what you or I think with regards to re-sale value is immaterial.

If Acerbi single-handedly makes the difference between 4th and 5th next season, even 50 million euro for Acerbi is good business, because he's going to recoup much more for us in time.

And if you think the above is ridiculous, put it this way - where do you think Lazio could finish with Acerbi? And then where do you think we can finish with, for example, Dede?

That's why Acerbi is worth a lot of money to us.

Well, if I remeber correctly, you had the same argument last year when we decided not to sell De vrij knowing he wont renew. saying the club believes he is the difference between CL and no CL . result was no CL and one of the worst defensive lines we had in years. if I recall also, he was the main culprit in both CL deciding games vs Leverkusen then Inter last year

I already stated the point that acerbi is average at most, this is a fact seing he plays in an average team that conceded a lot with him leading their defence, flopped at big clubs and his age is in the decline era. So I dont see him as the main difference that will get us to CL next year, and if anyone or the club think he is then I would be lost for words and amazed

when he would cost us about 5MIl/year I would go for a real difference maker then which would cost the same as I already stated

With or without Acerbi it wont make a difference next year. with a player like Romagnoli YES
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: blue-white on July 05, 2018, 10:39:48 AM
till 15 mill, bringing Acerbi would be ok. If the club want him, this price is ok...even if he is 30 years old.

But that doesn't change my opinion, that we should go for a second CB.

What annoys me is that Caceres is still playing at the WC - it would be interesting to see him in a full preseason training in Auronzo.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Stefano6 on July 05, 2018, 10:42:24 AM
Caceras is only playing 1 more game at the World Cup its fine!  :razz:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: blue-white on July 05, 2018, 10:47:29 AM
Caceras is only playing 1 more game at the World Cup its fine!  :razz:

and then....holidays... :vcool:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 05, 2018, 10:47:48 AM
Well, if I remeber correctly, you had the same argument last year when we decided not to sell De vrij knowing he wont renew. saying the club believes he is the difference between CL and no CL . result was no CL and one of the worst defensive lines we had in years. if I recall also, he was the main culprit in both CL deciding games vs Leverkusen then Inter last year

I already stated the point that acerbi is average at most, this is a fact seing he plays in an average team that conceded a lot with him leading their defence, flopped at big clubs and his age is in the decline era. So I dont see him as the main difference that will get us to CL next year, and if anyone or the club think he is then I would be lost for words and amazed

when he would cost us about 5MIl/year I would go for a real difference maker then which would cost the same as I already stated

With or without Acerbi it wont make a difference next year. with a player like Romagnoli YES

We lost out on Champions League on head-to-head. My argument as to why the club were prepared to let de Vrij walk for free was perfectly legitimate and I stand by it. As much as I have never been truly convinced that Stefan de Vrij is a world class centre-back, I can at least recognise that we wouldn't have been 10 minutes away from Champions League football if we had sold de Vrij for 14 million to Valencia last summer. It should be obvious to everyone now why the club did what they did there, more so than when I made the point 12 months or so ago.

You shouldn't be surprised if the club see Acerbi as the difference-maker, because I'd imagine there's a large number of Lazio supporters who would recognise (a) with the benefit of hindsight, Romagnoli was not signing for Lazio in a million years and (b) out of all 'realistic' options, Acerbi is clearly the pick of the bunch for many fans.

My subjective opinion is quite similar to yours - I wouldn't sign Acerbi for 10 million euro - but surely you can look at the situation objectively and understand why Lazio may be prepared to do so? As much as I disagree with the idea because I see it as a more high-risk signing than some are suggesting, I'm not scratching my head at the notion. It's obvious why he's that price and why Lazio are interested.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Dakiller961 on July 05, 2018, 10:50:42 AM
Also, not all players are brought in solely for their resale value. Did we get anything for Dias? Or Biava? No, but they were probably the best CBs weve had since Nesta.
Hell we got nothing for De Vrij either.

Yes But Dias or Biava did not cost us 5.25MIl approx per season wile they were here.
Don't get me wrong, my point is not that I am against getting a player with no resale value at the end
The point is since Acerbi wont have any resale value, add to that the reported transfer fee and salary, the average cost would be around 5.25Mil/Year ( for a Average player)
With the same cost per year I would splash 45mil on Romagnoli, pay him 3 mil/year, and sell him again in 5 years for at least the same amount. he would have costed me 3MIl/year or a bit more with some bonuses

Hope this clears it out
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 05, 2018, 10:51:58 AM
I would splash 45mil on Romagnoli, pay him 3 mil/year, and sell him again in 5 years for at least the same amount. he would have costed me 3MIl/year or a bit more with some bonuses

Hope this clears it out

It doesn't because you wouldn't do that because Romagnoli is not signing for you.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Dakiller961 on July 05, 2018, 10:52:43 AM
My subjective opinion is quite similar to yours - I wouldn't sign Acerbi for 10 million euro - but surely you can look at the situation objectively and understand why Lazio may be prepared to do so? As much as I disagree with the idea because I see it as a more high-risk signing than some are suggesting, I'm not scratching my head at the notion. It's obvious why he's that price and why Lazio are interested.

I think we agree then  :beer:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 05, 2018, 10:53:46 AM
I think we agree then  :beer:

 :razz:

Let's say you can't sign Romagnoli; who would you go for?
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Dakiller961 on July 05, 2018, 10:54:29 AM

It doesn't because you wouldn't do that because Romagnoli is not signing for you.

It is just a hypothesis, but for the sake of arguing, if we would be ready to splash the cash and the salary, why wouldn't he ? and the Math makes sense on a average cost/year calculation
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: SNHW on July 05, 2018, 11:03:02 AM
Morning news so far:

https://thelaziali.com/2018/07/05/report-konstantinos-laifis/  - full report on Lazio's interest in Konstantinos Laifis

https://thelaziali.com/2018/07/05/report-west-ham-to-ask-santos-for-discount-on-felipe-anderson/ - full report on West Ham begging Santos to lower their sell-on percentage to try and complete Anderson deal  :bravo: :fingerup: :sciarpa05:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Dakiller961 on July 05, 2018, 11:05:37 AM

Let's say you can't sign Romagnoli; who would you go for?

ok so let's forget the unrealistic dreams, if Acerbi is who we want, why not go for Ranochia ?cheaper option, more or less Same average player
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: drazvan on July 05, 2018, 11:07:53 AM
There is little sense in the news around Felipe - West Ham. If they wanted, the deal was completed by now. The offer must be very low (I suspect around 20-25 mil) and Lotito won't accept that. I would rather keep Felipe here for 2 extra years and lose him for free - he is a very useful sub and will have an impact on quite some games. Of course the main option would be to discuss with Felipe and try a renewal. But I don't think that we will get 40-45 mil from West Ham.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: SNHW on July 05, 2018, 11:09:37 AM
There is little sense in the news around Felipe - West Ham. If they wanted, the deal was completed by now. The offer must be very low (I suspect around 20-25 mil) and Lotito won't accept that. I would rather keep Felipe here for 2 extra years and lose him for free - he is a very useful sub and will have an impact on quite some games. Of course the main option would be to discuss with Felipe and try a renewal. But I don't think that we will get 40-45 mil from West Ham.

Suggestions are still that they want Lukaku too. I think it is naïve to think that if the deal was to be done, it would be completed by now. Transfers of this size and stature can take right up until the end of the transfer window - I wouldn't rule anything out till we hear something official.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Ghost of Felipe Anderson on July 05, 2018, 11:18:58 AM
I've never seen Acerbi as a solution for our defense until the rumours came up. Thought of him as a solid mid-table defender. In terms of Italian defenders that's unfortunately the best we can attract, hence the price tag.

De Vrij was a very good defender for us, but don't think he was the leader we needed at the back. Never saw much communication between him and whoever played next to him at RCB. Not much communication with Radu either, but such an experienced player doesn't need guidance like Luiz Felipe, Bastos or Wallace. I don't think Acerbi is above De Vrij as a pure defender. But maybe he can prove to be a better leader and better organizer of our back line.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: blue-white on July 05, 2018, 11:30:42 AM
No german media speaking about Badstuber and Lazio in the moment. So, this is pure fantasy for now.
As Stefano said - Badstuber will get offers from other clubs, but it's interesting that he still didn't sign for a new club...
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: randy_laziale on July 05, 2018, 11:32:46 AM
We sign Acerbi or not, we still need to buy another defender, preferably young one..

Sell Bastos abroad (don't want him to score against us, lol), keep Wallace, Felipe, Caceres, Radu..
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 05, 2018, 11:37:38 AM
ok so let's forget the unrealistic dreams, if Acerbi is who we want, why not go for Ranochia ?cheaper option, more or less Same average player

Ranocchia isn't as good as Acerbi. Not even close. If I was DS, I'd have gone for Romagnoli too, but I'm sure we did and soon found out it wasn't a goer. I'm struggling to think of better options than Acerbi. That's the problem.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Giolazio on July 05, 2018, 11:42:53 AM

It doesn't because you wouldn't do that because Romagnoli is not signing for you.

It is just a hypothesis, but for the sake of arguing, if we would be ready to splash the cash and the salary, why wouldn't he ? and the Math makes sense on a average cost/year calculation

Here's another hypothesis. We sign Romagnoli for 45mil and give him 3mil as you say. All of a sudden Luis Alberto asks for 3mil, Immobile asks for 3.5mil, SMS asks for 4mil. You see where I'm going?
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: dinhochester on July 05, 2018, 11:43:42 AM
Bastos has worked out so much recently. Please dont underestimate him.
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bknkh_oFWCe/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=2gnm8x1cslw5 (https://www.instagram.com/p/Bknkh_oFWCe/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=2gnm8x1cslw5)
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 05, 2018, 11:46:30 AM
Bastos has worked out so much recently. Please dont underestimate him.

That's going to make no difference whatsoever to the fact he struggles to read the game, which he basically admitted this week is his problem.

Please don't overestimate him.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: dinhochester on July 05, 2018, 12:00:15 PM
Bastos is the opposite of Patric as central defender.
Bastos is strong fast and aggressive but in term of positioning and covering a player is not good.
Patric is the opposite.
They should learn from each other.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 05, 2018, 12:14:36 PM
Bastos is the opposite of Patric as central defender.
Bastos is strong fast and aggressive but in term of positioning and covering a player is not good.
Patric is the opposite.
They should learn from each other.

Footballers are essentially problem-solving in real time and at least where I am, people are starting to call it 'Football IQ'. If you are an attacker, you're trying to work out the most efficient way to get the ball in the net and if you're a defender, you are having to make quick adjustments all the time to work out how best to stop the opposition putting the ball past your goalkeeper.

I suspect Patric has quite a high Football IQ and Bastos a relatively low football IQ. And to be clear, I'm not talking about their actual intelligence but their ability to 'read the game'.

I've no doubt you can improve your 'Football IQ', but some of it - a lot, probably - is natural. For example, they've basically tested Iniesta for this and found out he's a bit of genius. That's almost all natural. The guy isn't 'talented' in the sense that he's not exactly quick or strong or absolutely amazing with the ball at his feet. But his brain is operating on another level to his peers.

Bastos just seems to lack that ability. The guy is hugely 'talented' for a centre-back in the sense that he's big, strong, quick, decent with the ball at his feet etc. But in Italy, the top centre-backs have a high 'Football IQ' and that's why he's being found out at Lazio.

And while I think Patric has it, there's only so much the gym is going to do for his physical ability. He's not going to grow 10cm on an exercise bike in Formello.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: blue-white on July 05, 2018, 12:54:46 PM
Bastos is the opposite of Patric as central defender.
Bastos is strong fast and aggressive but in term of positioning and covering a player is not good.
Patric is the opposite.
They should learn from each other.

Footballers are essentially problem-solving in real time and at least where I am, people are starting to call it 'Football IQ'. If you are an attacker, you're trying to work out the most efficient way to get the ball in the net and if you're a defender, you are having to make quick adjustments all the time to work out how best to stop the opposition putting the ball past your goalkeeper.

I suspect Patric has quite a high Football IQ and Bastos a relatively low football IQ. And to be clear, I'm not talking about their actual intelligence but their ability to 'read the game'.

I've no doubt you can improve your 'Football IQ', but some of it - a lot, probably - is natural. For example, they've basically tested Iniesta for this and found out he's a bit of genius. That's almost all natural. The guy isn't 'talented' in the sense that he's not exactly quick or strong or absolutely amazing with the ball at his feet. But his brain is operating on another level to his peers.

Bastos just seems to lack that ability. The guy is hugely 'talented' for a centre-back in the sense that he's big, strong, quick, decent with the ball at his feet etc. But in Italy, the top centre-backs have a high 'Football IQ' and that's why he's being found out at Lazio.

And while I think Patric has it, there's only so much the gym is going to do for his physical ability. He's not going to grow 10cm on an exercise bike in Formello.

nothing more to add to this. sensational desription how football intelligence compared to talent is working.
SMS for example is reading games in a perfect way, especially for his age. Plus he is talented (not massive strong talented) and has the perfect body = great player.

back to CB - highest "football brain talented" CB was Nesta. Cannavaro was the better footballer, but Nesta had this something special....the talent to read the opponent in the best way.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 05, 2018, 02:13:23 PM
Been watching a lot of Lazio matches on Youtube this morning. Specifically matches from last season and this season.

There's a very clear pattern with our defenders and what you mentioned about IQ, Cathal. Most of them are strong, relatively quick and good in the air. But most of them also lack the one thing that would make them world class, anticipation and good decision making.

Even De Vrij who some people consider world class and one of the best in Serie A lacked this part of defending. We conceded many goals where De Vrij was not able to read the play and thus let a defender get past him or he completely messed up when marking a player.

I believe Biava was a better defender at 33 years old than De Vrij is at 26. You didn't see him pulling this stuff all the time and his ability to read the play before it happened also made a grunt like Dias a better defender.

Maybe I am wrong about Acerbi, maybe he can bring something we haven't had since Biava and maybe him being here will make defenders like Bastos or Wallace better.

I don't wish De Vrij any misfortune, in fact I don't give a shit about him since he left the club. He's just another ex Lazio player now, But you won't be able to convince me he can help Inter grow. I don't believe he's better than their two best CBs.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: blue-white on July 05, 2018, 02:32:33 PM
De Vrij had especially problems at low crosses. High crosses were not his big problem, but all until knee high was pure danger for him.
I remember goals by Higuain and Icardi, where players from the side made the crosses and Icardi and Higuain had their easy lives in the penalty area. De Vrij often let his opponent out of his eyes - looked extremly like an amateur.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Giolazio on July 05, 2018, 02:39:43 PM
Even De Vrij who some people consider world class and one of the best in Serie A lacked this part of defending. We conceded many goals where De Vrij was not able to read the play and thus let a defender get past him or he completely messed up when marking a player.

Yeah I was saying this a lot last season. For sure he was our best defender but I thought he was vastly overrated and his leadership skills are close to zero. I'm not disappointed to see him leave, just disappointed we got no money for him.


The man in the middle needs this high 'IQ'. He is the one that should be seeing the line, organising and making the key tackles. De Vrij didn't really do any of that. Plus it doesn't help we have a very inexperienced keeper behind them. He should be organising from the absolute base of the pitch.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Ghost of Felipe Anderson on July 05, 2018, 03:02:57 PM
Been watching a lot of Lazio matches on Youtube this morning. Specifically matches from last season and this season.

There's a very clear pattern with our defenders and what you mentioned about IQ, Cathal. Most of them are strong, relatively quick and good in the air. But most of them also lack the one thing that would make them world class, anticipation and good decision making.

Even De Vrij who some people consider world class and one of the best in Serie A lacked this part of defending. We conceded many goals where De Vrij was not able to read the play and thus let a defender get past him or he completely messed up when marking a player.

I believe Biava was a better defender at 33 years old than De Vrij is at 26. You didn't see him pulling this stuff all the time and his ability to read the play before it happened also made a grunt like Dias a better defender.

Maybe I am wrong about Acerbi, maybe he can bring something we haven't had since Biava and maybe him being here will make defenders like Bastos or Wallace better.

I don't wish De Vrij any misfortune, in fact I don't give a shit about him since he left the club. He's just another ex Lazio player now, But you won't be able to convince me he can help Inter grow. I don't believe he's better than their two best CBs.
+1

De Vrij was very good for us but he was far from perfect. Too many mental and positioning errors just like you said. At 26 that's a side of his game which he can still improve (hopefully not hehe). I always thought he'd be a better fit at RCB in the mold of Barzagli, but his knees being shaky and him losing mobility didn't help. Long story made short, he played well for us but didn't guide the players alongside him.

Maybe Acerbi can organize the whole defense better. From a skill and size standpoint he looks similar to De Vrij. But the mental aspect? Can't judge since I haven't seen him play regularly. He is older than De Vrij but both have been playing regular Serie A football for about the same time. You could argue that De Vrij, despite being younger, has more experience than Acerbi, counting international experience.

Just hope we find a setup in defense that doesn't make it so easy for opponents to beat us. In some games this season our defense looked like static training cones. Can't happen again if we want a top 4 finish!
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: valdanito on July 05, 2018, 03:25:03 PM
Did i read Rannochia somewhere around here? PLESE DONT GIVE TARE IDEAS LIKE THIS! I'm sure he reads the forum!

Id rather play anyone fromthe forum than him/.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: blue-white on July 05, 2018, 03:37:29 PM
Id rather play anyone fromthe forum than him/.

time to book the flight... :vcool:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: birulangit on July 05, 2018, 04:23:17 PM
last season inter fans are trying to get rid of rannochia.
but this season he was playing quite well.
spaletti even gave him a praise.

he was a good defender. maybe he isnt used properly.
or he found himself last season.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: valdanito on July 05, 2018, 04:43:12 PM
I don't really think Ranochia was good at all. When Inter hit bad  form, I believe it coincided with Ranochia having to start games. I could be wrong.

Anyhow, never been a fan. Hes clumsy, slow and prone to injuries and mistakes.For every good day he has 7 bad.

 I like Acerbi 10* more, but that is just a personal choice. .
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Harmi1985 on July 05, 2018, 05:06:10 PM
Reports in Italy say that Ronaldo is going to sign for Juventus for 100 million, to think that they only offered us around 80 million for Milinkovic Savic!!
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 05, 2018, 05:13:19 PM
Been watching a lot of Lazio matches on Youtube this morning. Specifically matches from last season and this season.

There's a very clear pattern with our defenders and what you mentioned about IQ, Cathal. Most of them are strong, relatively quick and good in the air. But most of them also lack the one thing that would make them world class, anticipation and good decision making.

Even De Vrij who some people consider world class and one of the best in Serie A lacked this part of defending. We conceded many goals where De Vrij was not able to read the play and thus let a defender get past him or he completely messed up when marking a player.

I believe Biava was a better defender at 33 years old than De Vrij is at 26. You didn't see him pulling this stuff all the time and his ability to read the play before it happened also made a grunt like Dias a better defender.

Maybe I am wrong about Acerbi, maybe he can bring something we haven't had since Biava and maybe him being here will make defenders like Bastos or Wallace better.

I don't wish De Vrij any misfortune, in fact I don't give a shit about him since he left the club. He's just another ex Lazio player now, But you won't be able to convince me he can help Inter grow. I don't believe he's better than their two best CBs.

That's been somewhat my opinion on DV since his first season here.  He's not a leader, was too soft and lacked certain basic defending abilities.

If Acerbi would perform here like he did before (i say if, that's no certainty) then Lazio's defence will be different even if he's the only new CB.  I dare to suggest that with Acerbi on De Vrij's spot in last season crucial games we'd be in the CL now. 

He's a must sign.  Of course Lotito is trying to go cheaper. But in the paying 2mill extra to revive our defence that way is peanuts, even for Lazio.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 05, 2018, 05:15:02 PM
Reports in Italy say that Ronaldo is going to sign for Juventus for 100 million, to think that they only offered us around 80 million for Milinkovic Savic!!

They would earn half back in merchandising in days.  Juve Ronaldo shirts would fly out the door all over the world.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: birulangit on July 05, 2018, 05:18:03 PM
to think that sms is worth more than cr  :beer: :beer:

Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Akha on July 05, 2018, 05:23:49 PM
Juve's market value went up since they've been linked with Ronaldo, that's an opportunity they cannot simply wave at as it passes by. But I'm on the fence tbh - is it that Juve finally wants to conquest the CL or Cristiano just grew tired of winning it  :whistle: ?
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 05, 2018, 07:00:48 PM
Tactic is working it seems, Sassuolo already using the media to still motivate Lazio to further negotiate.
No surprise, Acerbi let them know het wants to join.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: stefano_40 on July 05, 2018, 07:02:50 PM
Juve's market value went up since they've been linked with Ronaldo, that's an opportunity they cannot simply wave at as it passes by. But I'm on the fence tbh - is it that Juve finally wants to conquest the CL or Cristiano just grew tired of winning it  :whistle: ?

Well if you think about it, Ronaldo is basically the reason that Juve haven't won CL the past two seasons. In the final two years ago, Ronaldo was the  difference. In the quarter finals this year, again Ronaldo was the difference.

If you pick Ronaldo up out of the Real Madrid team and place him in the Juve team, Juve win both ties 4 times out of 5 in my opinion. I think in terms of squad depth, Juve are head and shoulders above anybody else in Europe. They are just missing a difference maker like Ronaldo. Higuain is not that player, Dybala is on his way to becoming that player.

This deal actually could be lucrative for Serie A in general if it becomes a thing. Everybody wants to see CR7 play, Serie A TV rights become more valuable, Serie A gains international appeal etc etc. It's a deal that I really hope happens.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 05, 2018, 07:05:20 PM
Google translate:

"Meanwhile, during the press conference to present Roberto De Zerbi, the words of the CEO Giovanni Carnevali came to keep the deal alive: "With Lazio, knowing President Lotito, every negotiation is complicated and difficult. tried in every way to meet the demands of Acerbi, we have lowered our claims twice .. I think there is a small difference, this must be filled if Lazio really has the desire to have such an important player. It is crucial for us, and we would like to hold it back even if we know it is not possible, but we can not give in to offers that we do not consider congruous.It is a question of fair balance on the part of everyone. Absolutely unripe, otherwise we will have to do one reason, I think that playing in Sassuolo should be a beautiful thing for everyone ".

Just sign him. If the difference is 1 or 2 million euros better to sign him than risk pissing off Sassuolo so much they are like nope and hold onto their player. They have every right to shut off negotiations and I don't think that sum of money is worth pissing off another club that then won't negotiate with us.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 05, 2018, 07:40:44 PM
Club Brugge's new striker arrived today.  But Wesley is still training with the team.  Just some info.

source voetbal24; Brugge told Lazio the price remains 15mil while having offered 11mil.
Thesame source claims Caicedo is on his way to Leeds.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 05, 2018, 08:42:24 PM
Di Marzio & Sky sports claim Lazio would attempt to swoop in for Milan's Gustavo Gomez before a possible deal sending him to Boca Juniors.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Secret_Samadhi on July 05, 2018, 09:20:37 PM
How about Pontus Jansson, a Sweden NT player, currently at Leeds United. He played for Torino before moving to Midlands. Here is one suggestion for you Mr. Tare if you are reading this.  :smile:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 05, 2018, 09:33:31 PM
Di Marzio & Sky sports claim Lazio would attempt to swoop in for Milan's Gustavo Gomez before a possible deal sending him to Boca Juniors.

I hope not.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 05, 2018, 09:45:16 PM
Di Marzio & Sky sports claim Lazio would attempt to swoop in for Milan's Gustavo Gomez before a possible deal sending him to Boca Juniors.

I hope not.

They claim he would be an option in case one of Wallace or Bastos is sold but i'm not buying that.  That still leaves one of them + Luiz Felipe for RCB.  And Gomez to replace De Vrij can't be an option.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Eaton_swfc on July 05, 2018, 10:58:02 PM
How about Pontus Jansson, a Sweden NT player, currently at Leeds United. He played for Torino before moving to Midlands. Here is one suggestion for you Mr. Tare if you are reading this.  :smile:

A poor one dimensional centre half in my opinion. Plenty better options out there for less money .

Also couldn't see Bielsa wanting to sell to Lazio!
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 06, 2018, 12:04:34 PM
source claims Caicedo is on his way to Leeds.

This is actually funny. Someone wrote an article a couple of weeks ago suggesting Caicedo would be a good signing for Leeds. Then a week later in Spain, it was claimed that IF Leeds were interested in Caicedo, Felipe would consider the move. Then in Italy, this was translated as Leeds are interested in Caicedo. Recently, Caicedo posted a tweet that translates as 'crazier than ever' and now the media are claiming this is a veiled reference to Bielsa being 'El Loco'.

Shows you how the media works. Giving an opinion on what a team should do in the market is being reported these days as team wanting to sign the player.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Stefano6 on July 06, 2018, 01:37:24 PM
Also shows the danger of all these fan sites who write opinion articles, or mistranslate rumour news from elsewhere, it gets misinterpreted and picked up by other fan sites and so on and it spreads quickly.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Caput Mundi on July 06, 2018, 01:49:48 PM
source claims Caicedo is on his way to Leeds.

This is actually funny. Someone wrote an article a couple of weeks ago suggesting Caicedo would be a good signing for Leeds. Then a week later in Spain, it was claimed that IF Leeds were interested in Caicedo, Felipe would consider the move. Then in Italy, this was translated as Leeds are interested in Caicedo. Recently, Caicedo posted a tweet that translates as 'crazier than ever' and now the media are claiming this is a veiled reference to Bielsa being 'El Loco'.

Shows you how the media works. Giving an opinion on what a team should do in the market is being reported these days as team wanting to sign the player.

It's not how "the media" works. It's how the rubbish rumour-mongers work. Admittedly they are taking up a greater proportion of the sports media these days but I'd object to them being called journalists or referred to as if they are representative of the media.

Sorry, just a rant. :razz:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 06, 2018, 02:03:54 PM
Ok, I'll go with 'rubbish rumour-mongers' in future. Media was just a bit quicker to type  :razz:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 06, 2018, 04:35:14 PM
Di Marzio says that Lazio and Sassuolo negotiate bonuses and deal could be sealed until end of day.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: SNHW on July 06, 2018, 04:38:29 PM
Jordan Lukaku has, according to Il Messaggero, been left out of the squad for Auronzo; whilst Felipe Anderson has been included. Indication that maybe Lukaku will be on the move?

https://thelaziali.com/2018/07/06/auronzo-shock-lukaku-anderson/
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 06, 2018, 05:10:45 PM
Di Marzio and Gazzetta di Modena saying it's done deal for Acerbi. 11,5 million to Sassuolo and five years deal for Acerbi.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: SNHW on July 06, 2018, 05:12:37 PM
Acerbi deal finally wrapped up. Expect an announcement within the next day or so!

Now it is time for us to focus on finding the real replacement for De Vrij, now that we have the player we should have had alongside him last season...

https://thelaziali.com/2018/07/06/report-acerbi-negotiations-progressing-the-deal-finally-seems-to-be-unblocked/

Here is our scout piece on Acerbi, featuring everything you need to know;

https://thelaziali.com/2018/06/26/scout-sassuolos-francesco-acerbi/
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: inhocsignovinces on July 06, 2018, 05:42:41 PM
source claims Caicedo is on his way to Leeds.

This is actually funny. Someone wrote an article a couple of weeks ago suggesting Caicedo would be a good signing for Leeds. Then a week later in Spain, it was claimed that IF Leeds were interested in Caicedo, Felipe would consider the move. Then in Italy, this was translated as Leeds are interested in Caicedo. Recently, Caicedo posted a tweet that translates as 'crazier than ever' and now the media are claiming this is a veiled reference to Bielsa being 'El Loco'.

Shows you how the media works. Giving an opinion on what a team should do in the market is being reported these days as team wanting to sign the player.

Every year this boggles my mind. In any given American sport, if a rumor comes out, there is likely some truth to it. But in Europe, it's the exact opposite. I just try to avoid reading anything so I don't get my hopes up for our squad.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: campiador on July 06, 2018, 06:01:15 PM
Nice. Acerbi atm is an improvement over DV. (not considering potential and economics of course) So right now, our squad is better than last year IMO.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 06, 2018, 06:13:13 PM
Signing Acerbi is good, I am happy with that especially are considering what the defence actually needs compared to what would be fun to sign.

But please do tell me we're going to sign another CB and let either Bastos or Wallace go.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Giolazio on July 06, 2018, 06:20:58 PM
Signing Acerbi is good, I am happy with that especially are considering what the defence actually needs compared to what would be fun to sign.

But please do tell me we're going to sign another CB and let either Bastos or Wallace go.

I think it depends on Ramos at Auronzo. Or if we sell Bastos or Wallace we will replace them, but the offers have to come first I guess. I would say as of today, our defence is complete in Lazio's eyes.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 06, 2018, 06:40:02 PM
Signing Acerbi is good, I am happy with that especially are considering what the defence actually needs compared to what would be fun to sign.

But please do tell me we're going to sign another CB and let either Bastos or Wallace go.

I think it depends on Ramos at Auronzo. Or if we sell Bastos or Wallace we will replace them, but the offers have to come first I guess. I would say as of today, our defence is complete in Lazio's eyes.

That's how the club will see it.  After Acerbi no pressure to sign further unless Wallace or Bastos get decent offers.
Lotito always wants 2 options per position, that's his view clearly.
If one gets sold we will probably get a replacement.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 06, 2018, 06:53:14 PM
Word in the Belgium press is that Lazio isn't raising the offer towards 15mil but would include bonusses together with an 11mil cash offer.  That Lazio is assuming the player will force the deal the rest of the way and keep pushing together with his agent.

The difference with the Acerbi matter is Wesley did take his medical and is in the group training at summercamp.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: jovo on July 06, 2018, 07:14:42 PM
Signing Acerbi is good, I am happy with that especially are considering what the defence actually needs compared to what would be fun to sign.

But please do tell me we're going to sign another CB and let either Bastos or Wallace go.

I think it depends on Ramos at Auronzo. Or if we sell Bastos or Wallace we will replace them, but the offers have to come first I guess. I would say as of today, our defence is complete in Lazio's eyes.
Dont get me wrong, but if we want CL football we can not relay only on the young Ramos. The defence with Acerbi included is far from top 4 places.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: LazioKosovo on July 06, 2018, 07:18:21 PM
Word in the Belgium press is that Lazio isn't raising the offer towards 15mil but would include bonusses together with an 11mil cash offer.  That Lazio is assuming the player will force the deal the rest of the way and keep pushing together with his agent.

The difference with the Acerbi matter is Wesley did take his medical and is in the group training at summercamp.

I would not be surprised if the Wesley thing collapse after all. There is a huge difference between sides (around 25-30% of total amount) and it seems that player is "not crazy" about Lazio as Acerbi is.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 06, 2018, 07:34:06 PM
Signing Acerbi is good, I am happy with that especially are considering what the defence actually needs compared to what would be fun to sign.

But please do tell me we're going to sign another CB and let either Bastos or Wallace go.

I think it depends on Ramos at Auronzo. Or if we sell Bastos or Wallace we will replace them, but the offers have to come first I guess. I would say as of today, our defence is complete in Lazio's eyes.
Dont get me wrong, but if we want CL football we can not relay only on the young Ramos. The defence with Acerbi included is far from top 4 places.

Depends how one rates Acerbi.  Imo his more of a leader and more focussed then De Vrij.  Less talented as a player but that doesn't matter in that position eventually.

And how Ramos develops.  We won't get a better defence then Juve, Milan or Inter no matter what we do this summer that should be obvious.  That's fantasy.

Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 06, 2018, 07:39:48 PM
If we sign Acerbi and Wesley in the next week, I honestly feel a lot of Lazio supporters have to start earing 15 years worth of words.

Because if we pull those deals off,  I'm not really sure what else Lotito could have done in the last 6 weeks or so to put this team in position for another Top 4 tilt in this window.

I'm totally convinced he's hellbent on making the Champions League. I don't know why, but he is.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 06, 2018, 07:51:30 PM
If we sign Acerbi and Wesley in the next week, I honestly feel a lot of Lazio supporters have to start earing 15 years worth of words.

Because if we pull those deals off,  I'm not really sure what else Lotito could have done in the last 6 weeks or so to put this team in position for another Top 4 tilt in this window.

I'm totally convinced he's hellbent on making the Champions League. I don't know why, but he is.

Bravo  :bravo:

Nothing, there's absolutely nothing he could do more for the roster, while keeping the finances healthy of course.
He could invest bigger probably but only with risks on several aspects.  And i applaud him for keeping things safe, even am thankfull. 

If Wesley and Acerbi both happen then i say i never expected such a mercato after missing the CL money.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 06, 2018, 08:00:51 PM
I like the fact he's working so fast on getting the players we seem to want. Still though I feel there's more work to be done. Not complaining, just voicing my opinion.

For me the rest of the things that he needs to work on are

- Basta needs to go and we need to have an alternative to Marusic on the right wing
- We need to sign a replacement for Caicedo. Is that Wesley? I'm not sure..
- If/when Felipe leaves then we also need to sign a replacement for him.
- Again the centre back situation is less than ideal. Signing Acerbi is a great start, but please don't tell me Inzaghi has to use Bastos again this season. He was completely useless last season and cost us many points.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 06, 2018, 08:24:31 PM
- Basta needs to go and we need to have an alternative to Marusic on the right wing
- We need to sign a replacement for Caicedo. Is that Wesley? I'm not sure..
- If/when Felipe leaves then we also need to sign a replacement for him.
- Again the centre back situation is less than ideal. Signing Acerbi is a great start, but please don't tell me Inzaghi has to use Bastos again this season. He was completely useless last season and cost us many points.

OK, but two of your four points are irrelevant because Caicedo and Anderson are still here. Probably three of four when you consider it's logical to hold off buying a wing-back when you have three options already at the position.

As for the other points, in an ideal world, yeah we'd improve in other areas.

But while our 6th choice centre-back is Wallace, Juventus' is a player they just signed from Serie B.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: campiador on July 06, 2018, 08:33:16 PM
Being a Laziale, I refrain from celebrating for Acerbi until I see him wearing the shirt in Rome.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Akha on July 06, 2018, 08:53:54 PM
Being a Laziale, I refrain from celebrating for Acerbi until I see him wearing the shirt in Rome.

 :beer:

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Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: valdanito on July 06, 2018, 11:06:15 PM
La Gazzetta claim Wolveramton have made an offer worth 20mill for Bastos.

SELL SELL SELL ......if true
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: LazioKosovo on July 06, 2018, 11:27:42 PM
La Gazzetta claim Wolveramton have made an offer worth 20mill for Bastos.

SELL SELL SELL ......if true

Yes and we have a former La Masia product. Former defensive midfielder now a transformed RB. 5 million and we are good.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 06, 2018, 11:29:33 PM
La Gazzetta claim Wolveramton have made an offer worth 20mill for Bastos.

SELL SELL SELL ......if true

Regarding source, appears that came from Birmingham based newspaper, so maybe, maybe... it's coming.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: jovo on July 06, 2018, 11:31:04 PM
If we sign Acerbi and Wesley in the next week, I honestly feel a lot of Lazio supporters have to start earing 15 years worth of words.

Because if we pull those deals off,  I'm not really sure what else Lotito could have done in the last 6 weeks or so to put this team in position for another Top 4 tilt in this window.

I'm totally convinced he's hellbent on making the Champions League. I don't know why, but he is.

Bravo  :bravo:

Nothing, there's absolutely nothing he could do more for the roster, while keeping the finances healthy of course.
He could invest bigger probably but only with risks on several aspects.  And i applaud him for keeping things safe, even am thankfull. 

If Wesley and Acerbi both happen then i say i never expected such a mercato after missing the CL money.
Please tell me why you rate wesley so high? He has an average stats. A lot of better ( on paper) players didnt made it in Italy. I see these transfer like a huge gamble and i am not optimistic at all. I hope i'm wrong on this one.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 06, 2018, 11:39:38 PM
If we sign Acerbi and Wesley in the next week, I honestly feel a lot of Lazio supporters have to start earing 15 years worth of words.

Because if we pull those deals off,  I'm not really sure what else Lotito could have done in the last 6 weeks or so to put this team in position for another Top 4 tilt in this window.

I'm totally convinced he's hellbent on making the Champions League. I don't know why, but he is.

Bravo  :bravo:

Nothing, there's absolutely nothing he could do more for the roster, while keeping the finances healthy of course.
He could invest bigger probably but only with risks on several aspects.  And i applaud him for keeping things safe, even am thankfull. 

If Wesley and Acerbi both happen then i say i never expected such a mercato after missing the CL money.
Please tell me why you rate wesley so high? He has an average stats. A lot of better ( on paper) players didnt made it in Italy. I see these transfer like a huge gamble and i am not optimistic at all. I hope i'm wrong on this one.

He's got better stats coming out of Belgium then Sergej did in his own position.  Forget stats, look at the talent that might come out of him.  It's always is a gamble, Felipe was a 9mil gamble also, look at other Brazilians in Europe now.  That Walace for 10mil to Hamburg, becoming a benchwarmer.

We can't fork over 25mil for Politano (as an example) so Tare has to look for promissing talents before they really peak.  If he'd waited a year longer for Sergej he would have never arrived.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 06, 2018, 11:53:14 PM
La Gazzetta claim Wolveramton have made an offer worth 20mill for Bastos.

SELL SELL SELL ......if true

The saints paid 16.5mil for Hoedt so why not.  Anything is possible in the PL.  :whistle:
Imagine Lotito pulling a thing like that of twice.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: jovo on July 06, 2018, 11:53:52 PM
If we sign Acerbi and Wesley in the next week, I honestly feel a lot of Lazio supporters have to start earing 15 years worth of words.

Because if we pull those deals off,  I'm not really sure what else Lotito could have done in the last 6 weeks or so to put this team in position for another Top 4 tilt in this window.

I'm totally convinced he's hellbent on making the Champions League. I don't know why, but he is.

Bravo  :bravo:

Nothing, there's absolutely nothing he could do more for the roster, while keeping the finances healthy of course.
He could invest bigger probably but only with risks on several aspects.  And i applaud him for keeping things safe, even am thankfull. 

If Wesley and Acerbi both happen then i say i never expected such a mercato after missing the CL money.
Please tell me why you rate wesley so high? He has an average stats. A lot of better ( on paper) players didnt made it in Italy. I see these transfer like a huge gamble and i am not optimistic at all. I hope i'm wrong on this one.

He's got better stats coming out of Belgium then Sergej did in his own position.  Forget stats, look at the talent that might come out of him.  It's always is a gamble, Felipe was a 9mil gamble also, look at other Brazilians in Europe now.  That Walace for 10mil to Hamburg, becoming a benchwarmer.

We can't fork over 25mil for Politano (as an example) so Tare has to look for promissing talents before they really peak.  If he'd waited a year longer for Sergej he would have never arrived.
His not even a regular in the last season. He has 7 goals and 2 asists this is averige for belgium, and we have to pay 12M for him. Sergej was more established than him and we had a little war with fiorentina to get him. I want to stick on the numbers and they are not good neither his stats nor the price which we will pay for him.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 07, 2018, 12:47:28 AM
If we sign Acerbi and Wesley in the next week, I honestly feel a lot of Lazio supporters have to start earing 15 years worth of words.

Because if we pull those deals off,  I'm not really sure what else Lotito could have done in the last 6 weeks or so to put this team in position for another Top 4 tilt in this window.

I'm totally convinced he's hellbent on making the Champions League. I don't know why, but he is.

Bravo  :bravo:

Nothing, there's absolutely nothing he could do more for the roster, while keeping the finances healthy of course.
He could invest bigger probably but only with risks on several aspects.  And i applaud him for keeping things safe, even am thankfull. 

If Wesley and Acerbi both happen then i say i never expected such a mercato after missing the CL money.
Please tell me why you rate wesley so high? He has an average stats. A lot of better ( on paper) players didnt made it in Italy. I see these transfer like a huge gamble and i am not optimistic at all. I hope i'm wrong on this one.

He's got better stats coming out of Belgium then Sergej did in his own position.  Forget stats, look at the talent that might come out of him.  It's always is a gamble, Felipe was a 9mil gamble also, look at other Brazilians in Europe now.  That Walace for 10mil to Hamburg, becoming a benchwarmer.

We can't fork over 25mil for Politano (as an example) so Tare has to look for promissing talents before they really peak.  If he'd waited a year longer for Sergej he would have never arrived.
His not even a regular in the last season. He has 7 goals and 2 asists this is averige for belgium, and we have to pay 12M for him. Sergej was more established than him and we had a little war with fiorentina to get him. I want to stick on the numbers and they are not good neither his stats nor the price which we will pay for him.

Sergej was known because the U21 WC with Serbia.  He was average as a DM playing for Genk. 
Wesley started the season as 5th choice striker while playing 352.  Very quickly he moved up becoming the first striker pick in the formation due to his impact.  Leaning on defences, making it easier for the attacking players around him.  He wasn't used as the deepest man.  Diaby and Vossen are those.  He had to make space for them.

He wasn't a starter at first because Leko began the season in a 343 with wide strikers.  It didn't work and they went out of Europe right away.  Just after a few games he turned to 352 and Wesley was in without returning to the bench for 90% of the season.  The system could only work with him.  Instead of a creative player behind a striker like at Lazio they used Wesley as 2nd striker to force things up front.  Holding the ball, winning duels or simply outmuscling the opponent.  Meanwhile giving a couple assists and a few very important goals.  To be exact 14 goals and 4 assists during last season, all competitions.  Not that bad for a 2nd striker position.  It's not Serie B.

There's much talent in him obviously.  He's still not there, as why we can still afford him.  10mil is fair considering being only 21 and having won silverware.  They don't have to sell, that's why it will endup costing more.

Was this what i wanted going into the mercato for our attack, hell no.  But i understand Tare's interest.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: blue_sky on July 07, 2018, 12:58:28 AM
comparing to Petagna and other Seri A striker with ages 21 years old, Wesley is more favorable.
For Acerbi, I hope we are solving our defense problem which is lack of leader at the back.
All in all, this mercato seems to me the best so far even if we will lose FA and Lukaku.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: dinhochester on July 07, 2018, 01:19:42 AM
Beteeen Bastos and Wallace, which one should we sell if we could sell one if let say both have interest at the same price?
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: randy_laziale on July 07, 2018, 02:04:34 AM
Beteeen Bastos and Wallace, which one should we sell if we could sell one if let say both have interest at the same price?

Definitely Bastos in my opinion
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: phantomm1976 on July 07, 2018, 02:59:45 AM
 Bastos,no dounts
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: blue-white on July 07, 2018, 09:24:50 AM
no, please,... Bastos have to stay here. such a great player who is the heart of this defense. Young, talented, perfect positioning playing... keep him at all costs!


...saying this in the hope that journalists reading my post and we get 25 mill. for him...
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: torsten on July 07, 2018, 10:04:21 AM
Bastos is quite young. Very young and very strong. You could see why teams in the PL would want to pay big money to get him.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 07, 2018, 10:38:37 AM
News about Kezman having met with Lotito and Tare..and telling them that Real Madrid is willing to bid 155 mill euros for Sergej.

I doubt it's true, but if it is we kinda have to sell for that kind of money... :wow:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: torsten on July 07, 2018, 10:59:25 AM
News about Kezman having met with Lotito and Tare..and telling them that Real Madrid is willing to bid 155 mill euros for Sergej.

I doubt it's true, but if it is we kinda have to sell for that kind of money... :wow:

Sure. But wouldn’t it make more sense for Real Madrid to buy someone like Mbappe or Neymar?
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: dinhochester on July 07, 2018, 11:01:41 AM
News about Kezman having met with Lotito and Tare..and telling them that Real Madrid is willing to bid 155 mill euros for Sergej.

I doubt it's true, but if it is we kinda have to sell for that kind of money... :wow:

Sure. But wouldn’t it make more sense for Real Madrid to buy someone like Mbappe or Neymar?
Those are actors not football players.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: SNHW on July 07, 2018, 11:05:47 AM
Wolves, newly promoted to the Premier League and working in close conjunction with Jorge Mendes, appear to be tabling a €20m bid for Bastos...

https://thelaziali.com/2018/07/07/report-wolves-bastos/

And, in case there were any doubts after his fairly impressive World Cup, Caceres will be signing on for another year!

https://thelaziali.com/2018/07/07/report-caceres-extends-contract-with-lazio/
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: torsten on July 07, 2018, 11:11:10 AM
News about Kezman having met with Lotito and Tare..and telling them that Real Madrid is willing to bid 155 mill euros for Sergej.

I doubt it's true, but if it is we kinda have to sell for that kind of money... :wow:

Sure. But wouldn’t it make more sense for Real Madrid to buy someone like Mbappe or Neymar?
Those are actors not football players.

Okey, what do you make of Cristiano Ronaldo? Actor or footballer?
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Biancocelesti on July 07, 2018, 11:32:14 AM
Imagine if we'd sell Bastos, Anderson and Lukaku for around €80m in total. That'd be awesome.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Bobbi on July 07, 2018, 12:42:36 PM
First of all, I am very glad and refreshingly surprised that Tare and Lotito are working to bring in new guys so early on in the summer. Usually we have to wait until the final 1-2 weeks before the mercato shuts before we see any proper movement. Bravo.

The Acerbi deal seems to be dragging on forever. I know that some outlets are reporting that a deal has been struck but until I see him presented in a Lazio jersey, anything can happen. I really hope for this deal to go through, Acerbi would be a big addition to the squad. He is not as talented as De Vrij but he is much more focused, confident, gives 100% every game and is a leader which we desperately lack in defence.

Ideally I would love for another defender to be signed but that is potentially a fantasy topic unless some one like Bastos or Wallace is sold. For me, if the Acerbi deal goes through then the main 3-4 central defensive players for us this coming season should be him, Caceres, Radu and Luiz Felipe. Its not even a question. As much as I like Bastos he has cost us too many points and isn't developing, and Wallace is much the same.

The RWB and LWB positions I am not too sure about. Bringing in Durmisi will surely help on the left with the ageing Lulic and with Lukaku seemingly on his way out, and on the right there is Marusic, Patric and Basta. Not the strongest but its fine for now. I don't know how likely or realistic it is for Sprocati and Berisha to be played in such positions.

As for Wesley, I don't know anything about this guy and up to 15 million for him seems a bit excessive. In saying that, transfer fees now are inflated and I understand he has a lot of potential so I can see the appeal. It would be interesting to see how he does for Lazio if the deal goes ahead, and hopefully that money will not be a waste.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Jiwa on July 07, 2018, 02:29:24 PM
I wonder why Tare didn’t go for Abel Hernandez? Perfect age, serie a experience, got speed like ciro, and free transfer. Him or wesley? If i was Tare, i’ll go for Abel.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Caput Mundi on July 07, 2018, 03:30:56 PM
I wonder why Tare didn’t go for Abel Hernandez? Perfect age, serie a experience, got speed like ciro, and free transfer. Him or wesley? If i was Tare, i’ll go for Abel.

If people got frustrated with Caicedo in front of goal, they'd get bloody ropable with Abel.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Emko on July 07, 2018, 04:53:18 PM
I think we should sell Anderson. I like him a lot, i think he can decide almost every game IF he wants, but he just seems like doesn't care that much...

Why we should sell him?

1)  I doubt Anderson will have the right attitude and motivation to fight for his place in the team if he stays. I mean Luis Alberto is Inzaghi's first choice as a partner to Ciro in the moment. This can change, but only if Anderson take his job seriously and with the right mentality and desrie.
2) So I doubt Anderson would want to stay on the bench for another year. And probably he wouldn't want to play as RWB.

Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: valdanito on July 07, 2018, 05:35:12 PM
Who is Wesley's agent?

EDIT: Or the agent working on the Wesley deal.

What I am getting at is that Kezman is working the deal, why does the press jump to the conclusion LoTare and him were talking about SMS and not Wesley?

I thinks SMS to RM make 0 sense right now.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 07, 2018, 05:54:29 PM
Who is Wesley's agent?

EDIT: Or the agent working on the Wesley deal.

What I am getting at is that Kezman is working the deal, why does the press jump to the conclusion LoTare and him were talking about SMS and not Wesley?

I thinks SMS to RM make 0 sense right now.

Sell news better than Wesley move.

Anyway, voice is that Tare is also after Stefano Denswil, Wesley's teammate from Brugge, Dutch center back.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 07, 2018, 05:57:19 PM
Who is Wesley's agent?

EDIT: Or the agent working on the Wesley deal.

What I am getting at is that Kezman is working the deal, why does the press jump to the conclusion LoTare and him were talking about SMS and not Wesley?

I thinks SMS to RM make 0 sense right now.

Paulo Nemhy is his agent.  He brought him to Europe and they seem very close.  He's always involved in private affairs as well since the player started having kids at the age of 16.  :twinkle:

It's claimed Kezman was sent to help out but that's not confirmed here.

Wesley is actually in no hurry but Nemhy advises him to move now.  Money money ...
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 07, 2018, 06:06:15 PM
Anyway, voice is that Tare is also after Stefano Denswil, Wesley's teammate from Brugge, Dutch center back.

Denswil's pics have been all over the italian media since they always confuse him with Wesley.  Altough the diff is very visable. 

Anyhow Denswil has been wanting to move on since last season.  He's the Radu of Bruges, lefty who plays LCB and LB.
It would make sence since Radu has no obvious backup accept Caceres who simply plays where needed.

I just don't see him being content as a sub when moving on and personally i'm not that eager to see him in Serie A, especially with us.  He's not exactly known for having a strong positional game and not good in the air.  Positive is passing and direct free kicks.

Tare's interest would be believable if he's selling a rightfooter (Bastos or Wallace) and already dealing in Brugge.  Denswil just like Wesley are best in a 352.  Tare is looking formationwise, something he hasn't done before untill Inzaghi.  Marusic, Lukaku, Berisha, Durmisa.  Wesley and Denswil make sence.  But Serie A attackers against Denswil scare me a little.

But none of the two can be very close since they are playing a game in the starting lineup as we speak.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: blue_sky on July 08, 2018, 07:17:57 AM
Hoping in Aurunzo Inzaghi can do the same thing of LA last season to the duo Portuguese so we don't need a replacement of FA if he leaves and fully completed in term for number for midfielder
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Akha on July 08, 2018, 10:13:04 AM
If I remember correctly I read on LLSN that Mendes kids are not going to Auronzo.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: blue_sky on July 08, 2018, 10:48:53 AM
If I remember correctly I read on LLSN that Mendes kids are not going to Auronzo.
Until then I assume those duo only missing chances. And if it's decided, one of big mistakes by Tare for last season including Bastos and Lukaku transfer
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Harmi1985 on July 08, 2018, 11:44:20 AM
I hope nobody from Wolverhampton Wanderers reads this lol  :whistle:


http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2018/07/08/sw-wolves-17m-bid-for-bastos-proves-they-have-more-money-than-se/ (http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2018/07/08/sw-wolves-17m-bid-for-bastos-proves-they-have-more-money-than-se/)
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 08, 2018, 12:04:57 PM
LSN claim Lukaku isn't going to Auronzo because of more injury trouble with his left knee.  I tend to believe this more then a transfer since Martinez said he left him out of the Belgium squad as the medical staff said his problems weren't going to be resolved when needed.  I truly believe he would be there otherwise since the left side isn't fully equipped.  I'm guessing Lukaku is expected to join up in Marienfeld with Sergej and Caceres.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: randy_laziale on July 08, 2018, 12:08:00 PM
anyone has player list for Auronzo?

 :laziostend: :laziostend:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Jiwa on July 08, 2018, 03:19:05 PM
What do you guys think about Danilo Cataldi? IMO, he could be useful for next season. He’s homegrown, Italian, experienced for his age. Also consider that Parolo and Leiva is getting older. Not many Italian (Cataldi generation) better than him, and if there is it’s gonna be expensive. It might be wrong if we decided to sell him/trade him with Acerbi.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: edo_shehb on July 08, 2018, 03:44:48 PM
What do you guys think about Danilo Cataldi? IMO, he could be useful for next season. He’s homegrown, Italian, experienced for his age. Also consider that Parolo and Leiva is getting older. Not many Italian (Cataldi generation) better than him, and if there is it’s gonna be expensive. It might be wrong if we decided to sell him/trade him with Acerbi.

that ship has sail for me,

I'm not against Inzaghi give him another chance, nor I will lose any sleep if he doesn't 

I think Inzaghi prefer to focus on murgia though
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: randy_laziale on July 08, 2018, 03:50:10 PM
WHU is close to sign Yarmolenko from Dortmund..

maybe FA will stay ?  :what:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: edo_shehb on July 08, 2018, 03:53:56 PM
LSN claim Lukaku isn't going to Auronzo because of more injury trouble with his left knee.  I tend to believe this more then a transfer since Martinez said he left him out of the Belgium squad as the medical staff said his problems weren't going to be resolved when needed.  I truly believe he would be there otherwise since the left side isn't fully equipped.  I'm guessing Lukaku is expected to join up in Marienfeld with Sergej and Caceres.

damn how much his price will go up if he made it to this Belgian team  :whistle:

wait how many caps did he already got?, and (at least hypothetically) will he made it to the starting line though? ( I dont really now who and what formation evesto's team use)

Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: SNHW on July 08, 2018, 04:01:47 PM
I hope nobody from Wolverhampton Wanderers reads this lol  :whistle:


[url]http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2018/07/08/sw-wolves-17m-bid-for-bastos-proves-they-have-more-money-than-se/[/url] ([url]http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2018/07/08/sw-wolves-17m-bid-for-bastos-proves-they-have-more-money-than-se/[/url])


Hahaha I actually wrote that ;)
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: SNHW on July 08, 2018, 04:03:08 PM
Lazio and Fenerbahce to battle it out for Arsenal flop Joel Campbell.

https://thelaziali.com/2018/07/08/report-lazio-fenerbahce-joel-campbell/

And here's a closer look at Laifis; what could we expect from the Cypriot?

https://thelaziali.com/2018/07/08/the-scout-konstantinos-laifis-the-star-of-cyprus/
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: randy_laziale on July 08, 2018, 04:08:35 PM
LSN claim Lukaku isn't going to Auronzo because of more injury trouble with his left knee.  I tend to believe this more then a transfer since Martinez said he left him out of the Belgium squad as the medical staff said his problems weren't going to be resolved when needed.  I truly believe he would be there otherwise since the left side isn't fully equipped.  I'm guessing Lukaku is expected to join up in Marienfeld with Sergej and Caceres.

damn how much his price will go up if he made it to this Belgian team  :whistle:

wait how many caps did he already got?, and (at least hypothetically) will he made it to the starting line though? ( I dont really now who and what formation evesto's team use)

the guy got 7 caps..

Belgium use 343, he can be filled the left wing position, but i doubt it he will make it to starting lineup..

Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: edo_shehb on July 08, 2018, 04:26:40 PM
LSN claim Lukaku isn't going to Auronzo because of more injury trouble with his left knee.  I tend to believe this more then a transfer since Martinez said he left him out of the Belgium squad as the medical staff said his problems weren't going to be resolved when needed.  I truly believe he would be there otherwise since the left side isn't fully equipped.  I'm guessing Lukaku is expected to join up in Marienfeld with Sergej and Caceres.

damn how much his price will go up if he made it to this Belgian team  :whistle:

wait how many caps did he already got?, and (at least hypothetically) will he made it to the starting line though? ( I dont really now who and what formation evesto's team use)

the guy got 7 caps..

Belgium use 343, he can be filled the left wing position, but i doubt it he will make it to starting lineup..

in that formation, yes I agree its unlikely for jordan to be in the Belgian starting lineup

still he might make a wonderful cameo such he did against juve in supercup

oh well in other parallel dimension perhaps  :beer:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Don on July 08, 2018, 04:28:45 PM
What do you guys think about Danilo Cataldi? IMO, he could be useful for next season. He’s homegrown, Italian, experienced for his age. Also consider that Parolo and Leiva is getting older. Not many Italian (Cataldi generation) better than him, and if there is it’s gonna be expensive. It might be wrong if we decided to sell him/trade him with Acerbi.
I hope he at least will be given a shot... he has grown at Benevento and I liked his interpretation of Biglias position back then...

If we take him to Auronzo and he persuades Inzaghi, I am all for it... never too late to redeem. Especially for him...

Cannot see Murgia making the impact and development Cataldi has...
So I hope...
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: lazioserbia on July 08, 2018, 04:30:14 PM
Campbell? Why don't we bring Kakuta back?  :ohnoo:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 08, 2018, 04:58:57 PM
Cannot see Murgia making the impact and development Cataldi has...
So I hope...

Why? Murgia is a better player than Cataldi already.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Silindeee on July 08, 2018, 05:03:57 PM
I dont know what good do you see in Cataldi any more.
He cant even play at lower clubs when we loaned him,how can he play in our squad? He is also too static for me. Murgia reminds me Parolo ,box to box player, i think its better to have a player like him for substitute than a spoiled kid like Cataldi
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Don on July 08, 2018, 05:57:33 PM
Cannot see Murgia making the impact and development Cataldi has...
So I hope...

Why? Murgia is a better player than Cataldi already.
I would even disagree Murgia is a better player Cataldi was at that stage...
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 08, 2018, 06:40:00 PM
I would even disagree Murgia is a better player Cataldi was at that stage...

There is absolutely no doubt whatsoever that Murgia is not held in the same regard now as Cataldi was at the same age back in 2015.

But I don't understand how anyone who has watched both over the last couple of seasons could come to the conclusion that Cataldi is the better player.

The most I've seen from Cataldi is that in an in-form Lazio side with a run of fixtures among the easiest Lazio have had in their history, he can come in and do a solid job.

Murgia showed last season that he can be one of the best on the field when Lazio are in a spot of difficulty. For me,he was out best player in Europe and often was a standout performer in games we lost.

Point is, you see what a player can really do in adverse situations. Adverse situations have shown Cataldi to be far from the player Lazio supporters proclaimed him to be.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: christ_JM on July 08, 2018, 06:50:34 PM
Murgia has played 2-3 good games and many average games.

Whilst Cataldi may not be the answer to our midfield depth issues, I don’t think Murgia is either.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 08, 2018, 07:00:01 PM
I second on what Cathal posted. Cataldi holds a certain image with a lot of Laziali.  It's very visable on social media.  Murgia is less talented, but in my eyes more focussed, more disciplined, more into his task and clearly holds more regard in the club and among teammates.

Murgia on our bench to drop in whenever is a luxuary, he'll always give it all and is simply content to be at 'his' club.  Cataldi already started slacking after 1 season. 

Plus it's the fact what's the use of having him on the bench next to Murgia.  He'll hardly get minutes.  Any chance he has of getting back on track is at a club where he can play a lot. 
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Don on July 08, 2018, 07:10:02 PM
I would even disagree Murgia is a better player Cataldi was at that stage...

There is absolutely no doubt whatsoever that Murgia is not held in the same regard now as Cataldi was at the same age back in 2015.

But I don't understand how anyone who has watched both over the last couple of seasons could come to the conclusion that Cataldi is the better player.

The most I've seen from Cataldi is that in an in-form Lazio side with a run of fixtures among the easiest Lazio have had in their history, he can come in and do a solid job.

Murgia showed last season that he can be one of the best on the field when Lazio are in a spot of difficulty. For me,he was out best player in Europe and often was a standout performer in games we lost.

Point is, you see what a player can really do in adverse situations. Adverse situations have shown Cataldi to be far from the player Lazio supporters proclaimed him to be.
Well I see that different having also followed nearly every game...

I like Murgia, but his season has shown me he clearly lacked impact in his role when being in need ... what cost us points in the end, when we needed to start him.

If he can raise that game, fine... otherwise he wouldn't been given a starting spot at Genoa nor Benevento either...

So I at least hope, him and Cataldi need to compete during the preparation and Cataldi given a chance...

I wouldn't like to see one of them becoming a De Silvestri or Parolo in another team...

Though we gonna lose the topic of if we discuss "in this thread" any further...

What is your opinion on Acerbi though? Able to succeed DV?
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 08, 2018, 07:10:39 PM
LSN claim Lukaku isn't going to Auronzo because of more injury trouble with his left knee.  I tend to believe this more then a transfer since Martinez said he left him out of the Belgium squad as the medical staff said his problems weren't going to be resolved when needed.  I truly believe he would be there otherwise since the left side isn't fully equipped.  I'm guessing Lukaku is expected to join up in Marienfeld with Sergej and Caceres.

damn how much his price will go up if he made it to this Belgian team  :whistle:

wait how many caps did he already got?, and (at least hypothetically) will he made it to the starting line though? ( I dont really now who and what formation evesto's team use)

the guy got 7 caps..

Belgium use 343, he can be filled the left wing position, but i doubt it he will make it to starting lineup..

Actually he was wanted by Martinez in the roster.  Carrasco has only given bad performances in the last year and Chadli was missing matchfitness.  During the WC now Martinez had to pull Carrasco of because that side was getting destroyed and Vertonghen didn't trust him anymore.  During the Brasil game Chadli had to come of being dead tired.  Only played like 4 games last season.  Martinez then had to use Vertonghen who is not a wingback.  Lukaku would have played 30min against Brasil if he were fit.

It would have certainly helped us to gain interest from certain clubs.  He was in such bad shape the medical staff sent him home because they didn't expect him to get ready for even 1 game. 
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Secret_Samadhi on July 08, 2018, 07:17:44 PM
Murgia and Cataldi, poteto potato.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Ghost of Felipe Anderson on July 08, 2018, 08:09:41 PM
Murgia and Cataldi, poteto potato.
+1

Had high hopes for both. Being young and Italian, hence Laziali since childhood, is a huge plus for them. Unfortunaly it looks like both couldn't utilise this plus. To my eye their performances don't cut it for our ambitions. Hate to admit it, but Murgia cost us points when we relied on him as a starter. Cataldi is a headcase and couldn't stand out in weaker Serie A sides. Of course both should get the chance to make their case in Auronzo. But from what I've seen, we can't rely on either of them. One, presumably Murgia, will be on the team sheet all season long to satisfy rules. We can only hope he proves most of us wrong and grows as a player, which isn't impossible at his age.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: campiador on July 08, 2018, 08:55:21 PM
Murgia and Cataldi, poteto potato.
Hate to admit it, but Murgia cost us points when we relied on him as a starter.
This ^
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 08, 2018, 09:06:36 PM
I've seen Immobile criticised on this forum for turning in a series of poor performances. I'm willing to overlook a couple of poor performances from Murgia.

I can't overlook a couple of poor seasons from Cataldi.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 08, 2018, 09:25:40 PM
The games Murgia started he had a decent game each time, except at Viola where he was wrongly sent off.  When he came of the bench it was less but that's more difficult for a player who has much less gametime then others.  Still he did okay. 

If he was 4th choice cm or a starter i'd be very displeased but he's not.  He's 5th in line at the highest if Lulic or Alberto don't in either.  For a player in that position one has to be content if he's able to do his task and hold his own.  Especially at Lazio where money doesn't come pooring in.

I'm not saying we couldn't get better but i'm not unhappy with him.  And because he's homegrown he's staying around and Tare isn't getting a young talent to sub.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 08, 2018, 10:20:09 PM
Voetbalkrant.nl & voetbalnieuws.be - Both sources report Lazio have upgraded their offer for Wesley Moreas for the 3rd time.  The opening offer was claimed to be 7mil, wich quickly became 10-11 mil.  This evening it's said 12 to 13mil cash is being offered with the demand to get the deal completed swiftly in the next days.  Most likely because Simone Inzaghi wants a full roster at his disposal for summertraining as soon as possible.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Ghost of Felipe Anderson on July 08, 2018, 10:30:45 PM
Murgia could turn into a solid player someday, but I doubt it will be with us. At the age he is entering, game action is of highest importance. If we keep him in his current 5th choice role, he won't see the field often. But I don't envision a loan spell either. So this could very well end up being a case Cataldi 2.0 in some sense, as we could still discuss his talent in a couple of years.

Can't really name Murgia's particular strength, but plenty weaknesses. Even for a roaming midfielder he lacks positional sense. Nobody can question his enthusiasm on the pitch, but in his role he must win more duels to be a viable option for us. I get that we aren't Juve and therefore our 5th choice CM can't be a top class player. But if it wasn't for him being young and homegrown, most of us wouldn't even know his name.

To not sound overly pessimistic, Parolo was a late bloomer too. So there is hope for Murgia.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: torsten on July 08, 2018, 11:44:16 PM
Murgia could turn into a solid player someday, but I doubt it will be with us. At the age he is entering, game action is of highest importance. If we keep him in his current 5th choice role, he won't see the field often. But I don't envision a loan spell either. So this could very well end up being a case Cataldi 2.0 in some sense, as we could still discuss his talent in a couple of years.

Can't really name Murgia's particular strength, but plenty weaknesses. Even for a roaming midfielder he lacks positional sense. Nobody can question his enthusiasm on the pitch, but in his role he must win more duels to be a viable option for us. I get that we aren't Juve and therefore our 5th choice CM can't be a top class player. But if it wasn't for him being young and homegrown, most of us wouldn't even know his name.

To not sound overly pessimistic, Parolo was a late bloomer too. So there is hope for Murgia.

Agrér with this, if we’re not gonna give him more play time this season he should be loaned out. And if so, we could keep Di Gennaro and get Cataldi back to earn his place :supsmile:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 09, 2018, 12:39:30 AM
I’ve watched a bunch of videos of that Wesley guy and also read some opinions from Brugge fans. It seems to me that were overpaying for him.

He has good dribbling skills and he’s got great physique. But he’s poor in the air and he doesn’t score a lot of goals even in a lesser league like the Belgian.

Is it just me that finds 13 mill euros plus bonuses way too high?

Also I hope something happens soon with that defence.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Ghost of Felipe Anderson on July 09, 2018, 12:58:31 AM
I’ve watched a bunch of videos of that Wesley guy and also read some opinions from Brugge fans. It seems to me that were overpaying for him.

He has good dribbling skills and he’s got great physique. But he’s poor in the air and he doesn’t score a lot of goals even in a lesser league like the Belgian.

Is it just me that finds 13 mill euros plus bonuses way too high?

Also I hope something happens soon with that defence.
Wesley is neither your typical big targetman striker nor your typical goal poacher. Quite honestly, the more I watch him the more I see him as a fit for the LA position behind Ciro. Not to play the same role as LA, but to offer something different. Haven't seen many strikers of his size with such good passing vision, technique and crossing. I think having size in our offensive department is also planning ahead for the days without Sergej, whenever he leaves. 13m is nothing these days for a physically and technically skilled striker. He may never score 20 goals but turn into a great player for us. I'm cautiously optimistic that Wesley would be a solid signing for us.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 09, 2018, 01:35:45 AM
I’ve watched a bunch of videos of that Wesley guy and also read some opinions from Brugge fans. It seems to me that were overpaying for him.

He has good dribbling skills and he’s got great physique. But he’s poor in the air and he doesn’t score a lot of goals even in a lesser league like the Belgian.

Is it just me that finds 13 mill euros plus bonuses way too high?

Also I hope something happens soon with that defence.

When we signed Marusic Ostend fans were not happy.  Yet now he's not a hit here on the forum.

When we signed Sergej Genk fans didn't complain and already happy with 9mil, without knowing they would get 18.

Now with Wesley some say fine he's not going to stay anyway let's cash in.  Others no keep him one more year and hope for more.  Above 10mil is a lot i think that also.  But like said Bruges doesn't have to sell and it seems Tare wants him now, so that will end up costing more.  10mil is a fair price concidering age and the talent ready to grow further, more money is simply because hus current club hold the better cards.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: christ_JM on July 09, 2018, 04:46:50 AM
I’ve watched a bunch of videos of that Wesley guy and also read some opinions from Brugge fans. It seems to me that were overpaying for him.

He has good dribbling skills and he’s got great physique. But he’s poor in the air and he doesn’t score a lot of goals even in a lesser league like the Belgian.

Is it just me that finds 13 mill euros plus bonuses way too high?

Also I hope something happens soon with that defence.

When we signed Marusic Ostend fans were not happy.  Yet now he's not a hit here on the forum.

When we signed Sergej Genk fans didn't complain and already happy with 9mil, without knowing they would get 18.

Now with Wesley some say fine he's not going to stay anyway let's cash in.  Others no keep him one more year and hope for more.  Above 10mil is a lot i think that also.  But like said Bruges doesn't have to sell and it seems Tare wants him now, so that will end up costing more.  10mil is a fair price concidering age and the talent ready to grow further, more money is simply because hus current club hold the better cards.

10 mil is fair price in today's market. However, when we let De Vrij go for nothing it seems like a lot of money.

Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: christ_JM on July 09, 2018, 04:49:00 AM
Murgia could turn into a solid player someday, but I doubt it will be with us. At the age he is entering, game action is of highest importance. If we keep him in his current 5th choice role, he won't see the field often. But I don't envision a loan spell either. So this could very well end up being a case Cataldi 2.0 in some sense, as we could still discuss his talent in a couple of years.

Can't really name Murgia's particular strength, but plenty weaknesses. Even for a roaming midfielder he lacks positional sense. Nobody can question his enthusiasm on the pitch, but in his role he must win more duels to be a viable option for us. I get that we aren't Juve and therefore our 5th choice CM can't be a top class player. But if it wasn't for him being young and homegrown, most of us wouldn't even know his name.

To not sound overly pessimistic, Parolo was a late bloomer too. So there is hope for Murgia.

Murgia seems too weak physically to make an impact.

Why is this the case? Why is he not bulking up?

I don't know many central midfielders who are built as slightly as he is.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: mamangfreak on July 09, 2018, 05:44:25 AM
https://www.calciomercato.com/en/news/lazio-want-ac-milan-s-fabio-borini-76089 (https://www.calciomercato.com/en/news/lazio-want-ac-milan-s-fabio-borini-76089)
i don't know it's just rumour or true.... :supsmile: :supsmile: :supsmile:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: edo_shehb on July 09, 2018, 06:53:38 AM
https://www.calciomercato.com/en/news/lazio-want-ac-milan-s-fabio-borini-76089 (https://www.calciomercato.com/en/news/lazio-want-ac-milan-s-fabio-borini-76089)
i don't know it's just rumour or true.... :supsmile: :supsmile: :supsmile:

once you in the tare's list, you will always be in the tare's list  :sciarpa05:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 09, 2018, 09:08:54 AM
Murgia could turn into a solid player someday, but I doubt it will be with us.

Agrér with this, if we’re not gonna give him more play time this season he should be loaned out. And if so, we could keep Di Gennaro and get Cataldi back to earn his place :supsmile:

I get why people are unconvinced by Murgia, but what I don't understand is how anyone can seriously argue that Cataldi merits a place in this Lazio team instead.

Cataldi failed to make the breakthrough at Lazio. Failed to impress at Genoa. Failed to make the grade at Benevento. If we signed any other player with that CV, the forum would be in uproar. We wouldn't hear the end of it.

Deciding at this point that Murgia isn't good enough for Lazio but that Cataldi can be seems insane to me. For this squad, I'd trust Di Gennaro over Cataldi every day. At least I know if Di Gennaro is on the bench, there's no danger of him getting sent to the stands. I'd take a number of Benevento players before I'd take Cataldi; and of course, I wouldn't actually take any Benevento player because I saw them play last season.

I just don't get it. I know it's a cliché to say 'you're only as good as your last game' but Murgia was one of the few players to come out of that crucial game with Inter with any dignity. That has to count for something, as does - in my opinion - his very decent displays in Europe and his Supercoppa exploits.

Writing a 21 year-old off because his performances don't compare well to one of the wiliest most experienced players in Serie A while endorsing a player whose performances don't compare well with Nicolas Viola just doesn't make sense to me. I'll leave it at that.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: blue-white on July 09, 2018, 09:34:50 AM
Murgia had huge problems in games vs. Napoli .... like many others of our team too.

But i fully agree with Cathal here. Murgia did in his games what he had to do, and Inzaghi also stated this.
People are speakig about Cataldi and prefer him to Murgia what i totally can't understand.

Like Cathal said - Cataldi didn't deliver at Lazio, was not able to impress in a weak Genoa team, and didn't do a big job at Benevento. btw... Lombardi was in my opinion the player who did more at Benevento.

I agree that Murgia still has a lot to do and still has a an huge work in front of him - especially because we have now Berisha too in our squad, but writing him off - and in the same time - crying after Cataldi is nonesense to me.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Ghost of Felipe Anderson on July 09, 2018, 09:41:16 AM
Nobody will disagree that we should keep Murgia over Cataldi, unless the latter stands out in Auronzo. In my book they are very similar though, but Murgia has age and character going him.

If I'm Murgia I'm working on lower body strength night and day while picking Parolo's brain all day long. Roaming from midfield is great because it creates opportunities. But being back in the right position at the right time is even more important and that's what Murgia needs to improve.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 09, 2018, 09:45:26 AM
Nobody will disagree that we should keep Murgia over Cataldi, unless the latter stands out in Auronzo.

Assuming the latter goes to Auronzo? Because I think it's highly unlikely we see Cataldi train with the first team.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Ghost of Felipe Anderson on July 09, 2018, 09:54:46 AM
Nobody will disagree that we should keep Murgia over Cataldi, unless the latter stands out in Auronzo.

Assuming the latter goes to Auronzo? Because I think it's highly unlikely we see Cataldi train with the first team.
Who knows. Maybe one last chance to prove that he belongs? Maybe the Benevento experience has humbled him? As has already been mentioned, we won't bring in a top class 5th choice CM. I prefer Murgia for obvious reasons too. But turning 24 years old soon, we finally need to know if Cataldi can contribute, or just end this chapter. Most have written him off already, so do I to be honest. At least Cataldi could push Murgia in Auronzo if nothing else.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: SNHW on July 09, 2018, 10:06:58 AM
Real Madrid's pursuit of Milinkovic-Savic could include a 'top secret' name. Any thoughts as to who it could be? I'm thinking one of either Ceballos or Vasquez, certainly wouldn't complain if we lost Sergej and gained a Kovacic - best case scenario IMO.

https://thelaziali.com/2018/07/09/real-madrid-lazio-milinkovic-savic-lotito/

Mauricio's future at Lazio remains uncertain. The problem appears to be finding a suitor willing to pay; otherwise we could see a similar situation to Djordevic or Marchetti last season, wasting wages and wasting away.

https://thelaziali.com/2018/07/09/lazios-mauricio-future-remains-uncertain/
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 09, 2018, 10:18:40 AM
Who knows. Maybe one last chance to prove that he belongs? Maybe the Benevento experience has humbled him?

I don't see how the Benevento experience could've changed minds.

If this was Football Manager, I would understand the logic for keeping Cataldi around - he did a job for Lazio 3 years ago when we were pushing for the Champions League, so if you get that player back to that form and look to fulfil his potential, we'll be doing very well.

But in the real world, it doesn't work like that. Cataldi's professionalism is a problem. I heard stories when he first left (member of a clique Lazio have spent last couple of years disbanding, very forceful in making his point about how he should be playing more often etc.) that suggested to me at the time he went to Genoa that his Lazio career was over. I still think that's the case; we just can't get anyone to take him off our hands permanently. The fact Pasquale Foggia said recently Cataldi needs to grow up is telling.

In my opinion, Cataldi needs to be the main man in midfield and pull the strings, like a Ledesma, Biglia or Leiva.  His best form has been in that role for Crotone and Italy U21s. I can honestly say that at Lazio, Cataldi has never really impressed me at any stage. In the odd occasion he was in the team because Biglia was hurt, I saw a glimpse of the player he could be, but it's immaterial if he's being a pain in the ass behind the scenes.

Murgia, in my opinion, is trying to make the transition from attacking-midfield player to central-midfield player and he has a long way to go. I think it's vital he remains at Lazio to continue his development. I think he has more natural talent than Cataldi. And I think it's going to be easier to iron out some flaws in Murgia's game than it's going to be to change Cataldi's entire approach to football.

In an ideal world, I'd like to see both remain at Lazio and flourish. I just don't think it's going to happen here for Cataldi anymore.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 09, 2018, 10:41:36 AM
Borini is so bad he's basically become a meme with Milan fans. I hope we aren't so dumb we take him off their hands..
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: hamid on July 09, 2018, 10:55:43 AM
The last I remember, Borini was a right-back (or left-back) at Milan. Or do I remember it wrong?!
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Giolazio on July 09, 2018, 10:56:00 AM
Borini is so bad he's basically become a meme with Milan fans. I hope we aren't so dumb we take him off their hands..

Do you have to even ask that question?  :supsmile:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Caput Mundi on July 09, 2018, 11:04:15 AM
Who knows. Maybe one last chance to prove that he belongs? Maybe the Benevento experience has humbled him?

I don't see how the Benevento experience could've changed minds.

If this was Football Manager, I would understand the logic for keeping Cataldi around - he did a job for Lazio 3 years ago when we were pushing for the Champions League, so if you get that player back to that form and look to fulfil his potential, we'll be doing very well.

But in the real world, it doesn't work like that. Cataldi's professionalism is a problem. I heard stories when he first left (member of a clique Lazio have spent last couple of years disbanding, very forceful in making his point about how he should be playing more often etc.) that suggested to me at the time he went to Genoa that his Lazio career was over. I still think that's the case; we just can't get anyone to take him off our hands permanently. The fact Pasquale Foggia said recently Cataldi needs to grow up is telling.

In my opinion, Cataldi needs to be the main man in midfield and pull the strings, like a Ledesma, Biglia or Leiva.  His best form has been in that role for Crotone and Italy U21s. I can honestly say that at Lazio, Cataldi has never really impressed me at any stage. In the odd occasion he was in the team because Biglia was hurt, I saw a glimpse of the player he could be, but it's immaterial if he's being a pain in the ass behind the scenes.

Murgia, in my opinion, is trying to make the transition from attacking-midfield player to central-midfield player and he has a long way to go. I think it's vital he remains at Lazio to continue his development. I think he has more natural talent than Cataldi. And I think it's going to be easier to iron out some flaws in Murgia's game than it's going to be to change Cataldi's entire approach to football.

In an ideal world, I'd like to see both remain at Lazio and flourish. I just don't think it's going to happen here for Cataldi anymore.

Why not give him a chance at Auronzo, assuming a flood of offers don't roll in? He either demonstrates he has what it takes to fight for a place or he doesn't and gets turfed.

Which other players were in said clique, out of curiosity?
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Ghost of Felipe Anderson on July 09, 2018, 11:12:16 AM
Who knows. Maybe one last chance to prove that he belongs? Maybe the Benevento experience has humbled him?

I don't see how the Benevento experience could've changed minds.

If this was Football Manager, I would understand the logic for keeping Cataldi around - he did a job for Lazio 3 years ago when we were pushing for the Champions League, so if you get that player back to that form and look to fulfil his potential, we'll be doing very well.

But in the real world, it doesn't work like that. Cataldi's professionalism is a problem. I heard stories when he first left (member of a clique Lazio have spent last couple of years disbanding, very forceful in making his point about how he should be playing more often etc.) that suggested to me at the time he went to Genoa that his Lazio career was over. I still think that's the case; we just can't get anyone to take him off our hands permanently. The fact Pasquale Foggia said recently Cataldi needs to grow up is telling.

In my opinion, Cataldi needs to be the main man in midfield and pull the strings, like a Ledesma, Biglia or Leiva.  His best form has been in that role for Crotone and Italy U21s. I can honestly say that at Lazio, Cataldi has never really impressed me at any stage. In the odd occasion he was in the team because Biglia was hurt, I saw a glimpse of the player he could be, but it's immaterial if he's being a pain in the ass behind the scenes.

Murgia, in my opinion, is trying to make the transition from attacking-midfield player to central-midfield player and he has a long way to go. I think it's vital he remains at Lazio to continue his development. I think he has more natural talent than Cataldi. And I think it's going to be easier to iron out some flaws in Murgia's game than it's going to be to change Cataldi's entire approach to football.

In an ideal world, I'd like to see both remain at Lazio and flourish. I just don't think it's going to happen here for Cataldi anymore.
Thanks for your assessment of the situation! I knew Cataldi had character flaws, but figured that he could maybe iron it out. Judging your comments, even taking him to Auronzo seems not worth it. For me, taking him to Auronzo would be his final shot at Lazio and worth a try.

Also good point about Murgia transitioning from attacking to central midfield. The added positional responsibility and amount of crucial duels in central midfield have overwhelmed him. That's why a loan would be crucial to his development, taking more responsibility in a lesser Serie A side while becoming used to physical duels. However, we can't neglect our own numbers, so let's hope he can grow at Lazio even with less game action.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Giolazio on July 09, 2018, 11:42:32 AM
Who knows. Maybe one last chance to prove that he belongs? Maybe the Benevento experience has humbled him?

I don't see how the Benevento experience could've changed minds.

If this was Football Manager, I would understand the logic for keeping Cataldi around - he did a job for Lazio 3 years ago when we were pushing for the Champions League, so if you get that player back to that form and look to fulfil his potential, we'll be doing very well.

But in the real world, it doesn't work like that. Cataldi's professionalism is a problem. I heard stories when he first left (member of a clique Lazio have spent last couple of years disbanding, very forceful in making his point about how he should be playing more often etc.) that suggested to me at the time he went to Genoa that his Lazio career was over. I still think that's the case; we just can't get anyone to take him off our hands permanently. The fact Pasquale Foggia said recently Cataldi needs to grow up is telling.

In my opinion, Cataldi needs to be the main man in midfield and pull the strings, like a Ledesma, Biglia or Leiva.  His best form has been in that role for Crotone and Italy U21s. I can honestly say that at Lazio, Cataldi has never really impressed me at any stage. In the odd occasion he was in the team because Biglia was hurt, I saw a glimpse of the player he could be, but it's immaterial if he's being a pain in the ass behind the scenes.

Murgia, in my opinion, is trying to make the transition from attacking-midfield player to central-midfield player and he has a long way to go. I think it's vital he remains at Lazio to continue his development. I think he has more natural talent than Cataldi. And I think it's going to be easier to iron out some flaws in Murgia's game than it's going to be to change Cataldi's entire approach to football.

In an ideal world, I'd like to see both remain at Lazio and flourish. I just don't think it's going to happen here for Cataldi anymore.

Why not give him a chance at Auronzo, assuming a flood of offers don't roll in? He either demonstrates he has what it takes to fight for a place or he doesn't and gets turfed.

Which other players were in said clique, out of curiosity?

Well it depends on whether the club think there is a chance for him or not. If they have no intention of keeping him, which looks likely, then you can't take him, it would be destructive to the group.


It's the same for Mauricio for example, he could probably do some sort of job for the club but it's been long established the club don't want him around, so why bother taking him to Auronzo.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 09, 2018, 11:56:56 AM
Which other players were in said clique, out of curiosity?

Going back to 2016, there was a huge bust-up in the dressing room (not reported in the media). If I remember correctly, it was in the dressing room after the Derby della Capitale and Pioli was subsequently fired.

There was said to be two camps in the dressing room. Without knowing the details, I've personally taken this to mean Candreva & friends vs everyone else. Lazio sold Candreva to appease the dressing room (both Tare and Diaconale said something along those lines) and Peruzzi was brought in as club manager because the club admitted the dressing room dynamics were an issue.

When we loaned Cataldi to Genoa, the word from Formello was that he was too close to Candreva and Keita for the club's liking. Candreva had gone at that point, so I'd assume Cataldi complaining about a lack of minutes was the final straw.

I'd take it for granted those three were in the same camp going back to the bust-up in 2016. Who else was in that clique, I don't know. I just know that there was a clique and those three players I mentioned were tight. Putting two and two together.

For what it's worth, I'd wonder about Klose - partly because he implied the club were quite keen to get rid of him and partly because someone I suspect knew a fair bit about the dressing room dynamics struck me as having an issue with Miro.

And I'd also wonder about Marchetti - Candreva's best friend at Lazio - who found himself ousted from the squad the moment Strakosha looked half-decent.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 09, 2018, 12:07:05 PM
I had the impression it was an issue of the older players vs the younger ones..at least I remember reading that. And so I assumed it was like Candreva, Radu, Lulic, Marchetti, Klose etc "vs" the younger ones.

But yeah I'm glad those days are over..
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 09, 2018, 12:15:42 PM
I had the impression it was an issue of the older players vs the younger ones..at least I remember reading that.

Well, that was the impression we were given, but things get distorted when it's word of mouth.

I don't know any more about the situation than what I've said. Some of us here are in touch with some Romans (members and non-members of LazioLand) and we get the odd bit of juicy info. I'm happy to share that info here as long as it doesn't get anyone - myself included  :razz: - in trouble. In fact, I think it's somewhat my duty as Admin to try and unearth that info.

But there was a definite dressing room bust-up in 2016 and without blowing the whole thing open, the club made it clear the market that summer was addressing those problems. For me, Candreva was clearly a guilty party and I got the impression Cataldi was guilty-by-association.

But there's more to it, which I could only speculate on. He went from being on the fringe of the starting XI to Genoa in such a short space of time that you have to think something happened. There's also a reason Ultras turned on Cataldi in a way they would usually rally behind other Romans. But I ain't getting into that in depth!
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 09, 2018, 12:20:58 PM
I remember reading that people were pissed off with Cataldi not wanting to talk to the fans at some social event (signing in shop?) and that he was more busy on his phone and looking like something who couldn't wait to get out of there.

Murgia seems a lot more humble and more like a young kid who just wants to grow.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Caput Mundi on July 09, 2018, 01:45:15 PM
Well it depends on whether the club think there is a chance for him or not. If they have no intention of keeping him, which looks likely, then you can't take him, it would be destructive to the group.


It's the same for Mauricio for example, he could probably do some sort of job for the club but it's been long established the club don't want him around, so why bother taking him to Auronzo.

Yeah, I'm working on an assumption they still have an open mind on Cataldi. Obviously that's a huge caveat at this point.

Mauricio, I'm not convinced can even do a job!
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Caput Mundi on July 09, 2018, 01:48:36 PM
I had the impression it was an issue of the older players vs the younger ones..at least I remember reading that.

Well, that was the impression we were given, but things get distorted when it's word of mouth.

I don't know any more about the situation than what I've said. Some of us here are in touch with some Romans (members and non-members of LazioLand) and we get the odd bit of juicy info. I'm happy to share that info here as long as it doesn't get anyone - myself included  :razz: - in trouble. In fact, I think it's somewhat my duty as Admin to try and unearth that info.

But there was a definite dressing room bust-up in 2016 and without blowing the whole thing open, the club made it clear the market that summer was addressing those problems. For me, Candreva was clearly a guilty party and I got the impression Cataldi was guilty-by-association.

But there's more to it, which I could only speculate on. He went from being on the fringe of the starting XI to Genoa in such a short space of time that you have to think something happened. There's also a reason Ultras turned on Cataldi in a way they would usually rally behind other Romans. But I ain't getting into that in depth!

Happy to read all the speculation!

Are you suggesting Klose was in a rival clique to the Candreva clique? Because I find it hard to believe he and Keita would be part of the same clique.

The question for me is whether Cataldi's behaviour became a problem as part of that group of players or whether he is the type of person to be a problem full stop. That's something only long-term people at Lazio could answer.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 09, 2018, 02:15:02 PM
Are you suggesting Klose was in a rival clique to the Candreva clique? Because I find it hard to believe he and Keita would be part of the same clique.

It wouldn't surprise me if Lazio identified Klose as a problem in the dressing room, regardless of which side he took. I know he's seen as something of quiet, saintly figure and a model professional - and I'm not necessarily suggesting otherwise - but I think he's more vocal and canny than we realise.

Before he came to us, he was making it known publicly that he didn't like his manager (van Gaal). I think a player that can go there publicly can probably say a lot in the more private setting of the dressing room. I think he knows how to play the game and is prepared to play it, and I think older, more experienced players get away with that. For example, Acerbi is doing at Sassuolo what Keita was doing to us, and it's going to be interpreted very differently because one isn't in his early 20s.

Klose and Tare had a real difference of opinion with regard to how it came to be that Klose was leaving Lazio. Klose seemed adamant that Lazio didn't want him and as much as I was personally comfortable with seeing Klose move on, I can't help but think if he was all he was cracked up to be - for want of a better phrase - Lotito would still be offering him contract renewals today.

I'm just suspicious  :razz: Think Klose may be held in higher regard here and elsewhere than he is in Rome.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Caput Mundi on July 09, 2018, 02:31:02 PM
Interesting. I've never read or heard a bad word about the guy, even on the LazioCity forum.
But I agree, no reason to believe he is above dressing room politics.

While you mention transfer behaviour, Milinkovic's rejection of Fiorentina and the reason he gave would've earnt him a crucifixion if he did it to Lazio. I'm not sure age determines the reaction, so much as the destination club.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 09, 2018, 02:55:03 PM
Interesting. I've never read or heard a bad word about the guy, even on the LazioCity forum.
But I agree, no reason to believe he is above dressing room politics.

That's my point really; we sort of read and hear a lot about where senior players stand but I don't think we ever really got a sense of where Klose stood on anything.

The dressing room was said to be toxic in 2013 when Petkovic was given his marching orders, so there's a lot we don't know that would be interesting if it ever came out in the open.

Klose spent that season managing injury and not really doing it on the pitch for Lazio. Then he was lifting the World Cup weeks after. I get the feeling that didn't go down well with everyone. Not sure it went down well with me to be honest. But a bit of a non-starter of a debate in here.

You can see where I'm coming from I'm sure. I just wonder and would love to know more about Klose's actual standing at Lazio. Clearly Radu, Lulic, Parolo etc. are liked. Clearly Biglia and Candreva were a bit problematic. Nothing's clear with Miro.

I'm not sure age determines the reaction, so much as the destination club.

You're right, the club in question is central as it the general image of the player, but I think being of a certain age in a football sense lets you off the hook on occasion. I'd expect our attitudes towards Lulic would be very different if he was a 21 year-old we signed last season. But again, bad example  :razz:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 09, 2018, 06:05:21 PM
Romulo has reveled he turned down a move to Lazio in January as he didn't want to leave Verona in the middle of their relegation battle.

May suggest we are looking to give Marusic better competition? Haven't really signed anyone like Romulo in this window.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 09, 2018, 07:56:14 PM
Romulo has reveled he turned down a move to Lazio in January as he didn't want to leave Verona in the middle of their relegation battle.

May suggest we are looking to give Marusic better competition? Haven't really signed anyone like Romulo in this window.

That really shows they realized it was over with Basta then already and not considering Patric as a frequent winger.
So the interest then in Romulo was real, would have been interesting.

A striker, rightwinger and maybe besides Acerbi another CB.  Going to be a big mercato.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 09, 2018, 08:03:47 PM
Rumour West Ham offered 45 million for Anderson today and the deal could be done in the next couple of days.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Harmi1985 on July 09, 2018, 08:09:29 PM
i really do not know what to make of that deal, if Felipe Anderson goes for 45 million, roughly what is our budget? if we didn't sell Anderson how much money do we still have to spend on other transfer targets?
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Giolazio on July 09, 2018, 08:33:25 PM
Rumour West Ham offered 45 million for Anderson today and the deal could be done in the next couple of days.

That would be massive.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: valdanito on July 09, 2018, 08:35:00 PM
Rumour West Ham offered 45 million for Anderson today and the deal could be done in the next couple of days.

That would be massive.

IF LoTare decide to reinvest adequately. THAT IS A BIG IF!
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: valdanito on July 09, 2018, 08:38:12 PM
Question. Does Milan want to offer Borini because they don't need him or because they cant pay?

If they can't pay and we get 45 for Anderson can we start dreaming?  :fingerup:

I know I know....
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Rizmo on July 09, 2018, 08:39:59 PM
West Ham just signed Yarmolenko so it's unikely they'd go for FA as well.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 09, 2018, 08:40:16 PM
Regarding Laxalt, I’m kinda sad we don’t seem to be in on that deal. I know we just signed Riza, but I believe Laxalt can play other positions than just left wing back. He was great during the World Cup and I won’t be surprised if a biggger club signs him now.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 09, 2018, 08:44:46 PM
Question. Does Milan want to offer Borini because they don't need him or because they cant pay?

If they can't pay and we get 45 for Anderson can we start dreaming?  :fingerup:

I know I know....

Milan seem to wish Lazio accepts Borini instead of having to pay the remaining 7mil on Biglia's transfer.
They want to get even with FFP rules.

And the rumour is Lotito refused witch i'm really hoping for.  That would be great.  Borini left us hanging to join Milan and now Milan beg us to take.  We say NO.    :whistle:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 09, 2018, 10:00:32 PM
If the reports are correct West Ham will pay 40 mill pounds for Felipe.

As much as I like our Brazilian lad, we have to sell it that’s what they are offering. And yes please reinvest the money.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 09, 2018, 10:15:48 PM
If (when) Anderson sold, expect some enthusiastic name as his successor. Club was connected with various second strikers or wingers during end of season while suddenly everything went shush during last couple of weeks. Expect that deal has been reached and we're only waiting for Anderson's exit.

Just gut feeling.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 09, 2018, 10:27:02 PM
I have a feeling we’re looking at players in Brazil for replacing Felipe. Unless they believe Wesley can replace Felipe, but I hope that’s not the case.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 09, 2018, 10:37:25 PM
If (when) Anderson sold, expect some enthusiastic name as his successor. Club was connected with various second strikers or wingers during end of season while suddenly everything went shush during last couple of weeks. Expect that deal has been reached and we're only waiting for Anderson's exit.

Just gut feeling.

I suspect you're on the money.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Akha on July 09, 2018, 10:51:21 PM
If (when) Anderson sold, expect some enthusiastic name as his successor.

Honda? Biabiany? Borini?
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 09, 2018, 11:28:38 PM
If (when) Anderson sold, expect some enthusiastic name as his successor. Club was connected with various second strikers or wingers during end of season while suddenly everything went shush during last couple of weeks. Expect that deal has been reached and we're only waiting for Anderson's exit.

Just gut feeling.

I strongly believe that will be the case.  In this mercato Tare is moving quickly and Inzaghi clearly wants his roster at Auronzo.  The club aims for a CL place wich requires an better prepping then ever before.  It seems they really mean it this time from the start.

I'm betting on names from back a few months.  Paqueta is my first guess.  Then also Everton and Martinez.

If they replace Felipe it will certainly be a youngster like that not expecting to start here the first season.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 09, 2018, 11:55:41 PM
Pedulla claims Fenerbahce want to tempt Radu by offering a big salary.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Rizmo on July 10, 2018, 09:21:01 AM
Just please don’t replace FA with Azmoun  :wuzz:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: drazvan on July 10, 2018, 09:21:48 AM
If (when) Anderson sold, expect some enthusiastic name as his successor.

Honda? Biabiany? Borini?

Burak Yilmaz!
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: drazvan on July 10, 2018, 09:22:32 AM
Pedulla claims Fenerbahce want to tempt Radu by offering a big salary.

Ah, Radu will not leave. He said in romanian media that he wants to become the most capped player for Lazio. He will be around for some time.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Stefano6 on July 10, 2018, 09:34:32 AM
Yeah Radu is probably the only player, maybe along with Lulic, who I dont see ever leaving.

LLSN claim that if we sell Anderson for €45m, we will use €25m of it on Luan from Gremio.
Know nothing about him so I have no opinion! However id prefer his replacement were someone with european experience, but who knows, he might be good..
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Arti on July 10, 2018, 09:57:09 AM
Radu is going to follow Inzaghi path. He wants to be a coach in the near future. And wants to be a legend here.

Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Giolazio on July 10, 2018, 10:01:56 AM
If (when) Anderson sold, expect some enthusiastic name as his successor.

Honda? Biabiany? Borini?

 :supsmile:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Delta on July 10, 2018, 11:03:37 AM
If only there would be flightradar24 for private jets....
 :wow:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 10, 2018, 11:51:51 AM
Yeah Radu is probably the only player, maybe along with Lulic, who I dont see ever leaving.

LLSN claim that if we sell Anderson for €45m, we will use €25m of it on Luan from Gremio.
Know nothing about him so I have no opinion! However id prefer his replacement were someone with european experience, but who knows, he might be good..

No doubt in my mind either.

But 25mil on one player, that's not our style.  And i hope it remains that way, unless for a proven gamechanger.

Luan is the best attacker linked out of Brasil, i really like watching him.  But i don't think we can afford him.  Not even that logical either as he would cost big money and we need a backup for Alberto.

I'd rather see some more cash go towards a competitor for Marusic.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 10, 2018, 12:16:56 PM
Luan's agent rather bizarrely telling LLSN that he hopes Luan is at Lazio next season, but no one has been in touch with him about it.

Get the feeling if Luan was the guy, his agent would probably know by now.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 10, 2018, 12:35:36 PM
Luan's agent rather bizarrely telling LLSN that he hopes Luan is at Lazio next season, but no one has been in touch with him about it.

Get the feeling if Luan was the guy, his agent would probably know by now.

He's not exactly an Alberto type noar a Felipe type.  Something of a 2nd striker.
Maybe Inzaghi wants a clear profile.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: blue_sky on July 10, 2018, 12:38:32 PM
If I remember correctly I read on LLSN that Mendes kids are not going to Auronzo.
Now Llsn report that Jordao is on medical test.
And for Neto, he is on u19 games something.
Like LA 2 season ago, at least Inzaghi will give a chance to each players except Cataldi.
Or Inzaghi want to evaluate all of his midfielder including Minala
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 10, 2018, 12:40:11 PM
Luan's agent rather bizarrely telling LLSN that he hopes Luan is at Lazio next season, but no one has been in touch with him about it.

Get the feeling if Luan was the guy, his agent would probably know by now.

Yes but why would the agent say he hopes he's a Lazio player by end of month if there's been no contact made. That doesn't make any sense.

Anyway..if we truly are looking at the Brazilian market then he's surely the one we should be focusing on. Unless the club wants to buy an unknown player, but I doubt that based on who is leaving..
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 10, 2018, 12:42:55 PM
Yes but why would the agent say he hopes he's a Lazio player by end of month if there's been no contact made. That doesn't make any sense.

Because other clubs are interested and claiming he expects Luan to end up at Lazio raises his commission?

Of course, the innocent explanation is that he knows Lazio like Luan and it just hasn't got to the contract negotiation stage.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Ghost of Felipe Anderson on July 10, 2018, 01:12:22 PM
Luan would be a dream signing to replace FA. Not quite as fast as FA, but the same dribbling skills and a better shooter. Known for his set pieces too. Has always played in the middle as attacking midfielder or secondary striker, so he would be a perfect fit for our system. Most high caliber players we've been linked with as FA replacement have been rather classic wingers.

It's of highest priority, assuming FA leaves, to sign an offensive player who can dribble and cause havoc to defenders. Relying on LA or SMS to work magic with through balls is great, but won't be enough to break down some of the tight defenses that we will face over the course of the season.

Wouldn't be mad if we use the potential FA money for an upgrade on Marusic either. But I'd rather have a game changer in the mold of Luan in our rows, and bring in a backup to Marusic or let Lulic focus on RWB. My point is that we are very thin up front. Can't count on SMS staying with us, an amazing offer we can't refuse could arrive in the last minute of the window. Then if Ciro or LA need rest or miss time with injury, our attack would suddenly look bleak without a proper FA replacement. If we lose FA and invest the money in Luan, and don't forget Wesley who is very likely to join, our attack would be much more versatile and deeper than last season.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Hadi Van Der Vaart on July 10, 2018, 02:32:07 PM
Is that Kia Joorabchian still having business with Anderson? I always remember Tevez n Mascherano while reading all of this rumour about FA to West Ham.

What's wrong with Acerbi deal anyway? The player himself already declared that he is willing to join with us (I saw he reposted a video on IG from a Lazio fan account), but there is no movement until today. How much the difference between Sassuolo asked n we offered?
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 10, 2018, 02:57:01 PM
What's wrong with Acerbi deal anyway? The player himself already declared that he is willing to join with us (I saw he reposted a video on IG from a Lazio fan account), but there is no movement until today. How much the difference between Sassuolo asked n we offered?

Nothing wrong it seems.  It all points to a medical planned tomorrow, wich was already suggested before the weekend.
There's a chance he'll arrive in Rome today.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 10, 2018, 03:04:14 PM
Is that Kia Joorabchian still having business with Anderson? I always remember Tevez n Mascherano while reading all of this rumour about FA to West Ham.

As far as we know, yes, Joorabchian and Bertolucci are his agents. But West Ham's ownership has changed many times since those days so I wouldn't link the two negotiations.

What's wrong with Acerbi deal anyway? The player himself already declared that he is willing to join with us (I saw he reposted a video on IG from a Lazio fan account), but there is no movement until today. How much the difference between Sassuolo asked n we offered?

Acerbi transfer fee is reportedly 10.8 million + 1.5 million in bonuses. 500k relates to how many games he plays for us, 500k depends on Europa League qualification next season and 500k hinges on Champions League qualification. He's expected to arrive in Rome today and undergo a medical tomorrow. Let's see.

Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: SNHW on July 10, 2018, 03:05:26 PM
We spoke to Luan's agent a couple of weeks ago and he confirmed that there was nothing concrete from Lazio. A lot of the rumours seem to be fabricated and the agent's comments to us suggested that he is just trying to drive up interest in the player. He was very vague, stating that lots of clubs were interested and that, therefore, a move is imminent.

All those comments indicate that he is trying to make his player a target, rather than there being interest. He almost quit playing football a few years ago and at 25, and still playing in Brazil, is a gamble that Tare would not take.

https://thelaziali.com/2018/07/10/exclusive-luan-comments-revisited/


We've been linked with Demarai Gray again, with Leicester reportedly preparing a bid for Jordan Lukaku.

https://thelaziali.com/2018/07/10/report-leicester-jordan-lukaku/

Finally, Chelsea have outbid West Ham for Felipe Anderson. Could they steal him from under the Hammers' noses?

https://thelaziali.com/2018/07/10/report-west-ham-chelsea-felipe-anderson/
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: TracyJacks on July 10, 2018, 03:24:39 PM
I don’t think we can afford 20+ million for Alberto back up. Not our style huh 20+ million? There’s no way Luan just sit on the bench. For cheaper option i would consider Sansone or Andreas Pereira

We can use potential FA money for another area. RM and LCB maybe?
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: drazvan on July 10, 2018, 03:28:14 PM
Finally, Chelsea have outbid West Ham for Felipe Anderson. Could they steal him from under the Hammers' noses?

https://thelaziali.com/2018/07/10/report-west-ham-chelsea-felipe-anderson/

I find this too much Tribalfootball style...I don't mind that you place links to your own website - I think it's good to translate the news to English. But some "news" are just fake. Might help to participate in the discussion instead of placing some boombastic titles for us to click on.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: SNHW on July 10, 2018, 03:33:05 PM
Finally, Chelsea have outbid West Ham for Felipe Anderson. Could they steal him from under the Hammers' noses?

https://thelaziali.com/2018/07/10/report-west-ham-chelsea-felipe-anderson/

I find this too much Tribalfootball style...I don't mind that you place links to your own website - I think it's good to translate the news to English. But some "news" are just fake. Might help to participate in the discussion instead of placing some boombastic titles for us to click on.

Noted. Although I do believe that Chelsea could have tabled a bid. Conte is said to be a fan of him, whilst as is Sarri. Chelsea will want to do all in their power to convince Sarri to force De Laurentiis into letting him go, bringing in a player he likes would help do just that.

Have noted your comment though; will improve. Contributing is hard when you are working to produce content all day though! I hope you understand that :)
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: birulangit on July 10, 2018, 03:38:05 PM
Interesting. I've never read or heard a bad word about the guy, even on the LazioCity forum.
But I agree, no reason to believe he is above dressing room politics.

That's my point really; we sort of read and hear a lot about where senior players stand but I don't think we ever really got a sense of where Klose stood on anything.

The dressing room was said to be toxic in 2013 when Petkovic was given his marching orders, so there's a lot we don't know that would be interesting if it ever came out in the open.

Klose spent that season managing injury and not really doing it on the pitch for Lazio. Then he was lifting the World Cup weeks after. I get the feeling that didn't go down well with everyone. Not sure it went down well with me to be honest. But a bit of a non-starter of a debate in here.

You can see where I'm coming from I'm sure. I just wonder and would love to know more about Klose's actual standing at Lazio. Clearly Radu, Lulic, Parolo etc. are liked. Clearly Biglia and Candreva were a bit problematic. Nothing's clear with Miro.

I'm not sure age determines the reaction, so much as the destination club.

You're right, the club in question is central as it the general image of the player, but I think being of a certain age in a football sense lets you off the hook on occasion. I'd expect our attitudes towards Lulic would be very different if he was a 21 year-old we signed last season. But again, bad example  :razz:

is there any link with why mauri did not get a proper last game acknowledgement or a new contract.

it still baffled me to this day that a captain is just released like that.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 10, 2018, 03:49:08 PM
is there any link with why mauri did not get a proper last game acknowledgement or a new contract.

it still baffled me to this day that a captain is just released like that.

I honestly don't know. Possibly. The way both Klose and Mauri left was confusing.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Giolazio on July 10, 2018, 04:35:11 PM
is there any link with why mauri did not get a proper last game acknowledgement or a new contract.

it still baffled me to this day that a captain is just released like that.

I honestly don't know. Possibly. The way both Klose and Mauri left was confusing.

Klose had Klose day, we knew he was leaving. Mauri was the weird one.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Terzino on July 10, 2018, 04:39:53 PM
Some speculated at the time it had to do with the whole gambling fiasco
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 10, 2018, 05:15:17 PM
I don’t think we can afford 20+ million for Alberto back up. Not our style huh 20+ million? There’s no way Luan just sit on the bench. For cheaper option i would consider Sansone or Andreas Pereira

We can use potential FA money for another area. RM and LCB maybe?

On thesame page here.  20mil or more Lotito won't do and i'm glad about that.  Highest ever were 14mil for Hernanes and somewhere between 16 and 18mil for Sergej.  For Lazio spend more on 1 player is too much of a gamble.  Look at that 8 or 9mil spent on Wallace.  It will be fine if we don't make a loss.

Better provide future successors of starting players. Backups to join now who can adjust without pressure.

Pereira right, forgot about him.  Ideal target imo.  Very talented and perfect as backup, he's had to perform way to early.  A good relaunch and he might be another Alberto type of deal.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Ghost of Felipe Anderson on July 10, 2018, 07:02:47 PM
Ronaldo to Juve is official. Until now I couldn't see a club offering much more than 100m for Sergej. But Real was the most likely destination for Sergej anyway, and now they can realistically fulfil Lotito's gigantic demands. I guess we'll find out soon if Real is really serious about Sergej.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: edo_shehb on July 10, 2018, 07:19:21 PM
Ronaldo to Juve is official. Until now I couldn't see a club offering much more than 100m for Sergej. But Real was the most likely destination for Sergej anyway, and now they can realistically fulfil Lotito's gigantic demands. I guess we'll find out soon if Real is really serious about Sergej.

the day we (might) have player that more expensive than CR7......., if anybody tell me this last season I will tell em they're out of their mind  :bravo:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 10, 2018, 07:45:24 PM
Acerbi arrived at Termini train station couple of minutes ago.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 10, 2018, 08:17:03 PM
So the medical check is the last hurdle before we sign him. Good, please don't jinx it anyone  :supsmile:

Im excited to see him in action and I hope he's the leader we've lacked in that defence.  I think him and Radu could make a good partnership and then we will see who the last player is in that 3 man defence.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 10, 2018, 08:17:43 PM
Acerbi arrived at Termini train station couple of minutes ago.

Would have liked a big welcome at Fiumicino.
But glad the assumed schedule seems to be correct.

He's here, we got him.  So relieved.  :offlag:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: lazioserbia on July 10, 2018, 08:36:37 PM
Acerbi arrived at Termini train station couple of minutes ago.

Hahaha that profile photo  :razz:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: campiador on July 10, 2018, 08:49:03 PM
This would be our most important signing this year.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: HITMAN on July 10, 2018, 10:36:41 PM
If Acerbi fails and became a flop it will be all on Izaghis shoulders. I hope he will be good enough for europa league. No way we can compate for CL with this players. Especialy if Anderson leavs.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Giolazio on July 10, 2018, 11:04:27 PM
I'm excited about this signing, it's quite an unusual one for Lotito to pull off. An established Italian Serie A defender.  :bravo:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 10, 2018, 11:05:22 PM
If Acerbi fails and became a flop it will be all on Izaghis shoulders. I hope he will be good enough for europa league. No way we can compate for CL with this players. Especialy if Anderson leavs.

Don't know where to begin reacting on this ..    it's simply too much ....  :um_face:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 11, 2018, 09:26:17 AM
We ask for an experienced defender, someone who knows Serie A and has leadership qualities and then when we get literally the only person on the planet who fits the bill, we complain about the cost.

Well, the next time we refuse to pay 30 million for Cristante and go out and sign Berisha for 1/4 of the price, I expect to hear silence and see everyone nod in approval and have a Eureka moment with our market strategy.

Tare just cannot win  :rolley:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: christ_JM on July 11, 2018, 09:53:41 AM
We signed Wallace for about the same price. Great signing simply because of consistently and leadership.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: dinhochester on July 11, 2018, 11:50:44 AM
What do you guys think of new season with Strakosha and Proto?
Are you satisfied or not?
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: birulangit on July 11, 2018, 12:16:34 PM
yes.. i am satisfied with strakosha. he is growing.
no goalie is foolproof. just like de gea.

and i believe thats why some other clubs value him at 20 over million (i dont buy the 40)

proto is a back up. hopefully we dont see much of him. but for a back up. he is a good one to have.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Akha on July 11, 2018, 12:30:45 PM
Yes, I am. Never seen Proto before but from Evesto's description he is just the guy we need. Going with Strakosha only and no real sub last season was a huge risk and I'm glad we addressed that.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Harmi1985 on July 11, 2018, 12:50:06 PM
do you guys think we are going to give Ricardo Kishna ,Ravel Morrison, Danilo Cataldi or even Bryan perea a second chance?  :whistle:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 11, 2018, 12:56:57 PM
do you guys think we are going to give Ricardo Kishna ,Ravel Morrison, Danilo Cataldi or even Bryan perea a second chance?  :whistle:

If they are not in tonight's training session, they're not in the first team and if they're not in the first team, I think they're out of chances at this point.

I'd say Cataldi has the best chance of any, simply because he was out on loan in the division last season and at least played regularly. Even if I think the club clearly doesn't want him around.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Juzko on July 11, 2018, 01:38:54 PM
West Ham have signed Yarmolenko, lets see how this affect FA situation.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 11, 2018, 02:27:36 PM
According to TMW, deal agreed with West Ham for Anderson - 40 million + 5 million in bonuses. They claim Anderson will be in London to finalise the deal come Saturday.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: HITMAN on July 11, 2018, 02:37:31 PM
Sad to see Anderson leaving. It all Inzaghis fault.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Terzino on July 11, 2018, 02:44:18 PM
Sad to see Anderson leaving. It all Inzaghis fault.
No it's Anderson's fault for losing his place to Luis Alberto.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: blue-white on July 11, 2018, 02:44:38 PM
Sad to see Anderson leaving. It all Inzaghis fault.

(https://media1.tenor.com/images/b71b0f7f6f3fc6074e59a978d3011b10/tenor.gif?itemid=5594893)

yeah,... all Inzaghi's fault... :rolley: The player is a poor guy who got his career destroyed by Inzaghi
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Akha on July 11, 2018, 02:46:24 PM
Sad to see Anderson leaving. It all Inzaghis fault.

(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/844/770/e9d.jpg)
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: valdanito on July 11, 2018, 02:50:23 PM
I am happy with Acerbi. Very happy, but are we really any better at the back. We lost one defender and got another one, some might even argue DV was/is better. Are we really any better at the back?

Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: randy_laziale on July 11, 2018, 02:53:07 PM
i don't know with you guys, but i think this season gonna be ours..

for the first time since ages i am feel confident this season we gonna achieve UCL spot and maybe EL/Coppa semifinal at the least..

but again i won't set my expectation high, objective gonna be top 4 and other achievement gonna be a bonus..
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 11, 2018, 02:58:57 PM
I'm pretty certain Anderson ends up at West Ham. The feeling in Formello earlier in the week is that he's a West Ham player, a West Ham insider revealed last night there was a 40 million bid on Lazio's table, Anderson's medical didn't happen and now TMW are breaking the news that he's London-bound. Inevitable now, I feel.

TMW have been quite good at breaking Lazio transfer news this summer, and now they claim Gonzalo Martinez is who Tare wants to come in.

Are we really any better at the back?

Remains to be seen. Acerbi may actually be a better fit in that role than de Vrij and everyone else back there has the potential to improve (even Caceres, given his career went off the rails and he may not yet be back on track).

Another pre-season working with this system will help us at the back too.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: blue_sky on July 11, 2018, 03:08:50 PM
I'd be pessimistic this season if we only replace fa with Martinez.
I like Tare searching profile like Lozano. Well at least more younger than Martinez.
We have Neto which is exactly the same as Martinez  :whistle: but more younger. So Tare please look for another profile
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: lazioserbia on July 11, 2018, 03:18:55 PM
If we do sell Felipe we need someone like Luan. One of, if not the best player in Gremio. Has the potential to be even better than Felipe.

I like Felipe but he has mental block that stops him from being consistent. 40 million is a lot of money.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 11, 2018, 03:52:17 PM
I'd be pessimistic this season if we only replace fa with Martinez.
I like Tare searching profile like Lozano. Well at least more younger than Martinez.
We have Neto which is exactly the same as Martinez  :whistle: but more younger. So Tare please look for another profile

Like said yesterday, i expect Everton, Paqueta or Martinez.  So i'm not surprisef Martinez' name pops up again.

I don't believe in Luan or Gomez rumours.  Luan is the best attacker in Brasil imo so i don't expect as a sub for Alberto and so definitly Gomez neither.

That's how i guide myself with these names.  Alberto is our starter because he's the setpiece taker, simple.  I he would become 2nd choice we would create a problem.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: lazioserbia on July 11, 2018, 03:57:30 PM
I'd be pessimistic this season if we only replace fa with Martinez.
I like Tare searching profile like Lozano. Well at least more younger than Martinez.
We have Neto which is exactly the same as Martinez  :whistle: but more younger. So Tare please look for another profile

Like said yesterday, i expect Everton, Paqueta or Martinez.  So i'm not surprisef Martinez' name pops up again.

I don't believe in Luan or Gomez rumours.  Luan is the best attacker in Brasil imo so i don't expect as a sub for Alberto and so definitly Gomez neither.

That's how i guide myself with these names.  Alberto is our starter because he's the setpiece taker, simple.  I he would become 2nd choice we would create a problem.

But if Milinkovic Savic leaves...
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: blue_sky on July 11, 2018, 04:14:46 PM
I'd be pessimistic this season if we only replace fa with Martinez.
I like Tare searching profile like Lozano. Well at least more younger than Martinez.
We have Neto which is exactly the same as Martinez  :whistle: but more younger. So Tare please look for another profile

Like said yesterday, i expect Everton, Paqueta or Martinez.  So i'm not surprisef Martinez' name pops up again.

I don't believe in Luan or Gomez rumours.  Luan is the best attacker in Brasil imo so i don't expect as a sub for Alberto and so definitly Gomez neither.

That's how i guide myself with these names.  Alberto is our starter because he's the setpiece taker, simple.  I he would become 2nd choice we would create a problem.
I don't believe at all with so called first choice and second choice and so on. You see how Hernanes when FA just came. It was when FA exploded.
So replacement for FA with regarded as second choice is bad transfer imo. And Martinez is 25 who is normally already exploded or came to Europe earlier if he is talented.
I prefer Lonzano or a like him :whistle:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 11, 2018, 04:22:11 PM
You can't take the Anderson money and spend 40 million on a replacement when that player is either going to be on the bench or put Luis Alberto on the bench.

At the same time, you can't just buy someone to sit on the bench. Otherwise what's the point? We have Sprocati to just sit on the bench if we want to.

So the player we bring in has to offer something different to Luis Alberto in my opinion and what I think we will lack in a post-Anderson Lazio is pace.

A year ago, Lazio was all about pace with Keita and Anderson and now we lack it. It's not as important since we've changed system, but not having anyone up there with any real pace, I would imagine, won't please Inzaghi.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 11, 2018, 04:22:56 PM
What if Robben?
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: blue-white on July 11, 2018, 04:29:50 PM
So the player we bring in has to offer something different to Luis Alberto in my opinion and what I think we will lack in a post-Anderson Lazio is pace.

A year ago, Lazio was all about pace with Keita and Anderson and now we lack it. It's not as important since we've changed system, but not having anyone up there with any real pace, I would imagine, won't please Inzaghi.

get what you mean ... i say Durmisi has pace. Maybe we already have one for that job.

In general it does look more that Tare and Inzaghi are not selling someone and try to buy someone for that place - they look for players who can replace more than one position.

Berisha can play instead of SMS, instead of Parolo also instead of LA.
Durmisi can do te Lulic but can also play on the side if Inzaghi is forced to play with someone left upfront or can also use him in a possible 4 men defense.

Clear - Acerbi comes for De Vrij.

Sprocati - man for FA, man for LA or Parolo too.

Sure, all have their favorite role, but a type of player like Berisha is an huge advantage to have in your squad, especially if there are injuries or suspensions.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: blue_sky on July 11, 2018, 04:31:42 PM
You can't take the Anderson money and spend 40 million on a replacement when that player is either going to be on the bench or put Luis Alberto on the bench.

At the same time, you can't just buy someone to sit on the bench. Otherwise what's the point? We have Sprocati to just sit on the bench if we want to.

So the player we bring in has to offer something different to Luis Alberto in my opinion and what I think we will lack in a post-Anderson Lazio is pace.

A year ago, Lazio was all about pace with Keita and Anderson and now we lack it. It's not as important since we've changed system, but not having anyone up there with any real pace, I would imagine, won't please Inzaghi.
That's my point. He is Lonzano or Pjaca
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 11, 2018, 04:36:21 PM
get what you mean ... i say Durmisi has pace. Maybe we already have one for that job.

Sure, but I meant more specifically an alternative to Luis Alberto. Someone you can put behind Immobile or up alongside Immobile that isn't a completely different player to Luis Alberto but offers something different at the same time. Really, someone like the player we hoped Anderson could be in that role - someone creative with flair who also has pace and isn't afraid to take people on. Don't mind if they are less talented as long as it's a more natural fit.

Most of these South American players fit that description, just a question of whether they could do it in Serie A.

As for the rest of your post, I agree that we're clearly targeting versatile players. There's going to be quite a bit to figure out this pre-season and I think what it really points to is coming to terms with the fact that Lulic and Parolo can't go on forever...

At least I hope that's what it points too, and not simply that we are selling Lukaku and SMS  :razz:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: blue-white on July 11, 2018, 04:38:19 PM
What if Robben?

salary and his will to have a garantee on first 11 .... so... no. :supsmile:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 11, 2018, 04:42:14 PM
What if Robben?

salary and his will to have a garantee on first 11 .... so... no. :supsmile:

For our synchronised swimming team, I'd assume?  :rolley:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: dinhochester on July 11, 2018, 04:49:53 PM
Hmm in Conte Juve, they dont have Luis Alberto or Felipe Anderson type of player at the front. But they do have two different type of striker.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 11, 2018, 04:57:01 PM
i don't know with you guys, but i think this season gonna be ours..

for the first time since ages i am feel confident this season we gonna achieve UCL spot and maybe EL/Coppa semifinal at the least..

but again i won't set my expectation high, objective gonna be top 4 and other achievement gonna be a bonus..

I admire your optimism, but we still need some vital reinforcements if we're going to achieve more than we did last season.

Felipe looks like he's leaving and I'm pleased to say that I believe we will sign a good replacement. This Luan guy is very interesting, but even if it's someone else I am confident the club wants to send a statement with signing a good player to replace Felipe.

But..our problem is still this defence. We still have the same players from last season apart from Acerbi replacing De Vrij. I have a good feeling about Acerbi, but this defence is going to concede about as many goals as they have the last two seasons unless something happens.

The way into the 19/20 Champions League is making another signing for the central defence and then having a 3 man backline of new player, Acerbi and Radu. Those three players should be the core of our defence and then we should use Luiz Felipe as 4th option and potentially keep Wallace.

I'm going to be very disappointed if the club doesn't do more changes in the central defence in this mercato. The defence last season was in shambles..
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Ghost of Felipe Anderson on July 11, 2018, 05:10:33 PM
Some opinions in here regarding FA replacement are mind-boggling to me. Just because FA wasn't in our regular starting XI, we should aim for a lesser player to replace him? A player who is content to sit on the bench? Like last season hasn't taught us that you need quality depth. Hence we were really lucky injury-wise almost all season long, until the bug hit us in the very end and cost us CL.

FA, assuming he is off, was our 12th man and 1st offensive sub. We aren't Juve so that we can have 22 top class players. Naturally most of our subs won't be able to replicate the quality of our starters. But a club with our ambitions should have at least 3 players who can be plugged in and replace a starter without losing a beat. In midfield we achieved this by signing Berisha. If FA is off, we need such a player in attack too. Same for defense, but in our particular case I'd already be happy if we manage to field a solid back three.

Long story made short, we must aim higher than just having a very good starting XI and a huge dropoff on the bench. I've never understood the conception of paying starter money to 11 players and ignoring the bench. Our goal must be to have at least 14 starting caliber players, if not more. If we already start thinking economically regarding our 12th man, we can battle the likes of Atalanta and Sampdoria, and stop talking about CL.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: TracyJacks on July 11, 2018, 05:15:13 PM
i don't know with you guys, but i think this season gonna be ours..

for the first time since ages i am feel confident this season we gonna achieve UCL spot and maybe EL/Coppa semifinal at the least..

but again i won't set my expectation high, objective gonna be top 4 and other achievement gonna be a bonus..

I admire your optimism, but we still need some vital reinforcements if we're going to achieve more than we did last season.

Felipe looks like he's leaving and I'm pleased to say that I believe we will sign a good replacement. This Luan guy is very interesting, but even if it's someone else I am confident the club wants to send a statement with signing a good player to replace Felipe.

But..our problem is still this defence. We still have the same players from last season apart from Acerbi replacing De Vrij. I have a good feeling about Acerbi, but this defence is going to concede about as many goals as they have the last two seasons unless something happens.

The way into the 19/20 Champions League is making another signing for the central defence and then having a 3 man backline of new player, Acerbi and Radu. Those three players should be the core of our defence and then we should use Luiz Felipe as 4th option and potentially keep Wallace.

I'm going to be very disappointed if the club doesn't do more changes in the central defence in this mercato. The defence last season was in shambles..

Yepp. I have a good feeling about Acerbi. Yeahh he’s not good or potential world class CB as De Vrij. But, he’s perfect for three man backline system. At least we need one more defender. But, we must sell that Bastos guy soon
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 11, 2018, 05:17:32 PM
I don't think he's world class, but neither was De Vrij. It's maybe a like for like replacement..but even so we're maintaining the status quo with a defence that concedes goals left and right...unless we replace some of the defenders who haven't proven they are good enough.

Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: valdanito on July 11, 2018, 05:20:20 PM
If we sign a cheap promising option to replace Felipe then it would only be fair to bring a quality RW-RWB player who can walk in the starting XI.

I am satisfied with the market, but with the names being suggested this market is looking to be OK rather than trying to make the jump in quality. There is still time!
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 11, 2018, 05:21:21 PM
Just because FA wasn't in our regular starting XI, we should aim for a lesser player to replace him? A player who is content to sit on the bench? Like last season hasn't taught us that you need quality depth.

The problem is, unless you buy a player better than Luis Alberto and put the Spaniard on the bench, you'll end up with the same problem. And we won't buy a better player than Luis Alberto because we can't afford it.

This is the problem with trying to improve the 'depth' - it's not as simple as buying better players than the ones you have already on the bench. Because we had Anderson for 6 months last season and Inzaghi still chose to play Luis Alberto to the point where he got hurt and Anderson wasn't good enough to come in and drag us to the Champions League.

And his replacement won't be able to either, no matter how high we aim.

And when we had difficulty choosing between the two of them, neither of them played particularly well. You said Juve have 22 top class players? They don't. If they did, they would have this problem.

Our goal must be to have at least 14 starting caliber players, if not more.

This I agree with, but if you buy a player better than Anderson for 40 million and Luis Alberto is still your go-to guy, the depth problem doesn't go away. This is the reason everyone complains about depth each and every season. It's impossible for a club in our position to solve. Emphasis on impossible  :razz:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 11, 2018, 05:26:23 PM
We need to identify a young player who is hungry enough to push himself in training and matches to fight for a spot in the starting 11 and yet be humble enough to not start complaining because a more accomplished player is ahead in the pecking order.

I think signing a South American is a good idea because for them coming to Europe is a big thing and they will probably understand why they start on the bench. It's more difficult if you sign an established player in a top league in Europe and then have them sit on the bench.

Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Giolazio on July 11, 2018, 05:30:09 PM
I don't think he's world class, but neither was De Vrij. It's maybe a like for like replacement..but even so we're maintaining the status quo with a defence that concedes goals left and right...unless we replace some of the defenders who haven't proven they are good enough.

Why do you think we are maintaining the status quo? The status quo would be if we kept De Vrij. Who is to say that Acerbi won't be what our defence was lacking, a leader, a good organiser? If he is then we will concede far less because I don't think De Vrij was any of those.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: randy_laziale on July 11, 2018, 05:32:36 PM
i don't know with you guys, but i think this season gonna be ours..

for the first time since ages i am feel confident this season we gonna achieve UCL spot and maybe EL/Coppa semifinal at the least..

but again i won't set my expectation high, objective gonna be top 4 and other achievement gonna be a bonus..

I admire your optimism, but we still need some vital reinforcements if we're going to achieve more than we did last season.

Felipe looks like he's leaving and I'm pleased to say that I believe we will sign a good replacement. This Luan guy is very interesting, but even if it's someone else I am confident the club wants to send a statement with signing a good player to replace Felipe.

But..our problem is still this defence. We still have the same players from last season apart from Acerbi replacing De Vrij. I have a good feeling about Acerbi, but this defence is going to concede about as many goals as they have the last two seasons unless something happens.

The way into the 19/20 Champions League is making another signing for the central defence and then having a 3 man backline of new player, Acerbi and Radu. Those three players should be the core of our defence and then we should use Luiz Felipe as 4th option and potentially keep Wallace.

I'm going to be very disappointed if the club doesn't do more changes in the central defence in this mercato. The defence last season was in shambles..

yes I agree for another central defence signing..

imagine if we can make the same number of goals as last season and concede less goals..

gonna be a season to remember  :bravo:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: torsten on July 11, 2018, 05:32:40 PM
I don't think he's world class, but neither was De Vrij. It's maybe a like for like replacement..but even so we're maintaining the status quo with a defence that concedes goals left and right...unless we replace some of the defenders who haven't proven they are good enough.

I don't really see it as a like for like replacement really. Acerbi has been the leader in t he Sassuolo backline. For me de Vrij has had problem being that type of guy. Think that having Acerbi there will be a lot better for our defense.

About that third guy you want, for me atleast i want that guy to replace Radu if any. Radu will never be the guy to rely on if we make CL in my opinion. For me the backline needs the leader (Acerbi) the talent (Luiz Felipe) and a third guy just being awesome (Romagnoli/Rugani). Here is where i really agree with you, Bastos or Wallace won't be those guys i believe. Problem with this is that we're not gonna bench a player like Radu in the next season.. and if we bench a guy like Luiz Felipe what kind of signals does that send to young players?
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 11, 2018, 05:35:02 PM
We need to identify a young player who is hungry enough to push himself in training and matches to fight for a spot in the starting 11 and yet be humble enough to not start complaining because a more accomplished player is ahead in the pecking order.

I think signing a South American is a good idea because for them coming to Europe is a big thing and they will probably understand why they start on the bench. It's more difficult if you sign an established player in a top league in Europe and then have them sit on the bench.

Exactly what i meant before when saying Alberto is our starter and that needs to remain.  I don't want a lesser player, like Cathal said Sprocati is here. We need to get a young player who knowd he's currently 2nd choicd but has thd talent to become a starter in the future.  That's what's important.

Martinez is 25 okay but i don't see an issue.  If he's adjusted fully for Serie A at 27 that's fine.  Maturity also matters, if we go too young it's only competition for Neto.

Personally i'd like to see Tare take a chance on Everton from Gremio.  He's got something.  But if it's Martinez who is older, fine by me.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: randy_laziale on July 11, 2018, 05:58:02 PM
I don't think he's world class, but neither was De Vrij. It's maybe a like for like replacement..but even so we're maintaining the status quo with a defence that concedes goals left and right...unless we replace some of the defenders who haven't proven they are good enough.

I don't really see it as a like for like replacement really. Acerbi has been the leader in t he Sassuolo backline. For me de Vrij has had problem being that type of guy. Think that having Acerbi there will be a lot better for our defense.

About that third guy you want, for me atleast i want that guy to replace Radu if any. Radu will never be the guy to rely on if we make CL in my opinion. For me the backline needs the leader (Acerbi) the talent (Luiz Felipe) and a third guy just being awesome (Romagnoli/Rugani). Here is where i really agree with you, Bastos or Wallace won't be those guys i believe. Problem with this is that we're not gonna bench a player like Radu in the next season.. and if we bench a guy like Luiz Felipe what kind of signals does that send to young players?

i remember one member say if we can make Radu kind of backup that gonna be useful, so yes, guy to replace Radu is needed, Radu gonna be 32 soon this October anyway..
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: torsten on July 11, 2018, 05:59:57 PM
I don't think he's world class, but neither was De Vrij. It's maybe a like for like replacement..but even so we're maintaining the status quo with a defence that concedes goals left and right...unless we replace some of the defenders who haven't proven they are good enough.

I don't really see it as a like for like replacement really. Acerbi has been the leader in t he Sassuolo backline. For me de Vrij has had problem being that type of guy. Think that having Acerbi there will be a lot better for our defense.

About that third guy you want, for me atleast i want that guy to replace Radu if any. Radu will never be the guy to rely on if we make CL in my opinion. For me the backline needs the leader (Acerbi) the talent (Luiz Felipe) and a third guy just being awesome (Romagnoli/Rugani). Here is where i really agree with you, Bastos or Wallace won't be those guys i believe. Problem with this is that we're not gonna bench a player like Radu in the next season.. and if we bench a guy like Luiz Felipe what kind of signals does that send to young players?

i remember one member say if we can make Radu kind of backup that gonna be useful, so yes, guy to replace Radu is needed, Radu gonna be 32 soon this October anyway..

For me its not about his age, more the quality.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Ghost of Felipe Anderson on July 11, 2018, 06:17:21 PM
Just because FA wasn't in our regular starting XI, we should aim for a lesser player to replace him? A player who is content to sit on the bench? Like last season hasn't taught us that you need quality depth.

The problem is, unless you buy a player better than Luis Alberto and put the Spaniard on the bench, you'll end up with the same problem. And we won't buy a better player than Luis Alberto because we can't afford it.

This is the problem with trying to improve the 'depth' - it's not as simple as buying better players than the ones you have already on the bench. Because we had Anderson for 6 months last season and Inzaghi still chose to play Luis Alberto to the point where he got hurt and Anderson wasn't good enough to come in and drag us to the Champions League.

And his replacement won't be able to either, no matter how high we aim.

And when we had difficulty choosing between the two of them, neither of them played particularly well. You said Juve have 22 top class players? They don't. If they did, they would have this problem.

Our goal must be to have at least 14 starting caliber players, if not more.

This I agree with, but if you buy a player better than Anderson for 40 million and Luis Alberto is still your go-to guy, the depth problem doesn't go away. This is the reason everyone complains about depth each and every season. It's impossible for a club in our position to solve. Emphasis on impossible  :razz:
That's what you call competition and what seperates the great from the good. Not every top class player is like FA from a character standpoint. There are lots of players who work even harder if they aren't 1st choice. Particularly in the offensive department, where only so many players can start. And then for every high character player there is a diva like FA.

I don't know how to put it, but to me it seems that you are suggesting we should sacrify quality to keep the whole squad happy.

Of course LA is penciled in as starter after the great season he had. But this shouln't hold us back from signing the best offensive player we can get to replace FA. What if LA's performance drops off? Or if he gets injured early in the season and can't regain his form?

Quality isn't always equatable to money. Not in this inflated mercato. We can replace FA at much lower cost. We don't have to splash 40m. FA is expensive because he made himself a name in Europe already. Luan, Martinez or Everton won't even cost half of what we potentially get from selling FA.

For sure there are other great players in South America I don't even know about, but I think the 3 names mentioned would be excellent FA "replacements". All of them would probably begin their Lazio career on the bench. But what matters is the quality they provide for our squad. Football in general has become so unpredictable these days. Maybe we can find another position for our FA replacement so he can be a starter. This often happens by trial. Not every player has to behave like FA in terms of playing RWB. Or like I already mentioned, what if we've already seen the best of LA and it only goes downwards from now?

Sign the best quality we can get within our resources and let it play out. I'd never buy a player to strictly be a starter or bench player. It has to play out anyway in preseason and during the course of the season. If things don't go our way early on, we'd at least have the quality to turn it around. If things don't go our way and we have to rely on the likes of Sprocati, whom I wish well, then we are doomed.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 11, 2018, 06:33:19 PM
I don't know how to put it, but to me it seems that you are suggesting we should sacrify quality to keep the whole squad happy.

I'd call it being realistic.

I agree with almost everything you have said, but I disagree strongly with the point you are making about depth. Realistically, until we are contending for the Champions League season in, season out, it's going to be an issue. It's a talking point for clubs like Barcelona right about now.

I've no interest in Lazio signing a player that is less influential than Anderson. To put it simply, I don't think it's wise to spend big money to give one of your best performers in the previous season more competition.

It would strike me as more sensible to buy better players for positions where you are less secure, such as the right wing-back position where Marusic hasn't been convincing.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: campiador on July 11, 2018, 06:39:05 PM
This is the problem with trying to improve the 'depth' - it's not as simple as buying better players than the ones you have already on the bench. Because we had Anderson for 6 months last season and Inzaghi still chose to play Luis Alberto to the point where he got hurt and Anderson wasn't good enough to come in and drag us to the Champions League.

Honestly Anderson was a true leader against Inter. If only he played like that every week.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 11, 2018, 06:50:06 PM
Sign the best quality we can get within our resources and let it play out. I'd never buy a player to strictly be a starter or bench player. It has to play out anyway in preseason and during the course of the season. If things don't go our way early on, we'd at least have the quality to turn it around. If things don't go our way and we have to rely on the likes of Sprocati, whom I wish well, then we are doomed.

That's mostly never been the case if i may say, or at least it's never been the idea.  One could dispute this with signings like Di Gennaro, Caicedo or Proto, but these were signings with different specific reasons wich we all should be aware of.

I'm sure the idea is always to improve and in that case sign a sub who has a chance to become a starter later on. 

And i can't help it but i have a good feeling about Sprocati.  Not to become a starter of course but to be important occassion.  The impact he had at Salernitana wasn't like Palombi's finishings in the box previously at Ternana.  Sprocati really forced things in attack.  It remains to be seen of course coming from Serie B, but it only has to workout once.

Imagine him succeeding, after what Tare pulled with bringing Luiz Felipe from 4th division in Brasil.
That reflects on Lazio bigtime.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: campiador on July 11, 2018, 06:55:15 PM
It would strike me as more sensible to buy better players for positions where you are less secure, such as the right wing-back position where Marusic hasn't been convincing.

Yes! We still are in grave need of an RWB!

We also need to get rid of at least one of Bastos or Wallace (hopefully both), and bring in another quality defender.

I really hope we look into Rodrigo Caio again. He is smart, he has great ball control and technique. Additionally he knows when to not dribble the ball and just simply pass it. He is great at both defense and offense. He has a strong character, fighting spirit, and winning mentality. I really want him at Lazio.

Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 11, 2018, 07:00:57 PM
Felipe Anderson left Formello earlier, while others still in training. Couple of autographs on exit for tifosi and now is assumed it's definite goodbye.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Sile on July 11, 2018, 07:02:18 PM
40 mil is a lot of money TBH.
If we get anywhere near the amount being speculated for SMS, we could be very very competitive in a year or two
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: javier erfi lopez on July 11, 2018, 07:16:44 PM
40 mil is a lot of money TBH.
If we get anywhere near the amount being speculated for SMS, we could be very very competitive in a year or two

Well, it's actually just 30mil, 10mil goes to Santos. TBH, I don't think we'll be able to find an already proved player like him with this much money. It can be used to be invested on 2 or 3 new young players, and then hope one of them become a star. Which in either case it won't help us reaching CL.

While the money from SMS can be spent on bringing quality players.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Ghost of Felipe Anderson on July 11, 2018, 07:18:36 PM
I don't know how to put it, but to me it seems that you are suggesting we should sacrify quality to keep the whole squad happy.

I'd call it being realistic.

I agree with almost everything you have said, but I disagree strongly with the point you are making about depth. Realistically, until we are contending for the Champions League season in, season out, it's going to be an issue. It's a talking point for clubs like Barcelona right about now.

I've no interest in Lazio signing a player that is less influential than Anderson. To put it simply, I don't think it's wise to spend big money to give one of your best performers in the previous season more competition.

It would strike me as more sensible to buy better players for positions where you are less secure, such as the right wing-back position where Marusic hasn't been convincing.
I think our opinions aren't even far apart. We just have a different approach to the situation.

I agree about buying a better right wingback or even another CB in addition to Acerbi. Even if it means Sprocati being our FA "replacement". We can't forget about Wesley either, who is on the verge of joining us and a different option as secondary striker. Quality wingback play on both sides and solid back three could make us a much better team next season.

I fully understand you being realistic. Sometimes solutions seem so easy on paper. Why can't we just bring in a legit right wingback like Durmisi on the left, sell either Bastos and Wallace to bring in another CB alongside Acerbi AND sign Luan from Gremio with half the FA money... :razz:

Honestly Anderson was a true leader against Inter. If only he played like that every week.
That's true. For all the flak he gets, he really stepped up in terms of leadership on the pitch last season. Often provided the spark we needed as a sub. It's a shame that it never really clicked between him and Inzaghi. Now he is set to earn us 40m or even more. Despite falling short in terms of consistency, FA was a success for Lazio.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 11, 2018, 07:20:15 PM
Felipe Anderson left Formello earlier, while others still in training. Couple of autographs on exit for tifosi and now is assumed it's definite goodbye.

Couldn't be more clear.  Bring on the cash and hit the market.

I really hope we look into Rodrigo Caio again. He is smart, he has great ball control and technique. Additionally he knows when to not dribble the ball and just simply pass it. He is great at both defense and offense. He has a strong character, fighting spirit, and winning mentality. I really want him at Lazio.

Please not the Caio thing againg.  The guy's knee could crumble any day.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Roman_Eagle on July 11, 2018, 08:15:34 PM
I hope we keep a fist buyer clause for anderson, once he flops in the EPL we can get him for peanuts
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 11, 2018, 08:46:34 PM
Felipe Anderson left Formello earlier, while others still in training. Couple of autographs on exit for tifosi and now is assumed it's definite goodbye.

Couldn't be more clear.  Bring on the cash and hit the market.

I really hope we look into Rodrigo Caio again. He is smart, he has great ball control and technique. Additionally he knows when to not dribble the ball and just simply pass it. He is great at both defense and offense. He has a strong character, fighting spirit, and winning mentality. I really want him at Lazio.

Please not the Caio thing againg.  The guy's knee could crumble any day.

Caios knee injury kept him out of the 14/15 injury, but since then he's not had injury problems.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 11, 2018, 09:13:21 PM
Felipe Anderson left Formello earlier, while others still in training. Couple of autographs on exit for tifosi and now is assumed it's definite goodbye.

Couldn't be more clear.  Bring on the cash and hit the market.

I really hope we look into Rodrigo Caio again. He is smart, he has great ball control and technique. Additionally he knows when to not dribble the ball and just simply pass it. He is great at both defense and offense. He has a strong character, fighting spirit, and winning mentality. I really want him at Lazio.

Please not the Caio thing againg.  The guy's knee could crumble any day.

Caios knee injury kept him out of the 14/15 injury, but since then he's not had injury problems.

True he's been playing every since but since then a few comments were made that he's knee is something to worry about.  And in 2016 (summer) Valencia sent him back to Brazil after they checked out his knee during medical.  That does not happen a lot, if it's a minor issue they simply postpone a deal and/or medical. 
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Agent Orange on July 11, 2018, 09:17:02 PM
Thank god Strinic never was on our radar, now or then, it hurts my eyes to see him play.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 11, 2018, 10:18:14 PM
Some sources claiming that we're battling Liverpool for Xerdan Shaqiri. What do you guys think about potentially signing him? He didn't look great with Inter, but not many did when Shaqiri played for them..
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: campiador on July 11, 2018, 10:55:15 PM
Felipe Anderson left Formello earlier, while others still in training. Couple of autographs on exit for tifosi and now is assumed it's definite goodbye.

Couldn't be more clear.  Bring on the cash and hit the market.

I really hope we look into Rodrigo Caio again. He is smart, he has great ball control and technique. Additionally he knows when to not dribble the ball and just simply pass it. He is great at both defense and offense. He has a strong character, fighting spirit, and winning mentality. I really want him at Lazio.

Please not the Caio thing againg.  The guy's knee could crumble any day.

Caios knee injury kept him out of the 14/15 injury, but since then he's not had injury problems.

True he's been playing every since but since then a few comments were made that he's knee is something to worry about.  And in 2016 (summer) Valencia sent him back to Brazil after they checked out his knee during medical.  That does not happen a lot, if it's a minor issue they simply postpone a deal and/or medical.

It might have been a big concern back in summer 2016. But now that he has played for two years without any problem, he is probably past the risky days. We can always do a medical ourselves.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 11, 2018, 11:27:59 PM
One of Caio's camp said not long ago that his knee is a ticking timebomb. I think that's why he's ended up stuck.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: phantomm1976 on July 12, 2018, 01:16:12 AM
 FA drama seems over. Thanks for everything. Personaly I m sad that Inzaghi didnt use him better.
 Life goes on.
 I just hope that finally we will buy another quality CD(Glik for example) and one good RB(Lainer/example) and start playing with four men defense.
 Than we will have space for another quality player and not spending money for LA sub.
 I understand that with the material he had Inzaghi was forced for 352(5 defenders in reality). Its normal that you cant play with 4 men defense with Ramos-Wallace-Bastos-Radu-Marusic-Patric .....
 I read the news about Shaqiri. Great plyer-but unreal for me. Salary,leader in his NT,ex teams(except Inter), had(use) his chance even in Bayern with Pep....and now he will come to be LA sub !
 
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: blue_sky on July 12, 2018, 01:37:43 AM
Some reports and llsn also reported that SMS has hired Mendes to make transfer possibility to Madrid with offering 100mil + disclosed young player.
My advice, take it and go and start to search new midfielder. Grujic can be an option
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: javier erfi lopez on July 12, 2018, 02:51:38 AM
I think 100mil + Jesús Vallejo would be a perfect deal. However, I think we should get 100 + 2 young players, so kind of 135mil demand of Lotito would be met too.

I am in favor of getting young players from RM instead of cash. That's kind of the only way to deal with big clubs with the budget and salary scale we have! RM should persuade them to come here. If not players themselves won't be happy to join us! This is sad but true! we don't offer high salaries to satisfy and bribe them
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: edo_shehb on July 12, 2018, 04:06:18 AM
I think 100mil + Jesús Vallejo would be a perfect deal. However, I think we should get 100 + 2 young players, so kind of 135mil demand of Lotito would be met too.

I am in favor of getting young players from RM instead of cash. That's kind of the only way to deal with big clubs with the budget and salary scale we have! RM should persuade them to come here. If not players themselves won't be happy to join us! This is sad but true! we don't offer high salaries to satisfy and bribe them

I'm not sold on this RM youth player Idea, I mean we dont really need another Neto-jordan player on our primavera setup anyway

but though its (still) kind of sound sad, RM second string player might do better here, like LA/Leiva in Liverpool was
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: jovo on July 12, 2018, 07:38:07 AM
FA drama seems over. Thanks for everything. Personaly I m sad that Inzaghi didnt use him better.
 Life goes on.
 I just hope that finally we will buy another quality CD(Glik for example) and one good RB(Lainer/example) and start playing with four men defense.
 Than we will have space for another quality player and not spending money for LA sub.
 I understand that with the material he had Inzaghi was forced for 352(5 defenders in reality). Its normal that you cant play with 4 men defense with Ramos-Wallace-Bastos-Radu-Marusic-Patric .....
 I read the news about Shaqiri. Great plyer-but unreal for me. Salary,leader in his NT,ex teams(except Inter), had(use) his chance even in Bayern with Pep....and now he will come to be LA sub !
We have to be realistic about Felipe, if we use all the money from his transfer we could not find a player near his quality. He was a super sub for us and unlocked a few games which we wouldn't win if he wasn't on the field.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Sile on July 12, 2018, 09:08:09 AM
Papu Gomez again considered

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Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: blue-white on July 12, 2018, 09:19:09 AM
Papu Gomez again considered

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would be in my opinion the ONLY right player we should buy if we are searching for someone like him.
I think that Atalanta is not able wanting 20 mill for him - that times are over.
10 mill + Cataldi and i would go for him.

BUT.... a big BUT ... if Papu joins us, he will be starter and Inzaghi has to work on changing tactic or fielding LA deeper.

If we also sell SMS, i would go for that plan straight ahead. Berisha and LA together with Parolo. In front of them Papu and Ciro.

If SMS stays, places in the midfield are tight.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 12, 2018, 09:27:51 AM
Radiosei claim we've 3 objectives at this point; tying up a deal for Club Brugge's Wesley, selling and replacing Anderson and signing a 'vice-Leiva'.

Gomez is supposedly the player Inzaghi wants if we sell Anderson, but Atalanta won't sell. Depending on where you get your news, the alternatives are Gonzalo Martinez, Luan and Lucas Paqueta.

As for 'vice-Leiva', they're throwing out Freuler and Grujic as options while basically saying in all likelihood they've no idea who Lazio could want. But apparently, this isn't business we're willing to do until Cataldi and Di Gennaro are out of the club.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: drazvan on July 12, 2018, 09:33:17 AM
would be in my opinion the ONLY right player we should buy if we are searching for someone like him.

The question is what do we need? Felipe was more than an attacking midfielder, he was somebody who can play at same level on multiple positions - including our painful point the wings. Durmisi and Marusic are the starters on the wings, at this point we still have Lukaku, an older Lulic and a very old Basta. Sure, Patric can also play a role - he seems to be valued high by Inzaghi. But that looks pretty shallow if you ask me. I think that with Felipe leaving, that's the first thing to consider - getting a good sub for the right wing. Widmer from Udinese was mentioned a few times, maybe we can send Basta back to them and get him.

In the midfield, Luis Alberto and Parolo will be challenged by Berisha for a first team place. I do not think that we need another experienced midfielder to wait in that line. I would rather get a promissing midfielder like Luan and gradually integrate him. If SMS also leaves, that's a different story - then I would like up for Badelj who seems like the obvious cheap solution. One other option would be to insert Kovacic in the deal - i guess 100 mil plus Kovacic would convince me. I think Kovacic still has a lot to show and good experience.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Morts on July 12, 2018, 10:11:17 AM
Some reports and llsn also reported that SMS has hired Mendes to make transfer possibility to Madrid with offering 100mil + disclosed young player.
My advice, take it and go and start to search new midfielder. Grujic can be an option

Great! let's get Odegaard  :whistle: :wow: :wow:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: mamangfreak on July 12, 2018, 10:12:25 AM
Radiosei claim we've 3 objectives at this point; tying up a deal for Club Brugge's Wesley, selling and replacing Anderson and signing a 'vice-Leiva'.

Gomez is supposedly the player Inzaghi wants if we sell Anderson, but Atalanta won't sell. Depending on where you get your news, the alternatives are Gonzalo Martinez, Luan and Lucas Paqueta.

As for 'vice-Leiva', they're throwing out Freuler and Grujic as options while basically saying in all likelihood they've no idea who Lazio could want. But apparently, this isn't business we're willing to do until Cataldi and Di Gennaro are out of the club.
for me vice leiva are most important our transfer right now...
veloso genoa free, why not taking him???
and grujic more parolo than lucas...
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: TracyJacks on July 12, 2018, 11:31:48 AM
Radiosei claim we've 3 objectives at this point; tying up a deal for Club Brugge's Wesley, selling and replacing Anderson and signing a 'vice-Leiva'.

Gomez is supposedly the player Inzaghi wants if we sell Anderson, but Atalanta won't sell. Depending on where you get your news, the alternatives are Gonzalo Martinez, Luan and Lucas Paqueta.

As for 'vice-Leiva', they're throwing out Freuler and Grujic as options while basically saying in all likelihood they've no idea who Lazio could want. But apparently, this isn't business we're willing to do until Cataldi and Di Gennaro are out of the club.

No CB? I would give chance to Minala or Cataldi as vice Leiva rather than sign another CM. Our current CM/DM/AM: Leiva, SMS, Berisha, Parolo, Cataldi, Murgia, Minala, Alberto, Lulic. That's a lot
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 12, 2018, 11:38:16 AM
I would keep an eye on transfer news relating to Patric. I've a feeling he's close to being sold. Too many parallels with Anderson's situation (scheduled to have a medical, but plans appear to have changed).

No CB? I would give chance to Minala or Cataldi as vice Leiva rather than sign another CM. Our current CM/DM/AM: Leiva, SMS, Berisha, Parolo, Cataldi, Murgia, Minala, Alberto, Lulic. That's a lot

We've a lot of centre-backs as well; Radu, Acerbi, Luiz Felipe, Caceres, Bastos, Wallace and potentially Basta and then there's others such as Mauricio that are still on our books but just not in the first team.

I can't stress it enough - Serie A squad limits prevent us from just buying players. Everyone is talking about what they'd want to do with SMS and Anderson money, but if we can't sell a lot of players, we won't be spending a penny of that cash.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: TracyJacks on July 12, 2018, 11:42:50 AM
I would keep an eye on transfer news relating to Patric. I've a feeling he's close to being sold. Too many parallels with Anderson's situation (scheduled to have a medical, but plans appear to have changed).

No CB? I would give chance to Minala or Cataldi as vice Leiva rather than sign another CM. Our current CM/DM/AM: Leiva, SMS, Berisha, Parolo, Cataldi, Murgia, Minala, Alberto, Lulic. That's a lot

We've a lot of centre-backs as well; Radu, Acerbi, Luiz Felipe, Caceres, Bastos, Wallace and potentially Basta and then there's others such as Mauricio that are still on our books but just not in the first team.

I can't stress it enough - Serie A squad limits prevent us from just buying players. Everyone is talking about what they'd want to do with SMS and Anderson money, but if we can't sell a lot of players, we won't be spending a penny of that cash.

Ohh man i'm forget bout that. Our lord Mauricio still in Formello  :razz:

But, I still think not enough for our defense. Wolves, please buy Bastos or Wallace. Then we can afford other defender
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: jovo on July 12, 2018, 11:48:23 AM
Maybe I'm becoming to boring with my philosophy about the deffence, but if we want CL football we have to be below 30 goals per season, we saw last season that we had 89-49 (most goals scored but worst defence in the top 8 clubs). Acerbi is not enought, and I'm not convinced by Durmisi neither.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: LazioKosovo on July 12, 2018, 11:52:26 AM
Cathal is right. At this moment, Lazio still needs to offload players like Mauricio, Perea, Kishna, Ravel (yes they are still our players), then players like Patric, Vargic, Lukaku, Caicedo, Wallace (I would still keep Bastos) before starting to upgrade squad.
Remember that all new acquisitions are either excellent backups or first team entries, something that abovementioned players failed to be.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: TracyJacks on July 12, 2018, 11:58:30 AM
Cathal is right. At this moment, Lazio still needs to offload players like Mauricio, Perea, Kishna, Ravel (yes they are still our players), then players like Patric, Vargic, Lukaku, Caicedo, Wallace (I would still keep Bastos) before starting to upgrade squad.
Remember that all new acquisitions are either excellent backups or first team entries, something that abovementioned players failed to be.

Ravel, Kishna, Mauricio, Perea, Vargic, Di Gennaro ---> Our ultimate deadwood
(Bastos/Wallace) (Lukaku) (Caicedo) (Patric) (Basta) ---> Potential leaving
   
Primavera: Prce, Germoni, Minala, Crecco, Oiko   

That's Tare homework for right now
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: hamid on July 12, 2018, 12:07:52 PM
Perea?  :what: We bought that guy ages ago. Does he have a life-time contract with Lazio?!
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 12, 2018, 12:18:42 PM
Perea?  :what: We bought that guy ages ago. Does he have a life-time contract with Lazio?!

Ravel, Perea, Mauricio on final year contract ending next summer. 
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 12, 2018, 12:28:47 PM
Radiosei claim we've 3 objectives at this point; tying up a deal for Club Brugge's Wesley, selling and replacing Anderson and signing a 'vice-Leiva'.

Gomez is supposedly the player Inzaghi wants if we sell Anderson, but Atalanta won't sell. Depending on where you get your news, the alternatives are Gonzalo Martinez, Luan and Lucas Paqueta.

As for 'vice-Leiva', they're throwing out Freuler and Grujic as options while basically saying in all likelihood they've no idea who Lazio could want. But apparently, this isn't business we're willing to do until Cataldi and Di Gennaro are out of the club.

No rightwinger mentioned.  Unless of course replacing Felipe could mean that, not position for position straight up.
Or one of Lombardi, Sprocati is considered for the right side.  Altough for Sprocati that would be a huge change.  His strenth is in attack, slipping trough and finishing.  Lombardi would make a little more sence, speed and crossing, really not a big goalscoring type.

Vice Leiva makes sence of course, altough i always had Murgia pegged for that eventually.  Good focus, workrate and shortgame, lesser in the box. 

It makes sence since the mezzala roles are double covered, even more if needed.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: dinhochester on July 12, 2018, 12:36:57 PM
I see some Valon Berisha videos, and I hope he can be our aggresive midfielder like Vidal was in Juve. We have Berisha as Vidal, Sergej as Pogba, and we just need someone Pirlo type. Cataldi could be one but he seems not good enough. I know I am obsessed with Juve 352.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: blue_sky on July 12, 2018, 01:03:11 PM
I don't know why we need vise Leiva. 352 naturally don't have dm. Leiva role past season was a player who distribute the ball and a first man cut off the opponent attack when we were being counter attack.
So a player like Cataldi, Murgia and Di Genarro didn't fulfill the idea.
Either we change the game plan or hardly to sell them and find the kind of Leiva.
I comes up with name Badelj honestly.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 12, 2018, 01:50:45 PM
I don't know why we need vise Leiva. 352 naturally don't have dm. Leiva role past season was a player who distribute the ball and a first man cut off the opponent attack when we were being counter attack.
So a player like Cataldi, Murgia and Di Genarro didn't fulfill the idea.
Either we change the game plan or hardly to sell them and find the kind of Leiva.
I comes up with name Badelj honestly.

Badelj sure, but to be a sub.  He'll not be jumping for that.

The thing is it's a 352 or 3511 on paper but on the fiels when being up it's 3151 or 3142.  The wingers are much higher then fullbacks from out of a 4 man backline so the DM has to be able to provide something extra. 
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Caput Mundi on July 12, 2018, 01:55:35 PM
Has Badelj been linked to a club? He would be a great pick up on a free transfer. Wages wouldn't be astronomical.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 12, 2018, 01:59:39 PM
Has Badelj been linked to a club?

Rumour was Milan was his preferred destination, but we were in for him.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Agent Orange on July 12, 2018, 02:47:54 PM
Im happy with our signings so far! I can't see in the future (to bad) but anyways..

Acerbi, perfect that we got him finally, a new Biava? And a new Biava development ? Why not!

Berisha, haven't seen him to much but i like the signing.

Proto, perfect backup, seems like a much appriciated guy to, perhaps stay in Lazio after he quits and helps primavera develope keepers?

Sprocati, i think and hope he will suprise many, just like Acerbi i think he will grow with better players around him. Given he gets playtime but i think he will get many chances.

Durmisi: I hope he suprises, but dont have so much expectations for him but that can be a good thing, i hope succeeds!

And i hope that we can sign some more players. Badelj, Wesley, Gomez and maybe some hidden talents that Tare always seems to find, im not saying we shall sign all these but everyone of them would be great additions!

But we got to unload some aswell, but i dont want to dig in to that...
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: stefano_40 on July 12, 2018, 03:00:35 PM
I don't know why we need vise Leiva. 352 naturally don't have dm. Leiva role past season was a player who distribute the ball and a first man cut off the opponent attack when we were being counter attack.
So a player like Cataldi, Murgia and Di Genarro didn't fulfill the idea.
Either we change the game plan or hardly to sell them and find the kind of Leiva.
I comes up with name Badelj honestly.

Badelj sure, but to be a sub.  He'll not be jumping for that.

The thing is it's a 352 or 3511 on paper but on the fiels when being up it's 3151 or 3142.  The wingers are much higher then fullbacks from out of a 4 man backline so the DM has to be able to provide something extra.

We need a Vice Leiva simply because we fell apart in that area last season when he was missing against slightly bigger teams. Murgia is a Parolo replacement, and I don't even think that Parolo can play in that role. And it's a role that can define this formation when done correctly.

Currently, we are three moves away from me being delighted with the squad:
1. Bastos out, new CB in.
2. Di Gennaro out, Vice-Leiva in
3. Anderson stay OR Anderson out and a new attacker in (somebody like Anderson, but with better finishing to be able to plug him in as a striker if needed).

I do not want the player for point 3. to be Papu Gomez either.

Honestly, I don't think it's too unreasonable and it's certainly not outside of our budget.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: valdanito on July 12, 2018, 03:17:43 PM
I don't know why we need vise Leiva. 352 naturally don't have dm. Leiva role past season was a player who distribute the ball and a first man cut off the opponent attack when we were being counter attack.
So a player like Cataldi, Murgia and Di Genarro didn't fulfill the idea.
Either we change the game plan or hardly to sell them and find the kind of Leiva.
I comes up with name Badelj honestly.

Badelj sure, but to be a sub.  He'll not be jumping for that.

The thing is it's a 352 or 3511 on paper but on the fiels when being up it's 3151 or 3142.  The wingers are much higher then fullbacks from out of a 4 man backline so the DM has to be able to provide something extra.

We need a Vice Leiva simply because we fell apart in that area last season when he was missing against slightly bigger teams. Murgia is a Parolo replacement, and I don't even think that Parolo can play in that role. And it's a role that can define this formation when done correctly.

Currently, we are three moves away from me being delighted with the squad:
1. Bastos out, new CB in.
2. Di Gennaro out, Vice-Leiva in
3. Anderson stay OR Anderson out and a new attacker in (somebody like Anderson, but with better finishing to be able to plug him in as a striker if needed).

I do not want the player for point 3. to be Papu Gomez either.

Honestly, I don't think it's too unreasonable and it's certainly not outside of our budget.

Are you not worried about our RWB position? Basta does not seem up to it and Patric looks to be excluded from the team. Not sure Lombardi can do the job considering he struggled to get into one of the worst teams in serie a.

I wouldnt count on a new CB.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 12, 2018, 03:33:20 PM
Inzaghi said something I thought was very important regarding Bastos and Wallace towards the end of last season. Basically, he said Bastos makes mistakes, whereas Wallace isn't in shape.

My feeling is he'll look to get Wallace going again now he's healthy and give Bastos a final opportunity to get a grip on tactics. If Bastos doesn't look any better, I think he could go. If Wallace picks up any sort of injury, I think he could go. But I think both could stay.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: dinhochester on July 12, 2018, 03:57:07 PM
Inzaghi need to stop playing Bastos at different position, once a LCD and sometime RCD. Try playing Radu as a right central defender.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: valdanito on July 12, 2018, 04:00:40 PM
Inzaghi need to stop playing Bastos at different position, once a LCD and sometime RCD. Try playing Radu as a right central defender.

Now I'm confused!
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: stefano_40 on July 12, 2018, 04:06:13 PM
I don't know why we need vise Leiva. 352 naturally don't have dm. Leiva role past season was a player who distribute the ball and a first man cut off the opponent attack when we were being counter attack.
So a player like Cataldi, Murgia and Di Genarro didn't fulfill the idea.
Either we change the game plan or hardly to sell them and find the kind of Leiva.
I comes up with name Badelj honestly.

Badelj sure, but to be a sub.  He'll not be jumping for that.

The thing is it's a 352 or 3511 on paper but on the fiels when being up it's 3151 or 3142.  The wingers are much higher then fullbacks from out of a 4 man backline so the DM has to be able to provide something extra.

We need a Vice Leiva simply because we fell apart in that area last season when he was missing against slightly bigger teams. Murgia is a Parolo replacement, and I don't even think that Parolo can play in that role. And it's a role that can define this formation when done correctly.

Currently, we are three moves away from me being delighted with the squad:
1. Bastos out, new CB in.
2. Di Gennaro out, Vice-Leiva in
3. Anderson stay OR Anderson out and a new attacker in (somebody like Anderson, but with better finishing to be able to plug him in as a striker if needed).

I do not want the player for point 3. to be Papu Gomez either.

Honestly, I don't think it's too unreasonable and it's certainly not outside of our budget.

Are you not worried about our RWB position? Basta does not seem up to it and Patric looks to be excluded from the team. Not sure Lombardi can do the job considering he struggled to get into one of the worst teams in serie a.

I wouldnt count on a new CB.

Honestly, that would be fourth on my to do list.

I genuinely think that our defense is our main issue, and bringing in another solid CB helps us. Don't think many will disagree.

Replacing Ciro when he was out with a player who is even half the goal threat he was. That's our second biggest issue.

Leiva was ridiculously important to how we played last year, from having that creative spark to being so good defensively that it allowed SMS and Parolo the freedom to move forward. We just suffered too much without him in the squad when he was either suspended or injured, and I genuinely think we dropped points when he wasn't there.

Marusic can at least hold it together on the right hand side, and I think it's easier to put a makeshift player in to that position than to replace Leiva. Only my opinion now, but we'd suffer more without a vice Leiva than we would without a vice Marusic.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 12, 2018, 04:14:54 PM
I don't know why we need vise Leiva. 352 naturally don't have dm. Leiva role past season was a player who distribute the ball and a first man cut off the opponent attack when we were being counter attack.
So a player like Cataldi, Murgia and Di Genarro didn't fulfill the idea.
Either we change the game plan or hardly to sell them and find the kind of Leiva.
I comes up with name Badelj honestly.

Badelj sure, but to be a sub.  He'll not be jumping for that.

The thing is it's a 352 or 3511 on paper but on the fiels when being up it's 3151 or 3142.  The wingers are much higher then fullbacks from out of a 4 man backline so the DM has to be able to provide something extra.

We need a Vice Leiva simply because we fell apart in that area last season when he was missing against slightly bigger teams. Murgia is a Parolo replacement, and I don't even think that Parolo can play in that role. And it's a role that can define this formation when done correctly.

Currently, we are three moves away from me being delighted with the squad:
1. Bastos out, new CB in.
2. Di Gennaro out, Vice-Leiva in
3. Anderson stay OR Anderson out and a new attacker in (somebody like Anderson, but with better finishing to be able to plug him in as a striker if needed).

I do not want the player for point 3. to be Papu Gomez either.

Honestly, I don't think it's too unreasonable and it's certainly not outside of our budget.

Are you not worried about our RWB position? Basta does not seem up to it and Patric looks to be excluded from the team. Not sure Lombardi can do the job considering he struggled to get into one of the worst teams in serie a.

I wouldnt count on a new CB.

Sure, Lombardi would be like a backup option if we can't find a better solution.  Very strange Radiosei didn't mention the position as a priority.  And it clearly is, Romulo proved it.  If he's telling the truth in saying he refused is in january the Inzaghi already realized he needed to replace Basta. 
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 12, 2018, 04:15:46 PM
Everyone points out how many goals we conceded, but it should be calculated as goals scored:goals conceded.

The four teams that qualified for the Champions League had a ratio of 2.17:1 or better - Lazio's ratio was 1.81:1.

For us to have been on par with the others, we would had to have conceded 8 fewer goals across the season (if we score 89 goals, 41 goals conceded in 38 games is a good number - a 'Top 4' defence).

If Radu maintains his level from last season, if Acerbi carries his Sassuolo form to Rome and if Luiz Felipe builds at all on last season, I don't think our defence is a big issue. I think that defence can concede less than 41 goals.

But can we score 89 goals next season?
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 12, 2018, 04:16:32 PM
Inzaghi said something I thought was very important regarding Bastos and Wallace towards the end of last season. Basically, he said Bastos makes mistakes, whereas Wallace isn't in shape.

My feeling is he'll look to get Wallace going again now he's healthy and give Bastos a final opportunity to get a grip on tactics. If Bastos doesn't look any better, I think he could go. If Wallace picks up any sort of injury, I think he could go. But I think both could stay.

Wallace was his starter on RCB beginning last season, we shouldn't forget that indeed.  He started good untill the injury during Milan homegame.  And he costed 8 to 9mil, there's pressure on making it work.

Maybe this:

LCB   Radu, Caceres
CB     Acerbi (Ramos)
RCB   Wallace, Ramos

Backups or leaving:   Basta, Bastos, Patric

Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: blue_sky on July 12, 2018, 04:24:24 PM
I believe Berisha is a solution for rwb.
At least I believe Inzaghi and or Tare think so
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 12, 2018, 04:29:19 PM
I believe Berisha is a solution for rwb.
At least I believe Inzaghi and or Tare think so

I don't think there's any chance they've bought him to play right wing-back, but he has played there and it's something no one has touched on until now I don't think.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 12, 2018, 04:44:08 PM
I believe Berisha is a solution for rwb.
At least I believe Inzaghi and or Tare think so

I don't think there's any chance they've bought him to play right wing-back, but he has played there and it's something no one has touched on until now I don't think.

Freund did say when he left Salzburg Berisha was heading here to be a starter, but that's his talk of course.  His natural position is where Sergej plays, just saying.  Of course if Sergej stays Berisha will not play much Serie A, wich leaves him Coppa and EL.  Hard to grasp for a signing of his caliber.

It really feels to me he'll be Parolo's successor.  Within 6 months he'll be 34. Playing left or right that remains to be seen.

As wingback, that would be highly unlikely, to even almost impossible.

Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: valdanito on July 12, 2018, 04:54:53 PM
SMS to RM picking pace in the press.

If he does leave, I expect big big bucks, just worried that LoTare will be happy enough with Berisha as the replacement.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: jovo on July 12, 2018, 05:02:21 PM
Everyone points out how many goals we conceded, but it should be calculated as goals scored:goals conceded.

The four teams that qualified for the Champions League had a ratio of 2.17:1 or better - Lazio's ratio was 1.81:1.

For us to have been on par with the others, we would had to have conceded 8 fewer goals across the season (if we score 89 goals, 41 goals conceded in 38 games is a good number - a 'Top 4' defence).

If Radu maintains his level from last season, if Acerbi carries his Sassuolo form to Rome and if Luiz Felipe builds at all on last season, I don't think our defence is a big issue. I think that defence can concede less than 41 goals.

But can we score 89 goals next season?
There are to many "If's" in that plan. The only certain thing is maybe Acerbi. With Radu you never know how will be his fitness, and Ramos is to young to relay on, and makes stupid tackles which reminds me a lot of Lorik Cana. Another "acerbi" signing and than we can talk abot making top 4.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: blue_sky on July 12, 2018, 05:07:17 PM
I believe Berisha is a solution for rwb.
At least I believe Inzaghi and or Tare think so

I don't think there's any chance they've bought him to play right wing-back, but he has played there and it's something no one has touched on until now I don't think.

Freund did say when he left Salzburg Berisha was heading here to be a starter, but that's his talk of course.  His natural position is where Sergej plays, just saying.  Of course if Sergej stays Berisha will not play much Serie A, wich leaves him Coppa and EL.  Hard to grasp for a signing of his caliber.

It really feels to me he'll be Parolo's successor.  Within 6 months he'll be 34. Playing left or right that remains to be seen.

As wingback, that would be highly unlikely, to even almost impossible.


Well he was playing classic 442 in Salzburg as left or right midfielder.
He was covered us in European league on left side in 2nd round.
Or maybe, just maybe that Inzaghi will tweak his formation. 442 is on trend now and our material say so. Take a look on so many we have a wider players. Lulic, Radu, Durmizi and Lukaku on the left and Marusic, Patric, Berisha, Lombardi on the right.
And see our center midfielder number. SMS, Leiva, Murgia, Cataldi, Parolo.

Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 12, 2018, 07:34:19 PM
I believe Berisha is a solution for rwb.
At least I believe Inzaghi and or Tare think so

I don't think there's any chance they've bought him to play right wing-back, but he has played there and it's something no one has touched on until now I don't think.

Freund did say when he left Salzburg Berisha was heading here to be a starter, but that's his talk of course.  His natural position is where Sergej plays, just saying.  Of course if Sergej stays Berisha will not play much Serie A, wich leaves him Coppa and EL.  Hard to grasp for a signing of his caliber.

It really feels to me he'll be Parolo's successor.  Within 6 months he'll be 34. Playing left or right that remains to be seen.

As wingback, that would be highly unlikely, to even almost impossible.


Well he was playing classic 442 in Salzburg as left or right midfielder.
He was covered us in European league on left side in 2nd round.
Or maybe, just maybe that Inzaghi will tweak his formation. 442 is on trend now and our material say so. Take a look on so many we have a wider players. Lulic, Radu, Durmizi and Lukaku on the left and Marusic, Patric, Berisha, Lombardi on the right.
And see our center midfielder number. SMS, Leiva, Murgia, Cataldi, Parolo.

If Inzaghi would switch on occassion when needed, like at at Vitesse last season i'd bet on a 4312 or 4321 like he used there.
His midfield system is based on using 3 players.

Salzburg formation in the field showed more of a 4312 with Berisha indeed left or right, mostly left.
They had a clear 442 in the EL once to but then he was one of the central midfielders.

If i suddenly saw a 442 out of nothing after sigining an obvious wingback like Durmisi i'd think Inzaghi was maybe smoking something.  :twinkle:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 12, 2018, 07:42:56 PM
SMS to RM picking pace in the press.

If he does leave, I expect big big bucks, just worried that LoTare will be happy enough with Berisha as the replacement.

If it happens we don't need to spend big money on the exact same position.  Last Inzaghi the focus was more on Sergej but some small changes could change that real quick for thesame formation.

Berisha would actually be ideal for LCM.  I'd like to see us investing then in positions the roster is weaker.  Something extra instead of Ciro, Alberto or 'Wesley'.  Rightwingback, a good future Leiva successor, ....
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: stefano_40 on July 12, 2018, 07:47:38 PM
Berisha would actually be ideal for LCB.

LCM?  :what:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 12, 2018, 08:34:04 PM
Berisha would actually be ideal for LCB.

LCM?  :what:

Obviously .  :beer:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 12, 2018, 09:34:03 PM
Lotito claims some players who are not getting regular minutes have requested to leave and will be sold at the right price.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 12, 2018, 10:28:42 PM
Am I the only one who would prefer a young South american like Luan over Papu Gomez? Papu is a good player, but he's 30 years old and so not a lot of resale value. How many seasons can we get out of player at that age who relies heavily on his pace?
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: lazioserbia on July 12, 2018, 10:40:30 PM
Honestly, I'd take Papu.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 12, 2018, 10:56:37 PM
Lotito claims some players who are not getting regular minutes have requested to leave and will be sold at the right price.

Can only be the following :     Caicedo, Patric, Di Gennaro, Vargic

Could say Bastos also but he expressed the will for another chance.  Wallace, but Inzaghi says fitness issues held him back.
Lukaku can't complain since he's always injured somewhere.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: stefano_40 on July 13, 2018, 12:04:04 AM
Am I the only one who would prefer a young South american like Luan over Papu Gomez? Papu is a good player, but he's 30 years old and so not a lot of resale value. How many seasons can we get out of player at that age who relies heavily on his pace?

Nope, I'm very much with you on this. I posted a numbersy kind of post a while ago going through goals and assists of Gomez and stuff, and they didn't look all too impressive at all. I think it would be a crazy purchase that would cost no less than €10 million..

He's had one good season. That's all.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: blue_sky on July 13, 2018, 01:34:59 AM
Lotito claims some players who are not getting regular minutes have requested to leave and will be sold at the right price.

Can only be the following :     Caicedo, Patric, Di Gennaro, Vargic

Could say Bastos also but he expressed the will for another chance.  Wallace, but Inzaghi says fitness issues held him back.
Lukaku can't complain since he's always injured somewhere.
Lotito means FA.
And he is now in England already.

Times to make rumors.
I throw Lanzano
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: phantomm1976 on July 13, 2018, 01:35:23 AM
 Time after time we forget offload Blacklist...
 I hope we will make it this time.
 Players like Cataldi-Lombardi-Patric shouldnt be a problem-New seria a teams could be the option(or "good old Pioli")
 Kishna-Perea-Mauricio-Ravel - this is the big problem
 Wallace also-we want atleast 8m....
 But 7 m from Biglia and 30m from FA is enough for atleast one good sign.
 We spend around 15m until now,right(Berisha-Durmishi....)
 C'mon Tare....you can do it.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: blue_sky on July 13, 2018, 01:57:14 AM
I believe Berisha is a solution for rwb.
At least I believe Inzaghi and or Tare think so

I don't think there's any chance they've bought him to play right wing-back, but he has played there and it's something no one has touched on until now I don't think.

Freund did say when he left Salzburg Berisha was heading here to be a starter, but that's his talk of course.  His natural position is where Sergej plays, just saying.  Of course if Sergej stays Berisha will not play much Serie A, wich leaves him Coppa and EL.  Hard to grasp for a signing of his caliber.

It really feels to me he'll be Parolo's successor.  Within 6 months he'll be 34. Playing left or right that remains to be seen.

As wingback, that would be highly unlikely, to even almost impossible.


Well he was playing classic 442 in Salzburg as left or right midfielder.
He was covered us in European league on left side in 2nd round.
Or maybe, just maybe that Inzaghi will tweak his formation. 442 is on trend now and our material say so. Take a look on so many we have a wider players. Lulic, Radu, Durmizi and Lukaku on the left and Marusic, Patric, Berisha, Lombardi on the right.
And see our center midfielder number. SMS, Leiva, Murgia, Cataldi, Parolo.

If Inzaghi would switch on occassion when needed, like at at Vitesse last season i'd bet on a 4312 or 4321 like he used there.
His midfield system is based on using 3 players.

Salzburg formation in the field showed more of a 4312 with Berisha indeed left or right, mostly left.
They had a clear 442 in the EL once to but then he was one of the central midfielders.

If i suddenly saw a 442 out of nothing after sigining an obvious wingback like Durmisi i'd think Inzaghi was maybe smoking something.  :twinkle:
442 I mean that with Durmizi on left midfielder with Radu on the left back. While in the right side, it can be Berisha as right midfielder and Marusic is right back. A bit risky with Marusic tough. Cb will be pair of Acerbi-Wallce/Luis Felipe
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Skenderbeu on July 13, 2018, 08:42:07 AM
Shaqiri to take FAs spot in the team? :what: :twinkle:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 13, 2018, 08:43:09 AM
Shaqiri rumour is weird - reports in my part of the world say he's basically a Liverpool player.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Skenderbeu on July 13, 2018, 09:03:06 AM
Shaqiri rumour is weird - reports in my part of the world say he's basically a Liverpool player.

One thing is for sure, if Tare really wants him and Lotito give green light then I'm positive that he will land in Rome. As the DS of Salzburg said (I think it was him): other teams wanted Berisha but Tare spoke Albanian to him and that gave effect. I believe in that.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Dakiller961 on July 13, 2018, 09:05:10 AM
We spend around 15m until now,right(Berisha-Durmishi....)
 C'mon Tare....you can do it.

You forgot Acerbi at 10.5 Mil and sprocati at 2.5 mil , so basically we spent close to 30 mil till date
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Rizmo on July 13, 2018, 10:25:53 AM
Wouldn’t mind replacing FA with De Paul. Very versatile and is unsettled at Udinese, we should take advantage.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 13, 2018, 10:28:27 AM
Wouldn’t mind replacing FA with De Paul. Very versatile and is unsettled at Udinese, we should take advantage.

Had the same thoughts. He's the obvious realistic candidate if we were to look within the league.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: blue-white on July 13, 2018, 11:01:49 AM
This Shaqiri rumor seems to be off (luckily) ....
Transfer to Liverpool seems to be done... waiting for the medical
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 13, 2018, 11:06:08 AM
I honestly think the media have no idea who is replacing Anderson. I think it's that simple.

They are saying Gomez, because they know from last season that there's a chance we might want him, and Luan, because his agent is talking up Lazio - which is probably a surefire sign 1927 are in for him  :razz:

Shaqiri is a lazy rumour based on his shared heritage with Tare. He was a Liverpool player a long time ago from what I can see.

I said it before, I'll say it again - we've 2-3 weeks to see how good Sprocati is. Don't be surprised if we do nothing.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: blue-white on July 13, 2018, 11:10:59 AM
Better to invest the money in another CB in my opinion.... :vcool:

or...Inzaghi changes tactic what i'm not believing.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 13, 2018, 11:19:45 AM
I could post this in a number of threads, but in my opinion, Inzaghi will go to Auronzo with this being his starting XI at the moment:

(3-5-2): Strakosha; Luiz Felipe, Acerbi, Radu; Marusic, Parolo, Leiva, Berisha, Lulic; Luis Alberto; Immobile.

The first thing that will be on his mind is the Berisha-Lulic tandem: who plays where?

The next dilemma is whether Durmisi is ready to break into that team or not and at the expense of who? Lulic? Berisha? Or do we move players around and perhaps take out Parolo?

Then the next headache is what happens when SMS and Caceres come back from vacation. SMS surely walks into the line-up, but who do you cut then?

These problems are created by having many quality players in midfield, many of which could pick up Anderson's minutes. You could play SMS there or Berisha or Murgia or Lulic or Sprocati or make a little change to tactic and play Caicedo, maybe even Wesley if we get him. If anything happened to Luis Alberto, there are at least SIX players who can come in and play there.

And yet on this forum, most people are demanding we add ANOTHER player?  :rolley:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: blue-white on July 13, 2018, 11:29:24 AM
if all are back in training, SMS is back in the starting 11.

Clear, that it will look like that:

Strakosha; Luiz Felipe, Acerbi, Radu; Marusic, Parolo, Leiva, SMS, Lulic; Luis Alberto, Immobile.

Next point is clear in my opinion, that Durmisi will be Lulic sub and Berisha will also have to prove his worth in some games until he can be seen as a starter.
His advantage - he can play instead of SMS, Parolo and LA without any problem, and in my opinion he is the 1st sub for these 3 guys if someone needs a break or is injured. Murgia is the next one in that order - can play instead of Leiva and Parolo too.
Sprocati...we will see.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Giolazio on July 13, 2018, 11:33:48 AM
I like Durmisi but I can't help think we are ok on that side, it's the other side where we are short. Can Durmisi play on the right at all? (I understand Lukaku is leaving but I didn't consider him an option at all really).
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 13, 2018, 12:00:12 PM
I could post this in a number of threads, but in my opinion, Inzaghi will go to Auronzo with this being his starting XI at the moment:

(3-5-2): Strakosha; Luiz Felipe, Acerbi, Radu; Marusic, Parolo, Leiva, Berisha, Lulic; Luis Alberto; Immobile.

The first thing that will be on his mind is the Berisha-Lulic tandem: who plays where?

The next dilemma is whether Durmisi is ready to break into that team or not and at the expense of who? Lulic? Berisha? Or do we move players around and perhaps take out Parolo?

Then the next headache is what happens when SMS and Caceres come back from vacation. SMS surely walks into the line-up, but who do you cut then?

These problems are created by having many quality players in midfield, many of which could pick up Anderson's minutes. You could play SMS there or Berisha or Murgia or Lulic or Sprocati or make a little change to tactic and play Caicedo, maybe even Wesley if we get him. If anything happened to Luis Alberto, there are at least SIX players who can come in and play there.

And yet on this forum, most people are demanding we add ANOTHER player?  :rolley:

Perfect solution to play Sergej and Berisha at times if Alberto needs a rest.  Sergej up front.

Dinhochester would go nuts ...  :twinkle:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Ed on July 13, 2018, 01:42:38 PM
I have no idea what Durmisi will be like so it will be interesting to see how he performs if he's given the chance. Assuming we keep Milinkovic-Savic, I would assume that Berisha will be used an alternative to him or Parolo to start with but with the aim of maybe taking over from Parolo. Sprocati, well is he really going to be a viable option? A 25 year old from Serie B might just be a permanent bench warmer for a season.

One scary thing I noticed when looking up Sprocati; Alessandro Tuia is at Salernitana and he is 28 years old! It doesn't seem five minutes since we were thinking if he might be the new Nesta!
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: dinhochester on July 13, 2018, 01:52:32 PM
I could post this in a number of threads, but in my opinion, Inzaghi will go to Auronzo with this being his starting XI at the moment:

(3-5-2): Strakosha; Luiz Felipe, Acerbi, Radu; Marusic, Parolo, Leiva, Berisha, Lulic; Luis Alberto; Immobile.

The first thing that will be on his mind is the Berisha-Lulic tandem: who plays where?

The next dilemma is whether Durmisi is ready to break into that team or not and at the expense of who? Lulic? Berisha? Or do we move players around and perhaps take out Parolo?

Then the next headache is what happens when SMS and Caceres come back from vacation. SMS surely walks into the line-up, but who do you cut then?

These problems are created by having many quality players in midfield, many of which could pick up Anderson's minutes. You could play SMS there or Berisha or Murgia or Lulic or Sprocati or make a little change to tactic and play Caicedo, maybe even Wesley if we get him. If anything happened to Luis Alberto, there are at least SIX players who can come in and play there.

And yet on this forum, most people are demanding we add ANOTHER player?  :rolley:
But Luis Alberto has big difference in style of play to any of them.
I can see Berisha Sergej Parolo Lulic have similarities but Luis Alberto is different.
I still think Luis Alberto can be sub for Leiva.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 13, 2018, 02:08:21 PM
But Luis Alberto has big difference in style of play to any of them.

Luis Alberto probably has a very different style of play to any player that has walked through Formello in the last 15-20 years.

Are you hoping Lazio sign a player like Luis Alberto? That will be difficult.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: valdanito on July 13, 2018, 02:15:08 PM
We need someone who can take on players, regardless of where he plays. That was the good thing about anderson, if we saw a weak link on the right left or center we would just place him there to take on them over and over again. We really don't have anyone with that quality right now.

That is why I think we need ANOTHER player.  Not to mention the corncerns on the RWB, backups for Leiva and Ciro. And in an ideal world a defender to step in for Bastos and Wallace.


Our market has been ok, but I believe we are still lacking if we want to push for a CL spot.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: dinhochester on July 13, 2018, 02:19:57 PM
But Luis Alberto has big difference in style of play to any of them.

Luis Alberto probably has a very different style of play to any player that has walked through Formello in the last 15-20 years.

Are you hoping Lazio sign a player like Luis Alberto? That will be difficult.
Thats why I dont want Inzaghi create a system that depend on him and once he is unavailable or play bad we cannot adapt. We dont have his sub.
We have to adjust tactically when he is unavailable which is always difficult and the team could not do it.
Perhaps we should sell him. LOL.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: blue_sky on July 13, 2018, 03:19:03 PM
Everyone worry about right side. We saw last time Lulic play there in big game whether vs Juve or Inter, I forgot exactly. But the point is that we have quite vary players for each position.
Maybe it will be no replacement of FA if we get Wesley.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 13, 2018, 03:28:21 PM
We need someone who can take on players, regardless of where he plays. That was the good thing about anderson, if we saw a weak link on the right left or center we would just place him there to take on them over and over again. We really don't have anyone with that quality right now.

That is why I think we need ANOTHER player.

I agree that we could do with a player who has pace somewhere in our attack as we've lost two players in recent seasons with that quality and I made that point earlier in the week.

But we're almost onto preparing for Plan Z rather than Plan B at this point. I think we literally have more options than Inzaghi knows what to do with already.

More than happy for him to figure things out in pre-season, have the club sell 5-10 players and then decide what we need across the team.

I'm thinking about what we 'need' to make the Top 4 next season and be a contender in Europa League. I feel some of these 'needs' are what you try to give the Lopetegui if you are Florentino Perez.

I'd say the club are quite confident the squad today will finish in the Top 4 next season. More than confident, actually.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 13, 2018, 04:32:57 PM
We still need to make changes in that defence if we want to take a top 4 spot.

The midfield look great and I'm confident we will sign someone that will replace Felipe nicely. But that defence is going to cause as many problems as it has the last two season.

We need another strong CB and I would also like to see another right wingback added into the team.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 13, 2018, 04:48:31 PM
We still need to make changes in that defence if we want to take a top 4 spot.

The midfield look great and I'm confident we will sign someone that will replace Felipe nicely. But that defence is going to cause as many problems as it has the last two season.

We need another strong CB and I would also like to see another right wingback added into the team.

But we were 10 minutes away from the Champions League last season. We don't need to be better to take a Top 4 spot - we just need Inter and/or Milan to be 1% more shite than they were last season.

Which, given both have to abide by FFP in the market this summer, isn't that unlikely.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Stefano6 on July 13, 2018, 04:58:51 PM
Im happy with the defense as it is.

Radu had a great season, and the way he is in shape I have no reason to think he cant repeat that for another couple of seasons.
Acerbi is a great buy, at least on level with De Vrij to the extent that I dont think we will miss him.
Caceres had a good World Cup and I think he will do well for us now he has had time to settle in.
Luis Felipe seemed OK when he came in and can only improve.
Wallace is not a disaster when alongside someone who can guide him.

If we played 4 at the back then id be calling for another CB, but 3 at the back with the players weve got, im OK with that.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: phantomm1976 on July 13, 2018, 05:16:02 PM
 Radu had a great season-no doubts
 Ramos is promising-true
 But they play with DV. We defend with 5 men. Two defensive midfielder(Leiva-Parolo) and we concede around 50 goals in serie-a!
 Radu-Ramos could have great seasons but only if Acerbi had perfect ones.
 Imagine defense at the right side :Marusic-Ramos ?!-I m scared .....
 To many players for offload,to many dilema "who could be useful sub".....
 
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 13, 2018, 05:18:04 PM
Gremio DS says Lazio are not interested in Luan. The DS says he was part of the negotiation to bring Anderson to Lazio so when the Luan rumour first hit the press (a long time ago), he called Tare to ask if it was true and was told it's just media speculation. He says Lazio have not been in touch since.

So unless Tare is illegally tapping up Luan or the DS is a liar, Luan ain't coming to us.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 13, 2018, 05:33:20 PM
For me there's only one urgent matter and that's getting another striker.  Caicedo is only usefull with 2 strikers' he's proved that on several occassions. 

Passing that ball to Cordaz after a perfect Felipe assist trough the center was the final straw for me.  If it was saved or on the post or blasted over i would forgive him but again like at Samp he didn't feel like being a striker.  It was our final chance before meeting Inter and it was simply pissed away.  He's got zero killler instinct.  If he stays and we get a new striker fine, if he leaves, even better.

Without Ciro we are playing without a striker, simple.  But i feel very sure Tare will sign one.  Not so sure it will still be Wesley, the signs aren't good.  Only thing that wouod be logical is that he's holding for Felipe cash.

That vice Leiva would also be very welcome, without him available we don't have a DM.

Anything else i far from actually 'needed'.

I believe more in Acerbi then i ever did in De Vrij.  He will guide the current defenders better in crucial moments.  There's Ramos to back him up and for RCB.  Wallace to certainly not give up on.  Radu and Caceres left.  Bastos backup, hopefully improving over the summer tactically.

If Lulic is actually opted for the right if Lukaku stays fine, otherwise Patric or Caceres will have to fill in for Marusic. 

Gremio DS says Lazio are not interested in Luan. The DS says he was part of the negotiation to bring Anderson to Lazio so when the Luan rumour first hit the press (a long time ago), he called Tare to ask if it was true and was told it's just media speculation. He says Lazio have not been in touch since.

So unless Tare is illegally tapping up Luan or the DS is a liar, Luan ain't coming to us.

Good, a possible 20mil fee to be 2nd choice is not something i want for Lazio.  I never believed it anyway.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: dinhochester on July 13, 2018, 05:39:28 PM
Guys dont forget the GK position. Are you convinced with Strakosha?
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 13, 2018, 05:45:28 PM
Guys dont forget the GK position. Are you convinced with Strakosha?

What's left to do?  Proto is here to guide and support him.  Clearly the club has it's opinion made up.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: valdanito on July 13, 2018, 05:52:30 PM

If Lulic is actually opted for the right if Lukaku stays fine, otherwise Patric or Caceres will have to fill in for Marusic. 


I really hope this is not being considered. I really would rather keep Lulic/Durmisi on the left instead of experimenting with lulic playing in the right. And I am hoping Lukaku is on the move toward the PL.

Realistically the most we can hope for is RWB to compete with Marusic and a vice Leiva and vice Ciro. I just hope we get someone interesting for rwb who can actually improve the starting XI.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 13, 2018, 05:58:39 PM

If Lulic is actually opted for the right if Lukaku stays fine, otherwise Patric or Caceres will have to fill in for Marusic. 


I really hope this is not being considered. I really would rather keep Lulic/Durmisi on the left instead of experimenting with lulic playing in the right. And I am hoping Lukaku is on the move toward the PL.

Realistically the most we can hope for is RWB to compete with Marusic and a vice Leiva and vice Ciro. I just hope we get someone interesting for rwb who can actually improve the starting XI.

Sure, i'm fully with you on that but like i said the 2 other positions seem more important to me.
Selling Lukaku would be ideal.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 13, 2018, 06:09:01 PM
That Roger Guedes who was linked to us for weeks has been loaned out to some Chinese outfit. 

Widmer for 4.5mil to Basel.  He was valued 9mil a short while back when linked to Lazio.  Can't say i'm very surprised, he really dropped form.

Vestergaard for 25mil to Gladbach, doubtfull he was on the cards here for that amount.

Zapata becomes Atalanta's 5th first team striker and mostly Gasp uses Ilicic as second.
I've got a feeling we'll be linked to Petagna again very soon.  In Italy trained player ...  :twinkle:

Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Giolazio on July 13, 2018, 06:17:27 PM
That Roger Guedes who was linked to us for weeks has been loaned out to some Chinese outfit. 

Widmer for 4.5mil to Basel.  He was valued 9mil a short while back when linked to Lazio.  Can't say i'm very surprised, he really dropped form.

Vestergaard for 25mil to Gladbach, doubtfull he was on the cards here for that amount.

Zapata becomes Atalanta's 5th first team striker and mostly Gasp uses Ilicic as second.
I've got a feeling we'll be linked to Petagna again very soon.  In Italy trained player ...  :twinkle:

I would have laughed at any Petagna rumour but Lotito blew me away by signing Acerbi, so anything is possible.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: LazioKosovo on July 13, 2018, 07:08:13 PM

If Lulic is actually opted for the right if Lukaku stays fine, otherwise Patric or Caceres will have to fill in for Marusic. 


I really hope this is not being considered. I really would rather keep Lulic/Durmisi on the left instead of experimenting with lulic playing in the right. And I am hoping Lukaku is on the move toward the PL.

Realistically the most we can hope for is RWB to compete with Marusic and a vice Leiva and vice Ciro. I just hope we get someone interesting for rwb who can actually improve the starting XI.

Sure, i'm fully with you on that but like i said the 2 other positions seem more important to me.
Selling Lukaku would be ideal.

For 1o+ million.....yes,
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cataldi4thewin on July 13, 2018, 11:20:40 PM

(3-5-2): Strakosha; Luiz Felipe, Acerbi, Radu; Marusic, Parolo, Leiva, Berisha, Lulic; Luis Alberto; Immobile.


many quality players in midfield, many of which could pick up Anderson's minutes. You could play SMS there or Berisha or Murgia or Lulic or Sprocati or make a little change to tactic and play Caicedo, maybe even Wesley if we get him. If anything happened to Luis Alberto, there are at least SIX players who can come in and play there.

And yet on this forum, most people are demanding we add ANOTHER player?  :rolley:

Really? Honestly, im surprised this came out of you Cathal.

Murgia Lulic Sprocati Berisha Caicedo to take Felipe Anderson's role? Or put SMS there.

Common man. All bad ideas.

Felipe Anderson had little defensive duties and much attacking freedom. Which one of those guys mentioned do you want to fill the role of the offensive hero we will need to rely on to have another successful season. These players are not as offensively brilliant as FA was. FA was inconsistent but when he was on he can really add the spark desperately needed. You actually contradict yourself saying we now lack the speed we once had, then say ah its ok lulic murgia caicedo can fill in the minutes. SMS is box to box, you take away his two way game by putting him in FA's role. SMS is perfect ahead of the defending mid and before the supporting striker.

We need a Papu Gomez or a Paqueta that will drive play forward with brilliance. Papu is so dangerous in the opponent final 3rd.  FA needs to be replaced to restore the offensive brilliance. Also, Caicdeo needs to be replaced so Immobile doesn't burn himself out at the end again. As for the D, if we can sell Bastos or Wallace then absolutely bring in a better D.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 14, 2018, 12:37:26 AM
Petagna is overrated in my opinion. 9 goals in 63 Serie A matches?
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 14, 2018, 12:44:52 AM
Petagna is overrated in my opinion. 9 goals in 63 Serie A matches?

I'd pick Wesely even coming from outside Italy.  Petagna has a little more value now because of playing Serie A and he would mostly be of interest because he's Italian trained and still can develop at his young age.  Wesley has a wider range of potential.  You can't make Petagna a single striker imo, Wesley is an option for both 1st and 2nd position.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: blue_sky on July 14, 2018, 01:08:57 AM
Suddenly news for Wesley is a bit off.
A deadlock I guess.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 14, 2018, 01:13:59 AM
You actually contradict yourself saying we now lack the speed we once had, then say ah its ok lulic murgia caicedo can fill in the minutes.

Not really a contradiction. I WANT more pace in our attack, but I don't think we NEED it to have a successful season. Very straight-forward point.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 14, 2018, 02:20:17 AM
We need a Papu Gomez or a Paqueta that will drive play forward with brilliance. Papu is so dangerous in the opponent final 3rd.  FA needs to be replaced to restore the offensive brilliance. Also, Caicdeo needs to be replaced so Immobile doesn't burn himself out at the end again.

But like Cathal also mentioned a minor change in tactic makes a lot of difference with what type of players you need to have on. 

We were a menace to Juve in the Supercoppa countering with Sergej and Alberto behind Ciro.  No fast winger Felipe present. Also not at Juve in the Serie A. 

And if not countering against lesser teams we play high up and Alberto drops a little deeper creating play.  See how these tactics Inzaghi used are so very different.

Having Felipe come of the bench was a luxuary, but do we need that to play these tactics?

Don't forget with the new arrivels things might certainly lead to yet another style.  Durmisi is fast just like our other wingers but he's the type that likes to go for goal himself, he's no Lukaku who's one dimensional.
Berisha is also fast, much more then Parolo or Murgia.

Your last sentence is very important and i expect some change more often because of it.  Ciro himself said last season he will have to start thinking to conserve energy.  He already realized a full season in this system as lone striker will be getting too much. 

A possible actual 352 might be on the cards, not persé for every game not that, but if we do sign Wesley (or another expensive striker) he won't just be a vice Immobile.  I dare to say i'm quit certain of that.  A 13mil or more striker won't be put on the bench here and get 5 to 10min in a couple of league games all season.

2 strikers up front takes away the need for extra pace and it relieves Ciro more then one would think.

I'm thinking so far on it that i believe 'if' Sergej would leave then Alberto would slide into that position.  He's no box to box but with 2 strikers it also puts less need in always pushing the mezzala very high up.  Wich was very often the case when Alberto was dropping lower in the fascinity of Leiva.

Inzaghi used 4 different setups in attack last season with thesame roster that worked. 
- Alberto behind Ciro, with Alberto as an AM, not a 2nd striker
- Sergej and Alberto as AM's behind Ciro
- Felipe as a 2nd striker or also as AM a couple of times
- Caicedo as 2nd striker


So without Felipe and even Sergej there's still 2 options left and with a new striker with different aspects then Caicedo a brand new option pops up. 

Inzaghi formed his starting lineup 3511 in the beginning because Felipe was injured and stayed with it because Alberto unexpectadly really excelled in his new role.  His style during summerfriendlies was using Felipe as 2nd striker very close to Ciro.  So it was circumstances.

The 3511 could remain exactly thesame.  Even if Sergej would be sold and Berisha steps in.  Or Inzaghi will get a striker he likes or maybe even a fast Felipe replacement and we might see something a little different up front starting next season.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: blue_sky on July 14, 2018, 03:55:27 PM
Llsn and many Portuguese media report that we are after Léo Cittadini. Dual passport Brazil and Italy with expiring contract at the end of this year. 24 years old with typically players am like fa and the same agent also with fa plus played for Santos.
A typical Tare signing. With him plus Wesley, we are all set.
Except if Radu have interest to move to Turkey with Fenerbache, additional cb should be considered
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: lazioserbia on July 14, 2018, 04:17:48 PM
Radu ain't going nowhere. Cuore Laziale  :offlag:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 14, 2018, 04:33:46 PM
Yeah when I read the news about Radu and Fenerbahce I thought well this is the most stupid rumour I've read all summer. Even Andre Gomes joining is more realistic than Radu leaving.

Radu is our bandiera, +10 years here now. I hope when the day comes that he retires I hope he's still part of la Lazio.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: blue_sky on July 14, 2018, 04:37:47 PM
Well you never know. Radu is 32 now. And his contract will expire in 2020.
We have many cases like Radu that in the end is not good ending between two parties. For example Mauri.

So I Don't dismissed it
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 14, 2018, 04:41:24 PM
By the way just one thing about our finances.

Last summer we ended up +45 mill euros in transfers, or there about anyway. This year we've spent just below 30 million euros and we're looking at selling Felipe for between 30 and 40 mill euros. It's also looking like we're selling Lukaku which I reckon will give us between 10 and 20 mill euros.

We're doing well financially with EL prize money, better tv rights deal and also looking at getting a sponsorship that will give the club a good amount of money.

I'm not saying we should go on a spending spree, but I believe we can easily afford making 1 or 2 big signings without putting ourselves at risk financially.

The team looks good, I really like the Berisha signing and I think he will become a huge player for us. I'm also very happy with Riza and Acerbi joining. But I'm not impressed with the right wingback position at all and our central defence needs reinforcements.

At this point I'd prefer Caicedo staying and spending money on a new defender over spending 15 mill euros on a forward and keeping this defence we have now. The defence is the problem in this team, not the midfield of the attackers.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Hadi Van Der Vaart on July 14, 2018, 05:18:53 PM
Well you never know. Radu is 32 now. And his contract will expire in 2020.
We have many cases like Radu that in the end is not good ending between two parties. For example Mauri.

So I Don't dismissed it

What many cases? And what do u mean with not good ending with Mauri?
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: blue_sky on July 14, 2018, 05:21:20 PM
I can say both area defense and attack are need reinforcement.
When Ciro injured last season in critical moment, Caicedo didn't delivered.
If Bastos-Wallace are staying, no reinforcement is foreseen. Instead of rwb that without Patric missed out to Aurunzo, so does Basta?, there's possibility reinforcement in this area. Fagner from Brazil is coming up from media
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: blue_sky on July 14, 2018, 05:27:19 PM
Well you never know. Radu is 32 now. And his contract will expire in 2020.
We have many cases like Radu that in the end is not good ending between two parties. For example Mauri.

So I Don't dismissed it

What many cases? And what do u mean with not good ending with Mauri?
The case with DV, Mauri, Keita which are taken contract in the past minute or worse case, going for free.
Mauri was expected to be renewed but his ages was obstacle. Radu in 2020 will be 34, if you're Lotito, would you renew his like the case Mauri for example? The discussion of contract will takes so much time for players without resale.
And case also with Lukaku & Patric that they are in the end of their contract respectively
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 14, 2018, 05:34:58 PM
Llsn and many Portuguese media report that we are after Léo Cittadini. Dual passport Brazil and Italy with expiring contract at the end of this year. 24 years old with typically players am like fa and the same agent also with fa plus played for Santos.
A typical Tare signing. With him plus Wesley, we are all set.

Cittadini might be another very lazy press rumour, he's been linked to us year in year out since he was 19.

Cittadini plays DM and CM, his strenghts are tackling, blocking and short passing game.
It would be the weirdest Felipe replacement linked so far as they have exactly zero in common.

He's more likely to be the vice Leiva if he's coming.  Altough that would irresponsible. 
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: blue_sky on July 14, 2018, 05:46:05 PM
Llsn and many Portuguese media report that we are after Léo Cittadini. Dual passport Brazil and Italy with expiring contract at the end of this year. 24 years old with typically players am like fa and the same agent also with fa plus played for Santos.
A typical Tare signing. With him plus Wesley, we are all set.

Cittadini might be another very lazy press rumour, he's been linked to us year in year out since he was 19.

Cittadini plays DM and CM, his strenghts are tackling, blocking and short passing game.
It would be the weirdest Felipe replacement linked so far as they have exactly zero in common.

He's more likely to be the vice Leiva if he's coming.  Altough that would irresponsible. 

Then for me he is mostly suitable for Lazio needs. A vise Leiva, free transfer soon, and have Italian passport.
While it doesn't mean also replacement to be exactly a copy type of FA since there is a guy from Saleritana, sorry forget the name, and Leo can also plays that position also tough
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 14, 2018, 05:52:02 PM
Llsn and many Portuguese media report that we are after Léo Cittadini. Dual passport Brazil and Italy with expiring contract at the end of this year. 24 years old with typically players am like fa and the same agent also with fa plus played for Santos.
A typical Tare signing. With him plus Wesley, we are all set.

Cittadini might be another very lazy press rumour, he's been linked to us year in year out since he was 19.

Cittadini plays DM and CM, his strenghts are tackling, blocking and short passing game.
It would be the weirdest Felipe replacement linked so far as they have exactly zero in common.

He's more likely to be the vice Leiva if he's coming.  Altough that would irresponsible. 

Then for me he is mostly suitable for Lazio needs. A vise Leiva, free transfer soon, and have Italian passport.
While it doesn't mean also replacement to be exactly a copy type of FA since there is a guy from Saleritana, sorry forget the name, and Leo can also plays that position also tough

From what i read this kid would fit a mezzala role in our system.  But that makes no sence considering the roster.  Unless Tare sees a vice Alberto in him or something.  Playing dm cm now and then in Brazil is very different then Serie A. 

I'm not taking this serious yet,  might just be another name passing like many before this mercato.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Giolazio on July 14, 2018, 06:07:40 PM
By the way just one thing about our finances.

Last summer we ended up +45 mill euros in transfers, or there about anyway. This year we've spent just below 30 million euros and we're looking at selling Felipe for between 30 and 40 mill euros. It's also looking like we're selling Lukaku which I reckon will give us between 10 and 20 mill euros.

We're doing well financially with EL prize money, better tv rights deal and also looking at getting a sponsorship that will give the club a good amount of money.

I'm not saying we should go on a spending spree, but I believe we can easily afford making 1 or 2 big signings without putting ourselves at risk financially.

The team looks good, I really like the Berisha signing and I think he will become a huge player for us. I'm also very happy with Riza and Acerbi joining. But I'm not impressed with the right wingback position at all and our central defence needs reinforcements.

At this point I'd prefer Caicedo staying and spending money on a new defender over spending 15 mill euros on a forward and keeping this defence we have now. The defence is the problem in this team, not the midfield of the attackers.

It's the same old chat. Find a buyer for Bastos and Wallace then we can talk new defenders.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 14, 2018, 11:46:38 PM
Agent Morbaito has made some predictions on our market:

- He says SMS will stay, because it's best for everyone that he does.

- He believes Papu Gomez will replace Anderson because that's what Inzaghi wants.

- He claims Radu will need to be made one of the highest paid players, suggesting that Radu was covering de Vrij's ass on the field last season. He appeared to insinuate Tare has issues with Radu on a personal level, but has been able to put those aside for the good of Lazio.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 15, 2018, 12:13:32 AM
Agent Morbaito has made some predictions on our market:

- He says SMS will stay, because it's best for everyone that he does.

- He believes Papu Gomez will replace Anderson because that's what Inzaghi wants.

- He claims Radu will need to be made one of the highest paid players, suggesting that Radu was covering de Vrij's ass on the field last season. He appeared to insinuate Tare has issues with Radu on a personal level, but has been able to put those aside for the good of Lazio.

Finally someone says it in the press.   If De Vrij was what we needed we'd have beaten Leverkusen to the CL and Inter in the final game last season.  De Vrij was overrated, he's decent player but he's no leader. 

Concerning Sergej it's what i expect also since the club would not be very populair with the fans letting go of 2 favourites in one summer.  But that's no certainty of course, an astronomical bid cannot be refused if it would come but i really doubt it.

About Gomez.  I understand Inzaghi wanting him because he's at a time where he wants to get real results with Lazio quickly it seems.  But for the club i'm really not a fan of spending all those millions on a 30y old attacker who had one good season in Serie A.  If Tare signs him we'd better get that CL money next summer to make up for that spending.  It's extra pressure i'm not so fond of.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: blue_sky on July 15, 2018, 02:49:47 AM
Agent Morbaito has made some predictions on our market:

- He says SMS will stay, because it's best for everyone that he does.

- He believes Papu Gomez will replace Anderson because that's what Inzaghi wants.

- He claims Radu will need to be made one of the highest paid players, suggesting that Radu was covering de Vrij's ass on the field last season. He appeared to insinuate Tare has issues with Radu on a personal level, but has been able to put those aside for the good of Lazio.

Finally someone says it in the press.   If De Vrij was what we needed we'd have beaten Leverkusen to the CL and Inter in the final game last season.  De Vrij was overrated, he's decent player but he's no leader. 

Concerning Sergej it's what i expect also since the club would not be very populair with the fans letting go of 2 favourites in one summer.  But that's no certainty of course, an astronomical bid cannot be refused if it would come but i really doubt it.

About Gomez.  I understand Inzaghi wanting him because he's at a time where he wants to get real results with Lazio quickly it seems.  But for the club i'm really not a fan of spending all those millions on a 30y old attacker who had one good season in Serie A.  If Tare signs him we'd better get that CL money next summer to make up for that spending.  It's extra pressure i'm not so fond of.
I also think the same that SMS won't leave this summer.
Lotito doesn't care about money. A few years ago, Situation was the same with FA and Manchester, Biglia and Real.
For Papu, i disagree. Papu will not come here since he will compete with FA and seriously we will not buy for +15 mil for benched player.
For Radu, lol. This is an agent game that always play for bargaining position in contract situation.
Imo, we should really consider this Radu situation. Like Biglia, Lulic and Mauri, it can take much time to discuss.
While Radu is not younger and miracle he played +20 games last season. I would renew him but with clause that depends on howany playing in the field for example while Tare shall look for the replacement in this summer. Don't get me wrong about Radu, he is legend here but football have cyclus like Radu ten years ago as he replaced someone here as young player
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: phantomm1976 on July 15, 2018, 03:54:19 AM
 Radu - he could be useful for one more season(but better CD will be better,Stefan as the sub )
 SMS- if someone gives 120 m + ...hard that he will stay
 Gomes - 30 years proven player,experience in serie-a, he would be great sign.
 List of deadwood is still big-we should react smart.
 We dont need Djordjevic case-pay for nothing.
 Where we see our team at Auronzo !!!!-Patric-Cataldi-Basta....waiting for Kishna-Mauricio-Ravel(who is only one who can be usefull).....Wallace will joins them.
 Inzaghi likes Ramos-but we cant risk with him in hard matches.
 
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: dinhochester on July 15, 2018, 04:18:21 AM
What Strakosha need is a stiff competition from a decent goalkeeper that also need to try to prove not a 35 yr old backup. Wrong move by Tare imo.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Jiwa on July 15, 2018, 11:40:58 AM
What Strakosha need is a stiff competition from a decent goalkeeper that also need to try to prove not a 35 yr old backup. Wrong move by Tare imo.

Maybe Tare have high regard to Guerrieri. Not so long ago, he was considered potential young Italian GK. Auronzo is his chance to prove Inzaghi.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 15, 2018, 12:32:18 PM
Now I hope the club buys a young player who's a good dribblers and incredibly fast. Someone with the same profile as Felipe. I like the idea with signing Luan and I think he could do well for us. I am still hoping we steer away from Papu due to his age because a player at that age should be a starter.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: drazvan on July 15, 2018, 04:42:09 PM
From what I read Inzaghi is more in favor of mature experienced players and not of young talents...Berisha, Acerbi,Durmisi, Prato, even Sprocati fit that bill. In fact we did not make a single transfer similar to Felipe os SMS or De Vrij this summer. Bringing also Papu Gomez would give a clear signal that we changed strategy. And to be honest I am not sure if it is such a good idea. We were pretty successful past 2 years bringing above average young players for good prices. Wesley or Luan could fit that bill. I would be more in favor or that.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Hadi Van Der Vaart on July 15, 2018, 06:07:20 PM
About Wallace, I dont know if I translate it correctly, but Anderson invited him to come to West Ham (or just visit London?) when commenting on his IG post.

But Bastos, he is a time bomb on the field, I really hope we sell him when there is any offer.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Alsalman on July 15, 2018, 07:03:42 PM
So Felipe is finally confirmed as sold. I will miss him such a good talent. Hope he ends up somewhere big in the coming years
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Harmi1985 on July 15, 2018, 07:40:42 PM
i will miss Felipe Anderson, he was a game changer and will sorely be missed

maybe this belongs in the fantasy section but i was wondering why we dont go in for Aleksandr Golovin, surely at 30 million rated, we would have the money left over from the Anderson sale to purchase him, i cant see Juventus going in for him now as they have Ronaldo
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 15, 2018, 08:23:59 PM
https://thelaziali.com/2018/07/15/wallace-auronzo-interview/

Clarifying interview with Wallace, thanks to our own Sam Wilson.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Arti on July 16, 2018, 12:06:08 PM
Maybe this won't be popular but personally I am glad we finally sold FA. One season too late imo. This formula has already been exhausted. Shopping time now.  :sciarpa05:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 16, 2018, 12:12:59 PM
From what I read Inzaghi is more in favor of mature experienced players and not of young talents...Berisha, Acerbi,Durmisi, Prato, even Sprocati fit that bill. In fact we did not make a single transfer similar to Felipe os SMS or De Vrij this summer. Bringing also Papu Gomez would give a clear signal that we changed strategy.

I don't really believe in projects, plans and strategy. Nice words, but it's not realistic.

Our objective is to aim for Champions League and do no worse than qualify for Europa League. That's it. We have to remain competitive next season. We signed an experienced player in Acerbi for that reason. I think that was the only signing we had to make looking ahead to next season and challenging for the Champions League.

Proto helps keep us competitive because he puts pressure on Strakosha. There are other moves we could make that would aid us further, but we can still push for a Top 4 spot without making those signings. I can say that because we pushed for Top 4 this season with virtually the same team.

The rest of our market strengthens us this season but really puts us in a better position 2, 3, 4 years down the line. At that point in time, SMS may have moved on and Lulic and Parolo may have retired. In signing Durmisi, Berisha, Sprocati - adding to Luis Alberto, Murgia, Marusic etc. - we can see a future for this team.

When we started signing talents in 2014-15 - when everyone seemed to expect big names as part of a Champions League push - investing in youth was the most sensible course of action. Mauri, Klose, Konko, Ledesma all wound down their careers, the likes of Candreva, Bigla, Keita etc. wanted out and then players such as Cana, Ciani, Novaretti etc. were not up to it. That team everyone wanted to build on... time has shown, that was a pipe dream...

Had we had the kind of market most people wanted three years ago, trust me, we'd be completely ****ed now. And our market, so far, has been all about making sure we're not ****ed again in another few years.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 16, 2018, 01:49:45 PM
I've been quick to dismiss TMW as a source over the years, but they've been quick to break a few Lazio transfers this summer and so I'm paying a little more attention to them.

When Anderson first seemed out the door, they were clear - Gonzalo Martinez of River Plate is our guy.

I also think, when you look at all the candidates, this is the one that stands out as an Anderson replacement. He can play anywhere in midfield and is absurdly talented. It's Anderson 2.0 at 1/3 of Anderson's price (15 million euro release clause)

Now in Argentina, they claim Martinez' agent is in Rome to discuss a deal. And I'm keeping an eye.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Ghost of Felipe Anderson on July 16, 2018, 01:55:06 PM
I've been quick to dismiss TMW as a source over the years, but they've been quick to break a few Lazio transfers this summer and so I'm paying a little more attention to them.

When Anderson first seemed out the door, they were clear - Gonzalo Martinez of River Plate is our guy.

I also think, when you look at all the candidates, this is the one that stands out as an Anderson replacement. He can play anywhere in midfield and is absurdly talented. It's Anderson 2.0 at 1/3 of Anderson's price (15 million euro release clause)

Now in Argentina, they claim Martinez' agent is in Rome to discuss a deal. And I'm keeping an eye.
Great if true! Martinez is such an exciting player. Not quite as fast as FA, but his dribbling skills are off the charts. He would be a joy to watch.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 16, 2018, 02:01:30 PM
Great if true! Martinez is such an exciting player. Not quite as fast as FA, but his dribbling skills are off the charts. He would be a joy to watch.

We'll see if it's true, but from what I gather, he has the same issue: stupidly talented but inconsistent and frustrates some supporters.

But the media have taken about 100 guesses at this 'Mr. X' and I would make this guy the frontrunner. If we want another Anderson, this is the standout candidate. If we want something else, then it's a different story.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: dinhochester on July 16, 2018, 02:25:29 PM
I would prefer if we dont sign another player with similar playing style with Felipe. I prefer we sign another striker like Caicedo and playing with two strikers. Inzaghi should try playing Luis Alberto as a central midfielder. Even tough he perform really well last season as second striker.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 16, 2018, 02:33:41 PM
He seems to be an expensive player, 20 mill euros at least.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: valdanito on July 16, 2018, 02:46:07 PM
MArtinez has a 15m release clause, Lazio would be looking to begotitate with River to get a discount.

Could be a good deal, he has one heck of a left foot and is incredibly talented. Like Cathal mentioned, his main issue is consistency.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: lazioserbia on July 16, 2018, 02:50:14 PM
MArtinez has a 15m release clause, Lazio would be looking to begotitate with River to get a discount.

Could be a good deal, he has one heck of a left foot and is incredibly talented. Like Cathal mentioned, his main issue is consistency.

So he's like a left-footed Felipe?  :razz:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 16, 2018, 03:06:36 PM
So he's like a left-footed Felipe?  :razz:

I'd say so, with positional similarities to Hernanes, with a penchant for tricks and flicks like SMS, with some of the creative flair of Luis Alberto.

It's the fact he can't seem to do this week in week out in Argentina - and it's Argentina, not Italy - that makes him affordable and attainable.

The prospect of getting that player week in week out in Serie A would obviously be exciting.

EDIT: Anyway, his agent claims he's negotiating in London and Lazio haven't been in touch. Could be classic negotiation tactic, could be the plain truth.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 16, 2018, 04:46:53 PM
Piece of info for the forum - something that is apparently common knowledge, but I'm only hearing about now! And I'm not sure it's well-known around here given our discussions...

Bruno Jordao and Pedro Neto - the full 25.5 million euro only to be paid if they play a certain amount of minutes over a certain period of time.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 16, 2018, 04:57:47 PM
(https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/phew.gif?w=620&h=392&crop=1)
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 16, 2018, 04:58:49 PM
Can't say for sure, but apparently that's the case. Price depends on minutes. We'll find out eventually, I guess.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: valdanito on July 16, 2018, 05:22:32 PM
That would be a huge ammount of relief. First time I hear of it too.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: lazioserbia on July 16, 2018, 06:00:27 PM
Shady business with Mendes. I don't like this at all.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 16, 2018, 07:49:10 PM
Piece of info for the forum - something that is apparently common knowledge, but I'm only hearing about now! And I'm not sure it's well-known around here given our discussions...

Bruno Jordao and Pedro Neto - the full 25.5 million euro only to be paid if they play a certain amount of minutes over a certain period of time.

Not surprised since the facts were kept quiet so much more then usual.
I would assume we are paying a loan fee and if they don't meet requirements we send them back.

So the most of the Keita 30mil could still go in the pocket.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: valdanito on July 16, 2018, 09:07:28 PM
Piece of info for the forum - something that is apparently common knowledge, but I'm only hearing about now! And I'm not sure it's well-known around here given our discussions...

Bruno Jordao and Pedro Neto - the full 25.5 million euro only to be paid if they play a certain amount of minutes over a certain period of time.

Not surprised since the facts were kept quiet so much more then usual.
I would assume we are paying a loan fee and if they don't meet requirements we send them back.

So the most of the Keita 30mil could still go in the pocket.

I don't think sending them back is an option. My guess is the fee will be lower based on the facts they dd not reach x ammount of minutes over x ammount of time. The 25.5 will only be paid if they reach the parameters set.

Other fee could be 10-15-20-24.5 who knows.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 16, 2018, 09:22:22 PM
Zazzaroni, chief editor of Corsport, said today that Lotito negotiates with one great name, that commands  high wage and pretty hefty expensive transfer cost.

Source is one of least credible lately but just to report it.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 16, 2018, 09:24:35 PM
Looks like Prce's transfer is taking form.  Permanent move to Omonia Nicosia on the books.

And Di Gennaro stated he intends to prove his worth as Lazio is his big achievement.  Not thinking about leaving it seems.

Zazzaroni, chief editor of Corsport, said today that Lotito negotiates with one great name, that commands  high wage and pretty hefty expensive transfer cost.

Source is one of least credible lately but just to report it.

Let's assume that won't be Martinez. 
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Don on July 16, 2018, 09:37:22 PM
Zazzaroni, chief editor of Corsport, said today that Lotito negotiates with one great name, that commands  high wage and pretty hefty expensive transfer cost.

Source is one of least credible lately but just to report it.

Alejandro Gomez.... :whistle: :razz:

Just kidding... what is it about him? Dead rumour?
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 16, 2018, 09:47:19 PM
Zazzaroni, chief editor of Corsport, said today that Lotito negotiates with one great name, that commands  high wage and pretty hefty expensive transfer cost.

Source is one of least credible lately but just to report it.

Alejandro Gomez.... :whistle: :razz:

Just kidding... what is it about him? Dead rumour?

Yeah, he added that name is secret only closest associates of Lotito know and didn't appear in media at all. Would write of Gomez, because Gomez really didn't check any of boxes. It's evergreen for more than one year and don't consider him 'great' that would command any excessive fees for club like Lazio.  :supsmile:

Gomez today stated that he would love to play to play in one great club but he never had conversation with Lazio.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Miro on July 16, 2018, 11:00:22 PM
Maybe that Mr. X is Aleksandr Golovin? haha He is a hot commodity on the transfer market now. He could play a variety of positions and could be the eventual replacement for Sergej.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 16, 2018, 11:21:07 PM
If we're going to guess, Juan Mata.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Secret_Samadhi on July 16, 2018, 11:36:54 PM
I say Messi. He is the only name that hasn't been rumoured to Lazio. He fits all the parameters, plus he is argentinian. Lazio have great history with argentinian top players.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 16, 2018, 11:42:08 PM
If we're going to guess, Juan Mata.

An educated guess  :bravo:

Not a starter anymore at Utd.  Probably ready to leave the PL. 
Big name, excellent to promote Lazio.  Another move like with Klose, except still very pricy.  :twinkle: :beer:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Miro on July 16, 2018, 11:50:15 PM
If we're going to guess, Juan Mata.

haha fair enough. This is pure speculation. Before we signed Bastos, his team was 'interested' in him. And currently, they are looking to sign at least one center back. Vasin will come off ligament injury, Berezutski twins are 36 this year, and their other center backs are not the greatest. Bastos would pretty much walk into their starting 11. If we are looking to offload him this summer, it would make sense to try to offload him to a Russian team. We were already 'linked' this summer with Golovin's teammate Dzagoev.

Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Eaton_swfc on July 16, 2018, 11:56:50 PM
If we're going to guess, Juan Mata.

If we're going for old Man U players I'm going for Darmian / Antonio Valencia.

 :vcool:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Eaton_swfc on July 16, 2018, 11:59:04 PM
SCRAP THAT ... ITS SEBASTIAN GIOVINCO

it's in English media

 :bravo:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 17, 2018, 12:03:55 AM
If we're going to guess, Juan Mata.

If we're going for old Man U players I'm going for Darmian / Antonio Valencia.

 :vcool:

Old?  Carefull now ....  :twinkle:

But still, Mata is 30.  Klose was older when he arrived.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 17, 2018, 12:05:16 AM
Anyhow, as expected social media is going with Robben.   Already applauding Lotito's marketing stunt when signing him.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 17, 2018, 12:25:36 AM
I doubt the Robben rumour is true, I mean ffs the guy is 34 years old. Anyway I hope he doesn't join Lazio because I can't stand his diving.

Not sure what to believe about this Mr X. When was the last time Lotito signed a player like Andre Gomes, Fabregas etc like some of the stupid names that comes up?  :supsmile:

The giovinco rumour is more realistic, but again big no thanks for me. We need hungry players and ideally someone young who is ok with being on the bench sometimes.

I hope it's someone like Luan or Gonzalo Martinez. A young player with flair, someone who can bring something that we don't see from the LA and Ciro duo usually. Someone Inzaghi can put in to open a tight defence.

edit: Oh lol Cathal you mentioned Fabregas. hmmm I don't know, sure he's a big player.  But there's no way in hell he'd come here to sit on the bench.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Eaton_swfc on July 17, 2018, 12:28:31 AM
Calcio Mercato in England reporting it's Giovinco.

Rumour ties perfectly with what was said a couple of pages back.

If we replaced FA with Giovinco and Luan or the Argentinian kid I'd be ecstatic !
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 17, 2018, 01:00:37 AM
Crni noted the names hasn't been in the media according to the rumour.  A hefty transferfee and wage would be required.

Giovinco has a 6 month contract left and is valued at 7mil.  Not a big name and not expensive.

Probably an attacker we should assume.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Gianni Calcio on July 17, 2018, 01:25:42 AM
Calcio Mercato in England reporting it's Giovinco.

Rumour ties perfectly with what was said a couple of pages back.

If we replaced FA with Giovinco and Luan or the Argentinian kid I'd be ecstatic !

I hope not! I live in Toronto the club is doing terrible this season after winning it all last. Maybe they might want a change and let him go. But honestly i dont want him at Lazio.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: blue_sky on July 17, 2018, 07:50:25 AM
Carlos tevez or Ibra
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Stefano6 on July 17, 2018, 08:48:57 AM
I assume this unnamed superstar is in case of SMS leaving, because I doubt we could afford him otherwise?

Im thinking along with Cathal, Mata, or Fabregas.
But I cant see either coming.. transfer fee we could probably do, but their wages no way, would easily be 3 times what Ciro is on.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 17, 2018, 09:02:52 AM
I assume this unnamed superstar is in case of SMS leaving, because I doubt we could afford him otherwise?

That appears to be what the media are suggesting, although 'Mister X' initially started out last week as an unnamed player Lazio had lined up to replace Felipe Anderson.

I suggested Mata simply because I've had him in mind in the past as the kind of player - and person - that Lotito would take a shine to. I could see Man U selling him cheap, I could see Lazio being interested given our situation. The bit I struggle to see is how we would pay his salary, or the salary of any 'Mister X' for that matter. Robben and Fabregas are on more money.

In any case, I'd take it all with a pinch of salt, but it's fun to try and guess.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Ed on July 17, 2018, 09:23:07 AM
While we are hearing Robben's name, how about a couple more from Bayern? Muller might want a change after a couple of poor seasons and World Cup misery? Ribery could be another older star who would fit the Klose transfer profile?

I'm not saying I want either player and wage wise these would not really be possible but Fabregas and Mata were mentioned so...?
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Stefano6 on July 17, 2018, 09:51:52 AM
Personally id be really happy with someone like Mata or Fabregas, but only if their wages were lower, no more than what Ciro is on.. it would set a bad precedent for the squad and potentially unrest.

Both players are over 30, perhaps would be willing to lower their wage in return for the last long term deal of their careers and the chance to retire in a top league.
But they will also likely have offers from abroad for big wages, so I guess its whether they choose money or want to still play at a high level.

On the pitch I think either could give us 4 or 5 good years, and both strike me as great people off the pitch.

But I think its fantasy.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: jovo on July 17, 2018, 10:18:21 AM
At this point i think it's a good thing if we take a high profile player in our rooster. Not only for the instant impact on the field but for the whole team's self-confidence.(the only negative is no resale value)
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: LazioKosovo on July 17, 2018, 10:26:09 AM
Jovo, Klose had 0 resale value. Nevertheless, if SMS is to be sold, which is very likely, I think that Fabregas is very doable. Although, from mentioned names, I would go after Mata. A year younger, a little less talented than David Silva who is fed up being mistreated by Mourinho. Let's see. 
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Biancocelesti on July 17, 2018, 10:35:08 AM
I'm pretty sure that all the signs so far in the media are pointing towards Papu Gomez, who I honestly would be very happy with.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: jovo on July 17, 2018, 10:40:03 AM
Jovo, Klose had 0 resale value. Nevertheless, if SMS is to be sold, which is very likely, I think that Fabregas is very doable. Although, from mentioned names, I would go after Mata. A year younger, a little less talented than David Silva who is fed up being mistreated by Mourinho. Let's see.
I think that every player that is circulating in the press is not comparable with Klose. He is the biggest profesional i have ever seen and a born champion. Will we have the same luck two times? We will see
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Agent Orange on July 17, 2018, 10:51:14 AM
Lewandowski? Some day i think he will play for us, it's a gut feeling i have, but i guess it will take some more years before he comes, like Klose!
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: mikitsi on July 17, 2018, 11:53:12 AM
What do you think about Badstuber / Glik coming to Lazio? No rumours lately, but still.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 17, 2018, 11:56:59 AM
I think Badstuber renewed with Stuttgart, so he's probably out.

Glik was always an ambitious idea. I doubt he'd come here and not sure I'd want him now we have Acerbi.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Stefano6 on July 17, 2018, 11:57:28 AM
Badstuber renewed with Stuttgart so thats not happening.
Glik may still move from Monaco, but now we have Acerbi I doubt we will buy him.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: drazvan on July 17, 2018, 12:10:18 PM
By the way, I wouldnt mind signing Robben. The guy did not decrease in quality so far, just his phisical condition might be of concern. But as a backup and for inspiration source, why not? Problem is that i dont think he is interested. He is declaring all over the media about how fit he is and how he is looking forward for the next season at bayern...
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: drazvan on July 17, 2018, 12:26:05 PM
Interesting that Petagna will join SPAL for 2 mil plus 10 in case they stay in serie A...i guess the 25 mil proce they were asking when we were interested was media invention. And probably we were never interested, i dont believe that he would choose to go to SPAL if there was a chance to join us.

And another media favorite - Pasalic - is almost signed by Fiorentina...
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Harmi1985 on July 17, 2018, 12:40:46 PM
dont you mean Atalanta?  :rolley:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Ghost of Felipe Anderson on July 17, 2018, 01:47:51 PM
As for Robben, his by far best position doesn't exist in our system. He played at a worldclass level for a long time and would probably still do a decent job for us cutting inside from the right wing in a classic 4-3-3. But I can't imagine him playing behind Ciro, at wingback or in midfield. Robben would most likely turn out to be Nani 2.0.

I like Pity Martinez or Luan more than Papu Gomez, mostly because of age and price tag. Papu is without a doubt an above average Serie A player, but his style and size don't go well with age. Same can be said about Giovinco. Obviously building a squad that is able to win right away has a high priority and therefore seasoned players with Serie A experience are more suited to make an immediate impact. But investing many millions into a 30 year old player usually isn't a great idea for a club like Lazio. Acerbi is an exception, because he plays in defense and is supposed to be the new leader of our back three. Considering the state of our defense last season, Acerbi is worth every penny. Players like Leiva and Klose are rare exceptions as well: they were at worldclass clubs prior to joining us and brought some of that worldclass flair to us.

Now if we get Papu Gomez at less than 10m, I'm all for it. But for 15m I'd rather take the punt on El Pity. A player of his talent isn't usually in our ballpark, but inconsistency and some other issues in his earlier life make a deal realistic for us. FA wasn't consistent either, but still a great player to watch and has now earned us a good chunk of money. Could imagine a similar path for Martinez.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Hadi Van Der Vaart on July 17, 2018, 02:03:17 PM
Juan Mata is one of players who MU chose to present their new jersey for next season, I doubt he will leave this mercato.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 17, 2018, 02:08:03 PM
Juan Mata is one of players who MU chose to present their new jersey for next season, I doubt he will leave this mercato.

Their most famous player not on vacation. But it was just a suggestion; wouldn't get carried away.

Although I did look to see if Lazio had a bookmaker's price for any big player linked with a move from their current club this summer. That was the case when we were linked to RVP, for example.

Found one example - Juan Mata  :razz:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 17, 2018, 04:11:48 PM
This afternoon local media surrounding Club Brugge are saying it's gone quiet about Wesley but negotiations never stopped.
They claim a deal is finally on for 12mil + a possible bonus later on.

I'm hesitant no less, the player is curently very involved in preperations on a starting spot.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Arti on July 17, 2018, 04:49:29 PM
Please stop with Robben. Too old, too contusive, totally does not fit us and is selfish. We do not need more fights like FA.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Secret_Samadhi on July 17, 2018, 06:00:38 PM
Robben, Lewandowski, Müller, Juan Mata, Fabregas. Did I just enter an another dimension where Cragnotti is still Lazio president?
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Juzko on July 17, 2018, 06:16:04 PM
Robben, Lewandowski, Müller, Juan Mata, Fabregas. Did I just enter an another dimension where Cragnotti is still Lazio president?

The last couple of pages should go under the "Your fantastico market" thread.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Jimmy on July 17, 2018, 07:25:26 PM
Robben, Lewandowski, Müller, Juan Mata, Fabregas. Did I just enter an another dimension where Cragnotti is still Lazio president?

The last couple of pages should go under the "Your fantastico market" thread.

Let's add Theo Walcott to the list for the sake of it  :whistle:  :wow:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: stefano_40 on July 17, 2018, 07:31:38 PM
Kinda get the feeling this "signing", if it happens at all, might be a Nani style signing. A relatively big name, content to not start everything game, that will bring in more supporters to the club and give us more of a name worldwide.

Personally, this rules Mata and Fabregas out, as they would want to start, and rightly so. Great if we could do it, but can't see it.
Robben and Ribery don't fit the system at all, but neither did Nani really I guess. Too old and out of position to bother with I reckon.
Muller and Lewandowski are way out of our league. Quit dreaming.
Gomez doesn't fit in terms of being a big name. He just isn't known outside of Italy at all really.

Realistically, it's gonna have to be Lucas Leiva 2.0 to keep me happy. But I reckon we just got very lucky last summer..
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 17, 2018, 07:39:02 PM
Robben and Ribery don't fit the system at all, but neither did Nani really I guess.

Just for fun, Robben would actually fit the system.  At least with some minor attacking adjustments.
His role in Holland's 5-3-2 under Van Gaal made him more dangerous then his usual wingposition.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 17, 2018, 07:50:12 PM
Franjo Prce signed a 3y deal at Omonia Nicosia.  The 22y old leftfooted defender has left Lazio permanently.
The transferfee has not yet been revealed.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Miro on July 17, 2018, 08:41:47 PM
We can forget about Giovinco, his agent confirmed that he won't be leaving Toronto. It's probably for the best because Giovinco has been a shadow of himself this season and Toronto has been garbage. I highly doubt he would take a huge pay cut to come to Italy anyway, he earns something like 7 million per year.

Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Boksic on July 17, 2018, 09:36:17 PM
As we dealt with Sevilla in the past to sign Immobile, I wouldnt find it far fetched if we end up with Ganso who is out of favour there. He would fit as a sub for LA even if I think he doesnt posses enough quality. Sevilla wouldnt ask for too much of a transfer fee for him.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 17, 2018, 11:38:54 PM
Franco Vasquez is also  a player we're looking at, supposedly. Not sure if he'd fit in with the tactic we play, but he was a good player in Serie A.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 17, 2018, 11:52:49 PM
Franco Vasquez is also  a player we're looking at, supposedly. Not sure if he'd fit in with the tactic we play, but he was a good player in Serie A.

I'm not thinking about this twice.  He's was a starter at Sevilla in either what formation they played. 
He plays behind the striker by nature as he lacks the aspects to play CM.  He was at his best at Palermo as 2nd striker in a 3-5-1-1 so the press are surely making an easy connection.  Another lazy rumour.

Giving up a starting spot at Sevilla to become Alberto's sub at Lazio i don't see happening.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 18, 2018, 12:13:08 PM
Laxalt set to move to Bournemouth in a 28 million euro deal.

Now I get it.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Stefano6 on July 18, 2018, 12:17:58 PM
That is far too much for him.. ive never understood the obsession, I dont think hes that great..
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Harmi1985 on July 18, 2018, 01:39:09 PM
if Bournemouth are willing to pay 28 million for laxalt, then if west ham are truly interested in lukaku, we should sell him for at least 40  :fingerup:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 18, 2018, 01:45:37 PM
To be fair he was one of the better players in the Uruguay NT and I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up being a solid player in the Pl.

In my humble opinion..he's very underrated.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 18, 2018, 02:32:01 PM
Alessio Miceli is said to be on the verge of signing for Feralpi Salo in Serie C. Furthermore, a list of youth players released by their clubs has been published and one of the departures is 'Venezuelan Messi', Matias Lacava.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: lazioserbia on July 18, 2018, 02:41:10 PM
Alessio Miceli is said to be on the verge of signing for Feralpi Salo in Serie C. Furthermore, a list of youth players released by their clubs has been published and one of the departures is 'Venezuelan Messi', Matias Lacava.

Does that mean we're not interested in the Iranian Messi anymore?  :twinkle:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Rizmo on July 18, 2018, 03:01:43 PM
Miceli looked promising the minutes he got with the first team. Hopefully we have a buy back clause.

So we’re releasing Lacavia? How old is he now? He should get a shot in the Primavera.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 18, 2018, 03:09:06 PM
Miceli looked promising the minutes he got with the first team. Hopefully we have a buy back clause.

So we’re releasing Lacavia? How old is he now? He should get a shot in the Primavera.

Miceli didn't have a contract with us, so I doubt we've 'sold' him, so to speak.

Lacava is almost 16 and spent most of last season on the bench of the Under 15s. 'Venezuelan Messi' he is not.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: blue_sky on July 18, 2018, 03:42:35 PM
Now I am bit see the pattern for primavera.
Miceli is out and everyone see him as promising.
While I see the promising is that Mohammed and still here.
I wonder the more rated players for primavera are the players who are still here while the less rated one are gone
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 18, 2018, 04:52:07 PM
This topic has gone a bit quiet. That might be about to change.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: lazioserbia on July 18, 2018, 04:53:11 PM
1927 just sold their best player.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: valdanito on July 18, 2018, 04:55:00 PM
This topic has gone a bit quiet. That might be about to change.

I hate it when you do that!
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 18, 2018, 05:03:02 PM
This topic has gone a bit quiet. That might be about to change.

I hate it when you do that!

Good, because some of us have to endure the same feeling about five minutes earlier  :razz:

Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 18, 2018, 05:23:38 PM
This topic has gone a bit quiet. That might be about to change.

This evening, tomorrow morning? It's fine, sunny day in Rome, nice time for evening walk. It's been seven years from Lotito's famous walk with Klose.  :supsmile:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 18, 2018, 05:50:50 PM
This topic has gone a bit quiet. That might be about to change.

This evening, tomorrow morning? It's fine, sunny day in Rome, nice time for evening walk. It's been seven years from Lotito's famous walk with Klose.  :supsmile:

Put it this way - Anderson to West Ham was a 'done deal' almost a week before it was 'official'.

Wouldn't be sitting in front of screens hitting F5 all evening, but wouldn't log off for a week either.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: LazioKosovo on July 18, 2018, 05:54:58 PM
1927 just sold their best player.

In my books very over-rated. Liverpool (or how they call them: Looserpool) has chosen to give 70+ million to goal-keeper whom they scored 7 goals 2-3 months ago. This is why they will keep not winning silverware.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 18, 2018, 06:49:57 PM
This topic has gone a bit quiet. That might be about to change.

 :supsmile: :supsmile: :supsmile:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: lazioserbia on July 18, 2018, 06:53:10 PM
What are you guys on about? Val, Cathal, ilsemprelaziale?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: lazioserbia on July 18, 2018, 06:56:51 PM
1927 just sold their best player.

In my books very over-rated. Liverpool (or how they call them: Looserpool) has chosen to give 70+ million to goal-keeper whom they scored 7 goals 2-3 months ago. This is why they will keep not winning silverware.

Well, it's a lot of money and I wouldn't pay that much, but don't forget that Hoedt cost 17 million...

I wouldn't call him a bad goalkeeper just for conceding many goals in one game. Karius conceded just one goal less than Alison in those two games but that doesn't mean he's anywhere near him in terms of quality.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Stefano6 on July 18, 2018, 07:42:07 PM
I think Alisson is a very good goalkeeper, and the fact that he isnt playing for Roma anymore is good news for us!

Even better is that they want to replace him with Areala from PSG, and he is not as good
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: lazioserbia on July 18, 2018, 07:55:11 PM
I think Alisson is a very good goalkeeper, and the fact that he isnt playing for Roma anymore is good news for us!

Even better is that they want to replace him with Areala from PSG, and he is not as good

Exactly, but Areola is good. At least from what I've seen...but he is going to cost them a lot.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: blue-white on July 18, 2018, 08:17:19 PM
This topic has gone a bit quiet. That might be about to change.

 :supsmile:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 18, 2018, 08:27:27 PM
What are you guys on about?

We're being led to believe there is a 'Mister X' level signing. X remains X. But told to expect Mister X to arrive.

Took a few guesses at said player's identity, guessed wrongly. I guessed Robben and Gomez.

One of the above players is a legit target for Lazio in this window and we should perhaps expect their arrival at some point. Clue: it's not Robben.

Hope that makes it clear  :razz: All I'm saying.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Secret_Samadhi on July 18, 2018, 08:55:33 PM
I hate Mister X. I am waiting for him since 2009.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 18, 2018, 09:17:13 PM
Catch with those Mister X is that journalist that brokered story can't wrong - if some player really arrives he may always said 'Oh yeah, that's mine guy' or 'Nah, it was other (name one), this was plan B, actually (and invent behind-the-scene plot)'.

On other side, if no one arrives it always that negotiation stuck at some point due to some x, y reason. Journalist can't lose.  :supsmile:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Rizmo on July 18, 2018, 10:03:06 PM
What are you guys on about?

We're being led to believe there is a 'Mister X' level signing. X remains X. But told to expect Mister X to arrive.

Took a few guesses at said player's identity, guessed wrongly. I guessed Robben and Gomez.

One of the above players is a legit target for Lazio in this window and we should perhaps expect their arrival at some point. Clue: it's not Robben.

Hope that makes it clear  :razz: All I'm saying.

Didn’t you guess Mata and said Mr X hadn’t been rumored in the press? And now you tell me Gomez is Mr X? I will be severely disappointed and a little upset if we sign Gomez.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 18, 2018, 10:14:12 PM
Name of Pedro Rodriguez pops up. Lazio ready to give him 2.7 million per year and around 23 milion + bonuses to Chelsea. Clubs in contact for more than month and Pedro more than happy to arrive.

Would make sense.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 18, 2018, 10:17:40 PM
Didn’t you guess Mata and said Mr X hadn’t been rumored in the press? And now you tell me Gomez is Mr X? I will be severely disappointed and a little upset if we sign Gomez.

Lazio are in for Gomez AND a Mister X calibre player.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 18, 2018, 10:50:20 PM
Didn’t you guess Mata and said Mr X hadn’t been rumored in the press? And now you tell me Gomez is Mr X? I will be severely disappointed and a little upset if we sign Gomez.

Lazio are in for Gomez AND a Mister X calibre player.

In that case Pedro can't be mister X since he's on thesame position.
Or it's Pedro or Gomez.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Giolazio on July 18, 2018, 10:58:36 PM
Didn’t you guess Mata and said Mr X hadn’t been rumored in the press? And now you tell me Gomez is Mr X? I will be severely disappointed and a little upset if we sign Gomez.

Lazio are in for Gomez AND a Mister X calibre player.

In that case Pedro can't be mister X since he's on thesame position.
Or it's Pedro or Gomez.

No Gomez looks to be on. Mister X must be a different position.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 18, 2018, 11:18:55 PM
Name of Pedro Rodriguez pops up. Lazio ready to give him 2.7 million per year and around 23 milion + bonuses to Chelsea. Clubs in contact for more than month and Pedro more than happy to arrive.

Would make sense.

And now it's common knowledge. Mister X...
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Giolazio on July 18, 2018, 11:21:38 PM
Name of Pedro Rodriguez pops up. Lazio ready to give him 2.7 million per year and around 23 milion + bonuses to Chelsea. Clubs in contact for more than month and Pedro more than happy to arrive.

Would make sense.

And now it's common knowledge. Mister X...

Unreal.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: gibson_lp2 on July 18, 2018, 11:31:34 PM
23million for a 30 year old??

I posted we should get him a few years ago when he left Barca and got laughed at. Not as excited about him now as I was then. But still should improve the team. I hope.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Giolazio on July 18, 2018, 11:34:15 PM
23million for a 30 year old??

I posted we should get him a few years ago when he left Barca and got laughed at. Not as excited about him now as I was then. But still should improve the team. I hope.

He could have 4 or 5 good seasons left in him in Serie A. If it happens it'll probably be our biggest profile signing in the Lotito era.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 18, 2018, 11:44:33 PM
Since I was being vague and cryptic, the news we got today was that a big name player was en route. Took a few guesses (Wesley, Robben, Gomez) and was told 'no'.

Based on Mister X reports, figured name wasn't in media and expected name to come out sooner rather than later. After Djordje mentioned Pedro Rodriguez, I dropped the name and got 'yep' in reply.

Not saying we've signed him or will sign him, but seems to have got out today that Pedro Rodriguez is damn close.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 18, 2018, 11:46:54 PM
It's indeed a name as mentioned.  Personally i've never been a fan, ever.  Of course it's hard to predict how he will do in Serie A and especially in the 3-5-2 formation wich might bring out the best in him.

It's a Klose type of signing for the new system, simple as that.  It will make the Lotito haters a little more quiet, sell extra shirts, create more viewers, more media attention, .....

Personally and without doubt i would much rather see that money go into signing young and obvious talent.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: lazioserbia on July 18, 2018, 11:57:32 PM
Personally i've never been a fan, ever. 

Me neither. Then again, better than aunt Robben.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: LazioKosovo on July 19, 2018, 12:07:27 AM
Alisson is good, actually very good, but not 75 million euros good. For me, he was Szcsesny's sub for a good reason. The latter was sold for 13 million while (one year later) the former for 75 million. With such policy of overpaying acquisitions, Liverpool can forgive about top 4 let alone for title race. In fact as an Everton fan, I am glad.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 19, 2018, 12:11:16 AM
Personally i've never been a fan, ever. 

Me neither. Then again, better than aunt Robben.

Surely.  I have to admit i was scared for a moment when the rumour started about Robben. 
34 with a chance of spending half his contract injured.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: torsten on July 19, 2018, 12:23:50 AM
So it's clear then. Sergej will leave this summer. Can't see it any other way. We're not gonna bench LA,Sergej,Leiva or Parolo and buy Pedro for €23M+...

How much worse will we be with Sergej sold and Pedro as the replecment, perhaps not so much.

Immobile-LA,Pedro-Lulic,Leiva,Parolo,Marusic-Radu,Acerbi,Wallace-Strakosha

But i can't understand a purchase like Pedro. He's not gonna be a sub here. If we're gonna invest heavy money and not sell Sergej, we have a lot of other areas to put that kind of money. And if we end up selling Sergej, we should already start looking to play in a different way in Auronzo.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 19, 2018, 01:13:33 AM
So it's clear then. Sergej will leave this summer. Can't see it any other way. We're not gonna bench LA,Sergej,Leiva or Parolo and buy Pedro for €23M+...

How much worse will we be with Sergej sold and Pedro as the replecment, perhaps not so much.

Immobile-LA,Pedro-Lulic,Leiva,Parolo,Marusic-Radu,Acerbi,Wallace-Strakosha

But i can't understand a purchase like Pedro. He's not gonna be a sub here. If we're gonna invest heavy money and not sell Sergej, we have a lot of other areas to put that kind of money. And if we end up selling Sergej, we should already start looking to play in a different way in Auronzo.

The chance of changing formation for one player is extremely slim, even if Pedro arrrives.  Alberto & Sergej are worth much more.

It would take some getting used to for many of us, like with last season having both Felipe & Alberto for one position.  It's the kind of progress we are making now. 

Inzaghi is very fond of a 3 man midfield, i really can't see him changing to a formation that won't have this. 

For me this does not mean Sergej is leaving.  And if so his successor is already here being Berisha.

As long as Lotito's been president we've had 2 players for each designated position, it's something he himself once said is a must. 

Even if Pedro comes to Rome and has to share with Alberto he would still get more playing time then at Chelsea.  Alberto was completely exhausted nearing the end of the season, the club probably felt the need to get some quality to replace Felipe. 
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: torsten on July 19, 2018, 01:24:52 AM
So it's clear then. Sergej will leave this summer. Can't see it any other way. We're not gonna bench LA,Sergej,Leiva or Parolo and buy Pedro for €23M+...

How much worse will we be with Sergej sold and Pedro as the replecment, perhaps not so much.

Immobile-LA,Pedro-Lulic,Leiva,Parolo,Marusic-Radu,Acerbi,Wallace-Strakosha

But i can't understand a purchase like Pedro. He's not gonna be a sub here. If we're gonna invest heavy money and not sell Sergej, we have a lot of other areas to put that kind of money. And if we end up selling Sergej, we should already start looking to play in a different way in Auronzo.

The chance of changing formation for one player is extremely slim, even if Pedro arrrives.  Alberto & Sergej are worth much more.

It would take some getting used to for many of us, like with last season having both Felipe & Alberto for one position.  It's the kind of progress we are making now. 

Inzaghi is very fond of a 3 man midfield, i really can't see him changing to a formation that won't have this. 

For me this does not mean Sergej is leaving.  And if so his successor is already here being Berisha.

As long as Lotito's been president we've had 2 players for each designated position, it's something he himself once said is a must. 

Even if Pedro comes to Rome and has to share with Alberto he would still get more playing time then at Chelsea.  Alberto was completely exhausted nearing the end of the season, the club probably felt the need to get some quality to replace Felipe.

Sure, and i agree with you. I'd love to have him here. But do you see it as possible? Do you don't, like me, see a lot of other position to spend that kind of money on? I mean, is it realistic and viable(?) to have a guy thats a top earner on the bench most of the time? Two of the most important and best players competing on the same position. I'll rather live in the dream that we still can buy a player like Romagnoli to take a real step forward. Or buy Barella to eventually replace Parolo. Or buy a guy like i don't know Felix Passlack.. Something that fits us more..
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 19, 2018, 01:54:40 AM
So it's clear then. Sergej will leave this summer. Can't see it any other way. We're not gonna bench LA,Sergej,Leiva or Parolo and buy Pedro for €23M+...

How much worse will we be with Sergej sold and Pedro as the replecment, perhaps not so much.

Immobile-LA,Pedro-Lulic,Leiva,Parolo,Marusic-Radu,Acerbi,Wallace-Strakosha

But i can't understand a purchase like Pedro. He's not gonna be a sub here. If we're gonna invest heavy money and not sell Sergej, we have a lot of other areas to put that kind of money. And if we end up selling Sergej, we should already start looking to play in a different way in Auronzo.

The chance of changing formation for one player is extremely slim, even if Pedro arrrives.  Alberto & Sergej are worth much more.

It would take some getting used to for many of us, like with last season having both Felipe & Alberto for one position.  It's the kind of progress we are making now. 

Inzaghi is very fond of a 3 man midfield, i really can't see him changing to a formation that won't have this. 

For me this does not mean Sergej is leaving.  And if so his successor is already here being Berisha.

As long as Lotito's been president we've had 2 players for each designated position, it's something he himself once said is a must. 

Even if Pedro comes to Rome and has to share with Alberto he would still get more playing time then at Chelsea.  Alberto was completely exhausted nearing the end of the season, the club probably felt the need to get some quality to replace Felipe.

Sure, and i agree with you. I'd love to have him here. But do you see it as possible? Do you don't, like me, see a lot of other position to spend that kind of money on? I mean, is it realistic and viable(?) to have a guy thats a top earner on the bench most of the time? Two of the most important and best players competing on the same position. I'll rather live in the dream that we still can buy a player like Romagnoli to take a real step forward. Or buy Barella to eventually replace Parolo. Or buy a guy like i don't know Felix Passlack.. Something that fits us more..

Fully agree on spending money on younger players, for sure.  But a Barella won't sign for Lazio at this point.  His club will hold out for the highest price possible and will want to be playing.  Romagnoli is fantasy.  We can't match his wage and Milan would never sell to us even with a big offer, they will never opt to reinforce the direct competition noar will midtable teams aiming a little higher.

Pedro would be just like Klose.  Not first choice at a big club anymore and still wanting to prove themselves on a good level.  That's something the club can provide. 

And Parolo hinted today there might be more incoming players, not player.  The club clearly want 2 good options for each position.

Strakosha & Proto
Wallace & Bastos / (Patric, Basta)
Acerbi & Ramos
Radu & Caceres
Marusic & ? (Patric, Lombardi, Basta)
Parolo & Murgia
Leiva & ? (Di Gennaro)
Milinkovic & Berisha
Lulic & Durmisi
Alberto & ? (Sprocati)
Immobile & ? (Caicedo, Rossi)

We can see some options of incoming/outgoing action.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Silindeee on July 19, 2018, 01:54:47 AM
I think our club sometimes makes some transfers so we can keep our calibre as a big club,that can lure big names. So if we ever find a chance to get a big name ,in "reasonable" price, we do it.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: torsten on July 19, 2018, 02:33:25 AM
So it's clear then. Sergej will leave this summer. Can't see it any other way. We're not gonna bench LA,Sergej,Leiva or Parolo and buy Pedro for €23M+...

How much worse will we be with Sergej sold and Pedro as the replecment, perhaps not so much.

Immobile-LA,Pedro-Lulic,Leiva,Parolo,Marusic-Radu,Acerbi,Wallace-Strakosha

But i can't understand a purchase like Pedro. He's not gonna be a sub here. If we're gonna invest heavy money and not sell Sergej, we have a lot of other areas to put that kind of money. And if we end up selling Sergej, we should already start looking to play in a different way in Auronzo.

The chance of changing formation for one player is extremely slim, even if Pedro arrrives.  Alberto & Sergej are worth much more.

It would take some getting used to for many of us, like with last season having both Felipe & Alberto for one position.  It's the kind of progress we are making now. 

Inzaghi is very fond of a 3 man midfield, i really can't see him changing to a formation that won't have this. 

For me this does not mean Sergej is leaving.  And if so his successor is already here being Berisha.

As long as Lotito's been president we've had 2 players for each designated position, it's something he himself once said is a must. 

Even if Pedro comes to Rome and has to share with Alberto he would still get more playing time then at Chelsea.  Alberto was completely exhausted nearing the end of the season, the club probably felt the need to get some quality to replace Felipe.

Sure, and i agree with you. I'd love to have him here. But do you see it as possible? Do you don't, like me, see a lot of other position to spend that kind of money on? I mean, is it realistic and viable(?) to have a guy thats a top earner on the bench most of the time? Two of the most important and best players competing on the same position. I'll rather live in the dream that we still can buy a player like Romagnoli to take a real step forward. Or buy Barella to eventually replace Parolo. Or buy a guy like i don't know Felix Passlack.. Something that fits us more..

Fully agree on spending money on younger players, for sure.  But a Barella won't sign for Lazio at this point.  His club will hold out for the highest price possible and will want to be playing.  Romagnoli is fantasy.  We can't match his wage and Milan would never sell to us even with a big offer, they will never opt to reinforce the direct competition noar will midtable teams aiming a little higher.

Pedro would be just like Klose.  Not first choice at a big club anymore and still wanting to prove themselves on a good level.  That's something the club can provide. 

And Parolo hinted today there might be more incoming players, not player.  The club clearly want 2 good options for each position.

Strakosha & Proto
Wallace & Bastos / (Patric, Basta)
Acerbi & Ramos
Radu & Caceres
Marusic & ? (Patric, Lombardi, Basta)
Parolo & Murgia
Leiva & ? (Di Gennaro)
Milinkovic & Berisha
Lulic & Durmisi
Alberto & ? (Sprocati)
Immobile & ? (Caicedo, Rossi)

We can see some options of incoming/outgoing action.

I know it's fantasy, but that is my point. For me Pedro is fantasy, or should be. I mean, WHY should a club like us spend that kind of money on a player that not even soppose to be first 11 material. He don't even fit our system. Also he will make 2,7M a year. Why should we support this? i Would love to have a player like Lucas Perez or even Lucas Moura as our back-ups but thats a bit to much for a club like us. Wesley will do great as a back-up in my opinion. I feel that a player like Andres Pereira would be ideal for us. Not to big, not to expensive, not gonna expect full time on the pitch and not gonna make 2,7M a year.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 19, 2018, 02:45:03 AM
So it's clear then. Sergej will leave this summer. Can't see it any other way. We're not gonna bench LA,Sergej,Leiva or Parolo and buy Pedro for €23M+...

How much worse will we be with Sergej sold and Pedro as the replecment, perhaps not so much.

Immobile-LA,Pedro-Lulic,Leiva,Parolo,Marusic-Radu,Acerbi,Wallace-Strakosha

But i can't understand a purchase like Pedro. He's not gonna be a sub here. If we're gonna invest heavy money and not sell Sergej, we have a lot of other areas to put that kind of money. And if we end up selling Sergej, we should already start looking to play in a different way in Auronzo.

The chance of changing formation for one player is extremely slim, even if Pedro arrrives.  Alberto & Sergej are worth much more.

It would take some getting used to for many of us, like with last season having both Felipe & Alberto for one position.  It's the kind of progress we are making now. 

Inzaghi is very fond of a 3 man midfield, i really can't see him changing to a formation that won't have this. 

For me this does not mean Sergej is leaving.  And if so his successor is already here being Berisha.

As long as Lotito's been president we've had 2 players for each designated position, it's something he himself once said is a must. 

Even if Pedro comes to Rome and has to share with Alberto he would still get more playing time then at Chelsea.  Alberto was completely exhausted nearing the end of the season, the club probably felt the need to get some quality to replace Felipe.

Sure, and i agree with you. I'd love to have him here. But do you see it as possible? Do you don't, like me, see a lot of other position to spend that kind of money on? I mean, is it realistic and viable(?) to have a guy thats a top earner on the bench most of the time? Two of the most important and best players competing on the same position. I'll rather live in the dream that we still can buy a player like Romagnoli to take a real step forward. Or buy Barella to eventually replace Parolo. Or buy a guy like i don't know Felix Passlack.. Something that fits us more..

Fully agree on spending money on younger players, for sure.  But a Barella won't sign for Lazio at this point.  His club will hold out for the highest price possible and will want to be playing.  Romagnoli is fantasy.  We can't match his wage and Milan would never sell to us even with a big offer, they will never opt to reinforce the direct competition noar will midtable teams aiming a little higher.

Pedro would be just like Klose.  Not first choice at a big club anymore and still wanting to prove themselves on a good level.  That's something the club can provide. 

And Parolo hinted today there might be more incoming players, not player.  The club clearly want 2 good options for each position.

Strakosha & Proto
Wallace & Bastos / (Patric, Basta)
Acerbi & Ramos
Radu & Caceres
Marusic & ? (Patric, Lombardi, Basta)
Parolo & Murgia
Leiva & ? (Di Gennaro)
Milinkovic & Berisha
Lulic & Durmisi
Alberto & ? (Sprocati)
Immobile & ? (Caicedo, Rossi)

We can see some options of incoming/outgoing action.

I know it's fantasy, but that is my point. For me Pedro is fantasy, or should be. I mean, WHY should a club like us spend that kind of money on a player that not even soppose to be first 11 material. He don't even fit our system. Also he will make 2,7M a year. Why should we support this? i Would love to have a player like Lucas Perez or even Lucas Moura as our back-ups but thats a bit to much for a club like us. Wesley will do great as a back-up in my opinion. I feel that a player like Andres Pereira would be ideal for us. Not to big, not to expensive, not gonna expect full time on the pitch and not gonna make 2,7M a year.

Pedro sounds fantasy because of being Pedro and having played for big clubs and having won the WC.  Romagnoli is fantasy because he's at the beginning of his career and will only increase in wage and clublevel.

Pedro is starting the later stage of his career and has already earned the big wages and been at the big clubs.  A whole different matter.  There's players in his situation that still want to earn bigger and move to China and there's others (much less) that are willing to earn less and still have a challenge.

Pereira was certainly on my wishlist to sub Alberto.  Perfect profile.

Let's not forget that Alberto is still struggling with something since the end of april.  Felipe is gone.  That leaves Sprocati.  With the ambition the club has announced it's not strange to go for another quality player up front.  Plus the fact that he can probably sub for Ciro as well. 

If Pedro actually arrives .... ?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: gibson_lp2 on July 19, 2018, 04:04:26 AM
Pedro will play lwb or rwb
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 19, 2018, 07:35:27 AM
23 million for a 30 year old that has looked less than stellar at Chelsea. I get he has a an impressive cv, but  :what: :what:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 19, 2018, 07:43:21 AM
Very difficult to understand. He could be vice-Ciro, competition for Luis Alberto, a player that allows us to sell SMS or even our new right wing-back but at 23 million euro, can't really see how he can be any one of those things. That fee, the salary he will earn - too much for him not to take on a more important role.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Secret_Samadhi on July 19, 2018, 08:13:30 AM
I see Pedro end up like Nani for us. Useless former star.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 19, 2018, 08:17:14 AM
This is the kind of transfer I would expect inter or milan to make..not us. I watch a lot of Chelsea matches and Pedro lost some of the pace that made him very dangerous when he was younger.

He might be able to help us by injecting some mentality we don’t already have, but again for that kind of money?

Also Pedro arriving is imo not a sign that Sergej is leaving. We’re doing well financially.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: nestahin on July 19, 2018, 08:50:16 AM
Please forgive my naive & I am not anti-Spanish

Why Pedro? Why involve so much transfer fee? Didnt you forget Mendieta?

No more Spanish in Lazio pls...(I'd rather sell LA if I could, get that sum to reinforce our RWB/SMS replacement) :whistle:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Stefano6 on July 19, 2018, 09:00:02 AM
What a ridiculous comment.
"im not anti spanish" .....  "no more spanish in lazio please"

Because of Mendieta? So you dismiss an entire nation of players because one player, 17 years ago, failed to live up to expectations (for a million reasons, none of which because of where he was born).


I cant get too excited about Pedro.. I mean, hes got a good CV, 100 goals for Barca, 20 or so for Spain, and I wouldnt dismiss him because he fell out of favour at Chelsea.
I just dont see where we are going to use him.

I dont see him having the defensive ability (or desire) to play as wing back, and I dont think hes better than Luis Alberto, and hes certainly not going to replace Ciro.
If SMS leaves, and we play 2 players behind Ciro (Alberto and Pedro) then sure that could work.

If not then hes an expensive backup whos able to play a few positions, but if thats the case its a very un Lotito like signing considering his price tag and wage
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: nestahin on July 19, 2018, 09:06:25 AM
Actually i dont see Spanish could adapt to us...of cox there is exceptional case

But you see, our failure case (Oscar Lopez, De la Pena, Garrido, Roberto Delgado, Mendieta) > successful case (LA)...I still think Spanish is not suitable for us...
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: nestahin on July 19, 2018, 09:07:17 AM
Stefano6, I do agree we have no place for Pedro with the 3511 system
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: BoDz4 on July 19, 2018, 09:09:16 AM
In fact, If Pedro is willing to come and earn less than 3m, that would be great addition, way better than Papu.

 He can play with Alberto together, which wasn`t a case for F.A.

 He has enormous experience which we lack in important matches. He played on regular level, year in and out against top level clubs, which can`t be said for any of our players.
 
 He has great technical abilities, can score goals and create them, and discipline our attack when we loose our mind (which happens very often)
 
 30 y.o. isn`t old and we can`t expect from every transfer to have resale, we have plenty of that already.

If happens, I would be very happy with that signing and wouldn`t worry about his playing time.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: stefano_40 on July 19, 2018, 09:27:21 AM
Please forgive my naive & I am not anti-Spanish

Why Pedro? Why involve so much transfer fee? Didnt you forget Mendieta?

No more Spanish in Lazio pls...(I'd rather sell LA if I could, get that sum to reinforce our RWB/SMS replacement) :whistle:

I'm genuinely not calling racism or anything, but what is it about Spanish players that shouldn't be at Lazio? The standard of players coming out of Spain at the moment unfortunately far surpasses that of Italy. Don't see a problem with them. It's fair that certain nationalities don't play well in certain leagues (Italians in the PL and English in Serie A for example), The Spanish fit Serie A as well as anyone really.

Mendieta was a flop yes, but more because of the fact that he was brought in to replace Nedved and Veron at a time when we were just throwing money around rather than his nationality..
Luis Alberto is the only other relatively big named Spanish player to have played with Lazio. And he was one of our best three last season. He's pretty irreplaceable at the moment, especially now that Felipe is gone.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Akha on July 19, 2018, 09:30:00 AM
Just checked, Pedro's last name is Ledesma. So it's confirmed  :razz:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 19, 2018, 09:31:12 AM
Observing how easily this forum goes from 'Lotito cheapskate' to 'Lotito is mad, will spend 25 million for a player ffs' is quite amusing.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: nestahin on July 19, 2018, 09:34:34 AM
Please forgive my naive & I am not anti-Spanish

Why Pedro? Why involve so much transfer fee? Didnt you forget Mendieta?

No more Spanish in Lazio pls...(I'd rather sell LA if I could, get that sum to reinforce our RWB/SMS replacement) :whistle:

I'm genuinely not calling racism or anything, but what is it about Spanish players that shouldn't be at Lazio? The standard of players coming out of Spain at the moment unfortunately far surpasses that of Italy. Don't see a problem with them. It's fair that certain nationalities don't play well in certain leagues (Italians in the PL and English in Serie A for example), The Spanish fit Serie A as well as anyone really.

Mendieta was a flop yes, but more because of the fact that he was brought in to replace Nedved and Veron at a time when we were just throwing money around rather than his nationality..
Luis Alberto is the only other relatively big named Spanish player to have played with Lazio. And he was one of our best three last season. He's pretty irreplaceable at the moment, especially now that Felipe is gone.

There is nothing about racism...Spanish is nothing wrong, ok?

I just don't want to waste a lot money, since we could have used it wisely
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: dinhochester on July 19, 2018, 09:36:43 AM
I prefer spending the money on a Caicedo type striker to play together with Ciro at the front.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 19, 2018, 09:48:15 AM
The impression we got yesterday is that Lazio are in for both Pedro AND Papu Gomez with the former being nearer to Formello than the latter.

It's very possible Lazio are working on both negotiations and hoping to succeed with one of them.

But it also makes sense if we are intending on selling SMS and moving Lulic or Luis Alberto into SMS' position.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: LazioKosovo on July 19, 2018, 09:54:49 AM
I don't like it. If Lazio is to chose a player (plus cash for SMS and if it needs to be Chelsea's "deadwood") than Lazio should get Fabregas not Pedro. There are three reasons that I think of at this very moment:
1. Fabregas is a better player than Pedro on respective position.
2. (As someone mentioned) I can not see him to fit on 3-5-1-1 formation, which is Lazio's supposed formation for 2018/19 season.
3. Regardless of his impressive CV and trophies won, his salary will cause domino effect on salaries of other best players.
 
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 19, 2018, 09:57:50 AM
I don't like it. If Lazio is to chose a player (plus cash for SMS and if it needs to be Chelsea's "deadwood") than Lazio should get Fabregas not Pedro. There are three reasons that I think of at this very moment:
1. Fabregas is a better player than Pedro on respective position.
2. (As someone mentioned) I can not see him to fit on 3-5-1-1 formation, which is Lazio's supposed formation for 2018/19 season.
3. Regardless of his impressive CV and trophies won, his salary will cause domino effect on salaries of other best players.

And Fabregas - who is on over 9 million euro per year and plays like shite these days - won't have Immobile going to Lotito and saying 'I'd like 10 million per season please'?  :razz:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: LazioKosovo on July 19, 2018, 10:06:06 AM
I guess you are right. I was not aware that Pedro's annual salary is around 4 million euros. In this case it makes sense.
I was shocked when I saw that Fabregas annual salary was almost 9 million euros. 
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 19, 2018, 10:12:30 AM
I guess you are right. I was not aware that Pedro's annual salary is around 4 million euros. In this case it makes sense.
I was shocked when I saw that Fabregas annual salary was almost 9 million euros.

I know the point you were making, but the salary aspect wouldn't be less of an issue for Fabregas unless he took a major pay cut. Which I just can't see happening.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: blue-white on July 19, 2018, 10:12:51 AM
I would not prefer LA in central midfield - he simply lacks in working rate of the defensive gameplay. There are SMS and Lulic by far better.

General to Pedro - would be a massive signing for Lazio. The important factor is the name - to show that we can bring in bigger names too. If he is ready to take a pay cut, i would take him for 25 mill.
Still.... 10 mill for Papu + a player would be the wiser move. Let's see what will happen - i would be happy with both scenarios - no matter if Pedro or Papu.

But i stay with my opinion - na matter who who them would arrive, Inzaghi has to make a little tactic change, because no one of them would arrive to sit on the bench.

My prefered scenario would be to leave Marusic out of the starting 11, and play a 3-4-2-1.
So Inzaghi has nothing to change in the defense. A 4 men defense switch would not be a good idea.

Strakosha

Wallace - Acerbi - Radu

Parolo - Leiva - SMS - Lulic

Pedro/Papu LA

Ciro

in this 4 men midfield you don't need wingbacks. The 4 only get their tactical instructions to defend more than last season, because there is 1 more player in the offense. And all 3 of Pedro, Papu and LA ... no one of them should play instead of SMS.

EDIT: general...i would be more happy to invest the money in a player instead of Marusic or Wallace.... :whistle:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 19, 2018, 10:15:31 AM
Fabregas is highest earner at Chelsea. That should be 'ffs moment of day'.  :supsmile:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cnon on July 19, 2018, 10:26:37 AM
Most of the times we buy new players, I know nothing about them because I rarely follow any other football than Serie A and Lazio. For example I didn't know who Leiva was before he joined Lazio. However, Pedro is a name even I know but not in a good way. When he was playing at Barca, people always whined how "bad" he was and how he was the worst starting player and how much better Barca would be without him. Similarly people always whined how such a bad player could start for such a great nation like Spain. Then I remember people laughing at Chelsea how stupid they are when they bought him. After he joined Chelsea, I haven't heard about him anymore nor seen him play.

I mean, he isn't a bad player for sure, but he looked mediocre when playing with clearly more talented players next to him. And now we are bringing him to Lazio, with Lotito's all time highest bidding? I don't like it, I don't like it at all. I know, he has an amazing CV, he brings the winning mentality and experience. But I'm very doubtful he can be a success here.

And if SMS is going to leave, then it's LA who takes his position while Pedro will take the second striker position behind Ciro. That's how I see it. Otherwise Pedro wouldn't start and we aren't going buy him to sit on the bench.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Caput Mundi on July 19, 2018, 10:44:16 AM
Pedro brings experience from CL, World Cup and Euro finals but that's about it, surely?

I'm sure he will be a competent player who will deliver good performances but they won't be the outstanding performances we need to justify 23 million euro.

Not keen on Papu Gomez either tbh.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: LazioKosovo on July 19, 2018, 10:47:13 AM
Pedro brings experience from CL, World Cup and Euro finals but that's about it, surely?

I'm sure he will be a competent player who will deliver good performances but they won't be the outstanding performances we need to justify 23 million euro.

Not keen on Papu Gomez either tbh.

In short, this sums up everything Lazio needs to know about Pedro.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Stefano6 on July 19, 2018, 10:51:30 AM
Im undecided.. I mean, €23m isnt a huge amount of money in todays market, but it is a lot of money for us.
If he becomes a backup to Ciro/Alberto/SMS, etc, then hopefully that would quieten the people who always complain we have no depth because we have no good players on the bench.

But if he comes to be a starter and we sell SMS, and Gomez arrives too, im not sure how to fit them all in the team, if that is indeed what the plan is to do.

Im not concerned about his age or his lack of recent playing time, or his ability, but I dont want his arrival to push out Alberto or Ciro because hes not an upgrade on them.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: jovo on July 19, 2018, 11:06:27 AM
For me is very easy to chose between Papu or Pedro. We can remember when Parolo came to Lazio and he had a very smooth transition and from day one  contributed for the team. So Papu is the obvious choice. We have no time to wait Pedro to adapt since we want a CL football.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 19, 2018, 11:08:46 AM
Alessandro Rossi about to join FC Luzern on loan, has already said goodbye to the guys at Auronzo. Luzern were 3rd in the Swiss championship last season, could well be a very interesting confidence-building move for the kid.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Agent Orange on July 19, 2018, 11:18:35 AM
It would be cool and great if Robben joined, his routine, his professionalism, and if he takes same wage as our other highest earners, why not? Experience, skill and i dont mean he's gonna play every game but, well my thoughts only..  and sign a 1+1 year contract (reevaluate after one season) would be nice.. i think he could have a great impact and could play anywhere really as an offensive winger. (Im not naive i dont think this will happen but i like the idea).

But of course i would love to have Gomez as many here, and i still think we need another player(striker) then Caicedo, what happens if Immobile misses half the season? Well well many things to consider, but i trust Tare he will sort things out..
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Rizmo on July 19, 2018, 11:24:34 AM
I don't think it's a case of Papu vs Pedro. Pedro would come and play instead of Marusic imo. If he comes, Inzaghi would already have talked to him and promised him a starting spot. Last season one wing back was always higher then the other and Marusic was many times found in very advanced positions. Pedro is great at finding space behind the defence and Inzaghi likes to play from one side to the other as fast as possible (even awarded team with dinner after wb to wb goal). The idea is to outnumber the opposition on the other side of the pitch and Lulic cutting to the right foot or LA also moving on the left side will find Pedro like that many times. Also SMS and Leiva are great at longer balls in behind the defenders where Pedro is lethal. Pedro is also a better crosser then Marusic. The only concern is the defending and Inzaghi needs to tweak it, maybe a little like blue-white writes. But if the move materialize then Pedro has for sure agreed to WB unlike Felipe Anderson.

I believe Pedro would come to prove something and both LA and Patric is here to make the transition more easy for him.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 19, 2018, 11:42:48 AM
I'm down for Pedro at right wing-back. He's capable of playing there to a standard at least on par with Marusic in my opinion.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: blue-white on July 19, 2018, 11:59:48 AM
I like what Rizmo and Cathal are writing.

To take a look at my first 11 which i posted before - it's only a formation where all can play.
Tactical you have to understand, that if Marusic is not there, Pedro would play a bit deeper than LA. Maybe they can also switch and you have a totally dynamic midfield where SMS is getting forward, and Pedro stays deeper.
Pedro is in fact a player who would fit that style of playing. He is no typical winger, no typical player behind strikers.
He is somewhere "between" which only means he is the same type of player like Berisha, but only with the experience of a big one.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: kevlar on July 19, 2018, 12:00:41 PM
I'm down for Pedro at right wing-back. He's capable of playing there to a standard at least on par with Marusic in my opinion.

That's not really convincing..  :razz:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 19, 2018, 12:01:38 PM
I'm down for Pedro at right wing-back. He's capable of playing there to a standard at least on par with Marusic in my opinion.

That's not really convincing..  :razz:

 :razz: I'm not a big fan of Pedro in general, but offensively, I can get somewhat excited about him taking over from Marusic although admittedly, that could be just because someone - anyone - is taking over from him.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Giolazio on July 19, 2018, 12:34:47 PM
I'm down for Pedro at right wing-back. He's capable of playing there to a standard at least on par with Marusic in my opinion.

That's not really convincing..  :razz:

 :razz: I'm not a big fan of Pedro in general, but offensively, I can get somewhat excited about him taking over from Marusic although admittedly, that could be just because someone - anyone - is taking over from him.

Pedro can also score from outside the box, Marusic could barely score from inside the 6-yard box  :supsmile:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cnon on July 19, 2018, 12:40:46 PM
I'm down for Pedro at right wing-back. He's capable of playing there to a standard at least on par with Marusic in my opinion.

That's not really convincing..  :razz:

 :razz: I'm not a big fan of Pedro in general, but offensively, I can get somewhat excited about him taking over from Marusic although admittedly, that could be just because someone - anyone - is taking over from him.

Pedro can also score from outside the box, Marusic could barely score from inside the 6-yard box  :supsmile:

You clearly missed his amazing strike in the last match against Inter. :razz:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: jovo on July 19, 2018, 12:57:02 PM
I'm down for Pedro at right wing-back. He's capable of playing there to a standard at least on par with Marusic in my opinion.

That's not really convincing..  :razz:
In my thinking RWB is everything about the work rate. And Pedro who is  30 years old is no match to Marusic. He will bring offensive quality to our game but the defence will be more fragile than last season because we don't have defenders like Juventus who can cover the gap.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 19, 2018, 01:02:51 PM
In my thinking RWB is everything about the work rate. And Pedro who is  30 years old is no match to Marusic.

If it's about work-rate, Pedro most certainly wins over Marusic in my opinion.

Pedro's career has been built on his willingness to run. Marusic isn't lazy by any means, but he's not scoring highly in our fitness tests and he was having serious issues playing more than one game a week last season.

The rest of your point I understood - Pedro is not a classic wing-back and would have a lot to learn - but I'd count on him putting in the effort at least.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: mahdipah on July 19, 2018, 01:05:22 PM
Dany Alves was 33 when he joined Juve and took care of RWB like a champ
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: kevlar on July 19, 2018, 01:07:15 PM
I'm down for Pedro at right wing-back. He's capable of playing there to a standard at least on par with Marusic in my opinion.

That's not really convincing..  :razz:
In my thinking RWB is everything about the work rate. And Pedro who is  30 years old is no match to Marusic. He will bring offensive quality to our game but the defence will be more fragile than last season because we don't have defenders like Juventus who can cover the gap.

Yes, but regarding to Marusic, the work-rate is the only good thing about him, otherwise there could be just a cone laying on the field, and there wouldn't be a big difference.

However to be honest, I'm not really sure that the RWB position suits Pedro, as he is too weak/small for that position in my opinion aswell as I'm not sure about his stamina levels, but I could be wrong though...
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: kevlar on July 19, 2018, 01:08:09 PM
Dany Alves was 33 when he joined Juve and took care of RWB like a champ

Well, his natural position was RB/RWB anyway, can't say the same for Pedro..
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: jovo on July 19, 2018, 01:12:58 PM
In my thinking RWB is everything about the work rate. And Pedro who is  30 years old is no match to Marusic.

If it's about work-rate, Pedro most certainly wins over Marusic in my opinion.

Pedro's career has been built on his willingness to run. Marusic isn't lazy by any means, but he's not scoring highly in our fitness tests and he was having serious issues playing more than one game a week last season.

The rest of your point I understood - Pedro is not a classic wing-back and would have a lot to learn - but I'd count on him putting in the effort at least.
I made that conclusion only because Marusic is 5 years younger and that this is his natural position. I don't think that a former Barcelona and Chelsea AM and LW will want to play on RWB especially in Italy.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 19, 2018, 01:23:04 PM
It just seems strange to me that we're spending that much money on this position while seemingly holding onto Bastos and Wallace..giving them another year to prove they are good enough.

And before I get told "but bastos and wallace is still here". Yeah guess what, so is Basta.

Making a smallish upgrade on the RWB while only making a small adjustment in the central defence? I don't get it..it doesn't make any sense.

This team we have right now is solid. We can fight for a CL spot for sure. With another GOOD cb we're suddenly looking very dangerous. But instead we sign Pedro? I'm confused..

If you're asking me, the defence is the only real problem in this team

Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: jovo on July 19, 2018, 01:27:41 PM
It just seems strange to me that we're spending that much money on this position while seemingly holding onto Bastos and Wallace..giving them another year to prove they are good enough.

And before I get told "but bastos and wallace is still here". Yeah guess what, so is Basta.

Making a smallish upgrade on the RWB while only making a small adjustment in the central defence? I don't get it..it doesn't make any sense.

This team we have right now is solid. We can fight for a CL spot for sure. With another GOOD cb we're suddenly looking very dangerous. But instead we sign Pedro? I'm confused..


If you're asking me, the defence is the only real problem in this team
+1
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Ghost of Felipe Anderson on July 19, 2018, 01:28:35 PM
I'm torn on Pedro. On one hand, he is still a top class player and I have no doubt that he could help us. Be it as FA replacement or as very attacking wingback. However, burning 20m+ on a player on the wrong side of 30, who relies on pace and who will command hefty wages on a multi year contract too, is what I dislike. I'd rather burn 20m on a similar player who maybe isn't high profile like Pedro but at least a few years younger. Or sign a true RWB for that money, or another high profile CB.

Pedro is a bit like Papu Gomez to me. Really like both players and sure they could improve our squad. But high transfer fees and handing out a multi year contract is what I hate.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 19, 2018, 01:31:58 PM
Well, this was the team we sent out against Auronzo yesterday, probably because it's our best available XI yesterday in the absence of major players.

Lazio (3-5-2): Proto; Wallace, Acerbi, Filippini; Marusic, Cataldi, Leiva, Murgia, Lulic; Neto, Caicedo

When you look at that team, right centre-back and right wing-back don't look like the weak links.

Sure, when Strakosha, Radu, Lulic, Luis Alberto and Immobile are all 100% fit and SMS and Caceres are back, the team will look very different. But that day may never arrive.

If the club feel the need to spend big on Pedro Rodriguez and Papu Gomez to avoid having to play Pedro Neto or Mattia Sprocati next season, as much as I would find that unusual, it's not crazy.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 19, 2018, 01:40:11 PM
Lazio (3-5-2): Strakosha; Wallace, Acerbi, Radu; Marusic, Lucas, Parolo, Sergej. Lulic; Luis Alberto, Ciro

This is probably our strongest line up right? With Berisha potentially taking Parolo's spot and with Riza potentially replacing Lulic on LWB?

The RCB spot in that team is the weak link, I don't believe for a moment Wallace is good enough for a team like Lazio who wants to play in the CL.

Don't get me wrong though, I don't believe Marusic is a top 3 RWB in the Serie A. He has to prove a lot next season if he's still in the starting 11. But I've completely given up on Wallace (and Bastos)
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 19, 2018, 01:42:51 PM
Lazio (3-5-2): Strakosha; Wallace, Acerbi, Radu; Marusic, Lucas, Parolo, Sergej. Lulic; Luis Alberto, Ciro

This is probably our strongest line up right?

But the forum has spent so much of the last couple of months talking about depth, talking about the need to replace Felipe Anderson, about the need for a vice-Ciro, some competition with Marusic.

Pedro solves all those problems.

And what do we read? Too old. Too expensive. Doesn't fit in the team. Etc.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 19, 2018, 01:44:58 PM
Pretty sure many people also believe there's a need to replace players in the central defence.

Or is there still people in here who trust Wallace and Bastos?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 19, 2018, 01:49:25 PM
Pretty sure many people also believe there's a need to replace players in the central defence.

Or is there still people in here who trust Wallace and Bastos?

You're missing my point. I would trust Wallace and Bastos to play 20 games between them next season before I'd be happy to see Pedro Neto play 20 games next season.

Let's say one of our attacking starters gets a season-ending injury at some point. How does spending 30-40 million on two defenders prevent a situation where Pedro Neto needs to start upfront?

Two years ago, we had Keita and Anderson. Last season, we had Nani and Anderson. Today, we've Neto and Sprocati.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Delta on July 19, 2018, 01:54:40 PM
It is not only last few months, when I saw speculations that Pedro and Gomez both might be coming my first thought was ''finally, after all those years Tare (or Lotito?) understood what we need try different to make that last step, improving to serious CL place contender''. It will be headache for Inzaghi to pick team for attack and midfield now, but surely he learnt a lot from last campaign and we might see much more balanced Lazio new season, if not from first weeks then surely 2-3 months time.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: blue_sky on July 19, 2018, 02:05:24 PM
Pedro comes here ? Please no. A big no.
Why don't we try Bradlt fo 25 mil? Or Reus ?
Thauvin perhaps?
Martial maybe?
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: valdanito on July 19, 2018, 02:09:47 PM
I am very very surprised to read that it's ok to splash 23 million on a 30+ year old to potentially sit on the bench after the forum clearly critizised any intent to spend big on someone young and promising for the same role.

The only way I walk out dcently happy from this potential deal is if the plan is to adapt him to a rwb and he being ok with it.

Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 19, 2018, 02:10:25 PM
Another point which someone made to me off the forum that is something we really need to think about.

Spanish transfer window closes 2 weeks after Italian transfer window. What happens if the window closes in Italy and then Real Madrid come to Lotito with 150 million for SMS? If we sell, we can't replace SMS until January at the earliest.

There's a lot to consider with our market. I completely agree that we don't need Pedro and Gomez and that we could do with another centre-back and a right wing-back, but I also have no real idea of what's going on behind the scenes and I'm being patient.

What I think we know from listening to those in the know is that Inzaghi had demanded we bring in Acerbi and Gomez to replace de Vrij and Anderson. And for whatever reason, Lazio have been trying to sign Pedro Rodriguez and a deal is not far away.

The rest, I've no idea  :razz:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: torsten on July 19, 2018, 02:14:07 PM
I'm down for Pedro at right wing-back. He's capable of playing there to a standard at least on par with Marusic in my opinion.

Well, if that's the plan I'm all for it. If he can deliver there. As Rizmo said, the RCB who often were Luiz Felipe came up pretty high and very wide. We saw Caceres do that brilliantly in the WC for Uruguay. Could he do that job for us then it's going to be very good.

Strakosha; Caceres,Acerbi,Radu; Pedro,Parolo,Leiva,SMS,Lulic; Luis Alberto,Immobile
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Caput Mundi on July 19, 2018, 02:24:43 PM
If Pedro or Gomez were to come and not be particularly successful for whatever reason, do we expect there to be a club willing to take them off our hands for the same price we paid?

I'm not confident of that but on that basis, I'd rather Pedro than Gomez - even at double the price.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Ghost of Felipe Anderson on July 19, 2018, 02:27:17 PM
I won't complain about either Pedro or Papu. Our defensive woes aside, we need a good joker in attack. However, I'm not so sure how we can justify handing them expensive long term contracts though. Players of small stature who rely on pace and agility usually start to decline very soon after they hit 30 years. Considering what we're apparently willing to pay, 4 or 5 yr deal looks very likely though.

Personally, I hope we sign one of the more exciting South American prospects rather than Pedro or Papu. And if we don't go down the South American route, I can think of many exciting players in Europe we can get for 20m+. If the talk about high ambitions and spending 20m+ on a player is really serious, we can attract better players than you might think to a club like Lazio.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Don on July 19, 2018, 02:42:27 PM
Lazio (3-5-2): Strakosha; Wallace, Acerbi, Radu; Marusic, Lucas, Parolo, Sergej. Lulic; Luis Alberto, Ciro

This is probably our strongest line up right?

But the forum has spent so much of the last couple of months talking about depth, talking about the need to replace Felipe Anderson, about the need for a vice-Ciro, some competition with Marusic.

Pedro solves all those problems.

And what do we read? Too old. Too expensive. Doesn't fit in the team. Etc.
That is a good Summary...

Pedro is a very pragmatic and good choice and if that means CL eventually, we should take that opportunity...

Still question whether we are equipped enough in Der now...
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: blue_sky on July 19, 2018, 02:43:01 PM
Another point which someone made to me off the forum that is something we really need to think about.

Spanish transfer window closes 2 weeks after Italian transfer window. What happens if the window closes in Italy and then Real Madrid come to Lotito with 150 million for SMS? If we sell, we can't replace SMS until January at the earliest.

There's a lot to consider with our market. I completely agree that we don't need Pedro and Gomez and that we could do with another centre-back and a right wing-back, but I also have no real idea of what's going on behind the scenes and I'm being patient.

What I think we know from listening to those in the know is that Inzaghi had demanded we bring in Acerbi and Gomez to replace de Vrij and Anderson. And for whatever reason, Lazio have been trying to sign Pedro Rodriguez and a deal is not far away.

The rest, I've no idea  :razz:

What's the idea linking of SMS transfer with Pedro?
The way Lotito thinking is not like that. We all know previously when MU came for Anderson and RM for Biglia.
Pedro or Gomez is related to lack of depth in attacking or second striker. Making hit by SMS and buying Pedro is irrelevant.
While for Pedro, if we loan him, that's fine.
If we have 25 mil, we should but Fabiano from Monaco
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Emko on July 19, 2018, 02:51:53 PM
Lazio (3-5-2): Strakosha; Wallace, Acerbi, Radu; Marusic, Lucas, Parolo, Sergej. Lulic; Luis Alberto, Ciro

This is probably our strongest line up right?

Yeah, on paper this is the strongest line up. But Seria A starts on 19 august. SMS (in case he stays) will join the team on 1 august, which means that he won't be 100% fit for the first game and there is a big chance not to start the game.

We still don't know what is the situation with Luis Alberto - yes, it seems that it isn't that bad, but remember last year when we all expect Anderson to be ready for the beginning of september and that never really happened.

So i'm worried about our lack of depth upfront, and i don't want to see Sprocati to be a starter in the first games, because we haven't really found a sub for Anderson.

And don't forget that last year we had Alberto, Anderson and Nani to play behind Immobile. Now we have only Luis Alberto. The season will be long again, as we have EL games to play, so we definitely need something new upfront.

I am still not sure about Neto, but he seems not ready yet.

Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 19, 2018, 03:28:52 PM
What's the idea linking of SMS transfer with Pedro?

If Pedro is here, the quickest and easiest way to replace SMS is to play Luis Alberto in SMS' position and Pedro behind Immobile. If we have Gomez as well, then we can sell SMS to the highest bidder whenever we want. As of today, we simply cannot sell SMS.

If we have 25 mil, we should but Fabiano from Monaco

If you are talking about Fabinho, he signed for Liverpool for 50 million euro.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Don on July 19, 2018, 03:56:20 PM
What I don't like to see is the obvious trend to go for experience rather than potential
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Arti on July 19, 2018, 04:16:45 PM
Papu > Pedro. 2x cheaper and tested in Serie A reality.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Sile on July 19, 2018, 04:32:53 PM
Wait so where is everyone getting this info about Pedro, I can't find anything
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Giolazio on July 19, 2018, 04:43:28 PM
Wait so where is everyone getting this info about Pedro, I can't find anything

Inside info  :beer:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 19, 2018, 05:17:19 PM
Bursaspor interested in Caicedo and Lazio is willing to let him on annual loan, but Turkish club doesn't want to pay full wage for player but rather third quarter of reported 1.2 million that he earns per year.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Arti on July 19, 2018, 05:17:55 PM
Rossi loaned to Luzern.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Don on July 19, 2018, 05:23:28 PM
Rossi loaned to Luzern.
Sure?

Bursaspor interested in Caicedo and Lazio is willing to let him on annual loan, but Turkish club doesn't want to pay full wage for player but rather third quarter of reported 1.2 million that he earns per year.
Stupid. Selling or keeping...
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 19, 2018, 05:34:17 PM
Bursaspor interested in Caicedo and Lazio is willing to let him on annual loan, but Turkish club doesn't want to pay full wage for player but rather third quarter of reported 1.2 million that he earns per year.

An indication for another attacker coming in besides Felipe's replacement (Pedro).

Wait so where is everyone getting this info about Pedro, I can't find anything

Inside info  :beer:

Wich means it has actuel truth.  :twinkle:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 19, 2018, 05:48:45 PM
In my thinking RWB is everything about the work rate. And Pedro who is  30 years old is no match to Marusic.

If it's about work-rate, Pedro most certainly wins over Marusic in my opinion.

Pedro's career has been built on his willingness to run. Marusic isn't lazy by any means, but he's not scoring highly in our fitness tests and he was having serious issues playing more than one game a week last season.

The rest of your point I understood - Pedro is not a classic wing-back and would have a lot to learn - but I'd count on him putting in the effort at least.
I made that conclusion only because Marusic is 5 years younger and that this is his natural position. I don't think that a former Barcelona and Chelsea AM and LW will want to play on RWB especially in Italy.

Just to argue some about that.  Marusic was just like Pedro an attacking winger for 90% of his years in Belgium.  He filled in as fullback because of absentees in the rosters because he was good at holding the ball, disciplined and fast.

Salvio has been attacking winger his entire career but played fullback for Argentina.  For thesame reasons.

De Bruyne, Chadli, Carrasco, Thorgan Hazard played wingback roles for Belgium during the WC.
These are strikers, attacking wingers,  central midfielders.

Don't get me wrong i still favour a more oldfashioned type wingback like Durmisi but it seems to be more modern now to insert other types.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Don on July 19, 2018, 05:52:19 PM
In my thinking RWB is everything about the work rate. And Pedro who is  30 years old is no match to Marusic.

If it's about work-rate, Pedro most certainly wins over Marusic in my opinion.

Pedro's career has been built on his willingness to run. Marusic isn't lazy by any means, but he's not scoring highly in our fitness tests and he was having serious issues playing more than one game a week last season.

The rest of your point I understood - Pedro is not a classic wing-back and would have a lot to learn - but I'd count on him putting in the effort at least.
I made that conclusion only because Marusic is 5 years younger and that this is his natural position. I don't think that a former Barcelona and Chelsea AM and LW will want to play on RWB especially in Italy.

Just to argue some about that.  Marusic was just like Pedro an attacking winger for 90% of his years in Belgium.  He filled in as fullback because of absentees in the rosters because he was good at holding the ball, disciplined and fast.

Salvio has been attacking winger his entire career but played fullback for Argentina.  For thesame reasons.

De Bruyne, Chadli, Carrasco, Thorgan Hazard played wingback roles for Belgium during the WC.
These are strikers, attacking wingers,  central midfielders.

Don't get me wrong i still favour a more oldfashioned type wingback like Durmisi but it seems to be more modern now to insert other types.
:bravo: Don't forget Eto'o's wingback transition by Mou' in Inters Treble season in CL... :twinkle:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: valdanito on July 19, 2018, 05:59:59 PM
Eto'o played in a 433, not really a wing back.
Evesto, KDB played all over the place in the WC, but wing back?

Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 19, 2018, 06:10:12 PM
Lazio (3-5-2): Strakosha; Wallace, Acerbi, Radu; Marusic, Lucas, Parolo, Sergej. Lulic; Luis Alberto, Ciro

This is probably our strongest line up right?

But the forum has spent so much of the last couple of months talking about depth, talking about the need to replace Felipe Anderson, about the need for a vice-Ciro, some competition with Marusic.

Pedro solves all those problems.

And what do we read? Too old. Too expensive. Doesn't fit in the team. Etc.

This would be the major point in signing him.  Inzaghi likes versatile players and not a big fan of rotating much in Serie A.
I'm not a Pedro fan but i can certainly see the reason why he'd arrive.

Felipe and Nani replaced by 1 player.  Possibly able to also sub Ciro (meaning no Caicedo).  Possibly able to play wingback (meaning no Basta or Patric on the wing).  4 spots for one experienced and capable player. 

We should not be pinning down starting positions.   No player can play our amount of games.  Alberto is still struggling with something since April.  Felipe missed half a season last time because of an injury.  When having the ambition the club has spoken out one needs quality backup ready.

Felipe and Alberto are valued higher then Pedro in prices yet they had to share last season, and we still had to bring in Nani to handle all the games.  I don't see why Pedro would have to be the only choice for a certain position because of his previous career and being known.

To buy Ciro one would have to pay Lotito 70mil or more, for Alberto probably 50mil.  For me Pedro does not push them aside.

If Pedro arrives and has to rotate with both Alberto and Marusic or maybe even Ciro he will not complain about getting minutes.  He'll be exhausted.

But i wouldn't be fond in this situation to get both Pedro and Gomez.  That could actually give problems, that's why i don't believe that might happen.  A young talent like Wesley if Caicedo moves, that would fit.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 19, 2018, 06:14:13 PM
Evesto, KDB played all over the place in the WC, but wing back?

He actually did against France.  De Bruyne and Hazard were leftwing as Dembele took his place centrally.  A tactic to trouble the young Pavard and it almost worked but didn't succeed because KDB had an off day.  He moved inside a lot of course.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Hadi Van Der Vaart on July 19, 2018, 06:15:21 PM
Wow! I dont visit the forum for more than 24 hours n there comes crazy rumors. :supsmile:

Basically, I dont like this Pedro's signing. I mean, dont we learn something with Nani? Players that rely in speed on their game are useless when they are getting older. I'm just a bit surprised reading the probability of us spending more than 20mil for a player n we're just not sure where we can field him! I'm so used to with cheap ass Lotito who always try to spend as little money as he can for a player. :razz:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Don on July 19, 2018, 07:52:31 PM
Eto'o played in a 433, not really a wing back.
Evesto, KDB played all over the place in the WC, but wing back?
In Papier 433, actually he very often fell back and played nearly a wingback just to use his speed in counters...
Recognized by many commentators and analysts back then especially against Bayern... but nevermind...
Got what you mean... :beer:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 19, 2018, 08:05:19 PM
The word around Bruges is Lazio's bid is 8mil plus bonuses for Wesley.  Player and agent already having an agreement with Tare for weeks.  There are no other bids so basically Tare has Club Brugge right where he likes it.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 19, 2018, 08:08:31 PM
8 million euros is ok, any higher and I hope Lazio pass on Wesley. He's not worth more imo..
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Secret_Samadhi on July 19, 2018, 08:09:14 PM
I hope this is our Mister X.

(https://sportsport.ba/assets/pictures/content/upload/griezmannlazio.jpg)
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: lazioserbia on July 19, 2018, 08:09:56 PM
The word around Bruges is Lazio's bid is 8mil plus bonuses for Wesley.  Player and agent already having an agreement with Tare for weeks.  There are no other bids so basically Tare has Club Brugge right where he likes it.

What do you think bro? Wesley doesn't look like someone who is worth more than 5-10 million to me.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: lazioserbia on July 19, 2018, 08:10:43 PM
I hope this is our Mister X.

(https://sportsport.ba/assets/pictures/content/upload/griezmannlazio.jpg)

Honda on the left?  :razz:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 19, 2018, 08:20:08 PM
The word around Bruges is Lazio's bid is 8mil plus bonuses for Wesley.  Player and agent already having an agreement with Tare for weeks.  There are no other bids so basically Tare has Club Brugge right where he likes it.

What do you think bro? Wesley doesn't look like someone who is worth more than 5-10 million to me.

10mil would not be robbery considering age and potential.  Today he's worth 6mil but moving up that changes quickly.
If Tare pulls it of with these numbers it's a steal.

Sergej had a 4mil estimated value when Tare signed him.  Not that i think he'll be on that level, but half of it would already be tremendous.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 19, 2018, 11:28:07 PM
If I'm understanding it correctly..the Rossi to Luzern transfer is either off or has been postponed for now. It seems Inzaghi vetoed the transfer after Rossi scored 7 goals in the friendly.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 19, 2018, 11:44:35 PM
If I'm understanding it correctly..the Rossi to Luzern transfer is either off or has been postponed for now. It seems Inzaghi vetoed the transfer after Rossi scored 7 goals in the friendly.

It's a fact that he left for Luzern and already returned to join his teammates again at Auronzo.
Further details aren't confirmed and media reporting contradicting stories.

First one being Inzaghi recalled him and second one saying the 2 clubs couldn't agree a deal and it was called of.

Personally i believe the 1st thing is pure fantasy.  Tare sends him out and Inzaghi calling him back, simply impossible.

The deal with Luzern most likely collapsed.

Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 20, 2018, 12:02:39 AM
Basta's agent Pastorello said he's looking for a new club for his client.  A balkan or an exotic destination.  He says Basta needs to stay in his natural position and this won't be the case anymore under Inzaghi.  He's at Auronzo now but that might change before the end of the preperation.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: valdanito on July 20, 2018, 12:15:38 AM
Basta's agent Pastorello said he's looking for a new club for his client.  A balkan or an exotic destination.  He says Basta needs to stay in his natural position and this won't be the case anymore under Inzaghi.  He's at Auronzo now but that might change before the end of the preperation.

This may be a clear sign that we are really going to buy somone for the RWB position which really calms me down.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 20, 2018, 12:45:39 AM
According Sky and Di Marzio Lazio is in contact with the agent of Bari's right fullback Djavan Anderson.
The players there are up for grabs with the bankrupcy.  Frosinone and Sampdoria also made contact.  Lazio's intention would be to sign him and loan him out to Salernitana.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: campiador on July 20, 2018, 01:31:14 AM
While I am happy about our acquisitions, I am still utterly worried about our defense.

Statistically, our defense did a horrible job last season, conceding 49 goals. For reference, Inter conceded 30. We are the 10th best Serie A defense. We need to change something here. While I believe Acerbi is an improvement, I do not think replacing DV with Acerbi alone will bridge that gap. The main problem with our defense was not CB anyway; we had defensive issues that are not being addressed properly.

Currently, I am seeing frightening signs from the pre-season training. During last season we said time and time again that our team has not one but three Achilles' Heels in GK, RCB, and RWB positions. It appears all of the mentioned positions are being offered to the same players that underperformed last year.

For GK, my hope was to go for a reliable starter. Rui Patricio would have been splendid. Had he been our keeper, we would have beaten Crotone and qualified UCL. But with Proto and the extra pressure on Strakosha, the situation is not as bad as the other two positions. Apparently, the plan is to sacrifice points waiting for Strakosha to develop into a great GK. Not a great idea, but okay.

For RCB, it took Inzaghi (and most of us) the better part of a season and multiple dropped points to realize that Wallace is not up for the task and Felipe Luiz is by far more reliable. I find it disconcerting that Wallace AGAIN is being tested as the main RCB. If we are to keep Wallace, he should only be counted on as Acerbi''s backup in CB, where he does not have to run or dribble as much as RCB demands (like against Strootman in the derby). As CB Wallace at least can use his physicality to clear deep crosses in the box. It's simple, I do not want Wallace to be our RCB starter. Same with Bastos. If we are not buying a defender at the same level as Acerbi (and Lazio), then let's just play Luiz Felipe--who proved does have what it takes to reach that level.

For RWB, I remember most of us saying time and time again that Marusic cannot dribble past one, cannot defend, often picks unnecessary cards with stupid fouls (like when he could simply escort the ball off the field), and his crossing skills are wanting. Marusic is one whole level below the Lazio team level. I really do not want to rely on him as a starter.

As we know very well, "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result"

Bottom line: we need to replace Marusic and Wallace with better players.

Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 20, 2018, 02:04:36 AM
Recent vibes on Papu Gomez range from not as good to worst case scenario (if you wanted us to sign him).
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: lazioserbia on July 20, 2018, 02:36:42 AM
The word around Bruges is Lazio's bid is 8mil plus bonuses for Wesley.  Player and agent already having an agreement with Tare for weeks.  There are no other bids so basically Tare has Club Brugge right where he likes it.

What do you think bro? Wesley doesn't look like someone who is worth more than 5-10 million to me.

10mil would not be robbery considering age and potential.  Today he's worth 6mil but moving up that changes quickly.
If Tare pulls it of with these numbers it's a steal.

Sergej had a 4mil estimated value when Tare signed him.  Not that i think he'll be on that level, but half of it would already be tremendous.

Great :beer: 
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: dinhochester on July 20, 2018, 04:05:25 AM
I think that part of the reason of we concede a lot last season is our wing backs are too tired. If we play with two real strikers and our wingbacks be more defensive, we should concede less.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: edo_shehb on July 20, 2018, 05:56:22 AM
If I'm understanding it correctly..the Rossi to Luzern transfer is either off or has been postponed for now. It seems Inzaghi vetoed the transfer after Rossi scored 7 goals in the friendly.

It's a fact that he left for Luzern and already returned to join his teammates again at Auronzo.
Further details aren't confirmed and media reporting contradicting stories.

First one being Inzaghi recalled him and second one saying the 2 clubs couldn't agree a deal and it was called of.

Personally i believe the 1st thing is pure fantasy.  Tare sends him out and Inzaghi calling him back, simply impossible.

The deal with Luzern most likely collapsed.

ok silly of me posting in the pre-season topic bout rossi and then read it here  :roll_eyes:

shame if this loan deal really collapsed, with our current squad and potentially upcoming papu/pedro/Mr.X, I dont think rossi would get enough minutes play
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 20, 2018, 08:06:03 AM
Recent vibes on Papu Gomez range from not as good to worst case scenario (if you wanted us to sign him).

Always had idea that is final solution, stop gap if every other option fails. According to generic reports, Lazio denies to pay that magic 15 million number. Really? Lotito just paid 13 million for Acerbi, don't think that 15 million for Gomez is unreachable for us.

It's not priority.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: HITMAN on July 20, 2018, 11:26:44 AM
It seems we are negotateing for REAL for Lucas Perez. He seems to be good player. Left footer. Good shoot and freekicks. Similar to LA( they are friends) but is faster then him. I would be pleased with him. Just no Luan. He is slow as hell. Also please NO to Pedro and definitly NOOOO to unfootball player like Borini. Wesley seems to have good potential with good charasteristics.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 20, 2018, 12:55:24 PM
Recent vibes on Papu Gomez range from not as good to worst case scenario (if you wanted us to sign him).

Always had idea that is final solution, stop gap if every other option fails.

My feeling on the situation has been that Gomez is keeping his options open with bigger clubs and if one comes calling and is serious, it could happen late in the window. What a lot of people are reading as Gomez being interested in us, I see more as Gomez being interested in a club bigger (in his mind) than Atalanta.

And some of what I see strikes me as classic 'if he ends up in Rome, it's not necessarily with us'. And from what I understand, not the only one having those thoughts, although the media have yet to go full 'market Derby' just yet...
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: torsten on July 20, 2018, 01:00:01 PM
Lucas Perez should be a object for us,

- he has worked out with Luis Alberto in the past
- he is a player that apperently created 79 chances last season seeing only messi beating him with 87 (we know Tare works a lot with these kinds of tools)
- he should be interested in reviving his career
- we seem to be looking at the PL for transfers this summer
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 20, 2018, 01:04:27 PM
Lucas Perez should be a object for us,

- he has worked out with Luis Alberto in the past
- he is a player that apperently created 79 chances last season seeing only messi beating him with 87 (we know Tare works a lot with these kinds of tools)
- he should be interested in reviving his career
- we seem to be looking at the PL for transfers this summer

But he's not the same player he was three seasons ago when Tare went and scouted him so this rumour is all built on the idea that Tare still likes the player, which is a big assumption.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: torsten on July 20, 2018, 01:32:54 PM
Lucas Perez should be a object for us,

- he has worked out with Luis Alberto in the past
- he is a player that apperently created 79 chances last season seeing only messi beating him with 87 (we know Tare works a lot with these kinds of tools)
- he should be interested in reviving his career
- we seem to be looking at the PL for transfers this summer

But he's not the same player he was three seasons ago when Tare went and scouted him so this rumour is all built on the idea that Tare still likes the player, which is a big assumption.

Sure, but did Tare know what kind of player Immobile was when he decided to buy him?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 20, 2018, 01:58:59 PM
Lucas Perez should be a object for us,

- he has worked out with Luis Alberto in the past
- he is a player that apperently created 79 chances last season seeing only messi beating him with 87 (we know Tare works a lot with these kinds of tools)
- he should be interested in reviving his career
- we seem to be looking at the PL for transfers this summer

But he's not the same player he was three seasons ago when Tare went and scouted him so this rumour is all built on the idea that Tare still likes the player, which is a big assumption.

Sure, but did Tare know what kind of player Immobile was when he decided to buy him?

I doubt it, since I think Immobile was very much Inzaghi's signing.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Lulic71 on July 20, 2018, 02:26:10 PM
Will never happen but I pray we sign Robben. Maybe the olimpico will finally have a decent average attendance!

Also please keep sergej! Do not bend over like Roma always do!

 :offlag: :offlag: :offlag:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: birulangit on July 20, 2018, 03:08:10 PM
so tare got the wrong vinicius a few season ago. the real vinicius is now at real madrid  :razz:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Giolazio on July 20, 2018, 03:12:00 PM
Lucas Perez should be a object for us,

- he has worked out with Luis Alberto in the past
- he is a player that apperently created 79 chances last season seeing only messi beating him with 87 (we know Tare works a lot with these kinds of tools)
- he should be interested in reviving his career
- we seem to be looking at the PL for transfers this summer

But he's not the same player he was three seasons ago when Tare went and scouted him so this rumour is all built on the idea that Tare still likes the player, which is a big assumption.

Sure, but did Tare know what kind of player Immobile was when he decided to buy him?

I doubt it, since I think Immobile was very much Inzaghi's signing.

Lotito's no?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 20, 2018, 03:14:30 PM
Lucas Perez should be a object for us,

- he has worked out with Luis Alberto in the past
- he is a player that apperently created 79 chances last season seeing only messi beating him with 87 (we know Tare works a lot with these kinds of tools)
- he should be interested in reviving his career
- we seem to be looking at the PL for transfers this summer

But he's not the same player he was three seasons ago when Tare went and scouted him so this rumour is all built on the idea that Tare still likes the player, which is a big assumption.

Sure, but did Tare know what kind of player Immobile was when he decided to buy him?

I doubt it, since I think Immobile was very much Inzaghi's signing.

Lotito's no?

Inzaghi said that when he was discussing market with Tare and was told Immobile was within reach, he told Tare to go out immediately and sign him.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 20, 2018, 03:38:48 PM
When Pedro Rodriguez was revealed to be 'Mister X', LaLaziosiamonoi didn't really run with the story and kept persisting with Gomez being the target. Today, they've started leaning towards Pedro and moving away from Gomez. For what it's worth, I've been told Lazio Style Radio are using LLSN as the 'official' news source. On the airwaves, they discuss only what LLSN write. Could mean nothing, could mean a lot.

One of the sources that reported on Rodriguez being 'Mister X' (La Repubblica) is now guessing that it might be Lucas Moura or Lazar Markovic. Il Tempo have guessed it's Sevilla's Joaquin Correa.

This is all getting a bit strange now. Lazio's market has gone quiet and keeping up the pretence that no one knows who Mister X is is keeping the rumour mill going.

But I honestly think it's Pedro. Just a question of whether it will actually happen. And if it does, where does that leave us with Gomez.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Giolazio on July 20, 2018, 03:51:02 PM
Lucas Perez should be a object for us,

- he has worked out with Luis Alberto in the past
- he is a player that apperently created 79 chances last season seeing only messi beating him with 87 (we know Tare works a lot with these kinds of tools)
- he should be interested in reviving his career
- we seem to be looking at the PL for transfers this summer

But he's not the same player he was three seasons ago when Tare went and scouted him so this rumour is all built on the idea that Tare still likes the player, which is a big assumption.

Sure, but did Tare know what kind of player Immobile was when he decided to buy him?

I doubt it, since I think Immobile was very much Inzaghi's signing.

Lotito's no?

Inzaghi said that when he was discussing market with Tare and was told Immobile was within reach, he told Tare to go out immediately and sign him.

I'm thinking of Matri.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: blue_sky on July 20, 2018, 03:59:41 PM
Lucas Perez should be a object for us,

- he has worked out with Luis Alberto in the past
- he is a player that apperently created 79 chances last season seeing only messi beating him with 87 (we know Tare works a lot with these kinds of tools)
- he should be interested in reviving his career
- we seem to be looking at the PL for transfers this summer

But he's not the same player he was three seasons ago when Tare went and scouted him so this rumour is all built on the idea that Tare still likes the player, which is a big assumption.

Sure, but did Tare know what kind of player Immobile was when he decided to buy him?

I doubt it, since I think Immobile was very much Inzaghi's signing.

Lotito's no?

Inzaghi said that when he was discussing market with Tare and was told Immobile was within reach, he told Tare to go out immediately and sign him.

I'm thinking of Matri.
So coincidence, me too.
MATRI
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: jovo on July 20, 2018, 04:21:56 PM
[quote author=Cathal link=topic=3246.msg224859#msg224859 date=15320939
One of the sources that reported on Rodriguez being 'Mister X' (La Repubblica) is now guessing that it might be Lucas Moura or Lazar Markovic. Il Tempo have guessed it's Sevilla's Joaquin Correa.

This is all getting a bit strange now. Lazio's market has gone quiet and keeping up the pretence that no one knows who Mister X is is keeping the rumour
[/quote]
Lucas Moura is beyond our reach . and the other two are not good enough. I would like to be Moura i liked him as a player since psz but we can not meet his demand of salary.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: drazvan on July 20, 2018, 04:35:54 PM
For me it sounds probable that we look at Pedro, Perez and Gomez in thia order.

I really think that Tare would sign Pedro of not too expensive (probably way lesss than the 25 mil mentioned), otherwise Perez as he followed him in the past and would score aome points with LA. As last, if none works, we will probably go for the safe solution Gomez. And i actually agree with this. First two are world class players, Papu is decemt but failed at “bigger” clubs and needs a team arranged around him. I think he wont enter our starting lineup at this point as he is weaker than LA or Milinkovic or even Berisha. While Pedro will take the starting spot from Marusic and Perez would not mind that much waiting his chances - and there will be many chances.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Stefano6 on July 20, 2018, 04:52:54 PM
How has Gomez failed at bigger clubs?
We would be by far the biggest club he has ever played for, hes never tried at a "big" club.

Id put Gomez higher in the order than Berisha if he were to come here, simply because he has over 200 Serie A appearances and experience under his belt, compared to Berisha whos highest level at the moment is the Austrian league.


If the players we are looking at is true, I would choose Perez, then Gomez, then Pedro.

I think Perez is a much better option as backup striker than Caicedo (who I would let go to Turkey, and keep Rossi as 3rd striker), he has a desire to come here, plays well with Alberto, and I think wont mind being backup to Ciro.

We all know what Gomez can do, but I wouldnt pay over €15m.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 20, 2018, 05:12:17 PM
How has Gomez failed at bigger clubs?

I'd imagine that was a reference to Metalist Kharkiv where Gomez went to play Champions League and once they were banned from participation, became quite unprofessional about it and tried everything to get out.

Wouldn't call it failing at a 'bigger' club, but the one time he tried to take a step up in his career, it was a disaster. Something you can overlook or read a whole lot into.

Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: lazioserbia on July 20, 2018, 05:29:35 PM
I really can't see how anyone can call a club from Ukraine nobody knows about - I know about it only because of betting, otherwise I wouldn't - a big club.

The only reason I wouldn't take Papu is his age. But other than that, for the right price, I'd take him.

Pedro shouldn't have any problem getting into our team, he's a tactically aware player, fits the system, knows how to defend and attack. Marusic and Lukaku will look like a couple of retards next to Pedro.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 20, 2018, 05:37:35 PM
I really can't see how anyone can call a club from Ukraine nobody knows about - I know about it only because of betting, otherwise I wouldn't - a big club.

At that time, Metalist Kharkiv had been in the last 32 of Europa League in 4 of the previous 5 seasons and had made a QF and had just qualified for the Champions League. drazvan didn't say bigger, he said 'bigger' - probably because you could consider Metalist at that time to be 'bigger' than Catania or Atalanta.

Since Metalist no longer exist, I wouldn't call them anything  :razz:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: lazioserbia on July 20, 2018, 05:46:06 PM
I really can't see how anyone can call a club from Ukraine nobody knows about - I know about it only because of betting, otherwise I wouldn't - a big club.

At that time, Metalist Kharkiv had been in the last 32 of Europa League in 4 of the previous 5 seasons and had made a QF and had just qualified for the Champions League. drazvan didn't say bigger, he said 'bigger' - probably because you could consider Metalist at that time to be 'bigger' than Catania or Atalanta.

Since Metalist no longer exist, I wouldn't call them anything  :razz:

 :razz:

I remember, Taison was the best player in that team.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Secret_Samadhi on July 20, 2018, 05:55:22 PM
I really can't see how anyone can call a club from Ukraine nobody knows about - I know about it only because of betting, otherwise I wouldn't - a big club.

At that time, Metalist Kharkiv had been in the last 32 of Europa League in 4 of the previous 5 seasons and had made a QF and had just qualified for the Champions League. drazvan didn't say bigger, he said 'bigger' - probably because you could consider Metalist at that time to be 'bigger' than Catania or Atalanta.

Since Metalist no longer exist, I wouldn't call them anything  :razz:
No way Metalist dosen't exist anymore? I knew Dnipro was bankrutt but Metalist is a surprise to me. Who is playing in Ukraine now, only Dynamo Kiev and Shaktar.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 20, 2018, 06:17:02 PM
No way Metalist dosen't exist anymore? I knew Dnipro was bankrutt but Metalist is a surprise to me. Who is playing in Ukraine now, only Dynamo Kiev and Shaktar.

Dnipro are in the same sort of situation Metalist were a couple of years ago. Metalist's owner was caught up in the politics. Not sure what the situation is, but I think both Metalist and Dnipro ended up struggling to pay the bills?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 20, 2018, 07:15:13 PM
As some of you know i live in Bruges and the footballclub is practically in my backyard so to speak. 

I watch the games but i'm no fanatic, but some friends and relatives attend trainingsessions and preseason friendlies.  Occassionally some get a few words in with employees at the club.

So here's the situation on Wesley from as close as one could get.

Since the start of the summerpreparations the coach Ivan Leko decided not to invest a single minute more into players that would certainly be leaving.  These being Limbombe & Diaby.  Limbombe being an attacking winger and Diaby the deep striker who was Wesley's steady partner in the starting lineup for most of last season.

Wesley has cleary been first choice during the summer when looking at the possible starting 11 for the new season.  Yesterday the players received their shirtnumbers, but the 2 set to leave did not. 

Now here come the actual words from Ivan Leko spoken yesterday to the local press after training:

'Limbombe & Diaby are expected to leave but Wesley himself said to me he's willing to stay another season.  He's one of my 2 starting strikers and stilly very much part the group.  The club has confirmed that he can only leave if a bid comes in that fully meets the demands, this being the full amount of 15mil.'

Incoming transfermoney for Diaby & Limbombe will even the spendings being made so it's safe to say they are not exactly waiting for money to continue and are happy to keep Wesley.

The local media HLN & voetbalkrant claim the Lazio offer untill now has been 8mil + bonuses while Italian media have been claiming the Lazio bid was raised to 12-13mil + possible bonuses later on.

So it's safe to conclude that Wesley is currenlty not preparing for a move to Rome.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: blue_sky on July 21, 2018, 01:24:43 AM
I think we need to take Karius to make competition to Strakosha. Considered also the one failed in Liverpool will be successful in Lazio. See LA
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: edo_shehb on July 21, 2018, 08:14:56 AM
I think we need to take Karius to make competition to Strakosha. Considered also the one failed in Liverpool will be successful in Lazio. See LA

tell me you're joking

Karius have such a huge burden and being Strakosha deputy (or any keeper I assume) wont help him that much

if he want to restart his career he need to move somewhere he guaranteed to start
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: blue_sky on July 21, 2018, 09:19:55 AM
I think we need to take Karius to make competition to Strakosha. Considered also the one failed in Liverpool will be successful in Lazio. See LA

tell me you're joking

Karius have such a huge burden and being Strakosha deputy (or any keeper I assume) wont help him that much

if he want to restart his career he need to move somewhere he guaranteed to start
Nope I'm not joking.
Indeed this idea is to challenge Strakosha.
Every player need competition to get what is best from him.
Of course this only apply for players that have potential development.
Anyway llsn report that Mr x claims to be Ramirez.
Now mister x is moving position from a replacement of FA to a replacement of SMS. what a joke.
The one I only happy about the rumors is that about Angel Correa from Atletico who is expired in 2019
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 21, 2018, 01:42:34 PM
More news about Tare wanting to sign Alex Iwobi. Please no, he's not good enough.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: torsten on July 21, 2018, 02:13:09 PM
More news about Tare wanting to sign Alex Iwobi. Please no, he's not good enough.

I got a good feeling about Iwobi in Serie A. Can see him do the job that Keita did with us. But we shouldn’t have to pay the rumoured 20-25M euros.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: lazioserbia on July 21, 2018, 02:29:02 PM
No Arsenal players, please.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Nando87 on July 21, 2018, 05:13:20 PM
Montolivo was left out of the Milan squad for their upcoming tour. Would be a decent depth move.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Akha on July 21, 2018, 05:51:21 PM
Montolivo was left out of the Milan squad for their upcoming tour. Would be a decent depth move.

He earns over 3mln a season. Can't see it happening.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: lazioserbia on July 21, 2018, 05:53:51 PM
Montolivo was left out of the Milan squad for their upcoming tour. Would be a decent depth move.

He earns over 3mln a season. Can't see it happening.

Hahaha 3 million? No wonder they're ****ed!
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 21, 2018, 07:55:21 PM
Premium sport launches a rumour of Lazio preparing a 1y contract extension (2023) for Sergej raising his salary to 3mil per season.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 21, 2018, 07:58:52 PM
Schurrle to leave Borussia Dortmund in coming days, source from within club says. Negotiation with one club is advanced phase and announcement expected soon.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Don on July 21, 2018, 08:00:04 PM
Schurrle to leave Borussia Dortmund in coming days, source from within club says. Negotiation with one club is advanced phase and announcement expected soon.
Please not!
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Don on July 21, 2018, 08:02:35 PM
Premium sport launches a rumour of Lazio preparing a 1y contract extension (2023) for Sergej raising his salary to 3mil per season.
Would be highest paid player?
Well beside his reputation and market value still too much compared to others...
But renewing and a salary above 2 mio... okay..

Then we have to adjust/extent some others as well, LA e.g.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 21, 2018, 08:16:36 PM
Schurrle to leave Borussia Dortmund in coming days, source from within club says. Negotiation with one club is advanced phase and announcement expected soon.

Is there anything linking him with Lazio?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 21, 2018, 08:21:35 PM
Schurrle to leave Borussia Dortmund in coming days, source from within club says. Negotiation with one club is advanced phase and announcement expected soon.

Is there anything linking him with Lazio?

Not a word by now.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: lazioserbia on July 21, 2018, 08:34:40 PM
Schurrle to leave Borussia Dortmund in coming days, source from within club says. Negotiation with one club is advanced phase and announcement expected soon.
Please not!

 :razz:

I wouldn't like it either.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: LazioKosovo on July 21, 2018, 08:37:43 PM
Schurrle to leave Borussia Dortmund in coming days, source from within club says. Negotiation with one club is advanced phase and announcement expected soon.

Is there anything linking him with Lazio?

Not a word by now.

But not for long :razz:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: campiador on July 21, 2018, 08:48:19 PM
I mean I take Schurle over Caicedo any day.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Rizmo on July 21, 2018, 08:56:22 PM
Tare is Schurrley not spending money on him! I hope...
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 21, 2018, 09:26:25 PM
Tare is Schurrley not spending money on him! I hope...

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Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 21, 2018, 09:44:13 PM
We've seen the tv package getting A LOT better for Lazio. We have decent sponsorship now and we're doing well financially.

We shouldn't get ahead of ourselves, that goes without saying. But now might be the right time for the club to increase the wage cap and willingly start paying the best players more and offer higher wages to potential new signings.

It's important for the club to preserve the harmony in the team and the club has to show respect for the old players who gave so much for this team. But surely no one can argue against Sergej and Ciro deserving more in wage. Ciro has earned it by way of being the striker we so desperately needed and Sergej..well he's one of the most sought after young players in the world right now.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: phantomm1976 on July 22, 2018, 12:41:28 AM
 Mauricio-Morrison-Kishna-Cataldi-Lombardi back from the loan.
 Vargic-Basta-Patric-Wallace-Lukaku(we buy Durmishi) are stil our players.
 This means that we paid 10 players-and all of them are not Lazio material.
 I'm not counting Marusic(Inzaghi likes him).
 This is a BIG PROBLEM.
 Any details about those players?
 Any chance for miracle?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 22, 2018, 11:04:52 AM
Schurrle to leave Borussia Dortmund in coming days, source from within club says. Negotiation with one club is advanced phase and announcement expected soon.

Is there anything linking him with Lazio?

Not a word by now.

But not for long :razz:

https://www.football-italia.net/124820/lazio-seek-schurrle (https://www.football-italia.net/124820/lazio-seek-schurrle)

And there it is..
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Ljubo1 on July 22, 2018, 12:14:40 PM
Hey, don't mock my most realible site.  :beer: Here is also http://www.lalaziosiamonoi.it/in-evidenza/live-calciomercato-lazio-perez-da-vice-anderson-a-vice-immobile-wesley-in-attesa-idea-schurrle-97190 (http://www.lalaziosiamonoi.it/in-evidenza/live-calciomercato-lazio-perez-da-vice-anderson-a-vice-immobile-wesley-in-attesa-idea-schurrle-97190) 1 year loan with an option to buy I'm all for it.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: LazioKosovo on July 22, 2018, 12:19:35 PM
Schurrle to leave Borussia Dortmund in coming days, source from within club says. Negotiation with one club is advanced phase and announcement expected soon.

Is there anything linking him with Lazio?

Not a word by now.

But not for long :razz:

https://www.football-italia.net/124820/lazio-seek-schurrle (https://www.football-italia.net/124820/lazio-seek-schurrle)

And there it is..

Journalism is not what it used to be. They are late.....
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Stefano6 on July 22, 2018, 12:25:41 PM
And they are simply copying a number of other bullshit sites that copy and paste rumour, like goal.com, tuttomercatoweb, etc.

They say the news is in Il Tempo.. but its not.. I can find no reliable source at all, I wouldnt be at all surprised if they got the rumour from this forum. There are a lot of terrible "news" sites out there, and Fi.net is one of the worst.


IMO, I wouldnt take Schurrle, he was terrible for Dortmund, couldnt hold down a place and was pretty bad when he did play. Theres also been suggestions over his lazy work ethic. Not to mention his wage would easily be covered by a Premiership club, even a smaller one, but would be too much for us.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 22, 2018, 01:10:38 PM
It's a news without actual news. They only report that Schurrle is on way out of Dortmund and that fact alone connects him with Lazio. They could write 'Catania goes after Schurrle', it's the same.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 22, 2018, 01:16:21 PM
Most of the people that work on these websites and some of the people that run them have other jobs. Their Lazio news sites are money-spinner side projects. I spent 6 months writing for LaLaziosiamonoi years ago and I'm confident there's good people there but I spent so little time there because it was unpaid and lacking in structure and the person who recruited me went on to better things. So have many people I've encountered over the years including some of our own forum members.

The reality is, much of it is true and much of it is complete BS to fill space and earn clicks and trying to decide which is which is difficult. I used to have a rule that if someone was quoted, then you could trust it but that no longer applies because some interviews are flat made up and many presidents, DS' etc. lie.

Schürrle, I suspect, is mere clickbait but there are no reliable sources anymore so pick and choose what you want to believe, I guess.

As we've historically had something of an inside track with Lazio, I'll always try to get some good info to the forum, but I do think we are followed somewhat so I have to be careful and so do the guys that give it to us in riddles.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Dash on July 22, 2018, 01:44:21 PM
Rumor is that Arlind Ajeti is being targeted by Tare. This is something said by friends and relatives of Ajeti. Don't know how true but the one of the people mentioning Lazio is positive of Lazio and said a medical is scheduled next week.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: lazioserbia on July 22, 2018, 03:08:36 PM
Rumor is that Arlind Ajeti is being targeted by Tare. This is something said by friends and relatives of Ajeti. Don't know how true but the one of the people mentioning Lazio is positive of Lazio and said a medical is scheduled next week.

Rumor because they're both Albanians. Other than that, Ajetija has nothing to do in Lazio.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Dash on July 22, 2018, 03:26:20 PM
Hope not. Doesn't have enough quality for Lazio.

Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Don on July 22, 2018, 03:41:42 PM
Somehow I have the feeling, some Journalists are closely Monitoring our Thread...
 :razz:

Should Think twice of which names we put in here... It becomes a boomerang  :wow:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 22, 2018, 04:56:19 PM
Some more info on Wesley.

Supercup game tonight and the club announced 3 soon to be gone players did not get selected or get shirtnumbers.
Wesley not one of them, and is expected to be in the first 11.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: edo_shehb on July 22, 2018, 05:27:59 PM
Somehow I have the feeling, some Journalists are closely Monitoring our Thread...
 :razz:

Should Think twice of which names we put in here... It becomes a boomerang  :wow:

we should talk more about tare planning a "messi raid" then  :razz:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 22, 2018, 08:17:33 PM
Media speculating about SMS' future because he suggested on social media his holidays are over but he's not due in Formello for another week.

Which is interesting, because 'the boss' told us a week ago SMS is due at Auronzo tomorrow.

Let's see...
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Silindeee on July 22, 2018, 08:34:27 PM
I m sure he will stay for another year with us. No offer above 100m will come i guess , so we wont sell him unless he tells Lotito he wants out.
What club is willing ti give that money i wonder... united? Psg ? Not many clubs that he can fit this year
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 22, 2018, 08:51:44 PM
HT in the Belgian Supercup Club Brugge - Standard 2-0.  (goals Vanaken & Wesley).

Wesley is playing the target man role as the deepest striker and got served exactly 1 time in 45min.
A long high ball into the box, controlled with one touch while holding of 2 defenders and finishing low from a wide angle. 
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 22, 2018, 09:10:56 PM
Media speculating about SMS' future because he suggested on social media his holidays are over but he's not due in Formello for another week.

Which is interesting, because 'the boss' told us a week ago SMS is due at Auronzo tomorrow.

Let's see...

He said on Instagram post 'Last night with my fiancee (or something like that)' and posted picture of them two at some ceremony from yesterday evening. I simply think he posted about last night event more than end of vacation.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Stefano6 on July 22, 2018, 10:28:03 PM
Yeah I think thats a translation issue.. he wrote the post in English and he said "last night..."

In italian theyve translated that as the last night (ultima sera), as in the last night before they leave, when it should be last night as in yesterday night (ieri sera). The confusion coming because in english there is only one word  "last" and in italian there are two.

Makes more sense also if he posted it during the day, referring that the photo was taken the previous night.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Secret_Samadhi on July 22, 2018, 11:27:55 PM
Swedish media claims Lazio are after Swedish dm Pontus Wernbloom, who will leave CSKA Moskva as a fee agent this summer.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 22, 2018, 11:52:42 PM
My two cents on the mercato so far:

I believe the club is making a big mistake with focusing on the forward positions right now or potentially looking at signing a midfielder to help with the busy schedule next season.

People might disagree with me, but I'd be perfectly happy with keeping Caicedo for another season. I'd be perfectly happy with using Sprocati the replacement for Felipe. This Sprocati guy, I'm intrigued. He has done well in training and the club has done well with identifying players who came from lesser leagues.

All of that is perfectly fine with me, if it means we spend the rest of the transfer budget on that fuc king defence. I don't understand what is going on with seemingly keeping Bastos and Wallace for another season, but if that's what we're going with again then trust me we're going to concede around 50 goals in Serie A again next season and we're going to have another season where the attack has to outscore our useless defenders if the team is to win.

I'm very happy with Acerbi joining, but Wallace and Bastos aren't suddenly going to turn into solid defenders. Luiz Felipe still lacks experience and Caceres looked just as shit as the other defenders after he joined the team.

If we have so much money we can sign someone like Pedro then surely we can afford signing another CB on the same level as Acerbi or maybe even better?

If there's any of you who believe the club is making the right decision with regards to the defence..then please do let me know why you think so.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 23, 2018, 12:03:11 AM
Can anyone name a defender we'd all agree is better than Bastos, Wallace, Caceres, Luiz Felipe etc. that could play on the right side of that back three and would accept a salary under 3 million per season and Lazio as a destination?

Off the top of my head, it's a struggle.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: mikitsi on July 23, 2018, 12:10:10 AM
I'm bit amazed that there is no Badstuber/Glik rumours.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 23, 2018, 12:32:21 AM
Players who I believe could play that position better than Wallace and Bastos:

Nicolas Nkoulou
Rafael Tolói
Kamil Glik

I don't believe any of them are out of our reach.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: torsten on July 23, 2018, 12:55:32 AM
Luiz Felipe - One of the most promising defender we’ve had in years. Wouldn’t want to push him even further down the pecking order
Caceres - My first choice for the RCB spot, did a good WC. We’ve all seen his highest level. Last season with us was “ruined because he came a bit late, will do this year as well cause of the WC. But he still had a season last year with us.
Wallace - Looks like Inzaghis first guy at RCB if he doesn’t wanna have Caceres there. Wallace could very much so grow this year with Acerbi that controls him perhaps better than de Vrij did.
Bastos - Probably the one lowest in the order. Has the speed, muscles, heading skills etc, but lacks the game reading. Could learn it, and if he does I think that we have the most valuable defender in him. Worth keeping if we don’t get a good offer for him.

With this in mind, I know you don’t agree with me ilsemprelaziale but, with this in mind, does this seem worse and in more need to fix than the offensive?

Caicedo- As most of us in here seem to agree can’t do the job (score goals). If you compare what he’s supposed to do to what the likes of Wallace, Bastos, Luiz Felipe and Caceres are so supposed to do (clean sheets, no errors etc). I’ll say Caicedo looses.

Pedro Neto - As our back up to Luis Alberto, do I need to say anything here?
Sprocati - Could be a hit, could be quite quiet like Di Gennaros performances.

As I see it, it makes a lot more sense to put effort in fixing a new guy up front rather than down at the back.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: jovo on July 23, 2018, 01:23:35 AM
Can anyone name a defender we'd all agree is better than Bastos, Wallace, Caceres, Luiz Felipe etc. that could play on the right side of that back three and would accept a salary under 3 million per season and Lazio as a destination?

Off the top of my head, it's a struggle.
Mateo Musachio still young didn' t play much last year in Milan. Better than what we have at the moment
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 23, 2018, 01:48:50 AM
Players who I believe could play that position better than Wallace and Bastos:

Nicolas Nkoulou
Rafael Tolói
Kamil Glik

I don't believe any of them are out of our reach.

I know you Ilsempre my friend, you want the best for Lazio but that's not happening.  Nkoulou would be for the central role and he's simply not good enough for that at Lazio.  He had decent games for Torino last season but also a few much lesser ones.  He's not even close to Acerbi's level and Luiz Felipe will surely become much better.

Glik is a starter at Monaco who has received a fortune of incoming cash from outgoing players.  If a club asks for Glik they will surely set a price for at least 25mil but probably around 30mil.  He's basic value is at 18mil for the moment and even with a chance of that is something Lazio will not be paying.  Not even talking about salary.

Toloi is a very good RCB, that's obvious.  I would certainly like seeing him arrive at Lazio.  But we have Wallace who is much younger, wich Lazio has invested a lot of money in and should be expected to only get better and more experienced.  Playing next to Acerbi instead of De Vrij should already be an upgrade for him and without a season full of injury and fitness struggle like last season.  Not even mentioning that for Atalanta to sell us Toloi it would take at least 15mil, if lucky.  In fact chances are they would even ignore such a bid since the last they want is for us to get better and for them to get weaker.

Luiz Felipe - One of the most promising defender we’ve had in years. Wouldn’t want to push him even further down the pecking order
Caceres - My first choice for the RCB spot, did a good WC. We’ve all seen his highest level. Last season with us was “ruined because he came a bit late, will do this year as well cause of the WC. But he still had a season last year with us.
Wallace - Looks like Inzaghis first guy at RCB if he doesn’t wanna have Caceres there. Wallace could very much so grow this year with Acerbi that controls him perhaps better than de Vrij did.
Bastos - Probably the one lowest in the order. Has the speed, muscles, heading skills etc, but lacks the game reading. Could learn it, and if he does I think that we have the most valuable defender in him. Worth keeping if we don’t get a good offer for him.

Caicedo- As most of us in here seem to agree can’t do the job (score goals). If you compare what he’s supposed to do to what the likes of Wallace, Bastos, Luiz Felipe and Caceres are so supposed to do (clean sheets, no errors etc). I’ll say Caicedo looses.

Pedro Neto - As our back up to Luis Alberto, do I need to say anything here?
Sprocati - Could be a hit, could be quite quiet like Di Gennaros performances.

As I see it, it makes a lot more sense to put effort in fixing a new guy up front rather than down at the back.

Very good post wich i tend to agree with.  With a new and improved start for Wallace, Acerbi instead of De Vrij and a growing Luiz Felipe the defence should be better then last season.

I share the opinion that Caicedo will never be able to make a difference for us when it comes down to it, for me this was proven last season on several occassion  That plus the absence of Felipe Anderson is obviously a clear sign that there's work to be done in offence.  Nani isn't here to backup either, let's not forget.

We need a better backup striker and a fitting Felipe replacement this summer.  And if possible a younger, more dynamic and more dangerous rightwinger instead of Basta.  If those first 2 signing happen (with adequate signings of course) i won't even spill another word about keeping Di Gennaro as vice Leiva. 
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: TracyJacks on July 23, 2018, 05:42:25 AM
I prefer Francesco Vicari as Acerbi understudy (he’s naturally CB/sweeper). Cheap, potential and fit with 3 man defense line. I’ll give a chance to Wallace. Think he’s gonna improve this season. So, we can focus him & ramos on RCB. But, not for Bastos. This is the perfect time to let him go.

Ramos - Acerbi - Radu
Wallace - Vicari - Caceres
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 23, 2018, 08:43:29 AM
The problem with the defence is that Lazio have about six players who could play right centre-back - none of them convincing anyone - while Radu is left without a natural understudy. So signing one defender doesn't solve all the problems we have back there unless one of those six players come good alongside Radu and Acerbi.

Looking at the names that have been suggested, I just don't think Musacchio or Nkoulou are good enough. Musacchio is floundering at Milan which I fully expected him to do because I always thought he was overrated at Villarreal and Nkoulou has had a solid season after many years in the doldrums - how is that any different to Caceres?

Glik, I've always said is on the very perimeter of what's possible and mentioning him as if he's realistic is unrealistic while Toloi probably isn't in a rush back to Rome and while a good fit overall, I'm not quite sure he's up to it at the highest level and not sure he'd consider Lazio to be enough of a step up to leave Bergamo.

I didn't ask the question to come down on the response, but I know full well that we're not all going to be in agreement whereas as torsten points out, we'd probably all agree that going into the new season with Pedro Neto as Luis Alberto's back-up isn't acceptable.

Pre-season is about figuring things out and I said a long time ago - because it was obvious - that Inzaghi needs 2-3 weeks to understand where certain players are.

Now he's healthy, can Wallace step up? Can Bastos learn the craft with Acerbi in our ranks? Is Sprocati ready for Serie A? What does Pedro Neto offer? Has a season in Serie B brought Rossi along? Will Caicedo be a better player with a pre-season with the club behind him? Can Lombardi play wing-back? Can Patric be an effective centre-back? Has Basta still got it?

These are all questions only pre-season can answer and when we have answers, we will act accordingly.

Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: drazvan on July 23, 2018, 09:03:35 AM
I think Inzaghi would think that Berisha can play as vice-Luis Alberto if needed. His assists record certainly stands out. Not really the same type of player, but you cant really have 2 similar teams. I guess if beeded even Lulic is seen as a potential backup. And Pedro Neto seemed to try to impress in the friendly. With his price tag no way he goes on loan aomewhere and staying at Primavera would not really improve him. But yeah, it depends what Inzaghi actually wants...
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 23, 2018, 10:07:05 AM
L'Equipe claim Lazio have offered 17 million + bonuses for Lille's Thiago Mendes. Would take it with a pinch of salt, but has the profile of a player that could be vice-Leiva, while providing competition for Parolo and Marusic and being a possible alternative to SMS or Luis Alberto.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: blue-white on July 23, 2018, 10:23:47 AM
L'Equipe claim Lazio have offered 17 million + bonuses for Lille's Thiago Mendes. Would take it with a pinch of salt, but has the profile of a player that could be vice-Leiva, while providing competition for Parolo and Marusic and being a possible alternative to SMS or Luis Alberto.

THAT would be a signing! Was watching some matches reminded me of a Ramires/Luiz Gustavo guy.
Didn't see him play on the right side, but if he would be really an alternative to Marusic, it would be great, because in my opinion, the real important position were we would need someone.
btw...I'm still for Lainer there.... :vcool:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Don on July 23, 2018, 11:40:59 AM
Did I get it? 17 Mio for a Backup in Thiago Mendes?

Is Berisha only considered as vice SMS/LA ???

Thought him to be the perfect Lulic / Marusic overtaker
So that Marusic gets someone who can do his job or Lulic can rest/ perform as CM DM alternative
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: LazioKosovo on July 23, 2018, 01:51:17 PM
I have no clue who this guy is but according to Wikipedia, Thiago Mendes is defensive midfielder. I don't understand how come that you guys see him in Marusic's position. Also, why Tare doesn't offer Patric and 10 million for Lainer.....
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 23, 2018, 02:00:25 PM
17 Mio for a Backup?

Last summer, Lazio were linked to Richarlison. He was valued at 2 million euro on Transfermarkt and Lazio were said to be considering a 12 million euro bid.

He signed for Watford for 12.5 million and Transfermarkt immediately raised his value, but only to 7 million euro.

Today, he's valued at 25 million euro, but Everton are about to sign him for 56 million euro.

Point is, the market value is what the selling club is prepared to sell for and the buying club is prepared to pay.

17 million for a 'back-up' does seem excessive for Lazio, but the market is getting out of hand and a lot of the transfers we've done at seemingly low figures have turned out to be high - with various clauses, SMS and Anderson have cost almost 20 million, for example.

I have no clue who this guy is but according to Wikipedia, Thiago Mendes is defensive midfielder. I don't understand how come that you guys see him in Marusic's position.

Because he's played right wing-back at various stages of his career, including at times last season (as well as many other positions).
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Don on July 23, 2018, 02:44:19 PM
Because Richarlison was 20 and still is 21, means paying for talent...
Thiago Mendes is already on the wrong end of his 20s... and still: 17 mio for a backup??? Market as it is, but we are Lazio, not a PL club...

If we would consider him to exactly be the heir of somebody very soon,... but...?

SMS and FA were also different examples as they cost us so much after performing and activating clauses therefore etc...

Definately we need players to cover Lulic, Parolo and Leiva at some point... is that the strategy then?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Giolazio on July 23, 2018, 02:48:17 PM
Because Richarlison was 20 and still is 21, means paying for talent...
Thiago Mendes is already on the wrong end of his 20s... and still: 17 mio for a backup??? Market as it is, but we are Lazio, not a PL club...

If we would consider him to exactly be the heir of somebody very soon,... but...?

SMS and FA were also different examples as they cost us so much after performing and activating clauses therefore etc...

Definately we need players to cover Lulic, Parolo and Leiva at some point... is that the strategy then?

The point is the market is changing. You don't have to be a rich PL club to pay 17mil for a back-up these days. We just sold a back-up for 40mil. It's all relative.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Don on July 23, 2018, 02:54:09 PM
Because Richarlison was 20 and still is 21, means paying for talent...
Thiago Mendes is already on the wrong end of his 20s... and still: 17 mio for a backup??? Market as it is, but we are Lazio, not a PL club...

If we would consider him to exactly be the heir of somebody very soon,... but...?

SMS and FA were also different examples as they cost us so much after performing and activating clauses therefore etc...

Definately we need players to cover Lulic, Parolo and Leiva at some point... is that the strategy then?

The point is the market is changing. You don't have to be a rich PL club to pay 17mil for a back-up these days. We just sold a back-up for 40mil. It's all relative.
De always dealt well with getting players not in these trends... and really: when did even our last starters cost 17 mio upfront?

This cannot be considered as serious as mentioned...
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 23, 2018, 03:04:24 PM
Market as it is, but we are Lazio, not a PL club...

The point is the market is changing. You don't have to be a rich PL club to pay 17mil for a back-up these days. We just sold a back-up for 40mil. It's all relative.

Exactly.

Juventus, Inter, Milan, Napoli and 1927 all generate more revenue per year than Everton, who like I said, are about to spend 56 million euro on a single player. That means the 5 teams we are competing with in this league can all afford to spend 60+ million on a player if they want to do so.

I've seen so many people laughing at Milan regarding Immobile, but any of the clubs we are competing with can afford to spend 80 million on Ciro if they want to. They just have to make a few sacrifices.

Unless we're happy being 6th at best every year, we're going to have to accept that Lotito spending 5-10 million on players and maybe only 15-20 million on a player once every 5 years is over.

We've started including resale clauses in our deals to try and compete without spending much money. The next step is to simply start spending more money.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Juzko on July 23, 2018, 03:07:14 PM
Because Richarlison was 20 and still is 21, means paying for talent...
Thiago Mendes is already on the wrong end of his 20s... and still: 17 mio for a backup??? Market as it is, but we are Lazio, not a PL club...

If we would consider him to exactly be the heir of somebody very soon,... but...?

SMS and FA were also different examples as they cost us so much after performing and activating clauses therefore etc...

Definately we need players to cover Lulic, Parolo and Leiva at some point... is that the strategy then?

Signing someone for 17M who can replace with quality anyone from the aging middlefield and even cover the right flank when needed doesnt sound bad at all to me, could technically be a "backup" but ending up playing a lot and giving Inzaghi a lot of options and variations, kind of like Caceres at the defence but younger and better.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Nass on July 23, 2018, 03:21:45 PM
Thiago Mendes would for sure make a good addition to our squad and could grow to overtake Leiva position with proper guidance. The Portuguese speaking colony at Lazio might help him choose us above Wolfsburg who also have placed a bid worth 17m €. West Ham could steal the deal with their reported interest as they are yet to advance with a 18m £ bid.

I hope the Wenbloom rumor is true though, he is real warrior that one, started off as a holding DM and played CM, AM and forward throughout his career with success. IMO he is the best (most underrated) midfielder out of Sweden ATM and has great personality both as player and person. With him and Zlatan Sweden could have won over England and reached the Semi-finals for sure. To not convince Wernbloom and Zlatan to represent Sweden was their biggest mistake.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Akha on July 23, 2018, 03:24:32 PM
I've seen so many people laughing at Milan regarding Immobile, but any of the clubs we are competing with can afford to spend 80 million on Ciro if they want to. They just have to make a few sacrifices.

I believe they were not laughing at Milan for not having money to buy Ciro but at them thinking Lotito will be willing to sell. And I agree with that - offloading Ciro even for the mentioned amount would only make us weaker and Claudio probably knows that.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 23, 2018, 03:30:27 PM
I believe they were not laughing at Milan for not having money to buy Ciro but at them thinking Lotito will be willing to sell.

I don't know about that - I saw so many comments in various places along the lines of Milan not being able to afford Immobile. If Lotito isn't willing to sell, no one can, but can Milan spend 80 million on a player? Sure. Many thought Juve couldn't afford Ronaldo but a quick look at their finances shows it's not an issue.

Everyone talks about what Premier League clubs spend and the silly money there is there while bemoaning the lack of money in Italy.

There are 5 clubs in this league that are super-rich that could spend 100 million on a player tomorrow if they really wanted to. If we're trying to compete with that, we shouldn't be surprised if suddenly Lotito seems generous with his money. That's all I was trying to say basically.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Akha on July 23, 2018, 03:41:49 PM
There are 5 clubs in this league that are super-rich that could spend 100 million on a player tomorrow if they really wanted to. If we're trying to compete with that, we shouldn't be surprised if suddenly Lotito seems generous with his money. That's all I was trying to say basically.

Okay, but if that's a good decision business-wise is questionable I think (and that's why it's not really happening). These 100mln transfers are conducted only by European top dogs - they can afford that and still continue their mercati - I don't believe Milan buying a 80mln player will let them continue their transfer operations and that would leave their team vulnerable in different areas and possibly be followed by FFP consequences (or am I missing the point here?).

Regarding the second sentence, I agree.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 23, 2018, 04:12:12 PM
Okay, but if that's a good decision business-wise is questionable I think (and that's why it's not really happening). These 100mln transfers are conducted only by European top dogs - they can afford that and still continue their mercati - I don't believe Milan buying a 80mln player will let them continue their transfer operations and that would leave their team vulnerable in different areas and possibly be followed by FFP consequences (or am I missing the point here?).

I'm just saying they can, not necessarily that they should or that they want to. It was a very hypothetical example.

Lazio earn 75 million less than Milan per year and spend only 50 million less than Milan on salaries. That means, in very simple terms, Milan have 25 million more to spend than us. Our budget is supposedly 60 million euro, so that means Milan can spend 85 million euro. If they want to, they could make Immobile their only target, bid 80 million and offer him 5 million per year salary and like us, they'll be fine with UEFA next year.

In my opinion, there's this idea that there's no money in Serie A and that Milan, Inter and 1927 are all cash-strapped because UEFA are watching them while Lazio have a bit of money to burn. That's just not true. The big 5 in Italy can easily indulge in some Premier League-level spending if they desire; it's just that most Italian clubs would rather spend 100 million on 10-15 players than spend 50+ million euro in a player the manager wants to complete his team for the upcoming season.

Hypothetically, we might be competing with both Inter and Huddersfield Town for this Thiago Mendes. If those clubs have bid 16 million - which is peanuts to them - we've got to go to 17 million. And then we also need to offer a sexy salary, otherwise Thiago is going to turn around to his club and say 'I fancy Inter because they're offering me double in wages' or 'I fancy playing in the Premier League - sell me to Huddersfield'.

I don't think we actually disagree here, just trying to point out there are plenty of clubs in world football that can afford to pay astronomical fees. It's just most have a very different strategy.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 23, 2018, 04:26:47 PM
L'Equipe claim Lazio have offered 17 million + bonuses for Lille's Thiago Mendes. Would take it with a pinch of salt, but has the profile of a player that could be vice-Leiva, while providing competition for Parolo and Marusic and being a possible alternative to SMS or Luis Alberto.

A target fitting right up our sleeve.  Versatile, meaning covering several positions wich Inzaghi likes.  Already hinted he likes a smaller roster with versatile players.  Could sub Leiva, either winger, either mezzala, even Alberto.

17mil is fine since he's an obvious talent and the hierarchy in the roster would still be obvious.

The best rumour so far, for me ...  :twinkle:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 23, 2018, 04:34:05 PM
Just as a further example of what I meant earlier.

We spend 11 million on 30 year-old Acerbi and it's seen as expensive, not very Lotito-esue and questionable.

But Inter have spent 37 million on 30 year-old Nainggolan - who has had a woeful season just gone - and for some reason they are seen as a financially limited team not capable of competing with Premier League clubs and therefore a team Lazio should be able to compete with on the market and on the pitch.

It just doesn't add up. Time to forget about ta push for a Champions League placing if 17 million euro for a 25 year-old back-up makes us uneasy. If 17 million for this particular player is an issue, fine, but we've got to get used to 17 million.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Secret_Samadhi on July 23, 2018, 06:52:37 PM
Reports of clubs wanting Pjanić and Juve wants SMS as replacement. Suggestion to Lotito, don't sell to Juve. There is bigger money abroad.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: campiador on July 23, 2018, 07:22:29 PM
Yes to Thiago Mendes! He can be the vice-Parolo by 2019.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: torsten on July 23, 2018, 07:39:37 PM
Thiago Mendes would for sure make a good addition to our squad and could grow to overtake Leiva position with proper guidance. The Portuguese speaking colony at Lazio might help him choose us above Wolfsburg who also have placed a bid worth 17m €. West Ham could steal the deal with their reported interest as they are yet to advance with a 18m £ bid.

I hope the Wenbloom rumor is true though, he is real warrior that one, started off as a holding DM and played CM, AM and forward throughout his career with success. IMO he is the best (most underrated) midfielder out of Sweden ATM and has great personality both as player and person. With him and Zlatan Sweden could have won over England and reached the Semi-finals for sure. To not convince Wernbloom and Zlatan to represent Sweden was their biggest mistake.

As for Thiago Mendes,

Don't really know anything about this guy, is he a player that we would want to spend €17M on?


As for Wernblom,

Hm, don't know what you're getting this from. Are you from Gothenburg? :razz:
Joke aside, he's a pretty good player. If we buy him i would be more glad because of the person we're getting than the player, he seems to be a funny guy. About him as a player, he can play basically everywhere, and i mean everywhere. But the last year he's been playing as a striker or as a supporting striker. But he's far away from being the best midfielder out of the ones Sweden have.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 24, 2018, 11:42:45 AM
Lazio have officially signed a large number of young players in the last couple of days and while it's always hard to get info on these kids and it's probably not really of much interest until they show something in the youth ranks, there's one player generating a bit of buzz.

Lazio have signed 16 year-old goalkeeper Mattia Marocco. He's already 1.94m tall and has already made his debut for Sondrio in Serie D. Given the head of our youth department is Mauro Bianchessi who worked at Milan and is credited as the man that discovered Donnarumma, you can see where the hype is coming from.

Bianchessi is very adamant about Lazio signing Italian players as opposed to foreigners of similar talent and ability, and it's worth nothing every player we have signed for our youth ranks to date is Italian.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 24, 2018, 02:30:02 PM
More news about Sergej and Juventus.

120 mill euros and pjaca. If that really is the offer..can we afford to say no?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: badboyyy on July 24, 2018, 02:30:16 PM
When SMS comes from vacation? Because many crazy rumors about him. In my opinion this season he is playing in Laziale colors
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: blue-white on July 24, 2018, 02:36:11 PM
More news about Sergej and Juventus.

120 mill euros and pjaca. If that really is the offer..can we afford to say no?
If true, we should take it.
btw... if  and only if ... Pjaca stays injury free, he would be a real massive signing. I guess that people already write him off too early. He is 23 years old, has an huge pace - first 3-5 metres he reminds me of Klose.
The point is - if he is able to get back where he was before he joined Juve, it would be a sensational transfer. The question is... who believes in him?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 24, 2018, 02:38:47 PM
Wouldn't take Pjaca. Impossible to tell if he's just been unlucky with injuries or simply sucks hard outside of Croatia. Since I couldn't see what the fuss was about 2 years ago when Juventus signed him, I really wouldn't want him now.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: blue-white on July 24, 2018, 02:50:19 PM
Wouldn't take Pjaca. Impossible to tell if he's just been unlucky with injuries or simply sucks hard outside of Croatia. Since I couldn't see what the fuss was about 2 years ago when Juventus signed him, I really wouldn't want him now.

I would take him, because of the 120 mill.
Pjaca is only an add on, where he would have a last chance at his age, nothing more.

I also don't think that he would turn into a big player, but i'm not the one who wants to write someone complete off...especially with his age and talent.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 24, 2018, 02:51:54 PM
I'll believe the 120 million + Pjaca when I see it, but I'd rather take 120 million than 120 million + Pjaca  :whistle:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: blue-white on July 24, 2018, 02:53:37 PM
I'll believe the 120 million + Pjaca when I see it, but I'd rather take 120 million than 120 million + Pjaca  :whistle:

btw... i also don't believe that rumor...  :vcool:

but before i take 120 mill without him, i would give him the chance....clear...depends on the wages :vcool:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: lazioserbia on July 24, 2018, 03:07:49 PM
Did Pjaca get an honest chance at Juventus? I don't remember him playing a lot...

About the wages, he doesn't deserve more than 1.5 million per season. Don't know what he is getting at Juventus but he is no superstar, that's for sure. Didn't play a lot for Croatia at the WC either.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: blue_sky on July 24, 2018, 03:34:12 PM
I rather choose 120 mil + Bentacur
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: torsten on July 24, 2018, 04:14:22 PM
I rather choose 120 mil + Bentacur

The difference here is that while Pjaca may have a price tag around 10-15M, Bentancur probably have one around 40M.

I would love to get Bentancur and money for Sergej, and he should at least think about it twice before saying no. If they buy Sergej Juventus will have at the moment - Can, Sturaro, Khedira, Marchisio, Mandragora, Pjanic, Matuidi, Marrone and Bentancur + Sergej. It’s at least 4 player in front of him for 2 spots.

He needs game time and we can give him a lot. Probably a pay raise as well.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: valdanito on July 24, 2018, 06:41:04 PM
Joaquin Correa from Sevilla again linked to us.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: LazioKosovo on July 24, 2018, 07:09:33 PM
I strongly believe that there is no truth on Rubentus offering 120 million plus Pjaca. But, theoretically, if they offer I would say yes and then offer Pjaca, Cataldi and 10-15 million to Viola for Veretout.
Your say on my "suggestion".
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 24, 2018, 07:47:40 PM
I strongly believe that there is no truth on Rubentus offering 120 million plus Pjaca. But, theoretically, if they offer I would say yes and then offer Pjaca, Cataldi and 10-15 million to Viola for Veretout.
Your say on my "suggestion".

Veretout was a steal by Fiorentina that's obvious, he's done great.  But why would he come here to be a backup.  Neither one of Leiva, Parolo or Sergej (Berisha) would be put aside if not necessary.  I'd be thrilled to sign him but we simply have our midfielders already. 

I rather choose 120 mil + Bentacur

Same with Bentancur.  I'd be thrilled to see him move to us, but it's simply not a logical step to expect him to do.

I'll believe the 120 million + Pjaca when I see it, but I'd rather take 120 million than 120 million + Pjaca  :whistle:

+1            No thanks for Pjaca 
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: torsten on July 24, 2018, 08:08:02 PM


Same with Bentancur.  I'd be thrilled to see him move to us, but it's simply not a logical step to expect him to do
 

Why is that move so weird for him to do? I mean, we have a exciting team, exciting coach in Inzaghi and were on the verge qualifying to CL. He will start every match for us and be the main guy for our midfield years to come.

For me this should be a bigger no from Juventus part than from team Bentancur.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 24, 2018, 08:34:15 PM


Same with Bentancur.  I'd be thrilled to see him move to us, but it's simply not a logical step to expect him to do
 

Why is that move so weird for him to do? I mean, we have a exciting team, exciting coach in Inzaghi and were on the verge qualifying to CL. He will start every match for us and be the main guy for our midfield years to come.

For me this should be a bigger no from Juventus part than from team Bentancur.

You don't need to convince me about that  :twinkle:
If Sergej would be sold and we get Bentancur we'd have him plus Parolo, Leiva & Berisha.
That's 4 qualtiy players for 3 spots wich would not be different then now. 

The thing is Sergej came from Genk (step up), Parolo came from Parma (step up), Berisha from Salzburg (step up), Leiva step down but at a point to restart his 'later' career.

Bentancur is 21 and in the Juve roster .... that's the point.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: torsten on July 24, 2018, 08:59:49 PM


Same with Bentancur.  I'd be thrilled to see him move to us, but it's simply not a logical step to expect him to do
 

Why is that move so weird for him to do? I mean, we have a exciting team, exciting coach in Inzaghi and were on the verge qualifying to CL. He will start every match for us and be the main guy for our midfield years to come.

For me this should be a bigger no from Juventus part than from team Bentancur.

You don't need to convince me about that  :twinkle:
If Sergej would be sold and we get Bentancur we'd have him plus Parolo, Leiva & Berisha.
That's 4 qualtiy players for 3 spots wich would not be different then now. 

The thing is Sergej came from Genk (step up), Parolo came from Parma (step up), Berisha from Salzburg (step up), Leiva step down but at a point to restart his 'later' career.

Bentancur is 21 and in the Juve roster .... that's the point.

Of course, but i guess that Bentancur would have the same status in the midfield as Sergej have now. Bentancur is in the squad of Juventus sure, but so was(?) Rugani, Mandragora(who's on the verge of signing for Udinese), Pjaca (who looks like hes leaving), Sturaro (who probably will leave) and so on.. You could argue that they're leaving because the didn't succeed as well as Bentancur has, but still. If a young player like that don't get enough playtime they have to see them selves around.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 24, 2018, 09:00:35 PM
When was the last time Juventus gave us any player?

The only way they'd give us Bentancur is if they broke both his legs first.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: torsten on July 24, 2018, 09:17:41 PM
When was the last time Juventus gave us any player?

The only way they'd give us Bentancur is if they broke both his legs first.

When did we give them any players?  :whistle:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: valdanito on July 24, 2018, 09:24:55 PM
When was the last time Juventus gave us any player?

The only way they'd give us Bentancur is if they broke both his legs first.

If Juve sign a high profile midfielder then I see no reason why they would not let go and why he would consider.

Not that I want him, I can't really point it out but there is something about him that has always kept me on the fence.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 24, 2018, 09:49:47 PM
Since Juventus started winning Scudetti 6 years ago, they've sold 0 players to Lazio, 0 players to 1927, 0 players to Napoli and 0 players to Inter.

They've sold 2 players to Milan - a 30 year-old Bonucci and a 29 year-old Matri.

They simply don't sell young players to top Serie A clubs. They would rather pay 150 million for SMS and sell Bentancur abroad than offer 120 million + Bentancur to us.

It's obvious. Their market strategy is clear as clear can be.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: torsten on July 24, 2018, 10:57:36 PM
Since Juventus started winning Scudetti 6 years ago, they've sold 0 players to Lazio, 0 players to 1927, 0 players to Napoli and 0 players to Inter.

They've sold 2 players to Milan - a 30 year-old Bonucci and a 29 year-old Matri.

They simply don't sell young players to top Serie A clubs. They would rather pay 150 million for SMS and sell Bentancur abroad than offer 120 million + Bentancur to us.

It's obvious. Their market strategy is clear as clear can be.

Sure, but if they want to buy the most expensive player in Serie A history they maybe have to offer something to us.

Look I’m not saying that they have to sell Bentancur to us and that we would want him, I just wanna set an example of that we could and should demand a player as him if we sell Sergej for a price less than Lotito has gone out with being €150M.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: campiador on July 24, 2018, 11:17:29 PM
I just wanna set an example of that we could and should demand a player as him if we sell Sergej for a price less than Lotito has gone out with being €150M.

Totally agreed! It's worth noting that it might be Parolo's last season as starter. I love what he brings to the team, but soon he won't be able to run box to box week in week out. So more space for Bentancur. He could continue to warm the bench at Juve, or take his chance to become a star at Lazio, just like Luis Alberto, Ciro, or Sergej.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 24, 2018, 11:36:24 PM
Sure, but if they want to buy the most expensive player in Serie A history they maybe have to offer something to us.

But all I'm saying is that I don't think there's a chance in hell that something involves Bentancur or any other young prospect they appreciate.

I think we've as much chance of signing Messi. Deadly serious.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: LazialefromGhent on July 24, 2018, 11:45:59 PM
If Lotito makes it clear that Betancur is a condition sine qua non for a transfer to happen they’ll eventually agree imo. They know Lotito is a tough negotiator and if they really want SMS they will have to step away from their market strategy. Big if however.

Anyways Schurrle seems close to Fulham thank god.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Don on July 24, 2018, 11:48:23 PM
Sure, but if they want to buy the most expensive player in Serie A history they maybe have to offer something to us.

But all I'm saying is that I don't think there's a chance in hell that something involves Bentancur or any other young prospect they appreciate.

I think we've as much chance of signing Messi. Deadly serious.
I think that either... bigger guns, especially rubentus don't let our hands on their assets... plain and simple
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Crni Đorđe on July 25, 2018, 12:06:18 AM
They would need to pay such amount of money that allows Lotito to make example from it.

Doubt they will pay, doubt Lotito will step down for one cent.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 25, 2018, 12:10:15 AM
They would need to pay such amount of money that allows Lotito to make example from it.

Doubt they will pay, doubt Lotito will step down for one cent.

+1   If they get him they will be paying Lotito's demand or they won't get him at all.

And rightly so, they have never done us any favour what so ever and never will.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Akha on July 25, 2018, 01:22:31 AM
In my opinion, there's this idea that there's no money in Serie A and that Milan, Inter and 1927 are all cash-strapped because UEFA are watching them while Lazio have a bit of money to burn. That's just not true. The big 5 in Italy can easily indulge in some Premier League-level spending if they desire; it's just that most Italian clubs would rather spend 100 million on 10-15 players than spend 50+ million euro in a player the manager wants to complete his team for the upcoming season.


I don't think we actually disagree here, just trying to point out there are plenty of clubs in world football that can afford to pay astronomical fees. It's just most have a very different strategy.


That makes sense. I think I agree with what you're saying and what I really meant was that we're not selling a player to a club that is a direct rival, whatever money they offer (at least that's what history of Lotito era shows).


And I don't believe we'll spend big. I'll hazard a guess we'll adjust (our policy) to the current market because even if we sell Sergiej for some ridiculous amount then it won't really change our position in football world - we won't begin to attract players of world class calibre, but maybe as you guys say we could level up our salary cap and that would be a big step in improving as a club.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 25, 2018, 02:15:12 AM
It would seem Inzaghi actually is pushing for Alejandro Gomez.  Reports claiming that just keep coming day in day out.  I understand the desire since Inzaghi probably wants to book results fast.

But it scares me to be honest.  The number would certainly go well above 10mill and guy is heading towards 31.  It's not like signing a defender.  He's an attacker based on speed mostly, and that's something i've seen changing quickly more then often.

I'm really hoping Tare is considering Joaquin Correa.  There's so much more to get out of that kid and the things that limit him in Sevilla's system would probably set him free in Inzaghi's tactic behind the striker.  15mil would be money well spent that way. 

Gonzalo Martinez might have also been a nice fit but sadly his club and agent confirmed Lazio has never been in touch.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: christ_JM on July 25, 2018, 02:22:56 AM
It would seem Inzaghi actually is pushing for Alejandro Gomez.  Reports claiming that just keep coming day in day out.  I understand the desire since Inzaghi probably wants to book results fast.

But it scares me to be honest.  The number would certainly go well above 10mill and guy is heading towards 31.  It's not like signing a defender.  He's an attacker based on speed mostly, and that's something i've seen changing quickly more then often.

I'm really hoping Tare is considering Joaquin Correa.  There's so much more to get out of that kid and the things that limit him in Sevilla's system would probably set him free in Inzaghi's tactic behind the striker.  15mil would be money well spent that way. 

Gonzalo Martinez might have also been a nice fit but sadly his club and agent confirmed Lazio has never been in touch.

Maybe this is the delay. Disagreement about which attacker to sign?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 25, 2018, 09:55:23 AM
If Lotito makes it clear that Betancur is a condition sine qua non for a transfer to happen they’ll eventually agree imo. They know Lotito is a tough negotiator and if they really want SMS they will have to step away from their market strategy.

Why would Juventus give 100+ million euro and Bentancur - a player who at 21 is much better than SMS was at the same age - for SMS?

Market strategy is the reason I don't think it could ever happen, but common sense is another, no?

This is a forum full of intelligent football people. Everyone here should know this isn't ever going to be on the table.

And if ever it is, I'll delete my account  :vcool:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: LazialefromGhent on July 25, 2018, 10:21:59 AM
If Lotito makes it clear that Betancur is a condition sine qua non for a transfer to happen they’ll eventually agree imo. They know Lotito is a tough negotiator and if they really want SMS they will have to step away from their market strategy.

Why would Juventus give 100+ million euro and Bentancur - a player who at 21 is much better than SMS was at the same age - for SMS?

Market strategy is the reason I don't think it could ever happen, but common sense is another, no?

This is a forum full of intelligent football people. Everyone here should know this isn't ever going to be on the table.

And if ever it is, I'll delete my account  :vcool:

I agree it won't happen. I only think that if Juventus really want SMS they'll have to accept more or less what Lotito demands.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: LazialefromGhent on July 25, 2018, 10:25:36 AM
Anyhow there are lots of accounts on Twitter claiming Joaquin Correa will be a Lazio player very soon.

These are the kind of rumours I like hearing.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 25, 2018, 10:35:02 AM
I think the most interesting piece of news in the last week with regard to our transfer market is that Marko Grujic's loan move to Cardiff was halted by the player's agent who thinks a better offer will arrive from elsewhere when the only other club linked to the player is Lazio. We already know SMS and Grujic have had conversations about Lazio and a vice-Leiva appears to be very much on the cards given that player is currently Davide De Gennaro.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: LazioKosovo on July 25, 2018, 11:28:59 AM
I think the most interesting piece of news in the last week with regard to our transfer market is that Marko Grujic's loan move to Cardiff was halted by the player's agent who thinks a better offer will arrive from elsewhere when the only other club linked to the player is Lazio. We already know SMS and Grujic have had conversations about Lazio and a vice-Leiva appears to be very much on the cards given that player is currently Davide De Gennaro.

From what I heard from Serb football fans, Grujic is very good player. Some of them goes that far that Grujic has got potential to be even better than the SMS. He was unlucky and impatient with his choice of Liverpool. I would be very pleased if he joins Lazio. I think that with Grujic joining Lazio, Leiva would have more than decent competition not substitution for starting 11.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: lazioserbia on July 25, 2018, 11:46:18 AM
He almost destroyed his career by going to Liverpool. He never was a great player, at least I wouldn't say so, but the talent was always there.

If he wants to so something with that talent he needs to leave Liverpool and the Premier League too. Lazio might be the best thing for him.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Rizmo on July 25, 2018, 12:09:34 PM
And if ever it is, I'll delete my account  :vcool:

BRING CAXI BACK  :scarfup:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 25, 2018, 01:29:32 PM
Assuming the journalist that broke the news simply got the name wrong, Lazio are about to sign River Plate's Joaquin Perez Ibanez. 18 year-old, been compared to Ibrahimovic, capped for Argentina at youth level if I understand correctly. A signing for the Primavera, but a player that probably cost a bit of cash.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 25, 2018, 01:38:47 PM
Hmm interesting, but I hope it’s not another jordao and Neto deal  :whistle:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Giolazio on July 25, 2018, 01:42:57 PM
Hmm interesting, but I hope it’s not another jordao and Neto deal  :whistle:

Why not?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Rizmo on July 25, 2018, 02:02:25 PM
Hmm interesting, but I hope it’s not another jordao and Neto deal  :whistle:

Not another Perea rather...  :um_face:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 25, 2018, 04:07:42 PM
And the latest is that Bologna are hijacking the deal...
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 25, 2018, 05:43:47 PM
This rumour with Biglia wanting to return, is there anything concrete or is it just Cittaceleste and their usual clickbait articles?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Arti on July 25, 2018, 06:44:44 PM
Hope its a fake. Big NO.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 25, 2018, 06:53:35 PM
This rumour with Biglia wanting to return, is there anything concrete or is it just Cittaceleste and their usual clickbait articles?

A few posts going around on FB and twitter claiming Biglia requested a return a few weeks ago.
It's said Inzaghi was willing to consider but followed by a BIG NO immediatly from Lotito & Tare.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: phantomm1976 on July 25, 2018, 06:58:40 PM
 To much names for attack : Gomes-Wesly-Ibanez.
 Probably only Gomes could took role in first team.
 Nothing new for defense,RB !
 Deadwoods are stil there.
 I expected faster reaction.
 Biglia ?- Yes,but where(role) ? Instead of Leiva ?-No, Parolo is Inzaghi favourite ones, Biglia with both of them in midfield ?-No sense. Biglia as a sub for them(competiotion) -Yes, but salary .....
 Biglia instead them in 4 men defense, but Inzaghi use 352.....so....impossible.
 Vargic-Lombardi-Basta(c)Mauricio-Wallace-Lukaku-Morrison-Cataldi-Kishna-Caicedo-Rossi.
 Subs : Patric-Marusic-Di Genaro-Minala.....
 Whats about this super talented team ?!
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Giolazio on July 25, 2018, 07:15:13 PM
This rumour with Biglia wanting to return, is there anything concrete or is it just Cittaceleste and their usual clickbait articles?

A few posts going around on FB and twitter claiming Biglia requested a return a few weeks ago.
It's said Inzaghi was willing to consider but followed by a BIG NO immediatly from Lotito & Tare.

Oh man I hope this is true  :supsmile:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Secret_Samadhi on July 25, 2018, 07:37:09 PM
This rumour with Biglia wanting to return, is there anything concrete or is it just Cittaceleste and their usual clickbait articles?

A few posts going around on FB and twitter claiming Biglia requested a return a few weeks ago.
It's said Inzaghi was willing to consider but followed by a BIG NO immediatly from Lotito & Tare.

Oh man I hope this is true  :supsmile:
Me too.  :supsmile:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: blue-white on July 25, 2018, 08:33:34 PM
I hope that Tare told him he can be vice Murgia...
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 25, 2018, 09:09:13 PM
Vice Leiva on half the salary as before.   :twinkle:

Almost to delightfull to be true but yet there's a part of me believing it knowing Biglia's past.
And the fact that Inzaghi really like having him in the squad.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: stefano_40 on July 25, 2018, 09:15:16 PM
If Biglia rejoins the squad then I'm officially on hiatus for the season. I hate him. Both as a player and as a person.

That being said, I don't believe it's gonna happen. It's never happened with Kolarov, Lichtsteiner, Hernanes etc.. so why should it happen now?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 25, 2018, 09:25:11 PM
If Biglia rejoins the squad then I'm officially on hiatus for the season. I hate him. Both as a player and as a person.

That being said, I don't believe it's gonna happen. It's never happened with Kolarov, Lichtsteiner, Hernanes etc.. so why should it happen now?

Don't worry Stefano, it can't happen & it won't happen.  And if the rumour is true then Lotito already said no.  Lazio does not take back players, not even players like Borini who had a chance but chose another club.

 :twinkle: :beer:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 25, 2018, 09:30:34 PM
Seems Porto is grabbing Eder Militao for 4mil.  One can see again how things go in the rumourmill.  Insinuations of a 20mil pricetag, personal interest from Guardiola ....  :roll_eyes:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 25, 2018, 09:48:14 PM
The way I see it Biglia has no spine and he doesn't fit in with this team and the values that helped us do well last season..
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Miro on July 25, 2018, 10:01:07 PM
Seems Porto is grabbing Eder Militao for 4mil.  One can see again how things go in the rumourmill.  Insinuations of a 20mil pricetag, personal interest from Guardiola ....  :roll_eyes:

His contract was about to expire next year, Porto got him for cheap because of that. Sao Paolo also gets 10% of the future sale, better than nothing I guess. Too bad that we were not interested, can't argue with that fee for such young and talented player. Quite versatile too.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 25, 2018, 10:04:16 PM
Seems Porto is grabbing Eder Militao for 4mil.  One can see again how things go in the rumourmill.  Insinuations of a 20mil pricetag, personal interest from Guardiola ....  :roll_eyes:

His contract was about to expire next year, Porto got him for cheap because of that. Sao Paolo also gets 10% of the future sale, better than nothing I guess. He wouldn't be been a bad player for us, especially as he is quite versatile and young.

Very versatile indeed, that's why he interested me also.  Especially with his roles suiting our system.
But he might have been less then made out to be.  Even with his contract ending next year, if he'd be regarded in the way the press claimed Porto would have had some competition i guess.  A versatile young player like that, 10mil in that situation would still be a good buy.  It seems no clubs from the big 5 european leagues had motivation to take a chance on him.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 25, 2018, 10:08:15 PM
Feels like Joaquin Correa is genuine. Rumour is our offer is 18 million euro and that we're willing to pay him 2.7 million per season.

Given he's not exactly turned it on for Sampdoria or Sevilla, I'm left scratching my head.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Skenderbeu on July 25, 2018, 10:20:10 PM
Feels like Joaquin Correa is genuine. Rumour is our offer is 18 million euro and that we're willing to pay him 2.7 million per season.

Given he's not exactly turned it on for Sampdoria or Sevilla, I'm left scratching my head.

I agree with you Caxi. I remember him at Samp he was nothing special. He didn't succeed but he was young. The second season in Genoa was better but nothing amazing, not like Zarate at his first year for us  :wow: In Spain he did better or course with less tactics and more free area to play in. That amount of money makes me want Gomez more even if he is much older. This is pure gamble from the management.

We gambled with Luis Alberto and we succeeded but I'm afraid we will not do so with Correa. I believe he is more like Zarate in his mind, childish but I may be wrong - if he comes.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Boksic on July 25, 2018, 10:21:19 PM
Feels like Joaquin Correa is genuine. Rumour is our offer is 18 million euro and that we're willing to pay him 2.7 million per season.

Given he's not exactly turned it on for Sampdoria or Sevilla, I'm left scratching my head.

If we tought that Anderson was inconsistant, I cant really imagine how we shall describe Correa who will go missing more often that not.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Miro on July 25, 2018, 10:24:51 PM
Seems Porto is grabbing Eder Militao for 4mil.  One can see again how things go in the rumourmill.  Insinuations of a 20mil pricetag, personal interest from Guardiola ....  :roll_eyes:

His contract was about to expire next year, Porto got him for cheap because of that. Sao Paolo also gets 10% of the future sale, better than nothing I guess. He wouldn't be been a bad player for us, especially as he is quite versatile and young.

Very versatile indeed, that's why he interested me also.  Especially with his roles suiting our system.
But he might have been less then made out to be.  Even with his contract ending next year, if he'd be regarded in the way the press claimed Porto would have had some competition i guess.  A versatile young player like that, 10mil in that situation would still be a good buy.  It seems no clubs from the big 5 european leagues had motivation to take a chance on him.

There was a talk of him signing a new contract with Sao Paolo then being sold off, maybe that's where the 20 mil price tag came from. I never thought that he was worth that much. He is still a very raw talent that needs developing. Yes, it's a bit strange no took a chance with him. Porto has shown that they have pretty good scouts in the past, getting highly regarded talent before bigger teams. And sometimes for cheap.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 25, 2018, 10:27:44 PM
Feels like Joaquin Correa is genuine. Rumour is our offer is 18 million euro and that we're willing to pay him 2.7 million per season.

Given he's not exactly turned it on for Sampdoria or Sevilla, I'm left scratching my head.

I'm rooting it's true, and recent reports do seem the most genuine then others we were 'close' to this summer. 

I'm sure you are scratching the old thinker Cathal and rightly so, but still i'm feeling very good about this.
He's got the aspects of a second striker wich was probably going to waste on the wing at Sevilla.

Very agile, extremely technically skilled, fast, 1.88m wich is also a very good extra aspect.
Good vision of play. 

It would still be a guess of course but bringing him into Inzaghi's attacking system is something that makes me feel really postive.

I remember watching that 1-1 Copa game at Atletico where he scored.  Atletico had trouble with him all night long, and he ended up putting in the 1-1 with Godin é Gimenez in his neck without hesitating.

When seeing his talent and skill and considering what he might be capable of playing Inzaghi's way, i'm tending to simply not care if Tare would pay 18mil for him.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Gianni Calcio on July 25, 2018, 10:42:09 PM
Feels like Joaquin Correa is genuine. Rumour is our offer is 18 million euro and that we're willing to pay him 2.7 million per season.

Given he's not exactly turned it on for Sampdoria or Sevilla, I'm left scratching my head.

Why even bother? €18 mil???
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: jovo on July 25, 2018, 10:44:18 PM
If we are going with Correa i can say only that we are not realy thinking of making CL. For a moment i thought that we are ready to make a big step toward CL but we are making future investments again. For me Papu is the man who will certenly deliver and make us realy stronger and Correa is a man who can be a future top player but can also end up "perea 2.0" case.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 25, 2018, 11:02:32 PM
If we are going with Correa i can say only that we are not realy thinking of making CL. For a moment i thought that we are ready to make a big step toward CL but we are making future investments again. For me Papu is the man who will certenly deliver and make us realy stronger and Correa is a man who can be a future top player but can also end up "perea 2.0" case.

Perea 2.0 is a little harsh considering his career so far.  Perea come out of Colombia, Correa would come from Sevilla. 

Like i said before it would be logical for Inzaghi to want Gomez and get immediate results next season.  But he'll be turning 31 soon and would cost well over 10mil.  For an attacker depending on speed this is not without risk.  He had one really good season, the one before with Atalanta, last season it was already much less. 

Correa is 23 and would cost a couple a of million more.  He can only get better and maybe thrive in a system new and possibly more fitting for him. 

If we sign Gomez and don't get CL, wich is absolutly no certainty with or without him he'll have no resale value when he eventually leaves.  With Correa there's a chance of still making profit or at least not making a loss in the future.

Why would we not be going for CL if we sign Correa? 
We made more goals then needed to reach CL last season, it was the goals conceded that made the difference.  The players responsible for most our goals are still here (Ciro, Alberto & Sergej).
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 25, 2018, 11:08:39 PM
I wouldn't say Correa rules out Gomez, but with that salary and transfer fee, you'd think Lazio must like him in pure ability terms as much as Papu...

Honestly, I don't actually know the player that well so I'm not writing him off. I just find this speculation odd and would wonder how far down the shortlist you'd have had to go a few weeks ago to find Correa.

But let's see if he actually ends up in Rome. If Lazio were trying to reduce Gomez's price, this is the sort of talk you'd want in the media.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: jovo on July 25, 2018, 11:17:41 PM
If we are going with Correa i can say only that we are not realy thinking of making CL. For a moment i thought that we are ready to make a big step toward CL but we are making future investments again. For me Papu is the man who will certenly deliver and make us realy stronger and Correa is a man who can be a future top player but can also end up "perea 2.0" case.

Perea 2.0 is a little harsh considering his career so far.  Perea come out of Colombia, Correa would come from Sevilla. 

Like i said before it would be logical for Inzaghi to want Gomez and get immediate results next season.  But he'll be turning 31 soon and would cost well over 10mil.  For an attacker depending on speed this is not without risk.  He had one really good season, the one before with Atalanta, last season it was arleady much less. 

Correa is 23 and would cost a couple a of million more.  He can only get better and maybe thrive in a system new and possible more fitting for him. 

If we sign Gomez and don't get CL, wich is absolutly no certainty with or without him he'll have no resale value when he eventually leaves.  With Correa there's a chance of still making profit or at least not making a loss in the future.

Why would we not be going for CL if we sign Correa? 
We made more goals then needed to reach CL last season, it was the goals conceded that made the difference.  The players responsible for most our goals are still here (Ciro, Alberto & Sergej).
Maybe it was not the best comparison you got that right. But we are thinkig to much as a businessman's not like Inzagi (there is a reason why papu is his first choise) because his job is to take Lazio as much as higher that he can. On the other hand Lotito wants the same but he wants the money more than other things. Felipe made a huge impact coming from the bench and unlocked a lot of games which without him we could not win and i am not that certain that Correa can do the same. Our club is in good financial condition why not pay for someone who can deliver from day one and have much bigger chance of playing elite football next year.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 25, 2018, 11:52:27 PM
If we are going with Correa i can say only that we are not realy thinking of making CL. For a moment i thought that we are ready to make a big step toward CL but we are making future investments again. For me Papu is the man who will certenly deliver and make us realy stronger and Correa is a man who can be a future top player but can also end up "perea 2.0" case.

Perea 2.0 is a little harsh considering his career so far.  Perea come out of Colombia, Correa would come from Sevilla. 

Like i said before it would be logical for Inzaghi to want Gomez and get immediate results next season.  But he'll be turning 31 soon and would cost well over 10mil.  For an attacker depending on speed this is not without risk.  He had one really good season, the one before with Atalanta, last season it was arleady much less. 

Correa is 23 and would cost a couple a of million more.  He can only get better and maybe thrive in a system new and possible more fitting for him. 

If we sign Gomez and don't get CL, wich is absolutly no certainty with or without him he'll have no resale value when he eventually leaves.  With Correa there's a chance of still making profit or at least not making a loss in the future.

Why would we not be going for CL if we sign Correa? 
We made more goals then needed to reach CL last season, it was the goals conceded that made the difference.  The players responsible for most our goals are still here (Ciro, Alberto & Sergej).
Maybe it was not the best comparison you got that right. But we are thinkig to much as a businessman's not like Inzagi (there is a reason why papu is his first choise) because his job is to take Lazio as much as higher that he can. On the other hand Lotito wants the same but he wants the money more than other things. Felipe made a huge impact coming from the bench and unlocked a lot of games which without him we could not win and i am not that certain that Correa can do the same. Our club is in good financial condition why not pay for someone who can deliver from day one and have much bigger chance of playing elite football next year.

Sure, totally get what you mean.  I want a CL spot also at the end of next season and we might have a bigger chance with Papu then with Correa.  But there's a time after that as well.  Actually getting a CL spot imo will depend on the quality delivered by players in other positions, defence & wingers.

I'm always thinking more about the club in general, i realize that.  Obviously most fans on social media are hoping for Gomez simply and only with the aim of finishing higher next season.  And not thinking about the seasons afterwords.

Felipe indeed made good impacts last season from the bench but also performances influencing a negative result.  He was playing wider then a usual 2nd striker, in his own style, keeping the ball to long at times not really deciding what to do, resulting in losing possession.  We've all been frustrated by it enough. 

Alberto as we know is totally different.  Having those different options is very usefull.  Correa would be closer to Alberto in style but also not thesame.  More of an actual second striker.  He's very good at keeping possession and much quicker in deciding what to do.  At least that's what i've seen.

We'll see ....
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: jovo on July 26, 2018, 12:08:18 AM
If we are going with Correa i can say only that we are not realy thinking of making CL. For a moment i thought that we are ready to make a big step toward CL but we are making future investments again. For me Papu is the man who will certenly deliver and make us realy stronger and Correa is a man who can be a future top player but can also end up "perea 2.0" case.

Perea 2.0 is a little harsh considering his career so far.  Perea come out of Colombia, Correa would come from Sevilla. 

Like i said before it would be logical for Inzaghi to want Gomez and get immediate results next season.  But he'll be turning 31 soon and would cost well over 10mil.  For an attacker depending on speed this is not without risk.  He had one really good season, the one before with Atalanta, last season it was arleady much less. 

Correa is 23 and would cost a couple a of million more.  He can only get better and maybe thrive in a system new and possible more fitting for him. 

If we sign Gomez and don't get CL, wich is absolutly no certainty with or without him he'll have no resale value when he eventually leaves.  With Correa there's a chance of still making profit or at least not making a loss in the future.

Why would we not be going for CL if we sign Correa? 
We made more goals then needed to reach CL last season, it was the goals conceded that made the difference.  The players responsible for most our goals are still here (Ciro, Alberto & Sergej).
Maybe it was not the best comparison you got that right. But we are thinkig to much as a businessman's not like Inzagi (there is a reason why papu is his first choise) because his job is to take Lazio as much as higher that he can. On the other hand Lotito wants the same but he wants the money more than other things. Felipe made a huge impact coming from the bench and unlocked a lot of games which without him we could not win and i am not that certain that Correa can do the same. Our club is in good financial condition why not pay for someone who can deliver from day one and have much bigger chance of playing elite football next year.

Sure, totally get what you mean.  I want a CL spot also at the end of next season and we might have a bigger chance with Papu then with Correa.  But there's a time after that as well.  Actually getting a CL spot imo will depend on the quality delivered by players in other positions, defence & wingers.

I'm always thinking more about the club in general, i realize that.  Obviously most fans on social media are hoping for Gomez simply and only with the aim of finishing higher next season.  And not thinking about the seasons afterwords.

Felipe indeed made good impacts last season from the bench but also performances influencing a negative result.  He was playing wider then a usual 2nd striker, in his own style, keeping the ball to long at times not really deciding what to do, resulting in losing possession.  We've all been frustrated by it enough. 

Alberto as we know is totally different.  Having those different options is very usefull.  Correa would be closer to Alberto in style but also not thesame.  More of an actual second striker.  He's very good at keeping possession and much quicker in deciding what to do.  At least that's what i've seen.

We'll see ....
Maybe Papu can play at max 2 seasons on a high level but if we made to CL the whole team's price will go up and with that we could atract much more established players to come to us.
As for Correa he never leaved me an impresion when playing in Italy and i didnt folow him in Spain.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 26, 2018, 12:18:47 AM
If we are going with Correa i can say only that we are not realy thinking of making CL. For a moment i thought that we are ready to make a big step toward CL but we are making future investments again. For me Papu is the man who will certenly deliver and make us realy stronger and Correa is a man who can be a future top player but can also end up "perea 2.0" case.

Perea 2.0 is a little harsh considering his career so far.  Perea come out of Colombia, Correa would come from Sevilla. 

Like i said before it would be logical for Inzaghi to want Gomez and get immediate results next season.  But he'll be turning 31 soon and would cost well over 10mil.  For an attacker depending on speed this is not without risk.  He had one really good season, the one before with Atalanta, last season it was arleady much less. 

Correa is 23 and would cost a couple a of million more.  He can only get better and maybe thrive in a system new and possible more fitting for him. 

If we sign Gomez and don't get CL, wich is absolutly no certainty with or without him he'll have no resale value when he eventually leaves.  With Correa there's a chance of still making profit or at least not making a loss in the future.

Why would we not be going for CL if we sign Correa? 
We made more goals then needed to reach CL last season, it was the goals conceded that made the difference.  The players responsible for most our goals are still here (Ciro, Alberto & Sergej).
Maybe it was not the best comparison you got that right. But we are thinkig to much as a businessman's not like Inzagi (there is a reason why papu is his first choise) because his job is to take Lazio as much as higher that he can. On the other hand Lotito wants the same but he wants the money more than other things. Felipe made a huge impact coming from the bench and unlocked a lot of games which without him we could not win and i am not that certain that Correa can do the same. Our club is in good financial condition why not pay for someone who can deliver from day one and have much bigger chance of playing elite football next year.

Sure, totally get what you mean.  I want a CL spot also at the end of next season and we might have a bigger chance with Papu then with Correa.  But there's a time after that as well.  Actually getting a CL spot imo will depend on the quality delivered by players in other positions, defence & wingers.

I'm always thinking more about the club in general, i realize that.  Obviously most fans on social media are hoping for Gomez simply and only with the aim of finishing higher next season.  And not thinking about the seasons afterwords.

Felipe indeed made good impacts last season from the bench but also performances influencing a negative result.  He was playing wider then a usual 2nd striker, in his own style, keeping the ball to long at times not really deciding what to do, resulting in losing possession.  We've all been frustrated by it enough. 

Alberto as we know is totally different.  Having those different options is very usefull.  Correa would be closer to Alberto in style but also not thesame.  More of an actual second striker.  He's very good at keeping possession and much quicker in deciding what to do.  At least that's what i've seen.

We'll see ....
Maybe Papu can play at max 2 seasons on a high level but if we made to CL the whole team's price will go up and with that we could atract much more established players to come to us.
As for Correa he never leaved me an impresion when playing in Italy and i didnt folow him in Spain.

That's true, if we sign Papu that might be the case.

I won't claim to be an expert on Correa, only saw about 2 domestic games and the CL games against United.  The talent is incredibly obvious, but he simply did not explode yet.  Honestly if we would be using a 4-3-3 i'd be very reluctant, even with him delivering impressive performances against teams like Atletico & Man Utd.  Not directly with goals and assists but certainly making them swet all game long.  It's not certainty of course but i'm guessing Tare & Inzaghi might see him work well in our system in his more natural role.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 26, 2018, 12:41:41 AM
If we want a Felipe Anderson clone then Joaquin Correa is just the type of player we should sign. On a good day he’s an insane player with great skill and on a bad day you want to tear our hair out in frustration when watching him mess up every 1v1 situation in an entire match.

18 mill euro sounds expensive for him, even with the way the market operates now. I can see the appeal with signing him because if he explodes here we have huge resale potential, but honestly I was kinda hoping we’d replace Felipe with someone a bit more consistent.

Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 26, 2018, 01:22:02 AM
If we want a Felipe Anderson clone then Joaquin Correa is just the type of player we should sign. On a good day he’s an insane player with great skill and on a bad day you want to tear our hair out in frustration when watching him mess up every 1v1 situation in an entire match.

18 mill euro sounds expensive for him, even with the way the market operates now. I can see the appeal with signing him because if he explodes here we have huge resale potential, but honestly I was kinda hoping we’d replace Felipe with someone a bit more consistent.

Well those situations you mention Ilsempre are true, that's why i wouldn't be thrilled with him on a wingposition 4-3-3.  Luis Alberto passing players on the wing either.

So far we've been closely linked with 30y olds for that position like Pedro, Perez & Gomez.  Then Gonzalo Martinez who Tare actually did not bid on.  Others like Everton out of Brazil wich Tare also never made a move for.  Tare's shortlist remains a mysterie.

But keep in mind that Felipe's replacement will be Alberto's backup.  Don't think we can find someone near his level willing to come to Lazio and be 2nd choice.  Someone like Correa might possible be the highest reach possible.  He's a youngster already playing at Sevilla, other options i was thinking we might go for would be coming out of Brazil or Argentina still having to adjust to Europe.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: drazvan on July 26, 2018, 08:03:32 AM
I would take Correa over Papu anytime for the same price. Correa is a promissing player with many years ahead who proved he can adapt to serie a. Papu is a mature player with max 1-2 years at a level Correa could reach easily in 1 year. Plus ive seen last year signs of decline for Papu. Correa could be a jolly joker in our pocket, Papu would require to change the whole lineup to accomodate him.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 26, 2018, 08:30:49 AM
Latest is that Lazio only want Correa on loan with option to buy, and are not actually wanting to pay for the loan while Sevilla essentially want 26 million (4 million loan and obligatory buyout clause).

Correa has the same agent as Badelj - Alessandro Lucci, who is also the agent of Murgia - and the suggestion is that we're effectively trying to land both.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: blue-white on July 26, 2018, 09:06:43 AM
I would take Correa over Papu anytime for the same price. Correa is a promissing player with many years ahead who proved he can adapt to serie a. Papu is a mature player with max 1-2 years at a level Correa could reach easily in 1 year. Plus ive seen last year signs of decline for Papu. Correa could be a jolly joker in our pocket, Papu would require to change the whole lineup to accomodate him.

last season...
Papu 6 goals, 12 assists in Serie A

Correa 1 goal, 1 assist in la Liga

if Inzaghi is changing tactic and plays LA a bit deeper and a new player behind Ciro, i'm all in for Papu!!!

Do i believe that he will change the tactic, maybe a new formation like a 4-3-3 .... NO, i don't believe.

SO.... i personally would like to see a player join us who is ready to play Marusic position...nothing more.

Look, we play a 3-5-1-1 where in the 5 men midfield, the right one always plays more offensive than the left one.
Marusic is decent, but if we stay with that tactic, it's the best to sign someone with speed, dribbling AND tracking back (something FA didn't do).

I don't care about the name or age.... find a player who fits in that, and this is our man.
Maybe Papu is able to do it, maybe Correa, maybe another one.

But over 20 mill for Correa is useless in general, even if he is only seen on his favorite position.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: LazialefromGhent on July 26, 2018, 10:03:15 AM
It makes sense going for Correa and Badelj given that they are represented by the same agent. HE might have struck a good deal with Lotito (I'll motivate Badelj to sign at Lazio, if you sign Correa from Sevilla.)

Obviously Badelj would be an amazing addition and Correa loan with option would be a great signing aswell.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 26, 2018, 10:38:53 AM
Irish journalist that I'd consider to be reputable (albeit I don't following his work closely) claims Chelsea are keeping tabs on SMS and SMS prefers Chelsea to other options. That said, Chelsea don't have the money unless Hazard leaves and the same journalist thinks that's not happening in this window.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Stefano6 on July 26, 2018, 11:17:07 AM
If Chelsea manage to get Real to cough up a good sum to take both Hazard and Courtois I could see them spending a large amount of it on SMS.
Im sure Sarri is a fan.

But I think it depends on how much they get, and to be honest I still think the only shirt other than Lazio that we could see SMS in next season is Real Madrid.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Giolazio on July 26, 2018, 11:24:59 AM
If Chelsea manage to get Real to cough up a good sum to take both Hazard and Courtois I could see them spending a large amount of it on SMS.
Im sure Sarri is a fan.

But I think it depends on how much they get, and to be honest I still think the only shirt other than Lazio that we could see SMS in next season is Real Madrid.

Or Man U because i'm certain at some point Juve sign Pogba.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Stefano6 on July 26, 2018, 11:29:20 AM
Im not sure.. they dont need him, and im not sure what their finances are like but signing both Ronaldo and Pogba in the same window would be hard.

If they sell Higuain and Rugani, I dont think theyd replace them with another midfielder they dont need
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: LazialefromGhent on July 26, 2018, 12:16:42 PM
Tare and Inzaghi having a chat after the training. At the same time reports in Spain that Sevilla is on the verge of accepting a Lazio offer.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: LazialefromGhent on July 26, 2018, 02:47:03 PM
Correa done! @DiMarzio

 :offlag: :offlag:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: LazialefromGhent on July 26, 2018, 03:01:22 PM
Correa done! @DiMarzio

 :offlag: :offlag:

More details from the deal are emerging: 16M + 3M in bonuses, probably loan with obligation to buy.

Seems like a good deal to me.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 26, 2018, 03:06:05 PM
If we get him and Milan Badelj then I will be happy. Can't expect more imo.. :stend1900:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: LazialefromGhent on July 26, 2018, 03:10:49 PM
If we get him and Milan Badelj then I will be happy. Can't expect more imo.. :stend1900:

We'll get them both don't worry  :vcool:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Biancocelesti on July 26, 2018, 03:12:39 PM
After Correa and Badelj are signed, are we going to sign a new striker or keep Caicedo/Rossi? Personally I hope we'd give Rossi a shot as Immobiles backup but I doubt it will happen.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: phantomm1976 on July 26, 2018, 03:24:42 PM
 Corea is great deal, I hope we sign Badelj and we will have great midfield.
 Lets hope that Tare will surprise us offloading deadwood.
 Now Gomes will be easier in my opinion(if we wants him also)-Atalanta cant make pressure(simply : Take the offer or keep 30 years player with one year contract).
 Leiva-Badelj-SMS-LA-Corea and Ciro .....great  :offlag:
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: valdanito on July 26, 2018, 03:35:24 PM
If we get Correa and Badelj then I would give our market a 7.5/10 based on our limitations. If we find space to add a new RWB then I would give an 8 or 8.5 depending on who we bring.

It's been a very smart market so far.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 26, 2018, 03:37:05 PM
I just hope Badelj joining isn't because we're selling Sergej. I'd like to see Sergej play in this Lazio team for at least another season.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: valdanito on July 26, 2018, 03:38:35 PM
Is he not joining as the vice Leiva?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 26, 2018, 03:42:18 PM
Everyone is saying Badelj's arrival means SMS is leaving. As midfielders go, they could barely be more different. That's definitely not what it means.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: LazialefromGhent on July 26, 2018, 03:50:10 PM
Last season we scored enough goals but we conceded way too much. That's why we need Badelj.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 26, 2018, 03:51:04 PM
I just hope Badelj joining isn't because we're selling Sergej. I'd like to see Sergej play in this Lazio team for at least another season.

If we sign Badelj it means Minala, Cataldi and Di Gennaro are out, without question.  And we are going full out on all 3 fronts with much more conviction.

Signing Correa instead of Papu is the sane thinking i was hoping for.  7y younger and with a skillset Papu can only dream of.  Then maybe Badelj also, i feel like i'm dreaming.

If this all happens then we just had the best Lotito mercato.  Even if we have to still use Caicedo.  But even that might still change, then this mercato would be absolute top considering we are Lazio.

If there would be complaints after that ....  :roll_eyes:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Stefano6 on July 26, 2018, 03:53:51 PM

If there would be complaints after that ....  :roll_eyes:

Dont worry, im sure there will be!



I hope we keep Rossi and give him a shot as backup to Immobile. Ive never been impressed with Caicedo, if theres truth in the rumour to Turkey id sell him. If Rossi doesnt do well then maybe look for a cheap backup in January.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: valdanito on July 26, 2018, 03:54:01 PM

If there would be complaints after that ....  :roll_eyes:

You know exactly what to expect.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 26, 2018, 03:55:21 PM
If there would be complaints after that ....  :roll_eyes:

Not a complaint as such, but none of the signings we've made or are about to make in this transfer window raise the quality of the Starting XI.

Senad Lulic wisely pointed out a few days ago that Milan are proof that you can add better players and end up with a worse team. And I wouldn't rule out the possibility of us being a worse team for this mercato.

But on paper, of course, we now look better.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 26, 2018, 03:58:54 PM
The difference between the Milan mercato last season and what Lazio is doing now is that we're actually being smart about the players we sign where as Milan were overpaying for players that you could argue they didn't scout thoroughly. Milan's way of signing players last season was similar to what I do in a Football manager game.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Silindeee on July 26, 2018, 04:05:45 PM
I think upgrading the Starting 11 , would be getting a new GK , one more defender and a guy instead of Maurusic.
But now we have more depth i think , which is good(if correa and badeji come ofcourse. )
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 26, 2018, 04:11:49 PM
A better RWB would be the last piece of the puzzle imo. Basta just isn't good enough anymore imo and Marusic has to improve a lot if we're going to stop looking at that position as a weak link.

Signing a new CB or doing something about the striker position would be cool, But I am also intrigued about Rossi and wouldn't seeing him play a season here instead of doing to another Serie B club.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: stefano_40 on July 26, 2018, 04:14:08 PM
Starting XI was more than capable of CL last season. The problem was visibly our depth. Once the likes of Ciro, Leiva, Parolo etc went down, we were left high and dry. It's why Juve are so good, if Higuain is out, Mandzukic slots in. If Matuidi misses a game, up steps Khedira. Their first XI is never really significantly weakened. That's what we seem to be aiming for.

I don't think we will significantly upgrade our starting XI until we make the CL, and it wouldn't make a lot of sense to based off last season.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 26, 2018, 04:23:21 PM
The difference between the Milan mercato last season and what Lazio is doing now is that we're actually being smart about the players we sign where as Milan were overpaying for players that you could argue they didn't scout thoroughly. Milan's way of signing players last season was similar to what I do in a Football manager game.

+1   Throwing in 8,9 new starters is indeed for playstation.  Still it went better then expected imo.

Starting XI was more than capable of CL last season. The problem was visibly our depth. Once the likes of Ciro, Leiva, Parolo etc went down, we were left high and dry.

I don't think we will significantly upgrade our starting XI until we make the CL, and it wouldn't make a lot of sense to based off last season.

That's on the spot.  :bravo:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: blue_sky on July 26, 2018, 04:24:00 PM
Everyone is saying Badelj's arrival means SMS is leaving. As midfielders go, they could barely be more different. That's definitely not what it means.
I'm surprised with Badelj and I guess SMS will be sold.
A few days ago he arrived in Formello but then no news in Paidea.
I am surprised if Lotito doesn't sell SMS.
Maybe Juve has comes or even Chelsea for SMS. Don't you hear Hazard is going to RM? Then follow up is this transfer I guess
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: valdanito on July 26, 2018, 04:32:40 PM
Who arrived in Fromello a few days ago?

SMS and Caceres are set for medicals on the 30th if I am not wrong.


I don't think Badelj transfer is connected to SMS at all. IF SMS leaves it's because a good offer arrived and I am sure we would jump back into the market to find substitute for him.

What we need to do now is try to clean the house, but we need offers for that so it is not entirely in our hands.

Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Silindeee on July 26, 2018, 04:36:28 PM
IF , we sell SMS for a big sum 100+ , i m affraid whomever we gonna buy after , he is gonna be very overpriced, coz they will know we have the money available.
The same that happened to barca when they sold neymar.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 26, 2018, 04:43:44 PM
I don't think Badelj transfer is connected to SMS at all. IF SMS leaves it's because a good offer arrived and I am sure we would jump back into the market to find substitute for him.

I agree.  Badelj is no Sergej replacement.        Leiva\Badelj     Parolo\Murgia     Sergej\Berisha

If Sergej does get sold the it's back in the mercato.  Most likely for a young talent (loan?), the Berisha certainly steps up.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 26, 2018, 04:52:17 PM
Leiva\Badelj     Parolo\Murgia     Sergej\Berisha

Don't forget Lulic who I suspect will be playing in the midfield most of the time this season.

I am wondering if we've gotten to a place where we have the best midfield in the league.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: blue_sky on July 26, 2018, 05:06:58 PM
Who arrived in Fromello a few days ago?

SMS and Caceres are set for medicals on the 30th if I am not wrong.


I don't think Badelj transfer is connected to SMS at all. IF SMS leaves it's because a good offer arrived and I am sure we would jump back into the market to find substitute for him.

What we need to do now is try to clean the house, but we need offers for that so it is not entirely in our hands.


Don't you guys remember that llsn has reported it? The picture of the news is when SMS driving his car and his posting in Instagram with has tag with my beloved last night?

About position, we have 3 position with 3511 with SMS, Berisha, Parolo, Murgia, Minala, Cataldi, Di Genarro and Lulic plus LA.
And don't you remember when Tare said in llsn that not possible Badelj is here with Leiva is around because they are same position?
I don't want media know that we are being rich with SMS if being sold, but possibly we will look for versatile players like Thiago Mendes.
All situation is matches each other with scenario SMS is being sold
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Stefano6 on July 26, 2018, 05:19:40 PM
Savic instagram post was not saying he was going back to Rome, it was misinterpreted.

Savic and Caceres return on the 30th

http://www.lalaziosiamonoi.it/news/paideia-lukaku-atteso-in-clinica-domani-le-visite-mediche-mentre-milinkovic-e-caceres-97256 (http://www.lalaziosiamonoi.it/news/paideia-lukaku-atteso-in-clinica-domani-le-visite-mediche-mentre-milinkovic-e-caceres-97256)
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 26, 2018, 05:19:45 PM
Apparently, it is mandatory for players in Serie A to be given 4 weeks off in the summer months, which means SMS was only eligible to come back to Lazio and work yesterday.

We were told last week that SMS was back Monday. I'm guessing that will be this Monday and not last Monday. The source is good... just the wrong Monday  :razz: And the media have since said he returns on Monday.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: phantomm1976 on July 26, 2018, 05:37:54 PM
 BAdelj is similiar to Biglia-better in defense...
 With another good CD and RB i think that we can easily switch a four men defense.
 Leiva-Badelj
Corea-SMS-LA
 Ciro
Parolo as a sub for Leiva-Badelj(both of them)- serious one
 :offlag:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: TracyJacks on July 26, 2018, 05:54:42 PM
Leiva\Badelj     Parolo\Murgia     Sergej\Berisha

Don't forget Lulic who I suspect will be playing in the midfield most of the time this season.

I am wondering if we've gotten to a place where we have the best midfield in the league.

What i think: Lucas/Badelj Parolo/Murgia Sergej/Lulic : Berisha/Durmisi
I would like to see Berisha as LM . Or try Lulic switch to right flank. His natural foot is right btw

Lulic Parolo Lucas (Badelj) Sergej Berisha
Alberto (Correa)
Immobile

My gawddddd


Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: drazvan on July 26, 2018, 06:28:26 PM
Marusic and Durmisi are starters on right/left. So there are 3+1 positions available.
We have Leiva and now Badelj for the defensive role, also Cataldi but I guess he will leave.
We have SMS and Beriaha for the muscles and attacking role in the 3.
And Parolo and Murgia for the hard worker box to box role. I guess Lulic can help here too.
And then LA and Correa for the role behind Immobile.

Great is you ask me.

The question is - this mercato was fantastic so far but is it good enough? Did we cover all problems? What i worry is the defense. I think Patric, Basta, Lukaku are good enough subs for the wings.

But is a defensive with Acerbi, Luiz Felipe, Wallace, Bastos and Radu strong enough for a CL place?

That will be the question of the season.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: phantomm1976 on July 26, 2018, 06:36:08 PM
 Wallace-Lus Felipe are not enough. I trust Bastos more than them-especially in 3 men defense.
 Radu-Very good for 90 % of the serie a matches-but not for matches vs Juve-Napoli-Merda for example.But definitely useful for the season.
 Lukaku-Marusic are weak for CL position.
 So far this is great mercato-just some fast offloading atleast for the end of the month.
 SMS- if he stay...this team could do miracles.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 26, 2018, 06:46:46 PM
Assuming we sign Correa and Badelj - and SMS and Caceres are part of our plans - we have problems.

That would leave us with 18 foreigners and we can only register 17, so a player in plain black font below has to be left out of either the Serie A and Europa League squad, or we'd have to choose two players and leave them out of one of the squads.

GK: Strakosha, Proto, Guerrieri, Adamonis, RCB: Caceres, Wallace, Patric, CB: Acerbi, Luiz Felipe, LCB: Radu, Bastos, Filippini, RWB: Marusic, Lombardi, Basta, RCM: Parolo, Murgia, Minala, (Jordao), CM: Leiva, Badelj, Di Gennaro, LCM: Milinkovic-Savic, Berisha, Cataldi, LWB: Lulic, Durmisi, Lukaku, AMC: Luis Alberto, Correa, Sprocati, Neto, ST: Immobile, Caicedo, Rossi

Inzaghi also has to omit another 5 players for Serie A and 6 for Europa League. He cannot exclude those in green, and can exclude (at most) 4 of the players in dark blue (as we require 4 homegrown players).

Which 5-6 players will be cut? Filippini and Sprocati seem likely, but we need 3-4 more. Cataldi? Di Gennaro? Minala? And who else?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 26, 2018, 06:49:25 PM
What i think: Lucas/Badelj Parolo/Murgia Sergej/Lulic : Berisha/Durmisi
I would like to see Berisha as LM . Or try Lulic switch to right flank. His natural foot is right btw

Berisha is rightfooted my friend, so putting Lulic on the right creates exactly thesame.
Plus Berisha is a mezzala, never been wingback or fullback in his life.

Lulic, Durmisi, Lukaku are at the moment the left flank.
Marusic, Basta, Lombardi the right.

At the moment ....
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 26, 2018, 06:55:59 PM
Assuming we sign Correa and Badelj - and SMS and Caceres are part of our plans - we have problems.

That would leave us with 18 foreigners and we can only register 17, so a player in plain black font below has to be left out of either the Serie A and Europa League squad, or we'd have to choose two players and leave them out of one of the squads.

GK: Strakosha, Proto, Guerrieri, Adamonis, RCB: Caceres, Wallace, Patric, CB: Acerbi, Luiz Felipe, LCB: Radu, Bastos, Filippini, RWB: Marusic, Lombardi, Basta, RCM: Parolo, Murgia, Minala, (Jordao), CM: Leiva, Badelj, Di Gennaro, LCM: Milinkovic-Savic, Berisha, Cataldi, LWB: Lulic, Durmisi, Lukaku, AMC: Luis Alberto, Correa, Sprocati, Neto, ST: Immobile, Caicedo, Rossi

Inzaghi also has to omit another 5 players for Serie A and 6 for Europa League. He cannot exclude those in green, and can exclude (at most) 4 of the players in dark blue (as we require 4 homegrown players).

Which 5-6 players will be cut? Filippini and Sprocati seem likely, but we need 3-4 more. Cataldi? Di Gennaro? Minala? And who else?

Nice work Cathal, appreciate the effort since this is thing always confusing me for some reason.  :roll_eyes:

Maybe the ongoing mercato might solve this problem nicely (Lukaku, Caicedo).  If we get Badelj (another midfielder), Di Gennaro, Cataldi & Minala imo are most certainly out.  I would opt to keep Sprocati to replace Nani, you never know.  If Alberto would have an injury it's all up to Correa then (if we get him of course).  If necessary i'd leave Patric out of Serie A and put him in the EL roster.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 26, 2018, 07:01:26 PM
Made a small edit as Rossi is technically U-21 by 3 days.

But of course, this means if we want to sign Wesley, then 2 foreign players have to be told they're out.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 26, 2018, 07:03:27 PM
It seems Lotito put in a few words in the microphone of sky sports.
Saying (and hereby practically confirming Correa & Badelj) they are signings to have a competitive roster.
And Milinkovic & Immobile are not for sale!

Guess that gives us the answers.  He also commented that he had no interest in Laxalt.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: TracyJacks on July 26, 2018, 07:18:31 PM
Assuming we sign Correa and Badelj - and SMS and Caceres are part of our plans - we have problems.

That would leave us with 18 foreigners and we can only register 17, so a player in plain black font below has to be left out of either the Serie A and Europa League squad, or we'd have to choose two players and leave them out of one of the squads.

GK: Strakosha, Proto, Guerrieri, Adamonis, RCB: Caceres, Wallace, Patric, CB: Acerbi, Luiz Felipe, LCB: Radu, Bastos, Filippini, RWB: Marusic, Lombardi, Basta, RCM: Parolo, Murgia, Minala, (Jordao), CM: Leiva, Badelj, Di Gennaro, LCM: Milinkovic-Savic, Berisha, Cataldi, LWB: Lulic, Durmisi, Lukaku, AMC: Luis Alberto, Correa, Sprocati, Neto, ST: Immobile, Caicedo, Rossi

Inzaghi also has to omit another 5 players for Serie A and 6 for Europa League. He cannot exclude those in green, and can exclude (at most) 4 of the players in dark blue (as we require 4 homegrown players).

Which 5-6 players will be cut? Filippini and Sprocati seem likely, but we need 3-4 more. Cataldi? Di Gennaro? Minala? And who else?

Ideally 25 players in squad:
My pick
GK: Strakosha, Proto, Guerrieri
RB/RWB/RM: Marusic, Lombardi
LB/LWB/LM: Lulic, Durmisi
CB: Acerbi, Radu, Ramos, Wallace, Bastos, Caceres
DM/CM: Sergej, Lucas, Parolo, Berisha, Badelj, Murgia,
AM/Winger: Alberto, Correa, Sprocati
CF: Immobile, Rossi, +vice Immobile

HG: Immobile, Parolo, Acerbi, Sprocati
Lazio HG: Strakosha, Guerrieri, Murgia, Rossi, Lombardi

4+4 right?

But, we need to offload our deadwood soon



Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: stefano_40 on July 26, 2018, 07:35:48 PM
Well. Napoli home week 1, Juve away week 2...

Let's hope we have everybody in and up to scratch by then. Rough opening round of fixtures.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Don on July 26, 2018, 08:26:47 PM
Well. Napoli home week 1, Juve away week 2...

Let's hope we have everybody in and up to scratch by then. Rough opening round of fixtures.

Well that also puts the hardest Games right behind us...
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Don on July 26, 2018, 08:29:19 PM
So Lukaku and Basta are still players to be potentially left out and leave the club???

Would be my idea to cut squad... Time is over for Basta and Lombardi can do the sub...

With a fit Lukaku we also could make proper money in PL... if there are any suitors...
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Rizmo on July 26, 2018, 08:32:27 PM
Maybe Romelu can buy Jordan with his own money to have him in Manchester? Time for Jordan to quit football anyway, no?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: phantomm1976 on July 26, 2018, 08:43:58 PM
Assuming we sign Correa and Badelj - and SMS and Caceres are part of our plans - we have problems.

That would leave us with 18 foreigners and we can only register 17, so a player in plain black font below has to be left out of either the Serie A and Europa League squad, or we'd have to choose two players and leave them out of one of the squads.

GK: Strakosha, Proto, Guerrieri, Adamonis, RCB: Caceres, Wallace, Patric, CB: Acerbi, Luiz Felipe, LCB: Radu, Bastos, Filippini, RWB: Marusic, Lombardi, Basta, RCM: Parolo, Murgia, Minala, (Jordao), CM: Leiva, Badelj, Di Gennaro, LCM: Milinkovic-Savic, Berisha, Cataldi, LWB: Lulic, Durmisi, Lukaku, AMC: Luis Alberto, Correa, Sprocati, Neto, ST: Immobile, Caicedo, Rossi

Inzaghi also has to omit another 5 players for Serie A and 6 for Europa League. He cannot exclude those in green, and can exclude (at most) 4 of the players in dark blue (as we require 4 homegrown players).

Which 5-6 players will be cut? Filippini and Sprocati seem likely, but we need 3-4 more. Cataldi? Di Gennaro? Minala? And who else?

Ideally 25 players in squad:
My pick
GK: Strakosha, Proto, Guerrieri
RB/RWB/RM: Marusic, Lombardi
LB/LWB/LM: Lulic, Durmisi
CB: Acerbi, Radu, Ramos, Wallace, Bastos, Caceres
DM/CM: Sergej, Lucas, Parolo, Berisha, Badelj, Murgia,
AM/Winger: Alberto, Correa, Sprocati
CF: Immobile, Rossi, +vice Immobile

HG: Immobile, Parolo, Acerbi, Sprocati
Lazio HG: Strakosha, Guerrieri, Murgia, Rossi, Lombardi

4+4 right?

But, we need to offload our deadwood soon

 DM/AM-Ipresive
RB- WEAK
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Rizmo on July 26, 2018, 08:53:57 PM
We've signed Luan Capanni, a midfield talent from Flamengo, for the Primavera. Looks promising.

Luan Capanni - Midfielder - Flamengo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWZM7ZrDMQY#)

Some exciting players in the Primavera this year. Also Joaquin from River Plate joining. We want an immediate promotion by the looks of it.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: campiador on July 26, 2018, 09:08:23 PM
They would need to pay such amount of money that allows Lotito to make example from it.

Doubt they will pay, doubt Lotito will step down for one cent.

I remember a few years ago I hated LoTare so much. Now I respect them.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Skenderbeu on July 26, 2018, 09:10:05 PM
We've signed Luan Capanni, a midfield talent from Flamengo, for the Primavera. Looks promising.

Luan Capanni - Midfielder - Flamengo ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWZM7ZrDMQY#[/url])

Some exciting players in the Primavera this year. Also Joaquin from River Plate joining. We want an immediate promotion by the looks of it.


Looking forward for Luan.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Rizmo on July 26, 2018, 10:21:25 PM
Correa not in the Sevilla squad tonight in the Europa League.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 26, 2018, 10:55:03 PM
Correa not in the Sevilla squad tonight in the Europa League.

Well given he's signed for Lazio, I'd hope not  :whistle:

Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 26, 2018, 11:26:14 PM
Correa not in the Sevilla squad tonight in the Europa League.

His coach said this morning who's not focussed on Sevilla will not play.  Obviously.
I didn't read like he was happy with him leaving.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Rizmo on July 26, 2018, 11:29:48 PM
Correa not in the Sevilla squad tonight in the Europa League.

Well given he's signed for Lazio, I'd hope not  :whistle:

Nothing official. Just if anyone needed more proof  :beer:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 27, 2018, 08:56:29 AM
Talk of a contract renewal for Lukaku being on the horizon. We really need to trim this squad down and if we're keeping players like Lukaku around after all, what gives?

We currently have 21 foreigners in this squad - for Europe, we're only allowed 17. So four of the players (below) won't be able to play for Lazio in Europe. If we buy Wesley, it becomes 5. If we buy another foreigner, it becomes 6. And so on.

Proto, Caceres, Wallace, Patric, Luiz Felipe, Radu, Bastos, Marusic, Basta, Jordao, Leiva, Badelj, Milinkovic-Savic, Berisha, Lulic, Durmisi, Lukaku, Luis Alberto, Correa, Neto, Caicedo.

I'd say we can rule out Jordao and Neto. But if we're keeping Lukaku and Patric around, we're probably looking at freezing Basta out and selling a centre-back...

Yet the media keep talking about Lazio signing foreigners. That's not the story anymore.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Stefano6 on July 27, 2018, 08:59:30 AM
As you say, Neto and Jordao are unlikely to see the pitch.. I expected Lukaku to be sold so its odd that he seems to be getting a new contract, perhaps then its Basta that will go.

I hope they sell Bastos. I think Caicedo will go and Rossi will be the backup striker. I still think SMS will be sold before the end of the window. I dont think we will sign Wesley.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Don on July 27, 2018, 09:13:14 AM
Neto and Jordao need loans with the starters clause to Serie B or to an relegation battler...
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 27, 2018, 09:23:20 AM
Neto and Jordao need loans with the starters clause to Serie B or to an relegation battler...

But it's not possible, since they are at Lazio on loan.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: ChristerLazio on July 27, 2018, 09:31:09 AM
Talk of a contract renewal for Lukaku being on the horizon. We really need to trim this squad down and if we're keeping players like Lukaku around after all, what gives?

We currently have 21 foreigners in this squad - for Europe, we're only allowed 17. So four of the players (below) won't be able to play for Lazio in Europe. If we buy Wesley, it becomes 5. If we buy another foreigner, it becomes 6. And so on.

Proto, Caceres, Wallace, Patric, Luiz Felipe, Radu, Bastos, Marusic, Basta, Jordao, Leiva, Badelj, Milinkovic-Savic, Berisha, Lulic, Durmisi, Lukaku, Luis Alberto, Correa, Neto, Caicedo.

I'd say we can rule out Jordao and Neto. But if we're keeping Lukaku and Patric around, we're probably looking at freezing Basta out and selling a centre-back...

Yet the media keep talking about Lazio signing foreigners. That's not the story anymore.

I read that Correa is carrying an Italian passport, does that effect his status as a foreigner?
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 27, 2018, 09:40:31 AM
I read that Correa is carrying an Italian passport, does that effect his status as a foreigner?

No, he needed to have spent a few years in Italy before the age of 21. He was in Italy, but didn't spend enough time here.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Ghost of Felipe Anderson on July 27, 2018, 09:42:50 AM
Neto and Jordao need loans with the starters clause to Serie B or to an relegation battler...
I think they are still officially on loan from Braga until end of the season. After the season we have the obligation to buy both. Then we can send them out on loan to gauge their development. Nonetheless, the Neto/Jordao saga has been really fishy business that shouldn't be repeated again.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Nass on July 27, 2018, 09:52:30 AM
I read that Correa is carrying an Italian passport, does that effect his status as a foreigner?

No, he needed to have spent a few years in Italy before the age of 21. He was in Italy, but didn't spend enough time here.

Luiz Felipe though has Italian passport and have spent a few years in Italy before the age of 21, shouldn't he be able to register as Italian? Proto is of Italian origin and should be registered as such by the "grandfather"-law even if his parents emigrated to Belgium, no?
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 27, 2018, 10:03:18 AM
Luiz Felipe though has Italian passport and have spent a few years in Italy before the age of 21, shouldn't he be able to register as Italian? Proto is of Italian origin and should be registered as such by the "grandfather"-law even if his parents emigrated to Belgium, no?

No, passport is irrelevant.

You are what UEFA calls a 'locally-trained player' if you've spent 36 months between the ages of 15 or 21 in a particular country. In our case, neither Luiz Felipe or Proto or Correa have spent 36 months in Italy between those ages, so they are not 'locally-trained'. I'm calling them foreigners - UEFA doesn't have a name for them.

In Italy, any player under-21 (born in 1997 or later) does not require registration. That rule doesn't apply in Europe.

If I understand correctly, Luiz Felipe would be eligible for the Europa League 'B List' - essentially not requiring to be registered in the 25-man squad - had he not gone on loan to Salernitana. I am 95% certain his season in Salerno forces us to register him in our squad.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: campiador on July 27, 2018, 11:24:37 AM
We still need to address our biggest weaknesses from last year. RCB and RWB.

While I am happy with what has happened to midfield and forward lines, our defense is still the same as last year. Marusic and Wallace should not start in a team that aims CL.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 27, 2018, 11:50:13 AM
Casasola is 22 (Salerninata) and has been in Italy 3, 4y with Italian passport. 
Just mentioning that ...  :twinkle:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 27, 2018, 11:52:19 AM
We still need to address our biggest weaknesses from last year. RCB and RWB.

I think almost everyone would agree that in an ideal world, a new right centre-back, right wing-back and back-up for Ciro would be welcome. I actually think almost everyone here would agree that signing three more players would put us in a good position.

But that requires sales, and what Inzaghi and Tare have to think about - in my opinion - is the dressing room.

We've signed 7 players and we could keep going and end up with 9 or 10, but the more players we sign, the more unlikely we are to keep a hold of some of the values that have brought us so close to Champions League football.

Maybe Milan was a bad example yesterday as they are a more chaotic organisation than ourselves, but I truly believe that while we look stronger on paper, there are other variables that could lead us down the table.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 27, 2018, 12:17:52 PM
We still need to address our biggest weaknesses from last year. RCB and RWB.

I think almost everyone would agree that in an ideal world, a new right centre-back, right wing-back and back-up for Ciro would be welcome. I actually think almost everyone here would agree that signing three more players would put us in a good position.

But that requires sales, and what Inzaghi and Tare have to think about - in my opinion - is the dressing room.

We've signed 7 players and we could keep going and end up with 9 or 10, but the more players we sign, the more unlikely we are to keep a hold of some of the values that have brought us so close to Champions League football.

Maybe Milan was a bad example yesterday as they are a more chaotic organisation than ourselves, but I truly believe that while we look stronger on paper, there are other variables that could lead us down the table.

Sure thing.  But since both Lulic and Parolo made remarks on expecting reinforcements this would not unexpected and even make them feel reassured. 

Di Gennaro didn't play Serie A.  Minala and Cataldi weren't part of the group last season.  And surely Neto and Jordao are not expected.  Basta might be fully expected to move on as well.

The core of the group will be thesame, it shouldn't be a problem.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Silindeee on July 27, 2018, 12:21:45 PM
If we havent signed an RWB already it means that Inzaghi has faith in Maurusic and doesnt want a new player. Thats what it looks to me. Maybe if basta leaves lombardi will be there to cover.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 27, 2018, 12:30:59 PM

Sure thing.  But since both Lulic and Parolo made remarks on expecting reinforcements this would not unexpected and even make them feel reassured. 

Di Gennaro didn't play Serie A.  Minala and Cataldi weren't part of the group last season.  And surely Neto and Jordao are not expected.  Basta might be fully expected to move on as well.

The core of the group will be thesame, it shouldn't be a problem.

The core of the group has never changed under Lotito, yet we've had problems in the past.

Players like Durmisi, Berisha, Proto, Correa and Badelj haven't come here to sit quietly on the bench and take home their nice pay packets. Inevitably, some players are going to play less than they wanted next season.

What Lulic actually said, I agree with - new signings bring new motivation and when you strengthen the team, the potential is there to be better, but there's no guarantee that it works. He used Milan as the example of a team which clearly strengthened last year but just didn't function properly.

That could happen to Lazio next season or any season, with any group of players. Not to be negative, but I think once you start making 9 or 10 changes to a squad performing above their means, the chances of things going wrong are higher than if you did nothing in the first place.

Of course, what we all hope for is that it clicks and we end up going up the table. And I expected this mercato and wanted it.

But I'm just saying, if we sign another 2-3 players who could feature prominently, this isn't the same Lazio as last season in any way, shape or from.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Ed on July 27, 2018, 01:12:42 PM
Realistically we should sell Lukaku, Caicedo and Bastos and should never have bought Sprocati. That would free up room for another CB and the forward (hopefully not Perez) we need.

These two latest signings, if they are finalised, don't bring in starting eleven players, they bring a reserve for Lucas and a reserve for Luis Alberto. Infact most of our signings, aside from Acerbi, look mainly to have improved numbers for the Europa League and give a bit of respite to the first choice players. Some might become starters based on performance or injuries but they aren't walking in to the best starting eleven at the expense of the current players. Seven, eight, nine new players might be a little jolt to the dynamics of the squad and take a while to integrate but I can't see problems with harmony and performance unless most of them were going straight into the team, which surely they aren't.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Ghost of Felipe Anderson on July 27, 2018, 01:26:38 PM
If we havent signed an RWB already it means that Inzaghi has faith in Maurusic and doesnt want a new player. Thats what it looks to me. Maybe if basta leaves lombardi will be there to cover.
Or maybe we just haven't been able to agree with our RWB targets or their clubs. Maybe negotiations are still ongoing or we are moving on to new targets.

Everybody wants the squad in place as soon as possible, but in reality so many deals are done in the last minute every year.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 27, 2018, 01:34:22 PM
It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to spend the entire pre-season working on defensive tactics and then buying new defenders afterwards.

I think we're virtually done in this transfer window. If Caicedo leaves, Wesley comes in and that's us finished in my opinion.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 27, 2018, 02:11:57 PM
There's some news popping up about Sporting Lisboa having offered a very lucrative contract to Badelj. Will be interesting to see if we actually get him or not.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: drazvan on July 27, 2018, 02:22:51 PM
It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to spend the entire pre-season working on defensive tactics and then buying new defenders afterwards.

I think we're virtually done in this transfer window. If Caicedo leaves, Wesley comes in and that's us finished in my opinion.

I agree, inzaghi must be satisfied with the mercato. I actually think that even if SMS leaves we wont get anybody. It was a good mercato by our standards and things were done on time - just as inzaghi wanted. I suspect tare told him to nominate 3-4 players that can be sold/sent away. I think caicedo and basta top that list...
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Caput Mundi on July 27, 2018, 02:35:02 PM
There's some news popping up about Sporting Lisboa having offered a very lucrative contract to Badelj. Will be interesting to see if we actually get him or not.

Badelj, or anyone really, would have to be an idiot to sign for Sporting after the few months they've had.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 27, 2018, 02:47:36 PM
I agree, inzaghi must be satisfied with the mercato. I actually think that even if SMS leaves we wont get anybody. It was a good mercato by our standards and things were done on time - just as inzaghi wanted. I suspect tare told him to nominate 3-4 players that can be sold/sent away. I think caicedo and basta top that list...

I pretty much agree.

I understand that Bastos and Marusic, for example, have been unconvincing but you could sign Thiago Silva and Joshua Kimmich and without a pre-season to familiarise themselves with Inzaghi's tactics, they could be all at sea.

There's no pressure on Correa and Badelj to start and both know calcio already, so as much as it's not ideal that they're coming in having missed a couple of weeks, it's ok to bring them in at this stage.

I wouldn't be worried if we signed a couple of players in mid-August because guys the like of Luiz Felipe show you can jump into Inzaghi's team and perform, but Luis Alberto and maybe even SMS, Leiva etc. needed time.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Sile on July 27, 2018, 02:49:55 PM
Wait what's Badelj's situation?
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 27, 2018, 02:56:43 PM
Wait what's Badelj's situation?

He chose Lazio over an offer from Sporting as I understand it. Apparently, Sporting tried to talk him out of signing for Lazio yesterday evening but he'd already made up his mind that he was signing for Lazio.

Latest I read is that he's due in Rome in a matter of hours. I don't think there's anything to worry about.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Ghost of Felipe Anderson on July 27, 2018, 03:05:55 PM
It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to spend the entire pre-season working on defensive tactics and then buying new defenders afterwards.

I think we're virtually done in this transfer window. If Caicedo leaves, Wesley comes in and that's us finished in my opinion.
For RCB I agree. We basically have 4 or 5 competitors for RCB, given that Acerbi and Radu are set. Can't see us going after another CB. Let's hope either Wallace or Luis Felipe step up.

But RWB I could imagine us signing an upgrade or at least a solid competitor for Marusic. Our defensive training always includes 3 man defense without wingbacks, so defensive tactics aren't high priority for Inzaghi's "quintos". Kind of strange to me since wingbacks are often involved in defending. Definitely Inzaghi needs to work on the setup of his "quintos", as Lulic already pointed out he had difficulty finding the right mix.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Stefano6 on July 27, 2018, 03:09:46 PM
Badelj would be insane to sign for Sporting, sure they may offer a higher wage, but all the turmoil the club is in behind the scenes at the minute, if I was a player I would never go there.

Plus the Portguese league is undoubtably weaker. Plus if he comes here he has to move 90 minutes away, not to another country!
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 27, 2018, 03:36:39 PM
Marco Ercole at La Repubblica trying to make sense of the squad registration issue. He thinks Lukaku could renew and then go out on loan, and thinks Cataldi could stay meaning Lombardi will go.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Agent Orange on July 27, 2018, 03:37:46 PM
Badelj is a great signing if we get him, i was impressed by him last season, specielly when we played agianst them, he was everywhere on the midfield!! If Correa and Badelj joins i will be very happy!  :sciarpa05: :sciarpa05:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Silindeee on July 27, 2018, 03:54:03 PM
Whats the reason keeping cataldi ? Our mid is really packed now. Lombardi can offer something atleast  if maurusic/basta get injured.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: drazvan on July 27, 2018, 04:12:46 PM
Whats the reason keeping cataldi ? Our mid is really packed now. Lombardi can offer something atleast  if maurusic/basta get injured.

Cataldi is italian and home grown. So we can register him.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 27, 2018, 04:18:21 PM
Whats the reason keeping cataldi ? Our mid is really packed now. Lombardi can offer something atleast  if maurusic/basta get injured.

Cataldi is italian and home grown. So we can register him.

Same for Lombardi though, and going to be difficult to find a way to register both.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 27, 2018, 04:25:54 PM
Technically, three more signings lined up according to reports.

Lazio are to sign Djavan Anderson and Alessandro Micai, who are both free agents after Bari's bankruptcy, and will go to Salernitana on loan. Also signing 18 year-old attacker André Anderson from Santos, also to go to Salernitana next season it seems.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Giolazio on July 27, 2018, 04:27:59 PM
Technically, three more signings lined up according to reports.

Lazio are to sign Djavan Anderson and Alessandro Micai, who are both free agents after Bari's bankruptcy, and will go to Salernitana on loan. Also signing 18 year-old attacker André Anderson from Santos, also to go to Salernitana next season it seems.

The club must have pre-ordered too many Anderson shirts for next season... :whistle:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 27, 2018, 04:32:48 PM
The club must have pre-ordered too many Anderson shirts for next season... :whistle:

It's hilarious. I can imagine Lotito only wanting to sign Anderson's, or Tare working through a database of players and being constantly stuck on 'Anderson' because he's that slow about it.

You lose one Anderson, and bring two? Come on...  :razz:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 27, 2018, 04:36:58 PM
If only we had done the same when we sent that Ronaldo guy to Salerno..
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: ilsemprelaziale on July 27, 2018, 04:41:03 PM
New name popping up...Benedikt Howedes

Big no thank you from me.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Giolazio on July 27, 2018, 04:46:08 PM
The club must have pre-ordered too many Anderson shirts for next season... :whistle:

It's hilarious. I can imagine Lotito only wanting to sign Anderson's, or Tare working through a database of players and being constantly stuck on 'Anderson' because he's that slow about it.

You lose one Anderson, and bring two? Come on...  :razz:

He probably thinks they're all related too  :supsmile:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: blue_sky on July 27, 2018, 05:14:27 PM
Just to remind you that mostly didn't believe here that we will get Badelj as I stated a few weeks ago.
And somehow I also put in highlight that SMS could go when Hazard go or Ciro can go when Kane go or not.
Madrid is in unemployment for cf.
That's Domino in football nowadays
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Don on July 27, 2018, 05:15:50 PM
New name popping up...Benedikt Howedes

Big no thank you from me.
Well to me a big yes if we then get rid of Bastos...

Depends on the economics... we could again revive a great players career on the cheap
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 27, 2018, 05:25:11 PM
Technically, three more signings lined up according to reports.

Lazio are to sign Djavan Anderson and Alessandro Micai, who are both free agents after Bari's bankruptcy, and will go to Salernitana on loan. Also signing 18 year-old attacker André Anderson from Santos, also to go to Salernitana next season it seems.

I veto.  I can only allow that if the first uses the name Djavan and the other André. 
I have a small mental illness that doesn't allow thesame names in thesame lineup.   :whistle:
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 27, 2018, 05:28:11 PM
Just to remind you that mostly didn't believe here that we will get Badelj as I stated a few weeks ago.

I don't think anyone said Badelj can't happen - I think one or two of us said Leiva being here made it unlikely as he probably wouldn't fancy being Leiva's sub.

And he didn't seem to because the reports are he was signing for Milan until Milan sacked Mirabelli. We're his second choice. His next best option is a club where you risk being beaten up by the fans.

I have a small mental illness that doesn't allow thesame names in thesame lineup.   :whistle:

I've those issues too, perhaps worse. Was convinced Kishna was going to flop because his name was Kishna. It's extreme.
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Sile on July 27, 2018, 05:37:58 PM
Badelj is solid and dependable, maybe not too talented or magical but gets the job done. He was also short-term Fiorentina captain after the tragic captain of Astori, and he was also a member of the silver WC team.
Still, I kind of expected more.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 27, 2018, 05:39:59 PM

I have a small mental illness that doesn't allow thesame names in thesame lineup.   :whistle:

I've those issues too, perhaps worse. Was convinced Kishna was going to flop because his name was Kishna. It's extreme.

Same here, and yet the feeling was correct wasn't it.  :twinkle:
It's far fetched but sometimes there's a feel about those things ....
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Agent Orange on July 27, 2018, 05:48:35 PM
I read that Milan also has their target on Badelj..
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: blue_sky on July 27, 2018, 05:49:55 PM
Just to remind you that mostly didn't believe here that we will get Badelj as I stated a few weeks ago.

I don't think anyone said Badelj can't happen - I think one or two of us said Leiva being here made it unlikely as he probably wouldn't fancy being Leiva's sub.

What's the difference ? It's vise versa. Anyway it was Tare said that we didn't fancy with Badelj as Leiva is here. And now look what Tare did? I suspect that either we will selling our hot properties like SMS or Ciro with certain high number or we try to aim more higher than ucl. Scudetto maybe :whistle:
Just to remind you that mostly didn't believe here that we will get Badelj as I stated a few weeks ago.

And he didn't seem to because the reports are he was signing for Milan until Milan sacked Mirabelli. We're his second choice. His next best option is a club where you risk being beaten up by the fans.

So what? If Milan want him and he wants Milan, that would be much time as we know he is free transfer and Mirabelli is long enough to do so. Imo, it's Milan who is not necessary needing him as many midfielder in Milan and that transfer is never happened
Title: Re: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Jiwa on July 27, 2018, 05:55:50 PM
There’s no need to sign both Badelj and Correa, consider Inzaghi rate Minala pretty good. And i dont think is good for Murgia either.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 27, 2018, 05:58:08 PM
I read that Milan also has their target on Badelj..

It seems the way to get Badelj is to offer him a 4y deal, wich Lazio appeared to have done.
It's said he his agent talked with Lyon & Sporting, neither one willing to go above 3y.

There’s no need to sign both Badelj and Correa, consider Inzaghi rate Minala pretty good. And i dont think is good for Murgia either.

It's a smart move as Leiva is the only real DM equipped for that task.  So is Badelj, made for that position.  Ideal would be a younger talent, but with Badelj one does not have to worry much when without Leiva.
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Evesto on July 27, 2018, 06:02:15 PM
A rumour via the Corriere in Belgium that Club Brugge would have received a official bid for Wesley Moraes today.  No numbers revealed.

A pressure tactic against Tare or not, that remains to be seen ...
Title: Re: Transfers and Rumours (2018-2019)
Post by: Cathal on July 27, 2018, 06:06:43 PM
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